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Hey 👋🏻 I am active duty and looking to go SF. Im rather thin up top and the standard issue rucks aren’t the best would a slimmer ruck like this help? And can we even have non military issue rucks in selection? Thank you brotha!
This is one of the chillest ex-SF guys on CZcams. Honest, none of that toxic "go hard or go home" BS. Feel like I could actually have a discussion with you. Keep it up, man.
My college professor was former NG SF and he had the same demeanor. Super confident and assured in a chill and low key way. He said most SF guys (he knew) tended to be more cerebral and chill.
Imagine what It’s like tho cause if you ever make it to a team your going to have those toxic people on the team no matter what you do lol and then there’s gonna be one that’s super chill that’s who you wanna stride to be In everything you do
Frr
true, also Mark Billingham shares similar "always a little bit further" mindset which is very motivating once you set high goals to get to
18.4 mile ruck yesterday. 44lbs dry, 3200ft of elevation, 5h45m. Only one small blister! Thanks for the tips, they were a huge help!
That is awesome!
@@FNGACADEMY props to you for doing this shit for us when you’ve already done proven yourself and lived that life. Huge help.
That’s awesome! Way to get after it!
I could do it in 4h50m do better
@@mallman23 great for you, hot shot. All I hear is “could,” not “did.”
Hiker tip:
take an old pair of thick OTC (overthecalf) socks. Cut the feet off at the ankle & use the leg part as a sleeve. Undo the strapping belts on your shoulder straps. Put the socks on the straps, poke holes where the buckles are, put the belts back together
..now you have extra padding that also absorbs sweat (as a sock should do). But the coolest thing..
Is that the sock rounds out the edges on the shoulder strap and gives you a soft material all the way around.
Plus on the cold nights, you now have 2 extra leg or arm warmers👍🏼
Now take the feet you cut off, stretch em out and do the same thing to the cummerbund hip pads and soften those bad boys up too & in a pinch they can be used as extra mittens to warm hands faster.
I actually doubled up on these ‘sock sleeves’ and made em twice as thick.
..also there is usually a space behind the back pad part of the cummerbund that’s perfect to tuck in a beanie (or extra socks). This adds a bit more (dual purpose) padding to the back side of that belt area.
I have rocked the Mystery Ranch Nice Frame with a Tactical Tailor Malice Pack for 8+ years doing Recce work and it has never let me down even with 100+ lbs in it during long infils.
Really appreciate the honest product review! Looking forward to more breakdowns of items that the military uses that can be good for every day carry!
more to come!
old guy, non military but experienced hiker/rucker here - i have a Dana Design (the precursor company) from 1992 that i still use. its in great shape and has held up to 75 pounds for me. this pack won't die and i haven't found a pack (in 30 years) that is (meaningfully) better.
Thanks Buck. love what you do and the energy you and your team bring.
The one sf use now are the “black jacks” with the “NICE” frame so maybe those are more like kit bags? I don’t know but I can say with the plate situation putting it behind the frame with the overload feature is a sweet spot for it never tried it with two though so who knows
I have the small backpack version not the ruck but the ideology behind the slim line ruck sack version is for when you are rucking and you have to go through a narrow spot if your body could fit through it your narrow ruck could fit through it instead of having to take off your ruck or fight/wiggle your way through that narrow passage. That is the thinking behind the narrower rucksack
Thank you😺👍
I found the MR issued bag made its money when sitting over the plates. Was only issued the mid sized one, but it’s not a bad bag. Long maneuvers loaded heavy over rugged terrain played well with the JPC and I didn’t really even need to clip much on - just rode nicely. Narrower profile in relation to the volume when packed out also lent itself to sitting higher off the ground if you need to drop the bag, which made it easier to put back on and get up when packed full.
Awesome stuff, man! Keep it up!
Mystery Ranch is absolutely badass, been using it waaaaaaay before the Army actually. They have their own Mountain Ruck in the military category for more real estate, kinda the same with Blackjack series.
I may be defending MR or giving them much praise but it's just from previous experience with packs over the course of time. Including Tactical Tailor as well as Eberlestock. Either or, they're phenomenal and each to their own :)
Great video!
Ugh for reminding me of the Rollover technique. Also reminded me of the flying flip technique which works up to about 70 pounds.
One of my major complaints about the Medium ALICE packs was the narrow opening. It was a pain to get things in and out of. By the time One put in a sleeping bag and a radio, there was barely room for anything else.
Probably why the infamous butt bags were so popular.
I acquired a large ALICE and it was much easier to use. The problem was that I was now everyone's friend for extra crap.
