WATCH THIS if You Own a Mossberg 500,590, or 88
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- Here is the Mossberg 88 shotgun which ha the same action as the 500 and 590. I used to love these shotguns and used them for duty and as a defensive shotgun for years until I found a major flaw in all of them. I've had experience with 3 different 88s, 4 500s, and 2 590s so it's not just one this has the problem. I talk about this at 4:30 so if you own one or want to own one, watch this. Thanks for watching. Share this video to let people whose lives depend on it know the problem. Also subscribe and check out my other informative videos. I try to give the most honest reviews and am not affiliated with any company whatsoever. You can do this test yourself as I said in the video. Many people have told me they have the same issue as well as a few in the field experiences. Also if you can , go and help me out with a small donation of a dollar or two on patreon. All donations will go towards making more videos and coming out with better content. It's a very quick and easy way to keep the channel going. Thanks.
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I dropped my mossberg 590 the other day, the only thing that broke was my heart..cuz my shotgun got a scratch 🥺😥😢😭
so is the lifter not an issue any longer?
They say the maverick ,500,and the 590 have the same lifter,,I own the 590...tried what he did and lifter never moved
Mossbergs are cheap drop em all you want
He is an idiot if he’s dropped 6 different shotguns and had the lifters come loose 6 different times. How often is he dropping his shotguns directly on the side perfectly?
Lol, it’s not a safe queen. Guns are tools that are meant to get beat up 😭 just like your dewalt $300 impact.
I've owned a 500 Mossberg since 82 and haven't been nice to this shotgun at all and never had a problem! It's still the best shotgun made for the money!
Yea same here. Never had an issue with any of my Mossberg 500s. Used to be a hobby of mine buying $100-$150 used 500s cleaning them up and selling them. Currently have 5 in my stable. I love the 500, best bang for the buck. Versatile, can convert from a 500 to a 590 and back easily. I’ll keep my eye out for this issue tho I can see where it could happen.
Whts the best regardless of money?
I got one used and put some new parts in - I understand the plastic safety switch issue they had but how the guy busted the firing pin I have no idea. Anyway, the firing pin replacement required more disassembly than I was comfortable with but all the other new parts and accessories were easy to do at home.its been my goto gun ever since.
Yeah i agree it is a high quality shotgun at the lowest price possible
@@bigfrank2959remmington is the tried and true. Mossberg 940 pros are nice
Had my 500 since 1983, 36 years. It is my go to woods/defense gun. It has been through hell and back. Dropped, fell out of a stand, road in the bottom of many a duck boat. Been everywhere and been through everything. It has never had a ftf or fte. I have shot thousands and thousands of rounds through it, mostly 3" mag goose loads and a butt load of slugs and buckshot. I'll keep using mine.
I've had my 500 so hot Dove hunting I could smell wood cooking from the for arm and never had a hiccup. Great shotgun!
Just got mine yesterday.
@@mr.channel6467 I got mine yesterday!! a year later...
Another option could be to “preload” the lifter by bending it outward slightly and making it act as a spring pushing those bosses outward into the receiver.
The 88 was my first gun I bought when I was 16 ..expand the lifter tabs far enough apart so there is a good amount of tension....its an easy fix.
That's what I was thinking while watching this.
like a wishbone?
This is probably going to get lost in the noise... but here goes: The metallurgy in the elevator has everything to do with this. Many folks are trying to replicate this failure, dropping their guns, just to see what will happen. Most cannot get it to happen, likely because the steel in their particular elevator is more resistant to "springing" under the inertia of a drop. (And this could simply be that the elevator limbs are sprung a little stronger outward before reassembly of the gun)...
You can create virtually any scenario to get a firearm to fail (short stroking the trigger on an S&W K or N frame comes to mind)... you can "limp wrist" your Glock (oh no, what if I limp wrist it and it jams in a self defense situation) ~!! :o You might drop your Colt Python on its right side and the cylinder crane gets bent... etc. and so forth ad nauseum. :o
These are called "sentinel events"... the "distinct outliers" in all "what might happen?" situations. Your beloved firearm of choice will have an Achilles Heel, one way or another. You may not know about it, and that's all well and good--but it *could* happen... but it probably *won't* happen.
So enjoy your shotgun of choice, revolver or pistol of choice... knowing that the sentinel event you fear most will happen every other time you win your state's lottery. ;)
You're making too much sense for this thread.
Nice
besides this, you already done goofed if you drop your gun either way
You fixed my anxiety about this.
Best response ever! Bravo!
If I broke six shotguns by dropping them, I'd look into some sticky gloves :)
Or sticky hands
Mwuahahahahah
Looking at the other comments, I treat this video as "food for thought". Thanks for making us aware.
A sling is like muzzle discipline and trigger discipline. "I've never..." is hardly a reason to not take secure measures.
"I've never accidentally pulled my trigger" but I still maintain muzzle discipline.
"I've never dropped a weapon" but I sling my long arms to ensure nothing causes me to drop them.
The thing with firearms is that "I've never" becomes tragedy in a heartbeat. So a sling is worth considering.
with all due respect, If I'm correct, the 590A1 was the only model to pass the Mil-Spec.
James Noll
Mil-spec doesn't mean jack shit, these days.
500's passed the 3000 test.
James Noll I was just going to correct him haha the 590A1 is much better built.
@@niclavalliedrums8537 slightly thicker barrel, and the metal trigger group. A 500 slugbore barrel is thicker than a 590a1, so in essence, if you put a 590 trigger assembly and a slug bore barrel on a 500 you can say it's "built better".
