I Will Not Watch These Linux YouTubers
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- čas přidán 9. 11. 2020
- In this rant, I talk about why I don't watch much Linux CZcams content. I talk about three categories of CZcamsrs that I especially take issue with, and how these kinds of CZcamsrs are completely missing the mark with their coverage of Linux.
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>If your thumbnail is some weird mix of emojis and pepe the frog memes
So many shots fired at luke
Lol true
I love Luke's thumbnails, and the "clickbait" titles he makes are pretty funny
@@MrShedom8 same his thumbnails crack me up
He doesn't use emojis though?
@@Subzearo some videos did have emojis on the thumbnail
Linux, Mac and Windows. Sounds like Chris Titus.
LOL, I was thinking of Chris Titus the whole time while watching this.
Chris also has the video: Ubuntu is the Devil.
He needs to split his channel to appease both sides. Having worked in IT for 30+ years I see him as a dual tower specialist rather than a generalist. Can't comment to his Mac expertise.
Or wolfgang channel
I can't put a finger on it, but something about his videos really bothers me.
I'm in the exact same boat with Linux videos, when I've got free time I usually watch the furthest possible thing I can possibly find, lately it's been a lot of skit comedy.
You need to focus on those uni finals! ;)
Brodie you're the best!
@@DistroTube If I had a dollar for every time someone said that after I made that video
Get it done then Brodie!
@@jasonbagshaw5345 my infinite money printer?
7:43 Luke Smith and Mental Outlaw are crying
I pretty much watched the whole video anticipating him to start talking about Luke.
And lunduke
Lmao same ahah
Luke is a meme :P
I love Luke.. he’s a funny dude. He’s gone way beyond being a Linux you tuber
@@JohnMiller-mmuldoor he's gone way beyond sanity.
And Gartener
Man that title is very clickbait (I just hate clickbait )
Thanks. Exactly what I was going for. ;)
@@DistroTube xD
@@DistroTube legend
@@DistroTube almost as much as that "arch is the best beginners distro" video. You're welcome.
missed opportunity to capitalize "NOT"
Are we finally getting it?
Is the Linux CZcams community having drama 🤣🤣
hahah
Lol. Some of these guy are just taking things too seriously. When I heard these people argue about bloat software just to save several Mb ram in their 32gigs ram system, desregarding user experience, I was speechless
@@gappergob6169 yeah ik they are calling Sudo bloat now lol
@@InvalidUser_ umm
CZcams recommends me this channel, then a fat loudmouth who hates everything and anything that could possibly exist outside of linux, then lots of people with no idea, and then people making "N things that Linux is better at than ". xD
"Linux CZcams" is a mess...a big one.
Just wanted to point something out about Linus Tech Tips.
I think it's misleading to call that channel a Linux channel, and then bash them for not supporting FOSS. Because they aren't a Linux youtube channel. They're a tech tips channel (it's right there in the name), and, I would say, for the most part, a PC gaming channel. So of course they're not going to support FOSS. Because when a Linux video does make it into their uploads, it's not about promoting Linux and the FOSS movement, it's about gaming on Linux, and what about the experience has gotten better since X amount of time ago when they made their last video on the subject. Nothing about gaming has to do with FOSS. So why should a channel about gaming support it?
Now if you aren't interested in gaming, I can see why you wouldn't be interested in that channel. But you shouldn't say you aren't interested in it because it's a bad Linux channel, you should say you aren't interested because it isn't a Linux channel at all.
Thank you. I totally concur.
He's not said the "causal Linux channels" are bad, he said aren't for him (but great to get people into Linux)
Its not a tech tips channel nothing said there should ever be taken as tips...its a pure entertainment channel and their name is a misnomer...
Nothing in gaming has to do with FOSS? What about tuxcart?
:0
@@hansdampf2284 and tux race o.o
You mentioned Linus. I've been on linux for 8 months because of him, don't ever want to go back. I assume others have too
Oh, Linus talking about Linux has its upsides. I remember him mentioning Manjaro on a video a year or so ago, and the Manjaro team said that their ISO was downloaded more than million times in the months following that.
Anything involving Linux on LTT, Anthony is the brains behind it.
@@DistroTube Appreciate the sub DT. Hope to reach the quality you produce someday.
@@DistroTube
I think Linus's video is perfectly valid because he's not claiming to be an expert or anything. It's perfectly valid for him to make Linux video's on how things have gotten much better on Linux gaming. He's not really under the category of "casual Linux youtuber" cause he's not even a Linux youtuber in the first place.
@The uggster no the linus that is being referred to here is Linus Sebastian who is the youtuber behind linus tech tips. The linus that created Linux is named Linus Torvalds and trust me when I say that their similarlities end at their names haha.
While I do agree that Linus' (from LTT) knowledge on linux is pretty lacking, he at least always seems to make sure that Anthony is there in all of the videos that involve linux. I think Anthony does a great job of keeping the information in the videos true to the ideologies of linux. Idk though, maybe that's just my opinion and I'm completely wrong about this 🤷♂️
Seems legit. I imagine DT's only real problem with Anthony is that he isn't more committed to Linux-first.
LTT lost all his legitimacy for me...untrustable...
God bless Anthony
anthony is actually richard stallman's son
Im glad to see Anthony is the top comment. He deserves it.
Derek's making the Linus face in the thumbnail
I thought about attempting a Linus accent but I can't talk that fast or high-pitched. Opportunity missed.
