Hans Niemann's Coach is a CONFESSED CHEATER

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  • čas pƙidĂĄn 27. 09. 2022
  • VICE dropped an article today on Hans Niemann's now famous coach, Maxim Dlugy and his cheating issues with chess.com. The emails are included.
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  • @rww805
    @rww805 Pƙed rokem +3509

    I don't know why Hikaru isn't having children. He would be an excellent reader of bedtime stories.

  • @CuShorts
    @CuShorts Pƙed rokem +2066

    "Always two, there are. No more. No less. A Master and an apprentice." - Yoda

  • @Rocket-qg5jw
    @Rocket-qg5jw Pƙed rokem +2225

    Coach speaks for himself!

  • @pappaflammyboi5799
    @pappaflammyboi5799 Pƙed rokem +456

    The engine speaks for the master that speaks for the apprentice that speaks for the chess that speaks for itself.

    • @hans-jrgenbjrnstad9180
      @hans-jrgenbjrnstad9180 Pƙed rokem +19

      At the end we all speak for itself.

    • @CheRivero
      @CheRivero Pƙed rokem +8

      best comment i’ve ever seen

    • @NotoriousKhamid
      @NotoriousKhamid Pƙed rokem

      Wow!

    • @Habdabi
      @Habdabi Pƙed rokem +11

      This comment speaks for itself.

    • @lammatt
      @lammatt Pƙed rokem +3

      I am only 1200blitz.
      Can't comprehend. Need some help to understand...
      Please

  • @spinninglink
    @spinninglink Pƙed rokem +731

    Magnus knew all along. He was so many moves ahead of us, like always.

    • @jonsnow6682
      @jonsnow6682 Pƙed rokem +136

      All these lame ass kid defending Hans on CZcams think they know even a slightly comparable amount to Magnus. Magnus is not only a genius but also a humble person who loves the game of chess. It is beyond delusion to think Magnus would accuse anyone of cheating without sufficient evidence to suggest it was most likely true.

    • @kartikeyatiwari2502
      @kartikeyatiwari2502 Pƙed rokem +9

      So magnus has evidence of hans cheating? I never saw him present one

    • @charlespanache7047
      @charlespanache7047 Pƙed rokem +140

      @@kartikeyatiwari2502 having 10 games @ 100% accuracy and 23 above 90%.
      "The engine speaks for itself"
      You may have a problem with thinking critically. Please tell me how many GMs have that many games with perfect accuracy.

    • @GrayCatbird1
      @GrayCatbird1 Pƙed rokem +56

      Magnus acting like one of those ultra smart characters in anime who know how something is going to end the moment it begins. And the thing is it almost looks like he's going to pull it off.

    • @friendlyastronaut6462
      @friendlyastronaut6462 Pƙed rokem +6

      This comment section is pretty weird ngl

  • @spacedonut8157
    @spacedonut8157 Pƙed rokem +872

    It's pretty crazy that his defense was "I didn't know I was cheating with engine suggestions, I thought I was cheating with human suggestions."

    • @ghosthunter0950
      @ghosthunter0950 Pƙed rokem +88

      Yeah what a dumb argument. I swear if anyone buys that I would lose hope in humanity.

    • @npip99
      @npip99 Pƙed rokem +46

      It's fairly common for high rated / titled players to coach people with collaborative games. I've seen it before on twitch as well, I don't think that many people realize this is a violation of fair play. Though, I doubt it matters for normal matches, since like Dlugy said, it only worses your ELO and stands as a way to instruct weaker players with the mistakes that they make. It's probably only a more notable issue because titled tuesday is a cash event.

    • @JohnSmith-ds7oi
      @JohnSmith-ds7oi Pƙed rokem +15

      Look up his wiki. He's a Wall Street gangster along with Kasparov.

    • @eddarby469
      @eddarby469 Pƙed rokem +7

      I still can't buy the premise that a cell phone program can beat Super GMs.

    • @ModernEphemera
      @ModernEphemera Pƙed rokem +42

      @@npip99 ??? It’s common for people to crowdsource moves in a tournament?

  • @journees4300
    @journees4300 Pƙed rokem +102

    So Magnus already knew something we didn't know. His hint of Dlugy name was so clever.

    • @apimpnamedslickback5936
      @apimpnamedslickback5936 Pƙed rokem +33

      The name drop was an engine move. Especially now in the end game

    • @krkiva2
      @krkiva2 Pƙed rokem +16

      so savage, Magnus be like im not calling you out but i would call out your coach which had cheated, then praised that he did a great job LMAO

  • @Jeffrey_Tyler
    @Jeffrey_Tyler Pƙed rokem +25

    Hans admitted to cheated in 2020 and people act like he did it when he was "just a kid" or "earlier in his career"

    • @UncomfortableShoes
      @UncomfortableShoes Pƙed 13 hodinami

      Yeah watching a 19 year old talk about cheating when he was 16 and younger like he’s 37 is laughable.

  • @atomsam2676
    @atomsam2676 Pƙed rokem +905

    " if you join my class i will teach you how to play like an engine"
    probably Maxim Dlugy

  • @rxw5520
    @rxw5520 Pƙed rokem +48

    First Magnus name drops this dude, and suddenly this all leaks out. It’s like Magnus and chesscom are playing chess and the rest of us are playing
. not as good chess.

  • @NotQuiteFirst
    @NotQuiteFirst Pƙed rokem +70

    Funny that Dlugy's story of a student using a mobile device and calling out move suggestions while he was playing Titled Tuesday is exactly the same as how Niemann said it happened when he was 12 (in his Sinquefield interview with Alejandro), he said that he was playing Titled Tuesday and a friend was there calling out suggestions from a device and he was innocently playing the moves.

    • @sylver76
      @sylver76 Pƙed rokem +14

      Learned from the best

    • @timefororbit
      @timefororbit Pƙed rokem +6

      Dlugy is teaching his students some questionable habits

  • @IAmDBigz
    @IAmDBigz Pƙed rokem +60

    if a person has said "it won't happen again" more than once about the same thing they did, believe that it will happen again. and again... and again... it almost sounds like Dlugy has an addiction to cheating in chess.

    • @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all
      @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all Pƙed rokem +1

      only one like on this comment, from Hikaru. Yeah, cheating in games is like an adiction.. its the coke users of the player base lol

    • @JohnProph
      @JohnProph Pƙed rokem

      and isnt he, or wasnt he a financial manager of some sort???

  • @user-on1up1be2p
    @user-on1up1be2p Pƙed rokem +444

    250$ is kinda cheap considering he makes you a 2700 gm in no time

    • @danny_4498
      @danny_4498 Pƙed rokem +15

      Lmaooo

    • @AnagramGinger
      @AnagramGinger Pƙed rokem +126

      You can save a lot of money if you learn morse code before taking on lessons. And bring lube.

