Most of the time units don't even soend the money on things they actually need, last year my commander asked the unit to write things they thought we needed on a white board to buy with end of year funds. Nome of the things that were suggested were purchased but the squadron did buy some new flat screen TVs, a VR training system and more workout equipment that almost never gets used because it's locked up and nobody below E-7 knows the combination.
"Wanna know why the minigun in all games doesn't have an Accuracy rating? It's because you don't need accuracy when you can make the target and surroundings disappear!"
Taxpayers have to pay because the higher brass doesn't want to do their God dammed jobs. All they have to do is give X rounds per soldier training no matter what. Turn in what's left. Then issue the exact same X number of rounds and not try to cut corners. But they are stupidly convinced that the little work they save is more than the wasted ammunition. (Hint: ammo is very expensive. Even at the military bulk discount rate.)
I met i guy in welding class who just got back from deployment in Korea, he was in munitions disposal told me after training in the feild one time they where heading back to base with a truckload of unused explosives, when they came across some farmers trying to remove a stump from their feild. Not wanting to be docked on their explosives next training session they asked if they could help, then proceed to pack all the remaining explosives under the stump and set them off. Problem solved for everyone 🙃
@@kirbymaster7491 probably vaporized the whole field and his crops and he stood there with his mouth open and a single tear as the army said "you're welcome" and walked past him 😂
@@100GTAGUY its called practicing. Literally everyone who practices with their guns probably does this to a extent, and its not a waste. Watch the video again.
I like humor, but training is important. Lastly, since we now give old arms to the Taliban for free I’d rather them be well worn. Hell we paid for them.
@@TheLuuman did i imply going through the operations of equipment is not practice? No, read my comment again. I never said it's a waste either lmao I was justifying it as an operational check, making a joke. But you've killed it having required an explanation. Well done 👏
@@TheLuuman lol you didnt pay attention, they are using more rounds than they need for training to increase their demand for ammo when they dont need it. Basically towards the end of the year they waste all the ammo for nothing. The DoD is 1 big fraud, waste, and abuse center.
@@hope4ourfallen no, you still have to turn in the brass and it's weighed, I was an armorer after I got blown up and have spent many an hour turning in brass. Not sure about POGs
Hell yeah, we had something like 5k rounds left at the end of one of my deployments. We had none by the time we actually left. Instead of full auto Fridays, it was a whole damn week of slinging lead!
@@merquiadesmclellan2800 whyd you say lose another battle like you know his group was taking immense losses, you dont know when he was deployed so im just curious.
Taliban scout 1: "I.. I think the Americans have finally lost it..." Taliban scout 2: "what's going on?" Taliban scout 1: "they're just mag dumping into trash." Taliban scout 2: "oh sweet, that means they headed home. We're going to have a whole batch of newbies to fuck with soon!"
Fuck yea man, one day in basic DS took me and two other guys into the basement with our weapons and like 4 ammo cans of blanks and said “go nuts” at first we thought it was a test and just popped off a few in semi then DS walks up to me without breaking eye contact flips my selector to burst and calmly says “Go. Nuts.” and we did, oh we did.
You know, I was in for almost 7 years and never knew that. I just figured it was to let off steam at the end of a long range day. Figured the brass collection was just because they needed to reload it
The Army ammo supply system is highly convulted. Lets say for Nov of 22 your unit requests 5,000 rounds of 5.56mm for zeroing and qualification purposes. The Army supply system will look back at what your unit requested and used historically for this purpose. The Army will deduct an amount equal to the average amount of unused ammo from previous requests. The problem here is that in many cases the requesting officer was not in that job a year ago because of in unit or PCS leadership rotation. So if last years training was cancelled and all 5,000 rounds was turned back in. Your unit wont get squat. Welcome to the military supply system. If you want 1 order 5. If you need 5 order 10. If you need 10 order 25. If you need 25 order 50. If you need 50 order 100 and they will ship you 25 with a back order for 25 more.
We had a new guy in Iraq he was a saw operator, every time he fired his weapon he would empty a nut sack 🤣 I told him this isn't training anymore you need to conserve
Nutsacks are soft skin pouches that the belted ammo is stored in and can be attached to gun to keep your belt contained while carrying. They hold 100rds.
@@douglasgilmore9167 fucking elaborate. I'm nearly four years in. 30JAN2019, cav to intel. Regardless, just do it right the first time or pay someone off to clean it lmfao
Heres a valuable lesson for lieutenants. Don't EVER share your ammo, don't trade your ammo for brass or vice versa! Learned a hard lesson about turn in to the ASP (ammo supply point) Lets just say it took O-5 power to straighten that shit out.
I remember going to a.50 Cal range, 4 teams, something like 30k rounds (this was 30+ years ago so amount is foggy). Took 2 days, had fun though, full auto, cherry red barrels, lane markers on fire.
This sheds some light on something that happened during basic combat training. My battery was doing some kind of night training and we were told to just empty the magazines just as quick as we could. I always thought it was because the drill sergeants wanted to get back to the barracks.
@@calebwiggins3042 I later heard that one of my drill sergeants got a divorce, that might explain part of his demeanor. He had some different cadences that I wish I remembered a little better. One involved walking in the woods and bears coming out and also quicksand. I think he was referring to the Soviets and the first Gulf war. The second one started something like: burn a town and killed the people. Nuke everybody there. Do it on a Sunday morning while the people are at prayer.
