Kidds system is a good one. It allows for floating visualization for part of the year and access to most of the hull the rest of the year. I hate to see a ship out of water. But when it comes down to it. Most museum ships are going to be 100 soon. Let’s keep them around as long as we can.
I’ll admit, that’s a cool idea, wether that was intentional, or a happy accident, or it’s purely for utility reasons, I don’t care, it’s really cool, would love to see ANY museum ship in my next trip to the US, in Australia we don’t have many museum ships, and the ones we do we can’t get to because of restrictions
Getting any ship out of the water would be a good idea. The problem with larger ships as you have explained previously is the need to support the sides of the ship to prevent the decks from sagging.
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I remember the small carriers, 1930-40’s LST’s, and battleships had a deadline to be on blocks before we had to re-float, something about the weight of the turrets, or the multiple decks putting undue strain on the sides of the ship...Every now and then you’d hear a faint creak or groan while the ship was on blocks: her way of saying “Hurry Up!” 😆
My uncle who I care take for is 86. With dementia. He was XO on the USS Glennon .Fletcher. named after the first Glennon sunk I believe D day. I made him a 1/200 model for him and it sits next to him. He served on her around 63 . After he was on the Neosho during the cuban blockade. Then went on to be XO on the Ok City. Firing on the North Vietnam coast in 67-68. He went on to be a professor at the Newport Naval War college .
I remember when we first got the Kidd, they used to fire one of the main guns at 12 every day. It pissed the business community off something awful. It would rattle their windows.
Businessmen have always seemed to dislike and don't give a shit about history (with a few notable exceptions) they could care more about their windows shaking than tradition
Man, oh man. You’re awesome Ryan. Not only have you grown and become more comfortable in front of a camera, you’ve gone from “curator of the Battleship New Jersey”, to “Ambassador for Museum Ships”! It’s great that you’re using your platform to bring attention to many other ships, and help preserve part of our history. Thank you, sir.
My favorite museum ship/hurricane story is that the staff of battleship Alabama and their families rode out hurricane Katrina on the ship. In a storm that put floating casinos on top of apartment buildings a few miles down the road in Biloxi, the battleship shrugged it off just as she had the two typhoons she'd encountered in wartime service, and came out of it with a slight list to port.
I lived in Bay St Louis during Katrina, life long gulf coast resident. The Alabama team has done a great job protecting her from the many storms she’s has endured. Kudos the the Battleship Alabama team!
I would have to agree with that. What better place to ride the storm out. Something tells me that if the walls and the ship could talk. She would have been saying don’t worry. I have been through two Typhoons I will get you though it.
While that is good the Alabama survived that, its not something they should be exposed to. Texas lost her irreplaceable radar antenna in 1961 from Hurricane Carla which also busted out some windows in the fighting top.
Ryan always looks like he just rolled out of his rack and could not find his comb. Thanks for another great video Ryan. The film, " Greyhound " , was awesome.
I love the KIDD situation. It works extremely well for smaller vessels in a high-tidal or river-level situation. And I too enjoy the view of the underwater hull as well as the obvious maintenance advantages. Here aboard IOWA, where I've served as Chief Engineer for the last ten years, we have both different conditions and a vastly larger vessel to deal with. We'll likely be looking at a mono-pile system in the future, but will likely steer away from the somewhat rigid system used by TEXAS. Regarding drydocking an IOWA, our sister ships have relatively close drydocking facilities which could be utilized. IOWA on the other hand is far from such facilities. The point loading (narrow, focused weight loading) from the skegs and docking keel pose a problem for most docks and in my multiple conversations with shipyards up and down the coast, they refuse to dock IOWA. This limits drydock availability dramatically for IOWA here on this side of the country. Our current best choice is a shipyard in Portland which has a large and capable floating dock, but it also requires a nearly 1,000 mile tow and two trips across the bar. Pearl Harbor is an option potentially, but the six-week round trip tow was priced by us at $5M back in 2012. And the graving dock there may not be available due to contractual issues. We're trying to avoid drydocking and the associated $20M cost by using aggressive cofferdam techniques for the wind and waterline, underwater maintenance and a very robust cathodic protection system.
It's good to hear that you're being creative to extend the time between drydocking. I have a feeling that the Pearl Harbor drydocking idea could lead to some cool pictures with her younger sister Missouri. Who knows y'all might get lucky when towing Iowa home some movie maybe looking to utilize a battleship like what happened to Missouri.
Why I am hopeful the monopiles for Texas will go away with her relocation. They made sense for the small berth she had in San Jacinto but now with it appearing that she will be berthed off Bayland Island in Baytown she will have a bit more room to float and I could think of more appealing methods of berthing her without those unsightly monopiles and the add on monopile attachments to the hull.
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Super cool how you can see erosion on the bottom of Kidd's bronze propellers and on the rudder, clear effects of tides coming in and out. Really demonstrates the power of water, sediment, and time.
@@jth877 Basically all the screws need is to be polished. The rudder and the prop struts need some preservation work (sandblast and paint,) but less than one would expect after this much time.
@@johnnyliminal8032 From the age of the ship probably ironwood, which has been a common shaft bearing material, since the invention of the fixed rudder. Ironwood blocks pressed into the housing, and then bored out to the shaft diameter. Probably still good, though the first few dozen turns of the main shaft will be a little hard due to rust being removed from the shaft. To clean the props just turn the engines under power for a few minutes at low RPM when afloat, that would scour away the silt there, and polish the props as well, from the silt acting like an abrasive. Ship does not need to actually float, just more than half the prop needs to be under water.
I toured the USS Kidd back in May 1990. I remember it being a fantastic ship to visit; well-maintained, clean, plenty of informational guides, and the museum personal were knowledgeable and friendly.
Consider designing the blocking plan to allow additions to the top of the blocks so as the bottom of the river rises block extensions can be added to raise the ship above the bottom of the river whenever/if needed. Also create movable caps on the blocks so whenever the ship is raised during a high tide the caps can be shifted forward or aft to allow access to the part of the hull that was Inaccessible during the previous time on the blocks. This will allow access to all parts of the hull.
The key has been a predictable and known swing in the river amounts. In late April where you were standing will likely be 20' or more of water. A few years ago it was inches from going over the levee tops there, and in fact sand boils had water coming up on the other side of the levee in places.
The conservators of HMS Victory were left with no choice but to develop a new support system since the old girl was literally coming apart at the seams as gravity worked to "pancake" her hull.
I first visited the USS Texas in the 1980's when she was sitting on the mud. I believe it was in 1988 or '89 when after getting millions in donations from the children and people of Texas she was floated and towed to Todd's Shipyard to have her hull given the vital repairs it needed so she could float at her moorings.