    • @alchmon1714
      @alchmon1714 Pƙed rokem +6

      You mean he helps you beat the world champion â˜ș Very cheap indeed

    •  Pƙed rokem

      This comment makes you a 70 IQ in no time.

    • @Nothing_To_See.
      @Nothing_To_See. Pƙed rokem

      @@AnagramGinger Are talking about the anal beads gambit?

  • @paulm2518
    @paulm2518 Pƙed rokem +382

    Imagine blaming a room full of school children for cheating in a paid tournament. And then even offering up said kids name. Fuck me.

    • @macleadg
      @macleadg Pƙed rokem +29

      True. he’s a GM in chess, and a GM in being a f***wad.

    • @Nothing_To_See.
      @Nothing_To_See. Pƙed rokem +3

      "fuck me?". I wouldn't make promises I couldn't keep 👀

    • @josephpeeler5434
      @josephpeeler5434 Pƙed rokem

      Yep. Dlugy has no morals. What a lowlife.

    • @vanillaghetto
      @vanillaghetto Pƙed rokem +3

      Blameshifting to his kid student. What a slimeball.

    • @rxw5520
      @rxw5520 Pƙed rokem

      Well the “student” was probably Hans, so he was technically about 17 during the last tournament

  • @TheNetherwalker
    @TheNetherwalker Pƙed rokem +204

    Man I love that Hikaru is not even close to done with this guy. "Call me out in an interview and I'll make a video about you every day till New Year"

    • @idontgetthejoke4813
      @idontgetthejoke4813 Pƙed rokem +7

      Lol

    • @jamestipton7872
      @jamestipton7872 Pƙed rokem +41

      He’s probably gotten more views from this content than anything else he’s done. This scandal was even on Rogan. It would behoove all the chesstubers to ride this one until the wheels falls off

    • @kpNov23
      @kpNov23 Pƙed rokem +17

      not really. because the truth is coming out piece by piece. hans gave him material. hans: fake rating, fake analysis, fake outrage. fake accent.

    • @ARS1508
      @ARS1508 Pƙed rokem +31

      Hikaru literally eye rolled in a 2 months old video when someone called Hans a super GM 😂😂😂
      He knew about cheating and was waiting for the day when shit finally hits the fan and he can pound down on the kid

    • @gogigaga1677
      @gogigaga1677 Pƙed rokem +1

      Is he retired ? Why is he so obsessed with Hans this guy pops up on my TL 24/7 about Hans is he still active?

  • @JakeLemasterGuitar
    @JakeLemasterGuitar Pƙed rokem +321

    I’m just impressed with Danny’s email writing skills and professionalism personally

    • @christopherfujino
      @christopherfujino Pƙed rokem +14

      This is probably a template he sends out daily

    • @SVP-uy9qb
      @SVP-uy9qb Pƙed rokem +15

      He's a CEO, you'd at least expect that.

    • @emailjwr
      @emailjwr Pƙed rokem +13

      CCO

    • @michaelscott5653
      @michaelscott5653 Pƙed rokem +32

      ​@@SVP-uy9qb Wrong. Eric Allebest is CEO of Chesscom. Danny is the Chief Communications Officer - or essentially the head PR guy. Which is why he's the one communicating with everyone involved.

    • @blantant
      @blantant Pƙed rokem +4

      Same. Couldn't be more impressed.

  • @GeorgioSubs
    @GeorgioSubs Pƙed rokem +1181

    Such a classic example of "Sorry but only because I got caught. It wont happen again! *wink wink*"

    • @theantinatalismzone234
      @theantinatalismzone234 Pƙed rokem +4

      Nudge nudge

    • @charlespanache7047
      @charlespanache7047 Pƙed rokem +26

      Proceeds to have 2 more accounts closed to cheating.

    • @chesscomsupport8689
      @chesscomsupport8689 Pƙed rokem +23

      @@charlespanache7047 "It won't happen a third time!"

    • @Prenda_
      @Prenda_ Pƙed rokem +10

      @@chesscomsupport8689 "Third time's the charm!"

    • @kinglear5952
      @kinglear5952 Pƙed rokem +4

      He is still traumatized, all these years on, by the awful incident when the dog ate his school homework.

  • @bernddasbrot7244
    @bernddasbrot7244 Pƙed rokem +395

    hans only admitted to cheating twice when he was caught, so you can be sure he cheated way more where he didnt get caught

    • @rickross9829
      @rickross9829 Pƙed rokem +2

      not being tongue-in-cheek, being deadass I was bad at hiding it

    • @rickross9829
      @rickross9829 Pƙed rokem +8

      cheating is one of the worst things you can do to someone please don't ever do it

    • @madiqismal4186
      @madiqismal4186 Pƙed rokem

      He definitely cheated that time he played one of the Botez Hoes for a date. Easy ticket to poundtown.

    • @yaboi772
      @yaboi772 Pƙed rokem +16

      @@rickross9829 I can think of a lot of worse things than cheating that you can do to someone but go off ig

    • @grayson0916
      @grayson0916 Pƙed rokem +18

      @@yaboi772 are you saying murder is worse than cheating in chess?

  • @edntz
    @edntz Pƙed rokem +137

    Imagine paying him $250 an hour and all he teaches you is how to use Stockfish lol.

    • @tmad-sb6mj
      @tmad-sb6mj Pƙed rokem +10

      😂😂😂 Yeah, I can do that and I'll only charge $200 an hour...

    • @mayawoflax2488
      @mayawoflax2488 Pƙed rokem +15

      And then he blames you for his own cheating on titled Tuesday

    • @pepejooj2401
      @pepejooj2401 Pƙed rokem +6

      To be fair, if he could assist you to cheat in high level OTB tournament it's a pretty good deal

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur Pƙed rokem

      Stockfish really is the best teacher.

    • @donzmilky5961
      @donzmilky5961 Pƙed rokem

      @@mayawoflax2488 100 hours of "lessons" and youd pay him more than the whole tournament winnings.

  • @TheRonybala
    @TheRonybala Pƙed rokem +125

    Just like any cheater - Dlugy is trying to trickle the truth, admitting to a tiny portion of the cheating to get away with the rest. Seems like his student learned from him not only chess, and potentially cheating, but also this exact technique - "I've only cheated twice and only in online tournaments"

    • @skitzcunt4213
      @skitzcunt4213 Pƙed rokem +9

      once was enough to know i cant trust him

    • @suckieduckie
      @suckieduckie Pƙed rokem +12

      Yup, at this point I've seen enough Wirtual and Karl Jobst videos on cheaters to recognize this patern.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur Pƙed rokem +1

      @@suckieduckie and then, Dlugy got THIS run....