I’m in construction and bigger companies operate this way. They toss out good material because on the next project they don’t want to be short. You might have a good saw man on the first one who didn’t make any miscuts, only to have a less experienced one on the next. Sometimes the shipping of extra material is near impossible due to lot # and color matching, also the time issues associated with ordering more material, also when you have a schedule that depends on trades finishing before another can start the expenses can add up rather quickly.
Explain it to me like I'm 5........ Oscar: Your mommy and daddy give you ten dollars to open up a lemonade stand. So you go out and you buy cups and you buy lemons and you buy sugar. And now you find out that it only costs you nine dollars. Michael: Ho-oh! Oscar: So you have an extra dollar. Michael: Yeah. Oscar: So you can give that dollar back to mommy and daddy, but guess what? Next summer… Michael: I’ll be six. Oscar: And you ask them for money, they’re gonna give you nine dollars. ‘Cause that’s what they think it costs to run the stand. So what you want to do is spend that dollar on something now, so that your parents think it costs ten dollars to run the lemonade stand.
This is how I understood it at first, but I thought "nah, thatd be ridiculous, wasteful, and extremely prone to cheating" well apparently.... Welcome to the Army! Crazy
@@MegaJo123456789 As someone who's been in the army I'm wondering who the fuck Chuck is and is he ok?? I need to work this into an insult. Like " Fuck off you dumb son of a bitch, your dumb ass should go walk in the woods and look for Chuck!!" Let's collaborate on this. Seriously fuck Chuck and his family...... Unless you are Chuck Norris and I humbly myself for sacrifice...
About two years ago my unit had brought enough ammo for most of our battalion to shoot a range one week. Turns out about 2/3 the battalion was still out of the country and delayed. On the last day, we fired the rounds we had to fire and were “done” with the course of fire at around noon. We were excited right up until they informed us that we had to shoot the rest of the ammo. I can’t tell you the thousands of dollars of ammo I fired as quickly as possible to be done with it all. We kept shooting until sunset, which was around 8pm or so. Such a waste of money. And I’m telling you there was no actual training being conducted after a certain amount of time. Just us yeeting the tax payers money down range lol
When I was in the Army, our battalion shot tons of rounds middle of the night training for "night combat with bare eyes", while the truth was we were behind round usages
This is also how budget works for military contractors. If they say they can develop some new equipment for a billion dollars, then they gotta use exactly a billion dollars, even if they don't need it.
I live near the former Fort Ord. In the late 80s the Army and National Guards would practice with M60 machine guns on the range and we could hear them. About nine o’clock the training was over and we could hear them burning off the last of theirs ammo. Sometimes older NCOs would do the shooting and they had a rhythm which was almost like music. I think they were left overs from Viet Nam. 😅
My rifle coach (former Navy SEAL) made us pick up every. Single. Last. Piece. Of brass we used. I spent more time picking up brass than I even did shooting, which always confused me because we weren't shooting anything reloadable (the first couple of years, anyway.) And I was always so distressed about the condition of my nails afterwards. (Hey, I started as a 12 year old girl.) Eventually we moved on to bigger bullets and learned reloading, but to this very day I still never paint my nails besides a protective clear coat. (Except when I got married and my mom got re-married. Then took them off immediately afterwards. 💅) It all makes sense now....... RIP Mr. Allison. You taught me sooooooo much.
Last time it happened to us was for our M9 qual. So anyone who wanted another crack at their scores got to go again. I was bored, so i went to see if i could still shoot expert with my off hand. I did, but realized i was shooting left handed, but right eyed. So, i went again and just kept my right eye closed. That ended up being the difficult part of it for me lol That's one suggestion i give to newer shooters. Learn to shoot off handed. You don't need to be AS good with it, but you'd never want to find yourself in a situation where it would be handy and you've never trained for it. At that point it's too late.
Right-handed, left-handed shooter. Can only close the right eye. But in 20 years, service I could shoot with either hand and patched my left eye. I can do this with any weapon down from 50 cal (MA Duce) to pistol. Shooting your ammo in training saves lives in combat.
You know hucking those things hard enough against a good surface achieves the same thing as firing them through the launcher. And since they're just chalk rounds the worse that happens is you get a little dusty.
@@clothar23 WRONG!! Throwing them at a hard object will break the plastic and expel the chalk, but it won’t fire the primer. No Ammunition NCO is going to accept a bunch of broken 40mm grenades with un-fired primers. Try again.
imagine being one of the smaller animals in the forest, let's say an ant colony, peacefully enjoying life, collecting food and expanding the nest size when all of a sudden you get bombarded with literal meteor strikes
Same thing happens with military food funding. I've served Army and Navy. We went two weeks with crab and steak for lunch and dinner to use up our supply (food funds) on my ship because our supply chiefs got great deals that year. Had to "use it or lose it".
Can't say that what I was taught was 100% accurate, but at Small Arms Master Gunner School we also got brass and the donnage % required. In that block, they said it wasn't for accountability, but for the return on recycling.
I had an uncle in the french army (he's retired now) and I remember when he described all the soldiers firing all their ammos for nothing because it was last day of training ^^'
I worked at a range in San Diego and we used to have military doing their quals all the time with us before we opened to the public. They’d always have ammo to burn at the end and would occasionally let us shoot a bit with them.
