Lockheed vs. Boeing: The Battle for the Skies in the NGAD Fighter Program

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  • čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
  • This year the Air Force will decide who will build their Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter. It comes down to Lockheed vs. Boeing - who will win? Watch the video to find out and comment below as to who you think will get the contract.
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  • @maxprivate3805
    @maxprivate3805 Před 2 měsíci +95

    Lockheed will "blow the doors off" the Boeing.

  • @mikekopack6441
    @mikekopack6441 Před 4 měsíci +475

    Recent challenges: KC-46 Pegasus having all sorts of issues, 737 Max issues, Starliner space capsule issues.... Boeing has been a friggin mess ever since merging with McD.

    • @seifer918
      @seifer918 Před 4 měsíci +15

      x-32 had its issue meeting spec and was ugly.

    • @nhannguyen-pn2kh
      @nhannguyen-pn2kh Před 4 měsíci +35

      Nope, DEI hiring is to blame!

    • @EricinSoKo
      @EricinSoKo Před 4 měsíci +24

      McD burned their reputation, bought Boeing’s, then immediately started lighting matches. A tragedy.

    • @abelincoln8885
      @abelincoln8885 Před 4 měsíci +28

      No. They were a mess in the late 70's... when some moron ignored what Airbus was doing with the wide body A300, the trend towards twin jets .. and the increasingly larger high bypass tubojet engines. And the biggest of all screw ups ... with the 707, 727, 737 ... having the same size narow body fuselage .. whereas the 747 was the only large wide body Boeing had.
      And in the late 70's ... the geniuses from Boeing ... decided to develop the 757 and 767 ... for the same long ran routes .. and the same pilot ratings... to replace the trijet 727 and compete with the trijet widebodies. The 757 ... has the same size fuselage as the 727 & 737 ... but tall landing gear for the larger more efficient high bypass turnbofan engines. Only the 767 .. should have be competing with the A300, and the wide body trijet. The 757 ... should have bene developed ... to replace the 737 ... as a small jet ... but with a slightly bigger fuselage, flybywire glass cockpit, and tall landing gear fo the the larger turbofan engines. So by 1988 when Airbus introduced the A320 ... Boeing should have had the 757 dominating the small jet market ... the 767 dominating the medium jet market .. and the 747 dominating the large jet market .. and .. had begun developing the 777 to replace the 747 by the year 2000.
      So no. It was not in the late 90's when Boeing started to screw up. It goes way back to the late 70's when they were developing the 757 & 767 .. ignored the A300 .. and the trend towards twin jets ....with tall langind gear .. and large high bypass tubofan engines. And also the stick control flybywire with the F16.

    • @jeremygalloway1348
      @jeremygalloway1348 Před 4 měsíci +6

      I initially thought u meant they teamed up with McDonald's without douglas

  • @mr.normalguy69
    @mr.normalguy69 Před 4 měsíci +440

    I can already tell that Lockheed is going to win.

    • @spitlikesfire9368
      @spitlikesfire9368 Před 4 měsíci +12

      You seem like an expert 😂

    • @Odinsjewl
      @Odinsjewl Před 4 měsíci +7

      yes...BUT will it be "maintainer proof"!😜😜

    • @aaronsouthard8366
      @aaronsouthard8366 Před 4 měsíci +11

      What in the F22 was inferior to the Widowmaker are you referring to? 😂

    • @pongtswaila7922
      @pongtswaila7922 Před 4 měsíci +12

      Yeah, especially if Boeing brings back X-32 smiley design

    • @justincampbell2168
      @justincampbell2168 Před 4 měsíci +3

      They usually do even when simulations tell them the competitor offering is superior. ahem Blackwidow.

  • @bryanrussell6679
    @bryanrussell6679 Před 4 měsíci +632

    Boeing really didn't design the F-15 of F/A-18. They just inherited them. I hope they don't pull another X-32.

    • @elijahprasad7884
      @elijahprasad7884 Před 4 měsíci +47

      Northrop Grumman designed F-18 right?

    • @Joseph-Colin-EXP
      @Joseph-Colin-EXP Před 4 měsíci +28

      I liked the x32. Call it the guppy. :)😊

    • @benbowland
      @benbowland Před 4 měsíci +38

      X-32 would have been a good aircraft, especially if the VTOL requirement were absent. NGAD is kind of the opposite of the JSF program, where it is aiming to do one thing (go really far, really quiet, really fast, carrying fast computers and fast missiles) as opposed to trying to appease three different use cases from three different branches, so I'm interested to see what a focused Boeing design will be, especially since all their renders look really unique. Even Lockheed struggled a lot with VTOL integration.

    • @avd1697
      @avd1697 Před 4 měsíci +30

      @@elijahprasad7884 for the most part, F18 is a derivative design of the F5

    • @smyers820gm
      @smyers820gm Před 4 měsíci +18

      @@avd1697 no it is not 😳😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @timbaskett6299
    @timbaskett6299 Před 4 měsíci +204

    I wouldn't be surprised if one of them (Lockheed, or Boeing)gets the contract for the manned airframe, and the other gets the CCA contract. Another thing that wouldn't surprise me is that Lockheed probably already has a CCA derivative of the F-35 at the Skunk Works.

    • @bryanrussell6679
      @bryanrussell6679 Před 4 měsíci +23

      Probably go something like the JSF contract went. Even though Lockheed Martin's X-35 won over Boeing's X-32, Boeing still manufactures a large part of the F-35's fuselage. So they didn't come away totally empty handed. NGAD will probably be built from a conglomeration of all the main players building certain parts.

    • @seifer918
      @seifer918 Před 4 měsíci +14

      Given the current Boeing situation, I will be surprised to see them getting the manned airframe. Confidence is low against Boeing now. Having said that, Boeing already has the Ghost Bat with the Australian.

    • @JIMDEZWAV
      @JIMDEZWAV Před 4 měsíci +7

      Boeing will supply it's Aussie built loyal wingman/ Ghost Bat , Lockheed will supply manned airframe and everyone will be happy accept the Russian's and Chinese

    • @ncrawford1488
      @ncrawford1488 Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@seifer918 With all due respect, I think all of this concern about Boeing is HYPER SHORTSIGHTED. Boeing has been at the forefront of aviation for so long that many forget how many wins they have in their column.
      BEST WISHES.