  • @EspenShampoo25
    @EspenShampoo25 Pƙed rokem +18

    If it smells like a fish, tastes like a fish, acts like a fish. Chances are it's a 🐟

  • @granen333
    @granen333 Pƙed rokem +265

    surprisingly, to seemingly all the twitter heroes, the greatest chess player of all time wasn't just salty that hans beat him in a tournament...

    • @None-zv2qk
      @None-zv2qk Pƙed rokem +62

      Insane to me that people ever assumed that.

    • @Mugcow
      @Mugcow Pƙed rokem +42

      Hans defenders on COPIUM tanks đŸ€ŁđŸ˜‚

    • @1994mrmysteryman
      @1994mrmysteryman Pƙed rokem

      It was these dumb teenagers that watched the "queen's gambit" and thought they understood what chess was all about.

    • @matthewgarcia7654
      @matthewgarcia7654 Pƙed rokem +3

      Yes and because Dlugy was a FORMER coach of Hans with no established continued or recent communication between the two, we can finally conclude that Lord Magnus is right, once again.

    • @1994mrmysteryman
      @1994mrmysteryman Pƙed rokem +11

      @@matthewgarcia7654 When did he stop coaching Hans?

  • @iyanaklein6277
    @iyanaklein6277 Pƙed rokem +11

    Carlson has been playing Chess for YEARS, have won dozens of rounds, and have played with so many people he'd naturally know if one's movement is unusual.

  • @user-fe9dj6wq8e
    @user-fe9dj6wq8e Pƙed rokem +49

    Hans: Yes, I was using the beads, but I didn't know back then that their vibrations were signaling the best engine moves.

    • @Okiesmokie
      @Okiesmokie Pƙed rokem +13

      I normally play at a lower level when using the beads than I do without

    • @tmad-sb6mj
      @tmad-sb6mj Pƙed rokem +2

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @theconiferoust9598
      @theconiferoust9598 Pƙed rokem +4

      «i thought the moves were coming from other students of my teacher.»

  • @Wargasm54
    @Wargasm54 Pƙed rokem +31

    Dlugy in raspy hissing voice: “My young apprentice”

  • @calebjurgena1046
    @calebjurgena1046 Pƙed rokem +39

    Someone said the student was “Hansfish Alphamann” and that shit has me dying 😂😂😂

  • @iwa12354
    @iwa12354 Pƙed rokem +64

    Danny Rensch is very professional and seems like a genuinely nice guy

    • @dandel1345
      @dandel1345 Pƙed rokem

      Not really, you should see how he treats his co-commentators during live streams.

    • @vanillaghetto
      @vanillaghetto Pƙed rokem +3

      He "genuinely" doesn't want to get his company sued, and his ass fired.

    • @elg7365
      @elg7365 Pƙed rokem

      Are you serious.? He actually hide the cheating.

  • @mattk1358
    @mattk1358 Pƙed rokem +65

    My 1950 student is suggesting moves that have beat 7 gms in a row, nothing suspicious here.

    • @user-bj7um9uj6r
      @user-bj7um9uj6r Pƙed rokem

      Any detail story and link of your student name? And those gms he beat? Its unclear claim.

    • @walterwhite210
      @walterwhite210 Pƙed rokem

      @@user-bj7um9uj6r pretty sure its a sarcastic reply to hans teachers inocent reply that his students cheated

  • @AlburpCatstein
    @AlburpCatstein Pƙed rokem +341

    The coach speaks for himself!

  • @biffboffo
    @biffboffo Pƙed rokem +659

    Hans is toast. He is becoming a chess pariah and this will never go away.

    • @V0idFace
      @V0idFace Pƙed rokem +70

      He earned it.

    • @StefanReich
      @StefanReich Pƙed rokem +83

      From grandmaster to toastmaster: my journey
      -by Hans Niemann, probably

    • @Wargasm54
      @Wargasm54 Pƙed rokem +27

      I don’t know that he’s toast just yet. Nothing has been confirmed as of his recent (last 2-3 years) that he has been cheating. It certainly doesn’t look good for Hans. It would be sad if he has been cheating recently. Especially since he’s used his “get out of jail free” cards already. But if he has been cheating and is caught for a 3rd time, he gets what he deserves. I want to hope this is not the case. But I firmly believe he should be dealt with strictly if he has been cheating. Possibly a lifetime ban at this point.

    • @PHeMoX
      @PHeMoX Pƙed rokem +70

      @@Wargasm54 The problem is, he may even have gotten his GM title through dodgy wins. Imagine for a second what that means.

    • @Wargasm54
      @Wargasm54 Pƙed rokem +16

      @@PHeMoX it means nothing if it can’t be proven. If it can, then he simply gets stripped of his title.

  • @jarethozb07
    @jarethozb07 Pƙed rokem +9

    It's safe to say if someone has been caught cheating once, they have cheated a lot more than once.

  • @negativerainbow
    @negativerainbow Pƙed rokem +76

    Watching that clip really makes me appreciate Hikaru's evolution in attitude.
    A lot less fighting with chat and a lot more confidence and positive vibes!

    • @dontworry3404
      @dontworry3404 Pƙed rokem +1

      Fake af
      He should embrace his darkside
      Ofc since it secures him the bag it's cool more or less

    • @michaels7220
      @michaels7220 Pƙed rokem +2

      Lol dont fool yourself, Hikaru is just "positive" because he likes drama. He's a toxic person, and I would bet that Hans would sooner beat Magnus legitimately before Hikaru turns into a decent person

    • @Britmadny
      @Britmadny Pƙed rokem +3

      I love how to schizo nobodies with no pfp/avatar got triggered at this inmediately upon first glance

    • @miladibrahim1068
      @miladibrahim1068 Pƙed rokem

      Time?

    • @symeon5518
      @symeon5518 Pƙed rokem

      Lmao he is organising a bullying campaign against somebody he cannnot prove cheated so he makes money out of it. Nothing positive about that nasty attitude

  • @kriss1_
    @kriss1_ Pƙed rokem +63

    Maxim Dlugy is really something, blaming his students for cheating lol.

    • @kpNov23
      @kpNov23 Pƙed rokem +7

      while taking $250/ hr

  • @citbCatInTheBag
    @citbCatInTheBag Pƙed rokem +252

    Finally someone explains the whole Dlugy situation after the name drop

  • @mompomil
    @mompomil Pƙed rokem +17

    At this rate, it will soon turn out that the only person close to Hans who never cheated is his father, and the only reason for that is that his mother cheated on the paternity test

  • @starb4453
    @starb4453 Pƙed rokem +28

    I don't know why people would doubt one of the most dominant chess player in history over one 19 yr old confessed cheater.

    • @BadukTV
      @BadukTV Pƙed rokem +5

      People rather be wrong than admit they were fooled.

