FFS anyone here who is calling this engineer a coward does not know a single thing about what they’re talking about. Trains aren’t like cars, once you put in the brakes there is literally nothing you can do, no more levers to pull no more buttons to press, nothing. Now what are you going to do if you were in this situation and there was nothing left that you could do to stop it? Would you bail from the train and hope to survive? Or would you stay on board and get impaled by twisted metal and die when the fuel tanks become ruptured?
If anyone is interested, the freight (red) train was in the wrong. They exceeded the limits of their track authority and fouled the mainline. In other words, they went too far on their track and ran on to the track that the passenger train was running on. The incident report is unfortunately only available as a hard copy, and I don't remember where I saw the incident number, but I saw a summary that someone else posted of it on a forum that I believe to be accurate. (My old comment on this got deleted since I moved my channel to a different one)
Also as I recall, when passenger services began on this route, Via had reviewed the signals and requested one be relocated, which would have shown red due to the CP freight train, and the Via train would have stopped well in advance of the conflict. CP agreed, but it kept getting pushed back and still was scheduled to happen at the time of this incident.
Amazing camera operator, stayed on the ball the whole time, knows how to use the zoom to their advantage, perfect panning, anticipated the train filling out the frame, no shakiness, no freaking out at the key moment, no loud comments, no screaming, kept camera level, rare breed on youtube.
@Wrong Profile I've seen plenty of terrible VHS footage from handheld cameras, definitely the operator's fault in all of them. Modern cameras automatically adjust for lighting, focus and shakeness, but doesn't matter much if the person isn't looking at the screen when recording, and doesn't know how to use its features.
Here’s a lesson kids: per railroad guidelines, engineer is SUPPOSED to bail if all emergency measures have been taken and there was nothing more they can do to prevent a crash. Railroads are not allowed to mandate operators to sacrifice themselves
Rule 108 in most railroad rulebooks states "In case of doubt or uncertainty the safe course of action must be taken." If that means "joining the birds" (jumping off the train) so be it.
Something people seem to misunderstand about trains is, after you apply the brakes, (and in this case possibly apply the sanders due to the ice and snow), there's nothing more you can do. A train is not like a car. You can't hold down a brake pedal and go from 60 - 0 in 5 seconds. This is a several thousand ton locomotive with an even heavier train pushing it. You've got all this weight, momentum, and speed. There's nothing more you can do. The driver did no wrong by jumping out.
He did plenty of wrong by running however many yellow and red signals there were, had to be at least 2 yellows and a red before he was even in the same block as the freight train.
Man, this is from two years ago. If you read the comments the red train was not supposed to be on that track, it had overrun the merge where it was supposed to wait for the passenger train to pass. Guy who bailed out did absolutely everything right in the situation handed to him.
@@thesquatchdoctor3356 It doesn't matter how long ago a video was posted. We don't all look at the same stuff on CZcams at the same time. If it was wrong to necro-post CZcams would have turned off the ability to reply.
It was probably flushed out by the people coming to defend the engineer. Stupidity is not always able to be pointed out, but when it is, people will come in droves to call bullshit
Casey Jones the best operator on the railroad Basically committed suicide to prevent more death. He held the break, reverser and whistle until he hit the train he couldn’t avoid. He instructed his fireman to jump free and live
@@donovanulrich348 Casey Jones' story was set in the 19th century, before modern technology made such heroics counter-productive. Why do people keep misspelling the word "brake."
There are rules and regulations to follow Why didn’t the freight engineer jump? Or right, cuz this situation is still avoidable. And VIA jumped clear into the damage path XD
@@donovanulrich348 The freight was already at fault, knew it was at fault and was reversing, possibly to avoid collision. Jumping out of the freight would have either resulted in the train stopping (and a collision might occur) or the train would have been a run-away, reversing into a congested rail yard.
I can't tell you how many times I've done this in Trainz over the years. Crazy to see actual footage of it unfolding... both crews' adrenaline levels must've been through the roof.
Burned Noodle given the speeds I really doubt the cab would’ve been crushed and a derailed train will do a lot more than break bones if it lands on you
@@clasher3355 Yeah but the thing is, it's better to jump out and roll, and no the train wouldn't "derail" at speeds like that. If you were in a head-on would you rather get killed or bail?
@Keys & Locks Hypocrisy is reason enough for people to argue about something and it is quite common as demonstrated by the comments that keep appearing. Almost 30 years on, people are still second guessing the engineer's decision.
It’s what youtube comments are about. Saying yes and no after each other repeatingly while ignoring any context of a whole discussion. Optionally add a bit of swearing to add strength to the opinion.
Railroaders have jumping off impacts and near impacts since day one...they are instructed... once the brake is set to vacate.. don't comment unless you are correctly informed.... thank-you
@@mbkeeler If the algorithim does not work on YT comments, who is the one that arranges the comments in Top Comments? Yes, content creators can override it (I'm a content creator), but it does not mean the algorithim is not working.
A: "go down with you ship" Get crushed between huge pieces of metal after already doing everything you can" B: "apply your emergency brakes and bail considering you already did everything you could so at least you and your cargo can live"
For those confused about the comments saying "why was dude saying the engineer was a coward", I'll save you from having to scroll through hundreds of replies to various comments. Way back, in a land where replying to someone in the comments section left a different comment @ tagging rather than a submenu where you could see direct replies, there was a comment from a user who's name I don't remember claiming the engineer of the passenger train was a coward for jumping out of the cab and, I quote, "a captain always goes down with his ship". People tried explaining to him that 1) that's stupid, 2) it's the company's loco, not his and 3) it's a train/loco, not a ship. Dude was adamant in his stupidity and even claimed I was a moron while trying to convince me that a single unit with no cars attached is called a train (I don't even remember how we got to that part)
After the train stopped, the announcement went something like, “Oh we just avoided hitting a deer on the trains. We’ll be moving shortly.” When they get home their teen says, “Hey mom, check out this video.”
Mike Martin As a retired train driver with 45 years experience (in the uk) I totally agree with you. Would love to know how your system works over there.