Speeding talk is hard to understand for me where english not my native
@@abdulwahabjag yeah
@@favor94 I found out in real life fast talkers in english and spanish cannot sustainably keep that speed.
They have to drop in 4-letter words to keep the stream running. As soon as I skipped those 4-letter words
when listening they came down to a reasonable speed. It works the other way as well. Repeating a sentence
three times and the guy could not understand me. I took a deep breath and put a 4-letter word between
each and every word of my sentence. The guy answered: "Oh, I did not know that you could speak a decent
english". The French in Quebec are just like that. They use words you'll find in no dictionary.
@@DistroTube The real opportunity missed here is a segue to your sponsor: …
An addition to this three groups. Not even watching other linux youtubers, labelling them into three categories. The labelers ... ;) .
He made several videos about other youtubers you should watch. I didn't watch them (they are just in recommendations), but I assume they are about linux rather than grooming little doggies.
"Ubuntu is the devil" heard that somewhere
titus 😆😆😆
It uses gnome. That's all I need to know about it to know it sucks
come on this is post-irony
@Pc And Playstation Gamer Funny joke dude
Titus intensifies ahah
He makes good content in general tho
DT Notes:
Provocateur - Talk about Bryan Lunduke without mentioning his name.
I've been to many Brian Lunduke Linux talks in real life...
He is a major pro Linux advocate. He has been using the 'Linux sucks' titles as clickbait for years. He attends MANY Linux gatherings in real life!
I've been watching Wendel from L1T since before Level1Techs. I'm a long time forum member and supporter. I do wish he had more Linux content, but when he does it's gold.
He does have an entire Linux Channel
He doesn't post lots of videos but they're good quality indeed. I feel like people like Linus Tech Tips have a decent knowledge about hardware, but very poor knowledge when it comes to software. Most Linux channels have a very good knowledge about software, but many times very basic knowledge about hardware...Wendel on the other hand is very knowledgeable on both sides
@@baldpolnareff7224 I know... I've been around since before it was a Linux channel...
DT: LTT doesn't know much about linux
anthony: am i a joke to u?
For real...
I mean he is using arch linux for more than 5 years
@@starrymohannad I wonder if Hank Hill has ever used Linux.
Linus doesn't I guess
Provocateur: DT is not bald.
There's nothing controversial about that one, Fr.
It is always nice to find classic Dominican wit in little places like this :)
When I scroll down to read comments and cannot see the video, it becomes SchrodingerDistroTube. He is both bald and not-bald at the same time, until I scroll back up and see that he is not bald.
I've been in tech 20 years now, a Windows, Linux and Mac System admin to varying degrees in various businesses. I got to say, I disagree on the fence rider portion. I wouldn't let my mum use Linux, I wouldn't tell a programmer to use windows, and I wouldn't tell a gamer to buy a Mac. Suffice to say, Windows has a lot of faults, Apple has a lot of faults, Linux has a lot of faults, but they also all have their up sides too. Just because its not open-source doesn't mean its not good, and doesn't mean it doesn't have a place.
czcams.com/video/MreyOrYItr4/video.html
You make some good points. I DO have my mom using Linux (Ubuntu) and I use Windows daily for my work. I also use a Mac daily, but I don't play any games.
I actually put my parents on Zorin Lite (old computer that is dying) and they actually prefer it to Win10. I am interested to see when they choose to upgrade their machine if they want to stick with Win11 or have me put Zorin back on there.
@@foxhollow7908 How does Zorin run on the system? Were they running Windows 10 on that same system? If so, why install Zorin Lite instead of the full version?
@@TheCocoaDaddy Yep it runs like a champ. I don't recall the specs on their PC (SSD and pre i series cpu with 4GB ram), but it is about 12 years old and on its last legs. Win10 wasn't running so well on it and they didn't want to upgrade their machine. I put a SSD in there about a year ago, and it helped, but it is just on its way to the scrap heap. I put the lite version on there because it is so old, I didn't even try putting core on; however it most likely would have worked alright I am thinking. Once they got over the fact that they were going to use Linux and actually started using it they really liked it, and it had a noticeable performance increase on their machine. I am hoping to get another year or two out of it before the processor finally says it has had enough.
@@foxhollow7908 I'm digging it!
The more I watch you, the more I like you... It's been the opposite with most of these Linux CZcamsrs for the exact reasons you list here. Thanks, keep up the good work.
DT and Mental Outlaw are the two people i am interested in listening to on Linux and tech in general. As a non-american i also enjoy getting their opinions on somehow connected topics about the US, the GAFAs, etc...
Mental Outlaw is just Luke in diet version. Also, i have never seen someone so efficient at manipulating stuff in tech community
@@5fr4ewq You responded to a 2 year old comment to say that...
@@canoshizrocks And?
It's funny that you're describing provocateurs as if you are not one yourself. 😂 Also, I personally love Bryan Lunduke, even if I don't always agree with him.
