Moog One - Review Sonic LAB
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- We take a second look at the Moog One poly synth - its a beast of an instrument. We have the 16 voice version here, its also available as an 8 voice.
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I think that there should be no excuses about anything here.. its a premium synth, very very expensive, there should be no issues at all!
markolijus absolutely agree. Ever since the release with loads of really lacklustre half-baked demos, this whole thing looks like a wonderful concept that Moog R&D were not afforded the time to finish developing before the suits wanted payback. Compare with Boeing 737max MCAS disaster.
Same expected on Prophex X . . now look at the forums. Price goes down quite radically. ..but I have to give a credit to the PR department for the YT live videos and other support (web) for Moog. Live shows, performances, etc. This is how products are launched. Fantastic work. I do believe that Moog is kicking the game. Look at the portfolio, the care the support.... man, Mr. Moog must be thrilled up there.
Agreed. Yet it seems commonplace. Order a premium product. Experience premium customer support shortly thereafter.
Have any of you purchased one?
Divinital really? I’ve got two.
Great review. Always nice to get Nick's take on these things. I've had a One for about a year, and while some of the software issues have been frustrating, it's nonetheless an amazing machine. Build quality, sound, and ease of use are all on point. I'm prepared to wait for further firmware updates, and enjoy programming this beast in the interim.
That lead sound in your sequence was beautiful
Nick at his best. No napkins taken. He is simply the best in the game. Simple as that. Great job, taking no corner in this review. Well, is not that's why we love sonic state so much? "I am sitting in the morning...." NIce one Nick. Excellent review.
Thanks you Nick. Nice job and also nice to know it’s not just my One that rebooted during sequencing. Keep on keeping on and stay healthy.
Thanks Nick for getting at this titan! Happy Holiday! I admire your attempt at describing the machine within a reasonable time limit but I think that’s an impossible task :)
As an owner, I know they could have waited to fix many of the issues before release but I’m more than happy that they didn’t wait. Even at 90% ready, the machine has been nothing but a pure joy. Over the course of the year they fixed the tuning issues, enabled the midi support and the fixes keep coming regularly. It seems they’re dedicated to add the effects parameters as mod destinations and I’m assuming they have ambitious plans for the Ethernet port or they wouldn’t have gone through the trouble of including it.
Im sure most folks would balk at paying up for a work-in-process but I urge potential buyers to work with the machine at a dealer who has it or check out some of the CZcams channels that feature it and they’ll get a good representation of what it can really do in its present form.
Happy holidays to all!
so an owner huh...mind if you adopt me?
psylencecy if you look like a golden lab I will :)
It originally shipped without midi support?
ToyKeeper Yes... and we knew it. Everyone who bought it knew that wasn’t available and still plunked down the cash. The main reason is that Moog is such a reputable company (as are most of the main synth makers) that we didn’t doubt they’d have it out soon. And they did. Happy holidays!
I appreciate a lot all Nick's reviews, his clear and in-depth observations are pure gold to understand (from a video!) what we are talking about. Nick's work is priceless. The same I have to say for his sound design skills, anything he touches sounds pure gold, no matter if it is a mighty Moog One or a much affordable DeepMind.
There is so much potential in this synth. It's already come a long way since launch. Hopfully they'll sort out the remaining issues sooner than later.
For the tuning they should IMO have a user accessible calibration option. My Andromeda A6 has that, and it's been very nice to have.
Also, they just dropped a new firmware update which has addressed some of the FX issues. Getting better every update.
I’m glad you checked the tuning, I got through 3 units and 2 recalibration repairs, and the shop told me the others they had in stock had the same issue, so I had to get a refund because I was nervous it might be something that won’t be fixed. It does sound wonderful though and I added a few demos to my channel at the time. I’m hoping to try again when/if they nail the tuning.
Sad development indeed, especially being the flagship product.
13:14 - Yes you can start all sequences together. Push each "Synth" part you want to control at the same time in order to do this. So in this case pushing "Synth 1" and "Synth 2" at the same time will allow you to start them both with one button push. (Note it will also allow all parameters to be 'tweaked' at the same time)
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it a little too cheap would have been interested if £20,000+
Love the pulse width modulation t-shirt :)
If this was a Behringer synth, they'd be getting crucified for releasing it with so many bugs and problems, even at half the price...
