Differences between military and civilian 850J John Deere dozers
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2022
- In this video we discuss the differences between the military and civilian John Deere 850J dozers
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The civilian dozer comes with an optional feature where you can add a concrete bunker.
Best comment by far. Tread on them!
That's more a Komatsu feature.
yeah but you then have to attack Colorado after driving trough a muffler shop lol
Sometimes reasonable men are forced to do unreasonable things.
Killdozer go Brrrrrrrrrr!
With the price of fuel, you might want rifle holders in the civilian models too.
Lol
Exactly
That hits harder everyday
For sure
just in case you wanted to become 3 finger joe
my military generator has a battle mode, it bypasses all the safety features like temp and oil pressure and just keeps running
Called the battle short switch. Be aware tho just cause I've seen it it can also cause the AVR to go off line and cause over voltage or frequency issues that can fry electronics in your house.
@@MrPetter121 I already learned that the hard way.
@@dirttdude lol
What model do you have and from wich manufacturer
@Larry Powell it'll let you over load the gen when in battle short, they can run slightly over what they're rated for for a short period but it'll let you do whatever you want to it. It'll let you do as much damage to it as you can when in battleshort.
Paint & emissions systems. The military versions are the way to go to avoid DEF and exhaust regen cycles.
Rules for thee not for me.
@@johndelta00 Not a great example. Stopping to regen on a tight combat schedule is not a reasonable ask. Civilian aircraft diesels don't have def or regen either.
@@mytech6779 way I see it, if the government sees themself exempt from a law, i see myself exempt as well.
These military versions are a tiny percent vs the commercial versions and certainly run for tiny hours too. Most of their life they sit.
I was a heavy equipment mechanic for the Marine Corps for 4 years. I loved the job but wanted more out of the corps so i changed to a combat mos. I'm planning to get out after this next 4 years and want to get back into heavy equipment as a civilian. I have a ton of experience working on the 850J R and it is one of my favorites simply because of how simple it is to work on. Also in the Marine Corps, we call it the MCT Medium Crawler Tractor. Now being a Combat Engineer, i get to see the operators use the Tractor in the field and I'm truly amazed how well it operates. And to explain the reason we have the larger blade is because we have a mine rake that attaches to it to rake mines and IEDs out of the ground. This rake is made to clear a path wide enough for our widest trucks to pass through the obstacle. Love this video and love what you've pointed out. I've never seen a side by side comparison of military vs civilian gear.
That’s cool
I’d like to see a pic of the rake that goes on them
Is the dozer capable of withstanding the blast from a mine without damage? I've ran a 650 quite a bit with a root rake in the log woods and assume the mine rake would look something the same.
Thank you for your service too sir.
Where are you located or planning on living once you decide to leave the military?? I'm in South Florida (Palm Beach County) Just wondering as I'm currently a GC & looking to begin buying my own machines ALSO because I'm applying for a Class 7 FFL to buy, sell, build, & modify firearms along with the tactical gear & body armor I've been dealing over 13 years. I figure you probably know just a tiny little bit about all those things. 😂 Seriously though lmk what you think but most importantly thank you very much for your service & stay safe! ❤️🤍💙🇺🇲✌️🤙
@@C_CEQUIPMENT I agree!!
Can you make a video or some shorts of your kit, the vehicles, attachments & maybe some of you doing the job?! That'd be awesome! I know a lot of people would be interested in this "can't do without" work. Also a few friends are CZcamsrs who do military stuff & would help get you out there...
This was cool to see the differences. I like the way the military uses all the same batteries in everything and the lifting hooks are crazy beefy !!! Pretty cool. Thanks Clint
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Got to pick them up with helicopters
@@briankellogg7241 Them and cranes. I saw some loaded onto a civilian ship, think they were surplus.
@@wheturangi that's how they ship vehicles to war zones. I know all the Army bases have rail yards, so when we get ready to deploy, loading hundreds, if not thousands, of vehicles onto rail, is part of it. Usually if you see the trains carrying mil vehicles across the country, they're heading to some port, to be shipped overseas.
Worked at John Deere DUbuque Works back in 1977-1980, saw some of the 850's back then shipped out, did not realize the differences.
This man is a master to be able to explain all of this so quickly and accurately.
You can't fake or cheat your way to this kind of knowing.
I work for a company that makes military forklifts and from what I've seen most of the comfort items are as basic as it gets but the running and use items are meant to work no matter the conditions. Most of the stuff we build has lifting eyes and strapping points added as well. The only weird thing is they are controlled with breakers instead of fuses. And I don't mean electric trucks either im talking all mechanical diesel engine trucks. Everything from 3 ton units up to the 10 ton trucks. Thanks for the video.