@@jdavis460 I'm in the uk. From what I've seen of North American tracks, I would be cautious of anything above 20 mph metaphorically. Everything looks worn and in need of updating. Canada is better though.
I've read many stories about crews "bailing out" before a collision but this is the first time I've seen it in real life. Good catch. Better the cuts and bruises than being crushed in the cab. Good thing the freight was backing up full throttle.
Nah, if it was straight out of Hollywood the VIA train's brakes would've failed and the CP train would've been carrying dynamite and gasoline while traveling at 100MPH.
LackedPuppet 902 Oh and make sure the passenger train is carrying the nuclear waste transport flasks that for some reason will blow up into a 784 Gigaton explosion if a dihydrogen monoxide molecule taps it. Oh and the conductors sisters husbands uncle is gay. That’s Hollywood!
Wow great job to the engineers of each train. That was very close. Obviously there was a miscommunication down the line but they both did their job and prevented a collision
I don’t think people understand that even if the train did collide, the passengers in the back would’ve been fine but the front would’ve been completely crushed if it hadn’t been for the emergency brakes and the crews smart thinking
This! The speed of the collision would be very slow so the passengers would feel little to nothing, but the momentum the train carries due to the immense mass behind it would completely flatten the cab, killing the engineer! He did the right thing, and had the CP engineer not been reversing, it would have saved his life.
Why do people keep misspelling 'brake'? "Emergency break" is a pause or a period of rest. 'Brake' is a device that is used to slow things down. "Emergency break" means he'd go for coffee and come back when the crash had already happened.
Exactly.. the passengers have a heavy locomotive in front of them to take the blow if the trains did crash into each other. The engineer did not. Can’t see how anyone can blame this guy for trying to save his life after he did all he could to make it safe for the passengers. Very fortunate near miss and good quick thinking on part of both train drivers, but someone or something definitely screwed something up to get in this scenario in the first place.
@@aquaspire7671 best to get yourself out, save yourself and then be able to help those who are injured than to die and leave the aforementioned injured people to die as well (as well as all the other consequences of death)
Technically he is not the one to make that decision, that would be the conductor on the conductor down the line, but he probably did tell the conductor to give room just in case.
@@ligmaballs5536 would you stay in the cabin knowing it could meet death by slowly bleeding out while being squeezed between two trains like some kind of messed up orange.
At first I was thinking "Doesn't the Captain go down with the ship?" but the engineer had done all he could do, and would be much more useful in a rescue effort for the passengers than a gory art project for the M.E. to deal with.
So, do we want the engineer to be trapped in a crushed cab, or do we want him to be out on the ground aiding in the evacuation of passengers??? Do we want the engineer in the engine room scalded by hot oil and coolant, and maybe burning to a crisp in diesel or do we want him on the ground aiding in the evacuation of the passengers and hailing emergency response? Seems to me that when he made the decision to blow the canopy, his brain determined that the factors involved such as: speed, momentum, braking effort, reaction time, coefficient of friction et al; said GTFO. And thats what he did. End of story. Everyone who has been indoctrinated by Hollywood to believe that his life is automatically forfeit should unfortunate circumstances develop need to re-examine their belief structure. I don’t have a problem with that man saving his own life, because he obviously understands the value of human life and most likely would have started rendering aid to the passengers once everything stopped moving. Oh, and had that been a bad crash, he might live to give an account of what happened instead of everyone guessing and trying to figure it out afterward. Would all you mental midgets be singing the same tune if he single handedly with a broken ankle rescued 20+ passengers from a firey wreck, or would you be bitching that he should “get back in the cab and burn like a real man” SMH...
The train automatically goes into brake mode anyway. If he was to stay in the cab it would be dumb. Jumping out he is at least able to help. Dead heroes are useless. I totally agree with you
The amount of times. Once I was doing this in my typical fashion, and punted a rake of empties down a yard. My other loco was sat there so I had to switch and start, and stopped the runaways quite neatly. Nothing could have happened because it's Trainz, but I don't like to let wagons rear-end my engines if I can help it.
Engineer made a smart move, but can you imagine what the passengers were thinking? It would be like an airplane passenger watch the pilots run by them towards the rear of the aircraft with parachutes on.
If an aeroplane pilot has enough time to escape with a parachute, he has enough time to try land the plane safely before it crashes. If an engineer has enough time to escape through the side door, he's had enough time since putting the brakes on to realize the train won't stop safely before it crashes.
People did really. I had a conversation about it like few years ago and damn, people are idiots. Someone even compared this to a SHIP. Yes. "Captain goes down with the ship. When the captain of the ship applies all the emrgency equipment he stays on the ship and doesn't jump off.". It was so stupid, how can you even compare a ship to a train? I can't find it tho, iirc the guy who made that comment had a sonic pfp.
He followed railroad protocol. Apply emergency brake and jump...It's not like he can veer to one side or the other and he's in a non protected area against the front of the engine). The other locomotive conductor was towards the rear of the engine, saw it was a commuter train(lightweight and just a few cars), and succeeded in applying reverse.
The real smart one here is the engineer of the freight train that I’m sure slammed that throttle on Run 8 in reverse to get away from that approaching passenger train.
@@112Ishaan It was also CP management's fault. As I recall, there was a poorly sited signal, they promised to move it for over a year, with no actual progress at the time of the accident.
When the driver fell in the snow it reminded me of a post on FB when an owl tried to jump and fly, but instead it face planted into the snowy ground, and looked around as if looking to see if anyone else saw. 😂❤
Great Post Daniel Tasker: A VIA LRC passenger train and a CP Rail Freight with a C424 have a near miss on the single track just west of Smiths Falls, Ontario. The CP train was apparently at fault in this case, entering the block without permission. Watch how close they come with the CP train reversing and the LRC in Emergency, with the VIA Engineer bailing at the very last minute! Daniel Tasker shot this scene at the rail crossing, and happily for everyone involved, there were no injuries or derailments
I was piping a loop movement in the 1970's. Lo and behold a light engine assemblage was allowed to make an opposing move in my direction on the same loop track. Nighttime move. I was unable to realise the lights were on the same track because of the loop curvature. I made an emergency application on my train by means of the backup hose. Leaped from the platform making a superman like launch. Landed hard. Lights and my equipment came together causing the last two coaches of my consist to accordion. Thankfully the vestibule of the coach I was riding derailed in the other direction than the one I had jumped toward taking the lights with it. In retrospect I regret jumping. I should have dived into the coach. If the coach went cross lots toward me the company would have a flat conductor. Decisions of this sort are not fodder for yard office banter. There are plenty of stories about riding it out and bailing out cab windows or doors. None too happy. Once I was privy to photographs from the claims department of dead men from both methods, left me feeling empty. There is an alive engineman today and we should be satisfied with that verdict. Who beat the crap out of the operating rule violator after this?
