Honey Lantree | What Was It Like Being a Female Drummer in 1964?

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • Back in 1964, when The Honeycombs reached number 1 with the song “Have I the Right”, one of the things that caught people's attention was the fact that the band featured a female drummer, something very unusual at the time. The drummer's name was Honey Lantree.
    This is what is was like being a female drummer in 1964. This mini-documentary also offers a small overview of the Honey Lantree and the Honeycombs' career.

Komentáře • 710

  • @fannycraddock99
    @fannycraddock99 Před rokem +448

    Thanks for giving Honey the credit she deserves. 'Have I The Right' is a classic that will never be forgotten. RIP Honey.

    • @annettebolec6940
      @annettebolec6940 Před rokem +14

      She has beautiful voice also. If only we had these problems today. I'd give everything. Let's go back to 60s and 70s. When music was music

    • @LiamPorter2005
      @LiamPorter2005 Před 8 měsíci

      @@annettebolec6940this was a story of 4 men and 1 woman

    • @robertkramer7625
      @robertkramer7625 Před 6 měsíci

      Have I the Right is still popular with the youngsters even today. One young lady began a dance which others picked up on.

    • @Sharps.50
      @Sharps.50 Před 2 měsíci

      100% why should not HONEY Be Drummer , HONEY I LOVE ❤️ YOU , KEEP ON DRUMMING !!!
      ,

    • @jaimehudson7623
      @jaimehudson7623 Před 11 dny

      Honey was not a gimmick. Like Kamala today... Let The Ladies Do Their Best, Whatever They Do!

  • @ShannonLee1956
    @ShannonLee1956 Před rokem +279

    As a female myself, when I first started playing drums this was one song I loved to practice to by putting on my parents old record and blasting the volume. At that time I had no idea the drummer was a girl, I was ecstatic when I learned! 💖

    • @duskintheforest584
      @duskintheforest584 Před rokem +17

      I hope you're still playing ma'am! There's a local music academy dedicated to teaching young girls to play rock. Worthy cause I say

    • @richardortiz8704
      @richardortiz8704 Před rokem +9

      three I love it I'm 74 years old I love it keep on rocking I heard it since I was 16 or 14

    • @thedativecase9733
      @thedativecase9733 Před rokem +11

      I was a very little girl when this record came out and my brother and I thought it was so cool that they had a female drummer.

    • @wellesradio
      @wellesradio Před rokem +3

      Do you still play? You should upload some of your playing

    • @izzatfauzimustafa6535
      @izzatfauzimustafa6535 Před rokem +5

      Society's expectation at that era was killing the aspirations of many girls and ladie who wanted to play musical instruments that are associated with "only boys play them" stereotype. It took almost 2 decades later to break the stereotype for good during the height of glam rock and new romantics genres.

  • @hanselmansell7555
    @hanselmansell7555 Před rokem +94

    Her parents encouraged her, well done mum and dad! 😊

  • @haroldfridkis3536
    @haroldfridkis3536 Před rokem +119

    As a female drummer, Honey Lantree paved the way for generations of girl drummers.

    • @kylegreen3247
      @kylegreen3247 Před rokem +9

      Don’t forget Sylvia Saunders from The Liverbirds.

    • @ApartmentKing66
      @ApartmentKing66 Před rokem +4

      @@kylegreen3247 Or Dottie Dodgion, who began playing drums in the 50s.

    • @LizBond-oq2hg
      @LizBond-oq2hg Před 11 měsíci +6

      And Karen Carpenter who could drum and sing beautifully...

  • @thomaslong8401
    @thomaslong8401 Před rokem +246

    I’m in my mid 60s, and I cannot understand why anyone would have an issue with a female drummer. It’s all about the music and the vibe.

    • @bluesoulpaul
      @bluesoulpaul Před rokem +16

      Would it were so Tom. Now it's about the Look and the Image. Music comes a very poor third, shame to say.

    • @tonyallen6510
      @tonyallen6510 Před rokem +2

      thank for that!!!..you said it all 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😊

    • @styldsteel1
      @styldsteel1 Před rokem +11

      Same. What's the big deal? Leave her alone for god's sakes. She's doing her thing. Leave her be. ---- edited to say no one went dizzy and got hard ons when Karen Carpenter played drums, and was the lead singer.

    • @styldsteel1
      @styldsteel1 Před rokem +6

      @@bluesoulpaul and what's even worse, yuu aren't even required to be able to sing. Complex computer programs take care of all of that. Semi pretty face, and a body that's basically out of proportion is all that's required. Gosh we're deep in the sludge pit. Sad.

    • @hermitthefrog8951
      @hermitthefrog8951 Před rokem +14

      I've never understood anyone having a problem with anyone doing any type of career. Effing tribalism.

  • @altfactor
    @altfactor Před rokem +139

    Honey Lantree has probably been an influence to every female rock and roll drummer since 1964.
    For this reason alone, she should be in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.
    By the way, her brother was also in the Honeycombs.

    • @PortsladeBySea
      @PortsladeBySea Před 8 měsíci +2

      I support an excellent young and highly talented German drummer called Sina Doering (Sina Drums) who has 1.5 million followers online 🥁🎤🎧

  • @MaxAmmoNeeded
    @MaxAmmoNeeded Před rokem +41

    The lead singer den used to still sing in my dads pub with his brother when I was young. And when my father passed he kindly sang his song “when I’m dead and buried” at his funeral. He was a lovely gentleman and their music hugely impacted me. Thank you

  • @langstonanderson6558
    @langstonanderson6558 Před rokem +71

    Very educational! Honey paved the way for female drummers all over the world! R.I.P.

