Just bought this yesterday, (1 year after this video was uploaded) Mine came with a gasket and adapter for the end of the collection hose. They have thickened the lid too! I also own the Oneida and wanted a second for part of the shop that doesn't get used as often. I drop it on a milk crate and it never tips.
This is why I really like your channel, fair,objective and great follow up. I run a cyclone on all my vacuums larger or small . Get mobile stations idea on net and pintrest. Keep them coming. Thanks for sticking with it.
Glad I saw your video because my connections were crossed and was wondering why my shop vac was filling over the 5 gallon bucket. Thank you ....I will swap the hoses tomorrow and continue my concrete grinding
Just got the cyclone today, Used the hose that came with the kit between the vacuum and cyclone, I used 2 home depot buckets. Have the problem still with the buckets collapsing and the hose that came with the kit is to soft and also collapses. I changed to a sturdier bucket that stopped the bucket collapse but still working on what hose to use to replace the hose that came with kit, the cyclone stopped 99% of the dust from getting to vacuum which is a 100% improvement over the home depot one I was using. Thank you for the video.
I put a 1/2 inch round wood plate with the center cut out to reinforce the lid to keep it from flexing. I get nothing, no dust, anything in my shop vac using this. I also have two Dust Deputes. Same thing for them.
You get nothing when you use 2? I did the same ring on the lid and there wouldn't be anything IN my shopvac but the filter would still fill up. Much slower than without but all the fine stuff still made it through. Im considering adding one of those dust buster in line separators, theyre maybe 14" long but a lot smaller diameter for airflow.
Scott...I made a disc out of 1/2" plywood to bolt to the inside of the lid to prevent the cyclone from drooping...used silicon sealer on it as well. You might want to add 4 more mount holes to the cyclone to distribute the clamping force better around the mount ring. I like the 5 gallon cart. I built a roll around cart that holds the vacuum, cyclone, vacuum accessories and hose. It's bulky but very stable and can be easily rolled into position or out of the way.
Yeah, the plywood desk is the one suggestion but I just didn’t have time to apply and I can see how that Hass to help. The idea of building some sort of a cart to combine the two on the same footprint makes an awful lot of sense. Scott
That adapter that came with the Bauer fits inside the 4’ hose perfectly, and a 2” rubber coupler with pipe clamps works well for the other one. That’s how I got mine to work.
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I have 1 dust deputy and one Chinese knock off. Both have similar issues. Hoses need adaptors the bucket lid needs reinforcement. That said. In years I’ve never needed to replace my filter or dumped my shop vac. I would expect that the hose with the Bauer would fit the Bauer shop vac. Crazy that it doesn’t.
Well on the Eastern edge of the Supply chain there is no "Bauer" or "Harbor Freight" just a bunch of companies that somehow (maybe a Chinese Government trade facilitator) sells these products to the world. The right hand doesn't even know there is a left hand much less what the other hand it doing. If there were any sort of "standards" for shop vacuums, vacuum hoses and fittings, ID's and OD's, etc. It would simplify. But correct me if I'm wrong, a lot of other makers, including Festool and Makita have non-standard "standard fittings" on their dust ports and dust collection products. too.
@@mikeking7470 my gripe exactly… I have a 5gallon bucket of fittings and nozzles… I tried color coding them but some fit inside of one thing and outside of another… after you get away from the vacc… the tool hookups are even worse! I hate government interference, but I can’t believe there isn’t a vacc/collector industry professional group that hasn’t set up voluntary guidelines. I served on the National Association of Bedding Manufacturers technical guidelines committee back around 1980… that’s why all of your fitted sheets, bed frames, pillow cases and blankets all fit. It took three months to research and draft the standard and 6 months to get it adopted. They’ve been expanded to include innovations but, the basic standard hasn’t changed one iota! At that time the big S Corporations. (Serta, Sealy, Simmons, Springaire, Stearnes & Foster) only held 60% of the market. The rest of the bedding was made by mom & pop factories. Yet, they still came together and adopted the standard across the board… what they all realized was… that special little something that they thought was their competitive advantage was lost when customers couldn’t buy a frame to fit it on or a sheet to fit on it. (I can’t remember the exact number but, a dealer who sold bedding to the public would have to carry ~30 different SKU’s of bed frames to match all of the sizes of bedding offered.) That is why I don’t buy the ShopVac brand… the hose size isn’t compatible with my hookups! As I said, it can be done. Will it? Obviously the industry is still too immature to do so.
@@mikeking7470 "non-standard "standard fittings" on their dust ports and dust collection products. too." Some of that is so it forces the use of their products.
I didn't see your first review, but this and every other one I've seen are highly impressed with it's performance. Nice to know! And good for you for listening to others advice on this device!
Great video - I have ground down thousands of SF of thin set off of floors - my first unit was the Oneida - still got it 15 years later - I have tried several other units on the market - the critical area in all applications is proper seal on the buckets and hoses - vacuum leaks really impact the effectiveness of the unit - unfortunately when grinding down thinset, the dust is so fine that some of it passes through to the shop vac - but only a very, very small amount - a filled 5 gal bucket of dust vs just a small layer of dust on the filter and virtually no dust in the bottom of the shop vac is a great achievement
Not sure if you noticed, but Harbor Freight products you have to put together are notorious for poor instructions that make very little sense. So you are under grace for this one! ;-)
So so interesting. I have not played with using a cyclone in my dust collection. This was so informative and that's why I really appreciate the work you do. I've learned so much. I'm a bit behind watching you because I've traveled from CA to FL and am not in my shop currently. Great stuff, you really have me thinking and I appreciate all the comments from your subscribers; what a great bunch of people!
I add a vacuum bag to the shop vac. You lose a little bit of suction in the short term but it's more efficient long term. Because it keeps the filter cleaner for longer.
Outstanding follow-up. Good of you to be as fair as possible to a product that did not look very promising. Most people wouldn't have bothered, especially if they already had a negative bias toward HF products.
Good video. I never used a small collection system. Now that I've left the commercial world and going to my home shop, something like this will come in handy in my 12x16 workshop. Thanks.
I got a lot of information from the Pentz site. The main things are a lust for a true 5HP dust cleaning system and learning the difference between dust collection and filtration. Dust collection keeps the shop reasonably clean, dust filtration keeps my lungs reasonably clean.
I know exactly what you mean. I had a 5hp system once that I sold because it was just too loud and powerful for my shop space and I couldn't find a way to install it outside because we were renting at the time. It was pretty amazing, though. Scott
I have read that article… it didn’t make me smarter… but it did tell me several things I didn’t know! Scott, I wonder if the efficiency and volume of air is significantly affected by increasing the container size? A barrel or a trash can, lined with a plastic bag, would help to reduce tipping and prolong time between clean outs.
This is interesting to think about in terms of air friction. On a regular dust collector, like mine, the CFM drops a little when the bottom bag becomes full. This is because the bag ring is a cyclone and the spinning air in the meal ring experiences friction with the dust in the bottom bag. This friction is transferred upward into the cyclone via the column of air in the bag. I think of the bag air as grease between the dust and moving cyclone air. As the bag fills with dust there is less grease so more and more friction is applied to the air in the bag ring which slows the velocity and lowers the CFM. Also, as the bag fill more dust goes up into the filter. So, one thought is that a larger bottom container for the cyclone could reduce friction with in the cyclone. Although, I believe that the conical cyclones (vs. cylindrical) are not as impacted by this in the first place because the area is so small at the bottom.
@@woodshopnerdery The only time I get any dust in the Shop Vac filter is when I let the buckets get too full. If you empty them before they are 4" from the top of the bucket the shop vac filters will stay clean for years!!!
@@MarkJonesRanger agree completely. I dump mine when it gets a little over half full and never get anything in the shop vac. Also I took pvc pipe that was slightly smaller than the fittings I needed and used a heat gun to get it flexible enough to stretch over the fitting on the vacuum and the end of the hose. Worked perfectly.
My cyclone is a no name I purchased some years ago and the only thing I did to it was mount it to a plywood disc, that I cut out, and then fastened it to the top of the five gal. can. Then, because I use it in the cellar of my home, I tied it to one of the post supports. It is permenantely hooked up to a large shop vac. I have done a lot of vacuuming with it and may have only dumped it four times. But it is my small cyclone, my other pseudo cyclone is a home made one made from a large metal garbage can. When your poor, you make do!