As a UK Driver it was always made clear to me that it was NOT my duty to face death in the cab and that once everything possible had been done to get the H*ll out
@Ganga Din once its in emergency mate thats it you're done, you can't do anything more except maybe hang your bag on the horn and get out. On some of the trains I drive the emergency stop plunger is linked to the cab door. You strike it and they immediately open into the coach behind. I was always told in training never have the armrest down. The second it takes to lift might be the one that kills you.
@Ganga Din What else can you do? It's not a boat or a car or a plane. Trains are quite literally on rails. The only options you have are accelerate, brake, and run like hell! Accelerating is a death wish, braking is toggled not held manually, and is even on a dead switch. The only thing left to do once it's in emergency brake is to get your ass out of the way!
Me at 11 PM: I should go to bed CZcams: hey remember when u use to watch those videos about train crashes? Me: yeah CZcams: you want to watch a near miss of one? Me: DO I EVER!
@@twentysevenlitres -- worse, he is relegated to the role of impact guinea pig. Passengers deal with cars tipping over, he deals with human accordion practice.
Had a similar experience on a commuter rail train north of Boston, MA. The train was sailing along like normal when suddenly it went into emergency braking. I almost slid off my seat, my bag fell on the floor, and lots of other stuff did also. We sat there for a minute, then began to creep forward slowly, and continued to creep along for a mile or two. Finally after 20 minutes of this slow creeping with braking, kind of like driving in heavy bumper to bumper traffic, the train began to accelerate again. Off to one side there were a couple Pan Am railways engines on a diverging track, and one was belching smoke but not moving that fast. Obviously they had been out on the main line and didn't belong there. The engineer got us stopped in time, but we had to follow them back to the last switch in the track
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue What would you rather have, a live engineer who can articulate what happened and write up a report or a dead engineer who can tell you nothing and probably get's the blame even when not at fault. Also if you're so judgmental, Get your ass in the engine and play it out with YOUR life. See what you actually do?
@@yypee6648 Yes they are. It is standard procedure for the driver of a locomotive to jump out after the brakes are applied when it looks like an inevitable crash.
8 Years later (almost) and this came into my recommendation feed. Im super glad that almost no one got hurt (The engineer who jumped might of got some minor cuts from jumping off). It is good that the Engineer of the VIA Rail threw the train into emergency to slow it down as fast as possible, while the CP started backing up. Im no railroader, never worked on the railroad, nor planning onto, but i know that if a collision is most likely going to happen, you jump to save yourself, near close to anyone would much more prefer to walk away from a train accident with some scrapes and bruses, instead of being potentally crushed, burnt, killed, or if they are lucky amputated limbs.
The casual walk of the engineer after getting off (minus the stumbling) reminds me of older gta titles. Sometimes NPCs acted like they forgot something dangerous just happened and walked away calmly.
That's not uncommon for catastrophic situations like these. You're so focused on staying alive that you don't process the emotional aspects until hours or even days later. I think Sullenberger said when he crashed the plane, he was totally normal until he got to the hotel that night when he broke down. Policy would be to remove all staff involved from service, or at minimum, have a supervisor accompany the engineer to the nearest station where he could be replaced.
The engineer was efficient in both saving his own life and turning off the noise as soon as the danger was clear. Good Canadian conductors at work here.
Good conductors at work? You mean the blokes with the whistles who check people's tickets? I think you meant the engineers, or operators, or drivers ...
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FFS anyone here who is calling this engineer a coward does not know a single thing about what they’re talking about. Trains aren’t like cars, once you put in the brakes there is literally nothing you can do, no more levers to pull no more buttons to press, nothing. Now what are you going to do if you were in this situation and there was nothing left that you could do to stop it? Would you bail from the train and hope to survive? Or would you stay on board and get impaled by twisted metal and die when the fuel tanks become ruptured?
This ^
You don’t put the train in reverse🤦♂️
CAMERON WILLIAMS ok, what’s the point of putting it in reverse if you are already stopped? You stopped so you didn’t get into a crash.
CAMERON WILLIAMS the original post said throw the brakes on and put it in reverse referring to the same train. That can’t be done.
Oh Boy despite that fact my point still stands doesn’t it?
Dudes in the CP locomotive:
BACK UP TERRY
PUT IT IN REVERSE TERRY
🤣🤣🤣
Only the CP engineer actually backed up
@@whaduzitmatr SMH missed the joke
@@yungkidnf no I got it I saw the back it up terry video, but terry didnt back up the CP guys actually did
@@whaduzitmatr oh lol ok I gotcha
If anyone is interested, the freight (red) train was in the wrong. They exceeded the limits of their track authority and fouled the mainline. In other words, they went too far on their track and ran on to the track that the passenger train was running on.
The incident report is unfortunately only available as a hard copy, and I don't remember where I saw the incident number, but I saw a summary that someone else posted of it on a forum that I believe to be accurate.
(My old comment on this got deleted since I moved my channel to a different one)
what year is it
Also as I recall, when passenger services began on this route, Via had reviewed the signals and requested one be relocated, which would have shown red due to the CP freight train, and the Via train would have stopped well in advance of the conflict. CP agreed, but it kept getting pushed back and still was scheduled to happen at the time of this incident.
By policy, passenger trains are always held at the top of track priority, so yes, the red train crew is in deep ca ca.