The fourth type of Linux CZcamsr: The Hypocrite
@Its GNU /Freedom I think he is describing Brian
@@DistroTube I'm new here(not Linux though), but am interested in what's your beef I.e where or when started and how, if I may ask? I read on reddit or something that Luke had attacked you several times before, and was simply curious. I even googled "distrotube luke smith beef" to no avail lol. BTW, you already included Luke specifically in one of your three catagories(by mentioning pepe the frog or whatever named), so no need somewhat acting like you didn't do that, though with the new catagory doesn't sound like you're ducking anything, so maybe im mistaken with that assumption. I like you both, only watched few of Luke's vids and somewhat regular on your channel since late - not much I don't know already but like your personality and content regardless. Thanks, and keep up the good job :) (unrelated but virtualbox is faster than qemu(with kvm enabled), despite popular opinion, tested multiple times, atleast for desktop, and also has full CLI-interface, so would recommend using that, but your choise of-course - I did see your vid of switching over though, and not liking oracle that much, but regardless) Edit: Just found out lunduke isn't the same as Luke lol, sorry just figured Luke then was a chosen anagram or something, so please disregard the mention about already being included through pepe frog remark :)
@@DistroTube Everyone's a hypocrite DT
Lunduke is 100% vegan soy.
working as certified windows and linux administrator i personally, don't care which kind of os, distro, or software i use or have to use as long as it fits into the requirements and if possible is the fastest way to reach a goal. i watch linux and windows content on youtube to get my work done not for a movement or political reasons.
Liked because you chose to be ignorant. Good luck!
Same except I'm a casual user. I don't really care about FOSS and Richard Stallman that much, i just like the software.
yeah me too i am a second year uni student and just use a dual boot system, use linux as my daily driver(studying,scripting,coding,watching movies etc ) and windows just for gaming. I just like the software of linux distros more
listen if u try to sell linux to people using "its not the tech, it's the philosophy" not a single souls gonna switch.
This video is clickbait... He just talks about polybar.
The only good Linux CZcamsrs are the bal... I mean, shaved headed ones
Free and Open-Source headed ones
Hair is bloat
And yet no one's discussed GoboLinux yet.
@@itslikemagic123 As a bald man myself, I laughed out loud. Hair is overrated and will slow you down. (actually, it's pretty tough getting a date being bald. I was lucky and lost my hair after I was married.)
TBH, most Linux YT content is not worth your time, including many (but not all) DT videos.
His videos are getting increasingly worse, that’s what caused me to unsub today. ArchBang was cringe and horrible. Stop talking about distros they are pretty much the same but archbang is just zen installed and called a distro.
DT at times I’ve seriously disagreed with particular positions of yours but, you have been the most consistent & focused. I’ve also learned more useful information from you than any other Linux Channel.
This reminded me of how much more OpenBSD-youtubers I want out there. Please Derek, do something on it. It needs more attention and there are not so many opinion-"pro's" on that side.
The only BSD ytber i know is RoboNuggie, if im not wrong sometimes he doing BSD ytber shotout on his channel. I aggree they need more attention
@@favor94 RoboNuggie is excellent. DT has mentioned RoboNuggie before, recommending that channel, actually.
With the linux foundation being subverted by identity politics and big money big tech, I'm more and more interested in fugu (pufferfish in english, yes I meant open bsd). For me the only thing that keeps the spirit of linux alive is the gpl.
@@yahallo4423 I know what you mean, and I couldn't take it. I may get some hate now but I think that the Linux world is slowly converting to some SJW-kind of Microsoft. Can't explain better in English (I'm Swedish). But somewhere during the "trying to like-period" of Linux, I re-discovered OpenBSD. Of course I WM/DE-hopped the hell out of it and was frustrated about the lack of GUI-wifi widgets. But it took the least amount I ever seen to learning to use it. It takes just a tiny re-calibration of yourself and boom, you cannot understand how someone would use the broken mess that everybody else stand for. The most important bit I learned when converting to OBSD is that if it lacks something you "need", the lack is by a very good reason. If soething is good, it finds it's way in to OpenBSD sooner or later. If it's not good, you better learn to step avay. So today I only use as much as possible from base and try to stick with minimalistic "add-ons" and as little bloat as possible. So Firefox, Avahi and PcManFm and dbus is there. Otherwise I try to stick to TCL/Tk and Motif-apps. And never forget that video Derek did about sudo vs. doas. That's what it's all about. And the crasy thing is that OpenBSD still is the most easy thing to get up and running there is. I NEVER has to fiddle with all the junk that's always a must in other OS'es or distros. Use the correct hardware, throw bad apps ou of your life, pkg_add the stuff you need, do some syspatch now and then, edit some dead simple config-files for your needs, and enjoy your trouble free digital life. If it crashes, statistically it's a hardware problem. At last, when writing something like this, there is always that one guy that has to point out "well where's your bla bla-app/driver/function then?". Don't be that guy. If you're running Linux, you know all about it already. Where's your Photoshop, Matlab or iCloud? The simple thing is that what I wanted when I started with Linux is gone (with the exception of maybe Slackware). To go from Linux to OpenBSD has a similar feeling from decades ago when I switched from Mac and Win to the early versions of Mandrake, Redhat and Slackware. The best thing about OpenBSD is that it seem to stay true to their philosophies. And at last, someone may be tempted to try FreeBSD for some fuzzyness. Don't do it. I don't know what's the matter with it but I have never gotten it to work properly. You have to tinker with it so much so it's a mess before you even got basic power management to (sort of) work. So to you all out there who has grown tired of all bloat, crap, drama and bugs. Just do it. Go OpenBSD. Put your rubbish closed source hardware in the bin and learn to live without your childplay apps, and just do it. The things you were looking for in Linux is not there anymore. Take an old mans advice and install something proper.
I think this is a bit misleading to say that you don't watch Linux content creators, when what you're saying is that you are only interested in FLOSS content, which may include Linux, but FLOSS content approaches the subject from the more philosophical/political standpoint. From this side, Linux is more of a side topic rather than a main focus of the channel.
