So, I ranked ALL WARCRAFT 3 Ultimate abilities...
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- You guys and gals seemed to really like my Warcraft 3 Heroes tierlist. Today let's take a moment to rank those heroes' ultimate abilities! Animate dead, Volcano, Transmute, place your bets in the comment section, which abilities will be ranked S... or D?
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So, I ranked ALL WARCRAFT 3 Ultimate abilities... (Live on 18-April-2024)
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00:00:00 Intro
00:01:49 Animate Dead
00:06:43 Avatar
00:08:00 Big Bad Voodoo
00:09:45 Charm
00:12:01 Death and Decay
00:14:30 DOOM
00:17:07 Earthquake
00:20:24 Inferno
00:22:59 Locust Swarm
00:24:22 Phoenix
00:27:29 Mass Teleportation
00:29:42 Metamorphosis
00:32:49 Resurrection
00:35:28 Robo-Goblin
00:39:39 Avatar of Vengeance
00:42:00 Stampede
00:45:00 Starfall
00:46:53 Storm Earth & Fire
00:48:56 Tornado
00:51:58 Tranquility
00:54:54 Transmute
00:59:33 Volcano
01:04:01 Bladestorm
01:08:37 Reincarnation
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i am enjoying the new grubby tier-list era
The tier list arc
Best arc
I enjoy his thoughts on all these, too, but it would be nice, if he knew the stats of abilities better. He missed the armor and health of Avatar and the mana cost of Big Bad Voodoo. It's hard to take this list seriously, if he doesn't know all the data for his judgement.
It sort of reminds me of what happened with Lexiav, a somewhat well known Heroes of Might and Magic 3 player.
I adore these tier lists on my beloved old games. Really fills me with a sense of nostalgia, and it makes me want to play them again!
And I really hope that Grubby will go crazy with the tier lists to the level that Lexi did. Both WC3 and HoMM3 are very complex games, so there's certainly a possibility for that.
Heck, Grubby could even make tier lists about community created stuff. Like, how good some custom races, units, items and heroes would be, from campaigns like Curse of the Forsaken, Shadows of Hatred, Malfurion's Quest, etc, etc...
I'd also be really interested to hear about the potential power that DotA Allstars heroes would have within melee maps (of course, with them having a max level of 10, and the normal 3-3-3-1 skill point setup of basegame Warcraft heroes).
There's just a lot of all-around potential here. I don't care that tier lists are regarded as "low effort content", they're still so fricking fun!
Needs to do a 4v4 tier list.
POTM has to be S tier in 4v4.
No need to call us 2004 players out like that xD In our hearts we are still playing.
I'm in the game right now :)
Loved the campaign and all the scenario maps. Hated the pvp tho.
But 10 years after the fact I got into watching it. Plays completely differently than what I did back in the day 😅
Was playing it with my StarCraft mentality and always maxed out and built tons of turrets. Every game was a stalemate cause no one had units left and only towers 😆
Earthquake was actually a pretty good ability in that meta.
Players from 2004 who bought reforged and abandoned the game =\
we still do in real.
@@lad4830 as do i
3:52 youre exactly right man. i played this game when i was 10-13. im not here to learn the meta, its just fun to look back.
haha, 100% me :D
I wanted to write this down myself and then saw your comment, I still watch Grubby but I dont follow all the changes in the meta
I feel so called out
yeah, same here, now i´m 31. still enjoy wc3 content or sc bw from time to time.
Haven’t played in many years but came to see how good the infernal ultimate is because that’s all I used as a kid 😅
Hell yeah S tier
Death and Decay icon has a rose because it has roses in Warcraft 2 too, although is the "living things decaying" concept is clearer on the Warcraft 2 icon, it shows three withered roses.
I think it is also a cross reference to the Arthas cinematic
Careful Grubby, I’m gonna have to make a tier list of Grubby tier lists
Hahahahaahahahahahaahahahahaha!
@@aleksitjvladica. Ahah, someone said in the twitch comments (I think it is) on the hero tier list video that that list was D tier!
@@robertomariani626 He lives in the future.
@@aleksitjvladica.I’m gonna make a tier list of tier lists of grubby tier lists.
