Summary of this video. M5 is 25% more than 540 in his opinion and he's not trying to make his 540 into an M5 by adding M5 bumpers and etc. Don't waste your time watching this.
@@piotrswirski9407 m8 we know but it's better to say 300, it's not like we are saying the e39 m5 has 394 Bhp we say 400 becouse it's more clear to the ppl watching.
I know he made it pretty clear he wasn't trying to make it into an m5 and told people to not try to make theirs into an m5 but he basically plans on adding m5 parts all the time on his own 540i... Where is the logic?
If you listen to the whole thing, he explains his logic over and over, including your question. He says the M5 parts are better quality and he likes them so when replacing things he will use M5 parts. He says he'll replace them at the rate the 540i parts fail. ;-)
u sound insane... "540i is good but by no means a m5" "im not trying to make this an m5" "if you feel im trying to make this an m5 im sorry" "i want to throw m5 stuff on my 540i but I am not and repeat am not trying to make it into an m5" " sure I want an m5 but I am not making my car into that" "did I mention I love my 25% less 540i and dont want to make it into the 25% more m5" "when I say my car is good enough im not trying to make myself feel better about not owning an m5". TRUE INSANITY! this guy is nuts
hahahaha . I wonder what Ryan thought about this video afterwards and what he said to his other friends. "Guys we own an E39 M5 but its not a great car its just an M5, now do we want an M5 guys? Yes we do want an M5 or should we downsize and get an E39 540"?
I got a 540i 1999 E39 , the full option model. 540i's have 315 actual horsepower but BMW lists them as 286hp. All the 540i's that were stock and on the dyno list 315HP. Nice that BMW lists them lower :D
An M5 is also significantly more expensive. I personally don't think the 540i is powerful enough because I have a car than can outrun the 540i, and I want more power. I think the E39 M5 would satisfy me but then I'd want the E60 M5.
thingsdemystified Hey this is Ryan, not Colton (maker of video) replying here. Just putting in my two cents, but I have spent some time behind the wheel of an E60 M5, and even with it's 111 extra horsepower, it rarely feels faster, or even AS fast as an E39 M5. This is because it ONLY makes it 's immense power above 6,000RPM! It's a highway MONSTER in 2nd-4th but otherwise it feels heavy and slow and bogged down most of the time unless you're ringing it's neck.
Drink every time he says 540 and M5 in the same sentence. You will be drunk in less than 10 minutes. 540i6 is a great car! Could really use a limited slip diff though...
Good vid. Going from a 540 to an M5 is a big jump. "Twenty-five percent" is substantial. $1.00 > .75 cents. // The difference between driving an M5 and owning one is bigger than you might think. // That being said, drive the hell outta that car. I'm a grown ass man and I drive my ///M like I stole it everyday. And she loves every bit of it!
I just bought an E39 540i and I agree with you. It's just fast enough. I do however plan on purchasing an E39 M5. I do realize the 540i has it's limits, but for now, it's the right car.
I owned an E39 540iA M-sport for five years and it was the best car I ever owned. I daresay an M5 is a faster, more sporting car and does have the real benefit of an LSD (the one feature I would definitely have wanted from the M5). But the 540i looked and sounded great, was much cheaper to service (as well as buy) and, after initial reservations, I really appreciated the Sportronic gearbox. I averaged 25 UK miles per gallon (I think about 20 US) - I don't think I felt particularly shortchanged by not having an M5 - but then I have never owned an M5.
I really like your philosophy on this. Both cars are meant to accomplish different tasks and were marketed to completely different buyers in different income brackets. The M5 was supposed to be the 'halo car' in the showroom, the absolute razor's edge as far as what BMW could do. There were plenty of people who didn't/couldn't want/need/afford it and went for the 540i/6. That said, I've always wondered what I'm missing out on(if anything) with the E39 540i/6 versus the E34 540i/6 I have right now. Any comparison between the two?
Having driven both, the 540i is GENUINELY FAST! Journalist always "felt", the hp was waaay underrated! I wholeheartedly agree. It's "290hp", "felt", (waay) more than my 305hp Mustang Cobra. Much like going from a Mustang GT to a Cobra... 540i to an M5
What he said is true, there is widespread debate on the forums comparing the E39 540 to the e39 M5. All he's saying is that the 540 is not the M5! WTF is so hard to understand about that? As a BMW enthusiast I respect every owners right to modify their cars to their liking. I may not agree with their choices but I respect them. If he wants to install M5 parts on his ride than more power to him!! ***** I value your opinion & appreciate your video... Thanx Bro..Happy Motoring!!
The two sedans accomplish different tasks, and thus, will cater to different crowds. That is, if you are getting one or the other for the right reasons. The 540i was deemed by BMW to be "enough" car that they didn't need an M version. However, when Mercedes and Jag both turned up the heat BMW's hand was forced. The M needed to make a statement, and it did. While the 540i is sedate and smooth, the M5 is less so, but it tries. Around town, I imagine that it would be pretty easy to just enjoy the ride and luxury. I've driven some 540i's. I have an M5 though. I can tell you, keeping your foot out of the floor is an exercise in restraint. Not that you have to be romping it everywhere, but the car feels like it wants to lurch and intimidate. That statement comes from a number of people I've let drive my car. People who themselves have fast machines such as 928's, GTO's and M3's, The idea that the M5 is a mere 25% more than a 540i seems more and more acceptable as I think about it. However, the experience is more visceral in the M. Bumps are harsher, acceleration more wrenching, sound more prominent. While the changes may be a 1/4 better, the overall experience is very different. Thus, if you are wanting a nice ride with ample power and tons of luxury, treat yourself to a 540i. They are cheap and fun. If you are wanting enough power to slap the hands of pony car owners, with enough handling to give firm confidence in the turns and lastly the kind of car that makes you forget it has an extra set of doors behind you, you want the M5. True it is roughly 2x the price (I just checked), but for the money, you get a lot more car than what others might find on the market. They really are two different machines, the M and the 540. Close enough to look related and feel from the same family, but different enough to firmly distinguish the two. I wouldn't have gotten an M if I just wanted nice luxury. The 540 fills that niche nicely. However, I was actually on the hunt for something powerful and fast. Not that I had the intention to race everywhere. After two years... I still don't. But it satisfies me in ways the 540i wouldn't have, if I went for 25% less. And that's just my 2 cents, really. Get the car that caters to your interests.
Very nice report. I owned an E39 540i6 (bought new in 2003, last year of production) and I loved every minute of it. I became a Dinan slave (exhaust, flywheel, Stage II), though I never Dinan badged it. Hands down, most enjoyable adult vehicle I've had so far. And yes, I did sometimes wonder..