    • @richardortiz8704
      @richardortiz8704 Před rokem +2

      God bless honey and all the rest of the group rest in peace all of God bless forever

    • @billesommer4636
      @billesommer4636 Před rokem +3

      Really?!?! This is just for stupidos!👀🤡

    • @veggigoddess
      @veggigoddess Před 7 měsíci +1

      And there still are virtually none, at least when the group consists of a male singer. the white stripes is the only one that comes to mind

  • @robinwagner3293
    @robinwagner3293 Před rokem +34

    You got it right Honey. Why should you not be able to be a drummer?. You were an inspiration.

  • @spyderlogan4992
    @spyderlogan4992 Před rokem +50

    When I was in London on a short vacation, I took the 'Rock and Roll' tour to see important locations(Abbey Road, et al). BUT, we also stopped across the street for a short time where Joe Meeks apartment was located and where 'Telstar' was recorded and 'Have I the Right' among many, many other famous recordings. Joe Meeks was a trailblazer in those early times. He did so much with so little equipment. Great to see and hear him mentioned. Well Done.

    • @thedativecase9733
      @thedativecase9733 Před rokem +4

      Joe Meek was brilliant his end, and that of his poor landlady was very sad.

  • @NewFalconerRecords
    @NewFalconerRecords Před rokem +87

    Top notch episode once again. The Honeycombs had an eerie song called 'Eyes' which features some excellent drumming from Honey, and a typically atmospheric and spooky Joe Meek production. They were both sensational groundbreakers and innovators ❤

    • @YesterdaysPapers
      @YesterdaysPapers  Před rokem +14

      "Eyes" is a great song indeed. It was actually banned by the BBC at the time, don't really know why.

    • @NewFalconerRecords
      @NewFalconerRecords Před rokem +13

      @@YesterdaysPapers It's a creepy song. But then again, the BBC tended to ban things at the drop of a hat. They must have been some seriously uptight people at that establishment at the time. Maybe that's another idea for a video. You did that great one on death songs that were banned (that later became hits). Food for thought.. Cheers.

    • @mr.y.mysterious.video1
      @mr.y.mysterious.video1 Před rokem +12

      @@YesterdaysPapers I’m sure I read somewhere that some at the bbc thought it was about gay dating (!) don’t hear it in the song myself.....

    • @mikelewis1436
      @mikelewis1436 Před rokem +6

      Great track unfortunately starved of airplay as it was a gay anthem ahead of its time...

    • @NewFalconerRecords
      @NewFalconerRecords Před rokem +10

      @@mikelewis1436 I've since read that the song was inspired by an incident in a gay bar, but it's so ambiguous lyrically that I don't see any possible reason to ban it if you weren't in on the inside story. Famously 'You've Got to Hide Your Love Away' and 'See My Friends' also have apparently homosexual connotations (quite possibly, and kudos to both Lennon and Davies for broadening the pop landscape if that was the case) Yeah, 'Eyes' -- a truly intriguing song. I never knew that it was banned.

  • @Nick.Magnus
    @Nick.Magnus Před rokem +35

    Saddened to know that Honey is no longer with us. I still have my original copy of 'Have I The Right' from when it came out - always loved it, and always will. Joe Meek was a genius - I'd love to know what kind of records he would have gone on to make if history had taken a different turn. I'd like to think Honey would have been his go-to drummer!

  • @hull5768
    @hull5768 Před rokem +22

    Fascinating!! I am 57 and this is the first I've heard of this lady and group. I'm a bit of an amateur music historian and this is gold!
    Greetings from Pennsylvania.

    • @MerelyGifted
      @MerelyGifted Před rokem +1

      Check out the 80s UK film Pop Gear AKA Go Go Mania. It hipped me to The Honeycombs, and other groups of the day.

  • @7colliemac
    @7colliemac Před rokem +20

    Great song Have I The Right.. Langtree’s drumming is excellent.. it was one of my favourites as a 14 year old boy, competing with groups like the Beatles, Stones, Kinks & others was no easy task..

  • @calvinguile1315
    @calvinguile1315 Před rokem +36

    I loved this! I wish they would have had more hits, it sucks how critical the press was in those days

    • @o.b.7217
      @o.b.7217 Před rokem +2

      Yeah, much better nowadays, where the audience is much more critical than the press could ever be, right?

  • @reneportielje1674
    @reneportielje1674 Před rokem +12

    The Honeycombs were an important group in the sixties, because of their distinctive sound and of course, the female drummer Honey . The pirate radio stations did the rest. The presenters Brian Matthew and Tony Blackburn still gave/ give the group the attention they deserve.

  • @rachelsghost
    @rachelsghost Před rokem +22

    Excellent, YP... Have I the Right is such a great tune RIP Honey and poor ol' Joe Meek... what a story he has.

    • @YesterdaysPapers
      @YesterdaysPapers  Před rokem +7

      Very bizarre story, no doubt. What a character and what a pioneer.

    • @jonathanj.7344
      @jonathanj.7344 Před rokem

      @@YesterdaysPapers I've got the DVD of his biopic movie "Telstar". It's all in there.

