Hi! I'm the girl from the video. Thank you for writing your comments. It was interesting to read each one, because it gives an opportunity to see the situation from all sides and opinions. The video is open for viewing and training sessions with the consent of the co-pilot. I hope everyone who has watched the video will take something valuable out of this situation for themselves. This is an important experience for us, we will be glad if it helps someone else.
Hi! Thanks for participating and very glad you both are ok! I thought you both did great during a stressful time. I was wondering why you had trouble bringing in your glider after depolyment? And which lines were you pulling on to bring it in? Was that a brake line, or a forward line? Very interested in hearing more about it! Thanks!
My friends and I have been discussing this to evaluate why it happened and how we can avoid a similar situation in our flying. Everyone has close-calls and we thank you for sharing yours. I'm glad you are both ok.
For any paragliding student out there: this is why we should always turn the same circles in bubbles. At 1:55 there was already a near miss which should have prompted you to leave the bubble. The other guy was taking way too much risk staying in this bubble IMHO. If this was the only bubble for miles around I would at least have kept my eye on him after that near miss. There are always pilots who are comfortable taking more risk or who are not very situationally aware let's say. This guy gave me the creeps right when you began turning against each other when you entered the bubble. At 2:25 he passed again and you did not anticipate his "I'm on my own here" attitude. So glad to see you kept your calm untangling your reserve. Well done. I'm not sure I would have done better frankly.
she could have looke to her left....at anytime in her thermal direction and gained the perspective your talking about. personal awareness wont come from a pilot with one sided head. basically flying in circles without ever looking in the opposite direction. very silly behavior by all.
PG pilot here, weird camera work but it appears the wasp pilot was scanning properly while coring; the guy that flew into her was flying poorly, in and out of the thermal before he flew into her.
She did, I counted 5. Besides, you concentrate on the gliders above you and below you in the climb. It's rare, but melon heads do bust into a thermal anywhere they feel like it so you're right, she should have been scanning more of the gaggle.@@brandonreid7528
@@flightographist Hey Maverick. I couldn’t care less. If I could I would. When one does these kinds of activities and they go wrong, I wouldn’t give it a nano second of a thought. Have a great time.
I'm a hangglider pilot and one thing I hate is flying with others. I honestly do not understand the attraction of flying close to others but often other pilots would comment about how cool it is to fly with others. None sense
Thanks for posting the video. We can learn from your situation and so much from the footage. Thank goodness one of the reserves deployed successfully and you both survived a potentially catastrophic accident.
nothing about either of those deployments showed any issue with the pack job. @ 2:59The woman threw her reserve into the other glider's lines, the reserve handle hung up on the other pilot's glider suspension line, then she flails innefectually at the reserve lines, never tried to untangle the handle, failed for a full 30 seconds to pull the last stow of lines out of the deployment bag. The lines she flails at get tangled in the glider, the deployment bag stays tangled in the glider until landing. she never threw the reserve when she had the handle in her hand, except perhaps directly at the other dude and his glider, and succeeded in tangling her reserve handle, and deployment bag, in the other pilot's glider. Looks to me like the blue yellow glider is at fault, initiating the turn head on into the woman he's been flying with for 10 minutes. both of them should have seen it coming more than 90 degrees before impact, No excuse. lower glider right of way doesn't apply when you've been at nearly the same level for minutes, wandering around in partially overlapping circles. Then he disables his own main, and her reserve and they both land under his square only they both panicked.
Good job getting the first reserve out so fast, and then getting the second out despite the handle getting caught up in the lines. Glad you both are ok.
We are all humans and all make mistakes. Thanks to the Lady sharing the video, very important for the flying community, so we can see and learn. Glad both pilots are OK!
@sotir popov "We are all himans and all make mistakes" ...yes...its true but it's also the typical excuse to mask idiots and silly behaviours in the air. There are some errors that MUST be prevented because it's possible and is mandatory for safety. This is one of them. A proof of what I mean is for example the crazy situation in the air of most crowded flight spots. Hundreds and hundreds of idiots in the air with their pg and flying a thermal is really risky. The tons of accidents (where the statistics indicate always the same nationalities in the top of the rankings) indicate clearly how all humans make mistakes but some much more then others.... and there is a simple answer for that; lack of preparation and respect for others!!!
I can sense your frustration Davide and that's understandable. What I think though, in critical situations like this, pointing fingers and using strong words will not fix the problem. Better approach is Education. Nobody wants to be involved and by purpose to fly into another guy. Instead of ignoring and pushing them aside, constructive criticism, healthy discussion and Education is what I think would help to prevent further incidents like this one. And Natalia did a great job, stepping up and sharing this video, which I believe is a perfect way to show to the rest of the community where the danger is and how and what we should do to prevent it in the future.
@@sotirpopov3533 yes, you said right... because... (I don't know you...) but I started flying in 1992... and nothing changed in those years about stupid behaviours and dangerous behaviours in gaggle flying, especially in pg world. There are tons of great pilots flying pg but, as since the first days of this way of flying, pg has a wide range of people flying it due to its apparently simplicity... and that means there are a lot that are not pilots in their mind and should not fly at all with others. Yes...this could be an isolated case... but statistics say that it's not. And words words and words in the last years changed nothing.
@@sotirpopov3533 you are incorrect about mid-air collisions. I saw one guy intentionally fly into the rear end of another guy. The parachutes bumped and the guy who flew into the rear end swung up on the panel of effect and hit the other guy in the rump during the collision. Everything was square lined up nothing got tangled and the guy who ran into him did it on purpose because he was laughing maniacally while he was flying away. I just bought a used epsilon 9 and the lessons are coming up and I'm going to learn to fly. I miss my old friends that have died and I wish they could get brought back to life and get a wing to fly. It would be great sport when one person rear-ended together if it was me and my old friends there'd be no way we could have seen that video and everybody wouldn't be rear-ending each other. I have no fingers to point and no one to blame and I don't think nationality has anything to do with the accident. I would suggest everybody check that reserve pretty often.
Very far from me the idea to teach, but, apart of the avoidable collision, the launch of the reserve was really bad....no training at all, it seems... a very slow extraction and no throw. Luckily you were high a lot. Am I wrong?
This one is quite educative.... so much going wrong here (pilot path, reserve throw, reserve oppening, wing neutralization, ....), yet they end up safe.
Hi all. Very educative video! First of all happy to read that nothing serious happened! When I watched the video first time - obviously knowing that something will go wrong and obviously from the pilots perspective - I first thougth " ough ... flying towards a big cloud of pilots is never nice, probably a comp?", but a bit later I thought: "I would keep an eye on this Ozone pilot, no matter if he will climb towards his height, it feels as if he is not aware, that the entered the thermal later and in a dangerous alternative circle ..." and then again "oooh ... that would have been close if this glider whould have got an extra lift" . On 2.40 you can see that he flies straight (with his back towards "us", even does a little left turn and then decides to turn right hard - right into "us") So: most important rule - still ! - always clear your turn before turning!!!! But also, I think that from "our" perspective, she could have anticipated that problem. I am pretty sure, that I would have kept an eye on that ozone coming in below me and later and doing unclear maneuvers. But I also agree, that correcting her own position (obviously that ozone did have a better climb) might have helped as well. Afterwards I really think she kept very calm most of the time. That was good! Not so good of course to catch the other pilot with the reserve ... :( Thanks for sharing!
I hope you’re both okay. Lots to learn from this incident for all us pilots. Always keep your head on a swivel. Throw right away always. Look BEFORE you turn. Thanks for sharing this. I hope you are able to get back in the air soon and have safe enjoyable flights.
Thanks for sharing and glad you are all okay. Ive been flying 22 years and my biggest fear is a mid air collision it should also be every pilots biggest but sadly it isn't.
My biggest fear is getting wrapped in the wing and being unable to throw the reserve. I've had a few people crash into me (mostly during a competition, and some fool flies right through the middle of the gaggle) without consequence. Other big fear, which happened once, is flying over big power lines, hitting a thermal and having the glider go parachutal.