Warcraft 3, I used to play this so much growing up. I didn't even know it still had an active community
I always loved the art on the ability icons, I'm happy someone brought it up! Between these and the ability icons of early wow, they nailed it.
blizzard games made me really appreciate good texture work and UI designs.
@@HellecticMojo it's strange because the newer icons in wow just dont do it for me. They're almost too bright and glossy or something, I'm not sure. Subtle but pleasant art design by early blizzard
@@montanac223344 it's far more saturated. The primary colors got used up so things needed to get brighter and more specific, which in turn makes it less universal
22:32
OOOFF
The moment you mentioned Westwood Studios, I legitimately had a quick surge of nostalgia then immediately followed by a strong gut punch and groin kick. That jab at them kinda hurt ngl
yep, as a C&C fan that hurt a lot.
Dreadlord got Inferno about the early second half of beta (sometime in 2001). Dreadlord used to have the ultimate "Dark Summoning" which was the opposite of mass teleport: it would summon allied units to the dreadlord. It was exactly like the starcraft arbiter's recall ability.
Thanks. I was trying to remember since I thought the dreadlord used to have something else in beta.
You are right I remembered using that spell back when I was still a child, kinda cool one imo. XD
Oh so thats why theres two versions of Mass Teleport in the editor. I thought it was just a carry over from Starcraft 1.
"you can just turn 360 degrees"
you got it
Hee Hee
he meant 720 degrees obviously
Doom Guard summoned by Pit Lord CANNOT be dispelled. Only the one summoned by the loot item is dispellable. Also the unit being doomed CANNOT get onto a zeppelin
It can get on zeppelin, but only if the unit doomed gets tornado'd while dtanding exactly under a zeppelin
@@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940 sounds like an overlooked bug
Pit Lord lovers around the world, including me, thank you for your correction
Just had this part of video, and wanted to say "what? doomguard can be just dispelled???" glad it is not
All 7 pit lord enjoyers are rejoicing.
GRUBBY PLEASE. This kind of content brings me tranquility irl. I love hearing you theorycraft. Please, continue with the tierlists. Rank units. Rank items. Rank races. Thanks.
Animate dead was changed twice. At first they were normal, then they became invincible, then they became vulnerable again
Makes more sense for them to be attackable tbh. Why would animated corpses be invincible lorewise?
something like "the spell holds them together for the duration, no matter the damage"
@@catalyst772
If i recall, the original logic was that the units are invincible at the expense of having timed life, but people ended up using the spell for extremely cheeky plays that abused the invulnerability so now the raised units are vulnerable, but now Animate Dead's main appeal is its versatility (raising boss creeps and useful enemy spellcasters).
@@joshuakim5240 Yeah i think i can see the logic, Animate Dead is different kind of necromancy that it makes attacking resurrected useless because they keep getting resurrected in logic. Maybe Blizzard can buff it to give them higher HP regen and/or stats instead ??
@@joshuakim5240 Incorrect. Animated units lost invulnerability not because it was good, but because it was bad. You don't want temporary units to be invincible because they can't soak up damage for your permanent units.
Me, never playing a single game of Warcraft: yes, this list is what I need in life
u should play Frozen. its good
Advise a w3 campaign, a good one time adventure, you can even duo it with a friend
@@Wellshem I love one time adventures!!
you wasted your life, you have to play it now! 😄
This list reminds me of some of the cool old custom maps for WC3 that had hero builder stuffs where one could pick any skills they'd like before the match started. I think the main ones were usually called "angel arena" or other variations of "arena" etc. Bash, evasion, crit strike were usually top picks, those maps almost always had tons of stat boosting from items or insane exp gain. Imagine thousands of points of each stat. They ended up looking like DBZ fights not too long after the matches started. XD
One thing about resurrection: it allows humans to go above the 100 food cap. Be at 100, kill 6 of your knights, queue up 24 more food worth of units, resurrect the knights. Now, you're going to be charging into a battle with 124 food of army. Considering that players might have 20 food of workers, you're talking about 104 food vs. 80 food worth of units. That is...*substantial*. Granted, this is more an application in FFA when resources run high, but considering FFA is 1v1v1v1...