I worked at a asp, Ammo supply point. And I can personally about that this is so true! He got so bad out at all ranges that we had to make a detail just to go around the surrounding areas of the ranges and pick up unspent Small arms ammunition. Oh the fun I had 😂
my buddy was the "clean up guy" for his unit when they had range day. he was the machine gunner, so he was already shooting the 249B, and then they would have him just rip through whatever was left over for that day lol. i'm still jealous he got to shoot the 249B so much! he also had to carry it around everywhere, so there is that
Partially correct. Brass is picked up for accountability. Missing brass means missing rounds. You dont want a live round going back to the barracks and someone either committing suicide or shpoting someone.
SF doesn't hide their brass, they just don't care about counts because what they're allotted is the same every year unless they order differently the next time
@@tizzo.4337 If they're doing some shooting and they have extra bullets, they hide them rather than shoot them. So if they ask for more bullets one day, and the army gives them less than they need, they can use the hidden bullets.
@@TheLtVoss Thank God someone said. OP making it sound like a task when it was five minutes of work for a whole platoon. Less if no one important wasn't looking.
I had this incident in basic training. I went through basic in June of 2018, with C Co 1-46 infantry, Fort Benning. When we had machine guns assigned to us, both the 240s and the saws, I had been assigned a 240. It replaced my main rifle and that was the weapon that I had to carry around at all times instead of my M4A1. I had to carry this thing around for the ladder 2/3 of basic, see? Well during white phase, we of course we're going to the rifle/machine gun/grenade/GL ranges, right? So on the day of the machine gun range, I don't get to shoot my own 240 I have to end up shooting a completely different 240 which is a pain in the ass if you ask me... But at least I did get to shoot the rest of the ammo for the day as one of the people assigned the machine gun. Well I go to take apart my 240 when we get back to the barracks, because after the brass check we didn't have time to pull apart and clean our weapons at the- typical. When I take apart my 240, I pull off the butt stock I pull off the grip I take out the entire bolt carrier group, and the moment that I take out the BCG, some fucking how, not one, not two, but FOUR live rounds of 7.62 come tumbling out of the gun. Everybody in my platoon was scared shitless, because somehow between trainees, drill sergeants, range safety, etc, this entire fucking machine gun made it back to the barracks with four entire fucking rounds jammed into it by some unholy miracle. I was pretty much the only person who kept a level head during all of this, while everybody else was freaking out. Mind you, it was a Sunday, because range was on Saturday. So while everybody else is going to go get on buses to start going to the different religious services for that day, I take that opportunity to fling all four rounds into the woods next to the barracks. To this day there are still four rounds of 7.62 somewhere in the woods next to Charlie company 1-46 Infantry
I know that during training this was true and it got me worried when I was leaving for my first deployment. When I was getting ready to leave I tried to turn in a truck load and they had me drop it off with the EOD guys.
I remember a range day where it was noted that the terrain was very very dry. And the only ammo we had in supply was tracer rounds... Well I was on fire control that day and there were many times where I would go out on a gator that would have a lil water system on it trying to put it all out. That wasn't working so they gave me like a broom handle with a mud flap on the end and I had to go slap these fires out. 😂
As a British soldier, we too had the broom handle with a rubber flap on to put the range out now and again. Of it got out of hand we would ask the fire brigade if they would like to join us on the range for a while...
We were doing a lot of ambushes, moving out of ambushes, etc. and any time someone still had ammo, we had to do them over and over until we use all of the ammo. Those were done with full equipment and in 28+ degrees celsius. So instead we were throwing ammo away to reduce the amount of training. Forgot to mention, but it is strictly against the rules to use full auto.
As a military officer, this practice exists, but the “use it or lose it” justification people use does not. If you establish ammo requests for training IAW STRAC and doctrine/unit TTPs and then end up not needing as many rounds, all you need to do is write up a quick memorandum explaining why ammo wasn’t all needed for submission with your normal dunnage and leftover rounds. The reason this often isn’t done and rounds are wasted is because it takes slightly more time and thinking than most officers and NCOs want to spend on things. Another reason is because the military doesn’t want people leaving brass all over and can even send it back to facilities to be recycled. Use it or lose it only really exists for your leave, despite the fact that there is no enforced requirement leave is even approved.
Same principal, but I remember many moons ago, when the RAAF was still operating F-111C's out of Amberley in Queensland, and coming up to the end of the financial year, they would "use" their fuel allotment by just doing bump and goes around the airfield, with "dump and burns" on every circuit. Uses it up pretty quick...
I remember when we did an M60 qualification range.. obviously you take the tracer rounds out of the bekts to qualify, we had like a 300 round belts of tracers, one long trigger pull later it was beautiful.
You forgot to also add that if we do use all arounds we get a bump in money so we can purchase more rounds the next fiscal year. When I worked in S3. I was handed the company credit card and told to spend $8,000 for office supplies, I asked what the special occasion was and they said they're $8,000 short of their quota. This is what unchecked government spending looks like people.
Yeah they made our lives a living hell. Because we support have to turn in that damn brass. We have to turn in all of that, they had us getting up 2 and 3 a clock in the morning. Counting and weighing all that BS. They don't count are weigh nothing. We get blamed for that..
@@phoniexpretty9967 your daughter will be okay, as long as she stays away from a combat mos women have it made. the military does a great job of taking care of women and children. Just tell her not to drink 🍷🍻. Some of the best shooters in the military are women. Trust me I seen female soldiers be the only ones to qualify expert on a range ran by infantry units. Female soldiers make good gunners. The army is a paradise for a woman.
