My grandfather Kinnie Ostewig b.1877 wrote a book about Potowotami Chief Shabonna. Covers the Blackhawk war period. Never ever published and hope to get it published someday. Very interesting book.
I know is this video is 4 years old but I learned much about the Blackhawk war here. I grew up in Southern Wisconsin but never really learned the truth or details of the war. The schools only focus on the last battle and how white people miss treated the natives. It's amazing how the white man has honored a people they warred with by placing divers monuments and naming different things after a defeated foe.
its ironic how the woke crowd complain that mistreatment of blacks and natives is never taught in school but even in the 90s I remember my teachers ONLY talking about the nazis and slavery and the trail of tears, to the point where i dont remember any of the details of what happened other than the mistreatment.
Abraham came to the aid of Shabonna when a fellow soldier was harassing Shabonna during a visit to see John Dixon at Dixon's Ferry. Shabonna and Lincoln became friends. Shabonna was given a gold ring by Lincoln and was buried wearing that ring. He died before Lincoln became President.
Funny how many cities and counties in Iowa and Wisconsin are named after the military and government figures who later had a role in Iowa history. Like Decorah, Waukon, etc.....I always figured were native American names, that part of the state of Iowa has a lot of history.
So there were more than one Indian Creek massacre or does someone have a date wrong? There was also one in 1864, in Illinois, as well according to a monument dedication here on CZcams which is 30 some years after the Blackhawk war. Blackhawk was my grandma's great-grandpa. It really bothers me about the whoa's me attitudes of some tribes. One tribe in particular is the Dakota, when great-grandpa and his tribe were running from the Army they came up on a river they dove into to swim to the other side to only start getting clubbed and killed by the Dakotas when they could have helped them, but didnt, yet they act like they cannot go on with life because of the white man. I almost would not have been here because of them. My point is we Americans have all had a rough way to go and this alone should unite us. I am so sick of the blame game which is circular, not linear. Although I am a direct descendant Black Hawk.I feel real compassion for the families killed on both sides.
@The Blackhawk War, just wondering if you ever did a video specifically on Stillman's Battle. It's mentioned in this video. Thank you again for this content!
@@TheBlackhawkWar I am writing a small paper on Black Hawk's leadership qualities, especially related to his management of conflict/battle. Do you know if Black Hawk directed much of the fighting at Stillman (or elsewhere) or did he have lower ranking leaders on the battlefield? I know he was in his mid-60s at this time...
You should check out his autobiography. Its generally considered to be authentic, but read it with caution. He dictated his story after he was defeated. Many of his own people blamed him for poor leadership which led to the deaths of hundreds of men, women, and children. He was clearly trying to clear his name of some blame. Black Hawk fluctuates between claiming responsibility and leadership, and downplaying his role, pointing out that he was not a chief. He was supposedly on top of a hill directing the Battle of Wisconsin Heights, but he only seems to account for his Sauk-Fox band and ignores Kickapoo participation, leadership, casualties, etc. My hunch is that there may have been more than the 40 or so warriors he claims to have at Stillman's Run. Stillman would later claim that there were many hundreds of Native American soldiers...granted he too had an agenda and was running for political office. Check out Jung's The Black Hawk War, Trasks, bio on Black Hawk, and Hall's Uncommon Defense for starters too.
Blackhawk was supposedly captured near the farm I grew up on in rural Jones County, Iowa. There are native graves along the Maquoketa River from the 'war' at Indian Bluffs. Anyone know if there is truth to this statement?
I am from dixon, IL. Not far from oregon, IL where the black hawk monument is there. I heard another live video of him in ark. was so in tune with the earth & was a healer & into peace. Just a few yrs ago I found out my gr. grandmother was full blooded cherokee, & like black hawk said were taken to oklahoma. Just now my father said last night want to do more ancestory since most of our heritage was lost in oklahoma, I never even knew black hawk was cherokee & my grand father looked just like him & more full blooded than full blooded I have met. I dont think the white man should be proud of how they tricked the native americans, & started war with them 1st. They came over here & took over & deceived the Native Americans, from the beginning. Thank god the blood still lives in my father, me & my daughter, we all have the special abilities that a lot of native americans have, being in tune with the earth, plants, animals. I do believe in god though since I remember before i was incarnated in this life, getting to chose to be against the corrupt leadership & environmental poisons. Funny not knowing my story my daughter at age 4 told me she was in the hall of records with god, she said it is where you see everyone & know their souls instantly, & chose me as her mom. We both have a lot of the same memories too. I know many native americans that do believe in god, but also are still healers & this lives in me & my daughter as well. thank you for all the information of where i am from & have lived in many of these places.