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Can always reset a breaker
Fuse blows and you ain't got a backup, SOL
@@maxman1244 you can take the inside foil from a pack of Marlboros and limp a fuse till you get another... that is if you smoke i guess. Lol
That's cool. I didnt know they did that. Breakers are better than fuse, they serve the same purpose as fuses but they're reusable. I'd like to have a breaker box in my vehicle instead of a fuse box. I bet it's a pretty expensive upgrade/option.
Is the electronic military stuff you guys make or work with also hardened against EMP ?
having breakers instead of fuses is actually kinda smart and idk why all vehicles don't have that
There is no reason a civilian needs that assault dozer with its high capacity blade and armored cab. That's a machine of war. ; )
I'm surprised this didn't get more thumbs up 😂. Almost as good of a comment as the killdozer!
Interesting to see what Uncle Sam considers important, especially since they are spending our money. I worked for CAT where we built motor graders, off road trucks, and tractor-scrapers. We had a area to paint and make the "changes" to military. The craziest build we did was for the Canadian National Highway.
They bought 627 twin engine tractor scrapers(our smallest scraper). They painted them pink, added a big v-plow, then fill the bowl with sand(for weight) to plow snow. They sent us a picture of a Volkswagon that was hit by one of those critters. It was hard to tell what it had been. Those 627's would run 40mph.
I bet
Wow. That sounds impressive, would love to see the picture if you still have it kicking around.
You should see some of the plows flying through the Coquihalla highway
@@devond8019 I watch the shows "Highway Through Hell" and "Heavy Rescue 401". The "tandem teams" they run on the 400 series roads boggles the mind.....
@@danielpullum1907 yeah man it’s wild I’m from Canada myself. Worked in some remote areas and the engineering feats you see sometimes is wild. Once seen a train of 6 trucks tugged behind a d6 lol
Hi there! As a former Marine Corps Heavy Equipment Operator (97-05) I can hopefully answer some of your questions about heavy equipment that we use. Here are some simple ones that I've seen in the comments so far:
1. No heavy equipment that I've ever seen stateside or in a combat theater is NBC sealed. If that were necessary the NBC unit overseeing that particular mission would work with the engineer support battalion to create it as a one off.
2. Marine Corps equipment does not have A/C. Other branches might depending on how flushed with cash they are at the time of ordering. Trust me, 118* in southern Iraq in a scraper with no AC is not fun...
3. The electronics are NOT emp hardened. Just sealed in resin at the mains and important junctions for vibration and element resistance.
4. As late as 2005 when I got out, I've only seen grade control systems on Navy equipment. At our MOS school we are taught to operate on feel, and what the younglings would consider "old school." The grade control stuff is used only on airstrips.
Let me know if you have any other questions!
Thanks for this. I'ts amazing to think that there is a huge network just to supply the military with a tractor.
That color green is just dope af. I would choose the military version over the civilian any day of the week. Just has that rugged look and you know everything is just beefier and more robust that the civilian.
Not really 😂
@@tpbforlife3323 someone drank the "mil spec" coolaid lol.
Milatary one is less comfortable though
Coming from someone who’s a dozer operator I would bet money the civilian 850 from its air ride side, radio and lighter weight would be much more comfortable when spending 10 hours a day in it
@@ATK111 Oh I don't doubt it. But look at the oversized and beefed up equipment and that OD green just oozes coolness. But I am not an operator, so I will defer to the professionals on this topic. Just from a dumbass observer like myself, that mil spec dozer is an eye catcher!
Its really good to have a knowledgeable presenter explain these things in detail.
I can see how your customers can come to you with the confidence that you will be able to answer any questions they have.
I ran a military spec Cat and it came factory with the DEF and emission delete on it. I thought that was pretty cool.
Yep
Polluting the planet is the true american way
pretty cool the military spec'd units share that many parts with their civvie counterparts. makes life and guys like you Clint so much easier. the slight differences and tweaks are to be expected
Good info! Thanks for taking the time to explain the differences!! Stay safe!!
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to educate us!
No problem
Always cool to see someone so knowledgeable about their line of work. You’re a true expert. Cheers man
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I have a D7G LGP military. It has 28 inch pads is very stable for grading. Ours had a 50 cal mount on top of rops. Ours has a winch. One thing we noticed, we had to change every hose and installed new engine at 2000 hrs. Everything with rubber went bad, we think because they sit for 20 years rubber cracked. Other than that its a dependable tractor.
Interesting
The ones with top 50 cal mounts generally have the mounts on the underside as well. I've never seen them not have it at least
Excellent video, I greatly appreciate your help explaining the two types of 850J’s
Excellent Clint! I really appreciate your explanation of the differences.
Just a FYI if your wondering we mainly use is JP-8 which i totally spilled today filing a generator! it smells great, doused my hands in some too working on some military stuff, nice thing is we basically have a universal fuel that we can use for everything from helecopters, jets, to your Humvee! Also we use NSN's mainly (national/NATO stock number) we do have part numbers but rely mainly on that.