Good point. This synth sounds like ass though.
Well, I think they'd be getting crucified because, and lets be real about this, they'd be releasing a clone. Lots more work goes into designing a machine than just copying it.
@Zjoon Not everything from Behringer is a clone. But in terms of bugs, people have to understand how complex the Moog One is. Behringer has never attempted anything even remotely as complex as this synth. Their synths so far are very simple designs by comparison. I'm sure if Behringer would attempt anything remotely as complex as this machine, they would have to deal with lots of issues too. In fact they might already be struggling with this with their OBXa clone, which is still a far simpler design. But after a little tease we haven't heard much about anymore.
@@MacXpert74 Behringer Deepmind-12 is quite complex, maybe not quite as complex as Moog One but closer than it would seem at first sight. It also does stuff Moog One doesn't do, like allows effect modulation. It is also way more intuitive to use.
@Random Access Yeah, the Deepmind is their most complex synth. And does more than any of their other stuff, true. But it's still nowhere near the Moog one. They also had their fair share of issues with it, with people needing replacements. The more complex a synth is, the more likely it is for things to go wrong. As always I guess.
top notch review, love this guys manner , very informative but not over the top and calm
Make sure you press Shift before turning a dial if you want it in high precision mode. Cheers!
One of the most enjoyable, detailed, honest, focused review on the web. Nick is great!
The Moog One has an Ethernet connection .Could calibration reset be achieved through an external hardware device or PC integration ?
“And the thing rebooted...” That happened to me while trying one out at last year’s MoogFest. It’s an amazing synth in so many ways but it does have a few weak spots that are hard to overlook. The raw sound of it too just didn’t grab me the way the Matriarch did. But the power and possibilities are truly incredible.
Basic tone sucks. Matriarch kills it.
@@SPAZZOID100
Opinions like that are like assholes, everyone has one and no one needs another one.
Jealous and envious people should buy what they can afford instead of bashing Moog. If you like the Matriarch, buy it and go away. You're not a Moog One potential customer anyway.
@@johnadams5489 men swap insults all the time without getting their feelings hurt. It's fun and shows you care about stuff strongly. Lighten up .
@@zdave6083
Spazzoid Studio can't afford a Moog One (Neither can I) so he bashes it. Then he says the Matriarch kills it. Opinion, not fact.
I am keeping it light. He's full of shit. The Moog One has capabilities and sound that is not in the Matriarch's league. The Matriarch is a small modular synth, limited number of voices, primarily monophonic. The Moog One is a 16 Voice Polyphonic synth. There is no comparison in terms of capabilities and sound. That's where he's shooting blanks.
Wonderful demonstration, and lovely music! 😊👍
Tuning problems on a polyphonic Moog?
Color me extra double shock-surprised!!!
Included for the purposes of authenticity.
considering the moog voyager had issues with tuning 3 oscs... not a shocker haha
best review to date, truly honest and thought out. enjoyed it.. i was considering buying but i think ill wait
Regarding possible network port functionality, one of the things that has been mentioned in the past was Open Sound Control - I believe this is already used internally within the synth to let different layers of the system communicate (eg the digital interface/screen/brain layer talking to the actual synth voices etc). There was talk that we would be able to access this in some way via the network, but there is so much else with higher priority that Moog still need to do to this synth first, that I'm not surprised I've heard no more about this recently.
Looking at the patch files implies OSC is used internally. All of the address names and value encodings look like OSC.
Nick is correct about the handling of an analog synth during shipping. Every analog synth I ever owned had individual voices that had to be calibrated. One Oscillator at a time, at the factory before shipping. The synths that I owned and learned how to calibrate had a small screw on each Oscillator that could be turned slowly plus or minus to bring that Oscillator into perfect A440 tune. I still have a CONN strobe tuner in my music room that I have used for the purpose. In the case of my original Oberheims, the tech that taught me how to calibrate my synths suggested that I use a drop of Lock Tight adhesive on each Oscillator to keep it from being jarred out of tune when moving it around. Analog Synths are delicate and cannot be handled roughly. My first Yamaha Motif ES8 was bashed in by a shipping company because they handled it like "Freight" and damaged it. I had to ship it back and wait for a replacement.