A friend makes his living building wood trucks and doing intarsia. His shop is a dust calamity waiting to happen. He saw how my vac-over-Dust Deputy cyclone worked and asked me to build him one, as a favor. I told him I would. To the end of building it, he ordered the plastic version of the DD. Too, he ordered a 20 gallon drum I showed him on line ($60.00), which has a metal snap on lid attachment, like my metal version of the DD does. It seals well, and won't require a bucket lid tool to access the collector bin. Like the 55 gallon one under my Super Dust Deputy, I'll install a view port when I put his together to allow monitoring of the fill level. The view port allows me to see when it's time to empty the bin, even through the lightweight, clear lawn bag.
I was a technical support engineer for over nine years. The Help Desk has a favorite saying, “RTFM”, meaning, Read The F-ing Manual. Glad you did! Awesome video. I will get one of those cyclones, but I’m going to add a circle of plywood to the underside of the lid to make it more rigid.
I have 2 Dust Deputies. 4" and a 2" a Dustopper and a Bauer. Dustopper in my shop doesn't work as well as the cyclones. I bought the bauer for the CNC shavings clean up will mount it under the table. The 4" Dust Deputy handles the light dust from the CNC enclousure. Hands down the Dust Deputy style in my shop keeps me from cleaning filters for years at a time. This last 2 weeks I was resawing walnut and made 35 gallons of walnut dust and just emptied the buckets and the filters are still clean and the suction is 100% all the time. I don't know if the bauer unit will hold up over time as the American made units have but will find out over the next few years. 99.9 percent of the dust stays in the bucket. That is awesome!
@@MyGrowthRings It wouldn't be a bad idea to do so. If they let dust into the filter that means there is a leak. I didn't have any leaks on my tests on the bauer. I pulled the filter off the shop vac and cleaned it with the bauer and then put it back on the shop vac. Then cleaned up around the shop with it. I figured it would preform as well as my two dust deputies. I did clean up a bit and opened up the shop vac. Clean in there. Lots of dust in the bucket. I may make a small cart for my portable shop vac it has no wheels but it's powerful and can be used as a leaf blower. Or it may go on the CNC machine at this time I have a 25' pool hose on a dust deputy and a Fast Cap Reel cleaning up the saw dust from the CNC carvings.
I apricots you remake on the video, I just bought this same one from hf. The description on the box has been changed to remove confusion. My experience with hf is some times they have been opened and parts stolen. In directions after warnings there is now a note directing you to the parts list. Mine also came with large adapter on collectionalready assembled with clamp. Insuring correct assembly. When assembling mine I used washers with a lRger diameter to keep bolts and small washers from breaking through
Not sure how much you save by the time you get the adapters, extra bucket, roller base, etc. needed for the Bauer. The Home Depot unit is pretty much ready to go out of the box. I have one of the internet versions of the Bauer clone of the Dust Deputy, I'll probably go for mounting it on a bigger barrel, since I already own it. I might even try for a DIY version of the Oneida wall mounted unit.
The bucket with the separator on it cut that bucket in half discard the bottom half and you don't have to worry about the suction problem this is my answer it's easy quick
About protecting yourself from breathing in the fine dust while working with wood: I recently contacted an older gentleman who was selling out all of his woodworking tools and accessories and purchased a couple things from him. His reason for choosing a new hobby? He had severely damaged his lungs, affecting his breathing capacity, and could no longer do woodworking. He told me the major cause of his medical condition was primarily the years of lathe turning, using the exotics that contain harmful substances that are breathed into the lungs. But, the fine dust from any wood is a risk to your lungs.
That’s a shame, Larry, and not an isolated incident. I think we all obsess about losing a finger, which is a rare occurrence, but something on the order of 10% of woodworkers develop repertory issues. Of course that isn’t entirely caused by dust, but it sure isn’t helped by it. Scott
Not only the organic material in the airborne dust that we can potentially breath in, but also there's a whole lot of very nasty caustic chemicals that are used in the production of commercial lumber and sheet goods.
I have the Oneida separator connected to an easy empty 100% wood container and use a 12 gal shop vac and have 0 complaints. I have a table saw, router table and sliding miter saw all with $4 blast gates and 0 complaints. Most of my work is using mdf which is very fine dust. Some things are a good deal at harbor freight. Some things are not worth bringing home.
I always go to CZcams for the majority of my information for tricks and tips and although I’ve been wood working for quite sometime there’s always someone in the world that can make what I do a little easier and time is business and business is money lol thanks to CZcams I’ve double my production.
I do exactly the same thing. I got the oil changed in my bride's minivan and the technician couldn't figure out how to rest the oil life counter. While he searched his many manuals I pulled up a CZcams video that was in Spanish (which I don't know) and 30 seconds later I reset the counter. The guy came back to the car and was shocked that I got the answer so quickly. That has been repeated for me many times over and it has been fun to share what I know with others. Scott
Scott, I take back what I said. After seeing the far better performance of the Bauer Cyclone this go around. I'd say it maybe an improvement for you sister's basement if she doesn't have dust collection of some sort already for her own tools. Good video.
So my criticisms are that the connection to the bucket is too flimsy and if you use it in a mobile configuration, it will be the point of failure. It is also too tall to put in a stack. Other than tht, it works a little better than the Dustopper, so if you intend to use it in a stationary environment like under a bench or tool, it's probably good. If you're using a stack or side-by-side, the Dustopper is good enough and so much better designed. Dust Deputy is best, but cost more and it shares the problem of making too tall a stack if you go that direction. You'll always be pulling your stack over unless you zip-tie your hose down to toward the bottom of the stack.
Costly improvements to make the product servicable. There are othere products that have equal or beter results "out of the box"; though a bit more expensive, it wont require multiple trips for other materials, cutting, assembly. I cut costs with a bunch of ChinesiumFreight stuff. But this dust separation product isn't for me. Thanks for SAVING me time and not wasting money.
I didn't see the first vid. But, just have to say good job on here. Just bought a Bauer Shop Vac. And TBH was not impressed with lack of no bags and attachments. I regret buying it. For near the same cost could have bought a rigid or other with attachments. So like this Bauer product it stated hose sold separately was just another reason I would shy away. Also, it took so many extra steps just to make this work and it is flimsy on the bucket. I would rather just buy the other products you have shown.
Companies could win so much more often if THEY included the tips and tricks. Of course then people would say, "Why didn't they just put it together that way in the first place?" Money. If you want a CHEAP tool, expect to do a bit of jerry rigging to turn it into an awesome tool. If companies just SAID that, I'd respect them a bit more. "You've got something decent in your hands, but with fifteen minutes of work, you could have an excellent product. If we did all of that ourselves, you'd be paying much more. You decide how much fifteen minutes of your time is worth." I'd be willing to meet them halfway if they took that approach.
Seems to me that the additional time and effort required to get the Bauer working properly makes the slightly more expensive Dustopper option a better deal. I don't expect much from HF stuff, although their quality has improved greatly in recent years. We'll see how recent supply chain issues affect that.
Some people abuse their tools and some are very hard on tools. I have used HF tools for decades and the only problems I ever had were a bar clamp that failed and a $10 hand grinder that died. They are great value if you treat your tools with respect.
@@tclem44 Yeah, I've had a drill control board burn up, and I had a drill press for about an hour that went back because of a wicked vibration. Some bar clamp mechanisms that failed, but otherwise not too bad.
I actually used similar ones and they do work. Similar designs claims to capture 99.99%. I have no way to verify that percentage but I have never needed to change my shop vacs filters (and the shop vac container) and they stay really clean as long as I empty out the bucket when it is 2/3 full. I ended up with reinforcing with three around 1/2" thick plywood sheets. One below lid, one above lid, and nail/screw them to firm up the lid. Another one donut sheet up higher to contain the cyclone with vertical three vertical rectangular plywood sheets to hold up against the lid top sheet. The reason for all above is that the flimsy lid began to crack and leak after some decent uses, just by the weight of hose connected to the cyclone or worse by pulling on the hose by normoforce. By the way, you can find same/similar (no hose no lid) things at about half price if you can wait for one month or so delivery. Have fun.
Hey Peter. Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of inexpensive, no name cyclones available. Does yours have a dollar sign molded into it, as many of them do? That made me laugh when I first saw it. You sure had to put a lot of effort into it. I do that too, sometimes, and that can be part of the fun of woodworking, but other times, when I have more money than time, I opt for the “out-of-the-box” option. Glad to hear it worked out for you. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Mine does not have $ sign. That was the old design that claimed to have around 98%. There have been "upgrades" and the latest designs are similar (almost identical) to HF one (not sure who is copying who) and claim up to 99.99%. I have bought several ones (actually almost 10 of them since they are so "cheap") and the new upgrades do improve (really clean shop vac container). I was trying to make a multi cyclone ( similar to current bag free house vacuum) to use with the HF high CFM dust collector but I found a much simpler way. Have fun and kill the boredom.
