Charlie Rose Lapd Detectives Philip Vannatter And Tom Lange (January 31, 1997)
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- Charlie Talks To Former Lapd Detectives Philip Vannatter And Tom Lange About The Investigation In The O. J. Simpson Case. Also, Jim Lehrer Talks About His Television Show, The News Hour With Jim Lehrer As Well As His New Book, White Widow.
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not even a tape of the murders would that jury convict him
I have often stated that if Jesus had come down from heaven and told this jury he did it, they would have dismissed him as insane.
The guys in this interview planted evidence. If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at them.
@@antonioacevedo5200well then you’re often wrong.
@@ALOMACHO exactly
Racist cop Mark Furhman provided more than enough reasonable doubt but the caucasians don’t acknowledge that
The defense claimed the LAPD immediately decided within hours to frame Simpson. If that was the case, think about how risky that would've been for them. What would've happened if the real killer was somehow caught after they charged Simpson? What if the real killer was turned in by a citizen or family member, or committed another murder, or confessed, etc, then they would've been caught framing OJ. lost their careers and prosecuted for it. So why bother? Also, prior to the 1994 murders the LA justice system had spent years giving Simpson preferential treatment even after they'd been called to his house 8 times for suspected spousal abuse; OJ was arrested for beating Nicole but they allowed him not to complete a year-long treatment program for abusive husbands nor the court-mandated complete community service. (I'm guessing because he was "OJ Simpson")
But we're supposed to believe that almost immediately after the murders the DA, the LAPD; all of the detectives, lawyers involved, investigators, technicians, blood analysts, etc ALL decided to frame him for murder. - It makes no sense whatsoever.
RHD? No it was Vanadder & Furman screwing up. Phil was like 🤷🏻♂️ oh well not thinking it would be a PR case, Hollywood spin. Mark Furman wanted to "button" up the homicide case 📂.
Exactly, the whole planting evidence was so stupid. Like they are all going to risk their careers and their pensions to plant evidence against him when if they’re found out, they would go to prison. It’s absurd.
@@DavidLLambertmobile - Did you even real my comment? Because your simple, emoji-filled reply doesn't explain away any of my points.
Appreciate you uploading these! Thank you!
What’s going on with CZcams videos cutting out AUDIO?!
good question
Good video until it messed up???
I got so excited watching this that just after 15 minutes into it I lost my hearing.
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15 minutes for what? For how? For why?
@@marleneg7794 The sound on the audio goes dead!
@@marleneg7794 silly marlene g
Yeah what's up with that?
I’m still baffled why furman plead the 5th. Especially with the last question of, “did you frame OJ?”!
When you plead the fifth, you can’t answer any questions. If you answer one, you have to answer them all.
@@bitter37are u sure about that? Not my understanding for a witness. For a defendant that makes sense.
@@TSeeley01he is correct. That's why the Defense asked that specific question.
@@Devon6024 but he testified earlier in the case so he already answered questions. How was he able to then turn around and use the fifth? I looked this up and it says it was his choice not to answer anymore questions and just invoke the 5th on each one. He was a witness not on trial himself. Different rules. Also I read that the jury did not hear him invoke the 5th and were not told he did only that he was not returning for cross examination.
@@TSeeley01 he testified under oath the first day. Came back the next day and gets put back under oath. He pled the 5th on that specific day. He was not going to answer any questions on that day. If he answered one question on that specific day, he would have had to answer them all.
Tom Lange reminds me of Taggart from "Beverly Hills Cop"
He's Pendergrast from falling down
But does he remind you of former US President Gerald R. Ford?
@@BossyGuyMike come to think of it he does!
@@JimmyNotes czcams.com/video/REZ2k_eCFH0/video.html
@@BossyGuyMikethey BOTH look like Gerald Ford! 😂
Both excellent detectives, for Cochrane to compare Vannater to Hitler was outrageous, another lawyer would have lost his bar card for that remark.
And we all know why he didnt
no he did not - that was Mark Fuhrman that he was referring to. And it was very over the top - but no less than saying another lawyer would be disbarred for it - that is equally ridiculous.
@@kanyebreast6072why he didn’t?
Perhaps, because they were racist and we all know it!!!
@@kanyebreast6072because he was right 😂
@@pjpredhomme7699Fuhrman is a card carrying Neo nazi so the comparison was very fitting.
Good interview Charlie.
Everyone in the world knows the butcher got free because of a joke of a justice system and stupid jurors who did not understand DNA or forensic evidence! How the lawyers who defended him sleep at night ,still escapes me. In every normal country with all that INSANELY overwhelming forensic evidence,the slaughterer would have been sentenced to life prison. But in America, the racial circus and everything that had nothing to do with the two innocents murdered, came to play. We in other countries watched lauging via tears ,disgusted and dismayed . This case was a sham of US justice.