Great video! Its all about what we as individuals wants and needs from our cars. I have been a BMW owner for almost 20 years. All my cars has been 520i´s which in my neck of the woods, Norway, is the most popular version due to hilarious car prices (2-3 times more than the US). My current one is a 2003 520i original M Sport. The engine is very smooth and agile, the M styling and details are awsome and for my driving style and needs its just perfect.
I own both, 1999 Bmw 540i/6 & 2000 M5 complete different cars, the 540i is my daily. I have owned everything from 318i to 745li and everything in between.
Facts, the 540i came with M performance parts, doesn’t mean it’s an M5. Putting an M5 badge is tacky, but having a fast 540 with better performance parts is sensible preference.
I honestly believe if you put a m5 rear bumper on your 540 and quad exhaust pipes you are in some way trying to make your 540 a m5. You might as well slap a m5 logo on the back... Idk thats just my opinion, its just rediculous and un-necessary, you wanna upgrade your exhaust just get a single or double pipe exhaust, but in my opinion these cars should just stay stock, I have a absolute blast driving mine with zero modifications.
First of all - 540 i6 was a BASE for making M5... They've so much in common, yet they vary in many ways... I've driven 540i 6 for 4 years and M5 for 2 years - M5 is spiced up version of 540 - its faster, louder, stiffer, handles better, brakes better, drinks much more fuel... simply - //M a it's best.
I love this video, really proves a lot of people wrong when they say you're trying to make it an M5, and when u where saying the part about always going fast, but when you mature that feeling goes away, i felt the same exact way when i started driving.
Ok just to correct some issues... 2003 540i M had the front and rear M5 bumpers factory with a splitter in the front so he will not be making it an M5. Putting on M5 looking exhaust is stupid you should get the M tech exhaust found on the 2003. The 540i is 50% less in the limited slip department and is lacking in the ratio area so that 400HP is used more effectively in the M5 thus being a multiplier of it's torque. 540i will rub with 275 in the rear which is not cool... The M5's interior far out weighs the interior of the 540i in every aspect. I could go on and on but I chose not to... As to your comment of the E60 M5 which spanks E39 which you said doesn't "feel" faster is because they have similar torque, which is the put you back in your seat feeling, but when put next to each other from a 60 role the E60 will walk all over the E39. I do own both vehicles and enjoy every minute of the LSD rear, tire shredding, highway killing power that is GREATLY lacking in the 540i which I daily drive. Your opinion of 25% is correct for a couple things but is off in a lot of others. Keep your 540i and join the rest of us enjoying the 40% better E39 M5 that turns that 540i adult smile into a grin so big it hurts.
my take 540i = 7000, M5 = 19,000. 12,000 is a huge difference. not to mention the insurance. an better option would be to buy th 540i, and buy an e30 and put an M60 in it. use the E30 when you want to go fast and the E39 when you want to go to work. and in both cases when an uninsured motorist hits you you wont cry and hide away in seclusion that they killed a german Unicorn (M5)
I own an e39 540i and honestly I find it powerful and reliable everyday ride, if I want the extra power and additional maintenance cost I'll buy a Porsche 911 otherwise I'm happy with the 540i
I dont agree with your review. First off I have 2000 540i M sport 6 speed manual. I have also just bought an 2000 M5. Like you I have done some work to my 540i not to make it an M. But to make it better. I sport the M front bumper. M rear trunk spoiler. H&Rs on the M sport suspension. Short shift via e60 shifter. DINAN intake. etc etc. I think the words you should have been looking for more is that when you have a 540i you inspire it to be an M5 but you know it will never be. Sure if you slapped on a supercharger and an LSD rear diff you'd be pretty close. The real difference between an M5 and a 540i is the M5 badge on the rear and what it represents. Its not just 100hp and lsd. Its the fact the right out of the box its the "ultimate driving machine" hands down. Any purest will tell you its not about the numbers. Its the experience. You say 25%. I say 50% more driving experience. Your sences are what should dictate how you rate a car. Not numbers. And the fact that you don't even drive an M5 in your comparison makes it just talk. Don't take my comments negatively. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I just think you miss the biggest part of the differnce.
+ssjrich420 As the owner of this channel and not the creator of this video, or a supporter of what this video says, I salute you. Thank you for taking the time to write this out. -Ryan Schultz
Great vid! Very entertaining. Here in the Netherlands we have a magazine called AutoWeek which has a YT Channel as well. They once tested (and filmed) a stock 1997 540i/6 with standard OEM airfilters and exhaust on a Dyno and it did 330 horsepower and had more torque than listed. So I imagine the difference compared to an ///M5 might even be smaller. As a fellow E39 driver-and enthusiast I salute you!
I only paid $10,500 for my E39 M5... initial cost difference and current cost difference are enough to justify the M5 now... If you can find a decent running one, without the SAP/CBU AA code, and a bad ABS module... or just don't live in a place that does emissions... course, I have to also pay to facelift, if I care enough... and I may eventually.
i own a 540i non vanos 6 speed (with some mods like decatt str8 pipe) BUT , its as fast as an oem m5 ! due to less weight i think also but still! 540i is much better then m5 if you compare the price for maintenance ,vanos problems etc ..
I agree with you Colton on most of the things you said. Putting M5 front and rear bumpers, an alcantara headliner, and the M5 exhaust doesn't make you wanting to make it an M5. However, one thing that is over my edge is the M5 side moldings. They have the M5 badge on them. Although I'm a huge BMW fan, I'm also a Ford fan (Weird combo). To me that M5 molding is like someone putting the GT badge on the front fender of their Mustang, replacing the Tri-stripe pony. That's just my opinion. Good video
It's a psychological difference. The M5 (e39) is a statement of what a high quality German carmanufacturer could accomplish at the end of the nineties. It's the epitomy of a fourdoor saloon car. Any petrolhead will immediately understand what it means if you state that you drive a 'M5'. In Europe the M5 was even mentioned in the mainstream quality papers as the car most coveted by the working class. The M5 is almost an household name.... At the old Top Gear Tiff Needle reviewed a M5 and not the 540i. It's not that the 540i is a bad car, it's maybe even better then a M5, I don't know, but it doesn't have the charisma and flair of a M5. The four pipe chrome exhaust setup is a typical trademark of the M5 as is the different bodywork. I personally wouldn't fit that on a 540i because it does impersonate the M5. Maybe just acceptable are the 18 inch double spoke wheels because they are such a exquisite design and will probably enhance your grip with the right tyres on them. I'm sorry Colton....but hey I know you will get your M5 soon as you already state in this beautiful made video. By the way why do you need a M5 anyway in the States? You can't drive faster then 80 mph anywhere as I understand. I live 30 miles away from the least crowdy Autobahn and can take my BMW 530i for a highspeed drive if I want to. By the way a 540i from 1997 on a performancebank still produced 310 bhp and the torque was on the original spec. That means it produced 24 bhp more then the factory spec and that's phenomenal.