    • @tracyyy99
      @tracyyy99 Před rokem +1

      If you are interested in Joe Meek...You should get a hold of the book Joe Meeks Bold Techniques by Barry Cleveland. ..Joe was a really interesting guy when it came to music making...Genius in fact.

  • @dennisp.9085
    @dennisp.9085 Před rokem +21

    I read that the "Honey" was named after drummer Honey Lantree and the "combs" came from her previous job as a hairdresser. I always loved that song and was quite impressed with their sound (the Joe Meek effect). They had some great songs like "Love in Tokyo" and "Colour Slide," among others. Shame they didn't have the success they deserved.

    • @Buzzer365
      @Buzzer365 Před rokem +1

      Read that many times too but it's refuted by Honeycombs' founder Martin Murray, who said it was chosen because it was something sweet, like the band, and nothing to do with hairdressing/combs.

    • @duygukayhanisaskank4915
      @duygukayhanisaskank4915 Před 10 měsíci

      Regardless of what is reported...The Honeycombs was so named using the name of their drummer; Miss Honey Lantree & her profession...at the time she joined the band...of a hair-dresser.
      THIS IS FACT.
      Best regards,
      Ben

    • @kiwitrainguy
      @kiwitrainguy Před 7 měsíci

      You will see at 3:17 that her real name was Anne Margot Lantree.

  • @EdwinJack64
    @EdwinJack64 Před rokem +32

    What a cool lady, I'm glad she didn't bow to intimidation!

  • @pjm329
    @pjm329 Před rokem +24

    Hats off for Honey!

  • @pastorpresent7774
    @pastorpresent7774 Před rokem +10

    Her righteous defiance brought a tear to my eye. Thanks for the vid.

  • @jonhillman871
    @jonhillman871 Před rokem +29

    the blind date singles reviews are great. it's a very fun, breezy bit of light entertainment. but this deeper dive into a topic is more meaty and i really enjoy it. artist profiles, song and album discussions, cultural trends, and bits of pop music historic events are the videos where i think the work really shines. as for honey lantree...great player in a great band. unique sound with great songs: hits and deep cuts are all really nice listening.

  • @KoenThomasOnDrums
    @KoenThomasOnDrums Před rokem +24

    Being a drum teacher, I see very talented female drummers. Most of the time they stop playing drums, because life is more than drumming. In society, in a lot of societies, even in 2022, they seem to have more obligations and responsibilities than most men. As a matter of fact, I know many male drummers, who are only capable of playing drums, because their girlfriend or wife decides to do what has to be done in daily life, and what is in many points of view more important and difficult, so the guy can make time for drumming. The bottomline is this; it's a cultural thing. It has absolutely nothing to do with talent. Or maybe the lack of talent of someone for something, and the fact someone gives up her own dream for other dreams, for the sake of a relation, real love and real life. As a token of respect.

  • @jabbermocky4520
    @jabbermocky4520 Před rokem +5

    When I was a small child with a transistor radio I'd hear this song and bang on boxes, pots and pans, what have you. I had no idea that the drummer for the Honeycombs was a woman but this former little girl just wanted to play percussion. I took up drums and percussion instruments later on and even played a few pro gigs. Thanks, Honey!

  • @reddove108
    @reddove108 Před rokem +10

    Let that lady rock and roll! Never heard her singing before. That was nice.

  • @jacklowe3429
    @jacklowe3429 Před rokem +20

    Terrific and informative episode. Godspeed, Ms. Lantree.

  • @kurikokaleidoscope
    @kurikokaleidoscope Před rokem +9

    It's wonderful to see their place in time celebrated. A fine narrative and doco ⚘

  • @ricklee3084
    @ricklee3084 Před rokem +6

    Honey Lantree's drumming on "Have I the Right?" was the first thing to really grab my attention when I first heard the song (which I liked). And suddenly, it now dawns upon me that the band's name may have been a play on words based on her name?

  • @Cracktaculus
    @Cracktaculus Před rokem +8

    Fast-forward to now and there's about 5 female drummers on YT I'm subscribed to that will have a career after YT, playing live gigs for LIFE!! God save all female drummers, God save the Queen! 👑

  • @markmcg293
    @markmcg293 Před 4 měsíci +2

    My wife is an amateur drummer and did not know about Honey Lantree until I passed this video along to her. She enjoyed it. Thank you.

  • @buskingkarma2503
    @buskingkarma2503 Před rokem +12

    I bet she has inspired a lot of female drummers! RIP Honey!❤

    • @judywein3282
      @judywein3282 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yes, she inspired me!! Played for over 30 yrs. RIP Honey Lantree.

  • @christianhebditch
    @christianhebditch Před rokem +9

    Both Honey Langtree and Denis D’Ell the lead singer we’re hair dressers in London. Hence the name of the band The Honeycombs! Honey’s birth name was Ann Margot Lantree.

  • @albertodf1234
    @albertodf1234 Před rokem +6

    this is one of this cases of forever underrated people. fortunately new generations are discovering gems like her. btw 2022 and still wondering HAVE I THE RIGHT to love this song ??

  • @lupcokotevski2907
    @lupcokotevski2907 Před rokem +13

    American all female band Goldie and the Gingerbreads formed in 1962 and were signed by Decca in 1963. They toured the UK on the same bill as the Beatles, Kinks, Hollies,Stones. The singer went on to become rocker Genya Ravan of Ten Wheel Drive and solo fame. The drummer Ginger Bianco formed the all female jazz fusion band Isis in the early 1970's.