@@keegangidley2071This happened on February 6th 1991
Btw the red train was a CP rail train being led by CP MLW
“Oh look! Another engineer! Maybe I’ll wave to him when I pass!”
*”wait”*
😂😂😂
that moment when you realize there's no passing siding
underrated 💀
" *But you realize there's only one track* "
Amazing camera operator, stayed on the ball the whole time, knows how to use the zoom to their advantage, perfect panning, anticipated the train filling out the frame, no shakiness, no freaking out at the key moment, no loud comments, no screaming, kept camera level, rare breed on youtube.
Totally agree
Yes. In this situation the camera always loses focus!
true
@Wrong Profile I've seen plenty of terrible VHS footage from handheld cameras, definitely the operator's fault in all of them. Modern cameras automatically adjust for lighting, focus and shakeness, but doesn't matter much if the person isn't looking at the screen when recording, and doesn't know how to use its features.
You forgot to mention they didn’t film vertical.
Here’s a lesson kids: per railroad guidelines, engineer is SUPPOSED to bail if all emergency measures have been taken and there was nothing more they can do to prevent a crash. Railroads are not allowed to mandate operators to sacrifice themselves
Exactly. Thank you!
Set the Engine and train brakes to full emergency and bolt! If that via train would have been a few cars longer.... much different storey.
Rule 108 in most railroad rulebooks states "In case of doubt or uncertainty the safe course of action must be taken." If that means "joining the birds" (jumping off the train) so be it.
@@McWrisk 2 or 3 more cars wouldn't make a difference.
trainrave27 would of figured more cars more momentum but more brakes too
Something people seem to misunderstand about trains is, after you apply the brakes, (and in this case possibly apply the sanders due to the ice and snow), there's nothing more you can do. A train is not like a car. You can't hold down a brake pedal and go from 60 - 0 in 5 seconds. This is a several thousand ton locomotive with an even heavier train pushing it. You've got all this weight, momentum, and speed. There's nothing more you can do.
The driver did no wrong by jumping out.
He did plenty of wrong by running however many yellow and red signals there were, had to be at least 2 yellows and a red before he was even in the same block as the freight train.
Man, this is from two years ago. If you read the comments the red train was not supposed to be on that track, it had overrun the merge where it was supposed to wait for the passenger train to pass. Guy who bailed out did absolutely everything right in the situation handed to him.
@@jankington216 Maybe if you did some research you'd see how wrong you are.
@@thesquatchdoctor3356 It doesn't matter how long ago a video was posted. We don't all look at the same stuff on CZcams at the same time. If it was wrong to necro-post CZcams would have turned off the ability to reply.
@@atlantic_love lol I saw the comment about how the incident report is only available as a hard copy. You can have at it, detective
I think its fair to say both crews that day had something warm drop in between their pants... and theres a former CP conductor out of a job
Fancy seeing you here
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You mean Engineer, he's in charge and reads all the signals, not the conductor. He must have not read a red signal. Human error.
Everyone says people are calling the dude a coward and i can't find a single comment of it
yea right?
Yeah idk
It was probably flushed out by the people coming to defend the engineer. Stupidity is not always able to be pointed out, but when it is, people will come in droves to call bullshit
Check replies on certain comments
The conductors were cowards
edit: I was making a bad joke out of the comment, the driver did the best he could
Brakes were on and he could nothing more, best plan was to get the heck out of there. Good on him for surviving and stopping the train.
Casey Jones the best operator on the railroad
Basically committed suicide to prevent more death. He held the break, reverser and whistle until he hit the train he couldn’t avoid. He instructed his fireman to jump free and live
@@donovanulrich348 Casey Jones' story was set in the 19th century, before modern technology made such heroics counter-productive. Why do people keep misspelling the word "brake."
@@donovanulrich348 ok and? This is the modern world. I mean candy Jones did save lives, but still. How does it relate to this at all?
There are rules and regulations to follow
Why didn’t the freight engineer jump?
Or right, cuz this situation is still avoidable. And VIA jumped clear into the damage path XD
@@donovanulrich348 The freight was already at fault, knew it was at fault and was reversing, possibly to avoid collision. Jumping out of the freight would have either resulted in the train stopping (and a collision might occur) or the train would have been a run-away, reversing into a congested rail yard.
I can't tell you how many times I've done this in Trainz over the years. Crazy to see actual footage of it unfolding... both crews' adrenaline levels must've been through the roof.
This was up for 11 years
@@railfandepotproductionsup?
@@jhsevs up online blud
@@railfandepotproductions what does the upload time have to do with OP's reaction?
@@matthewwatt2295 IDK but they didn't notice @LotusbandicootRR comment has been up for 1 year.
They saved themselves and the trains in an epic way. The guy jumping out and the second train backing up in time. Incredible,
He got out but it was not very graceful, kind of a belly flop onto the ballast. That had to feel less than good! But he lived to tell the tale.
God bless
I would've bailed too. Smart dude from jumping out.
Umm.. not if it derailed on top of him.
@@ToasterBrain but still, would you rather risk getting crushed or just have a few broken bones?
@@BurnedNoodle Re-read the comments. He's NOT smart for jumping out.
Burned Noodle given the speeds I really doubt the cab would’ve been crushed and a derailed train will do a lot more than break bones if it lands on you
@@clasher3355 Yeah but the thing is, it's better to jump out and roll, and no the train wouldn't "derail" at speeds like that. If you were in a head-on would you rather get killed or bail?
CZcams sent me to a video where the comment section has been arguing for 8 years.
Hypocrisy never goes out of the style.
@Keys & Locks Hypocrisy is reason enough for people to argue about something and it is quite common as demonstrated by the comments that keep appearing. Almost 30 years on, people are still second guessing the engineer's decision.
@Keys & Locks In this case no, the idiots who are criticizing or making fun of the engineer do not have a legitimate argument and may even be insane.
It’s what youtube comments are about. Saying yes and no after each other repeatingly while ignoring any context of a whole discussion. Optionally add a bit of swearing to add strength to the opinion.
Swearing and personal attacks insults. 12 year olds it seems, the lot of em.