    • @missycalimba
      @missycalimba Pƙed rokem +2

      Innocent until proven guilty. He cheated as a kid. Everyone makes mistakes as a kid.

    • @wmxian847
      @wmxian847 Pƙed rokem

      Perfect post

    • @TJ__23
      @TJ__23 Pƙed rokem

      Hans is a cheater who got caught cheating online in his teenage years,he deserves his life to be ruined. Also I believe he cheated in the sinquefield cup cause the world chess champion thinks so. I don't care what happens to him cause I can raise my head high cause I haven't done anything wrong in my entire life and I can reddit peacefully knowing a cheat is caught red handed by my idol.

    • @gurkanbasak4393
      @gurkanbasak4393 Pƙed rokem +6

      @@missycalimba he cheated 3 years ago... not like it was 30 years ago and he happened to make the same mistake 2 times as a kid let's be real here he knew damn well what he was doing

  • @xekind
    @xekind Pƙed rokem +196

    I've known cheaters existed, but I didn't know they threaten to sue you if you expose them.

    • @seansimpsizzle
      @seansimpsizzle Pƙed rokem +15

      There is no hard proof. Hans could very easily sue for defamation.

    • @never7848
      @never7848 Pƙed rokem +6

      clearly never heard of billy mitchel

    • @ghosthunter0950
      @ghosthunter0950 Pƙed rokem +51

      @@seansimpsizzletechnically he can sue, but 0 chance he wins. he needs to prove they were intentionally/very recklessly lying. Good luck with that lmao.

    • @kineahora8736
      @kineahora8736 Pƙed rokem +3

      Review the Lance Armstrong episode in cycling. Also review the sordid history of Pete Rose in baseball


    • @ericpetersen8155
      @ericpetersen8155 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@seansimpsizzle sure
..get a enforcement on any judgment. Good luck

  • @coreyh6698
    @coreyh6698 Pƙed rokem +79

    The Hans documentary is going to be crazy

    • @hayychh
      @hayychh Pƙed rokem

      Netflix already working on it at this point

  • @KaizenLegacy
    @KaizenLegacy Pƙed rokem +80

    As someone who has coached kids in a sports and chess, the fact that Dlugy was willing to 1) violate the rules by having his kids provide moves during Titled Tuesday, and 2) throw said kids under the bus when he gets caught is troubling. As a parent, I would not want my kids anywhere near this guy as a coach. Frankly, I don't buy his whole story. You simply do not have time to have several kids provide moves in a 3+1 game. Now, if it was 1 "kid" (perhaps named "Hans"?) and that kid was standing behind you with a phone running Stockfish and just telling you moves, sure.

    • @pepefrogic3034
      @pepefrogic3034 Pƙed rokem +1

      Chat what move to play chat thanks cbat gm hikaru cheats every time

  • @edntz
    @edntz Pƙed rokem +42

    The master taught the student well. Niemann is a fast learner.

    • @hermodnitter3902
      @hermodnitter3902 Pƙed rokem

      As long as he isn't an obsessive learner, that beat Magnus after learning chess for 1 month... Lol

  • @donquixote8462
    @donquixote8462 Pƙed rokem +20

    I'm so glad Hikaru is putting this stuff out there. These are things I've known about (obviously in much less detail) and it's so frustrating seeing countless people talking out their arses who don't know any of this stuff. Thank you Hikaru. I know that you run the risk of getting flamed like everyone was going after Magnus but I really hope the tide is starting to turn on this scenario and people accept that Hans is at the very, very least, highly suspicious.

  • @Telssa1
    @Telssa1 Pƙed rokem +20

    Whether or not they are cheating in a particular game, a known cheat has a psychological advantage. It's like being in a fist fight with someone carrying a knife, but assures you he won't use it. This is a big part of Magnus's reasoning I think, and an aspect the defenders of Hans never address.

    • @dutchraider2
      @dutchraider2 Pƙed rokem +5

      I love that analogy. Especially with these waaaay to mild punishments for cheating in tournaments. It's essentially lucrative to get caught once or twice so you can use this knife threat in your further carreer.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur Pƙed rokem +2

      Great way to put it. But also, always assume everyone is packing a weapon and just avoid fights, is the real sigma mindset.

  • @nickpalumbo8046
    @nickpalumbo8046 Pƙed rokem +73

    Dlugy is like palpatine and hans is like vader.

    • @ameyavikrama1535
      @ameyavikrama1535 Pƙed rokem +2

      Not good enough to be Vader. More like Palpatine and Maul?

    • @1stbridge
      @1stbridge Pƙed rokem +2

      More like Hans is Greedo and Magnus is Han Solo

    • @madiqismal4186
      @madiqismal4186 Pƙed rokem

      Hans is Han Solo, Magnus is Carbonite.

    • @nickhall7995
      @nickhall7995 Pƙed rokem +1

      Hans is a Jedi, Magnus is a Sith

    • @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all
      @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all Pƙed rokem +1

      @@nickhall7995 hahaha with the power of the engine? yeah i dont think so, magnus is jordan, hans is just a fad

  • @philsburydoboy
    @philsburydoboy Pƙed rokem +5

    Dlugy: "My students are *buzzing* with potential. It's the *right move* to put your children in my academy!"

  • @Ryan-xq3kl
    @Ryan-xq3kl Pƙed rokem +89

    14:10 was one of the funniest things i ever heard in my life. he literally outed himself then went on to become more and more defensive of his behavior. Honestly its disgusting to see this

    • @kineahora8736
      @kineahora8736 Pƙed rokem +1

      Kinda sounds like Trump TBH


    • @tired5
      @tired5 Pƙed rokem +10

      @@kineahora8736 more like Trudeau but I am Canadian so its all relative

    • @Sui_Generis0
      @Sui_Generis0 Pƙed rokem +5

      @@tired5 yh sounds like both tbh

    • @rickross9829
      @rickross9829 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@tired5 I wouldn't be surprised if you've never correctly done a single fact check free from bias

    • @kineahora8736
      @kineahora8736 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@rickross9829 I wouldn’t be surprised if you never read anything.

  • @PHeMoX
    @PHeMoX Pƙed rokem +243

    Can we at least agree Danny Rensch is like the kindest, most forgiving guy alive when it comes to what can only be considered bs explanations for cheating?! Wow.

    • @jamiedimond9419
      @jamiedimond9419 Pƙed rokem +5

      danny is not the Boss fool

    • @DrZaius3141
      @DrZaius3141 Pƙed rokem +9

      Because their business model is to have as many pros as possible. The idea of someone showing the site to their students possibly gets Danny hard.
      Regular people do not get treated like that, that's where they bring down the hammer. And not even the fun Norwegian GM Hammer, just the ban hammer.

    • @ChrisHyde537
      @ChrisHyde537 Pƙed rokem

      @@jamiedimond9419 Who’s the boss then, fool?