    • @nathalieplum2137
      @nathalieplum2137 Před rokem

      Wow. Didn't know anything about them. Thanks! czcams.com/video/lsoXZMuoUp4/video.html

    • @nealsausen4651
      @nealsausen4651 Před rokem +3

      Goldie Zelkowitz… Genya’s real name
      Was big Band Drummer Les DeMerle’s girlfriend for several years!
      And now you know the rest of the story!
      In fact that Zildjian cymbal medallion you see Genya wearing On the front cover of the 10 Wheel Dr. album was a gift to her from Les who got it from the ZILDJIAN factory! They were promotional mini cymbal necklaces
      That were issued as part of a promotion for the Buddy Rich band of the late 60s!
      Les had a few I even had one but it got stolen they were very cool I wish ZILDJIAN would re-issue them but look at the cover of the 10 Wheel Dr. album the self titled album and she’s wearing a little round medallion looking thing that’s a Zildjian cymbal medallion she got from her thenboyfriend Les De Merle!
      In fact I remember Les telling me that he introduced her to some of those guys who would become 10 Wheel Dr.!

  • @dmitrymedvedd
    @dmitrymedvedd Před rokem +9

    Very underrated group

  • @willieluncheonette5843
    @willieluncheonette5843 Před rokem +12

    What a wonderful video. I remember Have I the Right here in America being played on the radio. Pretty catchy song embellished by Meek.. The 45 must sound striking at stun levels on a good playback system. She seemed like a lovely girl and I hope she has a good next life, which she most probably will. Thank you again YP...You're batting 1000, mate

    • @YesterdaysPapers
      @YesterdaysPapers  Před rokem +2

      Thanks, Willie. I wish I had a 45 of "Have I the Right". I agree, it probaby sounds killer. I've got a few 45s from the early 60s and they sound amazing. After all, all those songs were equalized, mixed and mastered with 45s in mind.

    • @willieluncheonette5843
      @willieluncheonette5843 Před rokem +1

      @@YesterdaysPapers Oh yeah, those old 45's sound great. First, all analog. And from what I've read, all things being equal, the same song at 45 will sound better than at 33 1/3. Of course, just how much better is in the ears of the listener. I have a couple of classic jazz albums, originally on 33 of course, released as 2 45's on an audiophile label. They do sound terrific. Only drawback is you have to change the record 4 times and that sort of interrupts the flow.

    • @YesterdaysPapers
      @YesterdaysPapers  Před rokem +3

      @@willieluncheonette5843 Yep, the quality is superior. I've heard about these audiophile reissues on 45.

    • @willieluncheonette5843
      @willieluncheonette5843 Před rokem +2

      @@YesterdaysPapers One of those I have is Saxophone Colossus. I must say I've never heard a drum solo so immediate and so realistic as Max Roach's solo break on St. Thomas. I play it for friends and they're in awe of the sound quality.

  • @brianm.armstrong70
    @brianm.armstrong70 Před rokem +34

    Lots of great female drummers, over the years! Karen Carpenter was a great drummer AND lead vocals!

    • @davidbarnett9312
      @davidbarnett9312 Před rokem +2

      Very true, Brian, but the Carpenters were also dismissed and ridiculed by some DJ's back in the day. Too corny and too saccharine were some of the adjectives used to denigrate them.

    • @ss51-857
      @ss51-857 Před rokem

      @@davidbarnett9312 always thought that they were lame and still do. As a drummer. She wasn't all that give me a break.

    • @normanacree1635
      @normanacree1635 Před rokem

      ".....great drummer"? Come on, now, you must be a relative or something.

  • @markvonwisco7369
    @markvonwisco7369 Před rokem +8

    Times have certainly changed for the better since the 60s. I've been in a band with a female drummer. Thankfully, nobody gave it a thought. Man or woman, the only thing that should matter is whether or not you have the chops to play well!

  • @ThomBoecker
    @ThomBoecker Před rokem +4

    Thank you for a great story. Honey was obviously criminally underrated at the time. Especially since it was her playing that made "Have I the Right" such a catchy tune -- and judging from the other songs, that goes for the Honeycombs' entire catalogue.

  • @ilax4244
    @ilax4244 Před rokem +4

    I recognized this song and remember her. Never knew she was criticized. I was captivated by seeing her play drums.

  • @radiomindchatter7994
    @radiomindchatter7994 Před rokem +10

    Proper respect for Honey..commendable.

  • @syater
    @syater Před rokem +11

    This was great.Thank you. I've heard The Honeycombs but didn't actually know much about them or their drummer. Thanks for featuring them and Honey Lantree.This led me to think of vocalist Beverley Kutner (later Martyn) who was drawing a lot of interest in 1966-67 London and was on the radar of many very well known musicians at the time. She was about Honey's age and recorded singles but never quite achieved the acclaim she seemed to be heading for. I would love to hear more about her story, if you think there would be enough interest in her story. Thanks again !

  • @folgore1
    @folgore1 Před rokem +7

    Excellent vid! The more I learn about The Honeycombs, the more intrigued I am by them. Honey was certainly a pioneer; the only other female drummers I can think of are Karen Carpenter and the drummer for the Bangles. Their whole interaction with independent producer Joe Meek would make for a fascinating biopic!