590a1 is the only one that is rated for military/police use
That's odd. I've used multiple 500's and 88's over the years from different production years. They've all performed excellent under heavy use, being banged around, shuffled from place to place, and put through the proverbial ringer. Never once have I had this issue. My most recent 500 was manufactured right around 2006, again no issues.
Sure you have lmfao
@@collinblack9605 I’m sure he has as many reputable people like jerry miculek Hickok 45 and many others have without issue then again this would be something that would worry me if I had one as I’ve seen another vid on this topic
@@Mike-kh9gj I witnessed it happen first hand.
Exactly. And you got my name. I'm 2 foot taller than this man. And I don't have daddy's money handed to me. F!@it! Bless us
Bought mine in 1973 when I was 15, me and that gun have been together ever since and its never had a problem
I watched this video 2 years ago before I bought my Mossberg 500 and I'm happy i bought that instead of the Remington 870. I work flawlessly
Shani King yeah I prefer the dual extractor of the mossberg to the single extractor in the Remington
hellaacapella the rust is the biggest issue on the 870
I own both......Remington is the best.
@@mariehelenecoulin321 older Remington's, you can argue that. Public opinion and data shows your comment is false based on average data, especially with new models and quality control. But good for you.
@@elche1976public opinion and data shows you’re a clown
Well, I took my Mossy 500 apart, and confirmed this will not happen if the tang safety is set to the forward FIRE position, as the safety prevents the elevator arm pins from coming all the way out. So, the only way this will disable the gun is if it is on SAFE, you drop it exactly onto its side, and you try to pump it without first moving the safety to FIRE - which seems to pop the pins back into place. I keep mine with a loaded mag tube, chamber empty, and safety set to FIRE. So, not really an issue, at least for my specific gun. Anyone else out there with a 500 or 590 can confirm it's not just mine?
My 500 has the safety peened down on FIRE! In RED , Forward. Metal safety. My safety is my right index finger. It's the only safety I trust . So it's the only one I use . Thinking about a metal trigger upgrade, I know the plastic is fine. I like to shoot fast , especially if a animal isn't going down .
My 500 is the breacher. I keep the mag full, chamber empty, and safety on. I don't make a habit of dropping any firearm, so I've never had to deal with this condition.
10thmtm.YOU are the man who unravel the mistery and provided the solution. Thank you. I take my hat in front of you. I just bought an 88 today and I was concerned. Thank u again.
He obviously got his big arms from dropping his rifle in basic training.
Had a 500 for 40+ an 88 for 20+ and have run thousands of rounds through each. Had my 500 so hot dove hunting I could smell the wood on the forearm. And never a problem. Although I make it a point not to drop my weapon. Interesting video though
airborneshodan You should be lucky he told you that.
@@hangfirejp1197 it's amazing.... I've never had the issue either. Coincidentally, I've never dropped mine either. I like to take care of it.
Doing pickups not pushups lol
@The Shaving Chronicles speaking of dropping things... It appears you dropped your binky. Time to practice what you preach and JUST DEAL WITH IT!! Or are you a serial dropper and sticking up for your fellow Karen?
That settles it for me. I'm gonna go another 35 years with dropping my 500 on its side.
Lol. This. Why some people intentionally drop their guns is beyond me. Maybe I should crash my car to see if something breaks.
@@elche1976 Maybe your sanity and bank account.
without
@@calholli indeed. I did mean without. :) Gun dropping in general is a habit I somehow never developed. I sometimes lie awake at night wondering if I'm missing out.
I can't afford to be dropping, or throwing my guns around.
I'm sure drops happen, but PLEASE!
Four years as a combat engineer, maybe dropped my M16 ONCE!
12 Bravo!
3 years in the Army 6 years National Guard, I carried the M 203 much more cumbersome and heavy than a shotgun and didn’t drop them.
@soundspartan, so if you knew your M16 could malfunction from a simple eight inch drop onto a hard surface, you'd have the same confidence in the weapon? And, because you never dropped your weapon in four years of service, you believe you've eliminated the risk. Your attempt at safety analysis and risk mitigation is comical. Why not loosen the lug nuts on your car. If you manage to drive for four years without an incident then you should declare there is no risk from driving with loose lug nuts.
@@warsurplus ...YOU go FIRST...know it ALL!
Then report back to me as you KNOW sooo much about everything!
@@warsurplusyour face is comical
In the Marines we were taught not to drop your weapon. EVER.
Drop a weapon at MCRDPI and you get to sleep with it.
But none of are marines fugglenugget.
*rifle clatters to the ground*
“FOLLOW IT!”
Yes your right we were taught to treat our weapon like our penis to always keep it as close to you as possible and to always keep it clean every chance you can when in the field but may I point out not everyone went in to serve and are typically just home bodies, just everyday people. You see I am a NRA instructor and teach many people self protection with a weapon in and out of their home as well as handgun instruction so they can get their state issued concealed carry permits and after 20+ years of teaching it I can honestly say that almost none of the non service people will act like a military prepped person will and especially when scared for their life, when fight or flight mode kicks in and there knees begin to knock they most typically try to run for safety and will most definitely drop their weapon a time or maybe even two if they even stop to pick it up after the first drop. You were in the service so you know that teaching a regular person how to control their fear and make it work to their benefit when their senses get heightened during that fight or flight mode and how to control their breathing and then dig down deep inside themselves to try and control their heart rate so as to lower their blood pressure well some people just can’t do it. They are going to be as scared after day 10 as they were the first day you tried to teach it to them. Moral to this long blast is not everyone is a marine and not every civilian can be taught what they really need to know! Thanks for reading and God Bless us all....
