Chinese Roller Coasters are Coming to the USA! - Jinma Rides Explained
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- čas přidán 9. 12. 2023
- Jinma Rides, translated to English as Golden Horse Rides, is larger than Intamin and B&M, yet many fans of the amusement industry have never heard of them. Today Jinma rides is one of the top 3 largest ride manufactures in the world by revenue, They have built over 300 roller coasters and countless other rides.
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It appears that Oasis at Lakeport has abandoned working with Jinma/Noble at least for the rollercoasters. The most current/finalized plans appear to show Vekoma rides instead.
Thats what I wanted to say also. They changed the coasters to Vekoma, but I heared a few flatrides will be delivered by Jimna instead.
Worth noting that the spinning coaster that set them off is in fact a straight-up clone of the Maurer Compact Spinning Coaster model.
What many people don't know is that in addition to copying, Chinese manufacturers are famous for selling different steel than what was originally specified and tested.
I run into that in building products ALL the time. You can have stuff quantity tested. Maybe first batch or the samples are ok. Then the ones they ship are crap and you are stuck with them
Will be interesting to see how the copyrights and patents are handled on this. Since most of their rides are obvious ripoffs of other manufacturers
I know it sounds pretty rude, but I hope they get sued into the fucking ground.
I am guessing if they build original concepts then they should be fine...
The Vekoma SLC was a rip-off of the B&M Invert, and they got away with it.
And B&M's track design was ripped from Giovanola.
And Mack and Gerstlauer used IntAmIn's old track design. (The triangle design used on the Ride of Steel at Darien Lake)
And now Vekoma uses IntAmIn's new track design.
Or IntAmIn uses Vekoma's new track design.
They will probably be fine.
Patents expire. I doubt Jinma has infringed a copyright (although the parks they build for do). In the long term, patents are intended to *increase* the sharing of information.
A general ride concept is generally not patentable and most are known and old now. However clearly Jinma has copied more specific details, or whole rides in the past. And they continue to look closely at mechanical details, as we see here. Unless they come out with their own Axis or Surf, that's the sole source of potential problems now.
@spentron1 China and Chinese companies have famously not cared about international laws regarding this in the past. Manufacturers just haven't really had a say about it, and what they could do wasn't worth it to them. Now that they're expanding into the states and Europe, I can see this becoming a bigger issue for these Manufacturers. I think we'd see it more on ride vehicles, track designs etc. Than straight up copying a ride like they do in China.
I dont have a good feeling considering how Chinese companies may undercut American and European companies.
kinda like togo..
They were at IAPAA again this year (IDK why they were allowed back) and apparently were inspecting other manufacturers trains.
It's great they're improving but it's flat out unethical to support this company. Expertise has been gained through licensing other manufacturers designs before (Vekoma, hell I'd argue RMC helping contract a prefab woody let to Toper track). Just flat out stealing is what bothers me.
They also fix it so any accountability is void once the parts hit the dock. Good luck to anyone trying to file a lawsuit if the track was made from the wrong grade of steel, or the cable insulation cracks after the first winter.
A few more things
-Noble Rides mentioned in an Amusement Today in February 2023, article that they have 5 projects in the US. They are partnering with KCI Engineering for the Ferris Wheel at Oasis at Lakeport.
-Originally on the Broken Rail Coaster. The train had hard shell restraints with these wacky harness seatbelts. The newer Broke Rail coaster also features the vest-like restraints featured on the spinning coasters
-The Spinning coaster is a knockoff of the Maurer Rides Compact spinning coaster model. It is basically a basic Wild Mouse coaster but has an unload and load station featured in the middle. First revealed at Tokyo Dome in the year 2000
-Also the updated concept art and plans submitted for the Oasis at Lakeport don't show the Jinma Coasters. Yet shows the Jinma Ferris Wheel, which was mentioned in the Amusement Today article but not the 2 other coasters. Rumors are they canned the coasters for Vekoma.