    • @johnnhoj6749
      @johnnhoj6749 Před rokem +1

      The Liver Birds were a lesser-known all-female Merseybeat group, including drummer. There are a few videos of them on youtube.

    • @louneed1491
      @louneed1491 Před rokem

      you forgot one of the most relevant drummers in Rock n Roll being Maureen Tucker of Velvet Underground

    • @ballhawk387
      @ballhawk387 Před rokem +1

      Karen Carpenter was an amazing drummer, too. Her chops could match the best of 'em. Check out some of her drumming vids here, and prepare to be blown away.

  • @gtrjay55
    @gtrjay55 Před rokem +4

    Great story. I remember when"Have I the Right was released in the U.S. my sister and I liked it alot. Thanks for posting God bless stay safe Rock on 🙏😷🎶❗

  • @johnnypoker46
    @johnnypoker46 Před rokem +7

    I love 'Have I the Right'! Also 'Johnny Remember Me' and 'Telstar' (Joe Meek's other #1).
    My other favourite Honeycombs song is 'This Too Shall Pass Away'.
    During a UK vacation, recalling the liner notes on the Honeycombs' LP, I dropped in for a drink at the Mild May tavern! No groups playing (only an iffy jukebox), but there was footie on the telly. Someone told me the Zombies were discovered there too ...

  • @drewpall2598
    @drewpall2598 Před rokem +3

    From what I have seen and read up on Honey Lantree she carried herself well despite what had been said about her at the time in the press. She is often overlooked on, any top female drummers list of all time one of the pioneer female drummers for sure. Honey Lantree 28 August 1943, - 23 December 2018,

  • @danielbanic3738
    @danielbanic3738 Před rokem +15

    Great video , It goes to show you how rough it was to be independent not just Joe Meek but his bands. When you go up against the music industry machine and start becoming successful you either have to join them or be left out in the cold , in their case I suspect the major labels colluded against Meek when it came to distribution and other devious things , he's not the only one , there were a few that went through the same abuse as independent record people , Sam Cooke , Lloyd Price in the US , and lesser know record lable musician people.

    • @pcno2832
      @pcno2832 Před rokem +4

      Hard to say. There were always some very rough people in the music business, as Bobby Fuller found out when he tried to break off a deal with an LA club and as Tommy James had to face when he realized that he was owned by the mob. But was there anyone of that ilk who considered Meek important enough to sabotage? He was a genius, but a paranoid one, who, upon meeting Phil Spector, immediately accused him of wanting to steal Meek's secrets. This was, after all, a guy who shot his landlady over something she might have seen in an appointment book. Then again, as the saying goes, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

    • @danielbanic3738
      @danielbanic3738 Před rokem

      @@pcno2832 Yeah , Meek went overboard with people but everybody has a dark side especially muscians. In the late and early 50s , Meek was a threat to the majors in England because his songs kept charting high and they did'nt like that. They either usually buy you out or do some nasty things. As a rule , no business man would invest in entertainment or music because there is too much risk. So the mob would come in and do it out of ego thing than making money. They were all runned by the the mob. The only diffrence between major and independent label is that the majors were runned by hi profile mob or elite like EMI , Decca etc. The stock holders were just as shady and had their own agenda just like today , nothing has change , ha ha.

  • @MrPete1x
    @MrPete1x Před rokem +1

    Does anyone remember the record shop next to Tooting Broadway underground station? A young lady working there gave me the record Have i The Right. The record has a date on it - 10th August 1964. Still got it and played it just now. Thank you for showing this and a big thank you to the girl who gave me such a great record.

  • @moonman2022
    @moonman2022 Před rokem +11

    You can tell by watching their live performances that she has a sort of schoolmarm sway over the rest of the band. When the interviewer asks what it's like being surrounded by four men... "Oh they're alright. I look out for them. I do their hair, make them tea..." Badass drummer, too.

  • @terryenglish7132
    @terryenglish7132 Před rokem +5

    The group name and song name rang no bells, but once I listened to it, I remember hearing it back in the day. I just never knew the names. Very cool.

  • @robertgd3429
    @robertgd3429 Před rokem +7

    Thank you for putting this together. Great piece. As much of a drummer fan as I think I am, this was an education to me. Never knew about Honey Lantree. Did she play for anyone else, or sit in as a session drummer on any other Joe Meek tracks?
    Always loved this song HItR. Great lady, great drummer. RIP.

  • @ShareTalk
    @ShareTalk Před měsícem +1

    Honey (Anne) Lantree (1943-2018), drummer with 1960s group The Honeycombs. She played drums on all the band’s recordings. International publicity followed their chart topping hit ‘Have I the Right?’ in 1964, making Honey Lantree the most acclaimed female drummer in the world at the time.

  • @kaybee5150
    @kaybee5150 Před rokem +2

    I was 10 years old in '64. Honey was my first love. I never took my eyes off her when they were playing on our very small black and white TV.

  • @connieb9034
    @connieb9034 Před rokem +6

    She’s such an icon, there’s always been something about a lone woman in a band made up of men that’s always been so legendary to me. I’ve been working in the entertainment industry since 2017, doing everything from broadcasting , to office work, to P.A work, to eventually performing, and it is still a fairly male led industry, but I love what I do, and I always think of female icons like Honey Lantree, like Doreen Shaffer from the Skatalites, and even Amy Winehouse with her band ❤️

    • @melreslor2114
      @melreslor2114 Před rokem +1

      Grace Slick comes to mind when thinking of bands with only one female (especially a 60s band). With Great Society and Jefferson Airplane. The Airplane went gold with their debut LP with their first female lead singer Signe Toly Anderson. When Anderson dropped out to raise her newborn, Slick joined the Airplane and brought their two biggest hits "White Rabbit" and "Somebody to Love" onto their next album, Surrealistic Pillow. Slick not only sang lead on some of the songs but played the recorder and piano.