@@t.wadegonder1288 unfortunately paragliding has become more popular and more pilots. I was flying in Algodanales Southern Spain in December last year and the conditions were high pressure set in for a while so you could stay up on the mountain but try flying out and you would probably go down. One day I saw the number of pilots waiting to take off so was one of the first to launch when conditions were really marginal , I managed to stay up on the mountain for 40 minutes before the whole bloody crowd on the launch started to come off , I remember looking down and thinking this is going to get crazy busy very soon so I went and landed , not long afterwards there was a mid air collision and one German pilot sadly died. Unfortunately some of the more popular places have become so busy , Annecy , Bassano , Algodonales etc etc that they are becoming places i will probably stop flying.
You're making me happy friend. I don't know anyone else here and I haven't seen anyone else flying here. I'm getting a used epsilon 9 and lessons on how to fly it. I don't know how well this is going to go being here all alone but there's not going to be anyone else to run into.
Ive looked at this many times ..The female pilot looks to be doing wide turns in a separate part of a thermal while a group of other pilots are performing tighter circles in another part of the thermal.. on several occasions it should have become obvious that their paths were intersecting. I get the pilot below has right away etc but I don't buy he didn't see the female pilot on the 2 times he came close to her when their paths intersected. 1st he should have adjusted his path once he realized they were coming close together 2nd the female pilot should have either entered the same circle or left to final lift away from the other thermaling pilots.. Both to me are to blame.. but its obvious to me the rising pilot should have recognized that she was a novice in skill by the way she was doing wide circles on the edge of the thermal and adjusted his path as well..
Velocidad y altura (sobre todo en este caso) te salvan la dentadura. Lo de revisar el emergencia para que abra sí o sí en cualquier circunstancia no es tonteria. El resto (control del tráfico), mejor en para otro momento. De los errores no siempre se puede aprender, en este caso, afortunadamente, si. Buenos (y seguros) vuelos!
Excellent video, i think that even if she was looking for him, she would not have time to avoid collision. But when you're on top, you need to open up to those who comes from below.
Imo it looks like Ozone pilot flew right at her. He had much better visibility in the right turning direction then she did. This just reminds me of how I don’t want to thermal with people I don’t know. Or just keep lots of distance
Easy to comment from the comfort of my couch but... lack of situational awareness on both pilots, sudden changes in flight path while in proximity of other gliders, dodgy reserve packing... It's fantastic nobody got hurt here. And yes, while the pilot above is in charge of ensuring the safety of pilots below, at the time of impact they the collide nearly head on so they're flying on the same level. This was totally preventable and it's great to have such great footage to allow everyone to learn from it. Many thanks for posting.
@@wild2flyparagliding160 yes and no, I guess it was mutual and she did a wider last spiral turn. But another pilot was absolutely wrong not trying to turn left, he could see her
Thank you for sharing this video. That is brave. I am very glad to read that you both are well. I am not a an experienced pilot yet so my feedback is probably not that valuable. Traffic awareness apart. They are key notes I would point to. 1) In PG the higher the safest as seen here. 2) re-packing the reserve by competent personal, at least every year or after events that will affect the opening is important, as seen in the video. 3) when throwing the reserve, you can see how the male pilot was quick in collecting the glider, while the female pilot was struggling opening the reserve, her glider want to fly, and it was fighting the parachute until ending pointing to the ground, accelerating the sink rate even more (one reserve opened with overweight). It is so impressed how calm both pilots were… VERY IMPRESSIVE. I will consider watching this video several time to expose myself to the stress and then picture what would I do in the same situation, with the hope of training my mind into automatically reacting under distress. Finally, damn my country is beautiful… what a landscape. I need to fly in home land for sure.
skydiver here with a few thousand jumps. Having had many malfunctions, both high speed(freefall with bridal entanglement or fouled main pack on tandem rigs) and slow speed like line twists and even two canopies out, but never a collision. The simple fact is, when the time comes, time slows and you focus on tasks in my experience. Task lock can be a detriment, so it's still important to maintain big picture vision. But as my first instructor told me. When things go wrong, you breath and work the problem with the goal of getting as much wing or drag out as you can. Focusing on collapsing a second wing below 500 ft can make things way worse. Survivability is typically a function of quick reaction but also knowing when to stop pulling or cutting lines and just fly what you have if the risk of making it worse is high. Inducing a spin low to the ground is what most often results in the higher impact speed at angles perpendicular to the planet coming at you. This negates any attempt at PLF energy absorption. Every situation is unique, but you are right to place your mind in that situation, over and over and think about what your not thinking about. Know all your options and when to accept suboptimal and focus on the best impact position and reaction. Blue skies!
So good emotions management, coolness, good teamwork, so difficult to apply in such a critical situation, bravo to you both, you have earned the right to stay alive : )
Allow me to take a moment to clear up some misconceptions about some terms used by some pilots in the posts. Clearing a turn is a procedure that was invented over 100 years ago by pilots that were about to practice flight maneuvers (tight banked turns, stalls, acrobatics, etc.). They would fly straight and then turn slowly right or left 90 degrees to increase their view of the airspace by 90° and then turn again another 90°. Thus, completing a 360° view before beginning their maneuvers. They had to do this because they had a fuselage behind them. And the same held true for helicopters when they came along. Paragliders and hang glider pilots have the ability to see in almost a 270° circle when flying straight, by turning just their head (without a fuselage in the way). They only need to turn 90° to clear the 360° view before they begin any maneuvers. When you are in a thermal turning, there is no need to "clear a turn" as you have supposedly already done that before entering. Now, your job is to see and avoid and think about those other pilots that have limited visibility in comparison to you. Someday, a powered aircraft or sailplane may be near you when you're flying an ultralight, and now you know what his slow 90° turns mean. He is clearing to start maneuvers that you don't want to be anywhere near.
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At 2:38 watch the pilot off in the distance, just in front of her nose - they're gonna meet real soon. You can track the other glider involved from 0:28. There are times that they get uncomfortably (for me) close. Then the other glider moves somewhat further away. It all looks like chaotic s*** to this hang glider pilot. If I had to pin the majority of the fault on someone, it'd be on the other glider...
Is there a quick disconnect built into the harness? I am a nonflyer, but interested in learning. It seems that this should be anticipated for and injury prevented through the use of a quick disconnect feature, perhaps a system with multiple intentional steps required to avoid accidental disconnects. Maybe a pull cord that severs the link between pilot and lines, with a safety carabiner that must first be removed before allowing the disconnect.
Happy to ear that your both ok. Very important to know how your rescu work. How to drop it. Because you have to DROP it. Not to "unravel" it. Better to practice it in landwork before you need it on the air for real. Good fly everyone.
I am new to paragliding, why did the reserve get tangled in the first place. Nobody knows how the will react until the accident actually happens. I believe both pilots did well for the situation they were in, the male pilot looked like he was in complete control and giving direction to the female pilot, almost as this was not his first rescue.
it didn't deploy....because it was thrown at a human and lines, instead of waiting for clean air, chance to toss it. just panics and tosses into everything BUT clean air. after this it wraps part of his still partially open main....and some of the lines are tangled around her. i thought her own reserve would choke her out. lucky
I spent quite a few years skydiving, and the same is true for that sport. Mid air collisions under canope can be disastrous. Parachutist magazine lists all reported accidents, the outcomes and the causes to better inform jumpers and increase awareness, and hopefully keep people out of trouble.
What kind of paraglider is circling the pilot in that strange way? Dragging in the front one moment, and lagging behind the next... I fly paragliders but have never seen anything like this!
I saw the ozone glider flew from other area to the lift the girl was thermaling, he should've observed the direction the BGD glider was turning into, but he didn't. Reckless.