December 1988 is when Texas was towed to Todds Shipyard. She left Todds shipyard February 1990 but the work at her berth wasnt completed till July 1990 so Texas sat in Greens Bayou from February to July 1990. I was lucky enough to visit her around 1994 when she still had some what of a fresh appearance from her dry docking and I plan to see her at her new home in Baytown when shes finally finished with dry docking. Hopefully they are putting a fresh coat on her while in dry dock since she is already there and the whole hull could be repainted. The monopile idea was what was came up with then how ever to allow her to float as their plan was to simply sink her in place which did more harm than good.
I'd like to see Battleship North Carolina on a system like this. As a Marine Corps veteran, I've served aboard ships. And we need to preserve as many as we can. One of my ships, the USS Guam is at the bottom of the Atlantic. The USS Nassau has been towed to the ship breakers. Now, once all of us who served on them are gone, they will only be a foot note in history. No one will know how we lived and worked on them. And that's sad. We need to preserve these older war horses for future generations to learn from.
We need to plan for the long term preservation techniques for our museum ships. The USS Kidd has a good method for its situation. America needs to look at different ways we can do similar for the other ships.
From my understanding there are plans to move the Kidd to drydock in New Orleans. There is some repairs that need to be done while the ship is out of water. It's will take a longer time than the ship is out of the water at its present moaring.
With preservation it is an ever evolving art. When Texas became one of the first in the US the best plan at berthing was to simply sink her in place so she couldnt go anywhere. Now we know better than that. Just like in 1968 with Texas when her wooden deck started to rot away it was removed and concrete was poured in its place believed to be a better cost effective way not realizing it help promoted rot of the decking beneath. Then we came up with the monopile system while she was at dry dock in 1988 - 1990. I am hopeful while she is at dry dock again in 2022 that they come up with another plan for mooring Texas since she will most likely be in Baytown on a city owned island with all the room she could want. Id love to see those ugly unsightly monopiles and monopile mounts on the hull to go and have a unique mooring system designed for her new berth. I fear how ever that the Foundation will just go back with the monopile system to save money how ever.
While I see the advantages to Kidd's docking system I do not believe it to be a practical system for a ship as large and heavy as an Iowa class Battleship. Dry docking periodically is the best solution for bottom maintenance and New Jersey is fortunate to be close to the drydocks at the former Philadelphia Naval Shipyard where she was built.
All the Iowas are lucky in that respect Wisconsin is at Norfolk, Missouri is at Perl Harbor, and Iowa is at Port of Los Angeles and of course New Jersey is close to Philadelphia. All are really close to dry docks that can do the work
@@josephpadula2283 yea I saw that late last night (closing that yard was kinda of stupid if you ask me) especially If the only other dry docks are Portland and HI. That also kinda leaves the Fleet in San Diego with out a dry dock too
Ships are designed to float and propel themselves through the water so for that reason the public should be able to see what makes them float and what makes them go. Anyone can walk past a marina and see boats floating (hopefully they are) but the engineering below the waterline is what makes the whole ship. Maybe up on piers with a retaing wall and earth berm up to the waterline on one side so people can get an idea of how the ship sat when in the water would work well.
I think it would be a great idea for any ship . It would be a great thing for the Uss New Jerseys and other ships getting the work they need in-between dry docking. To save money and would Also make parts of the ship visible that normally are not . It would also give people a look at just how big these ship really are. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos.
I served on a sister of Kidd and other WWII built destroyers in the 1960s. They get drydocked every 4-5 years along with a major overhaul. The ship is allocated money the captain gets to spend in the shipyard. The more work done by the crew leaves more money to spend in the yard. On a Sunmer destroyer in Long Beach NS in 1968, the crew stripped and painted the hull above the waterline while the yard did everything below. The ship isn't refloated to get the spots missed, the blocking layout is filed with the chief engineer and used next time to block allowing previous missed spots to be stripped and painted. Most navy drydocks are much bigger than destroyers and it takes a half day to flood and a day to pump out. Most of the yard money is spent on rebuilding machinery like generators, steam turbines, electric motors. Also the boilers are opened up and get new tubes, rebricked, and reinsulated. Much of the steam piping gets redone. Radio and CIC were stripped out and all the electronics and radars refreshed. We still used vacuum tubes. Since Vietnam was ongoing, the 3 twin gun mounts were exchanged for rebuilt ones with new barrels. 5"x38 barrels are good for about 5,000 rounds before they need new liners. Also the propellers, shafts and rudders are removed, repaired if necessary, and new bearings and seals installed. All the topsides were stripped and repainted by the crew and new nonskid laid. While in drydock the anchors are lowered to the bottom of the dock and all the chain. It's sand blasted and repainted along with markings on the chain to show how much chain is out. As I remember it was about $3 million plus. A sister ship, in the same drydocking had to have a 40' section of hull plating replaced under a boiler room. They were in the process of replacing some wasted ribs and power chipping rust when someone fell thru the bottom into the dock.
The blocking concept is an excellent idea. If it could be used with Texas (or Olympia)--larger ships, that is--it could potentially extend the service life of those museum ships, too.
They are looking at several ways to best store Texas. Be it on blocks, encased in concrete, or just plant to dry dock her every so often, the final result is unknown.
For the Kidd, when they do take her to drydock they can also have the berth dredged to extend the life of the blocking. They could just as easily use hoses and spray the silting from landward to wash it back into the river current. Blocking the larger ships, you would need to make cradles to support the sides as well which would ruin the look of them floating as well as changing the way she is put into and taken out of the berth for drydocking.
Simplest will be just to use the dry season, and take a backhoe and dig out the rudder and props, and a channel back to the river edge as well. Then the river flow will scour the silt away, and you just need to use the backhoe every low season to keep the channel silt free, as it will partly fill in again.
So as a tour guide said once on a trip to New Orleans, the Mississippi isn't a tidal river. It pushes the Gulf of Mexico out about 100 miles or so off shore. There's actually a cool video on youtube showing where the river water stops and the gulf waters begin. There's the brown fresh water dead zone on one side, created by the Mississippi River, and the beautiful blue water of the gulf on the other side of the line.
Seems like a good idea for smaller ships like Destroyers and Submarines. Id be skeptical of the usefulness of on the Carriers and Battleships though. But than again I'm no structural engineer.
It looks like the blocking system is a great idea. It extends the hull life of the ships, allows work to be done when the ship is out of the water, and you get to see underwater details first hand. Thanks Ryan, great video!