I had a friend who experienced that and was actually blown through the sliding sheet metal doors of his shed my the explosion. I hope everyone came through your fire safely.
Scott if your 2 buckets are sticking together take your air compressor hose and blow air in between the seams of the 2 buckets and the upper bucket wil release.
Field Treasure Designs has a very nice cart design that mounts the collection bucket and cyclone above the shop vac . The biggest problem I see with the Bauer Cyclone is the cheap hose they provide. I would throw it away and use a quality hose but by then you have probably equaled the cost of an Onieda cyclone or Dust Deputy.
I worked at Harbor Freight for 3 years, with an extensive background in most of the tools they sell, and knowledgeable on every tool they sell. If one takes the time to look through the pictures on the packaging of the product, you'll find 75% of them are incorrect pictures. Some pictures, if followed, are impossible to get the proper performance or assembly from the product, borderline dangerous. The same goes for much of the instruction and/or assembly manuals. Usually they're 10% on instructions or assembly, and 90% safety recommendations. No smoking, wear cut-proof gloves, goggles and a hazmat suit when using that I-beam level, etc.... cuz the Chinese care about us 🤫🤭🤗
Isn't that sweet? 🤣 Thanks for chiming in, Scott. I've been buying from HF for at least 25 years, going back to when I had to order them through an ad in a magazine. They've come a long way and I really do like the value that most of the Bauer tools represent, but it's maddening to be a guy who reads and trusts manufacturers' instructions and the information conflicts. I suppose that's what you get when products are reverse engendered. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings that's why 'real men' don't read instructions(insert smiley face here), although...occasionally, out of frustration, my wife will read them and tell me how to get something to work.
The 5 gallon bucket is way too small. I have a 16 gallon shopvac that died. Ill attach it to that. Actually the dust deputy shows that setup- and it already has wheels and is hard to tip over. Its only 45$ on EBay for a dust deputy - that works. Of course you don't get the hose, but you can get shop vac hoses at lowes or home depot.
Regarding the Bill Pentz information, I made a comment earlier which was poorly phrased and rightfully filtered out of the public discourse. I'll try again. I really like the information on Pentz provides. Unfortunately, his recommendations are out of reach for me in term of available time and dollars. Pentz summarizes his recommendations in the "Here is the Goal" section of the "Dust Collection Basic" page. I cannot afford to buy new tools with better dust collection, build hoods and shrouds, buy a cyclone, buy a 0.5 micron filter, and a 2hp or better motor with 12 inch impeller. Also, I don't live in a climate where I can vent outside. I am actively looking for ways to improve the system I have now, but I refuse to feel badly that I cannot, right now, reach this ideal. Probably, the best I could do is something along the lines of an Oneida Mini Gorilla, but at $1400, its not in the cards right now.
Get in the habit of always wearing the best dust mask you can afford when working with wood, paints, cleaner's etcetera. Especially when vacuuming up the shop floor. Those paper pleated filters are a great defense but you can't believe how much super fine dust gets by them and into our bodies. Thanks for sharing.
I have the dustopper, easy set gives you everything you need, no guessing need. What would be better than the bucket caddie is a well built cabinet for both wet/dry and the 5 gal bucket. And no I have yet to do this simple thing… 😞
to solve the hose to tool connectivity issue on my Hercules random orbital sander (oval dust port to round hose), I 3d printed a connector and glued it onto the sander since I don't ever use it without the vac.
Hey Danilo, yeah, that suggestion has bees made before. The Dustopper worked so much better right out of the box and has a much lower (less top-heavy) profile, so even though the Bauer could be made to work better, I don’t feel the need to put any more time into it. Thanks for adding to the conversation. Scott
Steps you took in this video may have helped a bit, but I think the main reason for previous less than optimal dust separation was due to the bucket felling over while the vacuum was running. That have happened to me once and as I'm running regular home vacuum with a dust bag the effect was that immediately the separator let most of dust and chips from the bucket to the outlet and the dust bag filled and clogged immediately. The immediate difference in suction and noise level from the vacuum helped me pinpoint the moment the dust bag was clogged.
You would think so but I actually did the test several times without the tip over and was still getting a ton of dust bypassing the cyclone. It wasn’t until I implemented the recommended changes that I got better performance.
I have my doubts about cyclones. The only thing it separates is the large particles. The dangerous stuff still goes through the filter. Even then, the longer path the air takes through the cyclone adds a tremendous amount of friction, seriously slowing the air down, rendering it less effective. This is backed up by a comparison of test done by Wood nagazine a few years ago, where a single stage Powermatic dust collector pretty much waxed every cyclone except one, that only beat it in particle count because the Powermatic was using a non-hepa filter. Air movement and static pressure was far better on the single stage. If that single stage would of had a hepa filter, it would have beaten every single cyclone in the comparison.
How is a guy supposed to follow nonexistent instructions? It's hard to say you were at fault in the first video. None of us were born knowing any of this stuff. I contemplated putting my dust collector in a garage storeroom adjacent to my shop until I realized that it would suck out all of my cooled or heated air in about 3 minutes. That is unacceptable in the Gulf Coast humidity and heat that's with us for 8 months out of the year. Not only would it get hot, but all of my cast iron tool surfaces would rust. The saying of "100° and 100% humidity" is a myth but real figures are more like 95° and 80% humidity, going to 80° and 92% or so at night. Shhhh- listen to your tools rust!
I'm in NC and know exactly what you mean. There's a lot to be said for placing the dust collector in an adjacent room with filtered ventilation between. Scott
FYI- this is a great example of foreign patent violation. The original is still being made by Oneida, a small Central New York company that has been making vacuum systems for years. The small cycloidal version is the victim of this theft, if you would like good information about the tested and proven original ( designed by and built by American workers) look them up. I am pretty sure that they are on the web. Do a valuable test between the original and the import knock off that sends our dollars overseas. Or not.😊
I did a bit of a dive into the patents, and though I'm not a patent attorney, it looks like they are in the clear on this one. I wish that weren't the case, though. Scot
Thank you for your videos, very helpful. The question I have, but haven't seen a answer to is, what are the inside and outside dimensions of both the intake and outtake ports on the harbor freight cyclone. Thank you for your response. Also, your presentation is informative, pleasant and intertaining.
@@MyGrowthRings No, with the lid screwed on. It just creates enough space to prevent the buckets from nesting tightly. Plus, it's a useful way to recycle.
Great step by step troubleshooting. In my opinion you had the hoses configured in the optimal fashion in the first video. The important thing is it does not leak. There is less dust in the vacuum, but in my opinion, the key benefit of a pre-separator is to maintain a cleaner filter longer so that air flow and suction is maintained longer. It was hard to tell from the footage how clean the filter started out. But it did look like the filter had a lot of dust in it.
It started out with about that same amount of fine dust. I suppose I should have started with a new filter, but I was just thrilled that the vacuum didn’t have 3 gallons of dust in it like last time.
Yeah, the issues was there was conflicting information between the packaging and the instructions. Shouldn't have come as a surprise, but just stating the facts. Yeah, I have a couple of those bucket dollies and they work very well. Scott
In my opinion, the people who complained that you had the hoses hooked up in the wrong order are out to lunch. A hose is a hose and they are both the same diameter. No matter which one you put on the vacuum end and which one on the tool end is irrelevant. Air still moves through them at the same rate. For that system, I would DEFINITELY use the short floppy hose as the connector to the vacuum and have the main longer hose as your main "working" hose to attach tools and clean floor. If your test was so bad in the first video, I believe it is PARTLY due to the air leakage that you found and LARGELY due to the fact that it fell over part way through the test, which caused a huge amount of dust from inside the collector to bounce back and get sucked into the vacuum. Now that you're getting better results, try half filling it then kick it over again to see what happens. Basically, I say there was nothing wrong with what you did. It was just the tip over that spoiled it.
Hi, Great video and thanks for the follow-up! I just wanted to write in about your comment regarding Bill Pentz inspiring the Dust Deputy. This is highly unlikely. Oneida has been producing cyclone dust collection systems since the early '90's - way before Bill Pentz came around. I actually still have one of Oneida's first systems. I also believe Oneida was actually making a metal version of Dust Deputy way before any of the plastic models came around.