Joseph Leonard: The least punishment would be time in The Pit.
I just purchased this shotgun today and from what I see I really like this gun. Thank you for making me aware of this flaw. It has not deterred me from wanting it but with the knowledge you gave I am alert and can deal with it accordingly. In a home protection situation if I've dropped it I'm already in a situation that won't end well. Thanks for making users aware. P.S- this my first gun but it is far from my last. Thanks again
This shotgun is still a great firearm, and regardless of this issue is it still a dead reliable shotgun. Don't throw it around and it will work every time.
it only had 2 rounds through it, not 2 boxes, even a gunsmith said it is a reject, mossberg will not take it back or fix it... i use it as a pry bar now and it works great as a pry bar
'Mossberg' makes some great weapons. No, they are not as heavily built as the 'Remington 870' line of shotguns, but they are still great never-the-less. I do agree with Koshunae that treating these firearms with a little respect will go a long way in keeping them reliable.
Wayne Hartneck Screwdrivers work well too! 🤣
you wont regret it. Ive used one as my primary freezer filler beater for the past few years has killed countless ducks, doves, deer, and hogs. great all around gun that you wont be too financially crushed if it gets trashed one day.
I cant trust this gun with my life but he owns 6 of them lol
Yeah i dont understand that either.
LMAO!!!
He buys them all to intentionally drop them all. Taking one for the team.
Hey bro. Mcdonalds ain't that healthy but you know we go back for more.
He found out about this after buying the 6 guns?...
I just tested my 590A1,dropping on carpet from 3 feets height,got the issue after 6 try. With a little tap on the receiver,lifter got back in place. I took the lifter out and spread the legs out a fair amount,put back in and tried the test again and the issue didnt come back. Was good to know that can happen,ofc i usually dont drop my shotgun but accident can always happen. All that said, i like Mossberg and never regret anys i bought,they are very good shotgun in my opinion.
Thanks for putting this out there. You can expect some slings and arrows for doing nothing more than looking out, but that's OK. Owners/potential buyers should be made aware, and so should Mossberg. I'm glad to know about it. Thanks!
I'v owned a Mossburg since the American Revolution and i'v never had this problem
I've dropped mine while hunting a few times and this has never happened to me.
according to this guy he drops his weapon a lot when he needs it the most
@ wanky Hank ect......., yours is older than mine, I've only had mine since the civil war. Mine has never done it either
I helped escort Jesus to the cross while on police detail with mine, never an issue
@@ourtime-downhere6931 hilarious 😆
Good to know what to do in the rare possibility this happens...thanks for the tip.
All one has to do to prevent the cartridge elevator from popping out of place like that is; when you have it out, during disassembley for cleaning, is pull the 2 ends outward, bending them just enough so that they'll fit a whole lot tighter in their holes, and that should take care of that problem. Doing so worked on my Mossberg 500, as well as on a couple of my friends 500s!
I've got 2 Mossberg 500's and my boys each have one and they have been dropped before and never had a single issue with any of them and both of mine are almost 20 years old.
Justin Williams are the older models better in quality? I own 870's not familiar with Mossbergs
Hank Schrader my 2 older ones are wood stocks not the plastic so a plus to me but my boys both of there's are bout 4 years old and been dropped once or twice each and never had an issue at all.
Justin Williams good to know! I guess if I'm shooping for one I will give it the dropt test. good shotguns at a good price
Hank Schrader yeah I like them I have four Mossberg's in all 2 500's a 835 utili mag and a 5500 auto feed and just love the way they work for the price
Hank Schrader I got my maverick for 189 bucks I love it
Never would've known this. Thanks for the info, bud.
Well, the 500 has been around for what, 50 years or so in both military and LE applications and not 1 documented case I know of in real life.
Well now there is one so deal with it
"Reliable" After over 35 years hunting and owning many different firearms I don't care if it's a Browning, Ithica, Remington, Winchester ect it will have issues, it's man made! I have fired several hundred rounds from a 88 with absolutely zero issues. Most people are so partial to their brand, "if it's not a A5 it's nothing" type attitude but yet I've seen A5s and many other expensive brands have issues in the field while a old Stevens is still shooting Clays. Feel free to research your $1000+ shotgun with the word "issues" behind the model and see for yourself...IMO it's a good gun for the money
I get your point but some guns are clearly made better than others. It doesn't mean everyone's gonna have problems with the cheap ones.
I should mention I have a 500 but I also have an M12 and for self defense I'd go with the one that served in two world wars. I know I sound like a boomer
i have 6 mossbergs of various configurations including an 88. Oldest is 17 yrs old i have beat it to hell and never had these problems.
Conrad Bradley Congratulations
If you're saying you've never been shot that doesn't mean much. You could've shot before they shot you, they could've shot and had terrible accuracy since they had their gun sideways...
And yet you saw with your own eyes what can happen of you drop the Mossberg. And dang it, I own one.
How long have Mavericks been around?
dochinson does your pump release button ever stick on your Mav.
Thanks! Good info. I have a 500 that came with field and rifled barrel. I sometimes take it hunting w/ the rifled barrel and yes you can drop it when walking to your blind. That hasn't happened to me but I would definitely look at the lifter tabs if I do drop it. One nice thing about the 500, all you need to take is apart is a paper clip your some other rigid punch and you can easily pop the lifter back into place.