And as for mass teleport, again, absolute S tier in FFA--perhaps S+ tier in FFA...you mass a bunch of towers, and then you just STOP engaging the opponent in handshake battles--you JUST mass teleport them, and force them to either constantly burn 350 gold town portals (not sustainable), or chase you into a bunch of towers (not advisable).
Though in 1v1, it's more the case that if you only have a couple of bases and much more limited resources, your opponent can just smash *you* in the face instead.
A favorite play of mine back in the day was to slip in an Invisible-casted unit into the enemy base, mass teleport my army in to destroy all the infrastructure, then use the ridiculously short cooldown to just mass teleport out once the opponent's army comes back.
What would I want for my birthday?
I think ressurection from Paladin is probably hard to pass. To see my grandma again :3. But I guess it only works on fresh corpses...
yeah,
you could check if it still works at her graveyard but beware of the total spawns.
i've choked on my beer reading this
What I like about Tornado is that it sort of shows how channeled spells should have worked, every channeled spell should let you control the spell while your hero is occupied. Especially with Big Bad Voodoo... maybe you could designate a 'dancer' other than the Shadow Hunter (with whom it starts) that is 'vulnerable' and if it is killed the spell ends, so you micro the 'dancer' (de)buff/designation around to keep it going.
Basically enable a mini-game for channeling heroes.
as a person who hates SC2's disruptors, NO.
@@HellecticMojo I quit SC2 to play Supreme Commander (FAF) until AoE4 came out and I am definitely not defending SC2 units.
I would ask you to consider that SC2 showed the gaming world that splash damage easily dominates the meta and they didn't care. HotS and LotV unit design are a product of not addressing the real issue before you add new units. This is unlike the creators of WC3 who capped splash damage, yeah...
Disruptors are simply an attempt to add unit diversity without nerfing splash as a whole.
11:00 remeber an insane game, from Moon vs Tod.
Moon picked Dark Ranger as first and only hero and has stolen a worker from Tod, in the end he destroyed him with bears, dryads, blood and arch mage. That was so sick to watch.
I really felt sorry for Tod, but Moons Gameplay was so good.
This came out as I was watching your hero tier list. Also the first time I ever watched you. I think Giant Grant Games talked about you. Love
13:55 That was the only preparation I did for this video, aside from dedicating my whole life to Warcraft 3, thanks for the laugh man, awesome video.
These videos are great quality - thanks for all the information
Love these! Unit tier list next!
The best birthday gift is the original War 3 TFT disk (as opposed to reforged, so one could still play a game that was actually good) with Grubby's autograph. Well, the best if Maserati is off the table.
Maserati signed by grubby
still got mine
Starfall one of the most iconic ult from WC3, as a player who played mostly 2v2 or 3v3 this ability can win you a game (or lose if you are against PotM)
I see starfall I run, always!
Grubby in all honesty I've always hated tier list type content, but your stuff is just so enjoyable I might have to reconsider my approach. Cheers man!
Tier lists are just an excuse to talk about all the heroes and abilities. It's not really about what tier they are. Fun format
Animated units were originally killable , the neutral hostile version of Animate Dead stayed the same as the original all these years.
Yes I played this game back on 2004 and youtube randomly recommended me this videos lol
13:50 my sides LOL. Out of nowhere YT recommend, I remember watching you and Moon constantly back in the mid 2000s, I always tuned into your matches even though I was way more into SCBW at the time. Good to see you still doing well and making content!
Its really funny seeing your reasoning and explaination on these lol
My 2 personal strongest ultimates are for sure Starfall and Volcano. I never played this game at a super highly competitive level though. But from the competitive I did play a million years ago and against friends starfall and volcano were so insane if you rushed the base aggressively.