Put a wooden round plate on the bottom of the lid just wide enough to attatch the intake to the lid so it will be more sturdy.use the same 4 bolts or longer.
If you cut the bottom out of the red Bauer bucket you would be able to lift the whole assembly out of the blue bucket easily. Then just dump the blue bucket.
I’m thinking that since the dolly has mounting holes that I’ll probably drill holes and mount the blue bucket. That should prevent the vacuum between them and should make the red bucket easy to remove. We’ll see. Thanks for thinking about this, Craig. Scott
One thing I notice right off when looking at the Bauer, the Dustopper and the Oneida is the Oneida is made un the US. That, for me is what makes me want the Oneida. I try to support US workers as much as possible. Thanks for the reviews. But he videos were very helpful. I do like the Dustopper as it seems to be less clunky. Now, if it were only made in the US
I added a 3/4" peice of plywood to the bottom of the bucket w/ bolts and silicon. and the bolts are carrage bolts that touch the floor and then a wire from them that goes to the top on the inside and hooks up to a metal tape that goes the full length of the vac pipes. This prevents a NASTY static Arc that will ruin your afternoon and could cause a serious Fire when you dump out the bucket of fine saw dust. I had a 4" blue Arc that paralized my thumb for a couple hours the first time I used a dust deputy and then emptied it! NOT FUN. Be careful. Static Electricty is very real and dangerous. (Don't fill a gas can on the tail gate or in the trunk or in the pickup bed either!!!!!!!!!!!) Only on the ground. We Must stay Grounded to the Good Earth!!! God Bless
i get that the jury rigged bauer and another vac to power it could probably cost maybe $125? and the shopsmith vac is what, 3x that? but from a function POV, you got these two things and their footprint to pull around, multiple hoses and buckets you need to empty all the time, and in the configuration you showed only one hose. the footprint size argument is in favor of the shopsmith i think, and its easy to use, as i frequently do, the two hose inputs. i am still on the shopsmith vac side of the discussion..
I totally agree with what you’re saying. I think the Shopsmith dust collector is a far better tool than this approach, but it just isn’t within the reach of everybody. I will eventually do some thing to mount the bucket above the vacuum so at least it’s not taking up as much space, but the little bucket dolly did serve as an immediate upgrade. Scott
Yes, yet other places, including the instructions showed it differently. My point was that they don’t know what they are doing when they knock off a product.
@@MyGrowthRings Chinese to English can get muddy. I guess that is why they have street signs with big red circles and a slash . The picture works in any language.
Good question. I was happy that the Bauer was able to redeem itsself, but not until I invested more money and time in it. The Dustopper worked perfectly right out of the box and has a lower profile, so for my money I would opt for the Dustopper. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Scott, is that simply because you don't want to have to empty the 5 gallon bucket frequently or is there a more technical reason? I have only used my Mark V/7 on small tasks so far, but liked having the Dustopper connected to my Ridgid vac as it worked well separating so far.
@@MyGrowthRings As i implied earlier, connecting the DC3300 to these separators does not work well; however, the DC3300 works great with a baffle separator such as laid out in the Rockwell plans. I built that into a two drawer separator under my router table. To that I added a ceiling mounted shop dust extractor and a window-mounted ventilation fan. My asthmatic wife is happy = happy life and I can keep on wood working! Crazy John
I have two Home Depot "Dustopper" brand cyclone separators. I'm very happy with them. The HF brand Bower separator was not available when I purchased the Dustoppers but I did consider the possibility of going with similarly designed brand. What I liked about the Dustopper was its low profile and low price. Considering how the Bower's instability, inferior hose design and its high price were an issue in the demonstration, I think I made a wise chose.
A hepa filter and bag on the vacuum is a good idea to to protect the motor. Then exhaust the exit air to the outside. Tptools has a dust collector exhaust kit. I want to use this for a blast cabinet and dint want any if the blast dust inside my garage at all.
I worked in the mining industry for many years. With huge cyclone setups. If you have any understanding at all about how a cyclone works, it would be obvious that the hose from vacuum goes in the top. Just saying
I'd like to build something like they use in sawmills where they have a large pipe running the length of the shop. At each machine they have a t and a smaller hose to connect to the saws and the collector just constantly runs while they work
The problem with that is total cost and space requirement. Lets say you have 4 tools, and each tool require a gate and a T connection plus the hose itself. Every piece adds resistance. With all that resistance, you need a stronger motor, and possibly a beefier circuit. And a huge collector on top of that and you have a great system, but it takes up a huge amount of space. And possibly cost several thousands of dollars too. But it is awesome once you have it. Back in school, we had a system like that when we learned woodworking.
Just bought this yesterday, (1 year after this video was uploaded) Mine came with a gasket and adapter for the end of the collection hose. They have thickened the lid too! I also own the Oneida and wanted a second for part of the shop that doesn't get used as often. I drop it on a milk crate and it never tips.
Glad to hear that they’ve made some improvements and the milk crate is a smart move. Thanks for reporting in. Scott
I got the foam gasket in mine too.
You have your hoses mixed up. Put the short hose between the cyclone and the vacum and visa versa
You just showed me an example of how to take criticism and find value in it humbly and gratefully. The world needs more of you in it.
That’s very kind. Thanks for making my day.
The 2 bucket trick to stop it imploding on itself was the tip I really needed. So simple yet effective, Thanks.
This did not work for me, used a bucket that came with dry detergent from costco and that stopped the collapsing bucket problem for me.
This is why I really like your channel, fair,objective and great follow up. I run a cyclone on all my vacuums larger or small . Get mobile stations idea on net and pintrest. Keep them coming. Thanks for sticking with it.
Thanks, Lance. I need to do that very thing. I’ve looked at a few videos on CZcams but you’re right, Pinterest probably has a bunch of ideas. Scott
Glad I saw your video because my connections were crossed and was wondering why my shop vac was filling over the 5 gallon bucket. Thank you ....I will swap the hoses tomorrow and continue my concrete grinding
Just got the cyclone today, Used the hose that came with the kit between the vacuum and cyclone, I used 2 home depot buckets. Have the problem still with the buckets collapsing and the hose that came with the kit is to soft and also collapses. I changed to a sturdier bucket that stopped the bucket collapse but still working on what hose to use to replace the hose that came with kit, the cyclone stopped 99% of the dust from getting to vacuum which is a 100% improvement over the home depot one I was using. Thank you for the video.
I put a 1/2 inch round wood plate with the center cut out to reinforce the lid to keep it from flexing. I get nothing, no dust, anything in my shop vac using this. I also have two Dust Deputes. Same thing for them.
You get nothing when you use 2? I did the same ring on the lid and there wouldn't be anything IN my shopvac but the filter would still fill up. Much slower than without but all the fine stuff still made it through. Im considering adding one of those dust buster in line separators, theyre maybe 14" long but a lot smaller diameter for airflow.
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Great comment, John. Bonus points for that!
Cut a circle of 1/4 inch plywood to reinforce the bucket lid. Tippy? screw the bottom ( from the inside) to a circle of square of plywood.
Scott...I made a disc out of 1/2" plywood to bolt to the inside of the lid to prevent the cyclone from drooping...used silicon sealer on it as well. You might want to add 4 more mount holes to the cyclone to distribute the clamping force better around the mount ring. I like the 5 gallon cart. I built a roll around cart that holds the vacuum, cyclone, vacuum accessories and hose. It's bulky but very stable and can be easily rolled into position or out of the way.
Yeah, the plywood desk is the one suggestion but I just didn’t have time to apply and I can see how that Hass to help. The idea of building some sort of a cart to combine the two on the same footprint makes an awful lot of sense. Scott
Stiffness on that flexing lid looks like a must.
That adapter that came with the Bauer fits inside the 4’ hose perfectly, and a 2” rubber coupler with pipe clamps works well for the other one. That’s how I got mine to work.
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I have 1 dust deputy and one Chinese knock off. Both have similar issues. Hoses need adaptors the bucket lid needs reinforcement. That said. In years I’ve never needed to replace my filter or dumped my shop vac. I would expect that the hose with the Bauer would fit the Bauer shop vac. Crazy that it doesn’t.
I know, that didn’t make sense TJ me either.
Well on the Eastern edge of the Supply chain there is no "Bauer" or "Harbor Freight" just a bunch of companies that somehow (maybe a Chinese Government trade facilitator) sells these products to the world. The right hand doesn't even know there is a left hand much less what the other hand it doing. If there were any sort of "standards" for shop vacuums, vacuum hoses and fittings, ID's and OD's, etc. It would simplify. But correct me if I'm wrong, a lot of other makers, including Festool and Makita have non-standard "standard fittings" on their dust ports and dust collection products. too.