Guys im watching this two years later today and ive had my mossbergs 3 years now and OMG HE IS RIGHT!! I dropped it to test this issue from about a foot high on my floor which is soft carpeting , and the fucking thing did do exactly this!! I used a pen tip to kind of guide it back thru the openings. I tried it again and time after time it did it. This man is totally right about this and it is scary to say the least. I might do a video to show this and hope a change can be made. I know many are gona take offense and say "its never happened to mine!" But trust me i guarantee if u give me 10 seconds with yours and i will duplicate this malfunction. I should say I LOVE MOSSBERG and their firearms. BUT this is crazy. I pray that you guys test it out. If you are afraid of damaging your gun just lay some towels down or something like that but do test yours to see. Also, some are gona say "Well dont drop it like that and it wont do this". Well to those i say i dont plan on dropping mine but my god what happens if you lay it down and it accidentally drops or god forbid you get into a life or death situation and drop it and you dont have a backup weapon??? Anyway guys. PLEASE TEST YOUR GUN AND KNOW THIS CAN HAPPEN!!!
My Mossberg 500 is ancient, and has never done anything but feed, fire, and eject. Yet this guy claims to have had six different Mossbergs that he managed to drop and cause this malfunction.
Somehow, the US military didnt have this problem in various war zones, so I’m not worrying about it in suburbia.
He’s using a maverick 88
I own Mossberg and Remington, thanks for that nugget as you may have saved someones life. I don't know why some folks take info like this in a negative way, being aware is how you overcome obstacles. I'm still keeping my Mossy but now I know what to do quickly if it exhibits this issue.
Thats how a normal healthy thinking person should reply after being given knowledge.
Agreed
Careful with your Remington! I've heard that if the fall off a cliff while holding the 870 in a certain way, your thumb can become lodged in the magazine tube because of the faulty lifter and then left for dead.
@@larryfoster2227 Funny you should mention the 870 elevator. While training in the sheriff's dept. we had a guy get his gloved thumb stuck during reload. Non issue for me because I never wore gloves, neither did he after that.
@@MrKitty-zv3dl I know that if you look hard enough you will find a flaw or weak point in any firearm. I may or may not have got a gloved finger stuck in an 870 lifter before. Lol.
I have shot Mossberg 500 for years and have never seen this happen. none of my guns are safe queens
I still love my 88, but your review is absolutely correct. I've had this same issue. Thanks for the review bud.
For the life of me I don’t know why people are so damn critical when all you are trying to do is help fellow gun owners. I was raised to treat people with respect or just walk away. Thank you for the video and you might have just saved someone a lot of heartache and just maybe their life.
thank you.
Because people on the Internet say things that they would never say in a real social encounter.
The anonymity that posting a comment on the Internet gives you brings out the worst in people.
Mostly cowards.
Exactly. If I ever hear of someone that can't track their slide, I'll check for that.
Reminds me of the American Indian: if all the. Tribes would have stuck together, us Americans would be speaking Indian.
I couldn't agree more man.
People do that when they become Mossberg "fans" rather than Mossberg "customers". Some people, for some reason, just love to pick a brand and then ride or die with that brand. It's like Ford vs Chevy guys, even if Ford releases an absolute turd, the hardcore Ford guys will still say its good and vice versa.
It is a legitimate concern and thanks for pointing it out. I really like my Maverick 88 and it is extremely reliable, but the drop problem is good to know, and something to always double check, in case it were ever dropped.
Owned a 500 for two decades and I abused that gun never happened
He's making too big of a problem. No gun comes without it's flaws.
I sold my Remington 870 express to get a 500 and I'm not going back. The 870 failed to extract too many times and needed to be racked really hard. But I do agree about the lifter they don't make them stiff enough. But it works.
NDOMAKONG SUH obviously not.
I had this same issue with my 870 express tactical. I changed out the extractor to a non-MIM one from Brownells for like 20 bucks, and replaced the spring/follower with a higher quality version of each. Now it works borderline flawlessly. Now, that's some extra work/expense and shouldn't need to be done in the first place, but it's definitely something to consider.
I still keep a 590a1 as my HD shotgun but after doing those things the 870 is actually worth a shit.
@@melektaus2906 I have never had an issue with an 870 of course most are wingmaster but the express has never failed to feed with exception of trying to do it....and as far as 500 and 88,590,835 I have never had an issue at all like this but I did get the 500 to pop after 8 drops from almost waist high and it has to hit literally perfect....a well molded bead of epoxy will fix the issue..I would trust my life to any of the mentioned above...go ask jerry michalek how many times his mossberg has failed ....and look how old it is he throws it around....this was something someone did to try expose a flaw he clearly doesnt care for mossberg.... he probably the one to go out and get the most expensive benelli he can and uses and the guy comes to the range with the 88 and wore his ass out shooting so he wanted to make a point..I want to go buy six to just c if it was these 3 that did it come on sale that shit to someone buying someone showed u that shit and u ran with it.....
Got my 500 in 81 when my son was 1year old, he learned to shoot from it and still kicking. Very reliable for home defense.
Bought my first Mossberg pump 500A when I was 18 from a pawn shop in San Diego California, I'm 30 now and still own it. I love the hell out of her, I've put the gun through hell and it has proven to be a good overall durable shotgun. While working on a forestry crew in Alaska a couple years ago I ran into issues with the lifter as well. At first like you mentioned I just messed around with the slide action a bit and she popped right back in place. I noticed the problem became more frequent considering I was packing a lot of gear up a mountain through the forest and the shotgun would get banged around on the way up and actually had it jam up on me at least once, and yes I had to pull it apart back at home. Maybe if they stiffened up the metal it wouldn't be a problem. Awesome video.
