Kia Rondo - Extended Crank Time / Hard Start
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Come along with Eric O. at the SMA shop as he has a look at a Kia Rondo V-6 that was dropped off with customer complain of an "extended crank time" or a "hard to start" after it has sat about 5 minutes. We quickly narrow down the issue as a fuel delivery problem, but what is the cause? Stick around to find out! -Enjoy!
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I just wanted to thank you for posting videos. I have struggled with depression for several years and being part of the SMA audience makes me feel part of something really positive and you are never on your own, like going round to your friends garage to fix cars and have some banter. I am sure there are many other people out in CZcams land who are helped by being part of SMA.
I became friends wth some mechanics while delivering auto parts, it was my go to place whenever I had a problem or just needed a shoulder, you meet some interesting people also who come and go, like the snap on guy, guys coming by with items that fell off the back of a truck, porn tape sales guys selling pirated tapes, one unfortunately died a few years ago but I still keep in touch with one of the guys after the garage closed in 2006, I even went to their houses, if I needed to borrow tools, they even delivered an engine hoist and engine stand to my house when I needed it.
LR Disco I know exactly what you mean, sometimes I play SMA videos just to have something to listen to for distraction so I can “get out of my own head” for a while (it’s a dangerous place to be for me!) plus car repair is interesting to me, I’m not a mechanic but I’ve always done most of my own auto and boat maintenance and repairs so I’m learning useful stuff at the same time.
Couldn't agree with this statement more.
It's so much better waking up and watching an SMA video before work than turning on the news.
Giggiyygoo Truth bein' told right there.
News these days is depressing. 9 killed here, 6 stabbed there, 36 million without power. 3 Hurricanes and 6 tropical storms coming for Florida and Texas. An earthquake on 9.3 scale just hit Mexico, right after a solar flare exploded on 9/9 . In other news, Iphone now costs $999 and galaxy costs 666. Damn you CNN to hell. I agree with your comment. I go straight to CZcams before and after work to relax. I done disconnected that mainstream crap.
Giggiyygoo I thought I was the only one up at 4am watching south main auto lol!!!
I know this video is almost a year old, but I want to thank you. I have this exact vehicle down to the color. My issue became so severe it would not start at all. Your video was a God send.
I think your fix with the hose clamp is better than the factory plastic clips. If it was my vehicle I'd say she was fixed baby! I liked how you scratched a line to tell when the ring was moving and used it again to re-tighten to factory specs. Nice trick
Knowing used car dealers, that IS the fix. Doubt they'll spring for a new fuel pump if it's running.
Frankly, the way Eric has it fixed now is better than the OEM. Those clips look really thin and weak.
CO Jones Would not quite say better than OEM. The rest of the plastic will be brittle so something will give one day if the car survives long enough. Might be a better fix than some aftermarket module.
Run that fix as long as you can....Aftermarket fuel pump run in the mid $200...Kia dealer prices are over $400 for the assembly
My dad used to keep a box of chalk in his toolbox. He would use chalk for alignment marks and to Mark the timing marks so they would show up nice and bright with the timing light. I still have a Craftsman timing light from 1966 that was my dad's. It has two leads to go to the battery and one to go to plug one. I think I have another one that uses a inductive sensor that goes over the plug wire. I always like the first one better
I just had a hard start condition on my 2009 Tahoe. I had good fuel pressure key on engine off, and good pressure while running, but after I shut it off the pressure would slowly drop off, about 7 psi per minute. I popped the injectors out of the intake and after quite a bit of searching I found that #8 injector had a wet spot on it. I replaced the injector and the pressure is perfectly normal now, hard start condition cleared.
Thanks to watching your videos, I have put away my parts cannon and replaced it with actual diagnostic skills. Thank you Mr. O.
Now i have a hard start condition with my tahoe also but only after a long drive when i crank the engine again when its hot it takes a bit longer time, do you suggest looking up the injectors like you did?
No. That is a classic bad electrical thermostat condition. It is reading cold when the engine is hot. If you dont belive me Eric recently did a video on it, may want to check it out.
