Cheap Citroën C6 Project 6: Setting up the SUSPENSION with a French laptop & GEARBOX verdict
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2024
- With a new valveblock fitted, attention turns to getting the C6 to sit at the right ride height, and the moment of truth on the gearbox...
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To discuss Citroens at a Teddy Bear's Picnic - use the bear-lingo.
Oh, no. No, no, no, no....
Hi, I was the chap who sold you the gearbox. I can confirm it worked absolutely perfectly in all circumstances.....hot, cold, motorway and town
Reason for removal was body damage and crazy prices to have it repaired
Loving the series and glad another C6 is being saved using the parts from "YJ57"
Good to hear.
Ah that's good (or bad, depending on how you view it). I thought I remember you saying it was sound. I suspect the valve block was 'tired' but still functional, and that switching it over has done it no favours.
I love the look of these cars, and the lengths Citroen went to in order to achieve a smooth, quiet refined ride. But the complexity they’ve introduced in order to achieve this means this type of car will never be around in 20 years like a 60s DS will be. There is something to be said for simplicity of design and especially for common replaceable parts.
And sadly these cars in the UK cost a fortune to tax every year - £615!
To be fair, people said the same about the XM, and compared with many other newer cars, the C6 isn't too complex at all.
The tax is crippling (especially considering it's actually a very clean vehicle) but abroad it's much worse. I'll enjoy it while I'm able/can justify it.
In the Netherlands around 1750 pounds!!
Hi Rich...love your videos. Two smal things about the door error and water on the the diesel filter. The one on the door errases itself putting down and up the window continously. The water on the filter move a little bit the sensor on the bottom of the filter: contact defficincy. Also when the sistem pressurizei the suspension, with engine running, put up and down the car there times and move lero and right the steering wheel. Cheers!
What does turning the steering wheel do?
The C6 is pure Art i love this car. Here in Brazil, Citröen Sold them for Only One Year (2007-2008). Only 18 C6 was Sold.
Yeah i saw one for sale the other day on OLX, the guy was asking about R$20,000. Old, but still looks amazing!! O motor V6 deve beber um monte!!! Nao tenho bolso!! What model do you drive??
Wow, that's even rarer than here!
This is truly a car for the detail nerds among auto mechanics.
As a fellow C6 owner and someone who does all the work on these myself as well for the last 7yrs. I can personally feel the issues your coming up against. At times these C6s will push back at you. But your clearly intelligent & fairly patent and your used to Citroens in general so you’ll get it sorted properly in no time. I’ll give an example. It’s taken me a long time to replace the coolant hoses for the car I even after all that it would not seal. Eventually I found the reason. The non Citroen Radiator was leaking slowing in a place I could see easily. So not the bullet and bought the actual Citroen radiator and problem solved. No more slow loss of coolant. The after market parts aren’t in my opinion very good. I’ve had issues also with ABS sensor not lasting very long. But again the Citroen one lasted.
You sort that cad soon. But it’s a car that needs Idir decent second hand parts or original Citroen part unfortunately.
I´m glad my diagbox is in english!! Fascinating that center tool for measuring the heights, makes sense.
I am sure the language can be changed :D because we had it originally in English, but our mecanic is Spanish, so we switched the language for him.
@@fulminatorc6 Cool, never noticed that option. When you install it you can choose the language at least. I've used it in Portuguese. Some of the translations leave you scratching your head though!!
Good work, Rich. See you soon, I hope.
Don't lose heart Rich - I have absolute faith in your ability to get the C6 singing again! Will all be worth it in the long haul 👌🏻
Very impressive, that C5 would try the patience of a saint..
Especially as it's a C6, yeah!
thoroughly enjoying this project, didn't really appreciate these for what they are. somebody in my area used to have one but now has a C5, still has the weird curved rear windscreen
If you refit the level plug (the little one that goes in the level tube, then fill it, you can do it on one go, run the box to temp then check it..
Whilst it's probably clutching at straws, I assume you did initialise the box ecu after changing the valve block as well as resetting the oil counter?
It'll be bangy as hell after doing that, you need to drive it through a sequence for the ecu to learn what's going on in the box on relation to throttle position and road speed..
I thought I did, but now I'm doubting myself.
Is it worth taking your old valve body apart and seeing if there was an issue with it ?
Sonnax have a diagram for the AW TF-80SC which has some useful part numbers and symptoms/diagnosis information, they can also supply a rebuild kit.
Harsh shifting and gear flare are usually caused by the Valve body not engaging the clutches properly not the clutches themselves
It could be, yeah, though if I can just get it driving nicely, I'll be happy!