Is this a crazy thought? What if all WC3 heros had an option of 4 ults to choose from. Either the ult that we all know and love that already exists or a 4th and ultimate level of one of their 3 existing abilities, once the choice is made it is perminant and of course the player can only choose to make a 4th level of the ult that they already chose it to be level 3 when their hero turned level 5. So for example with far seer if you decided to go level 3 wolves at level 5 hero, when your hero turns level 6, you could choose level 4 wolves that will have say 750 HP each 90 sec life span, 30-35 attack 400 movement speed (if this is chosen it cannot be undone with any item and earthquake cannot be chosen). Of course if the player decided to go level 3 chain lightning they would then have the choice to go level 4 with similar devistating ulttimate increases. I think this would add a cool eliment to the game.
i am enjoying those tier lists as much as your editor seems to enjoy them, big up to him, good work
thanks a lot! :D
Got straight up called out, used to play ladder for hours every day back in the 2000s... no idea why this video was suggested, but this was one hell of a nostalgia hit!
The commentary on Inferno cracked me up too :D
just got your videos in my recommended, makes me want to get into wc3 again. good videos man
Nice video. I think you did everything right. Well thought out.
Good stuff , keep up the good work good sir , also the editor of the video ❤
Tornado having such a high mana cost directly negates the usefullness of mana shield, it's the only ability I've seen you use where it just felt straight up disappointing. Voodoo being a close second because like you said before, it basically tells the opponent what decision they need to immdiately make.
Ideas for more Tier Lists: Items, Units, Maps, Creep Camps
Haven't played Warcraft 3 for years, since my "friend" borrowed out my TFT copy to someone else and I never got it back. Used to be one of my favourite games back then, I played a lot of user settings maps, normal matches intimidated me, haha. But I love the algorhythm recommending your videos, I remember you playing SC2 back in the day, so it's nice to see you again! Also, I'd love Mass Teleport/Town Portal for birthday. Commuting sucks!
this is truly enjoyable content, thank you for your effort
I do a longer pause by watching ur videos on yt and now i awake for w3 and watching ur content again. Good to know some new changes . Thx for this great list.
Tier lists are quite fun. Both Grubby and Wanderbraun, the Warcraft 3 content creators I watch, are doing warcraft tier lists, so I'd like to compare them soon. Thank you for making such videos, Grubby ❤
Hi Grubby, I'm the exact type of person you mentioned early in the video - just got back to Warcraft 3 after almost 20 years 😂 thank to your vids I find it much easier to tune up to all these changes. I'm super excited that the game lives on and people like you make so much fantastic content about it. Thank you! 🙏
Wow, making this tierlist right before a balance update is truly "heroic" of you ^-^
Volcano turned F tier
Huge advantage of traquility are that you can use it ouside of battle and even if you do not have army you do have heroes in most cases to heal. Both charm and transmute are really often useless in late game cause you hit this lvl6 at moment that both armies had died and there is just tripple heroes from both sides left with no gold.
3:20 "Tip the tide" Tip the scale or turn the tide, but I kind of like the mix
Thx
@@GrubbyTalks Love you grubs
@@dodde216gay
Love these ranking videos.
Good explanation!!
I found you recently with your reaction to Still Here, and I gotta say, I'm loving your content man. You have a great personality and sense of humor, and you've got jokes. Also, you cover a lot of stuff I'm into. New sub for sure.
Watched the whole video and actually absorbed the vast majority of it. And that's extremely rare for me with a video this long.
Liked and subbed simply for that Death and Decay philosophical waxing.
oooh what a treat thanks !
Those tier lists are insane! Keep them coming!
I think tierlists themselves are usually low tier content, but having some actual gameplay in the backround makes it a lot nicer.
14:10 love the music transition when Grubby starts explaining why Death and Decay is a rose. Made me laugh
3:50 we still have an old 1.29 warcraft client we use for lan play so this is all literally just "huh this is interesting, so this is what it does now" for me. love it all the same though
As a 2004 player who has never played competitively and been out of the game since 2008 or so... I tried making a tierlist before watching the video, and got a surprising amount of answers similar to this video. I don't know if I underestimated/overestimated some abilities, or the nerfs and buffs over the years have changed the skills that much, but you put some skills I didn't use at all in a high tier, and some that I always used in a low tier. Here's the list:
S - Inferno
A - Avatar, Voodoo, Death and Decay, Phoenix, Teleport, Metamorphosis, Ressurection, Bladestorm, Reincarnation
B - Doom, Swarm, Robo-Goblin, Avatar, Stampete, Tranquility
C - Animate dead, Charm, Starfall, Transmute, Volcano
D - Earthquake, StormEarthFire, Tornado
Just recently discovered this channel. Cant wait for unit, maps tier list.