Plot twist; They play this game of chicken every time he's in town and he just lost 2 out of 3.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Funny how he awkwardly realized he didn't have to jump... though I would've jumped sooner.
He didn’t know the other engineer had started to reverse his train.
if they did crash that cab he was sitting will be crushed
Better be safe than sorry
Logic is not working while you are having NDE (Near Death Experience)
Freight train driver was probably out of his seat on this moment
@@unity3596 so why couldn't he just run out into the passenger carriages and warn them?
For anyone wondering the date, it happened on February 6th, 1991.
Umm... today is the 2nd of august.
@@RyansColoradoRailProductions fixed. Sorry didn't read your message all the way
Lol
Hey ryan!
@@RyansColoradoRailProductions it was nearly the Hinton Train Collision all over again
Railroaders have jumping off impacts and near impacts since day one...they are instructed... once the brake is set to vacate.. don't comment unless you are correctly informed.... thank-you
That's why in literally every crash in thomas the tank engine you hear that someone jumped clear, even if the train was going 30 mph
Many have died jumping clear. This guy was lucky considering how he fell. One good head blow and.....
@@Doggeslife I'd *happily* take my chances jumping "ship" than being in the conductors seat as my train plowed into the back another train @30mph
@@adonislimes6156 i mean, there have been many times where the people who rode it out lived, while people who jumped didn't.
@@griffinrails holy shits it you nice to meet you
That reversing saved a Fender Bender. Great job.
A few years before this incident, VIA 6902 (the passenger locomotive seen) rear ended a freight. Quite the history
Is the LRC moving in slow or fast
1993, random people with cameras just passing by when needed
It's called railfanning
Foamers. It would have been 8mm film in the 1960s.
@@calvinnickel9995 okay, I don't know if you're trying to be smart, but there's differences between railfanners and foamers.
Rail-Noob....
@@s_rv. who?
Canadian trains: so nice they won't even collide.
@ConrailFan76 o god...😧
Ahahaha
They constantly derail. I wonder how many lakes are contaminated with some sort of toxic spills over the years.
Social distancing
Underrated comment
Imagine you're looking out the window of your train and you see the engineer jump out.
Holy sh!t mad respect to skill of both enginers!
STOP THE DAMN TRAIN CJ
All you had to do...
I didn't now trains ran on Grove Street 😂😂😂😂
It aint funny anymore and its startin to get annoying
Husseinberg 🧢
GOOD JOB CJ
When you find another case of people complaining about comments but you cant find the comments they are complaining about
Check out recent comments. CZcams algorithim are keeping it out.
@@mbkeeler If the algorithim does not work on YT comments, who is the one that arranges the comments in Top Comments? Yes, content creators can override it (I'm a content creator), but it does not mean the algorithim is not working.
They may of deleted them because they where too coward to face the responsibility of there words
@@mbkeeler And that's what we call "CZcams comment algorithm."
The comments about the driver being a coward are in the replies to other comments.
A: "go down with you ship" Get crushed between huge pieces of metal after already doing everything you can"
B: "apply your emergency brakes and bail considering you already did everything you could so at least you and your cargo can live"
if your train has breaks it's broken.
emergency BRAKES
Calm down you know what he meant
I like Plan B ;-)
@@leek6927 Knowing what he meant or not is irrelevant, haha.
A live engineer is much more helpful to injured passengers than a dead engineer.
For those confused about the comments saying "why was dude saying the engineer was a coward", I'll save you from having to scroll through hundreds of replies to various comments.
Way back, in a land where replying to someone in the comments section left a different comment @ tagging rather than a submenu where you could see direct replies, there was a comment from a user who's name I don't remember claiming the engineer of the passenger train was a coward for jumping out of the cab and, I quote, "a captain always goes down with his ship". People tried explaining to him that 1) that's stupid, 2) it's the company's loco, not his and 3) it's a train/loco, not a ship. Dude was adamant in his stupidity and even claimed I was a moron while trying to convince me that a single unit with no cars attached is called a train (I don't even remember how we got to that part)
Ahahaha, amazing
Imagine sitting in your car at this crossing and seeing this happen.
I'd be thinking that my boss ain't going belive why I'm late again for crap.
I would turn and try to RUN!
The guy filming got lucky.
I would steal the train and play gta sa in real life.
I'd literally shit myself and run! Lol fuck, I'd throw my car in reverse!
when alco's don't want to mate......glad those C424's backed up quickly.
I thought the c424 was saying this
Back up, back up, Back up, back up, Back up, back up, Back up, back up, Back up, back up. All said quickly.
So who blew the signal?
🎵Backin up, backin up, backin up, backing up🎵
@@kleetus92 no signals-the freight was not supposed to be on the main.
@@rearspeaker6364 same difference, but ok. Thanks for the info
After the train stopped, the announcement went something like, “Oh we just avoided hitting a deer on the trains. We’ll be moving shortly.” When they get home their teen says, “Hey mom, check out this video.”
great performance by the driver and the cameraman, both knew exactly what was about to happen, and what is best for the upcoming situation. kudos
I'm a train engineer. Great job getting that train stopped and kudos for the other train backing up. No one got hurt. Thank God!
Mike Martin As a retired train driver with 45 years experience (in the uk) I totally agree with you. Would love to know how your system works over there.
@@jdavis460 I'm in the uk. From what I've seen of North American tracks, I would be cautious of anything above 20 mph metaphorically. Everything looks worn and in need of updating. Canada is better though.
What railway do you work for?
@@journeythroughtherails5294 Pain and Sadness Railroad
chris Talk about Great Britain
6 feet of coupling together, didn't break social distancing rules.
Speedster10 bru
Haha
"social distancing" only made the things WORSE and perforate the fine shield which are "strong and healthy people"
well yeah
You Bastard! LOL
This video regularly appears in my recommended and I watch it every time without fail cause it's just so interesting
Finally, someone who doesnt curse or give commentary on train videos like these.
I've read many stories about crews "bailing out" before a collision but this is the first time I've seen it in real life. Good catch. Better the cuts and bruises than being crushed in the cab. Good thing the freight was backing up full throttle.
you can see the engineer jump from the head to head BNSF collision, my understanding is he was the only one killed
Justin Moody that makes no sense.