    • @georgesikimeti2184
      @georgesikimeti2184 Před 4 měsíci +8

      @@ncrawford1488Boeing was essentially a passenger plane builder,it’s through the ownership of McDonnell Douglas that introduced it to fighter/bomber sphere.

  • @swordmonkey6635
    @swordmonkey6635 Před 4 měsíci +103

    The problem mentioned about Lockheed being the only company making USAF jets could be solved with what they did during WW2. The government licensed other companies to make parts or the vehicles/planes themselves at their own factories, speeding up production and diversifying the supply chain. Many WW2 weapon systems were built this way.

    • @Justanotherconsumer
      @Justanotherconsumer Před 4 měsíci +10

      Oh, but that won’t pay off the right political contributors.
      If you think this is only about technology, I’ve got a bridge you can lease…

    • @swordmonkey6635
      @swordmonkey6635 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@Justanotherconsumer With the technology being licensed to other companies, the pork fat would be spread over more districts and more people would get rich off it instead of just one company.

    • @Justanotherconsumer
      @Justanotherconsumer Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@swordmonkey6635 Lockheed has a well-greased pork barrel delivery machine.

    • @user-wz9wj8eo8f
      @user-wz9wj8eo8f Před 4 měsíci +1

      Boeing is still building the F-15 for the USAF and has begun delivering the T-7A Retail trainer to the USAF.

    • @justinryanvalencia05
      @justinryanvalencia05 Před 4 měsíci

      your wrong, that would get even more cronies payed@@Justanotherconsumer

  • @Cartoonman154
    @Cartoonman154 Před 4 měsíci +142

    I hope they do an X-plane documentary like they did with the JSF program.

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade Před 4 měsíci +7

      given the levels of secrecy, that might not happen for another 20yrs

    • @ncrawford1488
      @ncrawford1488 Před 4 měsíci +8

      @@SoloRenegade You’re exactly right. I don’t see that happening with NGAD. Technology has advanced too much. Put it on a non-controlled disk, and China will have it in hours… :(

    • @johng.2321
      @johng.2321 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@SoloRenegade Not necessarily. They'll need to drum up support. Support = more tax dollars. We'll be seeing this thing easily within a decade, probably sooner.

    • @shadowguy1112
      @shadowguy1112 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@johng.2321Less, next 6 years.

    • @ryansmith1115
      @ryansmith1115 Před 4 měsíci +1

      As long as it's a twin engine fighter, not just a single engine fighter

  • @mrspaceman2764
    @mrspaceman2764 Před 4 měsíci +14

    I'm pretty sure that whomever wins, the others will be given contracts to build components and maybe complete airframes. Everybody gets a slice of the pie on this one.

  • @KC_Smooth
    @KC_Smooth Před 4 měsíci +41

    I feel like a fighter like this should be a two seater for the sole purpose of the WSO in the back controlling the drones rather than a sole pilot managing many different systems at once.

    • @thunder11757
      @thunder11757 Před 4 měsíci +21

      I believe that the secondary pilot will be a very advanced AI.

    • @mccoybyz1099
      @mccoybyz1099 Před 4 měsíci +11

      I actually just heard somewhere that one of the supposed designs did look like their might be a backseater or WSO! That would be cool, the pilot doing his thing and the WSO running the EW and weapons employment!

    • @user-wz9wj8eo8f
      @user-wz9wj8eo8f Před 4 měsíci +4

      The issue with a two seater isn't so much of the workload for the pilot as computers can handle much of that. The real issue is "growing" a pilot, that's about a 24 year process. The services are experiencing difficulty in retaining pilots now.

    • @deansmits006
      @deansmits006 Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@@thunder11757I've read that's the goal....but software is hard. If the AI thing doesn't work out as planned, having a human controller would be a good backup

    • @trevormoffat4054
      @trevormoffat4054 Před 3 měsíci

      The ‘USO’ will be either an AI built into the UCAV, or a human operator in a building on home soil. With satellite relays the operator doesn’t need to be in the same airspace.

  • @PAN-km5qk
    @PAN-km5qk Před 4 měsíci +68

    The following looks likely considering that the USAF has to achieve two major goals - develop a world beating NGAD system of systems, while at the same time diversifying its supply-base:
    NGAD manned platform: Lockheed Martin
    Engine for manned platform: GE
    NGAD “loyal wingman”:
    Boeing and some junior partners (like Anduril)
    Avionics & C2:
    Northrop Grumman and some junior partners (like Anduril)

    • @johnnysilverhand6045
      @johnnysilverhand6045 Před 4 měsíci

      Next generation air dominance NGAD. I dunno why he’s pronouncing like ngat

    • @benbowland
      @benbowland Před 4 měsíci +3

      It would make the CCA program so much simpler if they just committed to the Boeing MQ-28 design as the "mid level" option

    • @Aerrow62
      @Aerrow62 Před 4 měsíci +1

      You forgot to mention the primary objective which price gouging the US tax payer and enriching their boards and bureaucracy with systems that will never find any use on the battle field. Just like F-22 and F-35, these aircrafts will fly, show off, run some training drills and never see actual combat before retirement.

    • @tomdement4607
      @tomdement4607 Před 4 měsíci

      Anduril will absolutely be involved here.

    • @mobiusflammel9372
      @mobiusflammel9372 Před 4 měsíci +5

      @@Aerrow62 it is a little weird to me to criticize defense companies for the fact that we haven’t been in a war, recently, that necessitated the use of our most advanced equipment. And frankly, if our capabilities are acting as a deterrent to prevent war with a near peer nation is that not part of the point? I don’t understand the argument here.

  • @joshm3484
    @joshm3484 Před 4 měsíci +44

    My understanding of the adaptive cycle engine is that is has less to do with afterburning vs non, but is an engine with a variable bypass ratio allowing relatively higher bypass for efficiency, and lower bypass when additional power is desired.