He was freed because of prior societal wrongs committed by the LAPD , the beating the riots that were still smouldering , that’s why he was acquitted
When you have a police officer pleading the fifth about evidence being planted or fabricated its very difficult to secure a conviction.
The jurors said they thought he was guilty, but acquitted him to avenge the previous "perceived" wrongs done by the LAPD against darker-skinned Americans. What they did to Rodney King was absolutely criminal, and justice for Ron and Nicole paid the price.
The jurors weren't dumb. They had an agenda, and knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
Everyone who actually took the time to do research about the actual facts of the case knows OJ couldn’t have killed them. Don’t feel bad, you and many others have been fed a biased and false view of what actually happened. I’ll just share facts about one the detectives talking here and the other star detective you didn’t know or refuse to acknowledge:
The LAPD had unrestricted and unlimited access to Nicole’s property, OJ’s property, and the Bronco with minimal security. They had Tom Lange (the bald dude here) admitting on the stand he drove around with blood evidence. I mean he even drove home with it. You had a blatantly racist detective, (THE STAR witness detective) on tape spewing racist rhetoric and admitting to planting evidence to bolster previous cases. A lot of the blood evidence had traces of EDTA, an anti blood coagulant, used to keep blood fresh in test tubes.
There’s far more circumstantial evidence to prove that the LAPD planted and tainted evidence than valid evidence of OJ’s guilt.
If I’m a juror, I’m far more likely to believe the LAPD, with a track record of valid injustice towards blacks, planted evidence than a dude who’s never seriously injured anyone brutally murdering two people. One of them, the mother of his children and for some reason leaving her for his kids to find.
@@Gbari7 Wow , wilful blindness is incredibly powerful . Amazing.
Rest In Peace to Det. Vannatter. Tom Lange is still doing well. (looks the same in April 2024) These were 2 great detectives, if I had been murdered on their watch, I would be pleased to have them working my case. Tom and Phil worked out of robbery-homicide, where only the best are assigned, robbery-homicide worked out of 1 office, but covered all of Los Angeles. The killer got off and he died a couple weeks ago. OJ got what he paid for, his defense team to get him off. Do I like that OJ got off? Hell no, did his attorneys do what they were hire for? Yes.
If you were murdered on their watch in the 90’s, if there was a black guy in a 15 mile radius from you within a day of the murder, you can be sure that dude would be charged for it. That much we can be assured of.
@@Gbari7 These 2 were detectives for decades and never had one complaint filed against them you can look it up. You seem to think all officers in LA were meanie racist or something. You are a simpleton.
@@averydaymond1560 I don’t need to insult someone to make my point. Look up the Rampart scandal. Corruption went all the way to the top in the 90’s and early 2000’s. One bad apple spoils the bunch and they often covered for each other. During the OJ trial they admitted to driving from crime scene to crime scene, around town, and home with blood samples. If they were so decorated and experienced, why would they make such a foolish “mistake”? Wake up and stop ignoring the facts.
@@Gbari7 If one bad apple spoils the whole bunch then how would you personally approach black perpetrated crime?
Pay attention, these men were detectives of the highest rank with an impeccable resume. You’ve been listening to Alan Dershowitz who is full of nonsense every time he discusses OJ.
Even a comedian (Dana Carrey) was able to put things in perspective here because it’s so obvious. He pointed out you’d have to have at minimum 100 people in on this so called frame up to even keep it quiet let alone pull it off. Not only that they’d have to be the 100 most important people investigating the case. All the detectives would undoubtedly have to be in on it. ALL the lab technicians and ALL the attorneys for the DA. Which would be an impossibility.
In 30 years of dozens of interviews OJ never bashed detectives Lang or Vannater. In the mythical scenario where OJ is framed OJ would’ve bashed and trashed those men every single time he discussed the case but he didn’t.
Tom Lange also was a detective on the Wonderland murder , and for some of the The Night Stalker victims . He’s seen some of those most horrible things people can do to each other
I thought Tom was going to say I regret have marsha Clark on this case?
He probably wouldn't say it in this forum but certainly he did feel that way.
I thought he was going to say I regret driving around town with blood evidence from the scene and from OJ. I think that, among many other LAPD “blunders”, really had the jurors doubting the validity of the… “mountain” of evidence.
Why are portions of audio missing?
Wtf why have you replaced audio ?
Where is the full audio for this? Anyone know??
"Amazon" might have Rose's past shows. (They did at one time. Before he was "cancelled.")