This is a really cool CZcams suggestion, I hope to see more ships one day but so far I’ve only seen the USS Kidd twice which I have a really cool print of on my wall in a frame of it shooting down a kamikaze, almost got to stay the night on it through Boy Scouts but it conflicted with plans, and I’ve been to the USS Texas and that was awesome! I spent 5 hours on it, left for lunch, then spent at least 2 more onboard! The only others I’ve been to is the USS Midway aircraft carrier in San Diego and a submarine that I think was at one of those museums. Can’t wait to someday go back to the USS Texas, she’s my favorite and I went to regionals on my social studies project about the ships history. And I’ll definitely stop by the Kid soon, I visit Baton Rouge and New Orleans at least once a year or two!
I like the idea of getting the ship out of the water - it allows the public to see parts of the ship they wouldn't normally see. Plus extends the life of the ship. Both pluses!
Thank you Ryan for talking about the Storms a Bit . It is a nice Topic to revisit Time and Time again . I liked seeing that Sonar Dome , bigger than I thought . Nice Rack ?
I would think digging beside the museum ships, a large channel. At high tide, pull them in and then surround them with earth and seawalls... This would remove the need worry about storm surges flushing them out to sea or even them sinking. We display great planes (call out to my F-106a's) on the ground, not in the air. I would bet the ship would last for many years without the water in direct contact to the armored steel. (sump pump if deemed necessary). love your channel.
You know what’s pretty cool about the Kidd? During the winter you can literally walk UNDER the keel and reach UP and touch her. It’s really an incredible experience. I’ve done that many times.
I thought bigger ships couldn't spend a large amount of time in dry berth? If safe, i think it would be a fantastic idea. They could have built long concrete blocks and shifted the cushions fore and aft every other year so they could maintenance everything. Unless the blocking plan can't move beyond a few feet, but I think they can or they couldn't bump.
There is a reason they have a regular dredging plan for the shipping channels in these navigable rivers. It looks like they should include something for this area as well. It would be good to keep those props and rudders out of the mud.
With Texas, I had hope with the relocation they would remove those sightly monopiles and go with a different method of berthing her. It appears very likely she will be berthed in Baytown which means she will be on Bayland Island that have a berth dredged out for her by Baytown. That would be ideal for allowing a new mooring system to be used and getting those unsightly addon monopile mounts attached to the hull off. Wouldnt be able to do like Kidd how ever as Texas would still be in the ship channel close to where she currently resides at but she would have more room than she currently has.
I think that there is some space to move the rubber black spacers that are on top of the concrete structures. If you could move those fore and aft on the pilings you might be able to get to that area that are in bad shape or at least minimize more dry dock time. Might be good to get a skid steer out there or excavator and dredge out around rudder and or props. Just thinking out loud. 👍😁 Seems like a good system, however you really have to have that tidal flow to make it work correctly.
man that is ssssuuuuppppeeerrrr cool that would be one hell of a mega extensive operation to do something like that for anything bigger than a destroyer not saying it isn't possible, it would be expensive as all who knows what BUT it would be probably one of the coolest naval exhibits in the world if it were on a battleship/carrier or cruiser whatever floats or..... supports your boat
I thought Ryan once said you can't do that to the NJ because the ship was designed to have a force exerted inward (from the water displacement) back inward into the hull of the ship, unless the resting blocks exert that same force. Plus I can't imagine how costly it is to raise an Iowa battleship of that size. The important thing is to extend the longevity of these ships to maintain our history.
i can see that plus a coffer dam that they can open so they can dry dock all of our museum ships. when they have her in dry dock work on the coffer dam the block clear out the silt etc
And they were all shot down because the state didnt want to spend that much money oblivious to the fact that it would greatly reduce expense over time.
I would be very nervous about that. The deterioration of the inner structure is very bad. They have repaired much of it. A few years ago there was a real threat of her engines falling through the hull. Fresh water would be a great way to move forward.
What about building a drydock, filled with fresh water and a ship floating in it. Would the ship last longer? And when it is dry dock time it doesn't need to be towed anywhere. Also maybe every few years the ship is out for a little bit while another museum ship is in getting fired, that way the dry dock could generate income too.
There is a system of dry docks at the Old Quincy Fore River Ship Yard thar sit unused it would be a great Idea to utilize these dry docks and slip ways for the ships built here that are now museum ships
In theory one could treat the water to ensure a proper balance to reduce hull corrosion to a minimum. Problem is it would be quite costly and if the state is funding the ship they would not go for it. Now if the ship is being funded by visitors then it could be a viable option. Would be no different than the zinc system used on Big Mo in Pearl harbor that attracts corrision to the zinc bars instead of the hull. But that system requires a small electrical charge, in the case of a fresh water dry dock system it would require chemicals in the water.
seeing the first takes of this vid, I was wondering if that could be something for Battleship New Jersey- but there might be some caveats- sure, a BB is much more sturdy than a DD, but she is also very heavy. she would have to be guided onto her blocks very precisely to distribute stresses, which might not be so easy if you can't control the water level. and, big IF.... does her structure really want to be out of the water every 6 months? or would that, perhaps after some cycles, lead to static deflection, sagging, bulging out of her sides etc? one would probably need to do a good amount of structural analysis to answer that one. unless that can be satisfied, she is probably happier to float in the river as she is supposed to with some dry docking in longer intervals.
Have any museum ships ever floated the idea of building a giant interior floating pool where they could keep the ship in treated fresh water and drain and re-flood it whenever they needed to? Basically a permanent inland dry dock? Maybe working with several museum ships together to bring several ships together into one pool to share the cost of construction?
I remember seeing the USS Alabama sitting kind of crooked after Hurricane Katrina picked her up and then set her down slightly askew from her hole she had been living in. But, it didn't hurt her!
Take a look at SS Great Britain. It lives in a dry dock, but they set a glass panel at water level. You can walk under that glass to see the keel of the ship too. This gives the impression of a ship in water, but with all the advantages of being out of the water.
I would love to see all museum ships displayed in this fashion. Like the sonar dome there are features underwater that we simply cannot see in the typical display. I know that in the case of the USS Texas she requires the water pressure on the outside of the hull to keep her upper decks from Pancaking. I do not know if the same applies for other ships like the USS New Jersey but I would assume for any ships of that size and weight that the same thing applies. So I’m not sure it could be done with the larger ships.
Really? I first saw it in the early to mid-70s (probably summer of 75) and it was inside then. I don't know when they acquired it but it would not be much more than 2.5 decades before that.