People that get the idea that Moog rushed the Moog One into production and didn't do the job are full of shit, and don't know what they are talking about. Envious people that can't afford a Moog One should look for synths they can afford rather than spend their time bashing Moog.
It's been about 5 months. Have they addressed all of these bugs? I want to guy the 8 voice version but I'm skeptical with so many bugs and glitches. Is the effects section really not tied into the synth engine? Can you modulate the sequencer in real time now, or is it still inaudible?
Hey Nick, so far no problems with my 16 voice. Just updated to 1.1 ver. Your monitor behind you is delayed and kind of looks a bit funny while you move your hands over the synth. Anyway, great review and good looking out! Cheers Rix :)
Nice playing btw, lovely use of multi timbrality and sequencer
Nick, as it’s Xmas and I’m feeling generous, tell Moog I’ll take the uncalibrated unit off their hands for £500.
I'll give em £200.00 if he doesn't get it 😂
Excellent review; thanks Nick : D
The NB3WAYACTION patch sounded like the beginning of an orchestral piece. Starting with a great big timpani hit on layer one, strings and brass chords on layer two and a very tasteful flute trill on layer three.
Modal Electronics had gone in remotely on my 008 for repair on one of the voice cards- It's quite amazing. I hope it eventually will work for the Moog at some point.
Great review and great sounds Nick! Stupid question: what program are you using on your tablet? Cheers!
MIDI Designer Pro for MIDI control of our camera switching
Won’t be buying one soon, but it’s good to know it exists. We need things to dream about.
It is nice...but when I dream, it is of The River.
Hi Nick , very nice review. Can you tell me if NB3WayAction3 .. is a factory patch . I love the sound . But can't find it on the Moog One. Best Regards, TotallyKenny.
Nope one of mine can send it if you want
Sounds like Moog is working on the tuning issue, hopefully they will solve that problem with firmware update eventually since many like the Moog sound in that bass range so it would be good to have control over tuning in lower ranges. I wonder how many units out there are stable tuning wise, and how many have the tuning issue?
Nick ,your solos and musical moments and patch creation are the best on this synth ... which is amazing for such a sometimes edgy crude sounding synth...
Great, seven grand for a beta project!
Kindly savage. I hope that Moog listens. They have the skills to make it perfect, even if it takes a long time. I'm sure it's going to season like fine wine.
If you follow Reddit there have been many complaints about quality control issues with Moog synths.
@@mr.irrelevant3588 I have a Voyager XL and I had to get the analog board replaced. I have a Moog One and I had to replace the jack board. Little niggles but Moog were fantastic with both issues. I've just got the Matriarch and no issues as yet, They all sound fantastic.
@@mr.irrelevant3588 I have two Moogs. Both perfect. Both wonderful. They are handmade instruments not mass produced clones. They should, of course, work and be of high quality but you only read about people who have issues. And many people who would love one and don’t have one chime in because it makes them feel better. Their loss. My Matriarch and My Subsequent 37 are simply wonderful instruments packed with soul and character. I absolutely adore them. And I’ve had (and sold) many, many synths over the years. They are the first I’ve kept for any length of time. A Moog One is next on the list. Largely sorted now and, again, wonderful. I’m glad it exists.
@@final_mile_music9713 the circuit boards are not hand made though they are mass produced. Which is actually what i do at my job. I run a pick and place machine. All circuit boards are mass produced and can have quality issues. Its across the board though im not picking on Moog exclusively. But if their customer service is good and they take care of the customers thats all that matters.