“I bleed all the time” … sounds like an innocent man to me
Thinking back on that trial, I was really surprised that they never brought up the chase.
Why does the audio drop out?
You should not make mistakes in a crime scene you have the potential to wrongfully put some one in prison for life or death
Certainly when you carry ojs blood sample to the crime scene. Not a good look.
Asked if that was common Tom said no.
Or if he has ever done that in an crime scene investigation ever in his decade. No.
The guy is a scoundrel.
@@oldironsides4107 OJ haters don't want to hear the truth.
Vannatter had a Vial of blood of Ron,Nicole and OJ.100% of the blood to frame OJ.
@Phillip Williams I thought oj was guilty for over 20+ years
I he at people say they watched the trial. That would be impossible to do it’s all day and That would be a full time job
What people did here is sensationalized misinformation by Everyone on tv
It would be criminal to convict anyone. As there is clearly reasonable doubt.
Lapd was collecting blood samples without gloves or not even switching gloves and it’s on video tape.
There is a hundred things due to incompetence planting the bloody sock.video of his house then an hour later a sock in the middle of his bedroom floor which wasn’t there on the video earlier.
Ojs blood had edta a preservative from his sample he voluntarily gave which he shouldn’t have
Missing blood from the sample he gave. And the murder scene is a blood bath. No blood I’m ojs shower washer home even drains
But there is just small blood drops the size of a pinhead from that blood bath.
Furman pleading theb5th about if he has ever planted evidence in his career before. The guy found all the evidence the gloves. A dot of blood on the bronco handle in the dark.
All of that blood and the evidence is a couple ccs the same missing from his sample.
5 of Ron’s friends were murdered or disappeared in an 18 month span
Now there isn’t alot of 24 year old really rich waiters in LA living the high life from a waiter job.
They’re selling drugs.
5 rich white kids shot to death 2 throat cuts and 2 vanished off the face of the earth
Just your average 18 months span of rich la kids all with bad luck to get murdered.
Not that it matters but I’m an old white guy.
@@oldironsides4107 Great Analysis.I work afternoons,I watched a couple hr's daily,after work , I watched more.Court TV was commercial free.They also owned the trial.All channels showing the trial had to pay court TV.
People expect of others what they cannot do themselves.
6:43 talking about how the defense altered public perception of the LAPD....yet describes the officers in Rodney King as having "over reacted" or some officers having "racist tendencies" that in itself is an altered perception of their own officers clearly displaying misconduct and racism. What altered public perception is this kind of denial or altered explanation for what was clearly misconduct within their own-even in that clip it is evident.
SH C
Repent or get bent!
ojsimpson.co/oj-lapd-interrogation/
You put my thoughts into words!
Remember, during this time period the LAPD had a murderer within their ranks named officer Stephanie Lazarus. The LAPD covered-up
this murder for over 30 years.
Blah blah blah
Personally the one person involved in the case that I sincerely believe is Tom Lang. He has been has been very open , honest and matter of fact throughout the entire thing.
YESSS! . But they keep talking about a mountain of evidence. Go to O.J. TRIAL UNCUT here on CZcams. It she's the entire trial from prelim to verdict. And yes I thought he did it. But after seeing it all for the 1st time. I don't think so. Vanatter,Peratis, and Martz, just a few that lied on the stand under oath. And the time line. Check it out.
@@richardrogers8996 , Ok I'll check it out. I'll let you know what I think after.
@@misbellesmith9310 watch oj25 on courttv.com its free theyre revisiting the trial week by week. On episode 22 there is gonna be 32 in total. You'll see how the defence rips apart the prosecution and all the witnesses they had. Marcia clark was an arrogant bitch and darden was a bafoon.. they had nothing.
@@Eastvanucks , Sounds interesting. I'll check it out. Thank you.
I agree. TL wanted to solve the homicides. Furman wanted revenge on OJ. Phil wanted to ignore this case! 📂
Vanatter still lying about Simpson not being a suspect.
And Lang still thinks the house cleaner answers the phone at 5 AM.
They would lose again if they had a retrial.
Exactly
Exactly what?
But they did have a retrial and won , the civil case was a trial
Only one suspect killed 2 , Simpson left his Evidence behind .
It's called "living in denial"
They don’t regret anything? typical law enforcement ego!! certainly there a lot of things they should have done the right way. like not going back I forth from crime scene to crime scene so there is no question of cross contamination period!
100% Correct!
It is baffling that any detective would be at both locations , especially in such a large police department you can’t tell me they couldn’t have sent someone else to OJs place
Love the audio drops on this. :/
Thought I accidentally pressed the mute button.
