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It's their new way of screwing FreedomTubers...
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CZcams is now a speech gulag.
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Chewing gum on the mic is asshole tier for sure
Came here to say the same. Makes it really hard to listen to
Smacking that gum right in that mic lol.
Yeah man, Im glad I'm not the only one that was cringing at that.
I had to mute the video… zero self awareness
Are you kidding me with the gum!!
Agree, basically lets the viewer know the IQ level going on here. Not suffering through anymore of this shit.
Lol, i like how bear creek gets its own tier
Bushmaster’s roll mark being so cool puts it in B tier.
Aero went down right before covid and never resurfaced unfortunately
1 word. Washington
@@twistofcain_666 couldve sworn trump lost POTUS after only 6 months of covid, compared to the 2 years of covid under biden
@@twistofcain_666nerd
@@twistofcain_666 Biden isn’t gonna fuck you bro, Trump has nothing to do with this.
@@twistofcain_666are you dumb
BCM is my benchmark. It’s right where $, quality and performance all fall into line. For each $1 spent above the price of a BCM you might get $0.25 increase in quality and/or performance. IMHO
I bought a triarc as a post deployment gift to myself right before the events of 2020. It was pricey ($2200) Great gun though. Bought a BCM more recently as my second AR. Gotta say, I like the BCM better and it was maybe $1100 after I took advantage of a sale. The law of diminishing returns is very real in the world of ARs
They are excellent, but their barrels are a step down from DD. Only reason I bought a DD agter I had a bcm was for their barrel, got the ddm4v7 lw and it's noticeably more accurate than the BCM barrel in my recce 16 kmr-a
100% agree. Best I could get out of my BCM was 1.30” MOA off a very solid bench setup. And a PA GLX LPVO optic. It’s a thin barrel and hates suppressor heat also. Therefore, to make the rifle perfect (to me) the barrel will get swapped to something heavier.
@@xxdizannyxxI appreciate you purchasing the best equipment you can, there’s just nothing to actually back up the claim that DD barrels are better. No statistics, no objective metrics to go off of. Just anecdotally fallacious testimonials. At the end of the day, both companies are battle proven and their barrels will last at least 15k-20k rounds before you start to see diminished accuracy
@@scott2228I’m guessing you have the enhanced light weight barrel. BCM doesn’t recommend running a suppressor through those. The MK2 with the standard BFH barrel runs like a dream suppressed, but that’s what it’s designed for
Mil-spec triggers in a $2000 rifle immediately drags it down a tier. *Cough* *Cough* FN, DD, *cough* *cough*.
BRO!! THE GD CHEWING GUM!
Sorry I was sick.
I’ve had a bit too much to drink and man that guy’s comment about the free BCM BCG has me DYING LMFAO I can’t wait to see the rest of this
geissele and larue above LMT, Noveske, LWRC and HK is insane🤣
I do feel bad about LWRC
That would actually require LMT/Noveske/LWRC/HK owners to fire more than 50 rounds through them to get data lmfao. I think we accept they are good because it’s been used by the military community to some degree, which is its own fallacy. I’ve seen plenty of end users complain about LMT QC and even seen a Noveske bolt catastrophic failure. Are these lemons or do they make the brands a no go? It seems to be a lot of anecdotes and generalizations
LMT has PSA levels of QC. I'd even dare say, PSA has better QC than LMT as of late. It's sad.
HK is too busy getting high off their own farts to provide a good value.
LMT doesn't pay its workers much and is handicapped by location.
anybody paying $2k for a 5.5" 5.56 deserves to part with their money
hey....
lol
Sadly, I have just over $2K in a Radian Model 1, and it's the most accurate, softest shooting, tight-fitting AR-15 that I have ever shot. Otherwise, there are options that are less expensive.