Hi Cool video i like it, I own a 2003 540i M-Tech it came factory with M bumpers front and rear, I know some people add them but mine came factory with them, its the M-Tech package..... Also mine was imported I am the first owner.
M5 and 540i may be the same generation (E39) But its not exactly the same car, like he mentioned in the video. the 540i has a V8 thatis 300hp. The M5 has a V8 that is 400hp. It is 25% 100hp+. But its an "M"5, do not forget about suspension and special features for those additional smile. However, I personally think M5 is a great car for the track, not daily. I would go with the 540i if its for daily driving. It has better gas mileage and easier/cheaper to maintain also insurance& still powerful
You're right, you don't have to drive your car hard BUT please understand that BMW's are designed to be driven hard. That's why BMW's will outlast and perform most cars on the road …. I have been driving BMW's since Mid '80's and I usually find that the harder you drive them the better they run.
This is the case, if you are kinda into V8, youtube videos and fixing with your car the only reason you have a 540 instead of an M5 is besauce of the price, simple as that. I would say very very few drives a E39 540 today the way the new car buyers did back in the days.
Pretty awesome how you can sound insecure and condescending at the same time. Basically, you just made a 14 minute video defending yourself against critics that honestly shouldn't matter, but in doing so you confirmed without a doubt that, to you, their silly criticism do matter. I currently drive a Porsche 928, but I am actively shopping for a E39, prob an M5. I can't tell you the crap I hear from other Porsche owners about me buying a BMW. They can kiss my ass. People are always going to have their opinions. You gotta do what makes you happy. Now, with that in mind, continue your quest to create an M5 clone from your 540. LMAO! It's you goal, have the balls to own it.
LOL, I've always loved that car as well, so much so I've owned six!! I currently own my fifth and sixth, both are 87 models, one is an auto the other is a manual. Great cars! I owned an E39 530i that I miss often, and I will undoubtedly own another E39, but my next purchase will be a 944 turbo. :)
Gregory Thomas That's too funny! I just got a 2001 530i with the sport package and a manual. And my neighbor has a black 944 Turbo manual as well. Have you ever been interested in a 968?
I like the 968, but seeing how it's really just a 944 with a clever make over, I think the 944 turbo is a far better car. It has tons more performance potential and is far less complicated. Porsche was in dire straights when it launched the 968 and that desperation shows in some of the cars frailties. The 944 is pretty much bulletproof.
id much rather have a M5 over my M-sport 540i black on black manual of course. but its so hard to find a clean one with low miles... check out the magnaflow on my car BMW 540i Magnaflow Exhaust.
I'm looking into buying a 2003 540I. On average, what are the yearly maintenance expenses, besides gas, on this vehicle? What should I look for when purchasing one? Thanks...by the way nice video!!!!
While this video is 10 years old, as it stands now the 540i is going to be the obvious better car for anyone looking to daily drive and make it a project car. Although the m5 undoubtedly is better for performance, I think we can all agree it’s no track car. So if you what a car that handles tight, does good with some mods, and has decent straight line speed. But don’t want to chuck out the insane money m5’s command (and the insurance price if your under 25) 540i is the clear and I mean clear winner, as you will literally have to pay nearly double to have an m5 in the same condition you get a 540i in. Also worth noting that if your gonna go and track the car or go hooning, 540i is better because you don’t need it to be an investment car
Europe is a union../ as a country should be. (you didnt know it??-where da fuck are you from??).. and the gasoline in Portugal/Spain is 1,40 to 1,60 in Germany..So you need 20 Euros(or USD) for 100 Kilometres in that car!!! what a crime!
Much respect to you for being truthful about everything. Good on you for getting a 540i for your first car. Can't say I had that luck when I was 17 because I bought a 240sx and at 23 years of age I now drive an M3 e46, but like you said, dont let people deter you from what you want to buy and do with your car. Haters gon' hate. Nice channel dude !!
As a fellow 540i owner, I agree with a lot of what you just said. I just wish it could have been said in a slightly less sharktooth necklace wearing, not knowing what constitutes the middle of nowhere(hint, it's WAY west of Frederick), manicured eyebrows, kind of way. You know?
There is quite a lot to weigh up Do u get an M5 for bragging rights or like me buy an e39 525 msport? They look almost the same apart from wheels badges and exhaust and wing mirrors. 525 msport does 145 mph 0 to 60 in 7.8 seconds has cheaper insurance and parts repairs . and on most roads over 70mph you're breaking the limit unless ur on a Bavarian Autobahn. 540i is plenty quick enough for most people It's just the kudos of having the ultimate Driving Machine.
Interesting, One of the things I like least about the M5, by a HUGE margin, is the steering feel. Really makes it hard to feel when you're approaching the limit. Still, could be worse-- the EPS in the f10/f30 makes the car absolutely impossible to drive at the limit.
Some parts are cheaper. I have found that the M5's S62 is more reliable than the 540i's M62. Many parts are the same or every so slightly more, but some are quite a bit more.
Most of the cost of repairs is labor, so if you have a good indy mechanic it isn't too bad either way. The worst part about BMW repairs is if you go to a real BMW dealer... The typical business model is based on maximizing the cost of warranty repairs. However, some parts are going to hurt such as: exhaust, catalytic converter, and now even the plastic splash guards are hard to find at a discount ( $300+ each and there are 6 of them -- go ahead and ask how I know :D )
I love the cars with the m62b44 740 and 540, i have had both and love the feeling they give. I have also had an alpina with the 4.6 and that is also a good engine
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You underlined some good facts about all above models. Respect man :) Just got a little carried away. My self I own an 2003 E39 M62 M package. So i do have a front and a rear bumper of an M5 from factory. Got an M staggered 5 spoke rims from an E38 with a small lip on it 235front and 265back. I got for $3800 with 368K on it. First time at the truck did 14.4 on the quoter mile. Got a second engine for it with 185K that im dropping in it once this one quits :) At the moment over winter im working on making it a twin exhaust with MSD at the back and to do that im going to get read of full size spare tire and you have to cut into that space to fit a muffler. And I prefer 540i over M5 cose you get a lot more for youre money, and theres still tons of room to play and customize. You cant find a decent M5 for under $16000.
I have a 540i . My dad has an m5 . I can tell u that 540i for smooth, easy, powerful, great all around car . M5 for performance, noisy, rough, sporty feel. Buy the 540i for all round great car. Buy the m5 for specific traits !!
Max the Maltese dog what about m5 suspension, is it a lot more harder to work at? or i can switch to stock e39 suspension if someone breaks for more comfort? Also is the S62 very expensive to repair if something will go wrong?
the only reason to choose a 540I over the M5 is you can't afford the cost of ownership. It's ok we all have our financial limitations thats why they have so many configurations for the amazing E39.