Yep
the military 850 is absolutely the way to go..just the bigger cooling system makes it worth it. can run it hotter, longer and harder. no choice in my opinion and not an option but the military version
Why is that not standard?
@@philup6274 cost
@@johnmidwest5650you stupid its greed..
Awesome video bud, i love your channel you keep it simple, straight forward and teach people things! Thanks
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I’d guess the reason the military dozer doesn’t have the opening vents is for chemical weapons protection, easier to seal a non opening window.
or its just slightly cheaper. military spec means made by the lowest bidder.
@@nick4506 to a certain standard. Why is that a bad thing? You’d be crying if the military used the most expensive bidder.
@@nick4506
I don’t know how many of these were ordered in military spec, but given tooling change costs and other costs inherent with a change my bet would still be on changed for a specific purpose rather than cost. The machine was already in production so changing the design will always incur extra cost!
The glass could be bullet proof from the bolt in design and it could be that it is easier / cheaper to keep it one piece.
All that said, it could be the lowest bidder as you suggest, only the procurement department and John Deere will know the true answer! 🤷♂️
@@grahamstretch6863 glass panels are made in big sheets then cut into shape by computer controlled glass cutters. there is no extra tooling cost to ordering the glass in a different shape, same process with polycarbonate. and as he said the rest of the changes other than the ac are just bolt on/weld in that dont change the standard parts. its even optioned with the cheaper vinal and spring seat.
@@flight2k5 just saying its green so it must be good isint always true.
Great video Clint enjoyed watching and learning something new today 🇺🇲
Thank you, sir! I really enjoyed this video! Much thanks for taking the time to explain the differences! Have a great day!
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Thank you for talking about difference. My JD time was on a 450-C. The ( T) handle blade control, The clutch pedal. That tells you something about my age. This was late 70s. All contractors in my area loved those 450 Dozer's. Have you ever had problem with the old Dozer on what I call a Alaska overhaul. On one a friend bought. The over spray of yellow paint, got inside fuel screen. They had a screen on tank. The paint had plugged screen. We keep have a surge in engine. Then die. It was starving for fuel. We thought it was the fuel pump.
Thanks for the video. This was fun to see the differences between the two.
It was a great video as always, thank you for your time, keep going .
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Great comparison between the machines, lots of knowledge there Clint.
I really enjoy "reading" these videos with those that have the knowledge of detail and description
Wealth of knowledge, thanks for sharing.
As always a educational video THANKS
Hey Clint!! Thanks for the video. Nice to know the differences between them.
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Thank you for pointing to the bolts, glass, etc...I literally wouldn't have seen them without your pointing them out.
It would be cool to see a side by side on the Cat R models if you ever got a pair in stock.
People often talk crap about I'll buy it, and never do so I won't say it.but,I will say it this way, if,things go as planned, I may start a business, small one,ponds,driveways,retaining walls,etc,and if it does happen, I'll buy everything from you guys.Very honest,and good folks
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I was going to ask about the fuel but you covered that! Thanks!
I’d love to see more of these videos! This was a very cool rundown.
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"Its expensive, to buy from John Deere" Yep. That sums up the company alright.
5/18/22. Very nice video 2day on comparing Military vs. Civ JD 850J Dozers. Clearly you know yur stuff on these big dozers. Hope you sell 'em all! Your experience has value...your knowledge of components: blades, cabin/cab, rear end winches or big rippers...on & on...Thx for time spent showing we YT viewers the details & referring those interested to actual owner/user (DirtPerfect) who has the Military unit & is currently using it.
Much enjoy yur channel, yur well organized shop, welding equip, lathe, cnc welding table, heavy duty air lifting jacks...just on & on...
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Thanks buddy! I have yet to see one of the military version up here in northern Canada but I sure enjoyed seeing the differences!!!!
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We have sent 6-8 or them up there
Some we painted yellow
Hell I thought they just took a regular dozer and painted it green and boy howdy I was wrong! Thank you for sharing this!
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you sure were, its shittier and 10x the price
Great video Clinton thank you for sharing this information with us
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Clint you and your guys are at the top of the Equipment Game! Really enjoy your worK!
That was a neat side by side between the two, thanks! I wish you were closer I would be asking to come to work for you and gain some more of your knowledge! Thanks again take care!
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Thanks Clint another good educational video, very enjoyable.
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Clint great video! Thanks for sharing! Kevin
Very cool video, thanks for posting it.
Nice job as usual Clinton! Keep 'em coming.
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Great Video Clint!
I’m pretty sure unbolting the cab is also a feature that allows the military one to be swapped out with an up armored cab.
Very interesting Clint. Thanks for taking the time to show us around the 2 dozers.