Seems to me the best longterm solution to larger museum ships would be a permanent concrete dry dock... Cash is of course the issue but a concrete slip that can have some type of temporary doors but on one end and be pumped out in the longterm seems to one allow dry docking almost as often as the museum wants, elimination of towing and all the dangers that entails seems a huge plus.... with todays technology and coatings a system like this could last well over 100 years with little maintenance if built well from the start... Would be interesting to run the numbers on a permanent slip / quasi drydock vs towing and paying for someone elses dry dock... Another idea could be a museum buying a share of a shipyards floating drydock or if close enough ab actual dry dock... own 1/8 or even 1/16 share in the dock and instead of getting a commission from clients who use the dock the museum gets so much dock time per a given set of years.... So you own a share of the dock and every 10 or 20 years you get say a few months dock time in return....
Earlier I posted that the dry docks available to BB Iowa were in Portland and Hawaii. The dry docks in San Diego are booked up with Navy Work and it pays better so that is why I did not list them. The point was there are no more dry docks in La or San Fransisco big enough to handle the Iowa and it will have to be towed. The duty paid by a US ship for repairs done out of the US is 100%.
The Kidd seems to have a fairly good plan albeit its still not perfect by any means. Its a shame the museum ships cannot all be placed in a sort of permeate dry dock totally out of the water. It seems that since they were constructed in a dry dock at a ship yard that they could not spend the rest of their time in yet another dry dock.
I guess it really is true - you have a video for everything! 😂 When Beryl started looking a bit shifty, I thought I'd see if you had already covered museum ships and hurricanes and here the video is. It does bring up the question though, how do ships fair when in dry dock? I tripped over a USS Kidd video that said she was in dry dock and would probably be there for 8 months? Would a hurricane be strong enough to knock a ship off their dry dock blocks?
I really doubt this system could be used for USS New Jersey. I don't even think the Delaware River goes down enough for the ship to rest on anything. It would need to be moved; in which case, just drydock it anyway. USS NJ is also fricking massive and super heavy.
Are there more videos about USS Kidd coming? I’m especially curious about her role in Greyhound. And aside from that, that would be a great opportunity to talk about “Kilroy was here” since I have heard that on Kidd you can find multiple ones. I assume the one which can be seen in Greyhound on the radar screen is an original one
I think the Texas is looking very sad and needs a lot of help right now The setup the Kidd has is very good It’s a pity they didn’t put the stands next to that dome a bit further apart so the boat could be moved forward And backwards a little bit and then the hull could be treated all over 👍👍
Permanent dry docking would be preferable if it is feasible. But not all ports have a dry dock that could be used for permanently mooring a museum ship.
As has been pointed out in previous videos, if a ship is out of the water it needs supports on its sides to replace the pressure that would normally be supplied by the water. Without that pressure, the ship will slowly pancake.
I can’t remember if I have already asked this question. I understand that the gaskets around the shafts have a lot of weight on them. When the Battleship New Jersey goes into dry dock will the propellers be removed and the holes blanked over?
Yes, the height of the Mississippi varies greatly. That’s primarily due to snow melt and rainfall upstream in the winter and spring. The volume decreases tremendously in the summer-so much so that it occasionally jeopardizes drinking water for communities below New Orleans.
You have to remember how large an area the Mississippi drains. I saw a documentary yesterday referring to it as the fourth or fifth longest river in the world, but if you take a left turn at St. Louis and go to the head waters of the Missouri it is the second or third longest (I don't recall if the Amazon is longer), and going up the Ohio is also longer than the main river if I remember correctly. In '93 and to a lesser extent in '94 there was major flooding in the Missouri, Platte and Des Moines valleys as well as upstream flooding in the Mississippi north of the twin cities. There were major levee breaches all over the place, including some intentional ones that saved the river wall in St. Louis from being over-topped (40' above flood stage). I believe that year also saw similar flooding in the Tennessee and Ohio valleys. Farther south some navigation was impossible because larger ships could not get under some of the bridges. I have seen flooding nearly as severe in parts of those valleys two or three times since then but not all at once and not quite as severe, although the Missouri flooding in 2011 was nearly as bad, maybe worse in localized areas. In the south that kind of flooding is an annual event even when there is not an extraordinary level of flooding in the drainage area. You are draining everything between the Appalachians and the Rockies south of North Dakota and about 100 miles or less south of the Great Lakes and north of, say Dallas. I don't know where the divides in the gulf coast states have the rivers going south instead of to the Mighty Miss, but that amount of drainage amounts to 20 feet of flooding even in dry years.
That's an excellent way to preserve a vessel. Wouldn't it be even better to place a ship into a dredged area, dam it off, then fill the void with earth? I've seen a few ships done this way and they never seem to have to worry about corrosion
I'm surprised they just don't build a heavy railway slipway into the water and put it onto dryland from their. Once you have the slipway you can move it at anytime back into the water. Seems cheaper than all these other ideas. Once its in position on rails on land build a triangle rig out of I-beams for either end of the ship to be permently fixed in position.
Kidds system is a good one. It allows for floating visualization for part of the year and access to most of the hull the rest of the year. I hate to see a ship out of water. But when it comes down to it. Most museum ships are going to be 100 soon. Let’s keep them around as long as we can.
Yup
I’ll admit, that’s a cool idea, wether that was intentional, or a happy accident, or it’s purely for utility reasons, I don’t care, it’s really cool, would love to see ANY museum ship in my next trip to the US, in Australia we don’t have many museum ships, and the ones we do we can’t get to because of restrictions
Getting any ship out of the water would be a good idea. The problem with larger ships as you have explained previously is the need to support the sides of the ship to prevent the decks from sagging.
I was about to ask the same thing.
The setup on HMS Victory seems to me to be a viable solution to this problem
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“Here’s looking at you, Kidd.”
Hope they keep up the unique and effective preservation efforts.
I remember the small carriers, 1930-40’s LST’s, and battleships had a deadline to be on blocks before we had to re-float, something about the weight of the turrets, or the multiple decks putting undue strain on the sides of the ship...Every now and then you’d hear a faint creak or groan while the ship was on blocks: her way of saying “Hurry Up!” 😆
There is no 1930s LSTs
My uncle who I care take for is 86. With dementia. He was XO on the USS Glennon .Fletcher. named after the first Glennon sunk I believe D day. I made him a 1/200 model for him and it sits next to him. He served on her around 63 . After he was on the Neosho during the cuban blockade. Then went on to be XO on the Ok City. Firing on the North Vietnam coast in 67-68. He went on to be a professor at the Newport Naval War college .
I remember when we first got the Kidd, they used to fire one of the main guns at 12 every day. It pissed the business community off something awful. It would rattle their windows.