@@phoniexpretty9967 look up the two lesbians who tried to retire in Kuwait. Now they're in jail. They were army. The army will send female soldiers all the way to Dubai. They're one of the military biggest weapons now. And she'll rank up just tell her to stay healthy. If she is smart and know how to handle boystomen
I fired the M-60 in tech school. I was accurate with types of fire and had most ammo left. Red had said, "Rock and roll." That phrase made me happy because it meant use up all my leftover ammo. I was a happy gunner.
Use it or lose it has been costing the DOD budget billions a year for 40 years.
Would you pass up the chance to go full auto on a machine gun?
Most of the time units don't even soend the money on things they actually need, last year my commander asked the unit to write things they thought we needed on a white board to buy with end of year funds. Nome of the things that were suggested were purchased but the squadron did buy some new flat screen TVs, a VR training system and more workout equipment that almost never gets used because it's locked up and nobody below E-7 knows the combination.
As expected...
Rich ammo makers making bank off taxpayers and incompetent military that waste resources
It cost the taxpayers, not the DOD
A C C U R A C Y B Y V O L U M E at work
I'm stealing that!
@@travisadams4470 stealing? Friend. This is for all. There is no stealing if I am giving it to you
@@LongCaster_ Hmmmm..... Are you a commie?
"Wanna know why the minigun in all games doesn't have an Accuracy rating? It's because you don't need accuracy when you can make the target and surroundings disappear!"
@@LongCaster_ w
Ahh, the old "Your parents give you $10 to start a lemonade stand but then you find out it only takes $9" scenario.
Okay Oscar...
Explain it to me like I'm 2.
Came here for the Oscar surplus quote
Lmao Corban
i was about to say it 😂
It really only takes 2 just pay someone else to do it in increments capitalism 😅
“Mommy why is taxes so much?”
**soldier in jungle go BRRRRR**
No comment lemme fix that
You mean, “soldier roleplaying on training grounds payed for by taxpayers”
It's not even real money, they create it out of thin air and print it on green paper
Tbf it wouldn't be like this if you could request more if necessary. It goes both ways
"Because politicians keep sending money and free protection to foreign countries sweetie."
Taxpayers: Why do we have to pay so much?
Sarge: Fire for effect.
Answer: to waste!
@@Grizzman23 fr I support people like Larry Lawton
Taxpayers have to pay because the higher brass doesn't want to do their God dammed jobs.
All they have to do is give X rounds per soldier training no matter what. Turn in what's left. Then issue the exact same X number of rounds and not try to cut corners.
But they are stupidly convinced that the little work they save is more than the wasted ammunition. (Hint: ammo is very expensive. Even at the military bulk discount rate.)
Capitalism elite to protect our investments
Slava Ukraini
"ALRIGHT, FELLAS. ITS TIME TO JUSTIFY OUR BUDGET"
“Justify” more like “inflate”
He meant BLACK Budget!
@@odysseygaming3836 And every round used comes out of your taxes. People bitch about taxes being theft, but then cheer on shit like this.
No I don't think the soldiers actually benefit or maybe that's just my respect to the people who actually do s*** instead of fat cats and warmongers
Man you really made the broke people made on this one🤣
I met i guy in welding class who just got back from deployment in Korea, he was in munitions disposal told me after training in the feild one time they where heading back to base with a truckload of unused explosives, when they came across some farmers trying to remove a stump from their feild. Not wanting to be docked on their explosives next training session they asked if they could help, then proceed to pack all the remaining explosives under the stump and set them off. Problem solved for everyone 🙃
Damn i wish i could've watched that glory.
That farmer now has a weird story about some nice boys who vaporized a tree stump for him and I love knowing that
@@kirbymaster7491 probably vaporized the whole field and his crops and he stood there with his mouth open and a single tear as the army said "you're welcome" and walked past him 😂
That’s what the army calls “a public relations win!” 👍🏻😃
"Ah yes, let's waste ammo putting further unnecessary wear and tear on our weapon systems" -Military Intelligence
That's what they call an operational check
@@100GTAGUY its called practicing. Literally everyone who practices with their guns probably does this to a extent, and its not a waste.
Watch the video again.
I like humor, but training is important. Lastly, since we now give old arms to the Taliban for free I’d rather them be well worn. Hell we paid for them.
@@TheLuuman did i imply going through the operations of equipment is not practice? No, read my comment again.
I never said it's a waste either lmao
I was justifying it as an operational check, making a joke. But you've killed it having required an explanation. Well done 👏
@@TheLuuman lol you didnt pay attention, they are using more rounds than they need for training to increase their demand for ammo when they dont need it. Basically towards the end of the year they waste all the ammo for nothing. The DoD is 1 big fraud, waste, and abuse center.
The military becomes more complicated with each video I watch
😂They used to have us just shoot it all off because they didn't want to do extra paperwork...Spent brass vs live and spent 👍
@@hope4ourfallen no, you still have to turn in the brass and it's weighed, I was an armorer after I got blown up and have spent many an hour turning in brass. Not sure about POGs
Join it will be a lot simpler to understand
Yoo my comment got 92 liked LESS GOOO
@@FirstLast-ox1iy you and I both know that's a lie. Lol
Hell yeah, we had something like 5k rounds left at the end of one of my deployments. We had none by the time we actually left. Instead of full auto Fridays, it was a whole damn week of slinging lead!