3:52 =Yup, thats me right there. and yes i dint know they changed that spell. thanks for the info, but blizzard will never see 1 dime out of me ever again. most likely il download pirate version of the old game and play it someday when the nostalgia kicks in.
Grubbys tier lists are great !
3:56 this is me with your channel ingeneral. I've not touch warcraft since 2010 (dota 1 since 2012) and I watch your content just because 'hummm this is interesting'
I like that you specifically explain the meaning of each tier, instead of some who would do things aporoximatively.
I would say Big Bad Voodoo is the D tier ultimate. It's making the unit you want to protect the most into a target. It requires you to position extremely well to get even an ounce of use out of it, as your opponent can either just move away or interrupt the Shadow Hunter instantly without committing anything (Starfall will at least get a bit of damage in).
The only reason you never feel how bad it really is, is because you're almost always in a winning position when your secondary hero gets his ultimate, and so you can usually afford to pick it. But if you are Shadow Hunter first/solo, it legitimately is better to just get another point in Serpent Ward/Healing Wave. Even a level 1 Healing Wave has more impact than an instantly interrupted Big Bad Voodoo.
If Orc heroes weren't so strong and buffing the Shadow Hunter by any metric would mean making them even stronger, then I would give Big Bad Voodoo the Tranquility treatment and just slash the Mana Cost and Cooldown to 125/60 from 200/180. But the Shadow Hunter suffers from having all good skills, where getting a level +7 Shadow Hunter actually makes a huge difference while other heroes all get an irrelevant skill (like what's the substantial difference between a level 10 Lich with Dark Ritual and a level 6 Lich with a Mana Potion).
"That was actually the only preparation I did for making this video, besides dedicating my whole life to Warcraft 3"
😂😂😂
came for the commentary on a game that's old enough to play taxes
stayed for the comedy that has no right being this good
In the last video you mentioned a game where you used pitlord on grandfinals by accident and then the opponent used alchemist. I couldn't find that match online yet, but finding it would be a nice birthday gift :D
i make a lot of custom solo maps for fun and now i want to make a hero that uses only ults but ill probably make them available at level 1 and have 2 ranks each, then just give him a couple nice passives like crit/evasion. after this im thinking charm, meta, inferno, transmute. id try having both meta and se&f but i need to make sure it wont crash the game. thanks for this list Grubby.
Very accurate - I used to play in the early 2000s. Haven't played since, but still enjoy these videos. It's actually making me consider playing again.
Which version should I get? The original, or Reforged?
Reforged is the only one you can get as of now. Just disable the new graphics in the menu if you don't like them (which is true for most people).
That's interesting, that's fun.
I used to love this game!
Maybe I still do..
Big Bad Voo Doos icon looks so brand new seeing it up close with detail never knew it was suppose to be skull with spears.
1:39 AGREED. Simple, clean, nostalgic af :>
I got recommended hero tier list video. I played a little bit of w3 in 2010ish. I reinstalled it after that video 😅
Having a blast
I was waiting for this!
My suggested top 5 prior to seeing your take. Charm, mass teleport, locus swarm, avatar of vengeance, transmute
love this tier list. :D
I',m so happy about these tier lists
This was the one I was waiting for!!!!
Since you asked Grubby, I always wanted to go back to playing Wc3. I played it before when I was around 10, but it was just pirated by the cafe lmao, and it's my birthday on the 20s next month. An official copy would be awesome. ❤
Indeed, the classic art is amazing. I love it.
oh man you should have showed that clip when you got the doomguard in the tourney. misclicked that hero and at the end in a desperate battle wounded casted the doomguard stomp surrounded his hero to finish the game. One of the best tourney games i've ever seen!!!
Lich Rose - links to Arthas and the rose petal rain from the cinematic.