Nice video. Have an e39 m5 and you capture nicely that 90% of the time all I am doing is driving a car that has an M badge but I am using 1/10th of its potential. Over here now nearly every new BMW has some form of an M badge so even better people no longer know what the e39 m5 is. Nice video, you are lucky to live in a beautiful area.. nice weed whacker at the end
great video... There is no shame using some M5 parts, i'd so the same. Their quality and performance do have the upper hand and the styling of the M5 is rather nice
+1. I've owned my M5 for more than 4 years and drive it like crazy every single time. When i noticed 400 hp isn't cutting it anymore i installed S/C and now i have zero ideas about changing it for something else :)
So say im 18 looking at a 97 540i, it has almost pristine interior and only a few very minor engine problems and 150k miles on it. Few paint issues, but thats no problem. Its $2,800. Would you say go for it its a great car, or ehh probably shouldnt get it ?
Yes that's a WONDERFUL car, for that money. Keep it in that shape, and fix any smaller things that may be wrong with it. If you take care of it, it will take care of you for a very long time.
I have both 540, M3 and M5 Dinan , My 540 seems very fast Plenty of power, M3 pretty much the same But i would say the m5 has more than 25% as stated on your video I have to agree with blackxs on this subject. Al
I plan on making the 540 my next vehicle. I currently drive a 04 WRX which is a significantly different car. I can hypothesize all day on how the torque curve, power output and awd effect the drive SO to those who have actually driven both, how would you compare these two cars? When I get a chance to drive a 540 I will definitely chime in myself.
Next time I see a 540 roll through Silver Spring MD I'll go all grand theft auto on them, go for a joy ride and return it with a fresh wash and waxing. Thanks.
540i true quad/dual exhaust Yo man, I don't know if you've done your quad exhaust yet but just to help you out. This is my car I still have my spare tire in there but both sides are connected if you are interested I could tell you how it was built.
I got a 523iA. Guess what? I love it :-) If I could afford an M540 or M5, i would get one, but I cant. But even with "only" 170 HP, it is a great car: Safe, comfy, billion extras etc. And to me it is the most beautiful design ever. I just LOVE to get in in the morning and go to work with it, because I still feel superior in an almost 20 year old car. 1.6 tons of power and ingenuity :-) E39
+Luper 540i is fast but will require more maintenance. 530i isn't slow and will be more reliable and affordable to maintain. 528i will be older and slower, and the 525i is the slowest one with the same reliability as the 530i. I would recommend you drive a 525i, 530i, and 540i, and see what you like vs what your budget might be.
I have a few questions for you. Does the 540i 6-speed have a limited slip diff? How does the ride compare between the two? How does the 540i handle compared to the M5?
540i/6 (Sport) has an open differential. The only limited slip is the M5. The ride of a 540 sport is very similar to an M5, but it;s missing some key braces and components underneath. The difference is noticeable in both ride and handling.
***** Canadian 540 6spd had an lsd and m-sport suspension. Same part numbers for the suspension as m5. I used an auto logic chip in my 540 and michelin ps2. Almost as quick as an m5, but still a bit of a pretender. M5 is just a beast.
The 540i is expensive to maintain as well. And the 540i doesn't wear an M badge on the trunk lid... which means it IS very different actually. Having driven both, it's easy to tell which one you're driving. Having said that, the 540i isn't anything like the I6 E39s either. And for a first BMW... it depends how serious you are. The M5 is top of the line... but with that comes costly maintenance and harder/more frequent service procedures.
Summary of this video.
M5 is 25% more than 540 in his opinion and he's not trying to make his 540 into an M5 by adding M5 bumpers and etc.
Don't waste your time watching this.
Luccas Ferreira I agree with what he said in the video but he did repeat the same thing 200 times.
I wanted to buy a 540i but as soon as I saw your shark tooth necklace... I think I'll just buy a benz instead..
hahahaha!
It 35% more not 25%. 400hp is 33 percent more than 300hp.
Yes, but 540i is 25% less than an M5. :)
BTW 540i have 286hp not 300
@@piotrswirski9407 m8 we know but it's better to say 300, it's not like we are saying the e39 m5 has 394 Bhp we say 400 becouse it's more clear to the ppl watching.
Bro just say I dont have the money for an m5 (or my dad doesn’t have the money to buy me an m5)
I know he made it pretty clear he wasn't trying to make it into an m5 and told people to not try to make theirs into an m5 but he basically plans on adding m5 parts all the time on his own 540i... Where is the logic?
If you listen to the whole thing, he explains his logic over and over, including your question. He says the M5 parts are better quality and he likes them so when replacing things he will use M5 parts. He says he'll replace them at the rate the 540i parts fail. ;-)
Selling my 900rwhp Supra for an M5. Says a lot about the M5.
Lmao just sounds like you bought the wrong car
@@pbj6535 Lol this was when Supra's were reasonable and not stupidly expensive. I'd have that then the Supra at this point
It really is as simple as the M5 bumpers look that much better. All E39s look fantastic and the M5 is just that more aggressive and good looking.
u sound insane... "540i is good but by no means a m5" "im not trying to make this an m5" "if you feel im trying to make this an m5 im sorry" "i want to throw m5 stuff on my 540i but I am not and repeat am not trying to make it into an m5" " sure I want an m5 but I am not making my car into that" "did I mention I love my 25% less 540i and dont want to make it into the 25% more m5" "when I say my car is good enough im not trying to make myself feel better about not owning an m5". TRUE INSANITY! this guy is nuts
Ummmm yeah it sounds like you regret not buying an M5.
On a scale of 9-10, how mad is this guy that his 540i isn't an M5?
12.
Lol
haha!
15
hahahaha . I wonder what Ryan thought about this video afterwards and what he said to his other friends. "Guys we own an E39 M5 but its not a great car its just an M5, now do we want an M5 guys? Yes we do want an M5 or should we downsize and get an E39 540"?
I got a 540i 1999 E39 , the full option model. 540i's have 315 actual horsepower but BMW lists them as 286hp. All the 540i's that were stock and on the dyno list 315HP. Nice that BMW lists them lower :D
i like the 540i better than the m5. you feel better modding your car and not keeping he miles down.
Technically, wouldnt the M5 have 40% more power than the 286hp 540?
286 x .4 = 114.4 + 286 = 400.4
You wrote exactly what I just thought, thank you!
More like 36.6% more power than the 540i. The M5 doesn't have 400 HP it has 390 HP
Weapon X 396hp pretty much 400
The thing is manual and automatic
If a 540i is 25% less than an M5, then an M5 is 33.33% more, not 25% more.