  • @felipedourado5721
    @felipedourado5721 Před rokem +5

    Great video, as usual. It's interesting how their sound, when she is singing, recalls some aspects of The Mamas and The Papas sonority.
    Regarding the subject of the pioneer female drummers of the 60ies, we can never forget Moe Tucker, of the Velvet Underground.
    Best regards from Brazil. ✌

  • @vincentm4717
    @vincentm4717 Před rokem +5

    I know their hit song from hearing it on the oldies station here in New York. I barely remember it in 64 and never heard of this person. So this is a very interesting tidbit from the past. I'm sure the Velvet Undergrounds drummer who was female has heard of her. The Underground became known around 66 in New York.

  • @centralparkjoe1290
    @centralparkjoe1290 Před rokem +11

    Well done. I had no idea Honey passed away 🙏

  • @owie4070
    @owie4070 Před rokem +3

    What a fascinating story. I only just discovered her and this group today when it popped in my recommended list. I was stunned to see a female drummer so I am not surprised to learn about the criticism she received. However, she seemed competent and comfortable, and her drumming sounds great to me. It's pretty interesting to learn that her parents fully supported her choice too. No doubt that meant a lot to her. The group's song, "Eyes" is fantastic.

  • @lindadote
    @lindadote Před rokem +4

    I remember this song well but without television, had no idea the drummer was a girl. Thanks YP, I invariably learn something from your videos.

  • @Wygruce
    @Wygruce Před rokem +5

    An absolutely beautiful tribute.

  • @greatbyrondo
    @greatbyrondo Před rokem +6

    Wow.....I always really liked "Have I the Right" but I thought it was a Dave Clark 5 song !
    Guess you learn something new everyday, Ha...!!! Love this channel....the 60's was a great era for pop/rock music...

  • @rebeccataylor4809
    @rebeccataylor4809 Před rokem +8

    Love her singing too. Proper 60s melodrama

  • @richardking3206
    @richardking3206 Před rokem +6

    This was the first single that I ever bought. I knew they had a female drummer, which was different, but I think it was the production which drew me. I certainly didn’t know about Joe Meek at the time. The BBC made a film about Meek a few years ago, showing how he produced records, and it showed how he made Have I the Right, amongst others. Anyone who’s interested should look the film out, it’s well worth a watch. Telstar: The Joe Meek Story with Con O’Neill as Meek. It was released in 2008.

    • @johnnhoj6749
      @johnnhoj6749 Před rokem

      I think you might be confusing the BBC documentary with the feature film. The documentary is on youtube.

    • @richardking3206
      @richardking3206 Před rokem

      @@johnnhoj6749 No confusion on my part. I checked the details that I mention on IMDb, and recall watching it vividly. I’ve seen it since, too. I know nothing of a documentary. I’m sure it did receive a cinema release, too, as many BBC funded films do. What’s the documentary that you refer to, called?

  • @IMeMineWho
    @IMeMineWho Před rokem +3

    This seems like Honey's story would make a great film!

  • @derekstocker6661
    @derekstocker6661 Před měsícem

    Thanks for this bit of British pop history.
    Loved the Honeycombs and the fact that Honey was one of the first if not the first female drummer in pop or rock music is a fabulous accolade. Great sound Folks and RIP Honey.

  • @eredison8584
    @eredison8584 Před rokem +2

    I was about 13 at the time (maybe 1966)and I remember going to a school in Hampstead where the Honeycombs were playing.It was a long time ago,but I still remember after all these years.

  • @mjones4083
    @mjones4083 Před rokem +2

    My father used to play iin bands during the 1960s in the South Wales area /UK . When the Honeycombes charted, my father's band featured the song in their gig with the drummer wearing a wig that resembed Honey's hairstyle - and it went down very well. Everyone I knew loved Honey - a joy to see in the group and to hear playing her drums . ( & if she had actually been a poor drummer my father would have most certainly commented on it ! )

  • @russell-di8js
    @russell-di8js Před měsícem

    In that very austere black/grey/white video Honey's bright pink blouse & lovely relaxed playing went well with a song that is still catchy 60 years later! Honey Lantree RIP, ( rockin' in paradise! )

  • @tomc642
    @tomc642 Před rokem +16

    "Have I the Right" was composed by Ken Howard and Alan Blaikley, the duo that wrote numerous hits, mostly for Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich.
    I thought "That Loving Feeling" by the New Honeycombs was a great song with an interesting vocal and instrumental arrangement, and most likely the last produced by Joe Meek.
    Sylvia Saunders from the girl group the Liverbirds predated Honey Lantree as a girl drummer.

  • @coldlakealta4043
    @coldlakealta4043 Před rokem +4

    I was in a band myself at the time and this Joe Meek production which, with tempo alterations and the like, was one of the first big hits I remember which could not be performed properly on stage because Dennis could not match the speeded-up vinyl version - the thinnest edge of the 60s tech wedge which eventually drove bands like the Beatles off the live stage as recordings became as much tech-driven as talent-driven.