-Mine Train coaster (First being Phoenix Adventure) is a knock-off of the Zamperla Factory Coaster
-Vekoma Rides opened Battlestar Galactica in 2010, and permits were filed for the Tayto STC in 2018. Which still makes it Jinma basically copying Vekoma and not the other way around as it seems in the video.
The Spinning coaster design was made by Maurer (& Söhne) Rides already premiered before 2000 in Germany on fun fairs. The Tokio one is just the first in RCDB because its not travelling. #themoreyouknow
My biggest concern is safety, honestly. If a company is offering supposedly good rides at a low price, where are they cutting corners?
16 years, no accidents. They're reliable, stop stereotyping Chinese manufactures as dangerous.
@@fadbob_ Do you maintain Chinese roller coasters or other Chinese industrial machinery fadbob? The corners are being cut in material quality and labor cost. The control systems are copied from European ones and stripped down to the bone until they are just functional enough to work with a slim safety margin. 16 years without an accident is also not that impressive.
@@haunter_1845 No I don't operate rides. And you don't need to. I haven't heard of any Chinese ride that is constantly closed throughout the day (except that one dueling broken rail coaster) .16 years without accident is impressive when you think these rides have the integrity of a playground toy. Lastly, material risks are valid when talking about china, and I couldn't disagree with that so I'll give it to you.
@@haunter_184516 years without an accident IS impressive considering the volume of the coasters they have produced
the only "corner" they are cutting is ignoring copyright, they sell the same quality product without the inflated prices
Jinma coasters are no longer coming to Oasis at Lakeport. Car was first manufactured in August 2022, leaked out on Chinese social media. The contract has since been passed up but they didn't remove the label this year and Oasis at Lakeport peeps aren't pleased. The ferris wheel however will proceed.
That’s true.
I hate how they basically copy track design even if it is slightly different, I like having each manufacturer have their own unique design for the most part!
I’m totally fine with the track design. If you’re annoyed at them copying Vekoma track, how come you’re not annoyed at the girder tracks of Mack, Gerstlauer, and Intamin all being extremely similar? How about the single spined tracks of Vekoma, S&S, and Intamin? (okay the last one actually makes sense as to why they’re same but i’m curious about the first three)
@@huntzzio I’m mostly talking about the copying of B&M track, their track design is like none other, yet this company copied it almost exactly, the track design of some Mack and Intamin roller coasters are different, Intamin stoped doing that style, but it was still different from one another, I’m not sure why it was so similar🤷♂️
Definitely would love a follow up on noble rides, the whole copyright stuff with manufacturers in china is interesting to me and I really enjoyed the content you’ve posted previously on the various manufacturers in China. I’ve tried doing the leg work myself and can never obtain near the amount you do in your videos, and I find it very interesting to learn about coasters I more than likely will never have the chance to ride, save for if noble takes off.
I’m intrigued but skeptical, we’ve seen new companies emerge in the states which have had very rocky starts (cough cough skyline) especially in their thrill coaster markets but jinma has been around for a while and has seemed to be having a resurgence and notice similar to vekoma.
Yea the difference between Skyline vs jinma are night and day tho. Skyline used to focus on games that are rides and then came up with a innovative but dumb coaster model that only SeaWorld and old sixflags bought. Jinma been around since the early 80's and moves more toward what is popular and copying it sometimes they will have some slight innovation's but nothing way out in left field.
Great video! Thank you. Excellent writing and very informative. I'd love to see a follow-up video on Noble
Your videos are so so excellent- props mate!
Thanks!
Jinma has faced little scrutiny for their copying of existing models in the market so far largely due to China's lax treatment of intellectual property laws (patent laws in this case) within their own borders. If they want to avoid legal battles, Jinma/Noble Rides will likely have to avoid opening certain copied ride models internationally, particularly within Europe and North America, home turf for many ride design/manufacturing firms holding patents there. They'll have to carefully walk a tightrope in the coming years in order to expand internationally.