Thanks for posting this. I own one, never had the problem. But as Thufir Hawat says, "The first step in avoiding a trap....".
1Klooch
Most people don't know who he is
Bulldawg62 The movie is old, the books even older. But the advice is still as good as the day the words rolled off his stained lips.
Love Dune!
Wow, that's nuts...had my 590 for almost 20 years and never did that....maybe don't drop it so much?
Well Rambo, what about when you go to pick it up from the FFL and it is in this condition?
@@cplbitterklinger594 Then you would send it back dummy. C'mon now, do your parents know you're on YT right now? Have you done your chores yet? Gonna get grounded again!
@@BeReal918 yeah, I sent two of them back and then gave up on the pieces of shit. Derp. BTW, I'm most likely old enough to be your pappy's pappy, li'l punk ass bitch. Take your fkn stupidity elsewhere, boy.
@@cplbitterklinger594 Did you just call a black man boy?
@@cplbitterklinger594 FYI grampa, the word "boy" used in the wrong context, i.e. when a white guy calls a younger black guy, is pretty much like being called a nig. Not to mention "punk" in prison can get you cut. Son!
I have a Mossberg Maverick 88 and I can tell you it's been a great gun 15 years and still counting I've used it as a boat paddle a bush ax and a crutch the climb up a hill it's been bumped not dropped and pulled up in the trees by rope and everything in between never had an issue with my Mossberg Maverick 88.
Just watch the whole thing and learned a lot, thanks so much for putting this together and for your knowledge.
I have had a 500 for 33 years and never had a problem.
Great! Just ignore all problems that you're unlikely to encounter and you'll be all set.
I think your elevator is defective. I dropped my gun on purpose for 10 minutes trying to get it to pop off, nothing. 🤷🏽♂️ Also, why do people keep that god awful sticker on their Mavs???
Yeah I wondered the same, like peel that shit off, first thing I'm doing when I pick mine up lol
LOL
Maverick pride? I was thinking the same thing about the elevator. I've got my 500A apart right now for some work to fix some neglect and that elevator wanted to keep reinstalling itself! That's some good spring steel there.
I put my Mossberg sticker on the side of my RC plane 😊
@@bobthompson4918 I miss my sticker. . .
I have seen some people comment about the Maverick 88, that if you gently file away the rough burs on the moving parts/bearing surfaces that aren't finished off or machined very well and polish other surfaces the 88 will run a lot smoother. Obviously a budget shotgun won't receive so much attention to detail, however with a few simple tools, fine emery cloth and decent lube no reason anybody couldn't improve the operation of any budget firearm.
Good info to know. I have both the Mav88 and the 500. I know it's more of a specific gun by gun thing but I have found the 500 to feel obviously tighter and smoother running than the 88. My 88 feels much more sloppy. I've owned both for about 8 years now and have yet to have a problem with either. I love mossberg
Totally agree with this.... have an 88 in 12 and a 500 in 20... the 88 feels kinda ~sloppy, while the 500 is "tight" - but they both go bang every time I need them to.
My maverick was great, but my 500 is amazing. I love the tang safety switch. Although it makes the adjustable stock pointless. I want a 590 mariner.
Never had that happen but good to know and be aware of. Thanks
Question, does the jamming occur whether the safety is on or off? I read somewhere that the safety off position prevents that jamming when dropping... Something about keeping the tension locked. Same post mentioned the jamming will happen when the safety is on. Please comment. Thx!
Thanks for the tip, very valuable info, if my gun jams I have more knowledge to fix it.
no disrespect.... I'm not perfect at all... but i can say i have never dropped a gun....
2quickvr6 I don't drop mine either but I can lay one down pretty hard and it will cause this issue also. And this problem is really more of an issue for police or military where the guns can be dropped
I have unloading from truck in a case ! Also if you trip in the woods it's better to drop then hold on so think things through
I had my glock in my shirt folded on the bathroom counter while I took a shower and when I got out I forgot it was in the shirt and picked it up, well my glock hit the floor (loaded one in the chamber) and all it did was knock the rear sight to the left wich was easy to fix
Same I never dropped one and have been shooting for years now
you dropped a shotgun 6+ times? damn lol
Thanks for this great review and addressing this problem because I have never seen this addressed in any other video review. Reading all the negative replies below… Seems kind of funny as though they all missed the point that shit happens and the weapon can be dropped in the heat of the moment Causing a malfunction… And that’s all you were trying to point out.
you can absolutely 100% fix this issue by drilling and tapping the lifter pins, then adding a #5 truss screw. it's part of my "kindness" and "Mercy" combat shotgun modifications, for when you cannot have the gun fail at all ever.
Don't drop your gun.Problem solved.
@@donnieyoung7231 that's why God gave us slings.
@@SignalJones Very true.
Thanks for the info. I’ve heard people talking trash about the Mexican Mossberg, but never had an issue with mine. It’s good to see what its issues or limitations are.
Damn. Good info! I have a 500 and a Maverick. Good shootin by the way.
drill and tap the pin on each side. then put a screw with a wide head into the hole that you just drilled and tapped on the pin using the existing holes in the receiver. use some blue thread lock on the screw threads. that will fix the problem. also the extractor will work better if you polish the contact points.
ffemt917 Could that work yes. But you shouldn't have to do that to a new shotgun that is supposed to be made to be a fighting gun or defensive gun. Adding things only create more chances for something to break. I just use another brand of shotgun now for duty or serious use.
that sounds like a great fix
ffemt917 that is exactly what I was thinking when I saw this video. I actually replicated this what he's doing with my Mossberg.