  • @MrButtonpresser
    @MrButtonpresser Před rokem +3

    A true pioneer and original. Good for her.

  • @adambeaudoin8818
    @adambeaudoin8818 Před rokem +1

    I love the info on how it was recorded. The song’s got a DC5 intensity to it.

  • @SPINNINGMYWHEELS777
    @SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 Před rokem +5

    Honeycombs songwriting vehicle for Howard Blaikley :) I can never find one clip of them actually playing live, but I love the sound of the Honeycombs and Joe Meek !! :) We knew some of these groups of Meek's well in Canada as we got some unique pressings here and they got radio airplay to this very day .. heard Honeycombs on a local AM station the other day :)

    • @YesterdaysPapers
      @YesterdaysPapers  Před rokem +3

      There's a clip of them playing "Have I the Right" live in the studio. It sounds weird without Meek's reverb and echo but they sounded alright.

    • @SPINNINGMYWHEELS777
      @SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 Před rokem +1

      @@YesterdaysPapers Thanks will have to seek that out, maybe it was in that Joe Meek Documentary but it's been years since I saw that. what's that live clip of them at the end of your presentation.. is that found on youtube ?

    • @YesterdaysPapers
      @YesterdaysPapers  Před rokem +1

      @@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 That's not really a live clip. It was a mimed appearance on swedish TV. The clip of them playing the song live in the studio is from a Joe Meek documentary.

    • @TheMerseySound1
      @TheMerseySound1 Před rokem

      There’s live radio sessions and the Live in Tokyo 1966 LP
      czcams.com/video/Ug8VgmGzlWw/video.html

    • @johnknott6539
      @johnknott6539 Před rokem

      They played live on Sunday night at the London Palladium. Honey was ill and Viv Prince of The Pretty Things stood in for her. He was a great drummer but was entirely the opposite of Honey as far as neat and tidy is concerned!! Look him up on Wikipedia

  • @starrfaithfull6934
    @starrfaithfull6934 Před rokem +1

    In 1965, my girlfriends and I started our own rock band at the end of freshman year of high school. It was very unpopular with the boys in our school, but our female classmates despised us! Three of us on our electric guitars, one drummer and a fabulous vocalist. We actually were good enough to open for two national rock bands. But we ended up having to let guys in the band, then we got pretty interested in other boys, our collection of parents didn't like us being "local public figures," etc. We caved in. I started up again at age 38, and had a great time playing electric 6-string and bass with younger guys and girls. My husband thought it was "cute!" He was very supportive of my adult "Lita Ford" phase. Now I'm 71, but still love to rock out at home. Go, girls!

    • @TheMerseySound1
      @TheMerseySound1 Před rokem

      What was your group called and where were you based?

  • @64north20west
    @64north20west Před rokem +2

    What an exceptiona rock and roll pioneer she was. I find myself wishing she received way more credit than she got. The same degree of respect for The Liverbirds.

  • @debbieparker2217
    @debbieparker2217 Před měsícem

    Im a lady (fixing to be 73) and spent my life wishing I could have been a drunmer! I tried taking lessons but seemed expensive lessons and the instrument itself. I dont know why but when I first saw the Beatles Ringo quickly became my favorite because of him being a drummer. Way to go Honey Lantree!

  • @alanbone5512
    @alanbone5512 Před měsícem +1

    Remember her well , a great talent, loved the songs , have I the right , and that's the way, brings back so many great memories, Joe meek was exceptional talent too, I met the backer , of his , the colonel they called him , about , maybe 30 years ago , we would talk , because he caught me singing , once , perhaps a shadow of his former self ,, , met the other group which is not mentioned here the tornadoes , the group which had the hit Telstar, by Joe meek , the tornadoes were bully Fury's, main backing group at one stage , great talents , all of them , I used to sing many songs , covers , even Johnny Leyton's , Johnny remember me , too as well as all billy Fury's songs , loved singing , what an inspiration , all these people were, in England's history of pop music .

  • @victoriaguitar
    @victoriaguitar Před rokem +2

    Thank you for this lovely video about Honey Lantree. ❤

  • @michaelt.wardlespider2496

    A trailblazer that I'd never heard of, glad to learn about her.

  • @willminkorea2010
    @willminkorea2010 Před rokem +8

    Interviews with Joe Meek must be tough to find.

  • @richardlandis793
    @richardlandis793 Před rokem +2

    I love the band and their music. 😊😊

  • @robbrown4621
    @robbrown4621 Před měsícem

    I have produced my share of indie rock bands and I can tell you for sure that the strength of a band always begins with their drummer. Have I The Right swings and rocks because she is tight right on the beat and she plays with tremendous dynamics. She really defines each part of the song in her playing. She was more than a good drummer. She was a great drummer.

  • @chrisbacos
    @chrisbacos Před rokem +21

    I really liked this video. I didn't know she died. She paved the way for the likes of Karen Carpenter, Sandy West (Runaways), Gina Schock (Go-Gos), Debbi Peterson (Bangles), Karen Bassett and Sheri Kaplan (Pandoras), and Audrey Tait the current drummer of Franz Ferdinand.

    • @richardbanker6041
      @richardbanker6041 Před rokem +9

      And Alice de Buhr (Fanny)

    • @damianoakes2592
      @damianoakes2592 Před rokem +10

      And Maureen "Moe" Tucker from the Velvet Underground. Musician Cam Forrester did an hour long documentary on her on his channel, which I highly recommend!