@@mikeking7470 my gripe exactly… I have a 5gallon bucket of fittings and nozzles… I tried color coding them but some fit inside of one thing and outside of another… after you get away from the vacc… the tool hookups are even worse!
I hate government interference, but I can’t believe there isn’t a vacc/collector industry professional group that hasn’t set up voluntary guidelines. I served on the National Association of Bedding Manufacturers technical guidelines committee back around 1980… that’s why all of your fitted sheets, bed frames, pillow cases and blankets all fit. It took three months to research and draft the standard and 6 months to get it adopted. They’ve been expanded to include innovations but, the basic standard hasn’t changed one iota!
At that time the big S Corporations. (Serta, Sealy, Simmons, Springaire, Stearnes & Foster) only held 60% of the market. The rest of the bedding was made by mom & pop factories. Yet, they still came together and adopted the standard across the board… what they all realized was… that special little something that they thought was their competitive advantage was lost when customers couldn’t buy a frame to fit it on or a sheet to fit on it. (I can’t remember the exact number but, a dealer who sold bedding to the public would have to carry ~30 different SKU’s of bed frames to match all of the sizes of bedding offered.) That is why I don’t buy the ShopVac brand… the hose size isn’t compatible with my hookups!
As I said, it can be done. Will it? Obviously the industry is still too immature to do so.
@@mikeking7470 "non-standard "standard fittings" on their dust ports and dust collection products. too." Some of that is so it forces the use of their products.
Exactly right. It’s not unlike sanding disc hole patterns. They all introduce something proprietary hoping theirs will become the standard.
I didn't see your first review, but this and every other one I've seen are highly impressed with it's performance. Nice to know! And good for you for listening to others advice on this device!
Great video - I have ground down thousands of SF of thin set off of floors - my first unit was the Oneida - still got it 15 years later - I have tried several other units on the market - the critical area in all applications is proper seal on the buckets and hoses - vacuum leaks really impact the effectiveness of the unit - unfortunately when grinding down thinset, the dust is so fine that some of it passes through to the shop vac - but only a very, very small amount - a filled 5 gal bucket of dust vs just a small layer of dust on the filter and virtually no dust in the bottom of the shop vac is a great achievement
That’s quite a testimony. Thank you for sharing. Scott
Not sure if you noticed, but Harbor Freight products you have to put together are notorious for poor instructions that make very little sense. So you are under grace for this one! ;-)
Thanks for the grace. Scott
So so interesting. I have not played with using a cyclone in my dust collection. This was so informative and that's why I really appreciate the work you do. I've learned so much. I'm a bit behind watching you because I've traveled from CA to FL and am not in my shop currently. Great stuff, you really have me thinking and I appreciate all the comments from your subscribers; what a great bunch of people!
Thanks Anne, I totally agree about the comments. Are you moving to FL?
I have found that a bar bell weight in the bottom keeps many of these items from tipping over.
Smart call, Joe. Thanks for sharing. Scott
I have same set up but with a 5.5 hp vacuum and works so well it IMPLODED MY harbor freight bucket
I bet it did!
"I won't be called out on my caulking skills any time soon." That's what she said!
I hooked one up and vacuumed up my garage. I filled the 5 gallon bucket with sawdust and NOT A SINGLE BIT of it made it into the shopvac.
That’s great!
I add a vacuum bag to the shop vac. You lose a little bit of suction in the short term but it's more efficient long term. Because it keeps the filter cleaner for longer.
Outstanding follow-up. Good of you to be as fair as possible to a product that did not look very promising. Most people wouldn't have bothered, especially if they already had a negative bias toward HF products.
Thanks. It really gnawed at me because it just didn’t make sense that HF would introduce something that ineffective. Scott
Good video. I never used a small collection system. Now that I've left the commercial world and going to my home shop, something like this will come in handy in my 12x16 workshop. Thanks.
You are welcome. It seems to work OK for this scale. Scott
I got a lot of information from the Pentz site. The main things are a lust for a true 5HP dust cleaning system and learning the difference between dust collection and filtration.
Dust collection keeps the shop reasonably clean, dust filtration keeps my lungs reasonably clean.
I know exactly what you mean. I had a 5hp system once that I sold because it was just too loud and powerful for my shop space and I couldn't find a way to install it outside because we were renting at the time. It was pretty amazing, though. Scott
I have read that article… it didn’t make me smarter… but it did tell me several things I didn’t know!
Scott, I wonder if the efficiency and volume of air is significantly affected by increasing the container size? A barrel or a trash can, lined with a plastic bag, would help to reduce tipping and prolong time between clean outs.
I think there’s a lot to that. I made a separator years ago and the container was roughly 4’ square and it worked very well.
This is interesting to think about in terms of air friction. On a regular dust collector, like mine, the CFM drops a little when the bottom bag becomes full. This is because the bag ring is a cyclone and the spinning air in the meal ring experiences friction with the dust in the bottom bag. This friction is transferred upward into the cyclone via the column of air in the bag. I think of the bag air as grease between the dust and moving cyclone air. As the bag fills with dust there is less grease so more and more friction is applied to the air in the bag ring which slows the velocity and lowers the CFM. Also, as the bag fill more dust goes up into the filter.
So, one thought is that a larger bottom container for the cyclone could reduce friction with in the cyclone. Although, I believe that the conical cyclones (vs. cylindrical) are not as impacted by this in the first place because the area is so small at the bottom.
@@woodshopnerdery The only time I get any dust in the Shop Vac filter is when I let the buckets get too full. If you empty them before they are 4" from the top of the bucket the shop vac filters will stay clean for years!!!
@@MarkJonesRanger agree completely. I dump mine when it gets a little over half full and never get anything in the shop vac. Also I took pvc pipe that was slightly smaller than the fittings I needed and used a heat gun to get it flexible enough to stretch over the fitting on the vacuum and the end of the hose. Worked perfectly.
My cyclone is a no name I purchased some years ago and the only thing I did to it was mount it to a plywood disc, that I cut out, and then fastened it to the top of the five gal. can. Then, because I use it in the cellar of my home, I tied it to one of the post supports. It is permenantely hooked up to a large shop vac. I have done a lot of vacuuming with it and may have only dumped it four times. But it is my small cyclone, my other pseudo cyclone is a home made one made from a large metal garbage can. When your poor, you make do!
You sure do! Glad you found solutions that fit your budget. Scott
A friend makes his living building wood trucks and doing intarsia. His shop is a dust calamity waiting to happen. He saw how my vac-over-Dust Deputy cyclone worked and asked me to build him one, as a favor. I told him I would.
To the end of building it, he ordered the plastic version of the DD. Too, he ordered a 20 gallon drum I showed him on line ($60.00), which has a metal snap on lid attachment, like my metal version of the DD does. It seals well, and won't require a bucket lid tool to access the collector bin.
Like the 55 gallon one under my Super Dust Deputy, I'll install a view port when I put his together to allow monitoring of the fill level. The view port allows me to see when it's time to empty the bin, even through the lightweight, clear lawn bag.
Kelly, that sounds like a great solution. Thanks for commenting and for sharing your approach on LumberJocks.com! Scott
Thank you for the follow up. Fair and honest. Love you.
Thanks.
I was a technical support engineer for over nine years. The Help Desk has a favorite saying, “RTFM”, meaning, Read The F-ing Manual. Glad you did! Awesome video. I will get one of those cyclones, but I’m going to add a circle of plywood to the underside of the lid to make it more rigid.
And when the translation from Chinese to English is so bad that it doesn’t make any sense?
@@akbychoice That's when my wife comes in play. She can translate it since that's her main language, lol
@@putiputain1230 that’s cheating and takes the fun out of it.
I have 2 Dust Deputies. 4" and a 2" a Dustopper and a Bauer. Dustopper in my shop doesn't work as well as the cyclones. I bought the bauer for the CNC shavings clean up will mount it under the table. The 4" Dust Deputy handles the light dust from the CNC enclousure. Hands down the Dust Deputy style in my shop keeps me from cleaning filters for years at a time. This last 2 weeks I was resawing walnut and made 35 gallons of walnut dust and just emptied the buckets and the filters are still clean and the suction is 100% all the time. I don't know if the bauer unit will hold up over time as the American made units have but will find out over the next few years. 99.9 percent of the dust stays in the bucket. That is awesome!