Excellent explanation. Thanks
Really really appreciate your very honest review of this synth. It sounds absolutely wonderful, I will buy it one day even if I have to sell most of the contents of my studio and a kidney to get it! But I’m in no hurry, I really would like to see Moog address 95% of the outstanding issues first before I do. Please do a follow up video when you feel the firmware updates are beginning to make this the finished, true classic instrument that it will definitely become :)
Tim - as we discussed in your excellent Matriarch video.. comments section, I had a KB issue with my ONE 16v and it went back, but Im chomping at the bit to get another. It's the first synth to nail both the Jupiter and SEM/Oberheim timbre with it's filters IN A VINTAGE WAY. It's breathtaking and sounds OLD where some modern analog synths don't. The software bugs when I had mine at firmware revision between 1.0.0 and 1.1.0 were apparent but never destructive in a way that ruined my sessions. I accepted them knowing that Moog was aware and firmware updates were coming..with excitement not unlike that of an advent calendar, because along with updates came with features that added to the enjoyment. Speak to Jamie about it, but his free sound pack distributed by Moog is phenomenal, and you don't spend that kind of time authoring patches with oil leaking on the floor like a Range Rover :). Get one as soon as you have the fiscal readiness, and enjoy the updates. It's not that bad. If it were a $900 synth, nobody would be discussing the bugs.
Yeah, I'm with you on this. Way too many wrinkles that need to be ironed out before I could consider laying out this much money at this stage, but the features and sound sure make it a worth revisiting when/if they DO fix all the issues.
would love to see an update on this synth. See if the firmware has caught up
When are you going to review the Matriarch?
My gas lowered for the Moog One after this video. Thank you
It sounds excellent, lucid. I imagine that people will wait until the firmware is updated until ready to purchase. If something goes wrong then there should be a readily available update, although cars are very expensive and sometimes a notice is given to you about an update which is being worked on, sometimes takes a year. Calibration of analog oscillating ia a whole other topic, I remember seeing a video of Jean Michel Jarre having to retune a whole synth set up during a show, because it decalibrated
lovely demo, I do love the architecture and sound of this thing but the software situation worries me quite a bit, as does the need for an external power supply... and even with one, it's still rather noisy with the fans. I dunno, seems roughshod.
Nick is one of the premier "videoists" out there of late. No hype, self promotion - just the straight story!
Very fair review 👍
Yes there have been issues.
A half backed product, basically.
Could have been great.
Can you use internal Eventide SFX on the vocoder?
Yes. Put the Vocoder on the Synth Effect and a Stereo Blackhole or Shimmer for example after it on the Master Effect.
It wouldn't be a Moog without some attendant temperamental behaviour.
14:03 some lovely sounds on that jam
Totally. That part is almost like a Roedelius song. The Moog One is almost like a big beautiful groovebox.
@@robertsyrett1992 really interesting observation. im going to check out roedelius now.... oh wow they are very good. rolling
The One is a benchmark of sorts. It establishes itself as a beautiful studio fixture, and it will be a long time before anyone hits the ceiling on it. Apart from that, I don't see a working musician forking out the money and hauling one of these around (they are extremely heavy). I have been fortunate enough to have played one several times in studio work last year, and I do love what it does, and on its' own terms it's amazing. I have seen some hate from the peanut gallery, but what the casual synth user fails to see in this machine is what the average motorist would fail to see driving a SLS AMG.
Thanks for the complete and comprehensive review, Nick! The extensive bugs are still keeping me from adding this magnificent synth to my live set. It will be the centerpiece of my rig, once i pull the trigger. But so far, I don't have the "warm fuzzy" on this one, yet. I bought my first Moog in 1978, and still flying the Moog flag. :)
Update, Oct 2020: okay, i pulled the trigger in late-May. No regrets! Deep dives into sound design, I'm trying to utilize all of the modulation into my patches - XY pad, Mod Wheel, aftertouch, etc. Infinite possibilities, insane amount of depth.
Loving that PWM shirt Nick!!
What is the serial number of the bad one?
Could you revisit the Moog one and compare it with a memorymoog?
The KORG Prologue also suffered from major tuning issues - took them 6 months to get an OS revision out that fixed the problem.
Granted they did a $500 price drop and it wasn't $6-8k to begin with. But yeah, it was a regular fiasco for almost a year with the Prologue.
@@pointsurrender I discovered that my need for tuning exceeded my love of analogue :)
There's a reason many polys are DCO's. Best of both worlds IMO - no aliasing or other digital artifacts, yet stable tuning. Plus, you can usually dial in some slop/drift if you want it.
@@JimmiG84 Exactly. I swear by DCO's nowadays. Zero tuning issues. Sounds just as good. Sit down, turn it on and go.