Currently, I am using a 5.11 72 Hour pack. It's a medium duty pack. I have only tried up to 60 pounds in it.
I mostly use it for going to seminars, travel and teaching classes because I can specifically station gear where I can find it.
I have also used the 5.11 All Hazards Prime, iirc. It was decent for airline travel because it fit into the overhead bins but could hold decent weight.
Swiss gear is hit/miss on light duty backpacks.
5.11 covert is a decent day pack. Buckles need to be stronger. But I run about 30 pounds in them for my work kit and they hold up 3-4 years.
You can take a alice pack without a frame and attach it to a mystery ranch nice frame. I have a mystery ranch hot shot that I sewed a yeti cooler on for blood. Great med ruck
When I was in the 7th ID (Light), I was a mortarman, I mastered the rollover technique. Humping a baseplate is no joke.
I bet! the rollover sucks lmao
the plate of woe..
Sean, thanks for all the great videos and advice you have helped me find the fire to go back to selection after being a non-select the first time. Just got your foot care kit, can’t wait to review it and give ya the feedback. Thanks again.
That’s awesome. Good luck Jordan!
Hydrate, change your socks, embrace the suck.
Awesome vid. You've probably been bombarded with lots of recommendations of rucksacks to try but mine is fully heartily the Maxpedition Gyrfalcon the frame moves with you regardless of the weight you load. Trekked Everest base camp, Annapurna, Kilimanjaro with no issues.
Ty as always for your honest opinion
You bet!
Hey man I appreciate everything you’ve brought us thus far! I know you trickled in your knowledge on boots and foot care on a shit load of videos but I’m just curious if you’d ever make a video on the process. Ex picking boots, recovery, staring w baby feet (me), etc. shit load of infos already out there and I’m digging in, but I’d love to hear it from you lol
Mobbing around in minimal running shoes beating the shit out of my feet. I can’t figure on the best and most productive way to train quite yet. I know there needs to be balance but what would that look like. I’m going all in. Anyone who sees this please throw in some input
The ruck doesn't look quite as intimidating when it isn't overflowing with stuff.
nah
I personally prefer backpacks or anything designed to go on my back that has frames designed to keep it off your back so it doesn't trap heat.
That looked their "Guide Light Frame" (based on the load lifters), if you pick up one of their "NICE Frames" (you can get them used on EBay) the sleeve on your MALICE Pack will fit over the top of the frame just like your MALICE Frame giving you the best of both worlds... the large trash bag like volume of the ALICE/MALICE packs and the adjustability of the Mystery Ranch frame.
nice!
Excited to see you do the 100lb marathon
working on it! will be a long road
I had a large Alice pack with an upgraded tactical tailor frame and straps, padding. Held all my RTO stuff when I was recon with the 82nd. That sucker could hold a Volkswagen. 😆
Tenzing tz 6000 is a great large ruck I use for long hiking/hunting trips I can’t really compare it to other rucks besides the issued rucks in the army haha but I love it
“Broin it in & out” 🇺🇸 bro to bro, love your channel “Buck” 👍💪
Thanks homie!
One of the most frustrating things is being unable to acquire the frame only for a custom setup, I ended getting the good ol' Alice frame and its cargo shelf to carry some heavy stuff, that doesn't exactly translate to a huge volume.
Also ended getting an USMC FILBE pack as a freebie... that thing is huuuge, JFC, it's almost comical.
Keep up the great work man! 🤙
Exactly! I got this one because it’s the same frame and planned on doing a custom setup
..also, from my understanding, the basic ‘narrow bag’ design was designed for weight distribution to balance weight over your shoulder height. This idea helps put weight onto your shoulders from the top rather than adding to the down-pull weight of the shoulder straps. A down pull that your body wants to naturally counter by leaning forward.
Plus its meant to keep the hiker narrow, which helps us get through heavy brush, narrow crevices, narrow cliff paths, etc.
Having a ‘high pack’ might make it impossible to wear a hat backwards, but when sitting (or even walking) it does give you a headrest to lay your head back on. It’s a headrest that’s always where you need it whenever you need it.
The pack in this video is based on that design idea, but it doesn’t utilize the design the benefits, because it doesn’t even come up high enough. It’s a no frame design, but on a frame with no height.
🏆🏆🏆👍🇺🇲🙏
Thank you for sharing
You bet
When it comes to quality, comfort, price and being able to stuff my ruck. I have never had any problems with Eberlestock. I am just happy that my commands didn't have a problem with me using them instead of what I was issued.
Eberlestock makes a quality product!