Mark, I'm glad to hear you are getting such a good performance from them. Did you add a gasket or caulk between the Bauer and the lid? Scott
@@MyGrowthRings It wouldn't be a bad idea to do so. If they let dust into the filter that means there is a leak. I didn't have any leaks on my tests on the bauer. I pulled the filter off the shop vac and cleaned it with the bauer and then put it back on the shop vac. Then cleaned up around the shop with it. I figured it would preform as well as my two dust deputies. I did clean up a bit and opened up the shop vac. Clean in there. Lots of dust in the bucket. I may make a small cart for my portable shop vac it has no wheels but it's powerful and can be used as a leaf blower. Or it may go on the CNC machine at this time I have a 25' pool hose on a dust deputy and a Fast Cap Reel cleaning up the saw dust from the CNC carvings.
I apricots you remake on the video, I just bought this same one from hf. The description on the box has been changed to remove confusion. My experience with hf is some times they have been opened and parts stolen. In directions after warnings there is now a note directing you to the parts list. Mine also came with large adapter on collectionalready assembled with clamp. Insuring correct assembly. When assembling mine I used washers with a lRger diameter to keep bolts and small washers from breaking through
and IF you cut the bottom out of the red can you could collect even more dust and separating the cover is easier than unsnapping the ret top...
Not sure how much you save by the time you get the adapters, extra bucket, roller base, etc. needed for the Bauer. The Home Depot unit is pretty much ready to go out of the box. I have one of the internet versions of the Bauer clone of the Dust Deputy, I'll probably go for mounting it on a bigger barrel, since I already own it. I might even try for a DIY version of the Oneida wall mounted unit.
I have the same assessment.
Very effective and thorough review thank you sir!
Thanks.
The bucket with the separator on it cut that bucket in half discard the bottom half and you don't have to worry about the suction problem this is my answer it's easy quick
Thanks for the tip, Joseph. Scott
About protecting yourself from breathing in the fine dust while working with wood: I recently contacted an older gentleman who was selling out all of his woodworking tools and accessories and purchased a couple things from him. His reason for choosing a new hobby? He had severely damaged his lungs, affecting his breathing capacity, and could no longer do woodworking. He told me the major cause of his medical condition was primarily the years of lathe turning, using the exotics that contain harmful substances that are breathed into the lungs. But, the fine dust from any wood is a risk to your lungs.
That’s a shame, Larry, and not an isolated incident. I think we all obsess about losing a finger, which is a rare occurrence, but something on the order of 10% of woodworkers develop repertory issues. Of course that isn’t entirely caused by dust, but it sure isn’t helped by it. Scott
Even with a vapor mask on, every time I turn Paduak, I wheeze for about 3 days after.
I'm glad I saw the follow-up video, now I can go grab it lol
Glad you caught that!
Those HF buckets use much thinner plastic than the HD or Lowe's do, which exacerbates the leaning and collapsing issues.
Not only the organic material in the airborne dust that we can potentially breath in, but also there's a whole lot of very nasty caustic chemicals that are used in the production of commercial lumber and sheet goods.
Excellent points, Ryan. Thanks for sharing. Scott
Well done! I missed the first video so I get to skip right to the improvements 😀
Glad you landed on this one! Scott
I have the Oneida separator connected to an easy empty 100% wood container and use a 12 gal shop vac and have 0 complaints. I have a table saw, router table and sliding miter saw all with $4 blast gates and 0 complaints. Most of my work is using mdf which is very fine dust. Some things are a good deal at harbor freight. Some things are not worth bringing home.
Yeah, I've brought some of those home too!
I always go to CZcams for the majority of my information for tricks and tips and although I’ve been wood working for quite sometime there’s always someone in the world that can make what I do a little easier and time is business and business is money lol thanks to CZcams I’ve double my production.
I do exactly the same thing. I got the oil changed in my bride's minivan and the technician couldn't figure out how to rest the oil life counter. While he searched his many manuals I pulled up a CZcams video that was in Spanish (which I don't know) and 30 seconds later I reset the counter. The guy came back to the car and was shocked that I got the answer so quickly. That has been repeated for me many times over and it has been fun to share what I know with others. Scott
Scott, I take back what I said. After seeing the far better performance of the Bauer Cyclone this go around. I'd say it maybe an improvement for you sister's basement if she doesn't have dust collection of some sort already for her own tools. Good video.
Thanks, Chad. Yeah, it just didn’t make sense that they would’ve brought some thing to market at work so poorly.
So my criticisms are that the connection to the bucket is too flimsy and if you use it in a mobile configuration, it will be the point of failure. It is also too tall to put in a stack. Other than tht, it works a little better than the Dustopper, so if you intend to use it in a stationary environment like under a bench or tool, it's probably good. If you're using a stack or side-by-side, the Dustopper is good enough and so much better designed. Dust Deputy is best, but cost more and it shares the problem of making too tall a stack if you go that direction. You'll always be pulling your stack over unless you zip-tie your hose down to toward the bottom of the stack.
Costly improvements to make the product servicable. There are othere products that have equal or beter results "out of the box"; though a bit more expensive, it wont require multiple trips for other materials, cutting, assembly.
I cut costs with a bunch of ChinesiumFreight stuff. But this dust separation product isn't for me. Thanks for SAVING me time and not wasting money.
Well said.
I didn't see the first vid. But, just have to say good job on here. Just bought a Bauer Shop Vac. And TBH was not impressed with lack of no bags and attachments. I regret buying it. For near the same cost could have bought a rigid or other with attachments. So like this Bauer product it stated hose sold separately was just another reason I would shy away. Also, it took so many extra steps just to make this work and it is flimsy on the bucket. I would rather just buy the other products you have shown.
Companies could win so much more often if THEY included the tips and tricks. Of course then people would say, "Why didn't they just put it together that way in the first place?"
Money. If you want a CHEAP tool, expect to do a bit of jerry rigging to turn it into an awesome tool. If companies just SAID that, I'd respect them a bit more. "You've got something decent in your hands, but with fifteen minutes of work, you could have an excellent product. If we did all of that ourselves, you'd be paying much more. You decide how much fifteen minutes of your time is worth."
I'd be willing to meet them halfway if they took that approach.
Well said.
Seems to me that the additional time and effort required to get the Bauer working properly makes the slightly more expensive Dustopper option a better deal. I don't expect much from HF stuff, although their quality has improved greatly in recent years. We'll see how recent supply chain issues affect that.
I totally agree with your conclusion. Scott
Some people abuse their tools and some are very hard on tools. I have used HF tools for decades and the only problems I ever had were a bar clamp that failed and a $10 hand grinder that died. They are great value if you treat your tools with respect.
@@tclem44 Yeah, I've had a drill control board burn up, and I had a drill press for about an hour that went back because of a wicked vibration. Some bar clamp mechanisms that failed, but otherwise not too bad.
I actually used similar ones and they do work. Similar designs claims to capture 99.99%. I have no way to verify that percentage but I have never needed to change my shop vacs filters (and the shop vac container) and they stay really clean as long as I empty out the bucket when it is 2/3 full.
I ended up with reinforcing with three around 1/2" thick plywood sheets. One below lid, one above lid, and nail/screw them to firm up the lid. Another one donut sheet up higher to contain the cyclone with vertical three vertical rectangular plywood sheets to hold up against the lid top sheet. The reason for all above is that the flimsy lid began to crack and leak after some decent uses, just by the weight of hose connected to the cyclone or worse by pulling on the hose by normoforce.
By the way, you can find same/similar (no hose no lid) things at about half price if you can wait for one month or so delivery.
Have fun.
Hey Peter. Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of inexpensive, no name cyclones available. Does yours have a dollar sign molded into it, as many of them do? That made me laugh when I first saw it. You sure had to put a lot of effort into it. I do that too, sometimes, and that can be part of the fun of woodworking, but other times, when I have more money than time, I opt for the “out-of-the-box” option. Glad to hear it worked out for you. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Mine does not have $ sign. That was the old design that claimed to have around 98%. There have been "upgrades" and the latest designs are similar (almost identical) to HF one (not sure who is copying who) and claim up to 99.99%. I have bought several ones (actually almost 10 of them since they are so "cheap") and the new upgrades do improve (really clean shop vac container). I was trying to make a multi cyclone ( similar to current bag free house vacuum) to use with the HF high CFM dust collector but I found a much simpler way.
Have fun and kill the boredom.
Safety, my dust burned down my shop. Keep it up, the fine is the worst.
I had a friend who experienced that and was actually blown through the sliding sheet metal doors of his shed my the explosion. I hope everyone came through your fire safely.