    • @timefororbit
      @timefororbit Pƙed rokem +2

      "We would like to give you a forth chance, please don't break our hearts again..."

  • @thebermudaI
    @thebermudaI Pƙed rokem +29

    So he's like "Okay, I was cheating, but my student was cheating MORE and I'll name him." Really shows someone who can't take responsibility for a situation that they as a teacher created.

    • @sylver76
      @sylver76 Pƙed rokem +5

      Most likely, he's just plain cheating and blaming it on kids

  • @RigMaster_
    @RigMaster_ Pƙed rokem +12

    "It wasn't me who cheated I swear! It was one of my 1500-1900 rated students who I didn't notice had a phone and was giving me moves that were crushing GMs. I somehow didn't realise woops! I bet it was little Timmy, that boy must be stopped!"

  • @zumbaladin
    @zumbaladin Pƙed rokem +46

    Dlugy and Niemann seem to have brought the expression "depth of a move" into a whole new dimension.

  • @rollerr
    @rollerr Pƙed rokem +173

    Dlugy's legal threats against Magnus are hilarious. Living up to the stereotype

    • @calamorta
      @calamorta Pƙed rokem +17

      I'm not surprised tbh. Cheaters in such communities can either do that or lose their money/name.
      It sucks to think that small guys are easily screwed by such threats and lawsuits.

    • @uberneanderthal
      @uberneanderthal Pƙed rokem

      now you know why Magnus was so careful to have all his ducks in a row. he knew the scum he was dealing with.

    • @GaussianEntity
      @GaussianEntity Pƙed rokem +4

      @@calamorta Tbh that's more due to the laws regarding lawsuits. If laws were more stringent regarding lawsuits, then lawsuits wouldn't be ruining people. Help change the laws.

    • @guth5060
      @guth5060 Pƙed rokem +2

      15 yo account WTH

    • @SerendipitousProvidence
      @SerendipitousProvidence Pƙed rokem

      Oh, you're an ancient account.

  • @MezuTheGr8
    @MezuTheGr8 Pƙed rokem +8

    Hans didnt cheat two times tho, he got caught twice..

    • @windy8544
      @windy8544 Pƙed rokem

      failed to cheat twice

    • @polygondeath2361
      @polygondeath2361 Pƙed rokem

      Can you prove he cheated more than twice? Or that he cheated over the board?

  • @kenoliver8913
    @kenoliver8913 Pƙed rokem +12

    Something worth doing: investigate exactly where Maxim Dlugy physically was in some of Niemann's most suspicious recent games. If he was sitting somewhere in front of a computer logged in to a nice engine package each time ...

  • @Karthunk
    @Karthunk Pƙed rokem +4

    It's a bit upsetting that Chesscom will allow a player to multiple chances to stop cheating because said person has won a title.
    These champion/titled players should be held to a HIGHER standard than the average player.

  • @sulysan
    @sulysan Pƙed rokem +8

    "I was playing on my friend's computer"..."My brother installed cheats on my computer"... same lvl of excuses...

  • @hashkenhabib
    @hashkenhabib Pƙed rokem +19

    It literally doesn't matter who the kid was. You're their teacher, and you get fed moves you cannot comprehend, and you're not suss ? Come on. The fact he's trying to throw one of the kids under the bus is, as they'd say in scotland, disgosten

    • @kpNov23
      @kpNov23 Pƙed rokem

      dlugy is lying

    • @alienx33
      @alienx33 Pƙed rokem

      Tbf engine moves aren't really incomprehensible to GM level players. If you give a GM a really good move they can probably figure out pretty quickly why it's good. Of course, finding that good move on your own is a completely different story.
      Like, if it wasn't for the 2020 incident, I could see giving Dlugy the benefit of the doubt and maybe he was telling the truth. But in 2020 he didn't even try giving a bs excuse.

    • @guth5060
      @guth5060 Pƙed rokem

      16 yo account ....

    • @keithmatthews1673
      @keithmatthews1673 Pƙed rokem

      However, the fact that he is prepared to sacrifice the kid with the engine suggests that it probably is a true story to some extent at least.

  • @oyvindte
    @oyvindte Pƙed rokem +6

    Magnus knew hans was i hoax. After two games on the beach M C realised that hans is around 2400. Suddenly he plays like a 2700 + player

  • @yethenkosi5046
    @yethenkosi5046 Pƙed rokem +171

    Hans Niemann's coach to Hans everyday: I've taught you well, now take up the good grace

    • @vinchinzo594
      @vinchinzo594 Pƙed rokem +4

      Not sure why this is so upvoted when "take up the good grace" makes literally zero sense.

    • @captainscuffs3003
      @captainscuffs3003 Pƙed rokem +4

      @@vinchinzo594 Either a quote from a show that neither you or I have seen, or a bot up-dooting itself.

    • @cesmorf5398
      @cesmorf5398 Pƙed rokem

      Weird

    • @eyeofhorus1301
      @eyeofhorus1301 Pƙed rokem +6

      @@vinchinzo594 its sarcasm, take up the good grace as in take from me my cheating ways

    • @xekind
      @xekind Pƙed rokem +1

      Sith lord to apprentice

  • @AllTheArtsy
    @AllTheArtsy Pƙed rokem +17

    Regardless of whether Hans cheated on his game with Magnus, it's over. I don't think his career will ever recover from this. The reputation of cheater would always follow him now. More players would probably refuse to play with him, and tournaments might stop inviting him. And.. he kind of deserves it. He did it to himself. I don't care if he admits to cheating when he was younger. Countless other young players never cheated, never even thought of cheating. Just because you're young, doesn't mean you get a pass, especially in sports where fairness and sportsmanship are paramount, especially in chess where so many of the top players start as child prodigies. Hans wrecked himself. And although he's catching so much flak, kudos to Magnus for staking his legacy on exposing this huge problem.

  • @lammatt
    @lammatt Pƙed rokem +4

    Now i cant wait to see how Levy is going to do mental gymnastics to defend the cheaters

  • @evanmckee7945
    @evanmckee7945 Pƙed rokem +3

    The most dog ate my homework explanation ever.

  • @QuixEnd
    @QuixEnd Pƙed rokem +149

    Imagine if Magnus purposely played against Hans with specifically odd move sequences to see whether or not he's cheating. So Magnus didn't play very well bc he was playing 4D chess instead

    • @Zamsky39
      @Zamsky39 Pƙed rokem +19

      That would be insanely bigbrain

    • @rob4419
      @rob4419 Pƙed rokem +54

      i genuinely think he did this for a couple moves, that game was very out of the ordinary for Magnus in a lot of ways. And that's before you consider that nuclear streak he's been on.