Minor point, but Battlestar Galactica at Universal Studios Singapore opened many years before Jinma copied that style of track and train for their updated suspended coasters.
Concerned about the safety aspect of the Chinese rides. Makes me nervous.
there were no ride accidents in the 16 year lifespan of the company
I think the only reason they bought the Jinma coaster for Missouri was likely because it isn’t one of the blatant copies stolen from another ride manufacturer.
Also, perhaps someone a bit more educated than me can break the internet stigma, but I’ve always been more than hesitant to get on a ride that was made in China. I understand safety standards are lower in that country and while of course I doubt any US, or even UK, company would buy a coaster knowing it was unsafe or at higher risk than a typical ride, I’m still raising an eyebrow whenever I think safety and China.
I mean, Jinma had been moving more towards more unique designs.
As for safety... at a park I trust to do inspections properly, it'd be fine. If I was looking at building a ride I'd wonder if their stuff will stay in spec as long as their competitors, but that it will be safe as specced isn't a doubt.
Chinese products and manufacturers do have some negative reputations in several industries and circles, however it has been rapidly changing, especially as Chinese manufacturers try harder to make products that can sell abroad. In several cases the chinese manufacturers have done quantum leaps ahead in quality. Take vehicles for example. Chinese cars and buses are now more common internationally than ever before, and though some manufacturers of vehicles carry the old stigma of being low quality, others are up at the exact same standards, if not slightly better than western companies.
Jinma rides seen to be much of the same, just for the roller coaster industry.
@@drdewott9154 A big part of it is that Chinese design and manufacturing will optimize for a goal *ruthlessly*. This is a good thing, really, it just means that you need to be sure the goal includes meeting safety and quality standards. If your goal is solely to be cheap to make, yeah, quality suffers. That's true anywhere.
Some of the Jinma rides in this video look awesome. I know if they came to one of my local amusement parks, I’d be eager to ride!
As long as it meets the safety requirements that America has I'm sure it'll work out fine. The question is rather if they have a sustainable market niche. They can't undercut the Western manufacturers so much without skimping on quality, and if this one starts suffering from quality issues they won't have a market anymore
The place they would under cut the usa and Europe manufacturers is labor to make the track and the supports and Chinese steel is cheaper then Europe or USA steel
It's easy for Chinese manufactures to build products which can pass safety tests initially. The scary thing is how quickly these products degrade due to the lower quality of materials such as the steel. There is a reason why they are cheap.
Hi There, a great Video and some really interesting innovations etc. Cheers Peter :-) p.s. a Jemma Rides Video would be great.
If Jinma built a single coaster here in the US, then enthusiasts like me will laugh at it. Hopefully many major ride manufacturers will file some copyright infringement lawsuits against a Chinese ride manufacturers like Jinma Rides.
We'll see. Many dont even know much about Jinma rides' actual rides and how they feel. The vast majority of their rides are entirely within China after all. Plus again, with many of the newer models that Jinma rides are making, there are enough distinguishing factors to make a real question if there's any direct plagerism at all, though I'll let legal professionals decide that.
I wouldn't feel safe on anything Chinese after seeing how everything there is quantity over quality.
Great video, It's kinda funny that executives from jimna are attempting to steal designs from other manufacturers at iaapa lol
Competition is good for the industry and good for the consumer
Its the safety record that really matters. It doesn't sound like they have a problem, so i don't have a problem.
Do they still manufacture flat rides and have they also improved over the years?
I have always wanted to see a super spinning coaster in America, I really hope we get one
@micoasters so you would get on a Rollercoaster that's from China? Do you know the paint has led in it and there will be a lot of problems with in a few years. Good luck to you. Mark my words there is going to be a of problems
@@daniellewoolley8607I would as long as it has a manufacturer on rcdb
agreed! launch coaster looks great too
Momma always said never trust a roller coaster made in China 🧐
Chinese Roller Coasters are already here. There is one near Chicago, IL. I've ridden it.