Lost almost everything, including my life.
Will move it up to feature on my channel. So easy to find.
@@FrugalFixerSpike Man, that’s awful.
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Oh my!
Scott if your 2 buckets are sticking together take your air compressor hose and blow air in between the seams of the 2 buckets and the upper bucket wil release.
Great idea. Not I just need to hope that my sister has a compressor.
Field Treasure Designs has a very nice cart design that mounts the collection bucket and cyclone above the shop vac . The biggest problem I see with the Bauer Cyclone is the cheap hose they provide. I would throw it away and use a quality hose but by then you have probably equaled the cost of an Onieda cyclone or Dust Deputy.
Yeah, that's pretty much the same conclusion I've drawn too. Scott
I have the same dolly and I even put one of my old brake rotors in it under the bucket to give it a real low center of gravity
Smart move!
I worked at Harbor Freight for 3 years, with an extensive background in most of the tools they sell, and knowledgeable on every tool they sell. If one takes the time to look through the pictures on the packaging of the product, you'll find 75% of them are incorrect pictures. Some pictures, if followed, are impossible to get the proper performance or assembly from the product, borderline dangerous. The same goes for much of the instruction and/or assembly manuals. Usually they're 10% on instructions or assembly, and 90% safety recommendations. No smoking, wear cut-proof gloves, goggles and a hazmat suit when using that I-beam level, etc.... cuz the Chinese care about us 🤫🤭🤗
Isn't that sweet? 🤣 Thanks for chiming in, Scott. I've been buying from HF for at least 25 years, going back to when I had to order them through an ad in a magazine. They've come a long way and I really do like the value that most of the Bauer tools represent, but it's maddening to be a guy who reads and trusts manufacturers' instructions and the information conflicts. I suppose that's what you get when products are reverse engendered. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings that's why 'real men' don't read instructions(insert smiley face here), although...occasionally, out of frustration, my wife will read them and tell me how to get something to work.
You are being very generous with 10%. If any!
I just went to Home Depot today and bought a Dustopper and it was 3995> new lower price.
That’s a great buy! No doubt they are feeling some pressure from the Bauer.
The 5 gallon bucket is way too small. I have a 16 gallon shopvac that died. Ill attach it to that.
Actually the dust deputy shows that setup- and it already has wheels and is hard to tip over. Its only 45$ on EBay for a dust deputy - that works. Of course you don't get the hose, but you can get shop vac hoses at lowes or home depot.
These are all temporary as I am about to move into my permanent shop where I’ll use my Shopsmith dust collectors. Thanks for chiming in. Scott
fyi - Home Depot and Oneida both have new "Pro" versions on their 2.5 inch bucket top cyclones.
A hose is a hose. Reverse the short one to the vaccuum
Regarding the Bill Pentz information, I made a comment earlier which was poorly phrased and rightfully filtered out of the public discourse. I'll try again.
I really like the information on Pentz provides. Unfortunately, his recommendations are out of reach for me in term of available time and dollars. Pentz summarizes his recommendations in the "Here is the Goal" section of the "Dust Collection Basic" page. I cannot afford to buy new tools with better dust collection, build hoods and shrouds, buy a cyclone, buy a 0.5 micron filter, and a 2hp or better motor with 12 inch impeller. Also, I don't live in a climate where I can vent outside.
I am actively looking for ways to improve the system I have now, but I refuse to feel badly that I cannot, right now, reach this ideal. Probably, the best I could do is something along the lines of an Oneida Mini Gorilla, but at $1400, its not in the cards right now.
I’m right there with you.
Get in the habit of always wearing the best dust mask you can afford when working with wood, paints, cleaner's etcetera. Especially when vacuuming up the shop floor. Those paper pleated filters are a great defense but you can't believe how much super fine dust gets by them and into our bodies. Thanks for sharing.
I have the dustopper, easy set gives you everything you need, no guessing need.
What would be better than the bucket caddie is a well built cabinet for both wet/dry and the 5 gal bucket. And no I have yet to do this simple thing… 😞
I totally agree. I need to build one too! Scott
to solve the hose to tool connectivity issue on my Hercules random orbital sander (oval dust port to round hose), I 3d printed a connector and glued it onto the sander since I don't ever use it without the vac.
Good solution.
I would put a round piece of plywood on the underside on the lid which will make it less likely to tilt and buckle.
Hey Danilo, yeah, that suggestion has bees made before. The Dustopper worked so much better right out of the box and has a much lower (less top-heavy) profile, so even though the Bauer could be made to work better, I don’t feel the need to put any more time into it. Thanks for adding to the conversation. Scott
Steps you took in this video may have helped a bit, but I think the main reason for previous less than optimal dust separation was due to the bucket felling over while the vacuum was running. That have happened to me once and as I'm running regular home vacuum with a dust bag the effect was that immediately the separator let most of dust and chips from the bucket to the outlet and the dust bag filled and clogged immediately. The immediate difference in suction and noise level from the vacuum helped me pinpoint the moment the dust bag was clogged.
You would think so but I actually did the test several times without the tip over and was still getting a ton of dust bypassing the cyclone. It wasn’t until I implemented the recommended changes that I got better performance.
@@MyGrowthRings OK, good to hear.
I have my doubts about cyclones. The only thing it separates is the large particles. The dangerous stuff still goes through the filter. Even then, the longer path the air takes through the cyclone adds a tremendous amount of friction, seriously slowing the air down, rendering it less effective. This is backed up by a comparison of test done by Wood nagazine a few years ago, where a single stage Powermatic dust collector pretty much waxed every cyclone except one, that only beat it in particle count because the Powermatic was using a non-hepa filter. Air movement and static pressure was far better on the single stage. If that single stage would of had a hepa filter, it would have beaten every single cyclone in the comparison.
How is a guy supposed to follow nonexistent instructions? It's hard to say you were at fault in the first video. None of us were born knowing any of this stuff.
I contemplated putting my dust collector in a garage storeroom adjacent to my shop until I realized that it would suck out all of my cooled or heated air in about 3 minutes. That is unacceptable in the Gulf Coast humidity and heat that's with us for 8 months out of the year. Not only would it get hot, but all of my cast iron tool surfaces would rust. The saying of "100° and 100% humidity" is a myth but real figures are more like 95° and 80% humidity, going to 80° and 92% or so at night. Shhhh- listen to your tools rust!
I'm in NC and know exactly what you mean. There's a lot to be said for placing the dust collector in an adjacent room with filtered ventilation between. Scott
This looks like a nightmare. I'll stick with Oneida. Made in the USA, too. Thanks for the video.
12/1/2022 It seems HF changed their lid a bit, it's thicker and added a fitting in the box.
That’s all good news. Thanks for reporting in, Jeff. Scott
FYI- this is a great example of foreign patent violation. The original is still being made by Oneida, a small Central New York company that has been making vacuum systems for years. The small cycloidal version is the victim of this theft, if you would like good information about the tested and proven original ( designed by and built by American workers) look them up. I am pretty sure that they are on the web. Do a valuable test between the original and the import knock off that sends our dollars overseas. Or not.😊
I did a bit of a dive into the patents, and though I'm not a patent attorney, it looks like they are in the clear on this one. I wish that weren't the case, though. Scot
Thank you for your videos, very helpful. The question I have, but haven't seen a answer to is, what are the inside and outside dimensions of both the intake and outtake ports on the harbor freight cyclone. Thank you for your response. Also, your presentation is informative, pleasant and intertaining.
FWIW Stick an empty 1 gal milk jug in 5 gal bucket then nest the next one on top, etc. The milk jug adds just enough space that they don't get jammed.
Crushing the milk jug?
@@MyGrowthRings No, with the lid screwed on. It just creates enough space to prevent the buckets from nesting tightly. Plus, it's a useful way to recycle.
Great step by step troubleshooting. In my opinion you had the hoses configured in the optimal fashion in the first video. The important thing is it does not leak. There is less dust in the vacuum, but in my opinion, the key benefit of a pre-separator is to maintain a cleaner filter longer so that air flow and suction is maintained longer. It was hard to tell from the footage how clean the filter started out. But it did look like the filter had a lot of dust in it.
It started out with about that same amount of fine dust. I suppose I should have started with a new filter, but I was just thrilled that the vacuum didn’t have 3 gallons of dust in it like last time.
It is also clear how to hook it up when you just look at the diagram on the back of the box.
Also that is a cool bucket dolly.