    • @JohnFrumFromAmerica
      @JohnFrumFromAmerica Před 4 měsíci +11

      I think you mean less bypass for higher speed. Bypass can generate a lot of thrust at lower speeds but thrust is limited at higher speeds due to the reduced exhaust velocity.

    • @cjmunnee3356
      @cjmunnee3356 Před 4 měsíci +3

      ​@@JohnFrumFromAmerica Bingo!

    • @brianawilk285
      @brianawilk285 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Kinda sounds like the jet engine equivalent of a CVT transmission. I want a pulse detonation engine so we can have a hypersonic jet.

    • @hendrickvega353
      @hendrickvega353 Před měsícem

      ​@brianawilk285 dual cycle jet engines such as Chimera are able to sustain Hypersonic speeds using of the shelve components at a far cheaper budget.

  • @RAS_Squints
    @RAS_Squints Před 4 měsíci +28

    With the consolidation of defense primes, I think what will happen is NG will just do the B-21, Lockheed will do the NGAD, and Boeing will get the F/A- x/x

    • @jacobbaumgardner3406
      @jacobbaumgardner3406 Před 4 měsíci +2

      I agree, what I think will be really fought over is who gets to make those 1,000 CCA drones.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@jacobbaumgardner3406 Agreed Boeing will bow out to Lockheed for NGAD to get a drone contract. Northrop Grumman with pump out the real F-14 replacement considering the B-21 program is actually on track, or at least compared to the B-2 when the were about to sell the F-23 (still think USA should green light selling that design to Germany and Japan considering the players in those regions). All the while orbit is the new high ground so all these folks are arguing over who will make the best battleship when we in a time where the carrier is king.

    • @jacobbaumgardner3406
      @jacobbaumgardner3406 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@anydaynow01 I agree, though the YF-23 wouldn't be sold. It's too old and if they wanted a similar perofming airframe they'd just design it themselves. Airframes are not expensive, all the systems and their integration are. The aerdynamic design is good, but the materials science of a third of a century old design just wouldn't be up to date.

  • @nitonono4143
    @nitonono4143 Před 2 měsíci +9

    NGAD might be the last manned fighter.

    • @spitlikesfire9368
      @spitlikesfire9368 Před 25 dny

      No, definitely not that will never happen. Humans won't be replaced In many Warfighter roles such as Ground troop and Polit but integration of drones and ai will increase cooperation between the two

  • @W1ckedRcL
    @W1ckedRcL Před 4 měsíci +23

    I'm much more excited for the FAXX program.
    I think it's going to be the spiritual successor to the F14.
    And I have a feeling that Northrop and the YF23 are going to be heavily involved.

    • @fqeagles21
      @fqeagles21 Před 4 měsíci +2

      YF23 is handled by Japanese for future aircraft projects

    • @W1ckedRcL
      @W1ckedRcL Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@fqeagles21 that's only speculated, not confirmed, and that doesn't mean anything for Northrop. It's still their aircraft. They can use whatever they want from it.

    • @deansmits006
      @deansmits006 Před 4 měsíci +5

      i kinda wonder if the Navy's focus will be more on stealth and range, not so much aerial maneuverability and air/to/air dominance. They have made such a big deal about needing long range to cover vast Pacific Ocean distances, perhaps something larger with more fuel/missile capacity is in order.

    • @Ralarconable
      @Ralarconable Před 4 měsíci +3

      Agreed. I also think that the FAXX is going to have a more critical role in the struggle to control the skies in the Asia Pacific

    • @W1ckedRcL
      @W1ckedRcL Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@deansmits006 that's why I'm betting the YF23 is involved. Northrop's history in naval aircraft plus the YF23's performance in categories you mentioned make it the perfect starting point for the FAXX.
      It had comparable maneuverability at slow speeds and better at high speeds because of the V tail, more range, greater top speed, and better stealth than the F22. Using YF23 platform as an initial design then refining all of the traits that the Navy requires will be a nasty fighter.

  • @anthonyschirillo4377
    @anthonyschirillo4377 Před 4 měsíci +15

    The other question is what will the stealth covering be: coatings or ceramics

    • @jbloun911
      @jbloun911 Před 3 měsíci

      Neither, it cloaks by bending light like the UFOs they've had for 80 years. 🤫

  • @philipgrice1026
    @philipgrice1026 Před 4 měsíci +60

    Given the state of Boeing currently, they are the last company to whom I'd award a contract. It's not just the 737Max debacle. It's the 787 and 777 problems too, plus their NASA contracts for the Starliner are now 5 years behind schedule. If it's Boeing, I 'ain't going!

    • @miketeeveedub5779
      @miketeeveedub5779 Před 4 měsíci +12

      Throw the KC-46 project on the problem bonfire too. I'm not even sure Booeing can survive the decade consider how terrible their management is.

    • @kbm2055
      @kbm2055 Před 4 měsíci +8

      If Boeing wasn't such a dumpster fire (and provided they have a good design) they might have had an inside track to win the contract. Given the time/cost over-runs at LM and that they have plenty of work as it is, the air force may have been more inclined to go with Boeing. But since Boeing *is*, they are probably going to have to have an excellent design to have any chance.

    • @scottbrower9052
      @scottbrower9052 Před 4 měsíci +1

      🎯

    • @user-wz9wj8eo8f
      @user-wz9wj8eo8f Před 4 měsíci +4

      Boeing does have a severe management issue, they tried to bring in assemblies from contractors and snap the aircraft together not realizing their name (Boeing) is on the side of the aircraft. Boeing needs to get back to "Engineering" their platforms.

    • @MrTmenzo
      @MrTmenzo Před 3 měsíci

      They're building a nuclear powered spaceship that's impressive

  • @gabrielmarinescu9835
    @gabrielmarinescu9835 Před 4 měsíci +5

    I'm ready to bet by Lockeed!They are the best!

  • @Jake-yx7ct
    @Jake-yx7ct Před 4 měsíci +26

    Boing has problems with keeping the doors on their passenger jets. That would make DOD question their quality control.