Some of those other channels that you talked about, on the other hand, comes from the tech side. They aren't that much into the philosophical/political background of why people creates Linux and other free and open source software, but just looking into Linux as a tech tool. From what I can see, people who are non-positional are likely because they're covering Linux from this purely technical standpoint.
Personally, I have no problems with either types of content creators. You just have to know whether you're looking for Linux educational content or FLOSS advocacy, these are two very different content types, even though they may sometimes share certain topics. Most content creators have varying degrees of mix between educational and advocacy content.
Some content creators aren't interested in FLOSS advocacy, or they don't want it to be the focus of their channel, and that's fine. Not all Linux related contents need to be advocacy.
@Fine Wine I think it was Free&Libre Open Source Software. It’s just another way to say FOSS.
@Fine WineOh, it was Free/Libre, not Free&Libre. I think word “Libre” is also used because Free can also mean “Free of cost”. Both have similar meanings in this context.
Finally. Well said.
None of these backgrounds are mutually exclusive; I, for one, opt for FLOSS due to its technical advantages. No matter what you do, since the code is out there, you can change it to suit your needs. Combined with the Unix phlosophy of the modular operating system, there are no limits besides the speed of light and the amount of matter in the universe.
@yvrelna yes you are right, but what is a content , and who is content creator... someone who has a lot of experiences and want to pass it to others.. or someone who knows how to create content so he is creating. people behind linux are smart , their advocacy is on place. and it's warming inside your heart.
and to others flooding comments with their shitty comments - do you realize that you can google it ? and shitload of comments will burry the good ones ? think about it before you post it... why others have to see it? that you are incapable of searching, or pinpointing something... you are not adding any value to idea that is created, are you lonely or what ? or just a kid.
oh, I forgot, even " not smart " people can be online, have a nice day and do not waste our mother earth
Authenticity, honesty and integrity are often secondary to boosting likes/views for most CZcamsrs -- but not on this channel. 👍😉 Your sincere interest and devotion to Linux are appreciated...you're the real deal. Thank you.
What's interesting is the happy medium of "having an opinion" but not being right out to just start trouble in name of being edgy. People can take a stance without trying to just piss everyone off or seem "dangerous"
Hey DT!
I love free and open source software. I think it's affordable and great for both trust and educational value and is a great contribution to the world, and I fully support using such software and promoting it.
What I don't understand is why you hate proprietary software. I've seen you address the question but you seem to always avoid answering it. Is it because you distrust any software where you or others can't verify exactly what it's doing? Or is it something else?
I hope to contribute to open source software at some point, but I'm a full time professional software developer. During the day, I get paid to work on proprietary software, as do countless other software developers around the world, to develop products that people can use. At the end of the day, even free and open source software runs on proprietary hardware. The inner workings of your CPU are a black box.
So in short, I fully understand and support the free and open software movement, but why are you against proprietary software? What's fundamentally wrong with it in your opinion? And why are you opposed to other CZcamsrs who both like Linux and are also okay with proprietary software?
Love all your videos, peace!
You should watch just one Richard Stallman lecture.. I don't think his philosophy is necessarily realistic for the world to put into practice, but he is one of those people that draws a hard line about something very fundamental, and though while he will seem crazy to people, he will, in the process of being extremely consistent in his ideology, make some very important points about the dangers of giving up certain rights, even if this ideology is not necessarily practicable for the whole world. If you want to make sense of the overall distaste for proprietary software you really should just watch one of his talks and even if you don't agree with all of it, I think you will find that there is some value in his perspective on why it is important to at least ensure that you have alternatives and that you don't just give up control of your devices and information to corporations and governments and licenses etc.
@@jamielambrecht9419 Thanks! I've been curious for a while, and every time DT addresses this question, he turns it into a joke about proprietary garbage, so I never actually knew what the argument against proprietary software was. I wish DT would be more open about it since simply hearing "proprietary garbage" over and over doesn't exactly tell me why I should care.
I watched a few of Richard Stallman's lectures (though they're essentially rehashes of each other haha) and I finally get it! It's very fascinating and I understand why some would view running "secret code" to be potentially malicious. I certainly feel the same way whenever I download and run new software. In the end, I'm not likely to give up all proprietary software (especially since that would mean giving up my smartphone completely!) but this is certainly something I'll be keeping an eye out for wherever possible. I agree that it's not completely realistic.
@@Zalgryth Librem 5. Or just use a custom ROM with F-Droid.
I assume you still don't get it. Companies like Microsoft, Apple, who have created or creating proprietary softwares along with the OS gets a tons of money when they sell on the market. However, there's no benefit on our end, and most relevant reason is that they also sell our data. Well most of.
Closed-source/proprietary software often comes with "extra" stuff which may or may not be affiliated with other companies and you may or may not want to opt out them. Closed-source software main definition should be "we don't share our product source code, because we fear, anyone can copy our piece of software and can make another one. We also fear, someone else can find vulnerabilities to break our reputation". And this is absolutely ridiculous thought. Open-source means to be "this piece of software can be access by anyone, know how a stuff work on a certain criteria, and even modify to get your desired or own application."
And there the issue comes.
Most of proprietary software control our hands and doesn't give us full-control to do what we really want. And most importantly 97% of proprietary software in today's era doesn't care about our privacy, they literally sell our data. DT, want to express about this.