@@t.wadegonder1288 We all chase the gliders going up faster than us, right? If he wanted to join a thermal, he should observe the direction the pilots were turning into.
listen to her computer....she is in half lift. in large pattern. they are in tight pattern full lift. they are coming up to her. they have right of way. they are bigger in number flying in pattern. she flies with her head to the right. never looks left. danger danger danger. if your the solo bird high, half in the thermal. make way for the big crows coming up. simple rules prevent simple deaths
Do we have tracks (GPX, IGC?) for both pilots? If so could you upload them on STL.sport and create a scene from them? Stats for fall rate would be interesting to study
Glad you guys are okay, I would have refrained from tossing the reserve because you had two good chutes already inflated, and throwing that reserve is a 50-50 chance of fouling the good ones, luckily it worked out for you guys
Tangled chutes are not good chutes. It a perfect world bottom cuts away then top cuts away into double reserve. Inflation doesn’t matter if one chute is spinning down. Pull reserves immediately under this situation. The tangled chutes are a death sentence.
@@iWork3dyou're missing the point. There was an inflated reserve, and an inflated main canopy....... who cares if you're tangled up, they still had lift because they're still inflated....... Tossing out that reserve she was trying deploy was already bag locked, and did you see her spaghetti mess of suspension lines all tangled while trying to throw it? You throw that bag of shit out, and take a risk of fouling the already 2 good chutes they had which will save life and limb...... if that reserve got those wrapped, you go from 2 good chutes and 2 bad chutes...... to 4 bad chutes and ZERO lift ...... That's what kills people......she threw that reserve and look what happened....... tangled in the already fouled up chutes and didn't inflate
Hallo Наталья, glad you both are OK. To avoid such situations ist`s better to line up behind the oher pilots and fly after them. The pilot with the ozone buzz is searching the best thermal point and flies unpredictably. At 2:21 you are flying your curve and you fly towards each other. The buzz pilot is about 10 meter under you. At 2:24 he narrows his turning radius. At 2:36 he ends his turn for a short while while you are flying a tight curve with weight heavily on the inside og the curve. At 2:41 the buzz pilot decides to turn to the right and i'm convicted he wasn't looking in the direction he was going to fly. You had no chance to evade him to avoid the collision.
@@alzziona_true Glad that both of you are OK. Unlike you, I am not trying to become a pilot. I am learning Russian language and my analysis from the footage: I heard the word 'сука' was pronounced perfectly several times. I would have done the same thing! из Индонезии.
Couple of thing I noticed: 1) The camera perspective makes us view things from the woman's point of view, so we would be biased to judge things her way -- especially since the fisheye camera makes it hard to judge the relative positions and flight paths. 2) The collision was always going to happen this way, because in the overlapping parts of the circles, the woman was going headwind (slow) and the Buzz pilot was going downwind (fast). There is a good amount of guessing in this, as it's difficult to judge, but that was my impression. 3) Prior to the accident, the woman yells out to the Buzz pilot to keep away (apparently). This is a no-go. If you're uncomfortable with the separation, don't yell at other pilots: Choose a different flightpath. Different people have different comfort levels with different separations. If you are unhappy with the separation, don't yell at others to change their flying -- it's not their duty to make you feel comfortable in the air. You both have the same equipment (steerable gliders), so steer your glider away. In this accident, the pilots apparently didn't even speak the same language, which highlights the importance of this point even more. 4) Both pilots are in very flat turns, often going straight for a good bit. The woman seems to go pretty straight a couple of seconds prior to the collision and thus gets closer to the Buzz pilot, who turns quite abruptly. I'm guessing the Buzz pilot would not have seen the other glider even if he had done a 90 degree check (but again, this is a bit guesswork). Overall, both pilots don't look at each other often enough: Given their distance and the danger involved they should have been actively tracking the other pilot at all times. In this situation, I wouldn't have initiated a proper turn unless I had known 100% where the other glider was. 5) The Buzz pilot immediately throws the reserve. Maybe that's how it's taught at SIV but in real life, there is a possibility that the gliders disentangle and both pilots fly away. Given the height, it would have been an option to wait and see what the gliders do (but immediately throwing the reserve is not a mistake, as waiting comes with its own risks and can harm especially an entangled pilot). 6) The woman's reserve handle gets entangled and her attempts to disentangle it seem ineffective. It's possible that she couldn't see what the problem was. The camera captures it clearly (the reserve handle is entangled), but she was tilted away from the reserve and the harness may have occluded her view. Moreover, it's difficult to see such details when you're thrown around in the air. 7) The woman tries and fails to pull the glider in. She seems to be pulling only a few lines, as is recommended, but still can't disable the glider. It's important to remember that a glider can be stronger than us. You would usually try to disable the glider when the reserve pops out and takes the pressure away from the glider, but in this situation the opening is more gradual and there may not have been that critical timepoint. Knowing other methods of disabling gliders (wrapping the brakes multiple times or choosing a line on the side of the glider) may have helped. Finally: Thank you very much for posting this video, I love analysing these videos and learning from them. I am glad that both pilots are ok, and I hope they are both still flying happily! :-)
I'll reply to my own post because on second viewing, I realised the woman's reserve didn't seem to open properly at all. That may have made it extra-difficult to pull in the glider, so maybe no surprise she didn't succeed in that.(?)
I feel prior the collision, you check the other paraglider and stop turning strongly. If you had keep turning strongly, you would avoid the other paraglider!!! The other paraglider was probably surprised you stop turning!
@@t.wadegonder1288 quiet good analysis. also in paragliding, paragliders at the bottom have priority with respect toparagliders at the top (because of the wing above the head that block the view). also the other paraglider was much lower at the start of the video, so he was really at the center of the thermal ascent and have priority about the other paraglider circling outside the core of the thermal ascent.
that was cool:) how forgiving is this type of aviation?...mass times velosity squared equls force....a head on between 2 aircraft here..you do not survive aircraft head ons in any other aircraft...the decent had a lot of drag so it was slow even with only 1 reserve.
Excellent job at remaining calm and working to get the diaper bag unstuck and deploying the reserve. Never give up until you are on the ground. Glad you both are ok
She never really got a reserve out though. I suppose any fabric above you helps but it looks like they came down under one good reserve and a downplaning BGD Wasp.
@@pjm204 I guess it depends on how you look at it. At 3:40 she successful got it out of the diaper bag. With all the lines and harnesses and close proximity of things blocking the reserve from fully inflating I think she did extremely well having had those conditions.
I am *super* impressed with the female pilot, all around. I would call this pretty solidly 50/50 responsibility on both pilots, but everything that could go wrong, did. Murphy's law was in full force, & the Buzz pilot was yelling & not helping.
@@finitetriumph he was yelling cus she was putting his life at risk! Took ages to throw the reserve and then didn't pull the glider in, I'm guessing the ground coming up at him fast made him loose his temper abit 🙄
What do you consider remaining calm? It was the worst demonstration of flying from both pilots. They came too close on multiple occasions and the failed deployment of the second reserve was down to panicking alone. Be careful commenting on situations you are clearly not trained for.
У нас тоже была такая... Когда летали в динамике и вижу что она взлетает я сразу на посадку шёл, постоянно с ней косяки были и также врезалась на моих глазах, причём летает давно, слава Богу она завязала с парапланеризмом!!!
@@vlastelina74 что то похожее на GoPro Max, камеры с обзором 360 градусов умеют убирать палку из кадра. На параплан.ру есть вариант этого же видео со сферическим обзором.
How can you do a sudden turn to the right like that without looking in that direction first? Clearly the guys fault...Very dangerous to fly with pilots like that closeby
@@t.wadegonder1288 well what I can see in the video is that you turned to the right before flying into her and after my 5000 flights of experience I think I am able to give an opinion , I had many times situations like that before. Allways look around in all directions twice before changing flight-direction. Have a good day
It may have looked like a sudden turn in direction from the footage (because the female pilot was turning to the right as well), but to me it looks like he was just doing the same size of circle as he has been doing for minutes...
Все птицы в одном термике встают в одну спираль. То же самое надо делать и парапланеристам. I mean: a flock of birds in the same thermal quickly form a single uniform spiral. The same rule applies to paragliders.
