Salesforce long-term career options
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- The Salesforce industry will crash sometime within the next 20 years, guaranteed. What are your career options when that happens, and, what should you do now to prepare for the inevitable?
In this video, I discuss why I think Salesforce will crash sooner than you think, and, what are the most realistic career paths for admins, developers, and technical architects long-term.
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0:00 Why Salesforce will crash
2:28 Admin career options
5:24 Developer career options
9:05 Technical Architect career options
10:15 Update on my career path
admin: management and consulting
dev: tech architect and management
architect: look at relevant upcoming tech
Dave: going from architect to management
Good luck with your career change, David. I hope it has been going well so far. You're the first few people I listened to when starting to learn Salesforce. Thank you!
Depending on the company a Business Analyst wears many hats. You are a consultant, admin, and a Business Analyst
I do not know how I missed this video- but this is honestly the "real talk" that we need to be having with all tech professionals. I always remind people that get versed now, but that there's lots to learn. I'm one of those "people-focused" techies, so so much of this resonated with me (including the fact that I'm diversifying my technical and professional acumen). Great vid!
Thank you for a blunt reminder about the world/job market reality, it's so needed to hear once in a while(or every day?) :)
Great video, David. I appreciate you taking the time to tell-it-like-it-is :). It certainly puts things in perspective and helps us to think a little bit more critically about preparing ourselves for the 5-10-15-20 year future. *ALSO -* I definitely noticed the sweet Dunkey *Game of the Year 2* t-shirt! Love it!
Thank you!! And yes Dunkey is the ****ing man LOL
I hear you man, I just became a manager about three months ago. The great thing about my employer, is that they have a management program that takes about six months. Where are you practice delegation, feedback, reviews things of that nature. And ensuring that your crafting your questioning in a non-biased manner. It has helped a lot!
Significantly late but sending you all the good vibes! Genuinely appreciate your perspective and content.
Thank you!
Thanks so much for your videos they have helped me land an admin position last month after getting two certs. Seeing this video now kind of scared me a little, being that I just started this career path. But I think you are right in that setting myself up for a management position is probably the best bet, long term. Like you I do not think I am a fantastic people person, but it can not hurt to try! Best of luck to you on trying out management again. :) Please keep us updated in future videos👍👍
Thank you Romeo for the well wishes!!! Good luck in your journey too, let's succeed together buddy
Hey David . . . good luck in your management journey, I have been privileged to have been both in purely technical roles as well as senior management and I can safely say that some of my most memorial and rewarding experiences have revolved around building and managing great teams.
Once again good luck!
Thank you Robert!!
Wish you all the best David. Blessed.
WOW! Love your contents and thanks again for shring your personal thoughts around this.
Still, lots of technical roles and technologies (most if them) are still here to stay for ppl career time
Thanks Menny!!!
I've got my first SF Dev job 3 weeks ago, thank you, David!
Good luck with your manager's path.
** It's your turn to say "I will become a Salesforce Tech Manager!" :)
Congrats Aliaksandr!!! And thank you!! I will become a Salesforce Tech Manager LOL
This is just brilliant! It really made me think. I am sure we all gained a good degree of maturity in last 12 minutes. Congratulations!
Thanks!!!
The quality of your videos is superb, When I jumped from a different stack to the salesforce train, the first resource I used was your plural sight course and sfdc99, and I found it excellent not just for your technical skills but for your eloquence and ability to communicate all these concepts, for that reason I think you are an excellent manager and … influencer🤣. I’m constantly paranoid about the “next big thing” and this video help me a lot as a developer in what route to follow.
Thank you Alejandro!!!!!!!!!! Made my day!
What route ?
Sending Good Vibes, you will do great since you are already a great Leader.
I Love these videos,it is like you have a virtual mentor. Much love from Germany
Thank you RavenRock!!!