    • @funkyflames7430
      @funkyflames7430 Pƙed rokem +38

      That would be very big brain. He has already shown that he doesn’t care much about matches with Niemann with that 2 move game, so it makes sense that he would have tactically tried to expose Niemann with the first game against him.
      It also makes sense because he has said in the email that he thought about leaving the Sinquefield tournament, so it clearly shows he has been thinking about what he should do in the tournament. I think this post-hoc reasoning really ties everything together.

    • @tajneeley
      @tajneeley Pƙed rokem +7

      Nah he just lost and played bad.

    • @Khan-dw1mr
      @Khan-dw1mr Pƙed rokem +2

      Imagine that to be true. That would be insane.

  • @robertmills413
    @robertmills413 Pƙed rokem +42

    This is absurd. Whether Hans cheated or not it's clear the type of people these two are. Everyone who's ever played in any sport or competition knows the type: slippery, shady, totally unscrupulous and insufferable. Will go kicking and screaming the whole way as they are found out, gasping at the audacity of their accuser, clutching their pearls and claiming the moral high ground, only to admit in the end that they simply "wanted it more" and were willing to "do whatever it takes" while, predictably, regretting nothing. They look down on all the poor saps who play by the rules. They are smart, tactical, big brain alpha chads who don't spare a seconds thought for how their actions might degrade the integrity of the game they are so hell bent on winning.
    I'm not in the chess world but I'll admit this drama is captivating. You only need to hear Hans' many accents to get a glimpse of his motivations. After seeing this video it's clear these two were meant for each other.

    • @miguelpereira9859
      @miguelpereira9859 Pƙed rokem +3

      Yeah Hans seems like such a slime ball to me

    • @Life-Sky
      @Life-Sky Pƙed rokem +4

      They even had the same excuse for cheating on titled tuesday lol

    • @whycomes9562
      @whycomes9562 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@Life-Sky Dlugy did a great job "coaching" hans, as Magnus stated.

    • @THEBOYDALEK
      @THEBOYDALEK Pƙed rokem +1

      Nicely written

  • @adrianbeschea
    @adrianbeschea Pƙed rokem +9

    I remember the "bobbing with Dlugy" streams back in 2017 or so. Maxim was so good at spotting cheaters, it was incredible.

  • @danijeltasov1432
    @danijeltasov1432 Pƙed rokem +5

    I don't get it why it would make a difference if the student used a computer or not. It doesn't matter, if someone is suggesting you moves, it's cheating. Doesn't matter how strong the subject is.

    • @snowarmth
      @snowarmth Pƙed rokem

      I suppose the method of cheating matters so that security can be improved, and we can look into if Hans could have used said method against Magnus. I'm not sure though..

  • @michaelscott5653
    @michaelscott5653 Pƙed rokem +5

    Hans is done, this just keeps getting worse and worse

  • @policetv3186
    @policetv3186 Pƙed rokem +207

    Getting worse by the day for Neiman but still not 100% just waiting for that fatal blow to his reputation that seems inevitable at this point, but honestly this seems much needed considering how easily someone that puts their mind to it could cheat at chess thanks for the updates Hikaru

    • @tajneeley
      @tajneeley Pƙed rokem +6

      He didn’t cheat đŸ€ŠđŸ»â€â™‚ïž

    • @1994mrmysteryman
      @1994mrmysteryman Pƙed rokem +48

      @@tajneeley I pity your life in the future. You're gonna be very easily manipulated.

    • @policetv3186
      @policetv3186 Pƙed rokem +31

      @@tajneeley this must be Hans in disguise 😂😂😂

    • @ghosthunter0950
      @ghosthunter0950 Pƙed rokem +39

      The red flags individually don't mean a lot. But damn they're really adding up at this point.

    • @wicked5999
      @wicked5999 Pƙed rokem

      @@1994mrmysteryman ...or you

  • @tjhallett
    @tjhallett Pƙed rokem +84

    Magnus is looking out for the future of chess. Thanks to Hikaru for keeping us informed day by day.

    • @jonsnow6682
      @jonsnow6682 Pƙed rokem +5

      Hans is the one actually looking out for the future of Chess. Upcoming players need to learn from Niemanns fantastic ability to speak to his chess pieces.

    • @blazeehd6164
      @blazeehd6164 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@jonsnow6682 and you need to make a strong bond between you and the chess pieces

    • @joshuabacker2363
      @joshuabacker2363 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@blazeehd6164 You just have to believe in the heart of the pawns

  • @orginal-ascended
    @orginal-ascended Pƙed rokem +7

    How can anyone feel comfortable playing someone who has previously cheated. All the criticism Magnus has gotten over this now begins to seem somewhat unfair.

  • @TheRealMissingLink
    @TheRealMissingLink Pƙed rokem +19

    chesscom anticheating capabilities is indeed incredible, this whole situation is wow

  • @matto8129
    @matto8129 Pƙed rokem +9

    Maxim is getting inputs from his 1500 to 1900 players that are beating other top players and he doesn't think anything suspicious? Very odd...

  • @fahim.foysal
    @fahim.foysal Pƙed rokem +84

    Hikaru is really enjoying every moment milking this whole Hans-Magnus issue, and I love it! 😝

    • @ay3436
      @ay3436 Pƙed rokem

      i've followed pro chess for over 30 years and its actually sad to see that the drama is more important than the game at this point to the new generation of fans.

    • @fahim.foysal
      @fahim.foysal Pƙed rokem

      @@ay3436 It's just that the drama is happening and we all are curious to see the outcome of it all. Do you know why? Because we are chess fans.

    • @ay3436
      @ay3436 Pƙed rokem

      @@fahim.foysal Fan of the drama i say.

    • @fahim.foysal
      @fahim.foysal Pƙed rokem

      @@ay3436 I mean I am following chess for some time now and there was no drama for all this time. Why was I following it then?

  • @alejandromiranda5404
    @alejandromiranda5404 Pƙed rokem +3

    Got my LIKE right away by starting off with the drama. A man of the people

  • @GPTLive
    @GPTLive Pƙed rokem +45

    Plot twist the student helping Delugy was Hans Niemann

    • @hirotakasugi4891
      @hirotakasugi4891 Pƙed rokem +5

      Dlugy and Hans both got caught cheating.
      Cheaters get better at cheating.
      Hans is the new prototype of the cheating system.

    • @dexio8601
      @dexio8601 Pƙed rokem +2

      Hans 100%

  • @willisisawesome
    @willisisawesome Pƙed rokem +19

    Man stuff is not looking good for Niemann. This was hilarious that you played Dulgy back in 2020. So glad that game was on the clips channel for us to watch.