@@southeasternpennsylvaniara1588 my undertanding is the loco rolled over
Justin Moody I'm fairly certain that he survived as he was later found to have been under the influence cocaine and blamed for the crash.
just search for the classic one of the bnsf crew who were found to have cocaine in their system you'll see the crew bail out there too.
Looks like something straight out of Hollywood. An extremely close call that was.
Yoda is it you?
Nah, if it was straight out of Hollywood the VIA train's brakes would've failed and the CP train would've been carrying dynamite and gasoline while traveling at 100MPH.
LackedPuppet 902 Oh and make sure the passenger train is carrying the nuclear waste transport flasks that for some reason will blow up into a 784 Gigaton explosion if a dihydrogen monoxide molecule taps it. Oh and the conductors sisters husbands uncle is gay. That’s Hollywood!
Yeeeeeeee finally after 8 years!!! I foooooouuuuund youuuuuuu my dear vid, swear i missed you all this time
Wow great job to the engineers of each train. That was very close. Obviously there was a miscommunication down the line but they both did their job and prevented a collision
It wasn't a miscommunication. The report clearly states the freighter over ran it's siding and fouled the main line.
I don’t think people understand that even if the train did collide, the passengers in the back would’ve been fine but the front would’ve been completely crushed if it hadn’t been for the emergency brakes and the crews smart thinking
This! The speed of the collision would be very slow so the passengers would feel little to nothing, but the momentum the train carries due to the immense mass behind it would completely flatten the cab, killing the engineer! He did the right thing, and had the CP engineer not been reversing, it would have saved his life.
Why do people keep misspelling 'brake'? "Emergency break" is a pause or a period of rest. 'Brake' is a device that is used to slow things down. "Emergency break" means he'd go for coffee and come back when the crash had already happened.
@@seriouscat2231 Not everyone on youtube is a native English speaker believe it or not
@@zwan1886 you're being kind, lol.
You all are wrong the passengers would had been injured.
I'm a conductor for csx, i would've done the same thing..you do what you have to in order to survive
Exactly.. the passengers have a heavy locomotive in front of them to take the blow if the trains did crash into each other. The engineer did not. Can’t see how anyone can blame this guy for trying to save his life after he did all he could to make it safe for the passengers. Very fortunate near miss and good quick thinking on part of both train drivers, but someone or something definitely screwed something up to get in this scenario in the first place.
@@MittyNuke1 actually, the passengers can still get injured due to something known as slack, but the engineer could do nothing more to stop
@@aquaspire7671 best to get yourself out, save yourself and then be able to help those who are injured than to die and leave the aforementioned injured people to die as well (as well as all the other consequences of death)
@@lilliths-httyd-channel he already applied emergency brakes.. He could've done nothing more..
@@H.EL-Othemany exactly. why go down with the train if you can still help?
bro this is the most awesome thing i have seen for a long time
Я одна такая пролистала 😅 от начала и до конца, в поисках всех русских комментариев 😆?
@@user-wc2mp1xg4l 😂😅👍ура!)
Ай, больна ногее🤣
Нет не одна😁✌️
@@user-bp6ds9iq7x 😆 нас все больше)
Когда уже Ютуб зделает возможность сортировки по языкам))). А то искать русский язык среди 5 тысяч комментарий долго.)))
Good on the other engineer on backing up in time to have no damage done to each train
Technically he is not the one to make that decision, that would be the conductor on the conductor down the line, but he probably did tell the conductor to give room just in case.
Yeah but the other one jump off like a pussy
@@ligmaballs5536 would you stay in the cabin knowing it could meet death by slowly bleeding out while being squeezed between two trains like some kind of messed up orange.
@@embr4247 hell yeah
(either)
50%=engineer is not coward
49.9%=no one said engoneer is coward
0.1%=this
80% stop saying engineer is coward
~20% engineer is coward
0,04% this
@@checkdescriptionordontrepl2897 100.04%. ah
@@itsurboidonnie I wrote ~20%, not 20%
yohanes kurniawan proof
@@checkdescriptionordontrepl2897 oops
At first I was thinking "Doesn't the Captain go down with the ship?" but the engineer had done all he could do, and would be much more useful in a rescue effort for the passengers than a gory art project for the M.E. to deal with.
Driver Bailed last few secs while still in-motion ! And Stood UP too after that ! Awesome 🙌👍🔥🧨🙏
No cowardice...how he bailed and stopped the train is phenomenal
Still looking for comment who said loco pilot was coward
Same here mate
I keep seeing comments complaining about those comments but I don't actually see the original comments.
@@robk7266 yes
Probably not seeing them because they’re the cowards themselves. They know that they’ll get blasted by everyone who has common sense
They came back and hit delete.
I never knew that train existed but that was a great save.
0:14 me when I try to climb down the stairs in the dark.
So, do we want the engineer to be trapped in a crushed cab, or do we want him to be out on the ground aiding in the evacuation of passengers??? Do we want the engineer in the engine room scalded by hot oil and coolant, and maybe burning to a crisp in diesel or do we want him on the ground aiding in the evacuation of the passengers and hailing emergency response? Seems to me that when he made the decision to blow the canopy, his brain determined that the factors involved such as: speed, momentum, braking effort, reaction time, coefficient of friction et al; said GTFO. And thats what he did. End of story. Everyone who has been indoctrinated by Hollywood to believe that his life is automatically forfeit should unfortunate circumstances develop need to re-examine their belief structure. I don’t have a problem with that man saving his own life, because he obviously understands the value of human life and most likely would have started rendering aid to the passengers once everything stopped moving. Oh, and had that been a bad crash, he might live to give an account of what happened instead of everyone guessing and trying to figure it out afterward. Would all you mental midgets be singing the same tune if he single handedly with a broken ankle rescued 20+ passengers from a firey wreck, or would you be bitching that he should “get back in the cab and burn like a real man” SMH...
The train automatically goes into brake mode anyway. If he was to stay in the cab it would be dumb. Jumping out he is at least able to help. Dead heroes are useless.