Yeah, the issues was there was conflicting information between the packaging and the instructions. Shouldn't have come as a surprise, but just stating the facts. Yeah, I have a couple of those bucket dollies and they work very well. Scott
In my opinion, the people who complained that you had the hoses hooked up in the wrong order are out to lunch. A hose is a hose and they are both the same diameter. No matter which one you put on the vacuum end and which one on the tool end is irrelevant. Air still moves through them at the same rate. For that system, I would DEFINITELY use the short floppy hose as the connector to the vacuum and have the main longer hose as your main "working" hose to attach tools and clean floor. If your test was so bad in the first video, I believe it is PARTLY due to the air leakage that you found and LARGELY due to the fact that it fell over part way through the test, which caused a huge amount of dust from inside the collector to bounce back and get sucked into the vacuum. Now that you're getting better results, try half filling it then kick it over again to see what happens. Basically, I say there was nothing wrong with what you did. It was just the tip over that spoiled it.
Thanks, that’s how I see it too. Scott
When will we be seeing your résumé, Thomas? Scott
a hose is a hose but all connector ends are not created equal.
Hi,
Great video and thanks for the follow-up! I just wanted to write in about your comment regarding Bill Pentz inspiring the Dust Deputy. This is highly unlikely. Oneida has been producing cyclone dust collection systems since the early '90's - way before Bill Pentz came around. I actually still have one of Oneida's first systems. I also believe Oneida was actually making a metal version of Dust Deputy way before any of the plastic models came around.
That claim is from Oneida’s own website.
@@MyGrowthRings Hi,
Thanks! Can you provide link to Oneida's claim? I am curious to read more.
Just checked and it was ClearVue, not Onedia.
I arched another video where the lid had segmented clips on the lid. He cut half of the segmented clips to make it easier to open.
Definitely have to have good seals everywhere - though many ways to do it - love the double bucket and dolly idea to help the tip!
My pleasure.
Put a wooden round plate on the bottom of the lid just wide enough to attatch the intake to the lid so it will be more sturdy.use the same 4 bolts or longer.
Yes, that's been recommended before. Too much work when the Dustopper works right out of the box. Scott
If you cut the bottom out of the red Bauer bucket you would be able to lift the whole assembly out of the blue bucket easily. Then just dump the blue bucket.
You wouldn't get a good seal that way.
I’m thinking that since the dolly has mounting holes that I’ll probably drill holes and mount the blue bucket. That should prevent the vacuum between them and should make the red bucket easy to remove. We’ll see. Thanks for thinking about this, Craig. Scott
One thing I notice right off when looking at the Bauer, the Dustopper and the Oneida is the Oneida is made un the US. That, for me is what makes me want the Oneida. I try to support US workers as much as possible. Thanks for the reviews. But he videos were very helpful. I do like the Dustopper as it seems to be less clunky. Now, if it were only made in the US
Thanks Suzette. Hey, the great news is that the Dustopper is made in the USA!
Some of us just put the cyclone part on steel barrels
That would certainly work better.
i bought it one day and took it back the next day
Nice job
Thanks!
Mine came with a seal and a nozzle. You received a defective package.
Mine was an early using, so perhaps they’ve added some items since mine was made. Mine included all the items in the parts breakdown. Scott
I added a 3/4" peice of plywood to the bottom of the bucket w/ bolts and silicon. and the bolts are carrage bolts that touch the floor and then a wire from them that goes to the top on the inside and hooks up to a metal tape that goes the full length of the vac pipes. This prevents a NASTY static Arc that will ruin your afternoon and could cause a serious Fire when you dump out the bucket of fine saw dust. I had a 4" blue Arc that paralized my thumb for a couple hours the first time I used a dust deputy and then emptied it! NOT FUN. Be careful. Static Electricty is very real and dangerous. (Don't fill a gas can on the tail gate or in the trunk or in the pickup bed either!!!!!!!!!!!) Only on the ground. We Must stay Grounded to the Good Earth!!! God Bless
Excellent.
Thanks.
i get that the jury rigged bauer and another vac to power it could probably cost maybe $125? and the shopsmith vac is what, 3x that? but from a function POV, you got these two things and their footprint to pull around, multiple hoses and buckets you need to empty all the time, and in the configuration you showed only one hose. the footprint size argument is in favor of the shopsmith i think, and its easy to use, as i frequently do, the two hose inputs. i am still on the shopsmith vac side of the discussion..
I totally agree with what you’re saying. I think the Shopsmith dust collector is a far better tool than this approach, but it just isn’t within the reach of everybody. I will eventually do some thing to mount the bucket above the vacuum so at least it’s not taking up as much space, but the little bucket dolly did serve as an immediate upgrade. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings makes sense
You need to put a small piece of plywood to reinforce the top
Yes, I've heard that. It really is "floppy"!
Which works better, your HF one or the Bauer? Like you, I have buckets from HF, HD and Lowes as well as from Sherwin-Williams.
Bauer is Harbor Freight. The best one is the Home Depot Dustopper.
I had to laugh when talking about which port goes to the vac when at 4:37 it clearly shows the diagram showing it.
Yes, yet other places, including the instructions showed it differently. My point was that they don’t know what they are doing when they knock off a product.
@@MyGrowthRings Chinese to English can get muddy. I guess that is why they have street signs with big red circles and a slash . The picture works in any language.
Watched both videos and maybe I didn't pay enough close attention but... so where did we end as far as DustStopper vs Bauer Cyclone?
Good question. I was happy that the Bauer was able to redeem itsself, but not until I invested more money and time in it. The Dustopper worked perfectly right out of the box and has a lower profile, so for my money I would opt for the Dustopper. Scott
I bought one and took it back because it was junk. Dust Deputy works much much better.
What if you connect to 3300 shopsmith dust collector would get more air flow and not filling the cloth top with dust?
I’m not sure, but I would never add a tiny separator like this to a DC3300.
@@MyGrowthRings Scott, is that simply because you don't want to have to empty the 5 gallon bucket frequently or is there a more technical reason? I have only used my Mark V/7 on small tasks so far, but liked having the Dustopper connected to my Ridgid vac as it worked well separating so far.
@@MyGrowthRings As i implied earlier, connecting the DC3300 to these separators does not work well; however, the DC3300 works great with a baffle separator such as laid out in the Rockwell plans. I built that into a two drawer separator under my router table. To that I added a ceiling mounted shop dust extractor and a window-mounted ventilation fan. My asthmatic wife is happy = happy life and I can keep on wood working! Crazy John
@@JohnRFlegg Rockwell plans? I'm not sure I get that reference. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Please see later and separate comment as i missed my entry. CJ
I have two Home Depot "Dustopper" brand cyclone separators. I'm very happy with them. The HF brand Bower separator was not available when I purchased the Dustoppers but I did consider the possibility of going with similarly designed brand. What I liked about the Dustopper was its low profile and low price. Considering how the Bower's instability, inferior hose design and its high price were an issue in the demonstration, I think I made a wise chose.
Thanks for sharing and I totally agree. Scott
From the looks of things I may invest in the Oneder for my shop. Will we see you use the Oneder, I mean Oneida?
I’m not sure. I don’t want to overplay the dust collector theme, but I’m also curious about it.
Nice video. Just a question. Is this Bauer ciclone better than the bucket lid ciclone from Home Depot? Thank you.
No, the Dustopper form Home Depot is much better. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Thank you!
@@Alex_science You bet.
A hepa filter and bag on the vacuum is a good idea to to protect the motor. Then exhaust the exit air to the outside. Tptools has a dust collector exhaust kit.
I want to use this for a blast cabinet and dint want any if the blast dust inside my garage at all.
I worked in the mining industry for many years. With huge cyclone setups. If you have any understanding at all about how a cyclone works, it would be obvious that the hose from vacuum goes in the top. Just saying
Yep, and it doesn’t even require a lifetime of experience if the manufacturer would just put proper instructions in the box.
I'd like to build something like they use in sawmills where they have a large pipe running the length of the shop. At each machine they have a t and a smaller hose to connect to the saws and the collector just constantly runs while they work
Those are sweet. I’ve worked on a few shops with those and they are great.
Several CZcamsrs show the construction or installation of while shop systems. I don't think any of them ring in under a hundred bucks.
The problem with that is total cost and space requirement. Lets say you have 4 tools, and each tool require a gate and a T connection plus the hose itself. Every piece adds resistance. With all that resistance, you need a stronger motor, and possibly a beefier circuit. And a huge collector on top of that and you have a great system, but it takes up a huge amount of space. And possibly cost several thousands of dollars too. But it is awesome once you have it. Back in school, we had a system like that when we learned woodworking.
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