    • @nicholaspowers4901
      @nicholaspowers4901 Před 4 měsíci +4

      I don't think they're making passenger/commercial air liners at the same factory and to the same level to detail as military aircraft, completely separate parts of the company. Not trying to root for boeing here, just stating facts. Yeah it's not good PR, but the same production issues wouldn't be found in something meant for military service, civilian aircraft have less scrutiny than military aircraft.

    • @kbm2055
      @kbm2055 Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@nicholaspowers4901 I don't know if the refueling planes for the military are built with the commercial ones but they have had problems with them. The space division also has had massive setbacks/delays. I don't know if it's a culture thing throughout the whole company but it doesn't look good, that's for sure.

    • @USViper
      @USViper Před 4 měsíci +4

      That's because of DEI

    • @jamesparker4471
      @jamesparker4471 Před 4 měsíci

      Diversity and anti white programs caused those

    • @iowanation1034
      @iowanation1034 Před 3 měsíci

      Just dumb.

  • @Klyce
    @Klyce Před 4 měsíci +14

    This reminds me of the YF-22 vs YF-23 competition. I look forward to seeing the documentaries on it someday.

    • @user-wz9wj8eo8f
      @user-wz9wj8eo8f Před 4 měsíci +13

      The YF-23 out flew the YF-22 but McD was not selected as their management style was known to be weak. McD had great engineers and workers but poor managers. I know, I was there for 42+ years.

    • @James-ff7gb
      @James-ff7gb Před měsícem

      Hmm… boeing does not have that tech capability to build though

  • @CategoricalImperative
    @CategoricalImperative Před 4 měsíci +15

    Finally! An aerial swarm platoon. The future is crazy!

    • @spartan9458
      @spartan9458 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Ace combat 7 is looking pretty realistic now.

  • @antoniobautista6718
    @antoniobautista6718 Před 4 měsíci +37

    It's crazy how much money is at stake for arms developers!

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Před 4 měsíci +8

      Yeah, can't wait to see what Northrop Grumman comes out with for a new air supremacy fighter "Cat" for the Navy (Blackcat, Lioncat, Bearcat II, Alleycat!). The F-35 is nice but they need a true F-14 replacement, the Super Hornet is extremely capable but they need a dual engine long range fighter with stealth capabilities badly.

    • @Justanotherconsumer
      @Justanotherconsumer Před 4 měsíci

      @@anydaynow01two engines isn’t really needed these days, the early jet engines were unreliable and redundancy was necessary for safety.
      The F-14’s role was as a BVR interceptor focused on delivering the AIM-54 against threats to the carrier.
      Given updates to missile technology and radar, it no longer takes a dedicated airframe to do that and the F-35C provides everything an F-14 successor would do for that role in the fleet.
      Obviously an F-14 successor in the sense of a specific weapons system that requires a dedicated airframe could happen, likely some sort of directed energy weapon at this point but maybe as the first stage of a hypersonic something?
      An F-14EX missile truck might be a consideration, though.

    • @seanc6754
      @seanc6754 Před 4 měsíci

      Especially since our government allows these compaines to bleed us dry.. we should be askimg why they are charging us 15k for a valve that costs may be 1k..

  • @Posting-Maharashtra
    @Posting-Maharashtra Před 3 měsíci +3

    I am just disappointed that Northrop dropped out to focus on the Navy F/A 18 replacement. They are the best at this stuff and effectively build the F/A18 and F-35

  • @likeminds1181
    @likeminds1181 Před 4 měsíci +10

    Agree with the prediction

  • @MichaelMiller-op8fe
    @MichaelMiller-op8fe Před 4 měsíci +21

    Finally someone who can properly form the sentence of the title of their video.

  • @omarspost
    @omarspost Před 4 měsíci +16

    "Lockheed has a perfect track record".
    Dying of laughter when he said this.

    • @Justanotherconsumer
      @Justanotherconsumer Před 4 měsíci +11

      In getting contracts, they’re doing great!
      Just ask the Germans…

    • @amri3816
      @amri3816 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Also when they said legendary f22

    • @jaybee9269
      @jaybee9269 Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@amri3816 >> If no-one wants to fight it, it’s pretty legendary.

    • @macwizer
      @macwizer Před 2 měsíci +1

      Lockheed invested in generals and congressmen better than anybody

  • @lisaroberts8556
    @lisaroberts8556 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Lockheed Martin🇺🇸 vs Boeing🇺🇸 Let the Dual begin!
    Glad to see the Navy⚓️🇺🇸 has its own thing going on. Separate from the Air Force

  • @markoconnell804
    @markoconnell804 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Adaptive cycle sure, however it should also contain circular pulse detonation wave after burners.

  • @toi_techno
    @toi_techno Před měsícem +1

    It's crazy that any manned aircraft are being planned for service in a decade and beyond

  • @zacharydavis4398
    @zacharydavis4398 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Thanks for spending the time to create and share this content 🤙🏾

  • @Triple87
    @Triple87 Před 4 měsíci +32

    If Boeing comes with anything like its last stealth project, Lockheed is going to get another contract. 😂

    • @MeanLaQueefa
      @MeanLaQueefa Před 4 měsíci +6

      The X32 was a Pelican, just a hot mess

    • @markburton5292
      @markburton5292 Před 4 měsíci +1

      or even some of their other planes lately example the max

    • @JK-uj8ur
      @JK-uj8ur Před 4 měsíci +1

      X 32 should have been a wake up call that Boeing needed an intervention.

    • @elricofarmer1561
      @elricofarmer1561 Před 4 měsíci +2

      We need to remember that the X32 that we watched in the runoff was not the final design. They had already altered it significantly, but weren't able to bring the new upgrade to the table in time for the competition.
      But it was indeed fuggly as heck, yet flew well according to test pilots.

    • @MeanLaQueefa
      @MeanLaQueefa Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@elricofarmer1561 I view the X32 as a tech demonstrator, they got to test a lot of ideas with that prototype. Especially new manufacturing technology, with that one piece delta wing etc…

  • @Mr-Damage
    @Mr-Damage Před 4 měsíci +6

    Lockheed are so far ahead in things we don't know. For all we know they have saucers in their collection.