I totally agree with you
Tuck n roll
yes... that's why we watch these vids
hell if we’re honest, if he survives and a crash actually did happen, he can provide his valuable story to the investigators.
cAptAiN gOeS dOwN wItH tHe sHIp
“Luckily, no-one was hurt.”
This is NOT Thomas the Tank Engine, so stop trying to be George Carlin
@@chandlerbranchrailfanprodu5928 pretty sure it was just a reference..
But they caused confusion and delay
But Sir Topham Hat was very cross
"God dammit,i was finishing my donuts" boomed Sir Topham Hatt
such a badass video. i know its horrible but they did avoid a bad crash... if that via had 1-2 more cars she was going through those freight locos.
Успел, респект и уважение машинисту!!!!!
This came up in my feed after 7 years? What was youtube thinking all these yrs in the first place?
Same here but I’m glad I watched it!
Ritesh R came up in my recommendations 2 weeks after you
Lol same
I can't tell you how many times I've had this same thing happen on Trainz... seeing it actually happen is pretty crazy
The amount of times. Once I was doing this in my typical fashion, and punted a rake of empties down a yard. My other loco was sat there so I had to switch and start, and stopped the runaways quite neatly. Nothing could have happened because it's Trainz, but I don't like to let wagons rear-end my engines if I can help it.
@@ajaxengineco Can I know...? Are u guys talking about Trainz Game ??
@@ayantikacharya3431 yes
Trainz is still a thing. I remember playing it years and years ago
@@jasperherridge3168 I love it...I still play it. On my mobile. Such an Awesome Game
Flipping heck! That was incredibly close!
Браво, машинисту, вовремя остановил поезд и спас пассажиров ☝️
2 тоже молодец начал сдавать назад
Engineer made a smart move, but can you imagine what the passengers were thinking? It would be like an airplane passenger watch the pilots run by them towards the rear of the aircraft with parachutes on.
This made me laugh pretty hard
Probably wouldn't know hes the engineer. Could just think he's just a random person that almost got hit by the train or something.
It's all about who have the opportunity to escape. Loco pilots have but aeroplane pilots don't.
If an aeroplane pilot has enough time to escape with a parachute, he has enough time to try land the plane safely before it crashes.
If an engineer has enough time to escape through the side door, he's had enough time since putting the brakes on to realize the train won't stop safely before it crashes.
Gerald Roloson sadly I had to 😂
Plot twist: noone ever called him a coward.
Presumably Daniel Tasker deleted the posts calling him that.
Who, the engineer?
I'm so old I actually viewed that comment and its replies. Dude was such an obvious troll I'm amazed anyone fell for the bait
People did really. I had a conversation about it like few years ago and damn, people are idiots. Someone even compared this to a SHIP. Yes. "Captain goes down with the ship. When the captain of the ship applies all the emrgency equipment he stays on the ship and doesn't jump off.". It was so stupid, how can you even compare a ship to a train? I can't find it tho, iirc the guy who made that comment had a sonic pfp.
He followed railroad protocol. Apply emergency brake and jump...It's not like he can veer to one side or the other and he's in a non protected area against the front of the engine). The other locomotive conductor was towards the rear of the engine, saw it was a commuter train(lightweight and just a few cars), and succeeded in applying reverse.
I love how the driver jumps out like it's GTA lol
Like Trevor who jumped out from the Freight train? Lol
Imagine being a passenger than seeing your train driver OUTSIDE THE TRAIN🤣🤣
"Hm, must be his stop."
How would they even know he was the engineer?
@@user-vb6lq9il5v uniform
@@squidgyjack Not every member of the railway staff works aboard the train.
@@user-vb6lq9il5v good point
Poor fella, he had to bail or be smushed into a piece of cardboard. Glad it turned out great.
I liked the Casey Jones move as the guy bailed then gets up like, no problem, I had this under control.......
Casey Jones did not jump from his train he stayed on board applied the brakes and blew the whistle thanks to his efforts nobody else died
That was an amazing save! That could have been disastrous!
The real smart one here is the engineer of the freight train that I’m sure slammed that throttle on Run 8 in reverse to get away from that approaching passenger train.
The stupid one here is the engineer from the CP Rail train who had no permission with his crew to go on this line, the VIA rail did.
@@112Ishaan exactly.
@@112Ishaan if I'm not mistaken VIA Rail runs on CP tracks, but one thing is one of them got to be dumb enough to run over the section order
@@112Ishaan It was also CP management's fault. As I recall, there was a poorly sited signal, they promised to move it for over a year, with no actual progress at the time of the accident.
"Okay, they're freaked enough, just back up a bit now"
When the driver fell in the snow it reminded me of a post on FB when an owl tried to jump and fly, but instead it face planted into the snowy ground, and looked around as if looking to see if anyone else saw. 😂❤
That moment you look out the window and realize the engineer bailed and you're on your own..😱🤣🤣🤣
Just glad it all worked out..
Great Post Daniel Tasker: A VIA LRC passenger train and a CP Rail Freight with a C424 have a near miss on the single track just west of Smiths Falls, Ontario. The CP train was apparently at fault in this case, entering the block without permission. Watch how close they come with the CP train reversing and the LRC in Emergency, with the VIA Engineer bailing at the very last minute! Daniel Tasker shot this scene at the rail crossing, and happily for everyone involved, there were no injuries or derailments
@William H. Baird, Thanks for giving us the location.
I was piping a loop movement in the 1970's. Lo and behold a light engine assemblage was allowed to make an opposing move in my direction on the same loop track. Nighttime move. I was unable to realise the lights were on the same track because of the loop curvature. I made an emergency application on my train by means of the backup hose. Leaped from the platform making a superman like launch. Landed hard. Lights and my equipment came together causing the last two coaches of my consist to accordion. Thankfully the vestibule of the coach I was riding derailed in the other direction than the one I had jumped toward taking the lights with it. In retrospect I regret jumping. I should have dived into the coach. If the coach went cross lots toward me the company would have a flat conductor. Decisions of this sort are not fodder for yard office banter. There are plenty of stories about riding it out and bailing out cab windows or doors. None too happy. Once I was privy to photographs from the claims department of dead men from both methods, left me feeling empty. There is an alive engineman today and we should be satisfied with that verdict. Who beat the crap out of the operating rule violator after this?