My brother is a massive lover of backpacks and camping. Me not so much. Anyway, of all the expensive crap he owns mystery ranch is his favorite. Apparently those bags are uncomfortable at first but they have so many ways of adjusting them to perfectly conform to your body that once you get it right, there is no better fit
Nice! I’ll keep messing with it
ALICE, baby! She’s a tough ol’ gal who will take it all. Good stuff. DOL
New here. Great stuff so far! A question about rucking boots. I've started adding rucking back in to my training. Best rucking boots out there that won't cost me a fortune? 3, 2, 1...go!
Those mystery ranch pack gave me sticker shock! 😂 I got me a lil GoRuck pack. Did 25 pounds for 5 miles yesterday. Going for 25 for 8 miles tomorrow. Slowly but surely I'll be back!
As always, great gear review Brother! 🤘🏼
nice dude! yea they are known for being way too expensive
Good job Jay!
@@fng_kurt9617 thanks Kurt! My old ass will take all the encouragement I can get! 🤣
What are your thoughts on Kifaru rucks? Would love to see some content on them as they are also expensive packs.
I would love to watch you review the granite gear RECCE pack checks pretty much every box on the stuff you mentioned at the end and not a lot of people know about it
ill check it out!
When I was in the Army scouts, we had a different way of putting on a ruck. If I had one handy, I'd make a video to demonstrate. Also 60-80lbs.
You should do a video on Rucking in really bad weather, like heavy rain or snow.
will do
Thats a good idea. I just did a ruck in heavy wind and rain.. it was twice the work for sure.
I've got a Savotta 339 and as much as I like the pack for bushcraft I really wish it had a waist strap
waist straps are key
Military pack specs are wildly different from civilian pack specs. It is impossible to talk in military circles about packs and rucking without immediately hearing about weight. Obviously military missions require much more gear that adds a lot of weight, so this focus is valid. The indoctrinated love of the ALICE pack is strong.
Civilian packs are focused on capacity, not weight. It’s really, really rare for civilian-focused pack makers talk about their gear in terms of how much weight it can hold. The narrow shaping and lack of dead space in the lower back is designed with center-of-gravity in mind, keeping the load close to the spine and the hips.
But it is very interesting to hear the old “ounces equal pounds, pounds equal pain” from the same dudes hiking (outside the military) with 8” leather boots, combat pants, a rigger’s belt and 3 different knives.
Hey Buck love the channel as a mystery addict check out the Komodo dragon bvs I think youd like that as well as the SATL
Just curious if you’ve seen, used, or know of anyone who has used a stone glacier pack? They have hunting and a military line. The frame is more modular and adjustable then the mystery ranch. Curious on your thoughts. Thanks guys!
The Belgian special forces group and special operations regiment (Para Commando regiment) use the berghaus cyclops ll vulcan 100 liter rucksack.
They may have decided on a slimmer design, because I know a few SF guys who wanted slimmer rucks for easier maneuverability in wooded, rocky, and even urban areas for a surity that if their body can fit (through a door or crevis), then their ruck can fit. Pulling from my own experience in the mountains, nothing is worse than trying to fit through somehwere and your pack can't follow you and it becomes a hassle to take off and try to get it to you. However, it is like you said. It is mission dependent, and sometimes you don't need to worry about that as much.
Funny that this video came out today. I tried my ole green pain pill last night just for shits and grins. It had me wondering why I still see so many in use when there are "better" options. Kinda just figured guys go with what they know...
Now, I do have to say that (and this could be camera angle, etc) it looks like the MR doesn't fit you properly. The angle on the load lifters should be closer to 45* (again, could be camera angle). Then again, I am looking at MR site and they demo the pack with the lifters very vertical like that. I've never seen that before. I'll stick with my Kifaru.
Tighten those load lifters and watch the video on sizing the shoulder straps to you should help
I'd like to get ur opinion on the "Crossfire Australia" DG3 DG5 and DG16... Their MK7 can fit a house. I'm also looking at the eberlestock gunslinger/gunfighter 2
Crossfire is sending me a ruck now
@@FNGACADEMY Nice! It's definitely at the top of my list but I wish it had a rifle beaver tail like the eberlestock gunslinger/gunfighter. BUT I do have a rifle scabbard that can MOLLE to the pack anyway. I know u would only stow ur rifle under very specific environments
..have the DG3 and Mk7 for several years now and after 30 years of rucking military and civilian they're the best rucks for me and I've used the old ALICE large. Modded ALICE, MOLLE gen1 and gen2, SPEAR. Mystery Ranch and Kifaru and a lot of other UK bergans. The DG3 is nice for up to 3 days in mild weather and the Mk7 for cold weather or longer duration..