Why in the hell is that??
it's a cover-up
After the detectives confirm it was an "interview" not an interrogation, Charlie goes ahead and refers to it as an "interrogation"... wth?
Did a Ghost edit / mute this ??
Why does the audio go out around 15:22?
Whats with tom lange throwing up the devi horns on the thumb nail to this video?
That means Kato should of been a suspect also. The glove was found outside Katos bungalow at Rockingham. The glove would have fit Kato. 🤔
Kato would have no need for ISOTONER gloves in LA
Isotoner gloves is used in cold denver colorado where Kato would go to ski. So yes he could have had a pair. And maby Nicole bought a pair for Christmas. A small pair for Kato a larger pair for oj. Lets see who else we can buy a pair for. IF THE GLOVES DIDNT FIT YOU MUST ACQUIT
fools so desperate to alibi for OJ that now they are even blaming Kato for it LOL
@@edalexander6155 Kato left no evidence at the crime scene , Simpson did , Grow up kid
@mr.majestic3851 im 67 yrs old and a realist how old are you. U grow buddy. Anything is possible.
wow....charlie rose has really aged in 20 years
So have you .
@@Jewish.Redneck.Hybrid I was so much older then I’m younger than that now.
Shame the audio is ruined
Lapd has blood on their hands. They needed to be perfect. They were not.
No, OJ had blood on his hands. Easy.
Evidence came out in the civil trial that not only did Vannatter take Oj's blood sample back to the crime scene but also both victims samples.
Yeah he tried to frame oj
@@hotboy80baby18 lol
I'm amazed that this bit of info almost literally NEVER gets talked about on any of these shows...
@@hotboy80baby18 If they didn’t try to frame him, they at least cut corners thinking they would’ve found indisputable evidence that OJ did it. They never did ! The glove at Rockingham was planted so they can bypass a warrant to search the house . These cops are disgusting! And I’m not saying OJ is innocent . I’m saying the cops are guilty
The blood drops were SEEN, NOTED, and PHOTOGRAPHED at both Bundy and Rockingham BEFORE O.J. gave any blood sample. He took them to the criminalist at the crime scene who was doing his job collecting evidence.
Wow they jumped the fence without a warrant because they were concerned about OJ? Insane.
Meanwhile, a KKK cop is leading the two lead detectives around like the piped piper
he murdered people and you know that....what ever the cops did was justified
SUNMAYDEN518
Nope 👎🏼
Right jump dense bc concern for OJ that's BS, reason to plant evidences rush to judgement , protect evidence , right, could not prove a timeline except Alan parks statement time we was at Rockingham, no ckye when 2 ppl was murdered, not a clue, so let's get OJ, reason he was found not. Guilty, most of all Furhmam lies, he had Katie cover for him while he meaning mark Furhman, gave 3 thumps, I am done Kateo , after finding out from Kato Simpson left for Chicago from kateo, Durham had plenty time g o crime scene move things around come back drop glove at Rockingham, yes something was wrong LAPD framed Simpson , what other reason yea OJ bleeding to death, RIGHT, reasonable doubt Katie worked plan with Mark F
Right Bob, concern about O J, we dud not fall off turnip truck June 12
Fix the sound.
Vannater is not convincing but langue seems to be every where I saw him on a John Holmes doc too
The Wonderland Murders
So no one sees that this tape has been altered and parts skiped over?
oj did it
@@ADavis-oq4et HE DIDN'T
@@ADavis-oq4et OJ IS INNOCENT
@@ADavis-oq4et OJ DIDN'T DO IT,BUT HE KNOWS WHO DID IT...AND THE FBI KNOWS
Yep. Audio has been altered.
What happened to the sound?
Muted by YT
It's common knowledge that the first suspect of the murder are the spouses and or bfs and gfs
Correct. Nicole Simpson was not a mob captain or cartel member. She was a wife & mother in Brentwood CA.
Best parts were cut out for some reason
RIP Detective Vannatter
Lange is a by the books cop, but his partner Vanatter is as corrupt as they come
Vanatta dirty ...dead,age 70
And how do you know this? Are you clairvoyant?
Whatever. He's a good cop..they both are
13:30 Hearing Tom Lange declare that it was an interview not an interrogation defies ALL evidence to the contrary. I specifically remember the video short of OJ in handcuffs at the crime scene BEFORE being taken downtown for this so-called interview. Once a person has been detained, it is an interrogation. Every cop in America knows that difference.
I believe the handcuff scene was later on
@@DavidMcdonald-df8tb no the handcuff scene was before they talk to him. But you can listen to the full audio of them talking to OJ, it is not an interrogation. They’re just talking to him and asking him questions very calmly.