@@TheBlackhawkWar there is a live interview with him, yes he was a cherokee shaman, the women were sent to oklahoma. check out the video. a conversation with cherokee shaman blackhawk. I think I know my own heritage. you are going by books not a live interview. Plus i am from that area. My gr. grandmother was married to my gr. grandfather, her twin sister was also married to his brother. They went down to oklahoma & wanted to keep them together.
If there was a Cherokee of that name, it has nothing to do with this video or channel. This Black Hawk was a Sauk and he died long before there was a possibility of a video interview. You apparently don't know what you think you do.
Throughout history lands change hands. Organized people take advantage of disorganized people. Its the way it goes. Its sad that native history is all but forgotten. Tribes to busy fighting and squabbling with eachother to get organized. And unite. They had hudreds of years to do it. no written language. No standard of education. To this day crying about their lands being stolen. White man this white man that. Well natives couldn't unite, couldn't progresss...so they got walked all over. Certainly not the white man's fault.
This series is strongly from the colonial perspective. Which is warped, suggesting we were breaking treaties that were never respected by the Americans. That commanders were 'forced' to take up conflict when peaceful resolutions couldn't be met, disregarding that there was never much negotiation. It was the American way or die, with little respect for our lives.
oh really ! scalping come from the Dutch?! FAKE NEWS. Suck it and see the Crow Creek Massacre occurred around the mid 1300s AD "Men, women, and children were scalped; the only difference was that younger children were cut higher on the skull than other groups."
The Dutch later became.a "native" tribe . remember Europeans were notorious for dressing as the indigenous and committing crimes (ie Boston tea party )
ball Shaman: I do not understand you ! What do you mean? you suggest that whites dresed as native around 1300s AD and committed the Crow Creek Massacre?! Native american committed many crimes, massacres before the white people arrived. Native americans extermined other nativs americans.
@ji jindeski kanakua. Scalping leaves cut and knick marks in the skull, it is very evident. Yes, hair is sacred, but not to ones enemy. Most tribes mutilated the enemy after death because it was believed their enemies could not hurt anyone in the afterlife. Take care
Did you say these settlers are defending themselves lmao.. they invaded native land, forced thousands if not millions of tribes and civilizations build off their homes and now that the tribes have come back to claim their ancestors land they are the aggressors according to you... That's laughable.. and forested areas not deforested or changed is not land not in use, it's sacred land.. animals depend on that land, herbs, vegetation, plants, etc.. and humans depend on all those species existing in order to assist all life .. you have a strange way of viewing life and who's the aggressors
The White men speak with forked tongues . These White thieves of European ancestry are a history of no good muthafuckees . I spit on the White devils .
I liked the part where you just broadcasted one side of the story and made Natives out to be savages without the context of anything. Like how the conflict cost 70 Americans but the slaughter of over 400 natives. Let's also address the forceful theft of native land by greedy Americans under the guise of Manifest Destiny. But please tell me more about how offended and angered the white man was when they tried to steal shit and someone pushed back....
No mention of the slaughter of the women and children of Blackhawks band, estimated at between 300 to 600 people. Near Prairie du Chien. This is an incomplete and misleading video that white washed the reality.
Considering this video covered only covers May 1832 and the massacre you refer to happened in August 1832, your accusation is unfounded. I'm sorry you only want to focus on the end and none of the details. If you want shallow history, look elsewhere.
BTW, Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis were both stationed at Dixon's Ferry at the same time. Not too many people know that
Lincoln didn’t see action but did battle the black flies.
This is such a good series. Thank you for putting together such excellent segments about this conflict.
My grandfather Kinnie Ostewig b.1877 wrote a book about Potowotami Chief Shabonna. Covers the Blackhawk war period. Never ever published and hope to get it published someday. Very interesting book.
Ima publisher hit me up
I hope your grandfather's manuscript enables us discovery of the virtues of the native people and the evils of the White man .
I’d like to be the owner of this book. Does it have a price?
I know is this video is 4 years old but I learned much about the Blackhawk war here. I grew up in Southern Wisconsin but never really learned the truth or details of the war. The schools only focus on the last battle and how white people miss treated the natives.
It's amazing how the white man has honored a people they warred with by placing divers monuments and naming different things after a defeated foe.
its ironic how the woke crowd complain that mistreatment of blacks and natives is never taught in school but even in the 90s I remember my teachers ONLY talking about the nazis and slavery and the trail of tears, to the point where i dont remember any of the details of what happened other than the mistreatment.
Abe Lincoln saw no combat but served during this event. He complained about the black flies and their constant biting.
stumbled upon this looking for sufjan stevens. good video, i must say.