Longtrailside much appreciated sir, I'll try my luck try finding the video
I found my issue only after hooking up a fuel pressure gauge and seeing what my pressures were doing. I am not familiar with an "electrical thermostat" on this engine. My suggestion is if you suspect that might have an injector problem, get a reading on your fuel pressure and go from there.
Thanks! I just tore into my 08 Kia Rondo. That fitting was cracked, just like the one you worked on. I decided to risk it with the worm screw clamp like you did. It starts up just fine now. The hardest part was screwing off that 5 1/2" ring.
Let her go! Perfect fix, better than factory. The Dorman "kit" will be a hose clamp.
beechwood619 no the dorkman kit would be zip ties and glue, that was made in China! You install the zip ties and glue and let it sit 48 hours before installing it into the tank! At least Eric O's fix was a stainless steel hose clamp, probably made in the USA! AGAIN NICE FIX ERIC O
Wrong. The DORMAN kit is a bread tie! Jpol.
No, a 3" piece of Scotch tape.
Rock Auto sells pumps for these for under $10. the pressure hose has a crimp clamp holding it on. The website also says the original pump was made by Magneti Marelli. Kinda strange S. Korea went to Italy to buy fuel pumps when China is right next door.
Cool fix with the 20 cent hose clamp. That pump looks like an engineered failure point. Gotta keep the KIA parts dept. busy!
i had my lunch break watching that amazing guy
Nothing wrong with that fix, better than new! :-) Yes, I have heard of Kia Rondo - we have them here in Aus, classed as a mini people mover.
The Rondo is a Canadian model!
@@darrellward7483
Evidently, Aussie also. 😏
Good fix Eric if it was my car and you called me up ,I would say leave it with the hose clamp on it's better than factory ,your a whiz at fixing things
I have an extended crank too, happens every morning before I start 😄 Good video EricO
I have an extended crank... was blessed at birth
I just bought a 2007 Kia Rondo here in California about 4 months ago another very spacious no blind spots with those big windows but now I am starting to notice and extend crank when turning on the car I'm not a mechanic I don't know nothing of cars but this might be something my car is needs fix. Just finished watching your video and what a great job you've done and I'm Amazed
There are so many people that share information on CZcams each one cannot be thanked just because of the sheer number of people but this shining star here has my thanks for taking his time videotape his vast knowledge of cars. Thank you.
You are what i consider to be old school mechanic. Get over the problem and fix it rather than immediately fit new new new.
"Trust me I'm a mechanic." that pick up line worked for me back in high school and even today with the old lady
That's why mechanics rarely become politicians.
Mine had a ring like that which turns off, so guess what the directions said? It said "pop off" the retainer, or whatever. This is why watching this videos is so valuable.
I tell ya what Dr 0, your video editing skills are getting to be top notch... Your transition for the bigger hammer and the hose clamp were damn near seamless both in visual and audio
Always nice to have a bigger 🔨 hammer for those times when percussive maintenance is your go to option!
Kids! Stop playing with the fuel pump! Don't make me stop this car!
finkandsal lol
finkandsal
You win the internet for the day... 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Ooo a hyundai 2.7. I've been there, 2 mins in, I'm gambling on fuel injectors, flooding after resting.
Edit: Ah shit... Good find!
I'm impressed with your priorities go home and watch that movie.... you're a good man Charlie Brown!
Didn't seem like a priority. If it was he would have been there by seven like he promised. Probably not in a hurry to go home and watch another one of those kid movies.
Fixed better than new ! One thing I've noticed is how long starters last on fuel injected cars. Easy starting when things are working properly has taken most of the wear and tear off the starters. You could put a note in there with your business card explaining what you did and why. Date it and offer 10 bucks off on a factory repair if it ever fails and you'll also get your hose clamp back.
Roscoe Someone that's what I was thinking. Put a disclaimer note under that black cover. I bet that car goes to the junk yard before that cover ever comes off again. I do agree that liability is always a concern for mechanics.