Nice
2 positives, likely not too many firefights and then you get to have fun instead of loosing another battle.
Good stuff brother
I guess Sunday was spend on pure hellish maintenance, but its was all worth it.
@@merquiadesmclellan2800 whyd you say lose another battle like you know his group was taking immense losses, you dont know when he was deployed so im just curious.
Taliban scout 1: "I.. I think the Americans have finally lost it..."
Taliban scout 2: "what's going on?"
Taliban scout 1: "they're just mag dumping into trash."
Taliban scout 2: "oh sweet, that means they headed home. We're going to have a whole batch of newbies to fuck with soon!"
Fuck yea man, one day in basic DS took me and two other guys into the basement with our weapons and like 4 ammo cans of blanks and said “go nuts” at first we thought it was a test and just popped off a few in semi then DS walks up to me without breaking eye contact flips my selector to burst and calmly says “Go. Nuts.” and we did, oh we did.
This is one of the reasons I wanna join 😮
You had blanks in basic?
You know, I was in for almost 7 years and never knew that. I just figured it was to let off steam at the end of a long range day. Figured the brass collection was just because they needed to reload it
The Army ammo supply system is highly convulted.
Lets say for Nov of 22 your unit requests 5,000 rounds of 5.56mm for zeroing and qualification purposes.
The Army supply system will look back at what your unit requested and used historically for this purpose.
The Army will deduct an amount equal to the average amount of unused ammo from previous requests.
The problem here is that in many cases the requesting officer was not in that job a year ago because of in unit or PCS leadership rotation.
So if last years training was cancelled and all 5,000 rounds was turned back in.
Your unit wont get squat.
Welcome to the military supply system.
If you want 1 order 5.
If you need 5 order 10.
If you need 10 order 25.
If you need 25 order 50.
If you need 50 order 100 and they will ship you 25 with a back order for 25 more.
No more shooting rounds, time to do it the old fashioned way.
FIX BAYONEEEETS!
Running the army like communism I see.
@@randomlygeneratedname7171 No the Army is more convoluted.
I like the way you explained it thank you!
We had a new guy in Iraq he was a saw operator, every time he fired his weapon he would empty a nut sack 🤣 I told him this isn't training anymore you need to conserve
When I first read this I though that he had a bag on the side to catch casings and it looked like balls
@@Commrade-DOGE same 💀. Well actually, only until I saw the ending it the message.
Nutsacks are soft skin pouches that the belted ammo is stored in and can be attached to gun to keep your belt contained while carrying. They hold 100rds.
That's some clone wars shit
The US spends just about 800 billion dollars per year in military research
Yup, he forgot to mention that part where you have to clean your weapon for the next 48hrs before you turn it in to the armory. 😔
Yeah and cleaner then when you got it. I hated the range.
Just do it right the first time.
@@juneyellowsnek Obviously you were never in the Army.
@@douglasgilmore9167 fucking elaborate. I'm nearly four years in. 30JAN2019, cav to intel.
Regardless, just do it right the first time or pay someone off to clean it lmfao
@@juneyellowsnek The armorer was an asshole! There. Besides I had a real job ,👍
Heres a valuable lesson for lieutenants. Don't EVER share your ammo, don't trade your ammo for brass or vice versa! Learned a hard lesson about turn in to the ASP (ammo supply point) Lets just say it took O-5 power to straighten that shit out.
I absolutely love it when the NCOIC at the range says, “we’re not trying to count all these loose cans. Go ham.” 😂
Went out with 5K rounds, came back with 0 rounds. Definitely easier to count lol.
“your parents give you $10 for a lemonade stand…”
What's a surplus?
i was waiting for this
thank you
Ok explain it to me like im 5
This guy is exactly right. I remember spending hours and hours at the range only to expend rounds. All American 82nd
"Alright troops time to waste taxpayer dollars"
I remember going to a.50 Cal range, 4 teams, something like 30k rounds (this was 30+ years ago so amount is foggy). Took 2 days, had fun though, full auto, cherry red barrels, lane markers on fire.
Those guns would be fucked after that
@@maple6894 Nah, they're built to do that.
This sheds some light on something that happened during basic combat training. My battery was doing some kind of night training and we were told to just empty the magazines just as quick as we could. I always thought it was because the drill sergeants wanted to get back to the barracks.
It's both. The life of the DS is terrible and most end up divorced or dead
@@calebwiggins3042 I later heard that one of my drill sergeants got a divorce, that might explain part of his demeanor.
He had some different cadences that I wish I remembered a little better. One involved walking in the woods and bears coming out and also quicksand. I think he was referring to the Soviets and the first Gulf war. The second one started something like: burn a town and killed the people. Nuke everybody there. Do it on a Sunday morning while the people are at prayer.
@@calebwiggins3042 God I wish that were me
@@wanderingmercurymarauder761 umm hey guy ... do you need someone to talk to?
Hahaha! Woooow alright mate, heavy 😅😅😅
I’m in construction and bigger companies operate this way. They toss out good material because on the next project they don’t want to be short. You might have a good saw man on the first one who didn’t make any miscuts, only to have a less experienced one on the next. Sometimes the shipping of extra material is near impossible due to lot # and color matching, also the time issues associated with ordering more material, also when you have a schedule that depends on trades finishing before another can start the expenses can add up rather quickly.
Explain it to me like I'm 5........