An M5 is also significantly more expensive. I personally don't think the 540i is powerful enough because I have a car than can outrun the 540i, and I want more power. I think the E39 M5 would satisfy me but then I'd want the E60 M5.
thingsdemystified Hey this is Ryan, not Colton (maker of video) replying here. Just putting in my two cents, but I have spent some time behind the wheel of an E60 M5, and even with it's 111 extra horsepower, it rarely feels faster, or even AS fast as an E39 M5. This is because it ONLY makes it 's immense power above 6,000RPM! It's a highway MONSTER in 2nd-4th but otherwise it feels heavy and slow and bogged down most of the time unless you're ringing it's neck.
Drink every time he says 540 and M5 in the same sentence. You will be drunk in less than 10 minutes. 540i6 is a great car! Could really use a limited slip diff though...
i grabbed one from a salvaged e39 m5... made the 540 feel great
wasted
M5 bumpers on a 540 is a mistake imo. I can respect an original 540, but altering it to resemble something it's not cheapens it for me.
So what about the M-tech...
Good vid. Going from a 540 to an M5 is a big jump. "Twenty-five percent" is substantial. $1.00 > .75 cents. // The difference between driving an M5 and owning one is bigger than you might think. // That being said, drive the hell outta that car. I'm a grown ass man and I drive my ///M like I stole it everyday. And she loves every bit of it!
I just bought an E39 540i and I agree with you. It's just fast enough. I do however plan on purchasing an E39 M5. I do realize the 540i has it's limits, but for now, it's the right car.
So is it 25% more?
i own a 2000 540i auto/sport package and i really really want an 02-03 530i 5speed manual with the sport package. thats my dream car right now
I owned an E39 540iA M-sport for five years and it was the best car I ever owned. I daresay an M5 is a faster, more sporting car and does have the real benefit of an LSD (the one feature I would definitely have wanted from the M5). But the 540i looked and sounded great, was much cheaper to service (as well as buy) and, after initial reservations, I really appreciated the Sportronic gearbox. I averaged 25 UK miles per gallon (I think about 20 US) - I don't think I felt particularly shortchanged by not having an M5 - but then I have never owned an M5.
I really like your philosophy on this. Both cars are meant to accomplish different tasks and were marketed to completely different buyers in different income brackets. The M5 was supposed to be the 'halo car' in the showroom, the absolute razor's edge as far as what BMW could do. There were plenty of people who didn't/couldn't want/need/afford it and went for the 540i/6. That said, I've always wondered what I'm missing out on(if anything) with the E39 540i/6 versus the E34 540i/6 I have right now. Any comparison between the two?
The e39 M5 is a completely different animal, even if it is "only 25% more". It is the most iconic BMW sedan in BMW's stable.
Having driven both, the 540i is GENUINELY FAST! Journalist always "felt", the hp was waaay underrated! I wholeheartedly agree. It's "290hp", "felt", (waay) more than my 305hp Mustang Cobra. Much like going from a Mustang GT to a Cobra... 540i to an M5
What he said is true, there is widespread debate on the forums comparing the E39 540 to the e39 M5. All he's saying is that the 540 is not the M5! WTF is so hard to understand about that? As a BMW enthusiast I respect every owners right to modify their cars to their liking. I may not agree with their choices but I respect them. If he wants to install M5 parts on his ride than more power to him!! ***** I value your opinion & appreciate your video...
Thanx Bro..Happy Motoring!!
The two sedans accomplish different tasks, and thus, will cater to different crowds. That is, if you are getting one or the other for the right reasons. The 540i was deemed by BMW to be "enough" car that they didn't need an M version. However, when Mercedes and Jag both turned up the heat BMW's hand was forced. The M needed to make a statement, and it did. While the 540i is sedate and smooth, the M5 is less so, but it tries. Around town, I imagine that it would be pretty easy to just enjoy the ride and luxury. I've driven some 540i's. I have an M5 though. I can tell you, keeping your foot out of the floor is an exercise in restraint. Not that you have to be romping it everywhere, but the car feels like it wants to lurch and intimidate. That statement comes from a number of people I've let drive my car. People who themselves have fast machines such as 928's, GTO's and M3's,
The idea that the M5 is a mere 25% more than a 540i seems more and more acceptable as I think about it. However, the experience is more visceral in the M. Bumps are harsher, acceleration more wrenching, sound more prominent. While the changes may be a 1/4 better, the overall experience is very different. Thus, if you are wanting a nice ride with ample power and tons of luxury, treat yourself to a 540i. They are cheap and fun. If you are wanting enough power to slap the hands of pony car owners, with enough handling to give firm confidence in the turns and lastly the kind of car that makes you forget it has an extra set of doors behind you, you want the M5. True it is roughly 2x the price (I just checked), but for the money, you get a lot more car than what others might find on the market.
They really are two different machines, the M and the 540. Close enough to look related and feel from the same family, but different enough to firmly distinguish the two. I wouldn't have gotten an M if I just wanted nice luxury. The 540 fills that niche nicely. However, I was actually on the hunt for something powerful and fast. Not that I had the intention to race everywhere. After two years... I still don't. But it satisfies me in ways the 540i wouldn't have, if I went for 25% less. And that's just my 2 cents, really. Get the car that caters to your interests.
Thanks so much for this comment, I absolutely love it! I agree with most everything you say, this is very well written.
Actually a jump from 300bhp to 400bhp is a 33.33 gain since 100 is a third of 300 but you point still stands, its just a bit bigger of a gap.
Very nice report. I owned an E39 540i6 (bought new in 2003, last year of production) and I loved every minute of it. I became a Dinan slave (exhaust, flywheel, Stage II), though I never Dinan badged it. Hands down, most enjoyable adult vehicle I've had so far. And yes, I did sometimes wonder..
All I'm hearing is 25 percent
Great video! Its all about what we as individuals wants and needs from our cars. I have been a BMW owner for almost 20 years. All my cars has been 520i´s which in my neck of the woods, Norway, is the most popular version due to hilarious car prices (2-3 times more than the US). My current one is a 2003 520i original M Sport. The engine is very smooth and agile, the M styling and details are awsome and for my driving style and needs its just perfect.
I own both, 1999 Bmw 540i/6 & 2000 M5 complete different cars, the 540i is my daily. I have owned everything from 318i to 745li and everything in between.
Facts, the 540i came with M performance parts, doesn’t mean it’s an M5. Putting an M5 badge is tacky, but having a fast 540 with better performance parts is sensible preference.
I honestly believe if you put a m5 rear bumper on your 540 and quad exhaust pipes you are in some way trying to make your 540 a m5. You might as well slap a m5 logo on the back... Idk thats just my opinion, its just rediculous and un-necessary, you wanna upgrade your exhaust just get a single or double pipe exhaust, but in my opinion these cars should just stay stock, I have a absolute blast driving mine with zero modifications.