@@Bubby7777 well then adding a site that comes with 2 extra screws would make it modified...or a clip on flashlight .
Shit not to mention the adjustable stock u put on...if nothing is done to the firearm barrel sawed to short illegal stuff yes...then u might have a point cause people even put new triggers in does not modify the gun just customizes it....
Thanks for pointing out the Mossberg flow! That is very nice to know since I am a new shotgun enthusiast looking to purchase the Mossberg.
I used to own a Mossberg 500 however it had a problem with loading the shells into the magazine tube. Used to piss me off when I'd take it out hunting and I would use a pen or Leatherman to punch it out so I could load it. Finally ended up selling it and purchasing a Benelli Supernova. One of the best decisions I ever made, I would totally recommend it to anyone. My buddy uses a Maverick 88 every time we go hunting and it works like a champ for him. I was thinking about purchasing one as a loaner gun but I'm still undecided between the Maverick 88 and Nova. Great video.
This is good to know. Good thing I keep a side arm on me as well.
Dont drop any gun period! Set it down softly 😊
"That outta fix her" (it) lol
Thanks for the information on the possible failure and how it can/can't addressed. I own the 88 and will be upgrading to the 500 series when they become available again.
I appreciate the heads up (and how to Field Clear it! )
I've a 500 I know it's not perfect, I'm thinking if mine ever gets dropped I'll give it a visual and keep running it or if I need to count on it I'll do necessary modifications I've had mine for 18 years now and still like it, if I had $ I'd buy all kinds of shotguns
Hey man, thanks for the heads up! What do you think about drilling and tapping both side pins and then securing it from the exterior on both sides using a low-profile screw/washer arrangement?
Just stake it with a centerpunch
just ignore it. This is an unrealistic problem that out of thousands of rounds through a number of 500's I have never ever seen. This guy went out looking for a problem with his shotgun and had to more or less make one up. You will never see this in the field.
+Jon Walker A reproducible problem is a realistic problem. Just ask any testing engineer who is responsible for ensuring that something is up to the task, whether it be software or hardware. It's a fool's argument to say, just because one has never experienced a problem with a given thing claimed by someone else, that the claim is invalid. I can envision many use cases where this claimed problem would result in failure and possibly even the death of the operator. Running at Port Arms when you slam into the door the fleeing suspect quickly shut behind him, and now he's in the middle of the room with no exit, so he turns toward you, and you're jammed? That was a very short drop needed to cause this failure. Not much of a bump. I'm so very glad dochinson made and posted this video. I'm already designing the fix. If you ever said what you did at Ishmash they would have angrily beaten you and then banned you permanently from the entire complex.
Adam Churvis it is also a fools argument to manufacture a problem and then expect he company to be at fault for said problem. if you go about looking for problems then you will find them. if you put gravel in the striker channel it will fail. well then glock needs to fix this problem right? no, it is an unrealistic issue does not need mending. the Mossberg 500 passed military trials which I assure you included dropping numerous times. This has never been an issue and still isn't. You have to drop the gun a very specific way several times in order to reproduce this malfunction.
+Jon Walker Let me try this from a formal testing perspective. When a given thing is designed, it is designed around a specific set of specifications. A disciplined engineer with, before any drawings are even begun, author one or more tests for each detail of each specification so that production candidates can have the test regimen run against them to verify that all specifications are met. At this point all tests are theoretical against a likewise theoretical target of those tests. Once prototyping begins, the unexpected begins to show its ugly head -- this mechanism just won't work as planned, that coating is not as tough as the manufacturer claims, etc -- often causing one or more specifications or their details to be either waivered (dropped by the stakeholders) or modified to better test the thing being built. Once all this has "shaken out" of the project, you have a thing that passes the revised regimen of tests. And so now short runs of production candidates are made and they are tested. The design is then modified, if necessary, to correct any problems discovered when testing many samples, which cannot be discovered nearly as well from testing only one or two at a time. After much testing, redesign, retesting, and so on, the design is finally approved by the stakeholders and production begins. It is, as per agreement, "fully tested," but this by no means suggests that the design is sound because it has only passed those tests which were imagined by the engineers as being salient. It's only after this point that engineers, through customer feedback, learn of elements of the thing that should have been tested but were not. Most of the time, with experienced design engineers and testing engineers, these additional tests could not have been guessed during prototyping because the failure would have seemed virtually impossible at the time. But now new tests must be added to the regimen, and the potentially failing things replaced, retrofitted, or refunded. A very close example to this shotgun lifter issue is the safety issue that happened with the well-tested Remington Model 700 trigger mechanisms, which would occasionally fail. Almost eight million rifles recalled because only a few of them failed, but it was a failure that could now be tested properly, and the test failure discovered a flaw that could be designed around to solve it -- again according to these same tests. Accidental discharges are important to fix no matter how rare; I argue that any design flaw discovered at any time is important to fix if it can leave the operator vulnerable.
Thanks ! That's great to know. I never knew anything about mossberg. My friends have always had them. I have a Winchester. But I recently purchased an 88 security. I decided to go cheap. This is unfortunate because I don't particularly like firearms that are not drop safe. But I already have one. I'll have to be extra careful. You shouldn't have to baby a home defense gun. Reassembly is kinda rough too. But I'll keep it.
Thanks for the info. Just bought the 88 and have ran 3 shells through it so far. I will be on the lookout for this problem.