I have nothing against DCOs, but slop/drift is still a bit different from how a VCO behaves. The Prologue tuning issue was a bug in the firmware that affected only certain notes in a weird way and it stays in tune perfectly fine now. (The new Korg VCOs function in a pretty unique way I think.)
Hopefully in my lifetime, I can acquire this beast of a machine.
I hope in the future a more affordable poly synth from Moog .... Maybe the Moog 0.5 eighth voices ... Or maybe the Moog Zero , 6 voices 😊 This one sounds great ... Except the vocoder ! In this price point ... I think perfect for studio.
People wonder why this is so expensive? I own a 16 voice, and can tell you why. You have to remember there are THREE synths! Each synth can be selected independently and ALL of those knobs can be tweaked for each synth. The synth remembers those knobs settings for each synth. Also, each synth engine has a sequencer AND and arpeggiator, which can be played at the same time on each synth. That means you can have 6 different melodies playing at once. Most of my other analog synths, mono or poly, would cost the same, or maybe even more, if it had those features. My Matrixbrute is $2200 for ONE voice, for example. I did have issues, but they were fixed with software updates. I don't like the analogy that just because something is expensive, it shouldn't have problems. I have high end gear and cheap gear, in my studio. I don't recall owning anything that didn't have issues and problems, regardless of price. Warranties are there for a reason. It will take forever to learn everything about the synth. i plan to keep it forever. As it matures and grows, and bugs are ironed out, it will just get better and better.
OTOH, one can buy three (or more) other synths for the same price... even if they're pretty nice synths. Its price is rather unusual compared to the rest of the market... and it also has had an unusual amount of problems.
I get the impression that the Moog One was not created out of a need for the features it provides, but more as an exercise to see how far one can take the concept of true analog synthesis with digital controls. In other words, engineering for engineering's sake. This makes it an impressive feat, but also pretty expensive and impractical.
I'd love to have one, since it's an awesome instrument. But if I won an $8000 shopping spree for music gear, I'd spend it on other items instead. I could build an entire studio setup for the price of a Moog One.
Yes... finally !!!
I was listening to you talk while I typed an email during the first three minutes. When you hit the first note I said to myself "yep, that sounds good", then the next layer came in and the hair in my ears started to tingle.
i realize this is a replacement for the voyager......but moog made a mistake by going more expensive rather than less expensive in this day and age. not really seeing the value for money here either. i have vsts that can sound pretty similar, minus the voice layering (but can run paralllel channels too). beautiful machine though. getting into Schmidt territory. nice review, that little moog bass at the end reminder. :-)
So funny, tuning issues! I had to retune my Memory Moog after every song on stage, sometimes halfway through the song.
That is not funny at all :|
@@montazownianr1 No indeed, one would have hoped that thirty years and the investment of £5000 one might have expected some progress on this issue.
Does it have a global transpose function?
Excellent review, congratulations. Really honest and 'fulsome' review. Didn't skirt around the flaws in the firmware which are significant for a Moog product, or any product at this price point. It's a beast with some quirks that thanks to modern design can be addressed after production.
Great review, someday...
Truly excellent presentation. I feel a series of 6 uploads is required
Best demo of this synth
What a review, had no interest in this synth due to cost but it sounds wonderful in this! Dear oh dear
Lovely roedelius-esque sounds around 13:34
Hey Nick - enjoyed the review. Could the Moog One behind you be given away as the next podcast prize? Joke... :)
What other synth would you compare this to, if any?
Nothing. Most analog polys sound far better.
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I believe you own a DM 12, or have at least played the DM 12, what do you think of it compared to this MOOG...??? I am referring to the sounds, sonic presence.
@@SPAZZOID100 lol, you clearly haven't spent any time with this
Is it DCO or VCO? If it is VCO how can a software update fix tuning issues?
@chief tp yep, I think they could do something real and really good, instead they prefer cheating us to get our money. Look at this surface mount components they all use today, it is impossible to repair something like this. Poor customers, they spend their money because they love music, but it is a hell of a trap.
They're VCOs. You can tune the VCOs against a reliable frequency source, such as a DCO produced by even the synth's microcontroller. Moog added such a tuning algorithm to an OS update after this video was released.
9:21 I like this crunchy movement.
wow! is it possible to save the sketches ?