Businessmen have always seemed to dislike and don't give a shit about history (with a few notable exceptions) they could care more about their windows shaking than tradition
Man, oh man. You’re awesome Ryan. Not only have you grown and become more comfortable in front of a camera, you’ve gone from “curator of the Battleship New Jersey”, to “Ambassador for Museum Ships”! It’s great that you’re using your platform to bring attention to many other ships, and help preserve part of our history. Thank you, sir.
My favorite museum ship/hurricane story is that the staff of battleship Alabama and their families rode out hurricane Katrina on the ship. In a storm that put floating casinos on top of apartment buildings a few miles down the road in Biloxi, the battleship shrugged it off just as she had the two typhoons she'd encountered in wartime service, and came out of it with a slight list to port.
I lived in Bay St Louis during Katrina, life long gulf coast resident. The Alabama team has done a great job protecting her from the many storms she’s has endured. Kudos the the Battleship Alabama team!
I would have to agree with that. What better place to ride the storm out. Something tells me that if the walls and the ship could talk. She would have been saying don’t worry. I have been through two Typhoons I will get you though it.
While that is good the Alabama survived that, its not something they should be exposed to. Texas lost her irreplaceable radar antenna in 1961 from Hurricane Carla which also busted out some windows in the fighting top.
Ryan always looks like he just rolled out of his rack and could not find his comb.
Thanks for another great video Ryan. The film, " Greyhound " , was awesome.
I love the KIDD situation. It works extremely well for smaller vessels in a high-tidal or river-level situation. And I too enjoy the view of the underwater hull as well as the obvious maintenance advantages. Here aboard IOWA, where I've served as Chief Engineer for the last ten years, we have both different conditions and a vastly larger vessel to deal with. We'll likely be looking at a mono-pile system in the future, but will likely steer away from the somewhat rigid system used by TEXAS. Regarding drydocking an IOWA, our sister ships have relatively close drydocking facilities which could be utilized. IOWA on the other hand is far from such facilities. The point loading (narrow, focused weight loading) from the skegs and docking keel pose a problem for most docks and in my multiple conversations with shipyards up and down the coast, they refuse to dock IOWA. This limits drydock availability dramatically for IOWA here on this side of the country. Our current best choice is a shipyard in Portland which has a large and capable floating dock, but it also requires a nearly 1,000 mile tow and two trips across the bar. Pearl Harbor is an option potentially, but the six-week round trip tow was priced by us at $5M back in 2012. And the graving dock there may not be available due to contractual issues. We're trying to avoid drydocking and the associated $20M cost by using aggressive cofferdam techniques for the wind and waterline, underwater maintenance and a very robust cathodic protection system.
It's good to hear that you're being creative to extend the time between drydocking. I have a feeling that the Pearl Harbor drydocking idea could lead to some cool pictures with her younger sister Missouri. Who knows y'all might get lucky when towing Iowa home some movie maybe looking to utilize a battleship like what happened to Missouri.
Why I am hopeful the monopiles for Texas will go away with her relocation. They made sense for the small berth she had in San Jacinto but now with it appearing that she will be berthed off Bayland Island in Baytown she will have a bit more room to float and I could think of more appealing methods of berthing her without those unsightly monopiles and the add on monopile attachments to the hull.
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Super cool how you can see erosion on the bottom of Kidd's bronze propellers and on the rudder, clear effects of tides coming in and out. Really demonstrates the power of water, sediment, and time.
Those props are in great shape. Not too much rework time and they would be good as new.
@@jth877 Basically all the screws need is to be polished. The rudder and the prop struts need some preservation work (sandblast and paint,) but less than one would expect after this much time.
@@robertf3479 What kind of bearing is in that aftmost prop shaft support? Must be a hardy one.
@@johnnyliminal8032 From the age of the ship probably ironwood, which has been a common shaft bearing material, since the invention of the fixed rudder. Ironwood blocks pressed into the housing, and then bored out to the shaft diameter. Probably still good, though the first few dozen turns of the main shaft will be a little hard due to rust being removed from the shaft.
To clean the props just turn the engines under power for a few minutes at low RPM when afloat, that would scour away the silt there, and polish the props as well, from the silt acting like an abrasive. Ship does not need to actually float, just more than half the prop needs to be under water.
@@SeanBZA Thank you.
I toured the USS Kidd back in May 1990. I remember it being a fantastic ship to visit; well-maintained, clean, plenty of informational guides, and the museum personal were knowledgeable and friendly.
Consider designing the blocking plan to allow additions to the top of the blocks so as the bottom of the river rises block extensions can be added to raise the ship above the bottom of the river whenever/if needed.
Also create movable caps on the blocks so whenever the ship is raised during a high tide the caps can be shifted forward or aft to allow access to the part of the hull that was Inaccessible during the previous time on the blocks. This will allow access to all parts of the hull.
The key has been a predictable and known swing in the river amounts. In late April where you were standing will likely be 20' or more of water. A few years ago it was inches from going over the levee tops there, and in fact sand boils had water coming up on the other side of the levee in places.
I think you will find HMS Victory was the first museum ship with permanent blocks. They've done a wonderful job of upgrading them in recent years.
The conservators of HMS Victory were left with no choice but to develop a new support system since the old girl was literally coming apart at the seams as gravity worked to "pancake" her hull.
I first visited the USS Texas in the 1980's when she was sitting on the mud.
I believe it was in 1988 or '89 when after getting millions in donations from the
children and people of Texas she was floated and towed to Todd's Shipyard
to have her hull given the vital repairs it needed so she could float at her moorings.
When I was first there in the late 80s they had replaced her upper deck with concrete, which caused more problems than it solved...
December 1988 is when Texas was towed to Todds Shipyard. She left Todds shipyard February 1990 but the work at her berth wasnt completed till July 1990 so Texas sat in Greens Bayou from February to July 1990. I was lucky enough to visit her around 1994 when she still had some what of a fresh appearance from her dry docking and I plan to see her at her new home in Baytown when shes finally finished with dry docking. Hopefully they are putting a fresh coat on her while in dry dock since she is already there and the whole hull could be repainted.
The monopile idea was what was came up with then how ever to allow her to float as their plan was to simply sink her in place which did more harm than good.
It's incredible to be able to walk around and see parts of that ship that are typically only ever looked at by the people who work on it in dry dock
Been going to the Kidd since I was a kid and I notice something new every time I visit. Great part of history in that Fletcher!
Good to see these old ships being conserved!
I'd like to see Battleship North Carolina on a system like this.
As a Marine Corps veteran, I've served aboard ships. And we need to preserve as many as we can. One of my ships, the USS Guam is at the bottom of the Atlantic. The USS Nassau has been towed to the ship breakers. Now, once all of us who served on them are gone, they will only be a foot note in history. No one will know how we lived and worked on them.