Chase Bradley
You must not understand anything about cars.
First of all - 540 i6 was a BASE for making M5... They've so much in common, yet they vary in many ways... I've driven 540i 6 for 4 years and M5 for 2 years - M5 is spiced up version of 540 - its faster, louder, stiffer, handles better, brakes better, drinks much more fuel... simply - //M a it's best.
I love this video, really proves a lot of people wrong when they say you're trying to make it an M5, and when u where saying the part about always going fast, but when you mature that feeling goes away, i felt the same exact way when i started driving.
Ok just to correct some issues... 2003 540i M had the front and rear M5 bumpers factory with a splitter in the front so he will not be making it an M5. Putting on M5 looking exhaust is stupid you should get the M tech exhaust found on the 2003. The 540i is 50% less in the limited slip department and is lacking in the ratio area so that 400HP is used more effectively in the M5 thus being a multiplier of it's torque. 540i will rub with 275 in the rear which is not cool... The M5's interior far out weighs the interior of the 540i in every aspect. I could go on and on but I chose not to... As to your comment of the E60 M5 which spanks E39 which you said doesn't "feel" faster is because they have similar torque, which is the put you back in your seat feeling, but when put next to each other from a 60 role the E60 will walk all over the E39. I do own both vehicles and enjoy every minute of the LSD rear, tire shredding, highway killing power that is GREATLY lacking in the 540i which I daily drive. Your opinion of 25% is correct for a couple things but is off in a lot of others. Keep your 540i and join the rest of us enjoying the 40% better E39 M5 that turns that 540i adult smile into a grin so big it hurts.
Am I the only one who thinks that a 540i is not a straight6?
Tamás Wagner He's referring to i/6 as in 540i / 6-speed. I.E. Sport package. The 540 is indeed a 4.4 liter V8.
+Tamás Wagner Why do you think its "Not A Straight6"? What gave it away?
75% of time saying 25%.
100% (what was that about?)
my take 540i = 7000, M5 = 19,000. 12,000 is a huge difference. not to mention the insurance. an better option would be to buy th 540i, and buy an e30 and put an M60 in it. use the E30 when you want to go fast and the E39 when you want to go to work. and in both cases when an uninsured motorist hits you you wont cry and hide away in seclusion that they killed a german Unicorn (M5)
I own an e39 540i and honestly I find it powerful and reliable everyday ride, if I want the extra power and additional maintenance cost I'll buy a Porsche 911 otherwise I'm happy with the 540i
How much percent?
I dont agree with your review. First off I have 2000 540i M sport 6 speed manual. I have also just bought an 2000 M5. Like you I have done some work to my 540i not to make it an M. But to make it better. I sport the M front bumper. M rear trunk spoiler. H&Rs on the M sport suspension. Short shift via e60 shifter. DINAN intake. etc etc.
I think the words you should have been looking for more is that when you have a 540i you inspire it to be an M5 but you know it will never be. Sure if you slapped on a supercharger and an LSD rear diff you'd be pretty close.
The real difference between an M5 and a 540i is the M5 badge on the rear and what it represents. Its not just 100hp and lsd. Its the fact the right out of the box its the "ultimate driving machine" hands down. Any purest will tell you its not about the numbers. Its the experience. You say 25%. I say 50% more driving experience. Your sences are what should dictate how you rate a car. Not numbers.
And the fact that you don't even drive an M5 in your comparison makes it just talk.
Don't take my comments negatively. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I just think you miss the biggest part of the differnce.
+ssjrich420 As the owner of this channel and not the creator of this video, or a supporter of what this video says, I salute you. Thank you for taking the time to write this out.
-Ryan Schultz
I also think the single worst thing about the M5 is the quad exhaust, as it costs you the spare tire well, so that's the last mod I'd do!
Great vid! Very entertaining. Here in the Netherlands we have a magazine called AutoWeek which has a YT Channel as well. They once tested (and filmed) a stock 1997 540i/6 with standard OEM airfilters and exhaust on a Dyno and it did 330 horsepower and had more torque than listed. So I imagine the difference compared to an ///M5 might even be smaller. As a fellow E39 driver-and enthusiast I salute you!
I only paid $10,500 for my E39 M5... initial cost difference and current cost difference are enough to justify the M5 now... If you can find a decent running one, without the SAP/CBU AA code, and a bad ABS module... or just don't live in a place that does emissions... course, I have to also pay to facelift, if I care enough... and I may eventually.
i own a 540i non vanos 6 speed (with some mods like decatt str8 pipe) BUT , its as fast as an oem m5 ! due to less weight i think also but still! 540i is much better then m5 if you compare the price for maintenance ,vanos problems etc ..
2001 and sounds were oem. Exhaust was straight piped. Sounded wicked!
just feel the power and end of story
I agree with you Colton on most of the things you said. Putting M5 front and rear bumpers, an alcantara headliner, and the M5 exhaust doesn't make you wanting to make it an M5. However, one thing that is over my edge is the M5 side moldings. They have the M5 badge on them. Although I'm a huge BMW fan, I'm also a Ford fan (Weird combo). To me that M5 molding is like someone putting the GT badge on the front fender of their Mustang, replacing the Tri-stripe pony. That's just my opinion. Good video
It's a psychological difference. The M5 (e39) is a statement of what a high quality German carmanufacturer could accomplish at the end of the nineties. It's the epitomy of a fourdoor saloon car. Any petrolhead will immediately understand what it means if you state that you drive a 'M5'. In Europe the M5 was even mentioned in the mainstream quality papers as the car most coveted by the working class.
The M5 is almost an household name....
At the old Top Gear Tiff Needle reviewed a M5 and not the 540i.
It's not that the 540i is a bad car, it's maybe even better then a M5, I don't know, but it doesn't have the charisma and flair of a M5.
The four pipe chrome exhaust setup is a typical trademark of the M5 as is the different bodywork. I personally wouldn't fit that on a 540i because it does impersonate the M5. Maybe just acceptable are the 18 inch double spoke wheels because they are such a exquisite design and will probably enhance your grip with the right tyres on them.
I'm sorry Colton....but hey I know you will get your M5 soon as you already state in this beautiful made video.
By the way why do you need a M5 anyway in the States?
You can't drive faster then 80 mph anywhere as I understand.
I live 30 miles away from the least crowdy Autobahn and can take my BMW 530i for a highspeed drive if I want to.
By the way a 540i from 1997 on a performancebank still produced 310 bhp and the torque was on the original spec. That means it produced 24 bhp more then the factory spec and that's phenomenal.