@@kevinjames5116 OJ met with detectives on Monday of his own accord. He wasn't even a suspect yet although he was a person of interest. They asked him about the cut on his finger and he gave three different answers in thirty seconds.
After more evidence and a few days later they handcuffed him but undid them thinking there's no way this guy tries to run.😊
@@DavidMcdonald-df8tb I know. They actually handcuffed him before he met with them. They handcuffed him briefly when he got back from Chicago on Monday before he went to the station.
Now _that_ statement by Vannatter summed up the entire case. 12:05
what is wrong with sound , this guys are great detectives!!!!!!!!!!!!! why no body listen to them ????!~!!!!!!
Frankly Furman referred to them as Mutt and Jeff..
Furman is a jerk. He should have been fired from the force
@@DavidMcdonald-df8tb did more after he left than those guys
He should have been fired for his behavior way before the OJ case
I hate to have to say it, but Fuhrman was the most competent detective in the matter. Lange was the adult in the room, but Vanatter I think determined early on that OJ had to have been involved. Law Enforcement generally takes the view that when a woman is killed the spouse/significant other is a suspect unless they have an alibi, and OJ didn't do especially well in his initial "interview" with them.
Howard Weitzman should have never allowed it to happen. Whether it happened because OJ genuinely didn't do it or he thought he could fool them into thinking he didn't, I have no idea. I suspect he really was thrown by everything. He'd been in multiple cities over the prior week, logged a ton of hours in transit, rushed all around to attend various function [and, of course, had to get his multiple golf outings in], then taken two flights to and from Chicago and probably hadn't slept much at all over the prior 48 hours. Regardless of what his feelings were toward Nicole, hearing that she'd been killed very likely screwed with his head. Again, his representation - Taft, Weitzman and even Kardashian - should have never let him anywhere near the police, particularly when none of them really knew anything about the matter at that point.
Fuhrman's problem wasn't that he was a "racist" [which, in and of itself, doesn't equate to planting evidence] but of having people in his past he'd made dumb comments to - that had absolutely nothing to do with the case - who were willing to come out of the woodwork either for money or notoriety and reveal anything that would help the defense, whether it was true or not. Also, the defense badly mishandled his involvement and, effectively, did nothing to stop the defense from going off on all the tangents related to him - not one of which actually proved he'd planted evidence. His invoking the Fifth Amendment was more a result of him being angry at the prosecution for the way they handled his questioning. Whether or not he specifically sought to torpedo the case I have no idea, but again you can blame Clark and Darden for the way they dealt with their own witnesses. Hindsight being 20/20 it's easy to say he should have done this or he should have done that, but in the moment there wasn't anything more he could have done than work the case to the best of his ability.
By the time the whole group got to Rockingham and couldn't make contact with anyone via phone they could have attempted to get a search warrant based on the lack of response and the blood they saw on the Bronco. I also believe they should have known that, with OJ's celebrity status, any misstep would have been problematic so they should have been extra-careful with everything they did. There was no indication that they were. That was entirely on Vanatter as he was the lead detective from the time he arrived on the scene.
Also, the Bundy crime scene should NOT have been destroyed a mere 12 hours later.
@@DavidMcdonald-df8tb MF wanted to take a psych retirement, leave but LAPD said no. 📂
21:58 WTF is up with the sound in this?
You didn't have interview Simpson. He wasn't going anywhere.
That theme song
So much evidence.....
Vannatter has a nervous laugh when he feels uncomfortable and displayed it routinely when Robert Shapiro crossed examined him and ultimately shredded him.I think juries pick up on this behavior.
Good observation. I noticed it too and I'm sure the jurors did also. These guys did OJ dirty...and they know it. I think Furhmans partner Brad Roberts took some of the missing OJ blood that Vannater took to Rockimgham. He never testified.
@@Jim.Jim.32 it allllll pointed to OJ
Pedaissance exactly. Thinking OJ is innocent is caused by either low IQ (literally the inability to reason without distraction or emotion) AND low EQ or just pure ignorance of the facts. I honestly wouldn’t even want to be cordial with someone who openly advocates for O.J. Simpson’s innocence. It exposes their innate mediocrity on the most fundamental level of human existence
@@Pedaissance - Along with the EDTA,and the impossible timeline.
@@philipwilliams1754 are you implying that OJ didn't do it?
The DNA testing was a new science back in 1994 but it had been a proven source to rely upon , every avenue was used to deny its capture of evidence by the Defense , it was clearly thier focus , to cloud the jury into disbelieving the amount of blood evidence was the case . The direction of the heavily lawyered OJ ,which he had 5 , was for each one to have his job . Cochran to manipulate the jurors and statements of evidence gathered was by a racist police officer , each one added to bring doubts to the jury , each one had their part to play . A cost of $8 million
Just admit, we fucked up, and stop throwing Mark Fuhrman under the bus.