When you crash a Kia Rondo it becomes a Kia Bondo.
lol omg i literally laughed loud as hell
With the way they put the fuel pumps together it might become a Kia Bombo
OMG! That's funny dude. I'm at an airport and people are wondering why I'm laughing out loud.
If you live in it, it's a Kia Condo.
If it's on Babylon 5, it's a Kia Londo.
If you give it to your oldest male child, it's a Kia Sondo.
A Hyundai Accent becomes a Hyundai accident lol
Proud of u Eric O
This is what we call FIX.
Not a part replacement .
First time watching his video and hit the subscribe button right after I finished it! You are the man! Great troubleshooting, lots of funny expressions, and the wife call at the end is like icing on the cake
Day off, coffee and Eric, gonna be a good day
You enjoy your movie with the family and Make sure your there at 7:18 Eric O Before Mrs O Cracks the whip again Good video as always Eric @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
All that extended crank over a few Plastic Tabs that broke What a Cheap fix little spiral Clamp and it's good to go ton of Tension on them 3 plastic tabs wow good quick repair hopefully it gets replaced good video as always Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
Thanks Eric, good segment I have been so pleased with my 08 Kia Rondo 2.7L V6 that I bought another used and just bought a parts one to fix the other two. The one I bought used is starting to have an extended crank so will check out the filter first as they can be finicky. Good call on the connector, I now see the after market ones have a direct hose rather then a connector to bypass that problem. Mechanic once told me to also keep tank at least half full so fuel pump is always covered and cool. Also use premium so ethanol doesn't do dirty deeds to the rubber and such. Love your channel, always enjoyable and educational. ⛽
Jeff Winter I bought my 07 new and have loved it, also thinking about buying another lower mile one. Love the cargo space and visibility.
lol * let me get a rag before she squirts *
Jonathan Tolbert giggity
*Extended crank*
Made me wonder what channel I was on!
@@bborkzilla people think computer geeks have no fun, we have firmware, hard drives, force feedback joysticks and plug n play!
"Hurry up captain, she's gona blow" -Scotty from Star Trek
Had a landlord named 'Rondo" once. He was missing a few hose clamps too.
thank you friends for take a time for make this video. you help me good bless you!!
hi there and thank you my car was the exact same a long crank and fired up eventually and the exact same problem as your in video
Appreciate the video man! Dealing with the same issue on my mom's rondo and they're wanting a ton of money to replace it but after this I'm super confident I can do it myself
That's why SMA and Eric O more specifically gets so many satisfied repeat customers. Whether the problem is electrical or just a plain broken tab on a perfectly good fuel pump, the end result is that the issue is caught and repaired. Eric O made the right call fixing the problem with the hose clamp. Im the first on this channel to want OEM supplied parts BUT to have the customer pay for a whole new fuel pump module because of 2 broken tabs is insane. The pump wasn't even broken but rather a poor cheap design by the Kia engineers. The clamp was secure and fixed the problem nicely. As expected he will notify the owner of what he found and give him any further options available if he chooses to replace the component. Even Eric O needs to fall in line on family movie night. Great job!
I can relate. Taking the seat out would be infinitely easier but that would be admitting defeat. NEVER!!!
My wife's car did the same thing i put a clamp on it 50 thu ago and still working.
I understand what you can do for your stuff that you cant do on a customer car.
This is a must watch video as this is now a documented regular failure on this pressure outlet tang
Nice work, Eric. Your solution is perfect and better than OEM (going to assume it's a stainless clamp). Just mention what you did to the customer, offer to do the full replacement if requested, being a car dealer he'll obviously decline, and move on. Enjoy the movie!
My 2009 Kia Borrego is having the same issue. Guess it's time to see if access is as easy as on that Rondo! Thanks for the great video!
Why do most foreign cars have an access to the fuel pump from inside the vehicle and American cars you have to drop the fuel tank to get to fuel pump? Even my 1977 Saab 99 had an inside access point....
Because its easier to repair and save labor costs.