What an incredible and beautiful video. Thanks for sharing. It is hard to tell details but I enjoyed watching and will definitely share it. I have heard how very crowded Colombia can be.
Glad to hear everybody is ok. 1- after the problem starts you did the best moves.congrats. 2-before it starts, please never let it start. God bless you.
Turning right, but focused almost exclusively to the right, rarely scanning left or forward. In a crowded thermal, danger can come from ANY direction and any altitude, not just in the direction you are turning.
К слову, на видео отлично видно, что такое на практике 30+ км/ч. Скорость параплана небольшая и это расслабляет. Однако, это все-таки 10+ метров в секунду и если наметилась "встреча", то надо не тупить и действовать ОЧЕНЬ быстро. На все про все у вас одна, максимум две секунды.
Glad you are both ok. Please carry a hook knife and practice reaching for it in flight. Regardless of fault there was very good instruction from the Buzz pilot that certainly helped the situation.
Something I’ve not seen mentioned yet - have heard strong advice never to put hands through the brake handles. If you watch the 360 vid (czcams.com/video/XkvM48OFKlU/video.html) slo-mo, BGD pilot is lucky her hands weren’t pinned when the Buzz lines wrap around her risers. You can see her struggle to pull her right hand free to reach for the reserve handle. Could explain the delay in going for the reserve. Lost an experienced acro pilot Z (who flew with brake handles around his wrists) years ago in an SIV when his risers twisted + pinned his gloved hands. He couldn’t free either hand from the brake handles to attempt deployment.
HE ALMOST KILLED HER! That guy is a bully! He smashes into her starts screaming at her then attaches himself to her so he can drag her to the ground causing her to crash! At 4:04 he deliberately kicks her in the face!!
Укладка запаски конечно да пиздец а пилотировала она правильно в отличии от того кто в неё влетел. Ну он то хоть запаску уложил как надо и сразу выбросил её
Pretty horrendous. She looked right when he turned into her. Don’t think she did anything wrong to be honest. Glad they were both ok, looked like a low impact landing.
I gotta watch again but why did it take so long to pull ur reserve? And why was it so wrapped up? I don't even fly with a reserve but will definitely start after watching this.
I salute you for your perseverance and great effort in this exceptional and embarrassing situation, and I am proud of you and I hope that such a raised incident will not be repeated.I'm from the Arab Gulf I love you
I dont know anything about this sport. However, if it was me, I would be training myself to pull my reserve properly. That looked like a right mess and if she has been in an emergency on her own she may not had had the time to pull her reserve. Those skills need to be fine tuned, next time you may not be so lucky. Glad it worked out this time.
Birds of a feather love to fly together... You should watch videos of competition "gaggles". With following of the basic right of way rules this kind of thing very, very, rarely happens. The rest of the time it maximizes use of rising air and helps pilots stay in lift.
The camera pilot seems to keep looking forward, right and up, but never left. Even if you're circling to the right, you need to keep looking left every few seconds, especially in busy air. That's not to absolve the other pilot of his share of responsibility.
yes well, but if u are circling right and on the left somebody flies into you, what the hell would be supposed to do? There is a reason why right of way is given to the one who is circling.
@@svetre87 when to late to bale out left turn right as hard as you can. Spin the glider, stall it before you are in the flight path of the other. These are some options if the pilot of the camera hade looked to the left.
@@rasmuspersson6910 nah not really. The camera pilot even saw the other glider and even tried to react, but it was to late. The pilot who caused the accident did a surprise maneuver that even seeing it I wouldn't understand what is happening.
@@svetre87 the accident was easy to spot already from the start of the video when you can see that they are not circling in somewhat the same circle and the lower pilot climbs faster. This should have been detected and the pilot in top should have adjusted to go into the lower pilots circle. It was not a surprise move from that pilot from below, the pilot with the camera could have turned tighter, i have done it but it is not fun to go into hard spiral inside a thermal with other gliders below. The filming pilot should have aimed to take the turn behind the lower pilot, both are at blame it takes to to make a collision.
hi @antondontcov9250, I think you are the owner of the video. I'm developing an emergency release system that significantly reduces the problem of the handle getting caught in the cords. Can I use your video to explain the problem I'm trying to solve?
Beautiful! Lady didn't panic and immediately started knitting a new reserve from a big ball of yarn she brought with her for the flight. A day saved!
Lol- knitting 😂
Haha
@Monkeetime friggin hilarious man.
😂😂😂😂😂
I hate you, this souldn't be remotely funny, don't make me laugh like that!
Hi! I'm the girl from the video.
Thank you for writing your comments. It was interesting to read each one, because it gives an opportunity to see the situation from all sides and opinions.
The video is open for viewing and training sessions with the consent of the co-pilot. I hope everyone who has watched the video will take something valuable out of this situation for themselves. This is an important experience for us, we will be glad if it helps someone else.
Hi! Fist, glade you are Ok and the other pilot too! Thank You for sharing youre video, is important for the others Pilot´s. Good Flights!
Hi! Thanks for participating and very glad you both are ok! I thought you both did great during a stressful time.
I was wondering why you had trouble bringing in your glider after depolyment?
And which lines were you pulling on to bring it in? Was that a brake line, or a forward line?
Very interested in hearing more about it! Thanks!
Thank you for sharing your experience. I hope you are doing well.
My friends and I have been discussing this to evaluate why it happened and how we can avoid a similar situation in our flying. Everyone has close-calls and we thank you for sharing yours. I'm glad you are both ok.
You and the crazy guy are healthy? Please train to throw your rescue😁😉
For any paragliding student out there: this is why we should always turn the same circles in bubbles. At 1:55 there was already a near miss which should have prompted you to leave the bubble. The other guy was taking way too much risk staying in this bubble IMHO. If this was the only bubble for miles around I would at least have kept my eye on him after that near miss. There are always pilots who are comfortable taking more risk or who are not very situationally aware let's say. This guy gave me the creeps right when you began turning against each other when you entered the bubble. At 2:25 he passed again and you did not anticipate his "I'm on my own here" attitude. So glad to see you kept your calm untangling your reserve. Well done. I'm not sure I would have done better frankly.
she could have looke to her left....at anytime in her thermal direction and gained the perspective your talking about. personal awareness wont come from a pilot with one sided head. basically flying in circles without ever looking in the opposite direction. very silly behavior by all.
PG pilot here, weird camera work but it appears the wasp pilot was scanning properly while coring; the guy that flew into her was flying poorly, in and out of the thermal before he flew into her.
never looked left even once.
near misses were happening 2 times.
both pilots oblivious
She did, I counted 5. Besides, you concentrate on the gliders above you and below you in the climb. It's rare, but melon heads do bust into a thermal anywhere they feel like it so you're right, she should have been scanning more of the gaggle.@@brandonreid7528
Ahahahahaa. I always come to these types of videos for the aces in the comments.
Yup, the verge is always way faster than your brain can process, that's why experienced pilots in a thermal climb are scanning. @@dystopian..
@@flightographist Hey Maverick. I couldn’t care less. If I could I would. When one does these kinds of activities and they go wrong, I wouldn’t give it a nano second of a thought. Have a great time.
I'm a hangglider pilot and one thing I hate is flying with others. I honestly do not understand the attraction of flying close to others but often other pilots would comment about how cool it is to fly with others.
None sense
Thanks for posting the video. We can learn from your situation and so much from the footage. Thank goodness one of the reserves deployed successfully and you both survived a potentially catastrophic accident.
Wow that was intense! A good example of why regular reserve repacks are necessary.
Glad both pilots made it out okay.
Got my heart beatin just watching! wow
nothing about either of those deployments showed any issue with the pack job. @ 2:59The woman threw her reserve into the other glider's lines, the reserve handle hung up on the other pilot's glider suspension line, then she flails innefectually at the reserve lines, never tried to untangle the handle, failed for a full 30 seconds to pull the last stow of lines out of the deployment bag. The lines she flails at get tangled in the glider, the deployment bag stays tangled in the glider until landing. she never threw the reserve when she had the handle in her hand, except perhaps directly at the other dude and his glider, and succeeded in tangling her reserve handle, and deployment bag, in the other pilot's glider.