This also doesn't means that I hate proprietary software/environment. However, if they truly does what they should be without doing anything worse, then I don't think there's really we need to tell the word "dislike".
@@destroyer-of-disks that may actually be false. For a big - and I mean large - open-source projects, there is a chance that no one actually checked the code down to the last symbol. There is a possibility that all of us think "nah, there must be a guy who actually read and audited that code", when in reality none of us have done it, LOL
I want to start breaking into Linux content and this was a really good video about what not to do. Especially the last bit. I use windows for my gaming content (and that’s it!) but I HATE using windows. I want to focus on Linux gaming and hopefully bring some light to the huge leaps we have made in gaming and how windows no longer traps folks 100%. There is still work to do, but I hope I can motivate some folks to get involved in helping push Linux gaming forward :). Love your channel! Not sure how I missed this video a year ago lol
1. Linux Tech Tips, Snazzy Labs
2. Chris Titus Tech
3. Baby Wogue
Isnt baby wogue the anime guy who talks about ui and nothing else
@@bigpod I'm not saying anything bad about those channels. I love them
@@dogtools1005 it's a little bit on the controversial side of things usually. Also man.... That guy is weird.
Yeah, I only watch Luke Smith for the memes and sometimes the hot takes, Baby Wogue for the fun and DT cause he has useful information (not always, but I don't blame him, you can't do right by everyone.
Other than that, you really have to figure stuff out by yourself.
also nixie pixel is back. She used to do useful stuff. I'll wait and see, I guess.
@@jorditribo94 The only one I don't like in your list is Titus, his vids are so bloated I'd have to sit down 20 minutes and I still can't find the information I'm looking for.
Seeing your Arch mug in the background reminded me I need to do my weekly update. Thanks DT.
Daily update...lol
Hey DT, I run Linux Mint XFCE for many years, how can I know which packages that I run are not open source, I know for sure the mp3 codecs but do not know much about it... could you give me hints.... thanks and cheers from this tropical latitude Costa Rica...
Chris Titus used to be the first one, now he's simultaneously the second and third.
@Dio Titus lol no.
@Dio Titus Because you can't seem to know how to go to the settings and turn off notifications when receiving messages from people purposely making fun of your intelligence? Take care,
I like Chris Titus. He's fine.
@@mikedw6748Talking to me fatso?
I was a casual Linux CZcamsr, but then I became obsessed 😅
You are my main youtube creator. I've been liking the just talking to the camera content you have been putting out recently.
I agree. But at the same time, any mention of Linux out there is still beneficial since it gets the word out.
pfp sauce pls
@@Yuriyalloween coomer
I like your courage to speak up about these sensitive topics. For my, the most annoying are the ones trying to teach how to install software using aptitude on a "supposed" advanced topic video
I noticed that almost all linux youtubers keep a matrix terminal in the background.
lol
I just recently found your channel and really like the content and the quality of what you speak (and how you speak).
Agreed! I recommend everyone read the book, "Just For Fun; The Story Of An Accidental Revolutionary" before diving into Linux. A fun book that gave me a basic understanding of the philosophy and origins of the free and open software movement.
I knew which channels you were referring to immediately!
I'm somewhat between Casual and fence rider (but not a YTber lul) and I'm fine with that. I think it's totally possible to "just use" your PC, i "like" every package manager, that installs packages, which all of them do. And it's great if there are (linux-)YTbers for those people.
hy dt im also a new to linux and i don't know philosophy if linux and fsf , can u plz make a video on it?
I appreciate Tyler's Tech, TechHut and sometimes your content.
There are also one or two german ones that are good in demonstrating new distros and that is exactly what I want. I want to have a good impression of a Linux distro when I searched for it.
THE FROG IS ALL ABOUT LUKE SMITH XD
All about white supremacist. That is the really ugly part about Luke Smith.
@@elimgarak3597 take your meds
@@sickerthanyouraverage701 dilate
@@elimgarak3597 I hear this here and there, but haven’t seen evidence or hints of it. Can you point to a particular video please.
I am a 40 year IT veteran. Linux, FOSS etc is not a religion, it is not a movement it is a Kernel and application layers just like Windows, MacOS, Unix. Tribalism is stupid and the whole us and them BS is illogical. Just like a builder uses the most appropriate tool for the job, use the most appropriate OS/App for the job and leave the religion at the door.
Actually it is a movement. For 9-5 whitecollars with kids is not. For all others yes it is. You woulndt have a single usable desktop without it. Prcisely without thousands of enthusiasts working on it for free and on their free time.
Average thing somebody who doesn't understand the philosophy behind a movement would say
Linux is a kernel built for Unix compatibility, Unix was a kernel and is now a computing philosophy, and Windows and MacOS are desktop shells. You could (but probably won't) run MacOS over Linux using Unix.
Linux is the product of, and only exists because of a movement...
@MΛX I wasn't talking about Linux at all, but about free software
Hey DT. I like your channel a lot. Just in general. Good stuff!
The Brazilian viewers may think about Diolinux when DT talks about the fence rider type.
I really like linux and the open source movement, but I don't think I would be using linux if it weren't based on Unix, so there is technical merit.
It's not based on Unix, "unix based" is just an expression to say that it follows unix's way of doing things, Linux has been written from scratch
Brodie Robertson doesn't fall into any of those categories... Awesome 😎
I cannot wait for the video responses, I'm gonna need more popcorn...
Dude, I have a feeling Joe Collins is gonna throw a hissy fit over this! I don't think he was directly targeted by DT in this video, but Joe is the type of dude that is gonna take great offense to this!