Sean Spring
I have a 94 Chrysler LHS that has a access door under the trunk carpet. Its one of the very few cars Chrysler got right.
My 2017 Mitsu Lancer also had the same cover under the back seat.
Aristotle Yiannis those Chrysler's have that because the fuel tank is sandwiched between the body and the rear suspension system. Major pain in the a## to change the tank. Ive had to do a few, NOT fun.
My '93 Volvo 940 has the same thing, right in the trunk. Four 10mm hex bolts and she's right there. My '07 Silverado ... not so much ...
My 98 Ford F150 has an access panel for the fuel pump.............. Oh wait, that's because I put one there lol. It makes life so much easier now to just pull the bed liner out, remove the screws on my custom panel and bam, there's the pump.
Out of curiosity, I just checked the pictures on RockAuto. Suspiciously, none of the pics show the angle to see that hose connection on the aftermarket parts...I call shenanigans! Plus, its fixed....nice!
Was glad to see this video, I purchased Kia Rondo 2011 just 2 months ago, as my winter car. I did research on the vehicle, good reviews, & every time I saw one & the owner was there, asked for their opinion on it. Didn't get anything negative. It is like a micro minivan with lots of room. Had my mechanic look it over & he gave me a thumbs up. The price was very good, only had 80, 000 kms (48,000 mi.) The air compressor needs to be replaced but that wasn't a high priority for me, since it will be mainly a cooler weather vehicle for me, worry about it next year.
Known defects....this fuel pump fitting; A/C compressors - you found that out already, Window regualtors; AND - NEVER, EVER use anything but a Kia oil filter on the Theta Engine...ever!
this guy is the best ! i would drive 6 hours from long island to where he is , just to work on my car
Great video Eric, it was nice meeting you at the shop. Thanks for taking a minute out of your busy day to chat. I will have to stop down again sometime before the holidays and we can chat longer. On my way back to buffalo I drove by your brothers truck shop. He looked busy. Well thanks again for everything you do. Talk to ya later.
love your channel E-Man! Just saw this vid and I would ABSOLUTELY leave that repair in place! Totally FACTREEEeeee!
No skipping forward here sat through every frame
lol, as soon as you showed the time on the obd diag tool i looked at my time and it was 7:00pm too.
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Gotta be the cheapest fuel pump fix around.. I say send out and drive the beast! Usually when people here the word fuel pump they say oh crap gonna cost how many hundred's of dollars to fix. Good job Eric.
$400 + for the OEM pump plus one hour labor minimum
Thank you Eric O. I had a K car and when it warmed up would be perfect but on short hops e.g. 5 minutes it would only crank no start. Determined that the fuel would / could not shut off just keep dumping fuel and would flood out the engine. Corrected by disconnecting the electrical connection at the TB and crank till started of course now no fuel. Reconnect and restart and off you go till next time. B4 OBD2 but you could read the 22 and 55 codes. Don't miss those days in the middle of winter. Note, it was only a winter beater.
Eric, I would watch you just put in bolts or patch wires, it is not boring to me, thanks for the videos, love them all.
Dejavu for me only difference is that straw that is attached to the plastic piece backed it's way off. I had to fix it in the dark on the side of the road in the South where all you hear is the crickets chirping and the deer glaring at you 😎 Luckily it was a 2000 Impala with a Fuel Pump sevice hatch!
Eric O. is AWESOME!
No skipping ahead from me haha. Your commentary makes it worth watching.
I didn't skip ahead... I like to watch it all. Never know what I may miss. Lol
THAT LITTLE HOSE CLAMP WORKED OK, HOPE THE WEEKEND PROVED IT. I BUMPED INTO JOHN O TODAY AT ARBY'S AND HE SAID THAT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF O'S IN THE CHICAGO AREA AND HE DOESN'T THINK YOU ARE A RELATIVE OF HIS. I TOLD HIM TO WATCH YOUR CHANNEL ON YT :-)
Don't lie, when you said you feel like a caveman, you ment you feel like Timmy 😂😂😂 another awesome video Dr O!