And that's sad.
We need to preserve these older war horses for future generations to learn from.
We need to plan for the long term preservation techniques for our museum ships. The USS Kidd has a good method for its situation. America needs to look at different ways we can do similar for the other ships.
From my understanding there are plans to move the Kidd to drydock in New Orleans.
There is some repairs that need to be done while the ship is out of water.
It's will take a longer time than the ship is out of the water at its present moaring.
With preservation it is an ever evolving art. When Texas became one of the first in the US the best plan at berthing was to simply sink her in place so she couldnt go anywhere. Now we know better than that. Just like in 1968 with Texas when her wooden deck started to rot away it was removed and concrete was poured in its place believed to be a better cost effective way not realizing it help promoted rot of the decking beneath. Then we came up with the monopile system while she was at dry dock in 1988 - 1990. I am hopeful while she is at dry dock again in 2022 that they come up with another plan for mooring Texas since she will most likely be in Baytown on a city owned island with all the room she could want. Id love to see those ugly unsightly monopiles and monopile mounts on the hull to go and have a unique mooring system designed for her new berth. I fear how ever that the Foundation will just go back with the monopile system to save money how ever.
We were there last month. What a great display and an accurate depiction of a ship in full WWII configuration.
While I see the advantages to Kidd's docking system I do not believe it to be a practical system for a ship as large and heavy as an Iowa class Battleship. Dry docking periodically is the best solution for bottom maintenance and New Jersey is fortunate to be close to the drydocks at the former Philadelphia Naval Shipyard where she was built.
All the Iowas are lucky in that respect
Wisconsin is at Norfolk, Missouri is at Perl Harbor, and Iowa is at Port of Los Angeles and of course New Jersey is close to Philadelphia. All are really close to dry docks that can do the work
Well, as long as the shipyards stay open. There are fewer and fewer of them every year.
All the dry docks in La/ Long Beach that can handle the Iowa are gone!
The chief engineer of the Iowa posted the only choices are Portland and Hawaii.
@@josephpadula2283 yea I saw that late last night (closing that yard was kinda of stupid if you ask me) especially If the only other dry docks are Portland and HI. That also kinda leaves the Fleet in San Diego with out a dry dock too
I think getting it out of salt water would be a huge benefit.
Ships are designed to float and propel themselves through the water so for that reason the public should be able to see what makes them float and what makes them go. Anyone can walk past a marina and see boats floating (hopefully they are) but the engineering below the waterline is what makes the whole ship. Maybe up on piers with a retaing wall and earth berm up to the waterline on one side so people can get an idea of how the ship sat when in the water would work well.
I think it would be a great idea for any ship . It would be a great thing for the Uss New Jerseys and other ships getting the work they need in-between dry docking. To save money and would Also make parts of the ship visible that normally are not . It would also give people a look at just how big these ship really are. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos.
I served on a sister of Kidd and other WWII built destroyers in the 1960s. They get drydocked every 4-5 years along with a major overhaul. The ship is allocated money the captain gets to spend in the shipyard. The more work done by the crew leaves more money to spend in the yard. On a Sunmer destroyer in Long Beach NS in 1968, the crew stripped and painted the hull above the waterline while the yard did everything below. The ship isn't refloated to get the spots missed, the blocking layout is filed with the chief engineer and used next time to block allowing previous missed spots to be stripped and painted. Most navy drydocks are much bigger than destroyers and it takes a half day to flood and a day to pump out.
Most of the yard money is spent on rebuilding machinery like generators, steam turbines, electric motors. Also the boilers are opened up and get new tubes, rebricked, and reinsulated. Much of the steam piping gets redone. Radio and CIC were stripped out and all the electronics and radars refreshed. We still used vacuum tubes. Since Vietnam was ongoing, the 3 twin gun mounts were exchanged for rebuilt ones with new barrels. 5"x38 barrels are good for about 5,000 rounds before they need new liners.
Also the propellers, shafts and rudders are removed, repaired if necessary, and new bearings and seals installed. All the topsides were stripped and repainted by the crew and new nonskid laid. While in drydock the anchors are lowered to the bottom of the dock and all the chain. It's sand blasted and repainted along with markings on the chain to show how much chain is out. As I remember it was about $3 million plus. A sister ship, in the same drydocking had to have a 40' section of hull plating replaced under a boiler room. They were in the process of replacing some wasted ribs and power chipping rust when someone fell thru the bottom into the dock.
I like the blocking plan for Kidd. It isn't perfect but that works really well.
The blocking concept is an excellent idea. If it could be used with Texas (or Olympia)--larger ships, that is--it could potentially extend the service life of those museum ships, too.
They are looking at several ways to best store Texas. Be it on blocks, encased in concrete, or just plant to dry dock her every so often, the final result is unknown.
Yeah. It the HSC doesn’t have a crazy tidal move. Just a few feet if that compared to the river which is around 30-35ft per year.
For the Kidd, when they do take her to drydock they can also have the berth dredged to extend the life of the blocking. They could just as easily use hoses and spray the silting from landward to wash it back into the river current.
Blocking the larger ships, you would need to make cradles to support the sides as well which would ruin the look of them floating as well as changing the way she is put into and taken out of the berth for drydocking.
Simplest will be just to use the dry season, and take a backhoe and dig out the rudder and props, and a channel back to the river edge as well. Then the river flow will scour the silt away, and you just need to use the backhoe every low season to keep the channel silt free, as it will partly fill in again.
So as a tour guide said once on a trip to New Orleans, the Mississippi isn't a tidal river. It pushes the Gulf of Mexico out about 100 miles or so off shore. There's actually a cool video on youtube showing where the river water stops and the gulf waters begin. There's the brown fresh water dead zone on one side, created by the Mississippi River, and the beautiful blue water of the gulf on the other side of the line.
Seems like a good idea for smaller ships like Destroyers and Submarines. Id be skeptical of the usefulness of on the Carriers and Battleships though. But than again I'm no structural engineer.
It looks like the blocking system is a great idea. It extends the hull life of the ships, allows work to be done when the ship is out of the water, and you get to see underwater details first hand. Thanks Ryan, great video!
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This is a really cool CZcams suggestion, I hope to see more ships one day but so far I’ve only seen the USS Kidd twice which I have a really cool print of on my wall in a frame of it shooting down a kamikaze, almost got to stay the night on it through Boy Scouts but it conflicted with plans, and I’ve been to the USS Texas and that was awesome! I spent 5 hours on it, left for lunch, then spent at least 2 more onboard! The only others I’ve been to is the USS Midway aircraft carrier in San Diego and a submarine that I think was at one of those museums. Can’t wait to someday go back to the USS Texas, she’s my favorite and I went to regionals on my social studies project about the ships history. And I’ll definitely stop by the Kid soon, I visit Baton Rouge and New Orleans at least once a year or two!