Hey I resemble these remarks :P :D I hope you're doing well.
I'm doing as well as can be expected in such a crazy year. Hope all is well with you, sir.
@@DistroTube That's fantastic to hear :D Sorry I haven't been around as much though.
Hopefully I will be again soon
What's the problem with pepe thumbnails?
if you asks me i prefer both this channel and the linux experiment the most,
and recently tge linux for everyone is improving alot and i started to like them more
I had a good laugh on latest Nick video where he trashes that 1500 laptop. I want to see honest people like him doing reviews, not your typical Linux reviewer that even when they say they're not sponsored, you can clearly see they are in some way. I'm still not sure about Jason, I liked him more when he was smaller.
i love your channel , even tho im not the best with linux yet, i still have a windows system to, but im trying on a extra pc i have so i can learn, been working on learning to make YT videos its alot harder than people think it is
I"v been a causal Linux user ever since I walked into a Barnes & Noble a while ago, and bought a copy of Linux for Dummies and Red Hat 6 - but now thanks to DT, I use the Awesome tiling window manager with Ubuntu running Cmatrix, Bpytop, and Htop all at once.
I partially agree with what you said in this video. However, I do have a counterargument arguing as to why these channels should continue to exist and be watched.
Every one of these types of channels has a place in the Linux/Unix/Darwin community. Those who speak about the technical and productive benefits of these operating systems only, in addition to reviewing entire distributions and more general topics, appeal to new users and those thinking of switching. They help newbies to decide their level of involvement and whether or not they wish to switch, when these people would normally not even be thinking about the FOSS community.
Those who do not take sides at any costs, instead opting to explain everything in depth, appeal to users with small amounts of experience in computers, who need unbiased reviews and tutorials. Some users actually do have compelling reasons to choose proprietary software as well as their open-source equivalents, and need to know which choice is best for them.
Finally, provocateurs act as countermeasures against arguments generally accepted by most people, allowing users to know why they might not make certain choices. Their videos provide compelling concerns about topics no one else argues against. Users with higher experience with computers could be attracted to some of this content, due to the fact that they posses the expertise to be able to look critically at every aspect of their device.
Sure, this content can be annoying to someone who is set in their ways, but for someone who is starting out, or is still building their opinion and their workflow, or wishes to know what they are sacrificing and could gain from an alternative, these channels can be invaluable. At least, these channels are invaluable when done well; I have nothing to argue for those who create subpar content.
"There is never anything wrong with anything."
This depends on the context and situation. I get what fence writers are doing and where they come from. Every piece f software has it's strengths in different areas. I use Windows, Mac and Linux in conjunction, because each has a different strength, including the software running on it. The Linux running on my old MacBook uses finit for instance, whilst my server uses systemd. Each has their strength - but sadly, it is never explicitly pronounced nor put into the foreground why one is better than the other in specific circumstances. "Everything is great - depending on what you do." would be a better statement by these people but... oh well. o.o
POGGERS on the thumbnail
no way! POGGERS DT skin unlocked.
Can you elaborate on free and Open Souce software?
He has a video on it... Check his channel.
I watch Luke Smith too :D
3) Tutorial - topic focused. One line at a time instructions typed in a on screen editor. No person or voice present in video. Almost always has a LOUD music soundtrack.
4) Video has an English title but that is it. Content ends up being in French, German, Russian, Tamil, Hindi, Romanian, Arabic, Urdu or some other language an English speaking user would not be expected to know.
A hard to describe [content wise] other category exists. These are almost always done in a very live [echo] room with poor mic usage. I've worked [well] with many people from non English speaking countries over the years. So don't judge. I use headphones and have half an eardrum on one side. Add to that age onset deafness (I'm over 65) and 40 years as a rock & roll musician. In total this make these people unintelligible. Sadly too is it is the category that has 99% of the Linux ladies.
4) is a fault of youtube. for some reason it decided that it's good idea to auto translate video titles. (If content is russian, content creator aims at Russian audience, so the title would be russian as well - otherwise russian audience might skip the video).
I'm just small time I talk about many things and ramble a lot on my channel and Linux is one of them. I spend free time listening to you guys when I can.
Having said that (was great btw),
what linux youtubers u do appereciate?
Ha THAT is the question😂
Type 1 : LTT, Snazzy Labs
Type 2: Chris Titus Tech
Type 3: Lunduke, Gardener Bryant (The Linux Gamer)
Forgot Type 4 Linux user "The Disavower" The guy tells you Linux works on every system! Six months later gets on CZcams and tells you he went back to Windows. Ask him what is wrong and denies Linux is a real OS.
LTT is not linux channel.
@@etopowertwon I agree but they do make occasional comments about Linux and have done things such as running Linux as a daily driver in 3 parts. So they do cover Linux in their remit even if not exclusively
Open Source is about building software that we can trust. It's amazing how many CZcamsrs don't get that.
That's the point. I don't even need to read the source code, because it's more reliable by design. I am pretty new to this FOSS thing, but I'll be using as much of it as possible for sure, for everything. Keep looking for alternatives to the proprietary garbage. Helping the world to become a better place by supporting the 'good guys', lol, one step at a time, no matter how tiny of a step that would be.
You mean "Free(Libre) Software"
"Open Source" was coined in 1998 to bury the ethical aspects of Free Software and only present practical values.
@@6500s1 More reliable? Is this why Hearbleed was bleeding in the wild for years?