Well, you overpaid for meme tier guns, but if you are happy..@@Super61Blackhawk
Good firearms are not for the poors sorry
I bought an Aero upper and had buyers remorse when I received it due to the barrel not having a drilled gas port (bolt-action). They did fix it, and now I enjoy it quite a bit, but you shouldn't receive a barrel with no gas port. Thankfully I knew about their BCG issues so I had a Microbest at the ready.
that's a feature!
think about the fact that someone installed the gas block onto the barrel and didnt notice the missing gas port! how do they even make sure they are lined up correctly.....
@@FocusTripp hey man just bought a lwrc di how could you tell it is over gassed by more recoil or …….
Was it a ballistic advantage barrel? Almost all aero stuff uses BA barrels. I use faxon.
@@volkskrieg8735 faxon isnt any better, they OVER drill their gas ports. I prefer ballistic advantage for a budget build. never had an issue with BA
I had issues with an Aero upper. I contacted customer service, sent videos of the issue and.... they ghosted me. But according to the comments section, it was a me problem obviously ;)
Yikes haha, lots of simps for lots of companies in here.
@FocusTripp it's part of the deal I guess. Good stream 👍
@@MagicPrepper Thanks!
The one lower I received that was blemmed while paying for a non blem was immediately RMA’d…I guess your mileage may vary….if you didn’t use
Their support center that will
Slow things down
Where would you rank Blackout Defense? Really like my DTL, trigger seems elite as well.
Sorry I missed the live stream. No apologies necessary for lil dude bro. He was fine. Parenting is a privilege.
Thanks, agreed.
Great vid my fellow German brethren . I own a BCM, Daniel Defense, FN, LWRC and PWS. Def A-tier value!
All that matters is the Mass Effect references.
Your thumb nail almost had me about to loose my shit over LWRC..LOL..also I'd rather have over gas then a rifle that cant shoot through tough elements. But that's me
Yeah, that was the bait.
@@FocusTripp you're a slippery one..lol
Would love to see you do a review of an Adams arms piston upper
I was under the impression the bad QC was a few years ago. Now the QC is back
Do you have any opinions on Phase 5 weapon systems? I like the look of the uppers at a good price.
Non.
Bear creek " Trash Can " 😂
Is there a way to donate to this channel. I’d like to buy you a coffee ☕️. (As long as its not black rifle company)
I got a psa upper during covid and have about a thousand rounds through it over the past 4 years with no issues. I would gladly buy another upper from them again, and if I have to give it a look over I’ll chalk it up to a learning experience. I like to tinker. I have heard the horror stories of their qc though, so I like to think I’m not walking into it blind.
That said, I also wouldn’t mind getting an upper from BCM or focus.
BCM, PWS, ADM, Geissele, Centurion - would all be good options for complete uppers.
@@DrunkDrynastysame, I am like a jealous ex buying PSA products. My first was a bomb proof rifle I beat to death and was consistently impressed with. Also the worst gun I own (ks47) is a PSA and i am still butt hurt about it.
The problem isn’t that low quality brands can’t make good guns, it’s that they can’t make them consistent enough to warrant buying their brand
I wonder how Cobalt Kinetics rates on your list?
I need more experience, but I would imagine high tier.
Wait, where can you get Geissele rifles for $1200?
Describing the fact that you've shot a lot of customers DD rifles as "HAD TO" shoot it...rofl
I said what I said!
I jumped in half way, but did hear about the great deal on the Geissele Automatics Super Duty rifle for $1,200. Where can I find a deal like that?
It was on Geissele's website I believe. It's a temporary sale, they do 3-4 a year I think.
@@FocusTripp Thanks - Super Duty MOD1 Rifle, 16", 5.56MM-Black is back up $1,995. I’ll just wait till they have another sale.
Just wait for any holiday.
@Quality_Guru black Friday and cyber Monday
Im in SC. Psa or any ffl out of state can't sell to you but if it's legal in your state they can ship it to your ffl in your state.