I would absolutely love a C6 and almost purchased one a few weeks ago but I need a car that will start and run 7 days a week and these c6 really scare me. I bought a 300c estate instead and the joys of churning it over every morning with crossed fingers 🤣
Oil level plug and the funnel “accessory” bring back (not so good) memories of numerous gearbox oil flushed with C5s.
Most Excellent! Thanks for sharing! Looks very interesting. Looks like this could take some learning.
Sorry about the gearbox, what a douleur dans les fesses. Very interesting to see how the suspension stuff works.
Enjoying the C6 project.👍 A cheap car doesn't stay cheap for long though. At least you save on labour charges by doing the jobs yourself. I couldn't choose out of the two big Citroens the C6 & the C6 on which I would like to own, so I'll be greedy & have both.😆
oooooh look you've got an SM
The passenger mirror problem is the low battery. It always that when the battery is on the way out and only the left side passenger side.
Does it went the battery is fully charged, to be fair. The actual function doesn't work, either.
@@UPnDOWN don't be suprised if your battery is undersized and/or on it's way out. When it was doing it with mine, everthing else was fine. My battery was undersized and had died a few times over lockdown with lack of use when it started happening. New battery and dissapeared completely. Although tbh it's the least of your worries right now :D
Absolutely brilliant, thank you
I hope the gearbox does get sorted.
This is a gorgeous Citroën, extremely complex. So I understand why these are in such low numbers in the UK 🇬🇧, much too complex for the average owner.
Excellent job!
I don't think they're *more* complex than many modern cars, to be honest, but they're definitely different. There are plenty of people out there who know how to drive VAGcom and do all manner of clever stuff with VAG cars, but with the C6 I just don't think the interest is there for most, which I find baffling personally!
Great video as always mate, very informative, sorry to hear about the gearbox but loved how you set up the ride on the C6.
soon one will be mine, wel maintained so the 2.7 will be in excellent shape
Gonna make sure i can keep her as long as my wallet allows me.
Got a good c5 gearbox auto 2.7 been standing for 18 months but was no issues at all still in the car 🚗
From what I remember it is a C5 box a 20gg09
@@kevinelkins9955 same engine 2.7 v6
this just reminded me that i might have to check up on my XM if my sporadic fault for fuel supply to the Suspension ECU showed up again, because thats a thing...
10:20 never knew where those cones where for when i worked at a Peugeot dealer from 2012 to 2018. You answered a life question in this vid 😂
You can sleep soundly now!
@@UPnDOWN From where did you get the tool? I was looking for one for ages, and can´t find it anywhere!!!
Sorry about the gear box, But love watching your methodology. Again still a great deal for £750.00 + Want to swop for my 10 year old Yaris? Really Yes , no I know its not cool but its well behaved more than it could be said of the driver! Looking forward to a day out at Centre Pod with you in the C6 and Ian in Bella the Belingo.
Screw Bella, I reckon the C6 could have a pop at Betty, eh @HubNut ?
Yes Betty would be a better test
Mettre le contact means switch on ignition. Without cranking.
Dégivrage fault seems to be something with the mirror de-icing output or maybe de-activation
diagbox does allow you to change the language to english, and PSAs translation is better than VWs.
It does normally, yeah. Mine's not being normal, sadly...
O man I haven’t laughed so much in ages… dont give up your day job to become an audio describer….
Great content again
… sorry should have saved the light hearted comment until I’d played all the video …. Could feel your disappointment.
There is always a place for light-hearted comments, don't apologise! It's only a car, too.
If you couldn't read French before this, you should be getting good by the end of it. Land Rover P38 you just got a set of alloy blocks to sit between the axle and the body and the ECU did the rest, apparently there is such a thing as French sophistication, very interesting. You can't be expected to get it all in one go, but you will in the end. Thank you.
The block idea is actually quite a good one, in fairness.
Would you ever own a simple car?
Happy to watch this (great vid) but also makes me so happy I drive a Morris Minor :¬)
I own a Hillman Imp, an Iveco Daily and a Reliant Fox.... :-p
@@UPnDOWN Ah sorry, I forgot, dont see much maintenance stuff on those :¬)
@@RedHunter500 I forget I own them too, sometimes 😆
Fingers with a few miles on it, it'll sort itself out. I had a C4 12 plate that always had clonky autobox with only 10,000 miles on it, my Peugeot 308 is as smooth as they come, but I think that's because it's Japanese, well the labels say so.
That looks like Diagbox.. pretty sure you should be able to vin code with it.
I've certainly coded 407 displays and RCZ radios with it.
VIN code what? Sorry I don't follow
@@UPnDOWN You mentioned changing the gearbox ecu. Unless I got the wrong end of the stick. I was 3 beers in by this point.
My first thoughts on a clunking auto tranny is the solenoids, especially on Aisin-Warner gearboxes. They can be sticking or worn out. Change those out, if you can.