Kind of the same thing right haha
I believe the Kia Rondo had a TSB for fuel pump problems on the 08-10 but have seen a lot of people saying it started in the 07 models for this same issue you have here, poor connection design and have a repair kit for them. probably a fancy aircraft quality stainless steel worm drive hose clamp. Which Dr. O has figured out on his own. :)
That's a fix right there :)
Bet the car salesman doesn't fit a new pump
Obviously not. His a salesman, he wants to make a quick buck. Putting in new parts doesn't make a quick buck, sadly.
Fixed if you ask me!
One Auto, absolutely. Will probably outlast the vehicle. Ide leave it if the clamp is stainless.
8ile I wouldn't even tell the prick what I did, I would just say it needs a new fuel pump.
Had the same symptoms with my '03 Kia Rio. Replaced the pump, made no difference. Replaced the fuel injectors, made no difference. Finally I just decided to live with the extended cranking time and then one day she just stopped doing it and starts normal now. No idea what the issue was or if it will return. I replace the fuel filter every 30k so I know that a clogged filter wasn't the issue.
I have a 2004 Volvo XC70 that had a crack on the top of the fuel pump in the plastic part that the gas goes through just before it exits the pump I filled the whole cavity with epoxy worked like a champ I think your fix is just fine. I’m sure the car salesman is just going to ship it.
Same fix as the older Jeep Cherokee, nice diagnostic
Nice little fix and I seriously doubt the used car guy does anything more. It will hold and I guess you could rough up the plastic a bit with emery cloth to ensure it grabs. What you did is probably better than factory.
I have a 07 Rondo with the 4 banger with 186,000 miles and you can hear the fuel prime before starting. You need a spanner like the one for a Milwaukee angle grinder to get the fuel pump ring off. They are good running cars. I put 80 miles a day on mine.
Gotta love the age of plastic, can't wait till our motors are all 100% plastic like those pull back and go cars I used to play with as a kid.
1)that has to be one of the easiest fuel pumps to get to.
2)anti-spark punch, LOL
3)those dang o-rings love to expand. one on a mercury cougar was hopeless, I'm not ashamed to say I cut it down to fit and dabbed a little RTV to seal it, worked like a charm.
If you were only intending to use the NAPA Pulley holder tool for this pump repair - you cound cut off the ends of the jaws with a wheel, change the pins to slightly longer, and shorten the longer handle with a cut off tool and reinstall the plastic handle - but I use mine for other fan clutch removal projects and didnt feel like burning the $26 to make a one use tool
there's your fix dealership, man those pumps don't look cheap, i agree, if that was my car that would be the fix "quality stainless steel clamp" until further problem noticed..
it sucks you are not nowhere close to where i live. ( i'm in Canada ). I don't know anyone i would bring my car fully confident i wouldn't get ripped off. I'm glad you share the knowledge and wisdom with us. I just realized today i was not subscribed lol. Been watching your video for a while though.
nice job Mr O. its obvious the deeper will ship it out the way it is they will surprise me if they give you the green light for this job I'll watch this space good call.
Thank you Eric!!!
who makes your "Launch" scanner? you didnt introduce us :-p
good eye there Eric and a good fix i think. you replaced plastic with metal and saved the customer money. and we learned something about what might cause a extended crank like that.
I never skip ahead. I wait for you're comments.
Nice evidence based drivers seat diagnosis sir! Thanks!
This was exactly the problem with my Kia rondo 08. Mine was cracked too. .79 cent clamp fixed the problem!
nice repair! short sweet, to the point. 1. 2. BBQ
I would market it as new and improved better than oem design! I'm sure everyone that would look at it, would agree! Good job!
Just thinking, 2 plastic tie wraps would do the same job, however the clamp won't come loose and better than the original. Vanessa has a good time keeping schedule going there and anyway, dinner is aready.
That’s so funny yes hard to find these😮
Thank you
Brilliant vid, must be one of a very few I've watched from beginning to end, no nonsense, straight talking dude, not full of his own BS. What about an update come Monday morning, did it start ?
ps I'd leave it like that too, looks like its fixed
Much much stronger than the factory design for sure!