Looks to me like the blue yellow glider is at fault, initiating the turn head on into the woman he's been flying with for 10 minutes. both of them should have seen it coming more than 90 degrees before impact, No excuse. lower glider right of way doesn't apply when you've been at nearly the same level for minutes, wandering around in partially overlapping circles.
Then he disables his own main, and her reserve and they both land under his square only they both panicked.
Good job getting the first reserve out so fast, and then getting the second out despite the handle getting caught up in the lines. Glad you both are ok.
The doofus that flew into her is barking orders now?
We are all humans and all make mistakes. Thanks to the Lady sharing the video, very important for the flying community, so we can see and learn. Glad both pilots are OK!
@sotir popov "We are all himans and all make mistakes" ...yes...its true but it's also the typical excuse to mask idiots and silly behaviours in the air.
There are some errors that MUST be prevented because it's possible and is mandatory for safety.
This is one of them.
A proof of what I mean is for example the crazy situation in the air of most crowded flight spots.
Hundreds and hundreds of idiots in the air with their pg and flying a thermal is really risky. The tons of accidents (where the statistics indicate always the same nationalities in the top of the rankings) indicate clearly how all humans make mistakes but some much more then others.... and there is a simple answer for that; lack of preparation and respect for others!!!
I can sense your frustration Davide and that's understandable. What I think though, in critical situations like this, pointing fingers and using strong words will not fix the problem. Better approach is Education. Nobody wants to be involved and by purpose to fly into another guy. Instead of ignoring and pushing them aside, constructive criticism, healthy discussion and Education is what I think would help to prevent further incidents like this one. And Natalia did a great job, stepping up and sharing this video, which I believe is a perfect way to show to the rest of the community where the danger is and how and what we should do to prevent it in the future.
@@sotirpopov3533 yes, you said right... because... (I don't know you...) but I started flying in 1992... and nothing changed in those years about stupid behaviours and dangerous behaviours in gaggle flying, especially in pg world.
There are tons of great pilots flying pg but, as since the first days of this way of flying, pg has a wide range of people flying it due to its apparently simplicity... and that means there are a lot that are not pilots in their mind and should not fly at all with others.
Yes...this could be an isolated case... but statistics say that it's not.
And words words and words in the last years changed nothing.
@@sotirpopov3533 you are incorrect about mid-air collisions. I saw one guy intentionally fly into the rear end of another guy. The parachutes bumped and the guy who flew into the rear end swung up on the panel of effect and hit the other guy in the rump during the collision. Everything was square lined up nothing got tangled and the guy who ran into him did it on purpose because he was laughing maniacally while he was flying away. I just bought a used epsilon 9 and the lessons are coming up and I'm going to learn to fly. I miss my old friends that have died and I wish they could get brought back to life and get a wing to fly. It would be great sport when one person rear-ended together if it was me and my old friends there'd be no way we could have seen that video and everybody wouldn't be rear-ending each other. I have no fingers to point and no one to blame and I don't think nationality has anything to do with the accident. I would suggest everybody check that reserve pretty often.
Very far from me the idea to teach, but, apart of the avoidable collision, the launch of the reserve was really bad....no training at all, it seems... a very slow extraction and no throw. Luckily you were high a lot. Am I wrong?
This one is quite educative.... so much going wrong here (pilot path, reserve throw, reserve oppening, wing neutralization, ....), yet they end up safe.
Ah so true!
Thank for sharing the video and I'm glad both pilots are OK!
I am so glad you both are ok.
Hi all. Very educative video! First of all happy to read that nothing serious happened!
When I watched the video first time - obviously knowing that something will go wrong and obviously from the pilots perspective - I first thougth " ough ... flying towards a big cloud of pilots is never nice, probably a comp?", but a bit later I thought: "I would keep an eye on this Ozone pilot, no matter if he will climb towards his height, it feels as if he is not aware, that the entered the thermal later and in a dangerous alternative circle ..." and then again "oooh ... that would have been close if this glider whould have got an extra lift" .
On 2.40 you can see that he flies straight (with his back towards "us", even does a little left turn and then decides to turn right hard - right into "us")
So: most important rule - still ! - always clear your turn before turning!!!!
But also, I think that from "our" perspective, she could have anticipated that problem. I am pretty sure, that I would have kept an eye on that ozone coming in below me and later and doing unclear maneuvers.
But I also agree, that correcting her own position (obviously that ozone did have a better climb) might have helped as well.
Afterwards I really think she kept very calm most of the time. That was good! Not so good of course to catch the other pilot with the reserve ... :(
Thanks for sharing!
I hope you’re both okay. Lots to learn from this incident for all us pilots. Always keep your head on a swivel. Throw right away always. Look BEFORE you turn. Thanks for sharing this. I hope you are able to get back in the air soon and have safe enjoyable flights.
Always keep your head on a swivel? what does that mean?
@@flyhighflyfastalways keep your head on a swivel means to always be looking all around you, not just in front.
Thanks for sharing and glad you are all okay. Ive been flying 22 years and my biggest fear is a mid air collision it should also be every pilots biggest but sadly it isn't.
My biggest fear is getting wrapped in the wing and being unable to throw the reserve. I've had a few people crash into me (mostly during a competition, and some fool flies right through the middle of the gaggle) without consequence. Other big fear, which happened once, is flying over big power lines, hitting a thermal and having the glider go parachutal.
@@t.wadegonder1288 unfortunately paragliding has become more popular and more pilots.
I was flying in Algodanales Southern Spain in December last year and the conditions were high pressure set in for a while so you could stay up on the mountain but try flying out and you would probably go down.
One day I saw the number of pilots waiting to take off so was one of the first to launch when conditions were really marginal , I managed to stay up on the mountain for 40 minutes before the whole bloody crowd on the launch started to come off , I remember looking down and thinking this is going to get crazy busy very soon so I went and landed , not long afterwards there was a mid air collision and one German pilot sadly died.
Unfortunately some of the more popular places have become so busy , Annecy , Bassano , Algodonales etc etc that they are becoming places i will probably stop flying.
You're making me happy friend. I don't know anyone else here and I haven't seen anyone else flying here. I'm getting a used epsilon 9 and lessons on how to fly it. I don't know how well this is going to go being here all alone but there's not going to be anyone else to run into.
Ive looked at this many times ..The female pilot looks to be doing wide turns in a separate part of a thermal while a group of other pilots are performing tighter circles in another part of the thermal.. on several occasions it should have become obvious that their paths were intersecting. I get the pilot below has right away etc but I don't buy he didn't see the female pilot on the 2 times he came close to her when their paths intersected. 1st he should have adjusted his path once he realized they were coming close together 2nd the female pilot should have either entered the same circle or left to final lift away from the other thermaling pilots.. Both to me are to blame.. but its obvious to me the rising pilot should have recognized that she was a novice in skill by the way she was doing wide circles on the edge of the thermal and adjusted his path as well..
Velocidad y altura (sobre todo en este caso) te salvan la dentadura.
Lo de revisar el emergencia para que abra sí o sí en cualquier circunstancia no es tonteria.
El resto (control del tráfico), mejor en para otro momento.
De los errores no siempre se puede aprender, en este caso, afortunadamente, si.
Buenos (y seguros) vuelos!
Excellent video, i think that even if she was looking for him, she would not have time to avoid collision. But when you're on top, you need to open up to those who comes from below.
Fisheye camera lens...everything looks 100-times further away. The gliders are actually very close together and none are particularly high.
Agree.
Is that how you practice deploying your reserve?! Holy panic.
Thank you for sharing this!
Thanks for publishing it so we can all learn from it!
Imo it looks like Ozone pilot flew right at her. He had much better visibility in the right turning direction then she did. This just reminds me of how I don’t want to thermal with people I don’t know. Or just keep lots of distance
Big assumption on your part, one the video doesn't support.