..the gunslinger 2 is nice but not enough room for all your kit for longer duration stuff, my ideal would be a gun bag on a Crossfire DG3 or DG16 frame..
i got a malice pack and never looked back. partly because getting another one is too expensive but mostly because it's jumpable and also served me well. I mean, im a little guy so i look like a ruck with legs from behind but it works for me. i wouldn't mind if it went up instead just out, but as you say, doesn't really adjust and the shoulder straps don't really adjust. plus for me it's squeaky af
That’s what I run as well
Great vid! What kinds of parameters do you have for choosing your own bag? Is there a short list of bags that you can go buy? Thanks!
the TT malice fits most of the requirements for SF and is jumpable
The only rucksack I'm familiar with is the ALICE system, large rucksack. Could you describe SF style rucksack in terms of the old ALICE ruck. Still have my ALICE ruck from days gone by.
People in SF love the Alice… cadre use rucks a lot, but once you are in group a ruck is rarely used
Can you use malice packs in regular infantry units?
As an Ex DOD contractor (C & T Field Gear) Military rarely purchases the BEST product. Even for SF…That’s why SF can basically use any type/brand they want either on their own dime or on their allowance.
Agreed
What mystery ranch is it and is this jumpable?
Hi, thank you for this video. Hope you will be able to reply to my comment. I would like to know what model Mystery Ranch ruck this is? There are many shown on their catalog page, thanx in advance and thank you for your service to our country.
Hey Buck, have you ever tried any of the GORUCK stuff like the GR2 or GR3?
The Ruckers may be better for training, but I actually prefer Mystery Ranch or Hill People Gear for better weight transfer to the shoulders and hips.
A very informative video , but I think I'll stick with my ILBE for the time.
So those rucks in my opinion is set up more so for mountain operations or recce not so much SUT I use there assault pack and love it and when I went through mountain warfare alot of instructors used those rucks and suggested that we'd get something close to that style for mountain operations. There not meant to hold alot of weight but can hold alot of gear.
Good to know!
Hey Buck will you make a video on this new ACFT and how will that impact selection and Q course!?!?
sure will
Talked to the present CSM at SFAS this weekend no change with the physical fitness test at the moment.
@@18AFitness those that began SFPC today were briefed on a diagnostic/baseline ACFT they will take tomorrow. Push ups (not hand release), pull ups (6 min) and 15:20 2 mile run. Ridiculous min score of 210.
Guys that failed the first ACFT of arriving, now since April 1, do pull ups instead of sit ups on the second test the following week. Still no published standards using pull ups but they are substituting them.
Have you tried the KitPimp 150l bergen? Personally it's the one I went for.
Hello, have you used Eberlstock military backpacks? They have many kinds of military backpacks, such as G4 and F4 and J79. I have been using Alice and Molle II large backpacks for several years and I like them very much, they are very simple. G4 and F4 have the same frame, while J79's frame is another two metal strips + plastic plate. I saw your video on CZcams. You introduced the backpack very professionally. I would like to ask if you have used Eberlestock military backpacks and can you give me your opinions. Thank you very much for your help😺👍
So what ruck do you like? What model Tactical Tailor is that at the beginning?
It’s the Malice, it’s awesome, just don’t go past 55-60 or it becomes a dud, I am thinking of using that pack with a MR frame
love u buck
Well thank ya!
Can you show the Patagonias and your full issue?
sure can
I could be wrong but i remember seeing something saying that the rucks are smaller so you cant over pack it. I also herd they are slim so they dont snag on everything but what do i know.
Either way, we always have a lot of shit that we have to carry, most of which is issued, so twice the size of expensive mountaineering equipment
Kind of a nerdy question but I’m a normal 11B and I find myself trying different rucks trying to close in on what the right size is for a 12 day patrol like ranger school. What is your opinion on how many cubic inches you feel you need for everything. I find myself if I have my tactical Tailor on I have enough space but put stuff in my pack to fill that space that I don’t actually need. And then on my normal Alice Large I find myself having just barely enough space.
The Malice is my choice, I do want to try customizing the malice pack to this frame though
Probably be easier fit to use bags of play sand instead plate weights.
Strapmaster 2000/ SPEARS pack system works well.
i thought the usasoc rucks were the blackjack models ? those things are big AF
Great review! What packs does SF commonly use?
Honestly our kit bags and tough boxes
@@FNGACADEMY I used ALICE, then DANA and now MystRanch. After using DANA for a year I took my ALICE and violently threw it in a dumpster to die... wish I had it back now for sentimental value, but I hated that pack.