I've dropped my 500 30ft from trees several times
Surprising being that the mossberg 590 was the only shotgun to pass the military 3443 tests about 50 years ago. Included tests which the shotgun would be dropped from different heights and angles and then checked to see if it was functional. Apparently it passed all the tests.
The shotgun test is a pass-fail test, not a competitive test to identify the BEST gun.
The test is nothing more than a minimum standard a gun has to meet, it has nothing to do with what is the best gun.
All a company has to do is submit a gun for the test and if the gun passes the test, then they can bid on the contract.
Since Remington and the other shotgun makers at the time could not produce a gun as cheap as Mossberg they would not be able to under bid Mossberg, so only Mossberg bothered to submitted a gun for testing.
If you know you can't beat another company's price, why bother spending all the money to submit a gun that you know you can't get the contract for.
All the Mossberg advertising that "Only Mossberg passed the grueling Government test....." was at best misleading advertising, if not unethical.
Only Mossberg submitted a gun.
Technically it was the 590A1 that passed all the military tests. The 590 failed towards the end so Mossberg made the 590A1 as a military grade version. I wish though, if my 590 had a steel trigger guard I’d feel more secure with it lol
The 88 is not the same as the 500.
Good catch. Silly question... but is it metal, like spring steel? Could you bend the legs of the lifter wider so that it snaps into place with more force? Kind of how you adjust the tension on an AK safety, just bend it.
Very informative I was just about to buy one of these shotguns do you know of any shotgun that won't Jam if you drop it or an after-market part I could put in
you can actually change the cheap pinned pump action of the 88 with the more sturdy slide action tube assembly from a 500
If you keep your 500 or 590 safety on the fire position it blocks the pins from popping out so it's not really a problem unless you have the 88 which has the cheaper style safety
Thanks for the heads up i will make sure to keep an eye out for that with mine
My 88 has problems extracting slugs and sometimes buck shots. Have you had that same problem?
Great Info to Know! Great Video Brother!
You must be french
LOL
SNAKE!!! SNAKE!!! SNAKE!!! SCREW THE GUNS! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!
Hey, no bad mouthing us french. lol
Hahahaha
@@robp3284 Do you know what country had to be saved during World War Two because your generals didn’t listen to valuable information (hint it starts with F)
That's a really good call with the lifter, I've had both 500's and I currently have an 88 for home defense and have not noticed that.
Thanks for the heads up and sharing a potential hazard and situation of this firearm. I will be aware to avoid and try a slight mod.
I've owned a 500 for many year's never had a problem with it even dropping it from a tree stand once
Use a black washer bigger than the pin then put jb weld in the center of the washer . Then Paint jb weld black .That will weld the washer to the pin and the pin will still move but without popping in ..If you need to take apart in future just use a punch and hammer off washer.
that's a GREAT idea. I've not shot mine much since it's a '15 model & I have many shotguns BUT I will do this as a simple fix just in case.
i treat my 500 like my two children. when they were toddlers i never dropped them. there are some things you just don't do.
can you tell us if the Mossberg has remedied that lifter issue seeing as this video is 4 years old
hey dude, thanks for this video. i had no idea. videos like these are pretty valuable. for example i just learned about an ar-15 'jam' they call a 'brass over bolt' jam. been reading about guns for years but only found out about that one yesterday.
I just saw this video (1/4/17) after it being referenced on Calguns.net. I've been issued & using a Mossberg 590A1 for almost 20 years (law enforcement) and never knew about this issue. I did duplicate the elevator (aka lifter) pivot popping out of the receiver with my personal 590A1 just now and it popped out whether the bolt was forward or back.
I don't believe a new elevator part will cure the problem unless Mossberg totally redesigns that part/area. Therefore, it's important to know the issue exists; to watch out for it; and avoid any side impacts which can dislodge the elevator. For anybody wondering, yes, we are trained to immediately transition to handgun if our long-gun goes empty or malfunctions.
LL1684L2 don’t listen to this idiot he does not know that the mossburg 500, and 590 has a larger and wider lifter he is showing you a mossburg 88
@Universal Kombat don't throw your shit around is what id say if this was a problem it would have been known for years like the ar15 the problems known since the 1970s......
The comments on this board are shameful. This guy is sharing a piece of information that may save your life. In my opinion a shotgun should be able to survive an eight inch drop onto a hard surface and continue to function. If your car's wheels came off when cornering hard, you same keyboard clowns would say don't corner so hard. I prefer a weapon that will survive a routine drop and still continue to perform its main purpose.
I sure appreciate it
Very healthy point of view. Voice of sense
Thanks for the info, I"ll check/spring the part outwards a bit next time I clean the gun. I like the 88, 18.5" is lighter than 870 18.5.
Could one replace trigger on a 88 with the 590 and thereby get rid of manual safetys all together?
That's funny I've dropped my mossburg 500 alot and that's never happened and cheap ammo functions just fine
Mason Larre I have 2 88's in my 12 Gauge collection!
What's a Mossburg???
+Nathaniel Smale get the fuck put of here if you are being serious
+Oh bummer, it's a Mossberg. The guy is just making a joke because the OP made a mistake!