  • @miikeee
    @miikeee Pƙed rokem +34

    If Magnus Carlsen is on the warpath, Hikaru is low key trying to nuke Hans😂

    • @kineahora8736
      @kineahora8736 Pƙed rokem +9

      Low key? Or Loki? Isn’t Magnus the Norwegian one?đŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł
      Thor & Loki vs Chess cheating
 it’s chess Ragnarok!

    • @LuisMedina040199
      @LuisMedina040199 Pƙed rokem

      @@kineahora8736 dfkm 😂😂😂

    • @kunalsingh4418
      @kunalsingh4418 Pƙed rokem

      @@kineahora8736 that was impressive. Hope @Hikaru can get that on a video thumbnail. Both Thor Carlsen, & Loki Hikaru fighting together beating Hans.

    • @kineahora8736
      @kineahora8736 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@kunalsingh4418 I guess Hans could be the Midgard serpent Jormungandr, but of course at Ragnarok Thor & Loki are on opposite sides-Loki is the father of Jormungandr, and Thor and Jormungandr kill each other


  • @raregems119
    @raregems119 Pƙed rokem +1

    Dlugy passed the blame onto one of his students, this guy sounds like a real winner.

  • @amsterdam9290
    @amsterdam9290 Pƙed rokem +30

    Dlugy is speaking for Hans :)

  • @drcrocodile1
    @drcrocodile1 Pƙed rokem +42

    Lesson: Never confess.

    • @altalingua
      @altalingua Pƙed rokem +9

      Better lesson: Never cheat.

    • @Metaphyst
      @Metaphyst Pƙed rokem +1

      Untill you get caught

    • @Khazollo
      @Khazollo Pƙed rokem

      Be better so u dont have to cheat/confess

  • @AliKrayem
    @AliKrayem Pƙed rokem +5

    If this teaches anything it’s that cheaters will always deny till you expose and corner them, then they’ll fully admit and try to compromise no matter how humiliated they look. Then they go back to cheating again lmaoooo

  • @Sojourner88
    @Sojourner88 Pƙed rokem +7

    I’m so glad Magnus is calling this out. This is like the Tour de France. So much freaking cheating.

  • @romerosantos5922
    @romerosantos5922 Pƙed rokem +26

    Once a cheater you should never in any circustance be able to play top chess players ever. That should be a strict law.

    • @hirotakasugi4891
      @hirotakasugi4891 Pƙed rokem +4

      Yeah not only does it affect the opponent’s mentality of which is a huge detriment to their game but also cheater.

    • @DailyWorldWideNews945
      @DailyWorldWideNews945 Pƙed rokem +1

      Nah... Tbh i also was cheating a bit in online chess and honestely i cannot blame anyone for doing it... Ofc its a very different thing if done in a top game or a "real" chess game. But cheating once or twice in an online match when you are young should be forgivable. I stopped it because i saw that i wont improve if i only cheat and its not so much fun, i mainly used it for ragecheating against enemies where i was thinking they won "undeserved".

    • @bcfross
      @bcfross Pƙed rokem +11

      Lol you should juat be banned jakob.. just cheaters say cheating isnt a big thing. But it is.

    • @valeschlosser2681
      @valeschlosser2681 Pƙed rokem

      Nah You are dumb and you do stupid things in your teenage years and that‘s good. Testing out your boundaries helps you understand them. I think there should be a difference between kids and adults cheating. If an adult cheats, I understand your point but if a kid cheats they should be given a second chance, after a temporary ban so they can learn from it. If they dont, bye

    • @3-methylindole730
      @3-methylindole730 Pƙed rokem +1

      Jakob You’re a CHEATER, shame on you! Nobody would like to face you as an „opponent“ if they knew what you’re doing. You are essentially cheating on yourself by even defending your mistakes.

  • @nightjar5226
    @nightjar5226 Pƙed rokem +66

    I’m still amazed about how arguably the best chess player to ever exist suspects a CONFIRMED CHEATER of cheating in a game and everyone just jumps to the conclusion that he must be salty for losing. If it were possible for Fischer to be in Magnus’ position givin his goat status you guys would be all over his knob in agreement.

    • @Steven-bc7wk
      @Steven-bc7wk Pƙed rokem

      Exactly. So many punks like Maurice Ashley etc. Maybe his nationality has something to do with it? Being American and young.

    • @StefanReich
      @StefanReich Pƙed rokem +4

      Wow you actually snuck the word knob in there

    • @aluminiumknight4038
      @aluminiumknight4038 Pƙed rokem +2

      Goat who?

    • @FlamingFalconMan
      @FlamingFalconMan Pƙed rokem +10

      The thing is. None of these are proof hand cheated in this situation. Is it likely? Maybe. But is it fair to convict someone without sufficient evidence? No. Even if they have done it before.
      The whole reason it’s like this, is this is Hans life, his career. And if we prevent him from playing and are wrong.. it’s quite the injustice.
      Also, the majority agreed with Magnus that Hans is cheating look at all the gms and chats that made them interview Hans, but his silence made it a but suspicious, why? Because he was unwilling to confirm until later. Which he has finally done affirming his stance, where even more people are believing Magnus.

    • @FlamingFalconMan
      @FlamingFalconMan Pƙed rokem +3

      But until Hans is caught, or the evidence reaches in irrefutable level. It’s not really right to prevent him from participating.

  • @henkjones
    @henkjones Pƙed rokem +16

    There's something important I think they haven't asked Hans Niemann. He has admitted to have cheated twice. But he didn't say which games they were. If Hans did cheat in 2 games as he has admitted, Hans can name those 2 games. His memory is very good i saw in old interviews, such as Youth World Championship 2019, so this can't be a problem. If there are more than 2 games in which he did cheat he will also know them. If the cheating was more intense then he did lie but will nevertheless be able to remember in which tournaments he did cheat. It will not be pleasant for him to name the games where he did cheat but I think it will help to explore statistics in the games of Hans.

    • @dexio8601
      @dexio8601 Pƙed rokem

      Hook him up to a polygraph....

    • @streetchronicles9025
      @streetchronicles9025 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@dexio8601 give him the truth serum

    • @dexio8601
      @dexio8601 Pƙed rokem

      @@streetchronicles9025 đŸ€Ł

    • @Jealod24
      @Jealod24 Pƙed rokem +2

      I don’t think he was referring to just two games when he admitted to cheating twice
 he was saying that he cheated on two separate occasions, over a period of time. Once was a cash tournament and the other time was over the course of a day or few days and he cheated to level up his account to play against IM’s and GM’s. But even if I’m right in my interpretation, no doubt he can still remember the dates and/or tournament(s)

    • @keithmatthews1673
      @keithmatthews1673 Pƙed rokem

      @@dexio8601 The Klingon mind probe!