The defence lawyers were out of the depths too
rip to all involved
I never knew Golf was a contact sport and made you bleed.
They had nothing . You got his blood. And you spread what little you could at bundy and rockingham
Oh shut up, moron.
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Who edited this?OJ?
the cops ass
Even if the glove Furman found was excluded the evidence proved it was oj
Fuhrman would have been foolish to "plant" evidence at Rockingham after going over the wall without knowing OJ's whereabouts, or the time of the murders. O.J. could have had an airtight alibi.
@@ericcoltrane3029 but he did know OJs whereabouts...he asked Kato and arnelle!!!
That's bull they handcuff him soon as he got there
OJ said he respected Tom and thought he was fair on the stands. It’s crazy how this case turned into race and everything under the sun. I believe if OJ didn’t do it he had someone do it and he admitted he did it.
I think the son Jason doing it has some real traction , he had a history of threatening and assaulting people with a knife
What evidence do you got , none
All the evidence points to OJ. There's no evidence that someone else was involved.
19:50 FACT : high paid defense attorneys are the most expertise manipulators of the truth as their objective is improving their success rate of non convictions to further their practice , securing high er paying clients .
I thought these 2 guys being leading detectives at crime scene .i thought they were forbiden to leave and go to OJ house
I find it hard to believe these guys never knew fuhrman and it was their first time together. And how convenient to distant yourself from all the abhorrent behavior that must be a common occurrence within LAPD or any other major city
Read their book is my sincere request. I just finished it. Charlie is out to lunch here. 1st he says the title wrong ('Dismissed Evidence')... when it is 'Evidence Dismissed'... come on Charlie. Then when the detectives clearly address the distinction between interrogation and interview, (and it WAS an interview), Charlie goes ahead and calls it an interrogation. Do you have a nose instead of two ears Mr Rose? What happened to respect here?. That's why anyone who wants to know details should read the book, because it is certainly well documented. The two are honest and dutiful. The fact that they had to put up with so much criticism merely proves what Phil said about the whole focus of the trial being skewed.
You find it hard to believe they don't know everyone of the 8000 LA pd spread out over a huge area. I work in a place with 400 people and sometimes meet people for the first time years later.
Philip Vannatter never read Fuhrman notes About the fingerprint on the gate (Marcia Clark)
Johanny Jack-Fhurman did not mention a glove in his original report.
You believe Fhurman.?
Johnny Jack-If there was a print whom was it.?
You arrive at a blood bath. They standard operations procedure is to give the detectives a walk around. He did not mention fingerprint on walk around. Also, if you really were concerned about a bloody fingerprint you put an officer to stand there to make sure that anyone coming in doesn’t disturb the print on the door. You may glance at the notes but it’s not not something you study until after you leave the scene .
Out of all the cops Fuhrman is the last one I would believe or take seriously. I'm no detective, however if I saw a bloody fingerprint at the crime scene am I going to just put a brief point about it in the middle of a notebook and not say a word to any other detective or criminalist at the scene about immediately preserving it? It seems so ridiculous it has to be a stupid lie from Fuhrman just like he lied on the stand about his racism.
Worst upload I have seen on youtube.com in a long, long time. Someone needs to put a new cut of this up so the interview looks clean and is professional. The missing audio is also a problem because it gets to the core of their case. I have been watching hours and hours of video on OJ Simpson and the trial and they really wanted a chance to clear their names but the whole audio of the "interview" between the detectives and OJ does show that they could have held his feet to the fire much more than they did.
I don't think they could've been more aggressive. If O.J. felt they were being aggressive he would've walked out or lawyered up.
These two guys don't come across as being honest. Go get breakfast
Give me a break. They don’t seem honest?? How so?
Yea it was cut before Chicago.. i remember bleeding in my house.. then I went to the bronco .. yea I bleed all the time, I play golf.
Is bleeding common among golfers? I'm not a golfer
Never tested the inside of the gloves for DNA
How come Phil kept blood samples on his persons and went home with it and brought it back? Cause that sort of thing...even though he never did it before didn't look suspicious, right?