Well, I changed the whole valve block in one go. I may well try the solenoids in the old one though, and see what difference it makes.
There seem to be a strange fault that the automatic mirror retraction I think is linked to the setting on the daytime running lights if I remember right
They're switched off, anyway.
When the software says "Mettre le contact" which translates to "Put the contact", it actually means "Place the ignition to "ON" . I'm surprised it let you continue without an error message....Oh well, "C'est la vie"
I did have it on already, happily.
Could they possibly have made a car more difficult to repair and maintain? Glad you think they are worth effort and are willing and able to persevere.
Oh yes, they definitely could!
Hi Kitch. Re the passenger door mirror dipping or not, on my XM I cleaned up the electrical connectors in between the main loom and the door loom and that fixed it. Mostly.
Sorry to hear that the automatic hasn´t been resolved. That sucks big time mate. I guess you´ll just swap it with the one you have... easier said than done.
About the mirror fault code : dégivrage is defrosting.
I wonder if the C5 mirror glass I've fitted isn't 'talking' to the ECU!?
@@UPnDOWN either it is saying nothing or not talking about what the ecu expected it to.
I’ve driven a C6 , wonderful . You keep talking about a computer er
Imagine being so eager to pick fault with somebody's enunciation that you smash 'enter' so quickly you didn't spot a typo...
I have an 'o level' in French - somewhere!
Wow. Never realised these were so complicated. One thing puzzles me. When talking to the car via the laptop in French and it's asking near side/off side do you have to take into account it's right hand drive not left?
Very good point. Luckily it uses Left/Right terms, so there's no confusion.
Plus the car knows it's RHD. It's only the langauge on the laptop that's jammed in French.
Greetings fellow hydraulic suspension num nuts.
we have got the likes of mercedes bmw audi , but no thank you please , we will have headaches one.
mind you my C5 runs like a dream
Contact is the ignition. Mettre le contact = turn on ignition. Couper le contact = turn off ignition.
HELP!!! GOT MY SUSPENSION POMP FIXED, GOT IT BACK (WORKING PERFECTLY OUTSIDE THE CAR), ASSEMBLED IT AND NOW IT DOESNT WORK. ERROR MESSAGES ARE COMUNICATION DEFFAULT WITH FRONT AND BACK SENSORS AND CSI UNIT...ANY IDEAS PLEASE? CAN IT BE WATER ON CONNECTIONS(NOT LIKELY, THE CAR WASNT MOVED WHILE FIXING THE POMP). MANY THANKS. I AM DESPERATE...
Hi, it could be poor connections, yes, but nigh on impossible to say from here I'm afraid. Could be anything.
From where did you sourced the Teddybear´s table? I want one, and can´t find :(
Got lucky on eBay.
@@UPnDOWN I looked there but I have no idea under what name should I search for it :D teddybear's table doesn't give me the thingie :D
I found it on eurofrance24 under name Wheel Hub Original Citroen Peugeot C5 C6, part no. 9973 Q5 and was able to order it locally ☺️
How many miles on this car?
Not sure what it had back then, but it's got about 165,000 now.
Hope you get somewhere with the gearbox... I just watched this from one of the Wichita Kansas CZcamsrs.... not sure if it's relevant to what you're experiencing with the C6 ? Full servce kit for the valve block... at least it might help you inspect the one that came out of the car and understand all the solenoids and seals etc, perhaps something is wrong in a common failure point on both of yours ?
czcams.com/video/CBhpwIWLBLg/video.html
Thanks, will check it out.
Should have bought an AU instead!
Hahaha! I wonder how one would compare in my day-to-day life...?
Correction Senta Pod (Dummy)
You still got it wrong lol, it's Santa Pod!
@@sanmiguel4019 Thanks for the correction !
@Roland Livings - You tried! And I knew what you meant. I do need to go back to Pod, haven't been for ages!
as we use to say at my old garage its French!!!!!!!!!
What is, the Japanese gearbox?
@@UPnDOWN the badge
Ahhhh!
@@UPnDOWN anyone who repairs French cars has my deepest respect👍🙏
I don't know why, they're actually pretty simple. When I had a Vauxhall Vectra in years ago that you couldn't remove a rear brake caliper retaining bolt without dismantling the suspension, that's when I started swearing.
I suppose you think that's funnel!
(Sorry).
I'll need a written apology for that one on the blackboard, Bart Simpson-style.
Bloody predictive text , should have compu er is actually computer with a ‘t’ in the word .
And your surname should begin with a capital letter, but we can't all be perfect, Colin.
Not like you to be so deflated, but I guess cars can do that sometimes. Been there and bought many many t-shirts 🙄
For continuity 😆