I think Chris Titus' recent "Windows for gaming" video may have been the trigger here.
And what about The Linux Experiment or TechHut?
I don't see why anyone would HAVE to buy into the open source philosophy (which is basically a free farm for corporation who use kids thinking they are doing something for the community when it is in fact just working for yet ankther corporation but doing it for free). Not all of us use Linux are advocates for 'open source' or 'internet privacy' or 'freedom'. Subscribing to a specific ideology is just not a prerequisite for using, promiting or developing Linux.
Because it goes both ways. If there was no Netscape corporation, there would be no Firefox. If there was no Sun StarOffice there would be no OpenOffice/LibreOffice in the form they are. I would even say without Apple the internet would be less democratic and closed standards like Adobe Flash and Microsoft ActiveX would have prevailed. Of course you can argue that open source is basically a free farm for corporation but in the same way you could argue that Capitalism is basically accepted slavery where workers are thinking they are all doing on their will. I agree that you don't need to promote anything to use it but if you make content it helps.
@@gentuxable There are loads of benefits to open source software of course, but my piont was that you do not 'have' to be ideological about it in order to use, develop and promote some open source software or Linux. Dismissing someone as doing an injustice to 'Linux' because they are not a be all, end all, open source advocate just make no sense to me when there is also that other side to open source which is not all about 'freedom' but serving corporate interests (as well as, not exclusively).
@@mashygreen6974 I know and agree on that. Made a comment with similar content. But I felt triggered by a point of yours which might influence some readers. I just wanted to have put it in context.
02:28 Thank you for stressing this - the GNU philosophy vs proprietary garbage. This is so much more important than any technical aspect.
I like this, I am a casual user. I like linux for the free software. I watch Linux CZcamsrs to learn but too few actually explains software subs.
I'm new to having Linux as my daily driver and I agree 100% I appreciate real content thank you DT and team for being avid about this.
Hmmmm, I don't waste my time watching other Linux CZcamsrs BUT I don't like this channel and that channel after watching all this people doing this and that? Provocateur?
I always find it funny from the outside looking in seeing a CZcamsr who spends a lot of time educating others seeing people making content and being upset about how uneducated or dissatisfying they are. The “fence rider” might actually not care what anyone uses, because if one thing was objectively better, most people would probably use that thing. And why bother yourself over it? There’s going to be people calling you a shill or pretty much anything no matter what. Doesn’t mean it makes sense or you should pay attention to them. I get that someone trying to make everyone happy will make nobody happy, but maybe they simply don’t have a horse in the race, and that’s fine if they still have good informative content. That’s not to say that you shouldn’t point out the great uses for and champion Linux, but there’s no need to be combative about it. It’s just an odd paradox to me. Have you ever tried to reach out to these folks that you’ve put into boxes? While I agree regarding open source software, and differences like that are hard to overcome, I bet you could develop some relationships and improve their, and your own, content along the way.
Ty. I myself currently use a fully set up pop os on a separate ssd and all my main stuff from windows is on a different ssd so I have both. I have sooooo many problems finding good Linux content that isn't just x vs x
The upshot of the FOSS world is that it's the best way to enable anyone to start producing code that is competitive with any platform anywhere, and especially code that users find useful. So, yeah, in the sense that a lot of people are talking when they could be coding, this rant is totally right. But it's also okay, if you want to cash in on your code, as most of the 1st Gen of Linuxers has done by now, that's cool too, and helps in its way to support Linux, so ... um... bring your axe. :)
I could not agree with the first point more. If we put too much work in getting companies like Adobe to release their proprietary garbage for Linux, then we are no better off than we were in the 1990s. Even if Windows 10 dies and Microsoft as a company shuts down, technology will still suck so long as customers allow big companies to walk over them like doormats. And I think that's why many, many people have such a hard time switching to Linux, because they don't vote with their wallets and will continue to buy garbage from vendors no matter how badly these companies like Adobe treat them. This is what I think needs to stop.
Despite the fact that you seem to make this association, I heavily disagree that Linux is all about FOSS. I think you're conflating your views about free software and Linux's mere existence as (one of?) the most popular piece(s) of FOSS.
The biggest part of Linux instances running out there are run by corporations with closed source proprietary builds running on servers on Azure Cloud. Core Linux developers are mostly on big tech companies' payroll, and those corporations don't give a crap about FOSS.
The amount of money made on the shoulders of FOSS vs. what gets contributed back is ridiculously low. It's just not about the philosophy.
I'm personally waiting on WINE and Proton to improve more before I make a full on switch.
Linus is all three that you mentioned. He never has a position on anything, he constantly has clickbait titles, and he has marginal knowledge of Linux.
There's no problem with having a Linux channel and thinking other operating systems are good. It's like having a hotrod channel, but recognizing that not everyone should drive a hotrod as a daily driver. That particular channel just happens to focus on hotrods instead of economy cars. I honestly don't see the issue.
#4 Microsoft Advocate
If you are Linux CZcamsr and you are not bashing Microsoft you are not a Linux CZcamsr, You are devil's advocate :p
They make VSCode, and thus they let the community make VSCodium. And they created an entire operating system based on an executable archive file that's also the package file. But that's their two good points.
Hey, I am just a guy that loves linux with a youtube channel. Big fan of yours though DT.