Easy to comment from the comfort of my couch but... lack of situational awareness on both pilots, sudden changes in flight path while in proximity of other gliders, dodgy reserve packing... It's fantastic nobody got hurt here. And yes, while the pilot above is in charge of ensuring the safety of pilots below, at the time of impact they the collide nearly head on so they're flying on the same level. This was totally preventable and it's great to have such great footage to allow everyone to learn from it. Many thanks for posting.
Head on!? No way. she was flying away and he just flew into her... Oh brother... lol
@@wild2flyparagliding160 agreed, I think I was trying to refer to their level more so than their direction.
@@wild2flyparagliding160 yes and no, I guess it was mutual and she did a wider last spiral turn. But another pilot was absolutely wrong not trying to turn left, he could see her
really glad you're ok. i have never paraglided before. And I will run the other way if i ever see one. that was terrifying to even watch.
Thank you for sharing this video. That is brave. I am very glad to read that you both are well. I am not a an experienced pilot yet so my feedback is probably not that valuable. Traffic awareness apart. They are key notes I would point to. 1) In PG the higher the safest as seen here. 2) re-packing the reserve by competent personal, at least every year or after events that will affect the opening is important, as seen in the video. 3) when throwing the reserve, you can see how the male pilot was quick in collecting the glider, while the female pilot was struggling opening the reserve, her glider want to fly, and it was fighting the parachute until ending pointing to the ground, accelerating the sink rate even more (one reserve opened with overweight). It is so impressed how calm both pilots were… VERY IMPRESSIVE. I will consider watching this video several time to expose myself to the stress and then picture what would I do in the same situation, with the hope of training my mind into automatically reacting under distress. Finally, damn my country is beautiful… what a landscape. I need to fly in home land for sure.
skydiver here with a few thousand jumps. Having had many malfunctions, both high speed(freefall with bridal entanglement or fouled main pack on tandem rigs) and slow speed like line twists and even two canopies out, but never a collision. The simple fact is, when the time comes, time slows and you focus on tasks in my experience. Task lock can be a detriment, so it's still important to maintain big picture vision. But as my first instructor told me. When things go wrong, you breath and work the problem with the goal of getting as much wing or drag out as you can. Focusing on collapsing a second wing below 500 ft can make things way worse. Survivability is typically a function of quick reaction but also knowing when to stop pulling or cutting lines and just fly what you have if the risk of making it worse is high. Inducing a spin low to the ground is what most often results in the higher impact speed at angles perpendicular to the planet coming at you. This negates any attempt at PLF energy absorption. Every situation is unique, but you are right to place your mind in that situation, over and over and think about what your not thinking about. Know all your options and when to accept suboptimal and focus on the best impact position and reaction. Blue skies!
So good emotions management, coolness, good teamwork, so difficult to apply in such a critical situation, bravo to you both, you have earned the right to stay alive : )
And even I would add the subtitles for non-russian speakers as the outcome is valuable: Сука, ебаный в рот! ...and so on:)))
Allow me to take a moment to clear up some misconceptions about some terms used by some pilots in the posts. Clearing a turn is a procedure that was invented over 100 years ago by pilots that were about to practice flight maneuvers (tight banked turns, stalls, acrobatics, etc.). They would fly straight and then turn slowly right or left 90 degrees to increase their view of the airspace by 90° and then turn again another 90°. Thus, completing a 360° view before beginning their maneuvers. They had to do this because they had a fuselage behind them. And the same held true for helicopters when they came along. Paragliders and hang glider pilots have the ability to see in almost a 270° circle when flying straight, by turning just their head (without a fuselage in the way). They only need to turn 90° to clear the 360° view before they begin any maneuvers. When you are in a thermal turning, there is no need to "clear a turn" as you have supposedly already done that before entering. Now, your job is to see and avoid and think about those other pilots that have limited visibility in comparison to you.
Someday, a powered aircraft or sailplane may be near you when you're flying an ultralight, and now you know what his slow 90° turns mean. He is clearing to start maneuvers that you don't want to be anywhere near.
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"Throw your reserve, throw your reserve".
"Yes - I just need to tangle it TF first"
Thanks for posting.
que se tengan que cumplir normas de conducta en vuelo, es vital, como ir en coche o navegar en el mar, pero dejando de un lado las normas, es imprescindible usar el sentido común, el respeto y no obsesionarse en quien tiene la preferencia. En ocasiones nos cejamos queriendo subir una termica sin acordarnos que hay mas gente en ella o intentando ir por delante de otros pilotos para aguantar mas tiempo. malo malo. Me alegro que ambos pilotos salieran bien. felicidades
At 2:38 watch the pilot off in the distance, just in front of her nose - they're gonna meet real soon.
You can track the other glider involved from 0:28. There are times that they get uncomfortably (for me) close. Then the other glider moves somewhat further away. It all looks like chaotic s*** to this hang glider pilot. If I had to pin the majority of the fault on someone, it'd be on the other glider...
Is there a quick disconnect built into the harness? I am a nonflyer, but interested in learning. It seems that this should be anticipated for and injury prevented through the use of a quick disconnect feature, perhaps a system with multiple intentional steps required to avoid accidental disconnects. Maybe a pull cord that severs the link between pilot and lines, with a safety carabiner that must first be removed before allowing the disconnect.
Incompetence and unpreparedness are a dangerous mixture!
А есть возможность повернуть камеру, во время того как она бросает запаску? не очень понятно как это произошло. За стропу зацепилась?
Happy to ear that your both ok.
Very important to know how your rescu work. How to drop it. Because you have to DROP it. Not to "unravel" it.
Better to practice it in landwork before you need it on the air for real.
Good fly everyone.
Horror! Hope everybody is alife and not badly injured.
This is exactly why you need to make sure we are all turning with the same center point.... a very neglected point in most flying sites.
I am new to paragliding, why did the reserve get tangled in the first place. Nobody knows how the will react until the accident actually happens. I believe both pilots did well for the situation they were in, the male pilot looked like he was in complete control and giving direction to the female pilot, almost as this was not his first rescue.
I would like info on why the reserve did not open as well
@@youknowwhoiam1314 See the comment under Camo post.
it didn't deploy....because it was thrown at a human and lines, instead of waiting for clean air, chance to toss it. just panics and tosses into everything BUT clean air. after this it wraps part of his still partially open main....and some of the lines are tangled around her. i thought her own reserve would choke her out. lucky
I spent quite a few years skydiving, and the same is true for that sport. Mid air collisions under canope can be disastrous. Parachutist magazine lists all reported accidents, the outcomes and the causes to better inform jumpers and increase awareness, and hopefully keep people out of trouble.
Especially under 500'. with no time to recover.
Friend of mine lost her husband to a skydiving collision. The other guy survived. She quit skydiving.
smashing our canopies together in formation used to be a favorite past time...anyone for a downplane?
You took my breath .
I'm Glad that you are ok
What kind of paraglider is circling the pilot in that strange way? Dragging in the front one moment, and lagging behind the next... I fly paragliders but have never seen anything like this!
I saw the ozone glider flew from other area to the lift the girl was thermaling, he should've observed the direction the BGD glider was turning into, but he didn't. Reckless.
You think he was in a different thermal? Most thermals don't go straight up you know. If he wasn't in a thermal, how did he climb up to her?
@@t.wadegonder1288 We all chase the gliders going up faster than us, right? If he wanted to join a thermal, he should observe the direction the pilots were turning into.
listen to her computer....she is in half lift. in large pattern. they are in tight pattern full lift. they are coming up to her. they have right of way. they are bigger in number flying in pattern. she flies with her head to the right. never looks left. danger danger danger.
if your the solo bird high, half in the thermal. make way for the big crows coming up.
simple rules prevent simple deaths
Do we have tracks (GPX, IGC?) for both pilots? If so could you upload them on STL.sport and create a scene from them? Stats for fall rate would be interesting to study
Glad you guys are okay, I would have refrained from tossing the reserve because you had two good chutes already inflated, and throwing that reserve is a 50-50 chance of fouling the good ones, luckily it worked out for you guys
Tangled chutes are not good chutes. It a perfect world bottom cuts away then top cuts away into double reserve. Inflation doesn’t matter if one chute is spinning down. Pull reserves immediately under this situation. The tangled chutes are a death sentence.