Great video and even better shirt Eric! :) ~Mike
As long as the tabs match the slots, the clamp should still hold the fitting in. My 2001 Elantra would have almost the same symptoms (Slower more consistent leak down), long crank in the morning and drive fine all day then would crank normal after work. The check valve was getting gummed up so I added Chevron Techron injector cleaner and it cleared up in a couple of days! I started doing it 5 or 6 years ago about once a year and no problems since.
That is a permanent fix for me. Fuel pump is good so drive away. Great video.
very clever to fit a clamp i wonder what the replacement cost would have been for the pump, eric o genius
I like that Launch....I wish you could play with one of those before you buy...I am a DIY'er and my maxidas 708 is great but......I want a new toy, maybe with an "O" scope....that would be coool. Eric , you should have "O" scope give away......
Nice review. This is exactly why plastic designs need to have better quality built into them and they really should have a "rebuild" kit or an assortment of parts to replace those critical areas that will most likely fail. You wouldn't see this on an old GM gen 1 small block fuel pump but if it did fail, it would only cost $20 for the part while these pumps are well into the $100 and up range. Plastic's in ethanol fuel tanks/systems simply can't deal with the toxic fuel plus the age factors that also take tolls on plastics. There is a place for plastic and there are places it shouldn't be.
The hose clamp is a great temporary idea, I like it. I say temporary because it's likely that the nut/sleeve will eventually crack again.
i enjoyed your skills more especially when you went for a bigger hummer, for the clamp that was thoughtful
i was going to ask a new housing.
Even if not stainless steel that hose clamp will last longer than the car. It's a fix, and compared to the brittle plastic tabs designed to retain that fuel pump hose it is a huge improvement over the original.
Nice work Mr. O !!!!
What he should have done was cut strips of metal off another hose clamp with tin snips. Make them as wide as the retaining tabs on the pump body. Bend them 90 degrees at the ends so that they can go from the pump body tabs to the top of the hose connector. Install them and put a hose clamp over the whole thing. Boom! Better than factory repair.
Speaking of "Outta here like a pregnant chicks' belly button" are you expecting? I kinda noticed a glow with Mrs. O lately.
Nice one Mr O, that’s a considered and effective repair!
you and mrs O are so funny. great video!
Eric. leave a little note taped to the underside of that cover, saying you did a temp fix, and it was not
your decision to leave it 'cos sure as eggs are eggs he's not gonna buy a fuel pump, he'll sell
it as is.
I wish you were in Montoursville you would be my go to mechanic love your work
That's a fix! No question.
Definitely a used car dealer good enough fix!
Thanks!!!!!! I did exactly what you did and it fixed my problem!
No skipp'in ahead here MrO!
That's a permanent fix in my book or as I like to often say, "factory modification"...
It depends on the price of the pump. 110K miles, he's already in there, do the new pump with the clamp. But, its a used car salesman, they'll call it fixed and sell it as is. Unless there are actually honest used car salesman out there... yeah right, just like unicorns actually exist. Here's the thing, anyone in the area looking to buy the car might see this video, and if the pump wasn't replaced, their reputation goes to shit. Its an ROI question.
Seems like a no-brainer to me given the "option" of spending about 300.00 for a new pump versus 50 cent for a hose clamp....but hey, to each his own right...
Think they're about $200.00 What's the price of a tow, getting stuck who knows where, who knows when, and THEN having to do the pump. Fuel pumps fail with a lot less mileage that 110K.
If it were domestic, especially GM, vehicle I would definitely change, but this being Japanese/Korean manufacturer, I would leave it as is with the mod/repair...I've worked on thousands of vehicles over 20 years and barely ever have I found fault with Japanese/Korean fuel pumps...Furthermore, these aftermarkets replacements are pure junk and in my opinion, installing one of these IS pretty much begging for the tow truck and/or comeback....
Happy wrenching...
Gotcha.