    • @unknownuser069
      @unknownuser069 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Actually Avro Canada did the flying saucer back in the 50's and 60's.
      Probably time to revisit that actually - DFCS would solve a lot of the issues the prototypes had.

    • @jbloun911
      @jbloun911 Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​@@unknownuser069Canada 😅 they can't even make or invent their own rifle

  • @Ric33194
    @Ric33194 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Agree with you on the engine, GE, but I’m not sure DoD will have all fighters made by the same company (F-22,-35 ,NGAD)

  • @marcusl7399
    @marcusl7399 Před 18 dny +3

    We got Ace Combat before Gta6

  • @mikewaterfield3599
    @mikewaterfield3599 Před 4 měsíci +24

    The sick part is that Northrop (the real masters of stealth) are not even in the running. Given the endless graft of Lockheed I imagine they will get the contract.

    • @anwartaylor6096
      @anwartaylor6096 Před 4 měsíci +13

      I thing NG is just more focused on F/A-XX. Not to mention their B-21 load.

    • @mikekopack6441
      @mikekopack6441 Před 4 měsíci +11

      Northrup has the shoe in on the Navy FXAA program. They've always been better at Navy than Lockheed and Boeing...

    • @mikewaterfield3599
      @mikewaterfield3599 Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@mikekopack6441 yeah….. they had the shoe in on the STA21 program and the A12 till a few career lawyers got involved. Still there are reasons to be optimistic. Northrop and the flight deck are like peanut butter and jelly.

    • @georgesikimeti2184
      @georgesikimeti2184 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@mikekopack6441you hit it right there,f18 was split into two,the navy version was built by Grumman and the airforce version by McDonnell Douglas,now owned by Boeing.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Grumman has been the Navy's goto for their air supremacy for a long time. NG lost out with the F-23 program on the technicality that the B-2 program was lagging, the Super Hornet was a "good enough" F-14 replacement, and LM was gaining a sizable foothold in the lobbyist space. All that being said the B-21 program is much better managed and on track so their next gen navy air supremacy fighter program is essentially green lit.

  • @jimgrif5998
    @jimgrif5998 Před 12 dny

    After watching how things are done for half a century, it will come down to which has the best kickbacks.

  • @matthewroper9972
    @matthewroper9972 Před 4 měsíci +16

    Lockheed should use some of that alien tech they supposedly have.

    • @NaturalPrimex
      @NaturalPrimex Před 4 měsíci +2

      why you think we never got an SR72

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 Před 2 měsíci

      @@NaturalPrimex Because it was never needed

    • @NaturalPrimex
      @NaturalPrimex Před 2 měsíci

      @@RyTrapp0 but a new generation F35 is always needed

  • @Roadbunny777
    @Roadbunny777 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Why can't they just give it to them both 50/50

    • @Administrator_O-5
      @Administrator_O-5 Před 16 hodinami

      Which is exactly what they should have done with the YF-23 & F-22. The original order was for 750, so they should have split it 375 of each.

  • @netrunner_pl
    @netrunner_pl Před 4 měsíci +6

    I wonder which design you watchers like more? Lockheed or Boeing version from this video?

    • @aviationist1018
      @aviationist1018 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Boeing, that lockheed one is ugly XD

    • @ogjk
      @ogjk Před 4 měsíci +4

      Boeing inherited "just good enough for government work" and maximizeng share price " management ethos from Mcdonell Douglas hopefully they can work to purge that since maximizing safety will also leed to increased share price as well.

    • @fly463
      @fly463 Před 4 měsíci

      Boeing

    • @iykej6
      @iykej6 Před 3 měsíci

      You watchers 😂

    • @spitlikesfire9368
      @spitlikesfire9368 Před 25 dny

      ​@@aviationist1018nah lockheed is it

  • @benludwig6267
    @benludwig6267 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I think it will rather be a question of who will get to build the maned system and who will build the unmaned system

  • @intrepidpursuit
    @intrepidpursuit Před 3 měsíci +1

    Lockheed also has a proven track record of tightening bolts all the way and successfully using technology like blinking lights to indicate sensor failures rather than alerting the pilot by flying the plane directly into the ground.

  • @hkhunter1
    @hkhunter1 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Great video and analysis

  • @SHINR__
    @SHINR__ Před 4 měsíci +7

    Lockheed *should* win .
    Lockheed has vastly more experience with stealth and connectivity, where as Boeing could not even get color screens for the KC-46's VS... Boeing *maaaybe* should get F/A-XX, but even then I hope NG wins.
    With the last original thing they tried, they cut MANY corners... That's why the X-32 lost.

    • @trombonekingdom
      @trombonekingdom Před 4 měsíci +1

      The best plane should win. Though honestly I would say that both should be used. Just imagine if we had both the F-22 and YF-23

    • @Zul_H
      @Zul_H Před měsícem

      yup lockheed should win,

  • @machdaddy6451
    @machdaddy6451 Před dnem

    This is the F-22 competition all over again.

  • @jomckeag4482
    @jomckeag4482 Před 3 měsíci

    Why is the mockup always depicted in afterburner mode? The supercruse feature?

  • @razack0404
    @razack0404 Před 4 měsíci +3

    from your intro they should call the first 6th gen fighter the Highlander

    • @cjmunnee3356
      @cjmunnee3356 Před 4 měsíci +1

      That's actually a really badass name.

  • @adrianwarthunder1234
    @adrianwarthunder1234 Před 4 měsíci +3

    looks like future of ace combat 3 electrosphere futurisitc sci fi fighter jet.

  • @VioletSilence
    @VioletSilence Před 3 měsíci

    You said Grumman is "working" on B-21 - but isn't it in service already? Or they're polishing it after entering production like we do with Su-57?

  • @tomthum5128
    @tomthum5128 Před 4 měsíci +2

    They're not trying to decide, it's multi Companies, that's building it.

    • @tomthum5128
      @tomthum5128 Před 4 měsíci

      Each company is doing something different for the same project.