I like the idea of getting the ship out of the water - it allows the public to see parts of the ship they wouldn't normally see. Plus extends the life of the ship. Both pluses!
Thank you Ryan for talking about the Storms a Bit . It is a nice Topic to revisit Time and Time again . I liked seeing that Sonar Dome , bigger than I thought . Nice Rack ?
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Wish I would have known you were at the Battleship Texas. I would have loved to have met y’all. Thanks for the great videos.
I would think digging beside the museum ships, a large channel. At high tide, pull them in and then surround them with earth and seawalls... This would remove the need worry about storm surges flushing them out to sea or even them sinking. We display great planes (call out to my F-106a's) on the ground, not in the air. I would bet the ship would last for many years without the water in direct contact to the armored steel. (sump pump if deemed necessary).
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You know what’s pretty cool about the Kidd? During the winter you can literally walk UNDER the keel and reach UP and touch her. It’s really an incredible experience. I’ve done that many times.
I thought bigger ships couldn't spend a large amount of time in dry berth? If safe, i think it would be a fantastic idea.
They could have built long concrete blocks and shifted the cushions fore and aft every other year so they could maintenance everything. Unless the blocking plan can't move beyond a few feet, but I think they can or they couldn't bump.
The uss alabama is a designated storm shelter. its weathered every hurricane with ease .
There is a reason they have a regular dredging plan for the shipping channels in these navigable rivers. It looks like they should include something for this area as well. It would be good to keep those props and rudders out of the mud.
With Texas, I had hope with the relocation they would remove those sightly monopiles and go with a different method of berthing her. It appears very likely she will be berthed in Baytown which means she will be on Bayland Island that have a berth dredged out for her by Baytown. That would be ideal for allowing a new mooring system to be used and getting those unsightly addon monopile mounts attached to the hull off.
Wouldnt be able to do like Kidd how ever as Texas would still be in the ship channel close to where she currently resides at but she would have more room than she currently has.
I think that there is some space to move the rubber black spacers that are on top of the concrete structures. If you could move those fore and aft on the pilings you might be able to get to that area that are in bad shape or at least minimize more dry dock time. Might be good to get a skid steer out there or excavator and dredge out around rudder and or props. Just thinking out loud. 👍😁 Seems like a good system, however you really have to have that tidal flow to make it work correctly.
Sounds like a good idea. I’m too old to seethe NJ benefit from the future adaptation of the system. Nice video thank you.
I love how the Kidd is still in its WWII configuration
Leave Big J in the water. Kidd looked funny sitting out of the water.
I thought I recognized him, I saw him filming this video. Didn't realize it at the time.
man that is ssssuuuuppppeeerrrr cool that would be one hell of a mega extensive operation to do something like that for anything bigger than a destroyer not saying it isn't possible, it would be expensive as all who knows what BUT it would be probably one of the coolest naval exhibits in the world if it were on a battleship/carrier or cruiser whatever floats or..... supports your boat
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I thought Ryan once said you can't do that to the NJ because the ship was designed to have a force exerted inward (from the water displacement) back inward into the hull of the ship, unless the resting blocks exert that same force. Plus I can't imagine how costly it is to raise an Iowa battleship of that size. The important thing is to extend the longevity of these ships to maintain our history.
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i can see that plus a coffer dam that they can open so they can dry dock all of our museum ships. when they have her in dry dock work on the coffer dam the block clear out the silt etc
YES
There were several proposed "dry berths" for the Texas and I think all ships should be preserved in this manner just like HMS Victory.
And they were all shot down because the state didnt want to spend that much money oblivious to the fact that it would greatly reduce expense over time.
In my opinion, texas really needs a blocking system like Kidd, shes 100+ years old. But that would mean heavier concrete blocks withstand her weight
I would be very nervous about that. The deterioration of the inner structure is very bad. They have repaired much of it. A few years ago there was a real threat of her engines falling through the hull. Fresh water would be a great way to move forward.
@@jth877 then they should throw it on land then
I would like the Texas and New Jersey supported in a similar manner as the Kidd
The USS North Carolina was used on the movie 'Too Young the Hero.'
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I've done the over night on the Kidd several times. It's a good museum
What about building a drydock, filled with fresh water and a ship floating in it. Would the ship last longer? And when it is dry dock time it doesn't need to be towed anywhere. Also maybe every few years the ship is out for a little bit while another museum ship is in getting fired, that way the dry dock could generate income too.
There is a system of dry docks at the Old Quincy Fore River Ship Yard thar sit unused it would be a great Idea to utilize these dry docks and slip ways for the ships built here that are now museum ships
In theory one could treat the water to ensure a proper balance to reduce hull corrosion to a minimum. Problem is it would be quite costly and if the state is funding the ship they would not go for it. Now if the ship is being funded by visitors then it could be a viable option. Would be no different than the zinc system used on Big Mo in Pearl harbor that attracts corrision to the zinc bars instead of the hull. But that system requires a small electrical charge, in the case of a fresh water dry dock system it would require chemicals in the water.
seeing the first takes of this vid, I was wondering if that could be something for Battleship New Jersey- but there might be some caveats- sure, a BB is much more sturdy than a DD, but she is also very heavy. she would have to be guided onto her blocks very precisely to distribute stresses, which might not be so easy if you can't control the water level. and, big IF.... does her structure really want to be out of the water every 6 months? or would that, perhaps after some cycles, lead to static deflection, sagging, bulging out of her sides etc? one would probably need to do a good amount of structural analysis to answer that one. unless that can be satisfied, she is probably happier to float in the river as she is supposed to with some dry docking in longer intervals.
Have any museum ships ever floated the idea of building a giant interior floating pool where they could keep the ship in treated fresh water and drain and re-flood it whenever they needed to? Basically a permanent inland dry dock? Maybe working with several museum ships together to bring several ships together into one pool to share the cost of construction?
I remember seeing the USS Alabama sitting kind of crooked after Hurricane Katrina picked her up and then set her down slightly askew from her hole she had been living in. But, it didn't hurt her!
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Take a look at SS Great Britain. It lives in a dry dock, but they set a glass panel at water level. You can walk under that glass to see the keel of the ship too. This gives the impression of a ship in water, but with all the advantages of being out of the water.