The last post John Noveske made was about how every mass shooter has been on some form of prescription antidepressant. Noveske quality used to be damn near S+ and after he passed it has seemed to slip down pretty hard. The infidel was the first 13.7 rifle I saw over a decade ago, before every other company went there. I wouldn’t pay $400 plus ever again since Johns passing. My geissele’s and bcm rifles are still my favorites. I’ve had every worth while brand on this list minus the lower end ones and KAC. First was old school bushmaster over 20 years ago but back then it was pretty much just colt and bushy. I’ve never experienced the DI LWRC but there IC SPR in 14.7”. That’s was when LWRC went after Sig lol. Funny to see how much has changed in this market
I took my PSA to the range and shot the same targets as a guy that had a Knights and I was surprised to see that they both did the same thing
No they don't. KAC runs lol
This is bait
@@VoFALT Well my PSA must run too because I had absolutely no malfunctions and could shoot steel case and ever grain. Can't say the same about the Knights
@@SD1Airsoft not really. If your BCG is good what are we really talking about here lol. We weren't going full auto. And the guy said wow PSA has really stepped it up 😒 Dude
Where is PWS & Sionics?
And SOLGW
PWS was in A tier.
We added them at the end.
How about silencer co?
@@Black_Heart_Defensethey only make silencers and lowers
Was the geissele rifle sale in their own web site? Thats a killer deal. Thank you.
Yes it was.
Did you end up getting delton in there ??
Hopefully you get a Type-A and Blackout Defense on the channel in addition to Noveske and Radian. Noveske and Radian are definitely A+ tier. PWS and VSeven definitely need to be on your next list.
Noveske soon, I am not a huge fan of Type A.
Radian is definitely S-tier. No comparison.
@@FocusTripp can you elaborate? I am considering a Type A soon but can't seem to find an honest thorough review. Thanks
Very expensive, and has been caught using trash tier lowers parts in their guns and Anderson Buffers. @@curtbassett3254
I don't even think you can realistically put hk on for the 416/417 you'd have to look at the mr556 since that's all that's offered to the civilian market lol
What you prefer more FN or BCM?
Thinking of getting one of your mk3’s, where would you place them on this list?
C+ basic parts assembled correctly.
I’m running out of places to hide ARs in the house. Wife thinks I have only 5. Owe how wrong she is. lol.
😂
Fairly often what you’ll see with people trying to “save money by building themselves” is that, with all the extra money people spend on upgrading their mid tier rifles, they could have just saved that money up, gotten something significantly better straight from the factory, and have a lil money left over
I would very strongly disagree if the builder is competent. Instead of "upgrading", simply build from good parts from the start and the potential for a better kit is there. The determining factor is the builder. If the builder can competently source good parts, and can follow basic build procedures; then the possibility for building a good kit AND saving money is very possible.
The truth is that most that build their own rifles make mistakes, or don't put in the effort to find good parts for sale. On top of that, many are unwilling or unable to improve. I wouldn't let those people be the standard of comparison though. It hardly represents the capabilities of those in the gunsmithing trade.
@@TheColosiss oh yeh sorry, I realized I left out a couple words in my original comment that make it unclear what I'm talking about. Yeh I'm specifically talking doubling up the number of parts you get instead of just building with a vision and high level criteria in the beginning.
If you are patient and wait for opportunities to get the parts you want at a good price, and you get it all together at once, then yeah you can save significant money
I def agree with the Geissele placement. They are nice. And getting their triggers and reliability enhanced BCGs is huge value added. Most of us put them in our rifles that we buy from anyone else lol. I’d bet 80% of the guys posting here have Geissele triggers in their guns..or wish they did.🤓
I love Geissele and the REBCG is fantastic. I had one in a custom 13.9 that blew up due to an over pressured round from PMC and not only did Geissele send me a brand new REBCG free of charge despite it not being their fault but also were very responsive and sent me a bunch of swag.
Would love to see an Adams arms piston upper review.
We need a video about why you don’t like Type A.