Vannatter lied then and he's lying here about why they had furman go over that wall, they called OJ's house for 15 minutes and they just couldn't accept the fact that he wasn't home or maybe was just sleep. When they arrived they parked not at the main entrance but on the other side so as not to raise any suspicion if anyone saw them. They knew FULL WELL in their heads OJ was a suspect and if he was home they wanted to have the element of surprise so he couldn't run, destroy evidence or whatever else. He wasn't the next of kin so there was no reason four high ranking detectives would need to abandon one crime scene to make this notification. Also there was no indication whatsoever that someone may have been in need of medical attention even seeing the tiny blood drop on the Bronco, what were they gonna do, give him a band aid? They insulted the intelligence of the jury and any person with a double digit IQ by keeping up such an unnecessary lie.
Yes the former spouse is always a potential suspect so there was every reason to go there even four people. Plus the crime scene was secured by other officers so they we justified leaving. When they had no answer from the gate they had to go over there wall this was an urgent need to find him the mother of his children (still at the house) was basically decapitated so they had every urgent need to locate him. They did everything by the book.
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They WERE NO MATCH!!!
Charlie Rose is notorious for interrupting his guests!!
The gloves are a problem for me , just carelessly dropped in 2 locations ? It makes no sense
They weren't carelessly dropped. One was lossed in a struggle at the murder scene and one was lossed when when he was sneaking around the back of the house.
Furman planted 1 🧤 to make it seem like OJ tossed a glove as he rushed back. 🏠
@@DavidLLambertmobile Furman didn't know when the murders happened, he didn't know if there was an eyewitness to the crime and he didn't know if OJ had an alibi. Planting evidence would be extremely risky.
@DavidMcdonald-df8tb the LAPD RHD detectives found both gloves, Furman took blood from the SID lab sample, vial & added a few drops to the leather glove, took it to OJs place, 🏡 made it seem like OJ tossed it as he rushed back.
@@DavidLLambertmobile I'm sure someone said or wrote that but there is no evidence of it. For instance can you give me the names of the officers that said that?
Furman was a despicable cop but there is a problem with the story you were told. Furman didn't know the time of the murders. He didn't know if there was an eyewitness to them. He didn't know if OJ had an alibi. All of those things would have meant OJ wasn't a suspect yet and Mark would have been in trouble for taking and planting evidence.
It was too big a risk if it backfired and easily could have. He didn't know if Kato was telling the truth at the time. He didn't know if the murders happened after midnight and an eyewitness had seen a White man leave the scene and OJ would have been on a plane at that time.
Remember Furman believed that OJ was in Chicago when he supposedly planted the glove and OJ was. It would be a really stupid move for a 20 year veteran cop to do.
The defense did a great job of presenting this hypothesis and I believed it for a while.
Those 2 are still lying even after they lost.
Vanatter during the trial said he could book the blood in 10 minutes at the Parker Center and here he says he couldnt.
What a nutjob
You oj sympathizers are complete wackjobs.
The fuck up the interrogation! And they think they didn't did anything wrong
Rampart Scandal
Very funny, Lange reveals the lie/perjury that Simpson wasn't a suspect from the start when at 1min50sec he says he regrets not doing a final walk through of the crime scene because he had to go INTERVIEW Simpson!
Hahaha he seen a broken stick on the ground so we thought he might be dying inside his house
yea they were really smart hahaha
Way go Jedi King
Do not blame the jury for voting not guilty, I do not believe Simpson killed them, but if he did the state couldn't prove it, could not prove or put Simpson at crime scene all they know when the dogs start barking , and time he left for Chicago, evidence a big joke, sprinkling blood here and there , and please the socks , Simpson pretty smart if he did it without having bloody prints in bronco white carpet, as Barry Sheck said, something is wrong
@@jamesanagnos6123 so smart they passed case to jury, after Mark F. Testimony judge Ito should have dismiss the trial and locked him up along with Kato the two face house guest bummer who knew about glove and called his girlfriend as alibi, his head shaking during trial
@@dixiedeed4918 the guy did it, come on dixie
It pisses me off so bad that the police were the ones interrogated & questioned more than the actual perp. This ridiculous reporter is doing the exact, same thing. Nauseating!
Police are not gods...police are not above the law....as the "rampart trials" showed us, there are a ton of dirty cops in Los Angeles engaged in Gang activity...heck the movie training day was based off of a real person!
This could have been good if it wasn't so screwed up...
Let’s see, blood, hair, clothing fibers and DNA. All found at his residence, no one else’s…….what could possibly go wrong………🙈
These guys were, seemingly, good. Lol
But the way they went about certain things like d. lang saying, "we wanted his blood" or that they couldn't have turned back for a warrant shows how they've really leaned in and used their authority back then
Barry Scheck avoided answering the question of tampering. He said "I think we proved it", instead of "yes, I'm certain there was tampering". I call bullshit.