@@iWork3dyou're missing the point. There was an inflated reserve, and an inflated main canopy....... who cares if you're tangled up, they still had lift because they're still inflated.......
Tossing out that reserve she was trying deploy was already bag locked, and did you see her spaghetti mess of suspension lines all tangled while trying to throw it?
You throw that bag of shit out, and take a risk of fouling the already 2 good chutes they had which will save life and limb...... if that reserve got those wrapped, you go from 2 good chutes and 2 bad chutes...... to 4 bad chutes and ZERO lift ...... That's what kills people......she threw that reserve and look what happened....... tangled in the already fouled up chutes and didn't inflate
Very unlucky for both of them to get in this situation. Glad nobody got hurt. Thanks for sharing.
Wonderful video. I love the special video, because we can all learn about it.
Hallo Наталья, glad you both are OK. To avoid such situations ist`s better to line up behind the oher pilots and fly after them. The pilot with the ozone buzz is searching the best thermal point and flies unpredictably. At 2:21 you are flying your curve and you fly towards each other. The buzz pilot is about 10 meter under you. At 2:24 he narrows his turning radius. At 2:36 he ends his turn for a short while while you are flying a tight curve with weight heavily on the inside og the curve. At 2:41 the buzz pilot decides to turn to the right and i'm convicted he wasn't looking in the direction he was going to fly. You had no chance to evade him to avoid the collision.
thank you for your wishes and thanks for the analysis. I agree with you
@@alzziona_true Glad that both of you are OK. Unlike you, I am not trying to become a pilot. I am learning Russian language and my analysis from the footage: I heard the word 'сука' was pronounced perfectly several times. I would have done the same thing! из Индонезии.
@@bhaashatepe5234 for Russians, this interjection is used when something goes wrong as expected))
I learned a lot. Thank you for posting.
Get well soon for the two pilots, I wish them good health
Both walked away unscathed.
Happy to hear you are OK. It looks so crazy. 😱
Видео можно кадрировать на цитаты для школ "как делать не надо". Хорошо, что все уцелели!!!
Couple of thing I noticed: 1) The camera perspective makes us view things from the woman's point of view, so we would be biased to judge things her way -- especially since the fisheye camera makes it hard to judge the relative positions and flight paths. 2) The collision was always going to happen this way, because in the overlapping parts of the circles, the woman was going headwind (slow) and the Buzz pilot was going downwind (fast). There is a good amount of guessing in this, as it's difficult to judge, but that was my impression. 3) Prior to the accident, the woman yells out to the Buzz pilot to keep away (apparently). This is a no-go. If you're uncomfortable with the separation, don't yell at other pilots: Choose a different flightpath. Different people have different comfort levels with different separations. If you are unhappy with the separation, don't yell at others to change their flying -- it's not their duty to make you feel comfortable in the air. You both have the same equipment (steerable gliders), so steer your glider away. In this accident, the pilots apparently didn't even speak the same language, which highlights the importance of this point even more. 4) Both pilots are in very flat turns, often going straight for a good bit. The woman seems to go pretty straight a couple of seconds prior to the collision and thus gets closer to the Buzz pilot, who turns quite abruptly. I'm guessing the Buzz pilot would not have seen the other glider even if he had done a 90 degree check (but again, this is a bit guesswork). Overall, both pilots don't look at each other often enough: Given their distance and the danger involved they should have been actively tracking the other pilot at all times. In this situation, I wouldn't have initiated a proper turn unless I had known 100% where the other glider was. 5) The Buzz pilot immediately throws the reserve. Maybe that's how it's taught at SIV but in real life, there is a possibility that the gliders disentangle and both pilots fly away. Given the height, it would have been an option to wait and see what the gliders do (but immediately throwing the reserve is not a mistake, as waiting comes with its own risks and can harm especially an entangled pilot). 6) The woman's reserve handle gets entangled and her attempts to disentangle it seem ineffective. It's possible that she couldn't see what the problem was. The camera captures it clearly (the reserve handle is entangled), but she was tilted away from the reserve and the harness may have occluded her view. Moreover, it's difficult to see such details when you're thrown around in the air. 7) The woman tries and fails to pull the glider in. She seems to be pulling only a few lines, as is recommended, but still can't disable the glider. It's important to remember that a glider can be stronger than us. You would usually try to disable the glider when the reserve pops out and takes the pressure away from the glider, but in this situation the opening is more gradual and there may not have been that critical timepoint. Knowing other methods of disabling gliders (wrapping the brakes multiple times or choosing a line on the side of the glider) may have helped. Finally: Thank you very much for posting this video, I love analysing these videos and learning from them. I am glad that both pilots are ok, and I hope they are both still flying happily! :-)
I'll reply to my own post because on second viewing, I realised the woman's reserve didn't seem to open properly at all. That may have made it extra-difficult to pull in the glider, so maybe no surprise she didn't succeed in that.(?)
I feel prior the collision, you check the other paraglider and stop turning strongly. If you had keep turning strongly, you would avoid the other paraglider!!! The other paraglider was probably surprised you stop turning!
@@supernormal1019 you might like my analysis below. Very similar to yours with a few extra points to consider.
@@t.wadegonder1288 quiet good analysis. also in paragliding, paragliders at the bottom have priority with respect toparagliders at the top (because of the wing above the head that block the view). also the other paraglider was much lower at the start of the video, so he was really at the center of the thermal ascent and have priority about the other paraglider circling outside the core of the thermal ascent.
@@stefaniebecker3804 good points, Stefanie. I’m sure the situation would’ve looked different from his or a static perspective.
that was cool:) how forgiving is this type of aviation?...mass times velosity squared equls force....a head on between 2 aircraft here..you do not survive aircraft head ons in any other aircraft...the decent had a lot of drag so it was slow even with only 1 reserve.
Buzz clearly made that final turn without shoulder checking. Completely in the wrong.
YIKES!!!! Scary stuff. good job staying so calm. Well done. Glad you are both safe and well.
Skip to about 2:27
It was pretty scary, I'm glad both of u are safe.
As soon as the video started I knew it would be that blue and yellow glider she'd be colliding with
yah its sad when you can see it happening in slow motion
Excellent job at remaining calm and working to get the diaper bag unstuck and deploying the reserve. Never give up until you are on the ground. Glad you both are ok
She never really got a reserve out though. I suppose any fabric above you helps but it looks like they came down under one good reserve and a downplaning BGD Wasp.
@@pjm204 I guess it depends on how you look at it. At 3:40 she successful got it out of the diaper bag. With all the lines and harnesses and close proximity of things blocking the reserve from fully inflating I think she did extremely well having had those conditions.
I am *super* impressed with the female pilot, all around. I would call this pretty solidly 50/50 responsibility on both pilots, but everything that could go wrong, did. Murphy's law was in full force, & the Buzz pilot was yelling & not helping.
@@finitetriumph he was yelling cus she was putting his life at risk! Took ages to throw the reserve and then didn't pull the glider in, I'm guessing the ground coming up at him fast made him loose his temper abit 🙄
What do you consider remaining calm? It was the worst demonstration of flying from both pilots. They came too close on multiple occasions and the failed deployment of the second reserve was down to panicking alone. Be careful commenting on situations you are clearly not trained for.
У нас тоже была такая... Когда летали в динамике и вижу что она взлетает я сразу на посадку шёл, постоянно с ней косяки были и также врезалась на моих глазах, причём летает давно, слава Богу она завязала с парапланеризмом!!!
Что за гаджет (широкоугольник, съёмка не очень), как он крепиться?