I've been wondering why you have not posted anything lately :D. Thanks for the video and letting us know how we should shape our career in the long term. Cheers and good wishes for your new role :P
Thank you Prakash buddy!
Waaoww..u r perhaps the only channel who talks so straightforward and is brutally honest🔥
Thank you Ajay!!!
All the best for your future endeavours!
I believe that as long as Salesforce continue to innovate and acquire innovated companies, there will always be job for us. Look at Apple and Microsoft as an example they have always been on top of the game.
I hope so!
It's always good to have a Plan B
@@DaveRider719 what is your planB
I know I’m late and I agree with the prospects of the developer path (and/or technical admin). The only thing I disagree with is the idea that there are no older developers. While software engineering has been around for decades, it has only been widespread since the late 90’s. So developers will get old 🤷🏽♂️
Thank you for giving us a clarity !!
Thank you for bringing this idea of pivoting your career! Can you go more into the writing on the wall though? I'd love to hear what writing you see on the wall.
Nothing really specific aside from we are ripe for disruption due to general market factors outside of Salesforce's control. I don't see any other competitors out there right now
Thank you for your advices.
I'm a Java developer planning in entering the Salesforce Developer path in 2022, good advices indeed.
IT languages are evergreen they will be there at least till you are there. but this cannot be said with guarantee for these CRM software tools like salesforce.
@@Shekhru121 True. I’m stepping out of programming to be honest, I don’t like it enough.
I think you'd make a great manager. I was shocked when you said you aren't a people person.
Sometimes things come at you at a time when you're not ready.
In this video you exhibited foresight, a desire to help and the style of a teacher/professor. All traits of an effective manager.
I think giving the manager route another try is a good idea. Maybe you're underestimating yourself in that regard.
This video will be very helpful for me.
Rooting for you.
*sending good vibes*
Fingers crossed for finding Your own, successful path :>
Thank you!!
Good vibes to you David! I'm sure you will become a great manager!
Thank you Nicolo'!
@@dvdkliu, I need to admit that I'm as paranoid as you with the future and this video made my day, confirming a lot of my ideas. You could also consider some interactive content on Twitch! Yes, this confirms that I'm a nerd, as you already knew from our previous emails, lol!
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Awesome video thank you!
For sure you will be an excellent manager. Take it one step at a time. And yes i agree, managers inspire and organize individuals to grow as what you are doing right now to your subscribers.
Thank you Charles!!!
Im also leaning on Aws cloud, but will explore multi cloud which means navigating through azure and gcp.
I see Me in You bro..! That's exactly what I was thinking too.. Thanks for the insights🤗
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Thanks for the reality check video ! Could you please point to the video where you had explained the answer for admin manager route when you have to manage team of tech resources while you are out of touch with tech work ?
Thank you for such an amazing video. Even I have started preparing for my long term goal of getting into Management. Best of luck to you 👍
Thanks Sumit!!
@@dvdkliu I really liked your videos on Pluralsight. They are very helpful
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Thanks for your honest thoughts, I am always inspired by your videos. By the way I think you will make a fantastic manager 🙂
Thanks Ivie 😁😁😁
This is great. Thanks for putting together a thoughtful video
Thank you for watching!
@@dvdkliu out of curiosity, do you ever consider that maybe you were a good manager who wasn't set up for success?
You can be a great people-person and all the best for your long term goals. Thank you for keeping all people grounded, rather than flying too high into the cloud. Yeah pun and reality! So when the sky clears, there are other clouds to conquer! Cheers!
Cheers Rohan!
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Hi David, Whats your take on UX designer path ? Design is used everywhere if not salesforce i can use design experience in other places asw well ? you thoughts ?
These positions are pretty rare IMO. If you can supplement it with front end skills you'll be fine
I am having 12 yrs Oracle BI experience. Is good idea to switch career to Salesforce from scratch??