Oscar: Your mommy and daddy give you ten dollars to open up a lemonade stand. So you go out and you buy cups and you buy lemons and you buy sugar. And now you find out that it only costs you nine dollars.
Michael: Ho-oh!
Oscar: So you have an extra dollar.
Michael: Yeah.
Oscar: So you can give that dollar back to mommy and daddy, but guess what? Next summer…
Michael: I’ll be six.
Oscar: And you ask them for money, they’re gonna give you nine dollars. ‘Cause that’s what they think it costs to run the stand. So what you want to do is spend that dollar on something now, so that your parents think it costs ten dollars to run the lemonade stand.
Im 5 and this is easier to understand, thank you
TLDR
Ok,I get it now... now explain it to me like I'm 3
This is how I understood it at first, but I thought "nah, thatd be ridiculous, wasteful, and extremely prone to cheating" well apparently....
Welcome to the Army!
Crazy
The office
That's when you take your blanks and take a walk in the woods looking for Chuck
Idk why but I absolutely lost my shit when you said "take a walk in the woods looking for chuck." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 send help ahahahahaha
We call it the ‘Amnesty Bush’
@@MegaJo123456789 Me too I'm in fucken tears right now.
@@stevejackson9952 fucking hell I re-read this an lost it again ahahahaha
@@MegaJo123456789 As someone who's been in the army I'm wondering who the fuck Chuck is and is he ok?? I need to work this into an insult. Like " Fuck off you dumb son of a bitch, your dumb ass should go walk in the woods and look for Chuck!!" Let's collaborate on this. Seriously fuck Chuck and his family...... Unless you are Chuck Norris and I humbly myself for sacrifice...
About two years ago my unit had brought enough ammo for most of our battalion to shoot a range one week. Turns out about 2/3 the battalion was still out of the country and delayed. On the last day, we fired the rounds we had to fire and were “done” with the course of fire at around noon.
We were excited right up until they informed us that we had to shoot the rest of the ammo. I can’t tell you the thousands of dollars of ammo I fired as quickly as possible to be done with it all. We kept shooting until sunset, which was around 8pm or so. Such a waste of money. And I’m telling you there was no actual training being conducted after a certain amount of time. Just us yeeting the tax payers money down range lol
When I was in the Army, our battalion shot tons of rounds middle of the night training for "night combat with bare eyes", while the truth was we were behind round usages
It’s like that one scene where Oscar explains to Michael using The 10 dollars for tge lemonade stand
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I love the office ❤
Ah there's something I can look forward to.
This is also how budget works for military contractors. If they say they can develop some new equipment for a billion dollars, then they gotta use exactly a billion dollars, even if they don't need it.
I live near the former Fort Ord. In the late 80s the Army and National Guards would practice with M60 machine guns on the range and we could hear them. About nine o’clock the training was over and we could hear them burning off the last of theirs ammo. Sometimes older NCOs would do the shooting and they had a rhythm which was almost like music. I think they were left overs from Viet Nam. 😅
My rifle coach (former Navy SEAL) made us pick up every. Single. Last. Piece. Of brass we used. I spent more time picking up brass than I even did shooting, which always confused me because we weren't shooting anything reloadable (the first couple of years, anyway.) And I was always so distressed about the condition of my nails afterwards. (Hey, I started as a 12 year old girl.)
Eventually we moved on to bigger bullets and learned reloading, but to this very day I still never paint my nails besides a protective clear coat. (Except when I got married and my mom got re-married. Then took them off immediately afterwards. 💅)
It all makes sense now....... RIP Mr. Allison. You taught me sooooooo much.
Last time it happened to us was for our M9 qual. So anyone who wanted another crack at their scores got to go again.
I was bored, so i went to see if i could still shoot expert with my off hand. I did, but realized i was shooting left handed, but right eyed. So, i went again and just kept my right eye closed. That ended up being the difficult part of it for me lol
That's one suggestion i give to newer shooters. Learn to shoot off handed. You don't need to be AS good with it, but you'd never want to find yourself in a situation where it would be handy and you've never trained for it. At that point it's too late.
And practice using your off eye! You can loose vision in an eye a lot of ways, all the more so when exchanging fire.
Right-handed, left-handed shooter. Can only close the right eye. But in 20 years, service I could shoot with either hand and patched my left eye. I can do this with any weapon down from 50 cal (MA Duce) to pistol. Shooting your ammo in training saves lives in combat.
I literally ran hundreds of ranges. If you open any crate, you have to fire it all up. Which is added to your next year's quarterly amount.
We somehow ended up with 2 extra pallets of 40mm HEDP on the range in ITB. Best day ever!
The video of the guy dual wielding m240s makes a lot more sense now.
Had 15k rounds left at the .50 range.
We were literally shooting til 5am the next day. We were taking shifts sleeping in between iterations
But barrels though, use it=lose it.
Waste of resources
@@ssgvegapunk cope
THIS sums up one of the major problem with govt. It applies to the military, public schools, congress, etc...
Cough/laugh all day. I want them to have EVERYTHING they need.
This explains mad minute where marine just fire off most of their ammo.
It’s all fun and games, till you have to burn through a thousand 203 chalk rounds with only 4 203. 🤣
You know hucking those things hard enough against a good surface achieves the same thing as firing them through the launcher.
And since they're just chalk rounds the worse that happens is you get a little dusty.