  • @rock3tcatU233
    @rock3tcatU233 Před 4 měsíci +11

    We need an NGYAT fighter.

  • @LuqmanHM
    @LuqmanHM Před 4 měsíci +6

    You forgot 1 thing, GE engines are regarded to be more reliable than P&W

  • @Klarpimier
    @Klarpimier Před 4 měsíci

    3:06
    Commercial expertise = remembering to tighten all the bolts

  • @GaryBleck
    @GaryBleck Před 4 měsíci +1

    I’m not sure the winner is necessarily the one that will build it. The design and production contracts are separate?

  • @kellerweskier7214
    @kellerweskier7214 Před 4 měsíci +3

    the biggest issue i see in modern US aircraft, is the lack of total range. the F-35 has a range of only 1500mi. the SU-35 is 2200mi. the F-18 is 1,275mi. wile the Su-33 is 1900mi. and the Eurofighter is 1800mi. The new F-15EX has a total range of 1582mi. the F-22 just at 1800mi.
    If the US is looking to tackle china or russia, then being able to actually GET there is the issue now.
    From the northern main island most point of japan the the closest beach of russia, its about 100 miles. from the closes JASDF base to the nearest Russian base is 345mi. From US Kadena airbase in japan to closest russian base is 1,200~ish miles. thats outside of combat and return range.
    China would be a bit easier, but if Mongolia complies, then it should be easier.

    • @nastystang113
      @nastystang113 Před 4 měsíci

      That’s exactly what both NGAD hope to achieve along with being able to hold bigger air to air missiles and more. I suspect these jets are going to be a lot larger than current US 5th generation aircraft.

    • @jbloun911
      @jbloun911 Před 3 měsíci

      The US has bases all over the world and uses the largest most technologically aircraft carriers on earth.
      Fighters dont need to venture far from home 😉

    • @kellerweskier7214
      @kellerweskier7214 Před 3 měsíci

      @@jbloun911 the F-35C and B have smaller ranges than the F/A-18E/F. The F-22 having the logest range in US stock cant make the trip to the nearest russian air base from the nearest US airbase (located in japan).
      The only way this would all work, is the US claimed sea dominance. Used aircraft from Japan and the super carriers to cover a landing force, to then construct an field airfield. or a FOAB.
      But such a thing is highly avoided as russia is legally allowed to use nuclear weapons on their own soil in defense. or that matter, use nukes on their own warm waters.
      The entirety of a US/Coalition/NATO strike on Russia or China will have to come from cruise missile saturation strikes.
      No boots, no small aircraft.
      But, a large cruise missile force is run by B-2s and B-52s, these forces are saved for use in deeper cruise missile strikes. where sea-born cruise missile strikes cant reach. or the new hypersonic artillery the US is developing.
      These aircraft need escort.

  • @HabitualButtonPusher
    @HabitualButtonPusher Před 4 měsíci +4

    Hardly unmatched in the current air battle space. Everyone is making good jets these days but having huge fleets is prohibitive when one Jet costs 100 mill.

    • @larryc1616
      @larryc1616 Před 4 měsíci

      The future of all battles and wars will be AI+Drones+TSMC chips. Unmanned drones are smaller, cheaper and better

  • @richardcompton-xk7fj
    @richardcompton-xk7fj Před 4 měsíci +2

    You are spot on!

  • @kazkeb
    @kazkeb Před 8 dny +1

    I'm really surprised that it will be manned. I think a better setup would be something like a supersonic bomber, which implicitly has far greater range, that would fly out and deploy a set of drones, and function as a data/communications relay at a safe(r) distance. The drone operators could be on the bomber, but having them remote would drastically reduce readiness and deployment costs.

  • @RealKlausSchwab
    @RealKlausSchwab Před 4 měsíci +4

    The "Area 51 of Modern Aviation".....
    Is the actual Area 51 🫥

  • @onebridge7231
    @onebridge7231 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Boeing has gutted top engineers from McDonald Douglas when they bought them out. Actually, the bean counters from Douglas took over and gutted the engineers from both Boeing Commercial and Douglas, so both sides now suck. Go Lockheed and this is from a St. Louis native who knows the NGAD could bring lots of jobs, but I want the best plane for our pilots.

  • @justinmunzlinger8471
    @justinmunzlinger8471 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I wouldn't mind seeing both, they look pretty good.

  • @gld1010
    @gld1010 Před 4 měsíci +1

    More speed, more range, more payload, thrust vectoring, and lower cost. Take both is option especially if they have their pros in stealth and agility like the F23 and F22 had.

  • @House_of_Schmidt
    @House_of_Schmidt Před 4 měsíci +4

    I would be shocked if Lockheed got the Airframe contract. The US government is very concerned of over saturating a single company. They usually like to spread contracts out. Lockheed has the F35 which will be manufactured for decades. Boeing doesnt have anything like that. I suspect Boeing will get the main airframe and Lockheed will get the drone despite Boeings quality issues lately. I think you're right about the engines tho. GE seems to be in a better position rn.

    • @mgcmail2002
      @mgcmail2002 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I worked for the FAA for 32 years dealing with LOCKHEED (LMART) and a few other companies and I can assure you, the government has no problem whatsoever relying on a single company. LMART was there biggest contractor the entire time I worked there. I can't remember a year where LMART didn't have have a major project going with the FAA. I worked with some of the same LMART guys for 10 or 20 years. LMART always did a pretty damn good job. I wouldn't want to see Boeing get the contract.

    • @House_of_Schmidt
      @House_of_Schmidt Před 2 měsíci

      @@mgcmail2002 unless it's a way to give Boeing a "bailout".

  • @mosescyrussolomon-wo6pu
    @mosescyrussolomon-wo6pu Před 4 měsíci +3

    Lockheed will eventually get the airframe for NGAD, Boeing will of course get the loyal wingman, while GE will get the engine. While Pratt &Whitney, and Northrop Grumman will get the navy version of the NGAD, or FA/XX.