@@vlastelina74 что то похожее на GoPro Max, камеры с обзором 360 градусов умеют убирать палку из кадра. На параплан.ру есть вариант этого же видео со сферическим обзором.
Which Dimension were you flying?
Beautiful example of consciousness and spacial awareness.
❤❤
I don’t understand your comment. They crashed into one another.
@@DanielFCutter ok, you don't understand spacial awareness.
Обоюдная потеря визуального контроля пилотов при выполнении групповых полётов в ТВП, а остальное следствие.
How can you do a sudden turn to the right like that without looking in that direction first? Clearly the guys fault...Very dangerous to fly with pilots like that closeby
Answer coming to that question in a day or two. The short answer for now is that you are making a big assumption.
@@t.wadegonder1288 well what I can see in the video is that you turned to the right before flying into her and after my 5000 flights of experience I think I am able to give an opinion , I had many times situations like that before. Allways look around in all directions twice before changing flight-direction. Have a good day
It may have looked like a sudden turn in direction from the footage (because the female pilot was turning to the right as well), but to me it looks like he was just doing the same size of circle as he has been doing for minutes...
@@haveawonderfulday279 still have to constantly look though...
@@haveawonderfulday279 He has been flying in odd trapezoids for quite a while. He should not be in the air around other pilots.
Uff! Glad you both are ok
Can someone please explain what exactly they did?
Все птицы в одном термике встают в одну спираль. То же самое надо делать и парапланеристам.
I mean: a flock of birds in the same thermal quickly form a single uniform spiral. The same rule applies to paragliders.
What an incredible and beautiful video. Thanks for sharing. It is hard to tell details but I enjoyed watching and will definitely share it. I have heard how very crowded Colombia can be.
'...beautiful...' ?
It is beautifully photographed!
What was the camera attached to?
Mr. Ozone Buzz having a nap in mid air and sleep flying into the lady pilot. If I ever come across him, I will fly a mile into the other direction...
You are making a big assumption that the video doesn't support. I'll touch on it in two more days.
Glad to hear everybody is ok. 1- after the problem starts you did the best moves.congrats. 2-before it starts, please never let it start.
God bless you.
Turning right, but focused almost exclusively to the right, rarely scanning left or forward. In a crowded thermal, danger can come from ANY direction and any altitude, not just in the direction you are turning.
К слову, на видео отлично видно, что такое на практике 30+ км/ч. Скорость параплана небольшая и это расслабляет. Однако, это все-таки 10+ метров в секунду и если наметилась "встреча", то надо не тупить и действовать ОЧЕНЬ быстро. На все про все у вас одна, максимум две секунды.
Glad you are both ok. Please carry a hook knife and practice reaching for it in flight. Regardless of fault there was very good instruction from the Buzz pilot that certainly helped the situation.
Something I’ve not seen mentioned yet - have heard strong advice never to put hands through the brake handles.
If you watch the 360 vid (czcams.com/video/XkvM48OFKlU/video.html) slo-mo, BGD pilot is lucky her hands weren’t pinned when the Buzz lines wrap around her risers.
You can see her struggle to pull her right hand free to reach for the reserve handle. Could explain the delay in going for the reserve.
Lost an experienced acro pilot Z (who flew with brake handles around his wrists) years ago in an SIV when his risers twisted + pinned his gloved hands. He couldn’t free either hand from the brake handles to attempt deployment.
it's true, thanks for noticing. I pulled my right hand out with difficulty
Sooooooo lucky and soooo glad you both survived!
Thanks for posting
do you know why your reserve didn’t open properly?
HE ALMOST KILLED HER!
That guy is a bully!
He smashes into her starts screaming at her then attaches himself to her so he can drag her to the ground causing her to crash!
At 4:04 he deliberately kicks her in the face!!
Another person that doesn't know ultralight flight rules.
@@t.wadegonder1288 are you bullying me?
@@JP1NYC By your distorted definition, probably.
Охеренная укладка запаски и подготовка пилота. Хорошо, что закончилось все нормально, судя по скорости приземления.
Укладка запаски конечно да пиздец а пилотировала она правильно в отличии от того кто в неё влетел. Ну он то хоть запаску уложил как надо и сразу выбросил её
@@dmitryyakimenko1779 надеюсь, все обошлось у них. В следующий раз внимательнее будут.
При броске запаска зацепилась ручкой за стропу и не раскрылась. Можно заметить это на видео, если присмотреться
Glad you are both okay, that was scary to watch
Was that a frontal mount reserve?
ambos não sabiam as leis de voo de parapente, só pode! é claro e visivel. mas graças a DEUS o PAI celestial que o dois estão bem.🙏
Rapaz situação bem complicada esse numa térmica.
Thank you for sharing the video.
Both of them need to look at the surroundings while gliding in the Thermal.
Lucky.
Have a safe flight. ^ ^ :)
How could you do PLF in this? Seems like they made a lot of mistakes!
Адриналинестое видео... надеюсь с пилотами все в порядке... Вопрос: почему не раскрывалась её запаска?
they are safe🙏🏻
Pretty horrendous. She looked right when he turned into her. Don’t think she did anything wrong to be honest. Glad they were both ok, looked like a low impact landing.
To see what she did wrong, check out the replies under Baby Customizer.
That's not how I imagine "let us fly together"...
But it looks like a "smooth" landing in that creepy situation.
I gotta watch again but why did it take so long to pull ur reserve? And why was it so wrapped up? I don't even fly with a reserve but will definitely start after watching this.
COLOMBIA*
Мляяяяяяя! Вот это поворот!
I salute you for your perseverance and great effort in this exceptional and embarrassing situation, and I am proud of you and I hope that such a raised incident will not be repeated.I'm from the Arab Gulf I love you
I dont know anything about this sport. However, if it was me, I would be training myself to pull my reserve properly. That looked like a right mess and if she has been in an emergency on her own she may not had had the time to pull her reserve.
Those skills need to be fine tuned, next time you may not be so lucky. Glad it worked out this time.
Why paraglide in big groups like this? I feel like you’re just asking for this too happen? Glad everyone is okay
Birds of a feather love to fly together... You should watch videos of competition "gaggles". With following of the basic right of way rules this kind of thing very, very, rarely happens. The rest of the time it maximizes use of rising air and helps pilots stay in lift.
@@enmodo that’s a fair point, I actually have heard of them being able to gain lift on rising air and totally forgot. Thanks!
The camera pilot seems to keep looking forward, right and up, but never left. Even if you're circling to the right, you need to keep looking left every few seconds, especially in busy air. That's not to absolve the other pilot of his share of responsibility.
yes well, but if u are circling right and on the left somebody flies into you, what the hell would be supposed to do? There is a reason why right of way is given to the one who is circling.
@@svetre87 when to late to bale out left turn right as hard as you can. Spin the glider, stall it before you are in the flight path of the other. These are some options if the pilot of the camera hade looked to the left.
@@rasmuspersson6910 nah not really. The camera pilot even saw the other glider and even tried to react, but it was to late. The pilot who caused the accident did a surprise maneuver that even seeing it I wouldn't understand what is happening.
@@svetre87 the accident was easy to spot already from the start of the video when you can see that they are not circling in somewhat the same circle and the lower pilot climbs faster. This should have been detected and the pilot in top should have adjusted to go into the lower pilots circle.
It was not a surprise move from that pilot from below, the pilot with the camera could have turned tighter, i have done it but it is not fun to go into hard spiral inside a thermal with other gliders below.
The filming pilot should have aimed to take the turn behind the lower pilot, both are at blame it takes to to make a collision.
@@rasmuspersson6910 "watch before turn" rule is therefore obsolete now?
hi @antondontcov9250,
I think you are the owner of the video.
I'm developing an emergency release system that significantly reduces the problem of the handle getting caught in the cords.
Can I use your video to explain the problem I'm trying to solve?
What has happened with this rescue chute that didn’t opened ???
Спокойствие и выдержка...стальный нервы у Натальи.
Что есть то есть