:)
I think Geissele gets so much hate because of bill’s weirdness, and how pricy the ssa is. I think Geissele was well placed.
On a side note how often do you see full rifles from companies like KAC, LWRC, Larue, or Radian? I hear about them a lot online but I don’t think I’ve seen a single one in person. I’m slightly convinced that they only exist online for people to argue about on ig.
I haven only ever seen a few in person. But yeah, Bill is a strange man.
Do you ship uppers your home state of WA?
do I ship piece of metal to WA? yes.
@@FocusTripp thank you for being cool and supporting out 2A rights. PSA and a lot of other company’s flat out won’t anymore because of the “ban”, even if you state it’s for repairs.
What's your opinion on KAK sandcutter ish BCG?
decent for the money.
Lol the thumbnail got me. I clicked on this video prepared for war in the comments 😂
No Midwest industries?
Please get your hands on unbranded AR ... they also have an carbon(polymer) lower
...
Curious where rock river fall into?
anderson sport upper is the best fitting upper ive tried its my fave, not billet and forged 7075 but is exactly an a2 upper but without forward assist done with billet after handguard fit problems
Gotta slot JP in. Remember they don't just make gamer rifles. They are responsible for some of the highest end/most accurate large frame ARs, made waves in the SASS program with the RSASS (remington submitted their rifle)/ They have super high quality barrels, thermofit barrel extensions, great triggers, the list goes on. Easy A+
Looks like it was a fun one. Thanks for the share!!
What about Barrett? Never had a problem with mine 4000+ rnds later. A bit overgased, but I prefer the term " combat gased"
I know they don’t build full rifles but where would Criterion barrels go on this list?
Probably S or A tier. ADM, which is A tier, uses Criterion barrels, and I would say Criterion barrels are better than Geisseles and LaRues, which are S tier.
High Tier.
"hu hu hk master race amiright guys? Lol" *cries over his 3 thousand dollar pqper weight because he cant get spare pwrts from hk*
I love my rosco k9 12.5 barrel but I wish they'd do it in something besides stainless steel in the series. I do appreciate the nitride finish though. I also love my 16 inch faxon pencil barrel. It has been a great performer for me in my lightweight rifle build. I've had a couple BCA uppers that ran great but I've definitely seen a lot of people have issues with them. I personally like to assemble my own rifles now though rather than buy a complete upper. Might have to buy one of your dissipators though haha. I do have a KE arms kp15 lower that has a lot of rounds through it and it works great. Its not the wwsd ambi lower. It takes triggers just fine and made a sweet lightweight rifle build. Great video
If they make a 4150 version of the barrel I will buy more of them.
Larue was S tier before Mark got butthurt by everyone shitting on the c note and doubled his prices. Now it’s A
wait for offers. I bought a complete upper in June 2021 for 710 bucks.
Primary Arms has deals often on their uppers
Deals still exist on some of the top brands.
Check primary arms now. Larue absolutely has deals and deserves the S spot
I didn’t watch the entire video. But why do you have Geissele in S-tier, but LMT, LWRC in A-tier? And HK in C-tier? Because they’re expensive or hard to get?
These are getting obscure but are all make good rifles. Yes, some aren’t DI AR15s readily available in the US, but if you’re going to include HK and PWS, you might as well include them: Caracal, Haenel, Schmeisser, Sako, B&T, Barrett, and soon Beretta.
Also PRI, Sionics, Hodge, and (Canadian) Colt.
Hk rifles for their military contracts might be higher on the list but their civilian rifles cut corners. There's no reason to sell a rifle for those prices with an untreated carbon steel barrel.