    • @nastystang113
      @nastystang113 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I agree with you. The only change I’ll add is that Boeing won’t be the only company on the loyal wingman program. It will be Boeing and one of the many smaller companies developing medium size stealth UAVs.

  • @pyratactual
    @pyratactual Před 25 dny

    Just ran across this video. I like your analysis of contractor involvement in the project. It has the added advantage of keeping all three companies viable via income. The military/government tends to like to have multiple players in the acquisition chain rather than relying on a sing or limited number of suppliers.

  • @LCR-ds2ox
    @LCR-ds2ox Před 4 měsíci +1

    There's no winning, 1 is for the Air Force and another for the Navy, in a sense both should be respected

  • @loganmerryman202
    @loganmerryman202 Před 4 měsíci +3

    CCA fancy way to say missile truck

  • @hifinsword
    @hifinsword Před 4 měsíci +14

    I don't understand why the NGAD designs seem to ignore mounting the engine inlet above the wing vs below the wing. Even a shoulder mounted inlet would minimize the radar cross-section. I understand why mounting under the wing is helpful for maintenance, but stealth should be paramount! Maybe the designs presented here are not what we will get.

    • @cjmunnee3356
      @cjmunnee3356 Před 4 měsíci +18

      I think it has something to do with where the high and low pressure areas on the plane are during a turn.

    • @hifinsword
      @hifinsword Před 4 měsíci +14

      @@cjmunnee3356 I guess having the inlets on top for stealth only makes sense for stealth BOMBERS not FIGHTERS. In a dogfight, the inlets could get blanked out in a turn and stall an engine.

    • @moshunit96
      @moshunit96 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@cjmunnee3356 correct.

    • @SoSwiff
      @SoSwiff Před 4 měsíci +2

      In a bank too much air pressure would be forces into the intake and stall the engine but it probably wouldn't be too bad to have a high and low variable intake.. balancing pressure.. mind you you'd have to redesign all other avionics around the manipulated air pressure. But I could see it having amazing stealth capabilities

  • @michaelgautreaux3168
    @michaelgautreaux3168 Před 4 měsíci +1

    GR8 vid PP! Many thanx 👍👍.
    Yellow 48.

  • @casuallatecomer7597
    @casuallatecomer7597 Před 4 měsíci

    One thing that I want to ask: will all of this be too much for one pilot in one jet? They seem to want a lot from these aircraft and thus the pilot too, so I wonder if using single-seat fighters for these will even be feasible.
    I've heard that NGAD is less a fighter and more like a armed, supersonic AWACS jet. So, wouldn't a twin-seater or multi-crew version be more accommodating for things like drone control or EW suites? I could be wrong on this but I think a multi-crew variant even as a separate aircraft would have some value.

  • @edutaimentcartoys
    @edutaimentcartoys Před 4 měsíci +4

    Maverick (Top Gun Movie) : “It's Not The Plane, It's The Pilot.”

    • @jbloun911
      @jbloun911 Před 3 měsíci

      Or AI pilot....if your tesla car is driving itself today the military already had the tech at least for 50 yrs

    • @edutaimentcartoys
      @edutaimentcartoys Před 3 měsíci

      @@jbloun911 but there must be malware in all of this, a sophisticated system, if there are military hackers like in the film Fast Furious, any vehicle can have a system error

    • @jbloun911
      @jbloun911 Před 3 měsíci

      @@edutaimentcartoys pilotless aircraft... most commercial flights use autopilot

  • @BulletproofPastor
    @BulletproofPastor Před 4 měsíci +7

    This is a very good analytical review of the strengths and weaknesses of each design and the corporation behind them. After 30 years in the defense and space industry I have watched many game changing contracts awarded to those with inferior design and less than stellar corporate business practice. After all is said and done, politics comes to play and sometimes the effectiveness of our national defense suffers for it. Great review.

  • @johngalvin6352
    @johngalvin6352 Před měsícem

    Your right they need to utilise the strengths of each company, to get the best outcome, no one company can do it all.

  • @CasualClinkz
    @CasualClinkz Před 5 dny

    so excited for how this ends up it will be incredibel when you see those for the first time

  • @GauntletKI
    @GauntletKI Před 4 měsíci +6

    Pick both. Deciding between yf-22 & yf-23, means we all lost.

    • @mitchjames9350
      @mitchjames9350 Před 4 měsíci

      The YF23 was the best plane that unfortunately didn’t get chosen.

    • @ncrawford1488
      @ncrawford1488 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I really hoped the Japanese would turn the YF-23 into a world beater, but I haven’t been keeping up with that program.

    • @Rohit-cj6eb
      @Rohit-cj6eb Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@mitchjames9350 you'd telling the same about yf22 if they choose yf23

  • @FloridaManMatty
    @FloridaManMatty Před 4 měsíci +4

    I still think it’s VERY curious that the NGAD renderings we’ve seen over the last couple of years look so much like the 1980s Testors “F-19 Stealth Fighter” model kit. Just lost the vertical stabilizers and throw in a little YF-23 DNA and whaddya know??
    If I’m reading the tea leaves correctly - LockMart will take the USAF NGAD contract and Northrop Grumman will be the Navy’s primary for NGAD. This has as much to do with program management and spreading defense contracts around as much as it does with the actual airplane design. Lockheed still has the F-35 and needs something new to keep their shareholders happy. NG is just starting to get the Raider line going…they can wait a little while before they “need” a new design to keep them going. Plus NG just has a MUCH better relationship with the Navy. Kelly Johnson’s distaste for the USN was legendary, and that kind of influence never completely goes away.

  • @guilhermevitorio273
    @guilhermevitorio273 Před 4 měsíci +1

    With the video alone...I'm liking the boing design a lot more

  • @dreadscott533
    @dreadscott533 Před 4 měsíci +1

    If not for the government keeping Pratt & Whitney afloat by giving them first dibs on all the new project engines….because they need more than one engine sources…GE would’ve wiped them out years ago. All the re-engine/engine improvement jobs go to GE, because they’re just better.

    • @georgesikimeti2184
      @georgesikimeti2184 Před 4 měsíci

      That’s is why Pratt and Whitney is now owned by Lockheed Martin!