Yes I'd like to see a video on Noble. This whole topic is very weird and interesting.
I would love to have chinese coasters here as well, IF they build their own designs. Even the "better" versions they introduced later still look like a knockoff. They went from copying Maurer for their spinners to copying Intamin for the super spinners. Well....
And yeah, the track on the newer looping coaster might look a bit different to b&m track, but it feels like they copied the homework and changed a bit so they don't get in trouble for it.
If Jinma start to produce everything without taking too much (A bit is okay, like our manufacturers do as well) "inspiration" from others, then yeah I would love to have some here. But the way they seem to operate until now, it's a no from me.
Definitely didn’t copy Intamin on the super spinners, it’s probably closer to Gerstlauer
8:28 shocking footage
Jinma really needs to stop copying people, they have so much potential and it seems like they actually know how to make a pretty decent ride but nobody is gonna take them seriously until they build something that is actually their own, no corners cut, just a solid ride that offers something new. They've got the potential to be a massive innovator in the scene and a willingness to try new things and build whatever the hell parks want, and if cleaning up their image and offering some appealing products is what gets their foot in the door for some cool new coasters in the west I'm all for it. More good coasters and innovation is always a good thing I say, and hell they beat vekoma to the punch making a better version of the slc lol. They clearly are capable of innovation but they're just not confident enough or unwilling to commit to being a fully original company. In this regard they are kinda faring better than every other chinese ride manufacturer though
Defo would like to see noble rides vid
Would be interesting
I mean, it would be nice to let the smaller, less populace Six Flags parks to have some coasters in their budget. Problem is, with the intellectual property web, no one wants to be the first one to walk through it in the Western market.
Their Flying Coaster trains look thick
Outstanding
I hope Nanfang comes to America. I really want to see their Flying Circus ride in an American park!
Their hot air balloon ride, rotating parachute tower, and their modern take on the circle swing also look interesting.
There are rumors that a German showman bought a transportable inverted coaster by Jinma Rides. But nothing is confirmed yet.
I know there's a Jinma Space Car out in the Czech Republic, it's at Merlin's Kinderwelt and has been operating there since 2015.
@@BAKU2K2 Yeah but this one is rumored to be newly produced for the large german fairgrounds. Size like Olympia Looping
@@DJWezzyK Yeah. I know there on Noble rides website is a portable looping coaster listed. Similar in style to a Eurofighter with a vertical lift hill, beyond vertical drop, and multiple inversions and short 2 row 8 seater trains. It'll be interesting to see for sure, Europe hasn't had a new large scale travelling roller coaster for decades!
@@drdewott9154 But that is not the rumored Inverted coaster like the old Intamin Euro-Star that travelled in Germany.
Yes follow up pls
The super spinning coaster appears to be copied from Intamin's spinning coaster trains
TBH, you can do it simple: avoid each theme park that has Jinma Rides/Noble Rides in their line up.
2:58 is that planet coaster?
Yes
2:58 using planet coaster for promo is CRAZY💀
Kentucky Kingdom moment
If Jinma didn't just copy others like B&M and Vekoma and innovated more I think they'd actually be pretty good. They're getting there, but need to improve more
I wonder how support is going to be if anyone does buy one of these coasters
Likely terrible. As a manufacturing and automation engineer I think it's safe to say that the control system components for these rides would need to be replaced by the European and Japanese products they were copied from when they fail.
Would be glad to see Jinma Rides come to the west :) There's no such thing as too many manufacturers. Sounds like they're on it with safety too. I'm all for it :D
thank you for this video! i hope they make it to the US.
one thing i want people to take note of: stuff like the spinning coaster isn’t really copying since it wasn’t patented (to my knowledge). Like, 17 companies, western ones too (Mack, Maurer, Zamperla, Reverchon, etc) have the same exact shit as them. Even the mine trains aren’t really copying. But the SLC one definitely is, that I’ll give to you.