  • @fvr6715
    @fvr6715 Pƙed rokem +14

    Breaking news:Hans is also a confessed cheater. Last time was just 3 years ago

    • @evylrune
      @evylrune Pƙed rokem

      *wink wink*

    • @windy8544
      @windy8544 Pƙed rokem +1

      last time he was caught

    • @donquixote8462
      @donquixote8462 Pƙed rokem

      That's not news at all. Well known. At least by anyone not sticking their head in the sand.

  • @GreatUSTreasureHunt
    @GreatUSTreasureHunt Pƙed rokem +6

    Plot twist...it was Hans that taught Maxime how to cheat.

  • @tochukwutk5190
    @tochukwutk5190 Pƙed rokem +9

    Hans:"My coach speaks for himself"...not me😂

  • @GrayCatbird1
    @GrayCatbird1 Pƙed rokem +3

    “If I had this gadget I would be killing people left and right, and nobody would know. This is the real danger, because if a 2600 player has this thing, he knows exactly how to behave, he knows exactly when to think, and he doesn’t to use it more than four times during a game. That’s plenty to destroy anyone. At the critical junction you switch it on and find out which way do I go: oh, this little nuance I didn’t see, okay, fine, boom, goodbye! That’s it.” - Maxim Dlugy, in a 2013 interview on how he caught a cheater the previous year.
    Kind of aged like milk with all that’s going on didn’t it.

  • @CaptnCondor
    @CaptnCondor Pƙed rokem +27

    Hikaru’s “Oh No” gets me every time

  • @daroaminggnome
    @daroaminggnome Pƙed rokem +103

    inb4 Hans defenders: "tHeReS sTiLl nO eVidEnCe, MaGnUs iS a SoRe LoSeR"

    • @soniablanche5672
      @soniablanche5672 Pƙed rokem +23

      what evidence ?

    • @jarisarasvu0
      @jarisarasvu0 Pƙed rokem +14

      well there still is no evidence as far as i know, so he shouldn't receive any sanction. would be naive to believe hans though with the info we have

    • @FelixIsGood
      @FelixIsGood Pƙed rokem +17

      Reminds me of: "Russia didn't invade Ukraine, it's NATO's fault".

    • @FelixIsGood
      @FelixIsGood Pƙed rokem +20

      @@soniablanche5672 Actually there is evidence, some 100% precision games and 90% precision, watch the other Videos on this topic.

    • @obsidaisy7776
      @obsidaisy7776 Pƙed rokem

      But it was NATO's fault. NATO was using their puppet Zelensky to impoverish the Ukrainian people and militarize the Russian border.

  • @dimitrikemitsky
    @dimitrikemitsky Pƙed rokem +1

    Listen, just because his coach was caught cheating, and then his coach admitted cheating, and then his coach was banned from formal competition, and then he was caught cheating, and then he was caught cheating a second time, then he was banned from the world's biggest chess site for undisclosed additional cheating, doesn't mean he cheated THIS time!

  • @renishisrael9520
    @renishisrael9520 Pƙed rokem +7

    Hikaru !! Man , you r doing a great job by keeping us updated . Thank you for that and also for giving your opinions openly unlike other creators .

  • @zendoclone1
    @zendoclone1 Pƙed rokem +9

    how does this keep getting worse for niemann? Every time I think we've reached the bottom, it just falls out and theres just more.

  • @Daojyn
    @Daojyn Pƙed rokem +4

    This is becoming ridiculous, with cheating becoming harder and harder to detect (I'm almost sure they only catch the bad cheaters online there has to be some that get away with it if they are doing it discreetly) there shouldn't even be a second chance anymore if the cheater is of legal age.

  • @SonySingh-bh7xb
    @SonySingh-bh7xb Pƙed rokem +10

    The thing is hans didn't cheat 2 times he got caught 2 times think about it its so deep

    • @mrfool3545
      @mrfool3545 Pƙed rokem

      The deep??

    • @JimMyung
      @JimMyung Pƙed rokem

      @@mrfool3545 Deep thoughts with the Deep.

  • @fractal_mind562
    @fractal_mind562 Pƙed rokem +4

    Its insane to me that people are believing that he got help from a student who used AI. He CLEARLY invented that excuse after the fact.

  • @acediadekay3793
    @acediadekay3793 Pƙed rokem +14

    Thank you Hikaru for covering this.
    You are handling it very professionally, focusing on the fact, not making a clown show out of it and without adding inappropriate rumors to the discord.

  • @pjano11
    @pjano11 Pƙed rokem +7

    The amount of Hans bots in the comments section is insane

  • @lyndsiedrapeau527
    @lyndsiedrapeau527 Pƙed rokem +11

    Just remember, according to the numbers, Hans is the greatest player of all time

    • @user-bj7um9uj6r
      @user-bj7um9uj6r Pƙed rokem +5

      In just 3 years the number overtook the greatest player of all time which takes 10 - 20 years...stunning impressive!

  • @JakeLondonRivers
    @JakeLondonRivers Pƙed rokem +18

    I am absolutely loving this - the "circumstantial evidence" just gets better and better, still no word from Hans. What a reach it is to trust the reigning chess world champion who has no history of cheating.

    • @billj4525
      @billj4525 Pƙed rokem

      Id be curious to how sure Magnus is that Hans was cheating during that game in the sinqfield cup. I wonder what % chance Magnus thinks Hans was cheating. Im sure decently high, because he wouldn't throw Hans under the bus if he didn't think there wasn't a reasonable chance. At the same time I think if Magnus had won the game in a hard fought game or even had drawed he wouldn't have claimed Hans cheated. Maybe losing was good though since it made Magnus more aware of a serious issue. Having said that I don't know if he cheated, and if he did there needs to be proof. I don't think his career should be ruined at this level without proof.

    • @JakeLondonRivers
      @JakeLondonRivers Pƙed rokem +5

      @@billj4525 I mean honestly that game can go either way, psychologically it's very possible Magnus already had the heavy assumption of him cheating and self sabotage himself, which is another topic that I still think is unfair at that level to have to play a known cheater. However, I don't think cheating is as hard for great chess players as people think, simply knowing the positional rating of each move is more than enough.

    • @suckieduckie
      @suckieduckie Pƙed rokem +1

      @@JakeLondonRivers Magnus played a line that he never played before and he was considering not playing the tournament in the first place. I think he set a trap for Niemann. He purposefully designed an opening that was weird so that Niemann had to resort to his engine multiple times so that he could prove afterwards that Niemann played weird engine only moves.

    • @heytigers3104
      @heytigers3104 Pƙed rokem

      @@suckieduckie oooh good read.

  • @Irfanhill
    @Irfanhill Pƙed rokem +11

    That kind of adds up to quite a lot...
    First, rumors and a cold welcome to Niemann (especially compared to -other- young prodigies like Alireza and Praag), then the whole Magnus/Sinquefield Drama. Then the online cheating revelations. Then the Yosha & co proof. And now the root of it all.