David don't you think 20 years too long in such dynamic technology world. For sure I agree with you on Salesforce will be having the same market as of now or not...no one can comment as of now. I also agree with you on admin and consultant path...I think those are at risk in coming 5 to 7 years...
But still consultant are at upper hand as compared to admin as they know business and it's inside view which will help them to survive..
Nice video...loads of thank you for this insight..
Great question! I will go deeper into this in an upcoming video
Thank you, it was enlightening.
Thank you Sapt!!
Imagine some guy talking about Microsoft in 1997 (22 years after being founded, just like SF) saying that it's going to go bust in 20 years and everyone working with the MS product should look to branch elsewhere.
How about Siebel and Yahoo ?
Hi i was a salesforce developer can i switch to Salesforce cpq how the opportunities in cpq
How is it going in the management route?
I hear what you say & imagine Google takes care of their people. But I have seen time & time again managers made redundant in organisations during restructures, particularly in their 40s & 50s. Leaving them in a precarious situation at that age. My approach is to always have a plan b (side incomes) & never depend on a salary.
Side hustle is the way to go!
Good luck on your next career👍
Thx!!!
U got balls to talk on this subject... U r grounded in reality
Thanks Vikram I always appreciate when people appreciate I tell it like it is!
Love your videos @David
Thanks!!!
Hey David - Since I'm a current admin and want to pursue the manager career path in the not so distant future, do you think it'd be beneficial to gain an MBA? Especially if my currently company will pay for it?
If you can get into a well known school then yes. Otherwise hustling an extra 20+ hours a week on the job may be better ROI. It also depends on your company and industry of course.
I’m 32. Considering to get into Salesforce; i work in law but want to make a career change. Any advice?
Go for it bro... I know you can 😊
Thx!!!
Can you advice that a fresher or a entry level graduate should one consider full stack path or Salesforce path as per your thoughts according to this video ?
Salesforce is a safer choice with a weaker top end generally
I am a beginner in Salesforce. Working from last one year as SF developer.
You are a great human.
Interesting.. thanks for sharing.
Cheers!
Excellent video..
Hello, thank your for making this videos!
What's the practical difference between a salesforce admin and a consultant? I believe that the first one is more related to the maintenance of current customers meanwhile the consultants helps in implementation projects and helps business to improve their CRM ecosystem.
Are my thoughts correct? What could anyone add?
Thanks!
Cheers! Consultants have the strongest people skills and are able to think quickly on their feet ✌️ They often have even more Salesforce skills and experience than an admin. Generally, consulting is the end game for the admin path. They get paid a lot more as well. Hope this helps!
@@dvdkliu great David, Thank you for taking the time to answer! Have a great day
Thank you so much
Great insight into something a lot of us forget to consider
Thank you Camden!!
@@dvdkliu You're welcome! I've yet to even land my first SF job but this is still valuable information that I can apply as I plan my career path.
One more video after a long time... 🥰
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@@dvdkliu You are probably one among those few techies who brings happiness to my face everytime I see a new video notification. 🥰 Thanks for doing everything you to do help people.
PS. I know I have told this many time, yet just to remind and express my gratitude I will thank you again because, "SFDC99 was the first website I started learning Salesforce from!"
- Your Fan Since 2015 :)
Thankyou somuch D.I am from India videos helping alot
Is Artificial intelligence or ML effect on jobs in this field
Nope! They are parallel industries right now
Acknowledging everything in this video I have a 2 part question:
1. Is it worth diving into Salesforce as 20 year old with zero Salesforce knowledge?
2. What are your thoughts on fellow CRM competitor Hubspot? I’ve thought about going down the Hubspot admin route because there’s no where near as much competition compared to becoming a Salesforce admin.
For #1 check out my "Should you learn Salesforce in 2020" video. Not much has changed in 2021.