I hope they come to the US cuz they probably won’t at Lakeport. Please do a video on Noble rides
Not sure how to feel about this I think it would be cool a little bit
I’m excited for this! I have watched the Chinese manufacturer series more times than I can count, so this will be great
Vekoma really got back at them for copying them by copying Golden Horse💀 damn
The last thing the USA needs.
Yes.
Not a smart decision. Especially if they get hit with sanctions for bullying our allies and other acts of aggression.
Huh? Business with China is very common with many industries even those essentially for western society to function, are intertwined.
Fun fact: Universal bought a Jinma coaster for the Beijing park. They're absolutely coming to the U.S.
I don't like Jinma coming to the United States at all. My main concern is build quality. Chinese companies are very corrupt because money for construction projects are allocated to high-ranking Chinese government officials and family members of executives in these companies. This means that there is less money overall for the actual project in question, meaning that Chinese companies often cut corners in construction in order to save money. The problem is that the completed project is not safe leading to that infrastructure eventually collapsing and people getting injured and killed. I wouldn't be surprised if this practice is happening in the Chinese amusement industry. Not to mention, US-China relations aren't very good right now, so simply put Jinma's timing is downright terrible right now.
We'll see but I have higher hopes. Chinese companies in other industries have done quantum leaps ahead in quality to make themselves more competitive on the international market. Vehicles like cars and buses for instance have become much better in a very short period of time. I'm from Denmark in Europe and as part of my work I've chatted with a few bus drivers here and there who have started driving chiense built buses, and they have nothing but praise for them, even saying they're better than all the European built vehicles they've driven before. Though that is for one manufacturer, Ive heard less positive things from drivers working on vehicles from another Chinese company.
But it goes to show that there are companies in China that now are at the same level of quality as the west, and I highly suspect Jinma rides is the same.
Taking pictures of a product is in no way whatsoever theft of intellectual property. All patents in the US are public. What is or isn't done with those pictures is a different matter. I have serious concerns about China, but we need to be honest and label things the same regardless of the company we are talking about.
Honestly, I'm mostly interested in if Jinma's copycat 'Flying Circus' flatride will ever make it to the U.S.
Not sure if this is propaganda or just a poorly researched video 😔
Explain
Made in China? No thank you!
I think Jinma will have their chance in the west soon. They still have a long way to come, but they’ve made a lot of progress in the last 5-10 years. While their intellectual property theft is a little sketchy, I don’t think it’s all that bad. Their are manufacturers basically blatantly copying eachother but in different ways. At least Jinma does it to their faces
Nope. Sorry. I’ve seen Chinese knockoffs of the Vekoma SLC. I’ve seen Chinese knockoffs of Schwarzkopf and B&M. China has even tried to duplicate Intamin box tracks. We obviously have seen them try to do MACK.
this is propaganda
Bro how
China is capable of producing good products. As I type this I'm on my trusty OnePlus 6T that I've had now for 3+ years and is basically working as well as the day I got it. So I don't think obviously that it's impossible for them to make good stuff, you just have to pay more for a better quality product. The concern I have here though is more from an ethics perspective. Chinese companies have often jumpstarted their development by copying products from other businesses, so that they can get going for cheaper, then later develop their own stuff. While they may be okay with that, to me it's an unethical way to do business, and hopefully they are not rewarded for it in western markets
Sorry but i won't ever be trusting Chinese made rides to be safe or structurally sound when everything from buildings and infastructre is tofu dregs
Of course, the United States is world famous for our perfectly engineered infrastructure which never fails catastrophically.
@@FrommermanI have yet to come across a single brick or rebarb in the U.S. that I was able to break apart with my bare hands.
@@Frommerman lmfao tell me you've never been out of the hood without telling me
@@BAKU2K2 How on Earth have you so effectively avoided ever coming into contact with bricks or rebar?
Hell nope
Keep China coasters in china. We know how products from china work.
yeah