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ANOTHER FANTASTIC PHENOMENAL VEDIO.
Thanks for the explanation on the differences on the J’s. Thanks for the video young man.
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Thanks for sharing this great information enjoyed seeing your video!
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Awesome salesmanship.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge !
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That military JD looks brand new and so nice looking, it also has a toolbox on the back of machine.
That's were they keep the green paint to make it look new.
It is a rifle mount not a SAW storage mount. The side cove is vented on the military dozer. The lifting hook you pointed out first is a tie down hook. Rear tool box is for the BII(Basic Issue Items). On the John Deere website you actually just put in the serial number of the machine especially since there are changes in the parts through a model type in one year model from the beginning of the year to the end of the year.
Always very interesting and a bloke who knows his stuff Thanks for the video
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Thanks for the info.
It's neat to see the differences laid out like that. I'd love to see what the Florida Forest Service ones are based on. From what I remember, they've got a pretty extensive suite of modifications to 'em for working brush fires.
Yep
Maybe I will do a comparison on the fire dozers one day
@@C_CEQUIPMENT Would love to see it. Any specialty equipment comparison would make a great video! Thanks for this one!
GR manufacturing does the upfits for FFS dozers. Aside from the stuff they do and the LGP track pads they are civilized tractors. I work there, we need these military ones
@@quailman352 we buy allot of screen kits for 700j and k dozers from gr
Our central shop in lake city also does some fabrication to them as well. They cut the blades down or make V Blades, add a quick release hitch system, do other odds and ends but mostly GR does it all.
Great video Clinton keep them coming please
Very cool Clinton
I did not realize how different they are
Awesome video 👍
Your equipment knowledge is stellar.
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That was a great video thanks for taking the time. Stay safe
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I look forward to coming home from work and distressing watching one of your videos
I like the green, looks badass.
Dude you know you stuff it was impressive keep it up thanks. 🥇
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I didn’t catch the year but the obvious question on the newer ones is def, I already know the answer but was waiting for it
Enjoyed the video
Thanks for the video on the 850 an the 850J like your Channel keep it up Bean From Va
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lover the vid my first one looking forward for more
Made for a great video bro. Safe travels
Thanks for the info. Enjoy your videos.
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👍👍Lotta great info as usual Clint
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Dude !!!! Thank you for this video !!! I'm not really an operator never sat in a bull dozer yet ... but I've always wanted to know the differences!!!
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Very interesting. Thanks!
Clint, great video, thx.
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Thanks Clint 👌👍🇬🇧
great info on the 850s
Good info, thanks
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
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Hi from uk guys👋👍 clint thanks for this 👍 its amazing how different 2 identical machines can be👌 but mainly just for army specs! And yeah was great watching the lads repad the chains for Mike's 850 and was epic watching mike and man behind the schene get tracks back on 👍 I wonder if jet fuel makes them work quicker 😂 be funny watching dozer take off😂 or getting para dropped from 10k feet ( lift eyes would hold wonder if parachute could tho) I still look for jeep hanging from crawler for some reason your intro has not been the same since you sold her lol and kevin done awesome job on the army 850👌 thanks for your time and be safe see you soon👍👋
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Hey fuel is just kerosene with more additives.
That makes it sound so much less cool though 😎
I operated an 850 with a 14 foot 6 way blade. Wide pad.
I literally have never watched a video about tractors but this was pretty cool.
Clint, great video. I personally like the military version. Thanks for sharing.
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Idk y ut maybe its because you seem like you help anybody but you one hell of a likable dude I'd buy stuff from you if I lived closer.thanks for the information on the differences
Enjoyed it, Much thx!!
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Great video not just of the two machines but of the walking dozer encyclopedia know as Clint well done AGAIN
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Crazy how governments spec equipment. When I was at the State we were replacing out JD motor graders. They were off the shelf units. Galion got the bid. We had specs for 24V lighting. The dealer would get a grader from the manufacturer and then make a new secondary wiring harness, swap out light the bulbs and add a 24V alternator next to the 12V one. You can see where this is going. Now, add into the fact the dealer that won the bid went under before any graders were delivered to them. The manufacturer then begged other dealers to modify them, several different dealers did and not one was the same. We hated working on them.
Wow
I bet
Typical gov bs
The armored cab is Absolutely wild and looking up parts catalogs where always a little fun for ex military machines
Cant wait to see the D7 with fresh paint.
Thanks for the comparison, Clint. The military Deere looks a lot beefer (if that’s a word lol) than the other one. Thanks for sharing!
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thanks for the educational video, i will go to sleep smarter tonight, again great video 👍👍👌
The green paint on the military 850J looks great!
Wow. What a great Video. I'm watching from Australia. I had no idea there were JD military dozers ! Thanks for a fun interesting video.
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Awesome info