For #2 I haven't seen much traction in Hubspot so far. It has been around a while so at this point I'm skeptical it'll go massive. The next big thing needs to be fundamentally different, just as Salesforce was fundamentally different by adopting the cloud
@@dvdkliu what if i'm 17 with some knowledge but 0 years of experience? And 2 certs
Honestly if my kid was 17 I generally would want them to be more ambitious than to join the Salesforce industry, such is a great industry and safe career choice but I'd want my kid to dream big and gamble 😁😁😁
@@dvdkliu isn't this big?
It's a big industry but it's unlikely any of the work here will ever make a dent in the world. I am probably being overdramatic but what I love about the youth is the ability to dream as big as possible!
dude but they are telling that 24M jobs are ready in 2024 how can it crash the market in future
Sending good vibes
David I wish you all the best!! I feel like you are my teacher, because I watch nonstop your APEX Academy Videos, and follow you on LinkedIn and CZcams, and although I have no doubt that you will succeed in your career, I know how easy it is to loose a lot in the blink of an eye, the world is cruel. Yet I believe in you, and while I am doing everything I can here to get a SF job in Dublin, I will continue to watch all your content ;)
Cheers mate !!
Cheers Mario hope you light it up in Dublin buddy 👊👊
Is Dublin good for Salesforce devs , as i left angular and nodejs , having worked for 3 years in these technology , now i am moving to Salesforce and will be going to Dublin soon . So kindly let me does it have good hope in Dublin .
I just watched one of you other Salesforce video and now this… it has me worried that I shouldn’t apply for Salesforce programs to learn it…. 🥴
Great video and excellent insights - side note, is that a dunkey shirt?? 😂
I'm a huge Dunkey fan, it is LOL. Bought it from his shop
Lmao best salesforce mvp
This is a depressing video man. I have worked with so many different people who are and were developers and several of them wrote in ancient languages. I was surprised to find out that they were still in high demand. Once something becomes the king of the hill, like salesforce has become, it never really truly disappears. I still think that there are people. When the time comes that a new technology comes along that scares you into thinking that your career is over, remember that there are still Unix administrators, cobol developers,. And actually I found out from someone recently, that church I used to attend still uses Novell. I was surprised, but I was not shocked.
One career that you didn’t mention David was sales management. I think with the 10 years experience that I have with getting requirements and learning the sales lingo, moving into a sales management role would be easy. I actually think that I could love into an Regional Sales Manager if I wanted to. That’s not interesting to me, but that is definitely an option.
What are some of the ways or profiles a salesforce marketer can take to move up the ladder?
Hi Dave, i got my job in Salesforce developer in my 23, i am getting a quite low earnings here. if i be consistent, can i make good future from here?
Yes get a bunch of certs!
In addition to certs, change jobs. I doubled my salary by switching jobs
I'm a Business Analyst (i dont use a lot of tech skills unfortunately) with a degree in Finance and info systems. Should I still go for salesforce? I want to change the direction of my career and learn more technical skills. Could you provide some guidance please thank you!
Check out my next video !
@@dvdkliu sounds good. I'm thinking of going towards the developer route and I have the time in the world to learn it but I'm worried because your videos both promote and dissuade salesforce so I'm on the fence... If there's any chance you would be willing to do a zoom meetup with me, I'd like to talk to you for 10-15 minutes as this is a life-changing decision and if I'm going to go do it, I want to do it all-in.
I am just now realizing how my videos can be interpreted differently then I am going for 🤣🤣 I think the video launching in 12 hours will answer you questions. If not I'm doing a live stream this weekend where you can ask again. Info in the video tomorrow!
@@dvdkliu thank you! Hopefully this will guide me into pursuing Salesforce or AWS!
What vlogging equipment do u use?
Got a vid on this my "$4500 Zoom Setup" vid that goes into detail!
Sir sap vs Salesforce which one is better career opportunity
Salesforce today for sure
@@dvdkliu i am digital marketing I want to switch my career to Salesforce but I don have coding knowledge which languages should I learn first
Right here! www.sfdc99.com/apex-academy/
100%
I wonder what is the company emergining today that will eat Salesforce lunch one day...