7:09 when you turned the octave knob and the first two notes played it sounded so good. You should have played something while it was like that.
Finally man !
INice review ! :) was thinking about maybe get one . But i dont like all the issues that comes up here bugs fixes connect it be fixed via internet . Not when MOOG shuld be top notch high end . And cost 8-10 000 $ for a unfinished product .
Thats a shame . Its a massive machine no doubt but this needs tons off fixing before even been out for sale .
I follow Sonicstate other reviews on some analog synths . Well others with smaller problems then this is classed almoast as junk .
Bias:ed on MOOG ?
Well lets hope they get all issues fixed cut the price and get some kind off quality in to it .
This synth is so out of my league I don't even watch the reviews :p
Wow, great viewer question. Helped you and Moog. Understandably a Complex beast but I have to say for the immense about of $$$$ required for ownership I dont think in 2019 it’s acceptable for owner to have to be beta testers, don’t you think?
Yes, it was released early, but given that owners are confident that issues are addressed, they recognize that it is an amazing synth that may be the ultimate statement in an analog synth. I might wait a couple years to buy this one :-).
I really want to see what the guts of that synth look like. Must be packed full of circuit boards.
Moog were doing livestreams of the final stages of assembly a while back
Not heard anything that says "buy me". The UDO super 6 thing sounds much better and is a lot cheaper. Having one of these is pretty much having a synth status symbol.
One synth to rule them all and in the darkness bind them
I believe that the effects are separate from the synth, so I am not expecting modulation to arrive ever for effects.
In the original Moog release live streams they did mention modulating FX parameters as being on their wishlist, so I do think it's technically possible at least..
Since the same interface is used to program the effects, it is possible, as they are under digital control in the same system.
Its a beautiful synth. I have bo bugs, everything great. Thanks Mike Ride to Agadir"
you are the best Nick
The reason they could come in through the network port and fix it is because Moog based the archecture of the One on the 2020 voting machines which don't connect to the internet.
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this price point just makes it seem like it’s for studios, or something.
I mean you basically get 3 Moogs in one... The price was expectedly high...
Why? Look at expensive guitars from custom shops. They can be even more expensive.
And now compare the differences in hardware and electroncs of guitars and this Moog. Laughable.
The sounds arent that great either.. you'll be better off with pretty much any other synth.. was a fan at first then i played it.. smh
Divinital it’s 8000$, the overwhelming majority of people won’t be able to afford it lol
Divinital NPC? funny how so many people seem to mindlessly use that term
sensei,,, happt new year 2020 soon.... 20yrs into 21st century
The Mac Pro of synthesizers
Can you articulate each OSC? Or the articulation applies to all. Thanks
Yes you can, under the modulation matrix / menu.
Had the chance to play one in Asheville at the Moog HQ, and while I'll probably never buy one, it is definitely worth the money imo, the build quality was leagues above any other synth I've put my hands on.
Sonically?? Nope
Wish Moog had Behringer's QA ;-)
this is the first demo that makes me kind of like it, but I've played it and it's not that great sounding. I don't like Moog's newer instruments which is a bummer bc I do like their pedals, and the OG Model D is the best mono synth I've ever played. I like the sequencer on this though.
Have you played the Matriarch? It’s fantastic!
And people are bashing Behringer for every little bug on their budget synths... ;-)
They should be - Behringer only makes very simple synths with trivial firmware in.
They should release an inexpensive four voice Minitaur.
My 16-voice arrived today. It sounds stunning! I actually had to turn my subs down in the studio, as everything began to rattle. I can thoroughly recommend buying the GEO synth Singularity preset library for this - some astounding sounds leap out. Sorry to have to admit this, but I also have a Schmidt 8-Voice and the Moog One does somewhat leave it for dust in many ways....
Production Plan The River beats both.
A Moog One AND a Schmidt 8-voice? You must be doing well :)
If only it was 1/3 of the price this product would make sense. But the price is quite simply outrageous.
For a third of the price you get a DSI poly or something with much less than a third of the parts and features of the Moog One.
It's a moog. Of course it has tuning issues. 🤔
My experience is the opposite.
Still has tuning issues like the memory moon I once owned. Love the sound, hate the problems especially with touring