@@clothar23 That sounds a lot harder. Your arm would get tired before your shoulder gets sore, even from 203s
@@ncg8259 It's harder sure but a lot quicker. If time is of the essence I'll chuck them. If it isn't the launcher is the way to go.
@@clothar23 WRONG!! Throwing them at a hard object will break the plastic and expel the chalk, but it won’t fire the primer. No Ammunition NCO is going to accept a bunch of broken 40mm grenades with un-fired primers. Try again.
In my Engineer Battalion it was C4 and TNT. Good times.
imagine being one of the smaller animals in the forest, let's say an ant colony, peacefully enjoying life, collecting food and expanding the nest size when all of a sudden you get bombarded with literal meteor strikes
Same thing happens with military food funding. I've served Army and Navy. We went two weeks with crab and steak for lunch and dinner to use up our supply (food funds) on my ship because our supply chiefs got great deals that year. Had to "use it or lose it".
Can't complain about that
“HOLD IT DOWN” “it’s a MACHINE GUN”
The cav scout jab is true 🤣🤣 I can attest first hand to this
1645: "Alright, we're not going back until we police up all the brass."
And people wonder why every service weapon’s bore is absolutely shot out by the time it’s reissued.
Can't say that what I was taught was 100% accurate, but at Small Arms Master Gunner School we also got brass and the donnage % required. In that block, they said it wasn't for accountability, but for the return on recycling.
im surprised actual patriot isn't here yet
Name twins
BRITAIN 🏴🏴
I was just waiting you to show up before I move.
My first sergeant during basic became the scariest person I’ve ever met when it was time for us to pick up brass
"Use it or lose it" is easily the least efficient form of resource management.
Spray n Pray brought to a whole new level
"It's a machine gun! Machine gun!"
"OK!"
* start having fun while Erika is playing in the background *
government: “we need your taxes, we need more money!”
also the government:
That’s not why you need to turn your brass in…… spoken like a true pog
"It's a machine gun!"
"What?!"
"It's a machine gun!!"
"Hahaha, okay"
*[IMMEDIATELY FULL AUTO]*
“Your mommy and daddy give you $10 to open a lemonade stand…”
I had an uncle in the french army (he's retired now) and I remember when he described all the soldiers firing all their ammos for nothing because it was last day of training ^^'
We waited for one of the last shooting exercises and blasted thru the rest of our ammo! That was hella fun and alot of cleaning afterwards..
I'll always have a love hate relationship with the range. Just remember the more you shoot the more brass yall gotta pick up at the end🤣
A cheap rake is your friend.
That is such a simplistic answer it is because we recycle the brass to save money
Bahahahaha "Cav Scouts" I feel personally attacked
I worked at a range in San Diego and we used to have military doing their quals all the time with us before we opened to the public. They’d always have ammo to burn at the end and would occasionally let us shoot a bit with them.
I worked at a asp, Ammo supply point. And I can personally about that this is so true! He got so bad out at all ranges that we had to make a detail just to go around the surrounding areas of the ranges and pick up unspent Small arms ammunition. Oh the fun I had 😂
i can tell you were really in the army because you barely speak english and probably grew up in the states
my buddy was the "clean up guy" for his unit when they had range day. he was the machine gunner, so he was already shooting the 249B, and then they would have him just rip through whatever was left over for that day lol. i'm still jealous he got to shoot the 249B so much! he also had to carry it around everywhere, so there is that
If you don’t use it you, HAVE TO CARRY IT! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's how i feel about food in the refrigerator.
*Laughs in dumping all casings into the ocean (Navy)
This is why in every war they have wasted around 50,000 rounds per enemy soldier killed once all the stats were taken, look it up
As a kid, I used to find equipment stashed in the woods when I went hunting.
Thts why fort Campbell just goes hard all day everyday for like a week lol can hear just blasting foe days seems like 😄
"it's a machine gun!"
*Laughs in German*
Ok
Partially correct. Brass is picked up for accountability. Missing brass means missing rounds. You dont want a live round going back to the barracks and someone either committing suicide or shpoting someone.
SF doesn't hide their brass, they just don't care about counts because what they're allotted is the same every year unless they order differently the next time
Great job with the secret message on who hides the brass I had to watch it 9000 times to find what you said
I dont understand shit why they hhide the brass
@@tizzo.4337 If they're doing some shooting and they have extra bullets, they hide them rather than shoot them. So if they ask for more bullets one day, and the army gives them less than they need, they can use the hidden bullets.
Yeah have fun cleaning your weapon after use or lose.
That's just another togetherness exercise.
Or you have a bath with hot oil (no shit that makes the cleaning rod almost obsolete it softens up the NC residue so good)
@@TheLtVoss Thank God someone said. OP making it sound like a task when it was five minutes of work for a whole platoon. Less if no one important wasn't looking.