Hi Cool video i like it, I own a 2003 540i M-Tech it came factory with M bumpers front and rear, I know some people add them but mine came factory with them, its the M-Tech package..... Also mine was imported I am the first owner.
M5 and 540i may be the same generation (E39) But its not exactly the same car, like he mentioned in the video. the 540i has a V8 thatis 300hp. The M5 has a V8 that is 400hp. It is 25% 100hp+. But its an "M"5, do not forget about suspension and special features for those additional smile. However, I personally think M5 is a great car for the track, not daily. I would go with the 540i if its for daily driving. It has better gas mileage and easier/cheaper to maintain also insurance& still powerful
You're right, you don't have to drive your car hard BUT please understand that BMW's are designed to be driven hard. That's why BMW's will outlast and perform most cars on the road …. I have been driving BMW's since Mid '80's and I usually find that the harder you drive them the better they run.
This is the case, if you are kinda into V8, youtube videos and fixing with your car the only reason you have a 540 instead of an M5 is besauce of the price, simple as that. I would say very very few drives a E39 540 today the way the new car buyers did back in the days.
Pretty awesome how you can sound insecure and condescending at the same time. Basically, you just made a 14 minute video defending yourself against critics that honestly shouldn't matter, but in doing so you confirmed without a doubt that, to you, their silly criticism do matter. I currently drive a Porsche 928, but I am actively shopping for a E39, prob an M5. I can't tell you the crap I hear from other Porsche owners about me buying a BMW. They can kiss my ass. People are always going to have their opinions. You gotta do what makes you happy. Now, with that in mind, continue your quest to create an M5 clone from your 540. LMAO! It's you goal, have the balls to own it.
That's awesome you have a 928, what year? Loved that car since Scarface!
LOL, I've always loved that car as well, so much so I've owned six!! I currently own my fifth and sixth, both are 87 models, one is an auto the other is a manual. Great cars! I owned an E39 530i that I miss often, and I will undoubtedly own another E39, but my next purchase will be a 944 turbo. :)
Gregory Thomas That's too funny! I just got a 2001 530i with the sport package and a manual. And my neighbor has a black 944 Turbo manual as well. Have you ever been interested in a 968?
I like the 968, but seeing how it's really just a 944 with a clever make over, I think the 944 turbo is a far better car. It has tons more performance potential and is far less complicated. Porsche was in dire straights when it launched the 968 and that desperation shows in some of the cars frailties. The 944 is pretty much bulletproof.
Gregory Thomas
nobody asked what shitty old porsche you drive...
id much rather have a M5 over my M-sport 540i black on black manual of course. but its so hard to find a clean one with low miles... check out the magnaflow on my car BMW 540i Magnaflow Exhaust.
I think he wants to say it's not an M5
I'm looking into buying a 2003 540I. On average, what are the yearly maintenance expenses, besides gas, on this vehicle? What should I look for when purchasing one? Thanks...by the way nice video!!!!
While this video is 10 years old, as it stands now the 540i is going to be the obvious better car for anyone looking to daily drive and make it a project car.
Although the m5 undoubtedly is better for performance, I think we can all agree it’s no track car. So if you what a car that handles tight, does good with some mods, and has decent straight line speed. But don’t want to chuck out the insane money m5’s command (and the insurance price if your under 25)
540i is the clear and I mean clear winner, as you will literally have to pay nearly double to have an m5 in the same condition you get a 540i in.
Also worth noting that if your gonna go and track the car or go hooning, 540i is better because you don’t need it to be an investment car
in europe its impossible to drive a 4000cc every day, unless youre rich because you pay 1, 60 per litre! so a 540i, here is unuseless.
Love my old 5.6 merk even though it gets 9 us MPG
Europe.. You know, Europe is a continent, not a country. Gas prices differs from country to country
Europe is a union../ as a country should be. (you didnt know it??-where da fuck are you from??).. and the gasoline in Portugal/Spain is 1,40 to 1,60 in Germany..So you need 20 Euros(or USD) for 100 Kilometres in that car!!! what a crime!
Anthony R. Countries have formed a common union yes, but it's more like a defensive alliance
J Gripen so it is UE to..where are you from??? (you got to be american..)
You know what,forget about the cars ... I'm just happy for you bcuz of the way that you're "high" + in such a phenomenal phase ❗ger8 job btw. 👍
Wicked. Makes me proud to of owned my 540i. Next one will be the M5
Much respect to you for being truthful about everything. Good on you for getting a 540i for your first car. Can't say I had that luck when I was 17 because I bought a 240sx and at 23 years of age I now drive an M3 e46, but like you said, dont let people deter you from what you want to buy and do with your car. Haters gon' hate. Nice channel dude !!
i wonder if he ever grew up 25% more in brain function
As a fellow 540i owner, I agree with a lot of what you just said.
I just wish it could have been said in a slightly less sharktooth necklace wearing, not knowing what constitutes the middle of nowhere(hint, it's WAY west of Frederick), manicured eyebrows, kind of way. You know?
There is quite a lot to weigh up
Do u get an M5 for bragging rights or like me buy an e39 525 msport?
They look almost the same apart from wheels badges and exhaust and wing mirrors.
525 msport does 145 mph
0 to 60 in 7.8 seconds
has cheaper insurance and parts repairs .
and on most roads over 70mph you're breaking the limit unless ur on a Bavarian Autobahn.
540i is plenty quick enough for most people
It's just the kudos of having the ultimate Driving Machine.
Interesting, One of the things I like least about the M5, by a HUGE margin, is the steering feel. Really makes it hard to feel when you're approaching the limit.
Still, could be worse-- the EPS in the f10/f30 makes the car absolutely impossible to drive at the limit.
I do suspect that unfortunately the 25% improvement of the M5 over the 540i doesn't translate to parts. I'm guessing there the difference is 200-300%?
Some parts are cheaper. I have found that the M5's S62 is more reliable than the 540i's M62. Many parts are the same or every so slightly more, but some are quite a bit more.
Most of the cost of repairs is labor, so if you have a good indy mechanic it isn't too bad either way. The worst part about BMW repairs is if you go to a real BMW dealer... The typical business model is based on maximizing the cost of warranty repairs.
However, some parts are going to hurt such as: exhaust, catalytic converter, and now even the plastic splash guards are hard to find at a discount ( $300+ each and there are 6 of them -- go ahead and ask how I know :D )
Im going to put this gearbox and engine in a E30 this summer
How'd that work out for you? I assume it didnt happen?
Sam could be said about the mustang gt vs a cobra
I love the cars with the m62b44 740 and 540, i have had both and love the feeling they give. I have also had an alpina with the 4.6 and that is also a good engine
This dude just wanted to go for a ride and talk to himself for a while. Dude, it really sounds like you want an M5. Just buy one?