TLDR: The channels I subscribe to are all good. Weird, the of the ones I follow are for the most part helpful. Maybe it depends how you search? When I search on a Linux topic it's usually how to do something in Linux (i.e. make a Shell command run at startup). I will and do watch videos on different distros or operating systems for entertainment and education.
"Ubuntu is the Devils!" oh wow I remember that title vividly from Chris Titus Tech.
He has always said that one of his favorite distro is elementary which is Ubuntu based
Then what should we see? (I don't speak english so there will be a lot of errors, typos)
Isn't it better to encourage people to try Linux, without putting your ideologies or ethics? Or promote Linux like you are doing? I think it's very clear.
What you talk about in this videos is pointless, want it or not you are going to bump against open source just with doing the switch to Linux.
About the title, it's just asking for hate, calling the shots looking for a response of the community
You literally give descriptions that can be refered to any big linux youtuber, because they are redundant opinions:
Putting memes on the thumbnail. Luke Smith or Mental Outlaw
Ubuntu is the devil. Chris Titus
Linux sucks. Bryan Lunduke
Windows(for gaming)is better. Chris Titus too
Mac OS
No te has dado cuenta que cuando DT quiere ser controversial, lo hace sólo porque sí, a él le encanta tomar posiciones y decir que todo el mundo está equivocado si no opina igual que él, al igual que el resto. Personalmente lo tomo como lo que pretende ser, puro material de entretención, porque no va a cambiar nada ni va a zanjar nada. Mañana seguramente Titus le va a responder, Baby Wogue lo va a convertir en Waifu con Blender, Luke va a barrer el piso con él, qué se yo... es sólo material de entretención y nadie debería tomarlo en serio. A menos que quieras dejarte la barba, afeitarte la cabeza, ir a vivir a algún lugar alejado tipo bosque y decir que Arch es el único sistema válido y el resto de la gente son nOObs por usar otra cosa.
@Acrilyco Peronista Y últimamente también ha tratado de hacer videos caminando con árboles de fondo, jajaja.
@Acrilyco Peronista Me atrevería a decir que al menos con Luke puedes rasurar un poco cuando se va a los extremos y quedarte con lo que sirve. Mientras que DT sumerge tanto sus opiniones que no es posible filtrarlo. Ni tomarlo en serio.
@@eViLaRRi Dejé de tomarlo en serio cuando vi que criticaba posturas éticas respecto al Open Source... Siendo también defensor del software libre. Ahora salvo uno que otro video, realmente lo he dejado de seguir.
Great work 🥳 Thank you 💜
I agree. The idea of FOSS seems like such a small thing to people who don't get it. But for alot of us the biggest part of using Linux is the Foss aspect
Ah so you're crowning yourself the yt linux God now??? Like what you have to say is always more accurate and better than everyone else? This is why I have such a hard time watching your channel. You act like you are the end all be all of linux and the most knowledgeable. Sure you could reply and say no, but that's the vibe I get.
Having an opinion doesn't mean you have an ego. Some people don't like shills, pussies, and tryhards. Sorry that people having controversial opinions (while omitting names to not cause drama) upsets you so much.
@@CoolGuyAtlas I never said having an opinion was the problem. It's when you think everyone else's opinion doesn't matter because yours is the only way that's the problem. DT just attempts to shit on people and act like no one else knows anything.
For me, there are just two great Linux youtubers: you and Mental Outlaw.
And luke smith
@@alexthelion335 Luke reeks of Dunning Krueger
For me the same + Bryan Lunduke *occasionally*
@@redtide9055 I said “for me”. I’ve watched a lot of these youtubers and it’s my opinion. Sorry if it’s not equal to yours.
@Marco Yeah, there is times where he makes this mistake, but, in an overall review it’s still great content compared to other channels.
Sir, I recently found your youtube channel and I truly loved it's content. I just think it would be better if you can change your camera angle a little bit so that you can make some eye contact with the viewers which will make the communication much better.
I completely agree with you, but I also think all of those channels are necessary for someone who has just started using linux. like me I'm using some of the windows only programs on my laptop and I need them for work so I absolutely can't get rid of my windows copy. and I found one of the first type of channel that said "hey here's how you can dual boot windows and pop os" that's how I started. from then I started watching "how to hop and customise desktop environments" I did that for sometime and right now I want to learn more about linux and open source and how everything works. I don't really watch some of the linux channels anymore but I think if you watched something and you learned from it then it's a plus. I don't really care where I learned it from.
I like your content, you put energy on it. And actually teach, but there is some wrong stuff in here, about linus, the audience are normal people, if he start to just talk about OpenSource no one will take it serious, we should consider making kids and gamers into game and then teach them, and more important, there are some titles in your videos that are not like that, you wrote linux sucks in title of hopping distros video, and this lines are pretty hard to detect so we better dont define zones
gun talk part 2?
I can't wait!
It would be nice
I was a bit confused about the first segment of this video - why does knowing the free software movement or the history matters? I feel like as a relatively new user, I use Linux simply because how it is now, how it is just in many ways superior to Windows and mac.
Although I couldn't relate, but this documentary called "revolution os" popped up in my recommendation. Thanks to your video, I spent the time watching that. It was an amazing documentary by itself, but these free software movement thingy, the GNU thing, the open source definition, or just the history about it, really changed some of my views towards Linux (and Microsoft at least 😂), and I think this gave me more motivation to continue along this path: the community, the philosophy, the efforts, and the rich history behind it.
Sorry for the long comment, just wanted to let you know that you really did made an impact.
I use both kinds of software... Free and Open source... Great video DT