Im not understanding your explanation on the LWRC, you said Geissele is S tier and LWRC is not, but Geissele rifles are over-gassed more then the LWRC. I own both, once my super duty barrel gets hot that group opens up, My LWRC gets hot the group stays alot tighter, and the reason being is the heavy barrel. If a smaller contour barrel gets hot, the group opens up, if a heavy barrel gets hot thats built of quality, the heavy barrel hold groups better. Does my Geissele run like a well oiled machine absolutely, but i hold a 3oc pattern with my LWRC with zero malfunctions, my super duty is 2oc with 3 or 4 stoppages, PMC runs fine in my LWRC, run it through my Super Duty and every now and then she gets a bit unhappy with the PMC. I guess its pretty much preference. Good vid.
My LWRCs were much more over gassed than my Geisseles. I also have had that accuracy issue
I'm the opposite, my Geissele is gassier then my LWRC, cold bore my Geissele is a touch more accurate, after about 2 or 3 mags, my LWRC is a lot more accurate.
Where would you put Centurion Arms
No experience but a lot of questions about them.
Curious where Griffin Armament would fall on this list. Their ambi MK2 lower is awesome and affordable. Pretty much identical to the ADM ambi lower at half the price. Plus they make all of their stuff in house.
Edit* Just seen where you speak of them pretty much putting them on the same tier as ADM.
It would be funny if they made a AK tier list because most of the companies would fall in the no CQ tier.
I have no experience
Primary Arms still ships whatever you need to Washington State. You must affirm a disclaimer before they ship, but they will ship what you need. Just know your State and Local laws and regulations.
What about NY?
@@A-PatrioT not sure. I actually called them and asked about what it is they are willing to ship out. Optics Planet just took a sh!t on us and won't ship anything.
I also called my local gun shops and spoke to staff about aspects of our recent AWB. There is much confusion due to vagueness of the law, in terms of our ability to buy PARTS for rifles like the AR15.
Basically everyone is using their own discretion in terms of interpreting the law. Some are willing to take the risk of selling parts within the state. Some refuse to chance it, other may provide limited items such as Barrels and Bolt Carrier Groups. Basically anything that is essential to the construction of an AR15 or its derivatives is off the table. Some places will still sell muzzle devices, collapsible stocks, buffer tubes, safeties, pistol grips, charging handles and so on.
In other words, many are assuming the "Right to repair", while others simply refuse to take the risk.
Speak to your local dealers, then call Primary Arms to see what they can do.
This is what I’m worried about in Colorado. That companies will just cut ties.
Good to know. Will have to keep that in mind,
Ah no live chat replay?
YT is screwing up rn.
There's a good dozen brands, maybe take a few that I would consider. Just so I don't get paralasys by analysis.
I’ve seen a few of these AR Tier videos and haven’t seen Seekins Precision on any of them.
I don't have much experience.
Battle Arms Development and Mega Arms used to make really good receivers for the price, don't know if that is still the case today. Those were always my go to for stripped lowers.
Bro is like the freaking ice truck killer with the damn cough drops
I love you man but do you have to chew your gum like a cow, right into the microphone? 😂
Not sure about complete ar15's but im certain focus shooting llc uppers are at least for me are top tier.
How did Spike's make it to C? I thought you gave it a B?
He was supposed to move S&W down to C buy messed up.
Missed the live but great talk guys
@FocusTripp SanTan Tactical? I don't think anybody mentioned them.
Never baught a complete rifle from a single manufacturer. Always source upper lower handguard from Aero, bcg and barrel from others, Magpul furniture, gas block else where too. You can build a great rifle with a pinned adjustable gas block and a great barrel for $1000-1500
Missed Munitionworks
No JP or Adams Arms?
Definitely should have put JP, I haven't tried Adams yet.
Anyone have experience with Grid Defense?
not yet.
DANIEL DEFENSE B TIER WAAAAAT HATING THE RIS II WAAAT THE FOOK ITS PERFECT
Ris is a mediocre rail. Furniture is mediocre, everything else is fine.
The IWI Zion definitely pushes IWI into low B tier.
The guy who said Aero is *above* S&W is out of his mind.
well...
I agree.
My favorite AR15 company is Sionics. The only thing they make is their barrels. Very accurate barrels. I have 5 samples that are all MOA or better with good match ammo. Both chrome and QPQ.