    • @peasanttoast
      @peasanttoast Před rokem +9

      Don't forget the insanely talented Sheila E.

    • @chrisbacos
      @chrisbacos Před rokem +3

      @@peasanttoast I had a mind block earlier and was trying to remember Sheila E. and Moe Tucker.

    • @michaelwilson2340
      @michaelwilson2340 Před rokem +4

      @@damianoakes2592 Moe was part of one of the most influential bands of modern music. In fact I think 'Loaded' suffered from her absence due to pregnancy. It's the Velvet Underground album I listen to the least.

  • @163pete
    @163pete Před rokem +1

    Honey, Lantry made her mark on the music world. She will always be remembered for being the first female artist and drummer.

  • @delbertstringbreaker7686
    @delbertstringbreaker7686 Před rokem +13

    Even in 1964 the Honeycombs had the aura of a local church youth club band as harder rock was coming through.
    Still, Honey was a brave pioneer who helped to make playing in a band more accessible to other girls, like the fabulous She Trinity and Fanny.

  • @LegionMiniatureGames
    @LegionMiniatureGames Před rokem +1

    I’ve got my daughter playing the drums, she was a natural so we went all in with the lessons. She rocks and sings as well.

  • @davidellis5141
    @davidellis5141 Před rokem +9

    Honey 🍯 was awesome 👌 on the drums 🥁 & Joe Meek was very troubled but genius Producer. Check out his work on Johnny , Remember Me.

  • @JimboUSAF007
    @JimboUSAF007 Před rokem +3

    Simply awesome!!

  • @premierhoner614
    @premierhoner614 Před rokem

    As a make, I think it was very brave of her to take the seat behind the drums. Well done girl. As a young little South African boy I remember this big hit way back during the 60s and 70s in my country. Thank you very much for your efforts young lady. We loved you very much....

  • @colinturner4158
    @colinturner4158 Před rokem +2

    She paved the way for future female drummer’s

  • @clarenceishmael9615
    @clarenceishmael9615 Před rokem

    She gave resonance to the notion of judging people by their abilities rather than superficial factors! Really enjoyed this!

  • @michaelrochester48
    @michaelrochester48 Před rokem +15

    When it comes to female drummers, she was the very first one that anybody can remember, I think after her the only famous female drummer was Karen Carpenter and I think she came along around 1969! Only did females start showing up as drummers in rock ‘n’ roll in the early 70s with groups like Fanny and the runaways

    • @YesterdaysPapers
      @YesterdaysPapers  Před rokem +14

      There was Mo Tucker around 1966/67.

    • @michaelrochester48
      @michaelrochester48 Před rokem +6

      @@YesterdaysPapers That’s true! But I always considered the velvet underground very obscure band, they never got on the United States charts higher than 150 in the top 200

    • @heinrichvon
      @heinrichvon Před rokem +5

      @@michaelrochester48 That's true, but despite their lack of contemporary commercial success, the Velvets are immortal today!

    • @TheMerseySound1
      @TheMerseySound1 Před rokem +6

      There was Sylvia Saunders in The Liverbirds in 1963

    • @bloppysloppy2283
      @bloppysloppy2283 Před rokem +1

      Then came Sheila E in the 80's who came from a family of percussionists.

  • @f.w.2054
    @f.w.2054 Před rokem +3

    Cool looking lady and a real pioneer! Her vocals sounded great even though they failed to chart. I'd agree that Joe Meek "had problems" . Little did we know how serious they were. His "outdated" records were wonderful!

  • @kgarrett1404
    @kgarrett1404 Před 8 měsíci +1

    First song and pop star that I remember watching on TV as a four-year old. Great memory as my late mother told me Honey was winking at me.

  • @mcashnv
    @mcashnv Před rokem +8

    Meek was a great producer. A visionary. Would have been great to hear what he would have done with the Beatles in a proper studio. And his landlady didn't just "die"--she was killed by Meek with a blast from his shotgun.

    • @johnnhoj6749
      @johnnhoj6749 Před rokem +1

      To be pedantic, it was Heinz Burt's shotgun. Apparently he had taken it into the studio while recording because he didn't want to leave it in his car, then forgot to take it away again.

    • @mcashnv
      @mcashnv Před rokem

      @@johnnhoj6749 Not pedantic, just accurate.

  • @boristherock8279
    @boristherock8279 Před 2 měsíci

    I had a cassette of "Have I the right" in the 80s when I was a kid. I hadn't seen a film of it until now. I'm amazed at how loose and relaxed the drummer is considering what a driving emphatic beat this song has. So apparently effortless and joyful

  • @gerardmcnally
    @gerardmcnally Před rokem +2

    The Cymbal's could have been used as serving dishes.
    In saying that, as a kid, I loved this song and was intrigued to see a female drummer.
    Great hit.

  • @jeanlloydbradberry9099
    @jeanlloydbradberry9099 Před 10 měsíci +1

    God bless Honey! Rest (AND ROCK!) in Heaven! Keep bringing joy to the folks up there forever! 💚❤🙏😇🥰

  • @ashburn47
    @ashburn47 Před rokem +2

    Saw them "live" in Kuala Lumpur in 1965.🙏🙏

  • @ballhawk387
    @ballhawk387 Před rokem +1

    Excellent tribute. All that flak was ridiculous, her *playing* was *awesome!*