Looks like a good idea
I would love to see all museum ships displayed in this fashion. Like the sonar dome there are features underwater that we simply cannot see in the typical display. I know that in the case of the USS Texas she requires the water pressure on the outside of the hull to keep her upper decks from Pancaking. I do not know if the same applies for other ships like the USS New Jersey but I would assume for any ships of that size and weight that the same thing applies. So I’m not sure it could be done with the larger ships.
the u 505 at the museum of science and industry in Chiicago was on blocks outside the musuem for decades before being moved inssde.
Really? I first saw it in the early to mid-70s (probably summer of 75) and it was inside then. I don't know when they acquired it but it would not be much more than 2.5 decades before that.
Those are some big propellers, at least a curator and a half, maybe taller.
Seems to me the best longterm solution to larger museum ships would be a permanent concrete dry dock... Cash is of course the issue but a concrete slip that can have some type of temporary doors but on one end and be pumped out in the longterm seems to one allow dry docking almost as often as the museum wants, elimination of towing and all the dangers that entails seems a huge plus.... with todays technology and coatings a system like this could last well over 100 years with little maintenance if built well from the start...
Would be interesting to run the numbers on a permanent slip / quasi drydock vs towing and paying for someone elses dry dock...
Another idea could be a museum buying a share of a shipyards floating drydock or if close enough ab actual dry dock... own 1/8 or even 1/16 share in the dock and instead of getting a commission from clients who use the dock the museum gets so much dock time per a given set of years.... So you own a share of the dock and every 10 or 20 years you get say a few months dock time in return....
yes , great idea
Earlier I posted that the dry docks available to BB Iowa were in Portland and Hawaii.
The dry docks in San Diego are booked up with Navy Work and it pays better so that is why I did not list them.
The point was there are no more dry docks in La or San Fransisco big enough to handle the Iowa and it will have to be towed.
The duty paid by a US ship for repairs done out of the US is 100%.
I suggested using marbles or something smaller to imitate water especially on the sides.
I think it's wonderful what they're doing for the USS kid. But I don't think would be such a bad idea for the USS Olympia in Philadelphia.
I would love to see our local museum ships pulled out of the water and protected.
The Kidd seems to have a fairly good plan albeit its still not perfect by any means. Its a shame the museum ships cannot all be placed in a sort of permeate dry dock totally out of the water.
It seems that since they were constructed in a dry dock at a ship yard that they could not spend the rest of their time in yet another dry dock.
I guess it really is true - you have a video for everything! 😂 When Beryl started looking a bit shifty, I thought I'd see if you had already covered museum ships and hurricanes and here the video is. It does bring up the question though, how do ships fair when in dry dock? I tripped over a USS Kidd video that said she was in dry dock and would probably be there for 8 months? Would a hurricane be strong enough to knock a ship off their dry dock blocks?
Geez, there are times I miss Texas. Usually around the time it's in the single digits here in the Midwest. During summer, not so much. Hehe
I would like to see some of these ships able to move under their own power once again but that's a pipe dream
Any means to protect these ships is alright with me. We are lucky to have them.
yes great idea
I really doubt this system could be used for USS New Jersey. I don't even think the Delaware River goes down enough for the ship to rest on anything. It would need to be moved; in which case, just drydock it anyway. USS NJ is also fricking massive and super heavy.
Are there more videos about USS Kidd coming? I’m especially curious about her role in Greyhound. And aside from that, that would be a great opportunity to talk about “Kilroy was here” since I have heard that on Kidd you can find multiple ones. I assume the one which can be seen in Greyhound on the radar screen is an original one
I think the Texas is looking very sad and needs a lot of help right now
The setup the Kidd has is very good
It’s a pity they didn’t put the stands next to that dome a bit further apart so the boat could be moved forward
And backwards a little bit and then the hull could be treated all over 👍👍
Permanent dry docking would be preferable if it is feasible. But not all ports have a dry dock that could be used for permanently mooring a museum ship.
As has been pointed out in previous videos, if a ship is out of the water it needs supports on its sides to replace the pressure that would normally be supplied by the water. Without that pressure, the ship will slowly pancake.
Looking at the USS Kidd website. it appears she is pretty close to WWII configuration.
At 5:16 what are those lighter looking blocks on the bottom of the hull?
I can’t remember if I have already asked this question. I understand that the gaskets around the shafts have a lot of weight on them. When the Battleship New Jersey goes into dry dock will the propellers be removed and the holes blanked over?
I wanna see more of the props
Are you saying the Mississippi water level varies season to season? I wasn’t aware that happened.
Yep, quite a lot actually. It’s much higher in the spring due to snow melt.
Yes, the height of the Mississippi varies greatly. That’s primarily due to snow melt and rainfall upstream in the winter and spring. The volume decreases tremendously in the summer-so much so that it occasionally jeopardizes drinking water for communities below New Orleans.
You have to remember how large an area the Mississippi drains. I saw a documentary yesterday referring to it as the fourth or fifth longest river in the world, but if you take a left turn at St. Louis and go to the head waters of the Missouri it is the second or third longest (I don't recall if the Amazon is longer), and going up the Ohio is also longer than the main river if I remember correctly.
In '93 and to a lesser extent in '94 there was major flooding in the Missouri, Platte and Des Moines valleys as well as upstream flooding in the Mississippi north of the twin cities. There were major levee breaches all over the place, including some intentional ones that saved the river wall in St. Louis from being over-topped (40' above flood stage). I believe that year also saw similar flooding in the Tennessee and Ohio valleys. Farther south some navigation was impossible because larger ships could not get under some of the bridges. I have seen flooding nearly as severe in parts of those valleys two or three times since then but not all at once and not quite as severe, although the Missouri flooding in 2011 was nearly as bad, maybe worse in localized areas.
In the south that kind of flooding is an annual event even when there is not an extraordinary level of flooding in the drainage area. You are draining everything between the Appalachians and the Rockies south of North Dakota and about 100 miles or less south of the Great Lakes and north of, say Dallas. I don't know where the divides in the gulf coast states have the rivers going south instead of to the Mighty Miss, but that amount of drainage amounts to 20 feet of flooding even in dry years.
That's an excellent way to preserve a vessel. Wouldn't it be even better to place a ship into a dredged area, dam it off, then fill the void with earth? I've seen a few ships done this way and they never seem to have to worry about corrosion
mud can be corrosive plus the ship will start to bulge over time
I like the idea of dry berthing the ships if at all possible, save them for as long as possible for future generations to see
I'm surprised they just don't build a heavy railway slipway into the water and put it onto dryland from their. Once you have the slipway you can move it at anytime back into the water. Seems cheaper than all these other ideas. Once its in position on rails on land build a triangle rig out of I-beams for either end of the ship to be permently fixed in position.
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