What is your opinion of Oakley Kitchen Sink backpack? Does rucksuck matter as much as the weight or what you put into?
the ruck is super important, could mean the difference between discomfort and misery
@@FNGACADEMY gotcha. Could you provide the exact name of that SF rucksack so I can buy one? I like my Oakley backpack but maybe SF rucksack would be better.
cmon, we all know that the main pack we got issued in Marine Corps bootcamp is the best😂
is the SATL pack?? or the BlackJack?
Hey buck, I was wondering if I could interview you for my school project
I spent 2.5 years in the 12th group, and never used anything other than a large ALICE ruck.....LMAO.....
What ruck do you use Sean?
Mystery ranch what? What model is it?
Checkout Outdoorsman’s Pack Atlas Trainer. Theyre the sh*t for training for hunting
I don't have a ruck sack. The only ruck sack I have is one of those 1980s green Army bags with no padding, and a black backpack dressed up as a ruck sack that has such weak parts that everything just pulls apart and becomes loose if anything over 20 pounds is in it, giving me chaffing on my lower back whenever I run with it. I need to get one that sits on my back, not one that swipes it back and forth like it is looking through Tinder.
How about the upside down technique? Turn it upside down, lift it up, straighten your arms.
Kifaru went out of favor for some reason but it is absolutely superior. The Duplex based frame from Kifaru is leaps and bounds better than the MR NICE frame you're using here. If you get a chance to try one out, DO NOT HESITATE!
I believe Kifaru has a “tactical frame” which is a beefed up version of their hunting frame. And at some point Kifaru had a contract with Australian military where they created the Mountain Warrior/Tac Warrior packs like 5 years ago. But I haven’t heard or seen any specialized units use Kifaru, perhaps handful of guys ordered their own lacks? I think the main problem with Kifaru is that they’re a small company and don’t have the capacity to produce gear on scale that Mystery Ranch can.
@@dcentral and like everything else .gov they get what the contract calls for, not the best available. And you are right about everything you said, Kifaru makes the best external framed packs available. (pack design aside, just speaking on the load carrying capability)
I like mine for hunting, I can detach my pack and sandwich my first load of the kill in between the frame and pack. I never knew they were issued to SF.
hola,que modelo de mystery ranch es?
Comment for algorithm reasons. Keep it up!
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Are you just that buff or what? What size shirt do you wear for your merch? I think i needa do more weights lol
I should be large, a lot of my shirts are mediums though
What is your current go to pack?
malice, but i want to try the malice pack on a different frame
@@FNGACADEMY Classic choice
Are rucks from Tasmanian Tiger even on the radar in the US? I have never heard any one from the US Military talk about these.
I have several TT's, but I keep coming back to my TT Raider Pack Mk.II. It is so comfortable for long ass rucks. I would be curious to hear what others would think.
And FYI, Tasmanian Tiger is not from down under, its from Germany actually.
I’ve never heard of them before. We’ll have to check them out
I’ll check it out
Cool. Let me know what you think.
Oh and BTW, keep up the good work. You guys are doing an awesome job of creating content which is both educational and entertaining for a broad range of people. Thanks!
I’m interested in trying this one, what model is this?
Terraframe
90 POUNDS! holy cow...
Grunt here,actually a Gruntpa, ALICE was my baby.
ill check it out
Buck I know this is old but I highly recommend a ruck plate from Rogue or GoRuck
we designed our own www.thefngacademy.com/
@@FNGACADEMY bro that’s fucking genius. I just bought a GoRuck but I wish I would’ve seen this shit. I’d be Rucking around DC looking wild or motivated, depending who you ask.
That's a nice sack
It is
Everything looks small compared to that door holy shit lol
its a big girl
what would be the best ruck you suggest for someone that’s let’s say 12B
I would say this frame with the largest size available
How was the bounce? Or was there none?
none at all
@@FNGACADEMY Great, thanks! Looking forward to a video of carrying a load across uneven and broken terrain.
And soft sand. 🙂
I absolutely hate rucking with the medium ruck. Give me the regular army ruck all day long
Cadillac of packs is kifaru
I’ll grab one
@@FNGACADEMY I think you'll like it man lots of pack options with same frame, they in my opinion are #1 in the backpack hunting world. I've hauled alot of animal quarters in mine in the mountains and never had pain caused by the pack.
I'll stick to my malice pack despite owning a mystery ranch.
Same
Everyone knows Kifaru is King
The military spending money on an item that is issued but no one actually wants and no one uses? Sounds about right.
What’s the fastest and healthiest way to lose weight around 35 pounds
diet and cardio
Get a physical fitness program that’s going to push you!