Same man
I fell asleep after the first minute so I'm going to watch it again
Thanks for the heads up and the fix. I’ve never had that problem. However if I did. Nice to know a lil wiggle wiggle will get her back.
so i jsut bought one of these, and after a few shots i wassent able to pump it after i shot a shell, had to use alot for force to open the gun with the pump, and the spent shell was dented in the rim, it did this like 4-5 times in 50 rounds, anyone who can tell me why? and how to fix that
mossburg could easily fix this bug
This is very misleading. the 500 and 590 have a tang safety. the tang safety interfaces with the trigger group in between the forks of the shell elevator, effectively holding it in unless the trigger group is removed.
long story short this will NOT happen on a 500 or 590. Buy cheap gun, get cheap results.
calmec87 have had it happen to my 500 a few months ago. I didn't realize it happened till I went to chamber a round. had to completely take it apart and it was a bitch considering the way they need to be taken apart
calmec87 The tang safety doesn't affect it. Still does it on all three mossbergs. Internals are the same as far as there is nothing between the two pins.
Just Checked my 500, a 2015 model for what it's worth. the part of the trigger group that links the safety to the receiver is in between the shell elevator legs. What i can tell you is that on my 500 and many other's that I've handled this is not possible unless there are other malfunctions, or manufacturing errors are present. I can't speak to other's personal experience, I'd certainly contact mossberg if this happened to my gun.
just tested it on my mossberg and it happened, so its clearly possible and you're definitely wrong. this fanboyism is fucking disgusting. making up bullshit to defend your purchase is lame.
It's Just Milk I Swear I've taken a lot of criticism from folks thinking since it's their Mossberg that it can't do it but it will. I've also had many others like you test it and the malfunction happen. I like your word fanboyism it fits.
Very good video, learned something new about a gun I've had since forever.
Holy shit. I just tried this with my 500 Persuader.. sure as hell happened. On my carpeted floor even... it's crazy that I've beat the hell out of this thing for about 10 years now and never had this happen. I literally will throw it in the back of my Jeep and not care because it's my beater... but somehow this never happened until I dropped it exactly like you did. I've got an 88 in 12ga, a 500 in 12, and a 500 in .410. I want to test out my 2 870s but they're too pretty and worth more to be knocking them around. Lol. Thanks for this video!!
I've definitely dropped mine a few times and that has never happened.
Wow, if you drop any gun in a life or death scenario you`re dead and "happening a lot" is a foolish thing to say. You say you have had 6 shotgun and all have done this. Why did you buy the last 5 after the first one had this problem? I never have had this problem or heard of this problem. What happened with the part Mossberg sent you, did it it fix it? Do you have to drop it off your roof now to make it jam? If you do not like Mossbergs, say it up front in your video.
LooseCannon H Mossberg used to be my favorite shotgun before this. They are still fine for bird hunting or for a plinking shotgun but not for defensive use. I mentioned in my other comment why I bought a few to make sure it is all of them and not just one. You say you've never had this issue. Have you ever dropped you Mossy on its side as shown. If not you can not speak on this issue. It is a fact it does it as I show and the part they sent did not fix it. If you drop any of these shotguns from 1 foot or more on its side it will jam. Try it on yours if you like.
LooseCannon H Also one more thing internet expert, until you are an expert on life or death situations, leave that topic alone. There is factual data where people have dropped firearms in battle and picked them back up and also where people have been wounded and dropped a firearm and picked it back up.
I go to the internet to learn, I speak from my experience. . You call me "internet expert" yet you use "factual data" to back up your case.
I started using Mossberg 500s in 1975 and was given a 590 in 1988 to use in bowling pin matches and early tactical shooting matches. That`s 41 years of falling, bouncing and holding the gun while dropping to the ground, this has never happened. That`s my experience.
I asked a former Marine firearms trainer and he said this can happen on well used Mossbergs, the "Elevator Assembly" wears out and needs to be replaced..He also said in a life of death scenario it would be more likely your shotgun being hit by an in coming round then this pin popping out.
Finally, I dropped my newest Mossberg repeatedly, on the 5th drop this happened. The gun has to be perpendicular to the floor and when I racked the slide the pin popped back in on first try. No disassembly needed.
You said Mossberg sent you a replacement Elevator, did this fix the problem?
LooseCannon H The replacement did not fix the problem. Also I have done this to several of my own new Mossbergs and to friends Mossbergs and it happened with both. Also when racked it jammed the action up because of you wasn't expecting it to do this you would rack it hard. The reason it didn't in the video is.m because I babied it. You can say what you want but I prove that it does it in the video and can make more videos showing it also. It's a fact it does it as shown no questions asked. New or old any Mossberg 500,590, or 88 will do it. Now I'm tired of arguing with so either watch video proof and accept it or you can find yourself off my channel.
LooseCannon H I've been in combat, and I can report for certain that people have dropped their firearms during a firefight and did not die. I got shot in the leg once at a full sprint with 100 pounds on my back, which caused me to faceplant right onto my weapon, and I didn't die. I picked it up, got to cover, and shot the prick that shot me. I still didn't die. If my weapon had jammed after I dropped it, I might have died. The guy in the video has a point; you don't. He said right in the video that he uses them for shooting, but not self defense, so apparently that's why he buys them. I'm glad he showed me the flaw. I may or may not do something to fix it, but at least I know about it. I would definitely address it if I was taking my shotgun into combat.
Good honest report. Thanks! I recently bought a Maverick 88 with the 28 and 18.5 inch barrels as well as the Maverick 88 Cruiser. Monarch high brass buckshot is very prone to jam,especially in the Cruiser. The trigger pull can be very stout lol. Yet I like the guns and overall design. Very nice how you explained the drop test and how to fix it.
Thank you sir. I just bought a Mossberg 590a1 brand new fresh out of the box....same jam. Do they make an aftermarket part with more rigidity?