Great video. Thanks!
well done pard *LIKED* and *SUBSCRIBED*
Abraham came to the aid of Shabonna when a fellow soldier was harassing Shabonna during a visit to see John Dixon at Dixon's Ferry. Shabonna and Lincoln became friends. Shabonna was given a gold ring by Lincoln and was buried wearing that ring. He died before Lincoln became President.
Funny how many cities and counties in Iowa and Wisconsin are named after the military and government figures who later had a role in Iowa history. Like Decorah, Waukon, etc.....I always figured were native American names, that part of the state of Iowa has a lot of history.
Right, We grow up with these names everywhere not knowing they're true history.
So there were more than one Indian Creek massacre or does someone have a date wrong? There was also one in 1864, in Illinois, as well according to a monument dedication here on CZcams which is 30 some years after the Blackhawk war.
Blackhawk was my grandma's great-grandpa. It really bothers me about the whoa's me attitudes of some tribes. One tribe in particular is the Dakota, when great-grandpa and his tribe were running from the Army they came up on a river they dove into to swim to the other side to only start getting clubbed and killed by the Dakotas when they could have helped them, but didnt, yet they act like they cannot go on with life because of the white man. I almost would not have been here because of them.
My point is we Americans have all had a rough way to go and this alone should unite us. I am so sick of the blame game which is circular, not linear. Although I am a direct descendant Black Hawk.I feel real compassion for the families killed on both sides.
"the black hawk war was the last native american war east of the missisipi"
-sad seminole noises-
They didn't like being called the Winnebago, their real name is the Hoocągra, or Ho-Chunk.
This whole series is racist and from a colonial perspective. Do not waste your time on it.
@@christopherlebel1241 boohoo
Blackhawk was 66 years old I believe during the war of 1832 despite all the artwork of him as a young warrior.
@The Blackhawk War, just wondering if you ever did a video specifically on Stillman's Battle. It's mentioned in this video. Thank you again for this content!
You're welcome! I have the notes ready, but not the complete project. What are you most interested in?
@@TheBlackhawkWar I am writing a small paper on Black Hawk's leadership qualities, especially related to his management of conflict/battle. Do you know if Black Hawk directed much of the fighting at Stillman (or elsewhere) or did he have lower ranking leaders on the battlefield? I know he was in his mid-60s at this time...
You should check out his autobiography. Its generally considered to be authentic, but read it with caution. He dictated his story after he was defeated. Many of his own people blamed him for poor leadership which led to the deaths of hundreds of men, women, and children. He was clearly trying to clear his name of some blame. Black Hawk fluctuates between claiming responsibility and leadership, and downplaying his role, pointing out that he was not a chief.
He was supposedly on top of a hill directing the Battle of Wisconsin Heights, but he only seems to account for his Sauk-Fox band and ignores Kickapoo participation, leadership, casualties, etc. My hunch is that there may have been more than the 40 or so warriors he claims to have at Stillman's Run. Stillman would later claim that there were many hundreds of Native American soldiers...granted he too had an agenda and was running for political office.
Check out Jung's The Black Hawk War, Trasks, bio on Black Hawk, and Hall's Uncommon Defense for starters too.
@@TheBlackhawkWar Thanks so much for this perspective. I am just starting into Jung's book and I am perusing Black Hawk's autobiography.
Stillman was not running for any political office
To Rep King of Iowa you are swimming in swamps of instigation and trouble
Blackhawk was supposedly captured near the farm I grew up on in rural Jones County, Iowa. There are native graves along the Maquoketa River from the 'war' at Indian Bluffs. Anyone know if there is truth to this statement?
Blackhawk and his band had nothing to do with The Indian Creek Massacre. Indian Creek is in present day Earlville, not Ottawa.
As the title of this video clearly indicates, this video is about May 1832, not the entire war.
Does not excuse your clearly colonial perspective and one sided documentation.
@@christopherlebel1241cope
White Side, like the county. Not Whitside.
Now that's freaky. Governor Reynolds. Our current is Governor Reynolds but female. She's not very good.
I am from dixon, IL. Not far from oregon, IL where the black hawk monument is there. I heard another live video of him in ark. was so in tune with the earth & was a healer & into peace. Just a few yrs ago I found out my gr. grandmother was full blooded cherokee, & like black hawk said were taken to oklahoma. Just now my father said last night want to do more ancestory since most of our heritage was lost in oklahoma, I never even knew black hawk was cherokee & my grand father looked just like him & more full blooded than full blooded I have met. I dont think the white man should be proud of how they tricked the native americans, & started war with them 1st. They came over here & took over & deceived the Native Americans, from the beginning. Thank god the blood still lives in my father, me & my daughter, we all have the special abilities that a lot of native americans have, being in tune with the earth, plants, animals. I do believe in god though since I remember before i was incarnated in this life, getting to chose to be against the corrupt leadership & environmental poisons. Funny not knowing my story my daughter at age 4 told me she was in the hall of records with god, she said it is where you see everyone & know their souls instantly, & chose me as her mom. We both have a lot of the same memories too. I know many native americans that do believe in god, but also are still healers & this lives in me & my daughter as well. thank you for all the information of where i am from & have lived in many of these places.