The blood was OJ's. It just wasn't there when the crime occurred. The ability to plant evidence and get away with it is common in the police force.
all the oj attorneys have blood on their hands
Because the cops were arrogant and thought OJ would plead guilty as most Blacks plead guilty with less evidence against them. They never thought he would fight back and hire his own experts.
When the Fuhrman tapes came out in court, internal investigations substantiated everything Fuhrman said and led to the Rampart Scandal in which thousands of convictions were overturned due to planted evidence.
J Mo Vannater had all three blood samples at one time it was presented in the civil trial
Johnnie Cockroach manipulated that dumber than rocks jury, not to mention, Clark and Darden weren't the brightest either. At least Simpson served 9 years in prison and 4 years strict parole. Better than nothing.
Have these people never nicked or skinned their finger doing things and not notice until a time later? I guess their hands are baby soft or something. Mine get dry and I’ll start bleeding - usually not enough to drip but won’t notice until I smear blood on something as I pick it up. Also couldn’t it be true oj did all the things he said he did? Chip golf balls make phone calls and take a quick nap. All could be done in the time he had at rockingham. The real question is how a guy soaked in blood killed two people got clean disposed of the evidence and made it back to rockinhham and only left some socks, blood drops and a glove behind in 25 mins. If the timeline don’t fit your jury acquits.
YES THAT'S WHY HE GOT AN AQUITTAL BECAUSE Y'ALL WENT OVERBOARD ON SETTING HIM UP...DUMMIES...AND THROWING FURHMAN LITTLE HANDS GLOVES OVER THE GATE WAS HILARIOUS
ojsimpson.co/oj-lapd-interrogation/
OJ INNOCENT. MMHMMM SUGAR.
WHY ARE WE SHOUTING??
Since when detective goes to a house to investigate if the ex husband is safe or not? that is the dumbest answer I have heard, usually they could do that if it was a kidnapping …
but not a homicide ….they do check it, but later on, not within a hour 😅😅😅😅
OJ was a massive celebrity and Rockingham was quite close to Bundy. The bottom line is that they did not know where O.J. was when they went to Rockingham. It makes absolutely no sense that the LAPD decided to frame Simpson for the murders on finding the bodies and that dozens of member of the department intentional aided in such an effort. There has never been any evidence of any such thing. For all they knew on discovering the bodies, O.J. had an airtight alibi.
What would have been the point of such a conspiracy? Why would they do such a thing to O.J. Simpson? He had never been anti-police, he hadn't even commented on the Rodney King matter. He played golf almost daily with his white Jewish lawyer buddies at Riviera Country Club. He dated only white women. He had no part in the black community.
@@ericcoltrane3029 Ots funny how they got right away to his place, when usually they never ever do this because they don’t know nothing, even the witnesses did not know enough for them to go to his house.
And since we are not sure if he did it , he was released .
The main problem was Furman with his 5th amendment which rippled the trial since HE found the glove ….bit he was at both locations ….
He did not like black people , that is true, he must have his reasons but in court, it does more wrong than good 🤪
A vehicle askewed rear end sticking out a little bit and misplaced stick means someone in the house is dead or dying. Is that universal or something like a tie on the door knob?
You forgot the little sprinkles of blood outside.
The stick he’s referring to was used by Fuhrman hours earlier when he went the first time. Fuhrman picked up the glove at Bundy using the stick, put it in a blue plastic police bag and took it to rockingham and put it in the bronco. This was all before he went the second time with Lange and Vannater. Arrogant fuhrman left the stick sitting there on the sidewalk lawn.
It was only after Kato mentioned the thumps that fuhrman then took the glove out of the bronco and put it on the back walkway where we all saw it
These two guys and the defense lawyers did their job.
The prosecutors and anti-white-cop jury didn’t.
He said they MADE MISTAKES!!!
i really like every person in this case on both sides. which sucks most for vanatter since he did do an awful job, not turning that blood in immediately.
fingerprints never compared to jason...
jason 's never interviewed by lapd orrrr prosecutors
never checked jasons alibi.
oj must have re opened the wound on his finger in chicago after he got the bleeding to stop in brentwood -why does the audio give out?
The skipper was a very corrupt detective
Is that possible he didn’t know Furman when Bernard parks turned down his promotion knowing his reputation
The skipper should have been investigated long time ago and they probably would have found out he was a member of MAW
These guys did there job……very well….everyone else failed them…..
He was the only one who made any sense i the entire Fuckup Tom Lange!!!
This was a bad CZcams video. Audio all screwed up.
These two decectives were seasoned professionals. Yeah professionals. Semper Fi Tom ! Norm McDonald !!!
incompetent socipaths
I think Lange is an ok guy
Ito let the famous defense lawyers walk all over him. That's what went wrong.