  • @scottnj2503
    @scottnj2503 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Well done Tog! Bravo Zulu!

  • @icanseeyouallfromuphere
    @icanseeyouallfromuphere Před 4 měsíci +3

    I'm guessing at some point they'll develop a much faster interceptor, which you would think is due with the NGAD or perhaps a spin off or further development will be.

  • @paul-assiddiq-001
    @paul-assiddiq-001 Před 4 měsíci +1

    The FIREFOX is coming … can’t wait to see it 😄✨

    • @Peakfreud
      @Peakfreud Před 4 měsíci +1

      Was looking for this comment

    • @paul-assiddiq-001
      @paul-assiddiq-001 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Peakfreud , we must be of the same gen. 😄✨

    • @Peakfreud
      @Peakfreud Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@paul-assiddiq-001 Easy Test to tell do you remember (Automan or Street Hawk)?

    • @paul-assiddiq-001
      @paul-assiddiq-001 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Peakfreud … I was an AIRWOLF fan 😎

    • @Peakfreud
      @Peakfreud Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@paul-assiddiq-001 Crazy Part is for as advanced as Night Rider was it didn't Have The Basic GPS, Backup Camera, or even a Dash Cam
      It had a version of Bluetooth tho
      A 2009 Toyota corolla is more advanced 😂

  • @donk1822
    @donk1822 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Well, if you want to use doors as weapons, the Boeing's got it's strong points.

  • @dcolb121
    @dcolb121 Před 4 měsíci +5

    "The stakes could not be higher." Sure they could.

  • @TheBigHeavyKevy
    @TheBigHeavyKevy Před 4 měsíci +3

    Ok so I’m commenting before watching the video.
    I have the feeling that when it comes time for manufacturing this might end up a joint project. Ok, now I’m going to watch.

  • @vincentknight9873
    @vincentknight9873 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Give a contract to both of them

  • @cliffcampbell8827
    @cliffcampbell8827 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Its cute how you think a decision like this will be made by the company that brings the best to the table and not about which company stuffs the most cash into the pockets of the people making the decisions.

  • @MrMyu
    @MrMyu Před 4 měsíci +3

    I remember the YF-22/YF-23 Flyoff. Northrop's YF-23 was faster and supposedly superior in stealth characteristics, but the water cooler talk was that they didn't get the contract as a punishment for cost overruns during development of the B-2 Spirit, as well as not wanting to centralize stealth aircraft production with one company. Given the F-35 program and the issues it's had, plus Lockheed producing the 22 and 35, I'd actually think Boeing has the edge in winning this one if only because of trying to avoid centralizing development within one company.
    As for Boeing's issues, the last couple generations of 737 have been a dumpster fire, but IMO they should have gone clean sheet on that design several generations ago, so being forced to go clean sheet on this might be in their favor.
    My bet would be Boeing getting the fighter, Lockheed getting the drones, and Northrop Grumman getting the Navy/Marines

  • @elijahprasad7884
    @elijahprasad7884 Před 4 měsíci +10

    Northrop Grumman needs to win NGAD with upgraded F-23.

  • @markscion
    @markscion Před 4 měsíci +1

    didn't they separate the phases: one co gets the design; a second gets manufacturing; a third gets sustainment. The concept of NGAD is relatively small fleet sizes that are superseded regularly as tech advances, rather than a design trying to survive 50 years, the build blocks of 200-300 aircraft every 10 years, with the oldest block being retired say every 30 years. The core electronics, radar, CCA, sensor fusion will be shared, etc. Did anyone else hear this or am I way off. (as for engine, I'd go with quarterhorse to get to Mach 5 ... but again, wishful thinking)

  • @ivanlukacevic8075
    @ivanlukacevic8075 Před 4 měsíci

    practical part is that both should build it fly it test it and better one shuld continue with winning contract and production line oprating

  • @GD-mg6pk
    @GD-mg6pk Před 4 měsíci +2

    At least there’s no doors on a fighter jet… so they got that going for them.

  • @thefrustratedtheologian6238
    @thefrustratedtheologian6238 Před 4 měsíci +11

    The question is whether the AF learned their lesson with the ATF program. The correct solution with NGAD is to buy SOME OF BOTH!

  • @spencerkirkpatrick8116
    @spencerkirkpatrick8116 Před 2 měsíci

    You have the airframe mixed up. The Lockheed silhouette has the tail sting.

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 Před dnem

    The one who’s wheels fall off loses

  • @StEvEn-dp1ri
    @StEvEn-dp1ri Před 4 měsíci +3

    It'll probably be Lockheed, they don't cut corners and make amazing aircraft. Boeing as of late has decided to fill its board of directors with accountants instead of engineers, from my understanding, that has affected their products. They worry more about the bottom line. Look at Starliner. The 737max problems, software, and hardware. McDonald Douglas made the F-15 and F-18, and Boeing is happy to take the credit for those who don't know that fact. For the country and bragging rights, I hope it's Lockheed. But, I digress, time will tell.

  • @joeygay7115
    @joeygay7115 Před 7 dny +1

    Lets all hope Boeing builds a better fighter than commercial planes. Mach speed and the cockpit blowing off would suck

  • @gumpycognac4505
    @gumpycognac4505 Před 4 měsíci

    Not gona lie dude, your guesses seem very solid! Lockheed airframe with Northrop brains sounds terrifying tbh

  • @javierrflores
    @javierrflores Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you sir , I finally was able to set up my airplane

  • @johnsanders9622
    @johnsanders9622 Před 20 dny

    It really depends on which company’s board the decision maker plans to retire to.

  • @Kefoo_
    @Kefoo_ Před 4 měsíci +2

    -- *_Pros & Cons ... Nice!_*

  • @arfeloreed
    @arfeloreed Před 4 měsíci +1

    The answer to the question of who will win is who can lobby more to the decision makers and what kind of compromise the loser will make.

  • @Jakesmusings
    @Jakesmusings Před 3 dny

    If we don’t want the wings to fall off, they should pick Lockheed