Black Hawk wasn't Cherokee and he wasn't sent to Oklahoma.
@@TheBlackhawkWar there is a live interview with him, yes he was a cherokee shaman, the women were sent to oklahoma. check out the video. a conversation with cherokee shaman blackhawk. I think I know my own heritage. you are going by books not a live interview. Plus i am from that area. My gr. grandmother was married to my gr. grandfather, her twin sister was also married to his brother. They went down to oklahoma & wanted to keep them together.
If there was a Cherokee of that name, it has nothing to do with this video or channel. This Black Hawk was a Sauk and he died long before there was a possibility of a video interview. You apparently don't know what you think you do.
@@wyneken38 you took the words right out of my mouth
Throughout history lands change hands. Organized people take advantage of disorganized people. Its the way it goes. Its sad that native history is all but forgotten. Tribes to busy fighting and squabbling with eachother to get organized. And unite. They had hudreds of years to do it. no written language. No standard of education. To this day crying about their lands being stolen. White man this white man that. Well natives couldn't unite, couldn't progresss...so they got walked all over. Certainly not the white man's fault.
This series is strongly from the colonial perspective. Which is warped, suggesting we were breaking treaties that were never respected by the Americans. That commanders were 'forced' to take up conflict when peaceful resolutions couldn't be met, disregarding that there was never much negotiation. It was the American way or die, with little respect for our lives.
Came here to comment this. It's so one sided.
I'm glad i read your comment before i began watching this.
I won't waste my time viewing colonialist hypocrisy.
Thanks 👍
Thanks for the heads up thumbs down off the rip!
Because we are a nation of colonials. It is RELEVANT TO US. cry baby
And SCALPING came from the DUTCH...not the Native Americans.
oh really ! scalping come from the Dutch?! FAKE NEWS. Suck it and see the Crow Creek Massacre occurred around the mid 1300s AD "Men, women, and children were scalped; the only difference was that younger children were cut higher on the skull than other groups."
The Dutch later became.a "native" tribe . remember Europeans were notorious for dressing as the indigenous and committing crimes (ie Boston tea party )
ball Shaman: I do not understand you ! What do you mean? you suggest that whites dresed as native around 1300s AD and committed the Crow Creek Massacre?! Native american committed many crimes, massacres before the white people arrived. Native americans extermined other nativs americans.
@ji jindeski kanakua. Scalping leaves cut and knick marks in the skull, it is very evident. Yes, hair is sacred, but not to ones enemy. Most tribes mutilated the enemy after death because it was believed their enemies could not hurt anyone in the afterlife. Take care
@@antoniszylling1885 did you mean exterminated. Please research this yourself.
This was uncomfortable. Clearly biased
Did you say these settlers are defending themselves lmao.. they invaded native land, forced thousands if not millions of tribes and civilizations build off their homes and now that the tribes have come back to claim their ancestors land they are the aggressors according to you... That's laughable.. and forested areas not deforested or changed is not land not in use, it's sacred land.. animals depend on that land, herbs, vegetation, plants, etc.. and humans depend on all those species existing in order to assist all life .. you have a strange way of viewing life and who's the aggressors
The White men speak with forked tongues .
These White thieves of European ancestry are a history of no good muthafuckees .
I spit on the White devils .
I liked the part where you just broadcasted one side of the story and made Natives out to be savages without the context of anything. Like how the conflict cost 70 Americans but the slaughter of over 400 natives. Let's also address the forceful theft of native land by greedy Americans under the guise of Manifest Destiny. But please tell me more about how offended and angered the white man was when they tried to steal shit and someone pushed back....
No mention of the slaughter of the women and children of Blackhawks band, estimated at between 300 to 600 people. Near Prairie du Chien. This is an incomplete and misleading video that white washed the reality.
Considering this video covered only covers May 1832 and the massacre you refer to happened in August 1832, your accusation is unfounded. I'm sorry you only want to focus on the end and none of the details. If you want shallow history, look elsewhere.
holy crap are you dense lol its says may of 1832 the final battle was in aug
Rob Darling the Sauk massacred whites and women and children . Crow creek massacre
nice sock account "rob"
wokety woke woke garbage