The biggest difference since I am happy with the 540s power is the suspension and handling upgrades of the m5
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that shark tooth necklace that you got on your vacation to Maui is bayed ayasssss.
You underlined some good facts about all above models. Respect man :) Just got a little carried away.
My self I own an 2003 E39 M62 M package. So i do have a front and a rear bumper of an M5 from factory. Got an M staggered 5 spoke rims from an E38 with a small lip on it 235front and 265back.
I got for $3800 with 368K on it. First time at the truck did 14.4 on the quoter mile. Got a second engine for it with 185K that im dropping in it once this one quits :)
At the moment over winter im working on making it a twin exhaust with MSD at the back and to do that im going to get read of full size spare tire and you have to cut into that space to fit a muffler.
And I prefer 540i over M5 cose you get a lot more for youre money, and theres still tons of room to play and customize.
You cant find a decent M5 for under $16000.
I have a 540i . My dad has an m5 . I can tell u that
540i for smooth, easy, powerful, great all around car .
M5 for performance, noisy, rough, sporty feel. Buy the 540i for
all round great car. Buy the m5 for specific traits !!
Max the Maltese dog what about m5 suspension, is it a lot more harder to work at? or i can switch to stock e39 suspension if someone breaks for more comfort? Also is the S62 very expensive to repair if something will go wrong?
One thing ill miss out on is the lsd and pwer
Sound system ran well too! No fuzzy sound waves or anything
I have one too. Little nuts try to make big revs.
the only reason to choose a 540I over the M5 is you can't afford the cost of ownership. It's ok we all have our financial limitations thats why they have so many configurations for the amazing E39.
but are you trying to make it an m5 tho?
Awesome that you used a Mac Miller track! and sweet video too :) thx for sharing your passion and beautiful Cars!
k I respect your thoughts and I like your video, now what about an 2002 540I Dinan
Nice video. Have an e39 m5 and you capture nicely that 90% of the time all I am doing is driving a car that has an M badge but I am using 1/10th of its potential. Over here now nearly every new BMW has some form of an M badge so even better people no longer know what the e39 m5 is. Nice video, you are lucky to live in a beautiful area.. nice weed whacker at the end
thanks for all the valuable info! and your input! i was going to buy a mr2 but now im super excited to start on my new 540i! yaay!
great video... There is no shame using some M5 parts, i'd so the same. Their quality and performance do have the upper hand and the styling of the M5 is rather nice
i love bmws from that era but idk if i can ever buy a bmw from that time period again.
but will it do what i want? would you say the difference is about 25%?? ...
+1. I've owned my M5 for more than 4 years and drive it like crazy every single time. When i noticed 400 hp isn't cutting it anymore i installed S/C and now i have zero ideas about changing it for something else :)
So say im 18 looking at a 97 540i, it has almost pristine interior and only a few very minor engine problems and 150k miles on it. Few paint issues, but thats no problem. Its $2,800. Would you say go for it its a great car, or ehh probably shouldnt get it ?
Yes that's a WONDERFUL car, for that money. Keep it in that shape, and fix any smaller things that may be wrong with it. If you take care of it, it will take care of you for a very long time.
I dig the video and get that you wanted to clear the waters between the M5 and 540. A lot of times it just sounded like you have M5 envy, haha.
so you obviously swapped out the headliner and the other upper trim on your 540 correct?
+paul g That headliner is also installed in 540i M package only in the year 2003
I have both 540, M3 and M5 Dinan , My 540 seems very fast Plenty of power, M3 pretty much the same But i would say the m5 has more than 25% as stated on your video I have to agree with blackxs on this subject. Al
I plan on making the 540 my next vehicle. I currently drive a 04 WRX which is a significantly different car. I can hypothesize all day on how the torque curve, power output and awd effect the drive SO to those who have actually driven both, how would you compare these two cars?
When I get a chance to drive a 540 I will definitely chime in myself.
They are two VERY different vehicles, you really have to drive one to see how they differ.
Next time I see a 540 roll through Silver Spring MD I'll go all grand theft auto on them, go for a joy ride and return it with a fresh wash and waxing. Thanks.
Dude....I'm not really picking up what you're trying to say. So...you're saying that the M5 is 25% more than the 540? Ha ha! Just kidding. Sweet car.
540i true quad/dual exhaust Yo man, I don't know if you've done your quad exhaust yet but just to help you out. This is my car I still have my spare tire in there but both sides are connected if you are interested I could tell you how it was built.
I got a 523iA. Guess what? I love it :-) If I could afford an M540 or M5, i would get one, but I cant. But even with "only" 170 HP, it is a great car: Safe, comfy, billion extras etc. And to me it is the most beautiful design ever. I just LOVE to get in in the morning and go to work with it, because I still feel superior in an almost 20 year old car. 1.6 tons of power and ingenuity :-) E39
So which 5 series should I get? M5 is out of budget. 540i, 530i, 528i, or 525i?
+Luper 540i is fast but will require more maintenance. 530i isn't slow and will be more reliable and affordable to maintain. 528i will be older and slower, and the 525i is the slowest one with the same reliability as the 530i. I would recommend you drive a 525i, 530i, and 540i, and see what you like vs what your budget might be.
what about a 525i with a 530i swap. What will need to go in the 525i to make that possible?
+Luper while that is possible (you'd just need the engine essentially), I would recommend buying a 530 instead of swapping the 3.0 in.
Bobby O'Hearn gonna be a little harder to find.. but okay. Thanks for your input. This helps.
+Luper you should buy an M5 and do a 525i engine swap
I have a few questions for you. Does the 540i 6-speed have a limited slip diff? How does the ride compare between the two? How does the 540i handle compared to the M5?
540i/6 (Sport) has an open differential. The only limited slip is the M5. The ride of a 540 sport is very similar to an M5, but it;s missing some key braces and components underneath. The difference is noticeable in both ride and handling.
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Is it even more noticeable when you push the car hard around corners ?
homer23422000 Yeah, you can feel it. Not night and day, but the M5 was $15,000 more for a reason.
***** Canadian 540 6spd had an lsd and m-sport suspension. Same part numbers for the suspension as m5. I used an auto logic chip in my 540 and michelin ps2. Almost as quick as an m5, but still a bit of a pretender. M5 is just a beast.
Ive always wanted an m car but they are always so pricey would the 540i be signicantly different? And do you recommend the 540i or m5 as first bmw?
The 540i is expensive to maintain as well. And the 540i doesn't wear an M badge on the trunk lid... which means it IS very different actually. Having driven both, it's easy to tell which one you're driving. Having said that, the 540i isn't anything like the I6 E39s either. And for a first BMW... it depends how serious you are. The M5 is top of the line... but with that comes costly maintenance and harder/more frequent service procedures.