They source their uppers and lowers from Mega/Zev. Like others do. Their BCG's are NP3 coated. And they are completley vetted. A ton of departments use them as patrol rifles.
cmmg has fixed my 22 bolt twice first a broken barrel collar which was the fault of an out of spec beyer barrel and also the weld breaking on the back after 10k rounds at least, both times for free and the rdb 8 inch bolt and barrel is awesome
Good to hear.
Dude was so salty on the Geissele part, lol.
My first AR was the Ruger 556. I still have it and it still works, but the QC on it is terrible. The amount of slop between the upper and lower is laughable. And the Ruger furniture they put on it has long since broken off.
The best thing to come out of it was that it helped to teach me about gunsmithing and what to look out for on low quality ARs.
That's what my first ARs did as well.
BA barrels are A but everything else is low B also no qc.
what do you know about their bolt groups?
I love the m4e1 lowers tho. I use those and bcm stripped uppers in every build. Never had an issue from the lowers
@@TheGrimiest true I do like their lowers but then again a lower is a lower as long as it is to spec. It isn't like barrels and bcg. You just have yo treat them like they are, a parts company. If you buy full gun you basically just disassemble it and rebuild doing your own qc.
@@gator7082 They are fine if you check them over and make sure everything is staked properly and fits etc... Again B is fine for most uses it just isn't up there with LaRue, BCM, knights. I just treat BA or Aero as a parts company if you buy a upper take it apart do your own qc and put it back together with loctite and the correct torque specs.
Their lowers and upper receivers are great. I love BA hanson barrels for the money especially on sale or used but basically new. I don't really like their rails they are a little to lightweight (more fore competition) and don't inspire confidence when it comes to durability but they lock up ok and don't rotate. The rest is a wash.
A lot of these companies don’t manufacture anything lol, they just buy from an oem and slap a label on it. Some will do in house QC, or pay for a high level of QC from the oem though.
A lot them do make changes to the products.
Also zev bought mega. the owner of mega, the man that made mega what it was, left and founded icon defense.
Where in the world did you find a Geissele for $1,200???
I believe primary arms literally a wek ago had some Luna Black Superduty rifles in 16" for like 1252$...sadly I was late to the party, they were sold out
@@ReticentIndignation Eh, I just ordered my first from Munition Works. A J.O.E. with a special request of putting a Centurion CHF barrel in it. Dane has been super helpful. Including a discount it was only $1,155!
@@karlchristie1856 RIght on, custom put together is preferable in my opinion. I did buy a Superduty for well under MSRP and I was honestly underwhelmed as the quality wasn't 'perfect.' Not a bad gun by any means, just expected more from an MSRP of $2250. I wouldn't do it again...
That's a good dealio
@@karlchristie1856 Munition works is fantastic
Wilson combat?
At 13:16, did this man say he threw away the whole upper?? Or the barrel? Or the barrel and the gas block?
That should tell you everything you need to know about this guys view on saving money and value
Aero is C, but they’ve probably sold more civilian rifles than everyone else put together by now…I’d love to see a total lowers sold comparison.
I don't think they outsell PSA.
@@FocusTripp like I said. I’d love to see total numbers
I would guess Smith and Wesson with the mp series
No Griffin Armament or Triarc Systems?
We talk about them towards the end.
@@FocusTripp just saw. You mentioned griffin but never placed them
A- tier.
good info to support the rankings.
*Lucas Botkin spins around taking off sunglasses
"Black RAIN you say?"
i think you shouldve included Lantac
I'm gonna have to say this, because it didn't come from aero sight. Those complaints could have been some or even all from aero built uppers built by other companies using there parts. Kinda hard to hold the QC itself against them using that. Except, maybe the part itself failing depending on the situation.
Possible, but like 20 bolts breaking in a row isn't a great sign.
@@FocusTripp That's fair