Damn!! he is called
I started to play HotS again after some time and these warcraft 3 videos started to pop out somehow :D
i am a ancient warcraft 3 gamer and i'm shocked by the new animate dead ult xD i don't know how it s possible that your example works this well xD
i remember loving using earthquake on my friend's base full of static defense. almost 20 years ago
Those fucking icons are beyond iconic... you can see many if not all too on WoW
Also, love how the MK yells "For Khaz Modan!" when casting Avatar
Resurrection's problem is that it's (essentially) a heal based on number of dead units. You're always going to compare it to how much healing he could do otherwise. IMO the best way to counter this is to A. Reduce the mana cost, cooldown, and # of units it rezzes (probably down to 3, so reduce mana by half and cooldown appropriately) or give it a passive that works within its aura range. (I think immunity to guaranteed-kill effects or charms would be pretty good.)
I was thinking that Rez could have charges (2-3) where instant-kill/charm effects are negated while there's a charge, or he can Rez a dead unit while there is a charge.
When I was 12 years old, my favorite birthday present would be Metamorphosis. Now it's Mass Teleportation, because ughh airlines amirite?
That Westwood joke was top tier Grubby, well played.
The icon graphics are truly awesome and still make the game's interface look great to this day.
Shoutout to your shoutout to the icons. For me, art direction makes a good 75% of appeal of Warcraft games, and the icons are its essense. I literally love them and unironically think bringing those to WoW was a major factor contributing to its success.
I won so many games using Starfall back when the game first released. Make a bunch of archers for trueshot aura, and then shadowmeld your army on the path the enemy takes to attack you, then come out of meld and nuke the army when they're right on top of you.
This ultimate talk made me understand another advantage of D&D spell slots. I always thought it was only about avoiding lots of calculations (mana bar) but it also has the advantage that if you use a higher level spell slot for a low level spell you do so very conciously. It makes me think that ultimates maybe should not cost mana at all and instead be regulated via all other factors like cooldown, duration and power. this way it could always mean something reaching that sweet level 6.
4:20 thats me. ;)
grew up with starcraft broodwar and wc3 enjoyed to play the game and watch pros ofc and one of them was Grubby.
So here i am enjoying some old memorys.
edit: As a now dh player i enjoyed the metamorphus comments a lot. Counterplay: Leave the game and save some time or make him use it where you can run away for 45secs. :D
What I want for my birthday is another long form tier list!
I think I played wc3 once and never finished the campaign, I find this video highly entertaining!
Crazy how Grubby has footage on every ult
I always thought Tinker was a Strength hero. Thanks I learned something new !
Goblin in a mech suit, funny thought that it’s strength instead of int.
I used to play when the game came out but was never aware oif the pro scene. But I like watching this videos anyway. I ocasionaly play FFA with computers every now and then, and that may be the reason this channel got suggested. Really nice to have some extra info even tho I only play against AI
What i would really like to see, if *you* would like to see any significant changes to hero ultimates to make them a safe pick for level 6. For example (coming from playing alot Diablo 3 in the past) i played the Witchdoctor alot and he has an ability that also is called "Big bad Voodoo", its a small stack of fetishes that buffs the player depending on the rune he has chosen, aslong he´s in the circle. ATK/Movement speed, Mana/healthregen, Armor etc.
I could imagine something similar for the Shadowhunter, as the Witchdoctors in WC3 do actually have their totems; Healing and Stun. So why not give the Shadowhunter an actual Voodoo Totem who does similar things as in D3? Or maybe it hexes 3 random enemy Units over 6 second duration.
Also maybe the Community might have good ideas, how some Ultimate Abilitys can be revamped and be "more useful"
Cheers and thanks for the Video =)
i never played wc3 meele maps vs players online but i always watch yo videos and i played the original wc3 roc when it came out
With good positioning and excellent protection, I would be happy to carry Moon Priestess' Shower of Falling Stars. And as a second option, just to mention that I like the Arcane powers, the Archmage's Mass Teleportation
the irony where grubby throws on hat of a life or spiritual coach talks about the deep rose analogy. Then he proceeds to talk about doom next. Nice work grubby. I love your content for the unintended LoL.
I havent played warcraft 3 since wow released. This list is nice and nostalgic.