Not sure when Salesforce is trying to stay relevant by acquiring companies like Tableau, Heroku, and Slack
I feel like admin roles have made a comeback in the last few months.
I hope so!
I’m taking your coding class this week just as back up.
It's free this weekend btw: www.pluralsight.com/offer/2021/q3-free-weekend
In twenty years...I'm going to be retired...from Salesforce (I hope).
Same or at least transition back to freelance web development if Salesforce face more competition
Is a business analyst an admin?
Yes it's a natural progression of an admin
@@dvdkliu thanks I am thinking of completing Google data analysis course that comes with a certificate as well as teach how to use tech like Tableau an R before I go into becoming a sales force developer. Would that help me with finding an entry level job an becoming a better salesforce developer by also getting that Google data analyst certificate.
No, those wouldn't help you become a Salesforce developer at all. Just get platform 1 dev and apply for jobs while trying to get platform dev 2. That is the most direct path
@@dvdkliu ok thought it might help me stand put on my resume lol
Crm jobs demand me rahegi hamesha.
Thankyou for the doomsday advice !
Also can you please tone down the click baity videos a tad bit ? That would be great ! Thanks !
I thought this title was pretty tame 😅
Bro don’t scare people first of all and grow up. If you are in tech field you gotta keep updating yourself every year, there’s no way anyone can escape. I have been watching you here and there scaring people, you yourself don’t know where you will be, whether you will be alive or not in 10 years
True words. Sounds like you've got a good head on your shoulders you understand the need to keep up. This is mainly for those cruising along. If you're the type to keep learning then you don't have much to worry about
@@dvdkliu Right, but you should not portray your videos like it’s bad for people to join salesforce career. In most videos you show salesforce career are negatively, which should not be…every tech has its peak time until new tech rolls out, that’s a normal tech cycle and currently it’s salesforce era in CRM and it’s not going away anytime soon, it’s here to rule CRM and probably even stay forever who knows
I think CZcams just promotes the gloom and doom videos I have. I have a lot of pro Salesforce videos that probably get lost in the algorithm. Also, I usually wait till the end of my videos to say the positive stuff, but most people don't get that far. My overall message really is that Salesforce is great as long as you plan ahead and take meaningful steps towards improving.
This made me think of it🤔
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I think salesforce is a SoftBank product for cc get a job victims. Cpared to a Japanese job, they're the tour group to the zen garden. It's the great mush filler pig money Lol
Amazing - No BS content. I really love it and it is helping me tremendously in guiding my career. So many other SF content creators are saying that Admin world is growing. David - thank you for validating what I felt in my gut.
Thank you Craig!!!!
What indicator, not generic information, but true metric, statistical evidence is there that Admin jobs are going away? My concern is we base our "facts" off of a logical thought process and not off of truth. All Salesforce roles are evolving because Salesforce is evolving as a platform. Why does someone need to lose because of that? Why do we have to draw a line and say your career path is shrinking and your a liar... why can't companies evolve and the professionals on those platforms evolve with it?
@@SalesforceForEveryone I'm enjoying the Admin job I landed in March :) They are certainly there I had 4 job offers for entry-level Admin roles so there are plenty available.
To paraphrase Steve Jobs - metrics are backwards looking. Predictions are forwards looking. You can't buy stocks just by looking at metrics. There has to be a deeper level of understanding that metrics don't capture. This video is based on my personal understanding of the industry.
EDIT: just saw the comment thread on this. I have nothing against courses or anything like that. Not even trying to start a debate on admin vs dev vs whatever. This channel is basically just a personal diary for me that I'm doing mainly for fun. Got nothing against anyone who disagrees, I realized these are complex topics and me living in CA is very different than someone in Australia, for example. No bad blood here let's all succeed together
@@dvdkliu totally agree, all just opinions. No bad blood 😁