“Use it or lose it” is literally the worst financial idea ever made because it encourages wasting money.
thats my motto whenever i save the best weapons or equipment in a battle royale game "use it or lose it baby"
I had this incident in basic training. I went through basic in June of 2018, with C Co 1-46 infantry, Fort Benning. When we had machine guns assigned to us, both the 240s and the saws, I had been assigned a 240. It replaced my main rifle and that was the weapon that I had to carry around at all times instead of my M4A1. I had to carry this thing around for the ladder 2/3 of basic, see? Well during white phase, we of course we're going to the rifle/machine gun/grenade/GL ranges, right? So on the day of the machine gun range, I don't get to shoot my own 240 I have to end up shooting a completely different 240 which is a pain in the ass if you ask me... But at least I did get to shoot the rest of the ammo for the day as one of the people assigned the machine gun. Well I go to take apart my 240 when we get back to the barracks, because after the brass check we didn't have time to pull apart and clean our weapons at the- typical. When I take apart my 240, I pull off the butt stock I pull off the grip I take out the entire bolt carrier group, and the moment that I take out the BCG, some fucking how, not one, not two, but FOUR live rounds of 7.62 come tumbling out of the gun. Everybody in my platoon was scared shitless, because somehow between trainees, drill sergeants, range safety, etc, this entire fucking machine gun made it back to the barracks with four entire fucking rounds jammed into it by some unholy miracle. I was pretty much the only person who kept a level head during all of this, while everybody else was freaking out. Mind you, it was a Sunday, because range was on Saturday. So while everybody else is going to go get on buses to start going to the different religious services for that day, I take that opportunity to fling all four rounds into the woods next to the barracks. To this day there are still four rounds of 7.62 somewhere in the woods next to Charlie company 1-46 Infantry
“No ass no brammo, drill sergeant!”
*meanwhile Dutch soldiers having to Scream "bang" because the army couldn't afford bullets*
Former 89B. You police the brass because you have to make a certain weight at the ASP.
It’s always fun having to pick up mk-19 rounds when no one engaged the targets past 800 meters.🙄
I know that during training this was true and it got me worried when I was leaving for my first deployment. When I was getting ready to leave I tried to turn in a truck load and they had me drop it off with the EOD guys.
Picking up brass makes sense.
The brass is the most expensive component in ammo and is reusable.
I remember a range day where it was noted that the terrain was very very dry. And the only ammo we had in supply was tracer rounds... Well I was on fire control that day and there were many times where I would go out on a gator that would have a lil water system on it trying to put it all out. That wasn't working so they gave me like a broom handle with a mud flap on the end and I had to go slap these fires out. 😂
As a British soldier, we too had the broom handle with a rubber flap on to put the range out now and again. Of it got out of hand we would ask the fire brigade if they would like to join us on the range for a while...
We were doing a lot of ambushes, moving out of ambushes, etc. and any time someone still had ammo, we had to do them over and over until we use all of the ammo. Those were done with full equipment and in 28+ degrees celsius. So instead we were throwing ammo away to reduce the amount of training.
Forgot to mention, but it is strictly against the rules to use full auto.
WE WOULD NEVER NEED THIS MUCH AMMO BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ALWAYS HAVE THIS MUCH AMMO!!
The classic budget problem.
As a military officer, this practice exists, but the “use it or lose it” justification people use does not. If you establish ammo requests for training IAW STRAC and doctrine/unit TTPs and then end up not needing as many rounds, all you need to do is write up a quick memorandum explaining why ammo wasn’t all needed for submission with your normal dunnage and leftover rounds. The reason this often isn’t done and rounds are wasted is because it takes slightly more time and thinking than most officers and NCOs want to spend on things. Another reason is because the military doesn’t want people leaving brass all over and can even send it back to facilities to be recycled. Use it or lose it only really exists for your leave, despite the fact that there is no enforced requirement leave is even approved.
Same principal, but I remember many moons ago, when the RAAF was still operating F-111C's out of Amberley in Queensland, and coming up to the end of the financial year, they would "use" their fuel allotment by just doing bump and goes around the airfield, with "dump and burns" on every circuit. Uses it up pretty quick...
And that ladies and gentlemen is where all of our tax dollars go
I remember when we did an M60 qualification range.. obviously you take the tracer rounds out of the bekts to qualify, we had like a 300 round belts of tracers, one long trigger pull later it was beautiful.
You forgot to also add that if we do use all arounds we get a bump in money so we can purchase more rounds the next fiscal year.
When I worked in S3. I was handed the company credit card and told to spend $8,000 for office supplies, I asked what the special occasion was and they said they're $8,000 short of their quota.
This is what unchecked government spending looks like people.
Yeah they made our lives a living hell. Because we support have to turn in that damn brass. We have to turn in all of that, they had us getting up 2 and 3 a clock in the morning. Counting and weighing all that BS. They don't count are weigh nothing. We get blamed for that..
What fr 🤔 I'm learning so much from yall thinking twice about sending my daughter to the military
@@phoniexpretty9967 your daughter will be okay, as long as she stays away from a combat mos women have it made. the military does a great job of taking care of women and children. Just tell her not to drink 🍷🍻. Some of the best shooters in the military are women. Trust me I seen female soldiers be the only ones to qualify expert on a range ran by infantry units. Female soldiers make good gunners. The army is a paradise for a woman.
@@phoniexpretty9967 look up the two lesbians who tried to retire in Kuwait. Now they're in jail. They were army. The army will send female soldiers all the way to Dubai. They're one of the military biggest weapons now. And she'll rank up just tell her to stay healthy. If she is smart and know how to handle boystomen
seems wasteful, why not just actually practice
There's so much practice that goes on and there's also a deadline to use the ammo as t-sply said
I fired the M-60 in tech school. I was accurate with types of fire and had most ammo left. Red had said, "Rock and roll."
That phrase made me happy because it meant use up all my leftover ammo.
I was a happy gunner.
bundeswehr: "wait you guy get ammo
Yippee shoot.
I always knew my tax dollars were going to wasted ammo.