As a UK Driver it was always made clear to me that it was NOT my duty to face death in the cab and that once everything possible had been done to get the H*ll out
@Ganga Din once its in emergency mate thats it you're done, you can't do anything more except maybe hang your bag on the horn and get out. On some of the trains I drive the emergency stop plunger is linked to the cab door. You strike it and they immediately open into the coach behind. I was always told in training never have the armrest down. The second it takes to lift might be the one that kills you.
@Ganga Din What else can you do? It's not a boat or a car or a plane. Trains are quite literally on rails. The only options you have are accelerate, brake, and run like hell! Accelerating is a death wish, braking is toggled not held manually, and is even on a dead switch. The only thing left to do once it's in emergency brake is to get your ass out of the way!
Being a UK train driver you have the benefit that the chance of this happening is about 0.00001%
@@georgesimpson5515 I wouldn't be so sure about that. We have much better signal protection granted but we can still get it wrong.
No locomotive cab anywhere is rated for a serious impact. The force pushing on it from either side is unreal, it inevitably gets crushed like an egg.
Incredible being for these scenarios! 👏❣
My man had a lot of TRAIN-ing to prepare for this moment! I'll see myself out.😌
2.6/10
Me at 11 PM: I should go to bed
CZcams: hey remember when u use to watch those videos about train crashes?
Me: yeah
CZcams: you want to watch a near miss of one?
Me: DO I EVER!
Oversimplified reference?
People call him selfish, wish I see how y'all acted if were in his place.
He was just being smart . The brakes where applied. There was no reason for him to stick around and be possibly the only casualty .
The last I checked every hero is de**..my life comes first im bailing
Once that brake handle goes into Emergency, the Driver is relegated to the role of passenger!
@@twentysevenlitres -- worse, he is relegated to the role of impact guinea pig. Passengers deal with cars tipping over, he deals with human accordion practice.
Ppl actually said go down with the ship....smh
Appreciate for the other train driver for quickly taking an action without getting more nervous
Had a similar experience on a commuter rail train north of Boston, MA. The train was sailing along like normal when suddenly it went into emergency braking. I almost slid off my seat, my bag fell on the floor, and lots of other stuff did also.
We sat there for a minute, then began to creep forward slowly, and continued to creep along for a mile or two. Finally after 20 minutes of this slow creeping with braking, kind of like driving in heavy bumper to bumper traffic, the train began to accelerate again.
Off to one side there were a couple Pan Am railways engines on a diverging track, and one was belching smoke but not moving that fast.
Obviously they had been out on the main line and didn't belong there. The engineer got us stopped in time, but we had to follow them back to the last switch in the track
gotta love how the driver is bailing out on the passengers like your on your own guys see ya🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue What would you rather have, a live engineer who can articulate what happened and write up a report or a dead engineer who can tell you nothing and probably get's the blame even when not at fault. Also if you're so judgmental, Get your ass in the engine and play it out with YOUR life. See what you actually do?
@@madadhdbrain dead cause there's always the ntsb to figure that stuff out silly🤣🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue Then you sacrifice yourself and leave the rest of us alone...
That moment when they are actually trained to jump out in moments like this💀💀💀
Are they trained to jump out?
@@yypee6648 Well probably
@@chris52209 “alright class jumping out of trains 101”
@@yypee6648 Yes they are. It is standard procedure for the driver of a locomotive to jump out after the brakes are applied when it looks like an inevitable crash.
8 Years later (almost) and this came into my recommendation feed. Im super glad that almost no one got hurt (The engineer who jumped might of got some minor cuts from jumping off). It is good that the Engineer of the VIA Rail threw the train into emergency to slow it down as fast as possible, while the CP started backing up.
Im no railroader, never worked on the railroad, nor planning onto, but i know that if a collision is most likely going to happen, you jump to save yourself, near close to anyone would much more prefer to walk away from a train accident with some scrapes and bruses, instead of being potentally crushed, burnt, killed, or if they are lucky amputated limbs.
Dzięki yt za pojawienie się tego filmu na mojej głównej po 8 latach
Man I was hoping for a Michel bay movie scene to happen. I feel disappointed but at least those people got to live another day.
The casual walk of the engineer after getting off (minus the stumbling) reminds me of older gta titles. Sometimes NPCs acted like they forgot something dangerous just happened and walked away calmly.
That's not uncommon for catastrophic situations like these. You're so focused on staying alive that you don't process the emotional aspects until hours or even days later. I think Sullenberger said when he crashed the plane, he was totally normal until he got to the hotel that night when he broke down. Policy would be to remove all staff involved from service, or at minimum, have a supervisor accompany the engineer to the nearest station where he could be replaced.
Train 1: give me a kiss -3-
Train 2: Aw hell no
You done gave me a good chuckle.
MISS ME WITH THAT HOMIE
Lmao good one
@@drifty356 thanks!
jere G wow that’s a quick response for a month old comment
It's amazing the freight train was already in reverse to try and avoid collision. Usually they try reversing at the last possible second
Like the video very much.Take care
The engineer was efficient in both saving his own life and turning off the noise as soon as the danger was clear.
Good Canadian conductors at work here.
Good conductors at work? You mean the blokes with the whistles who check people's tickets? I think you meant the engineers, or operators, or drivers ...
You know some folks lost their jobs from this fiasco....
You don't know much about freight trains.@@SpiffEatWorld
@@EMCF_you clearly don’t, because a conductor doesn’t operate the train
The train engineer drives the train
Despite the situation both of those engineers thought fast.
Couldn't have said it better myself
it's almost as if having only one railroad across the country is dangerously inadequate 🤔🙃
This should be on the list of *Top 5 Close Calls*
I wonder what the passengers thought when they looked out the window and
saw the engineer standing outside lmao
"sir, why are you outside?"
@@corvettezone1771 Same with airlines when you look out and see your pilot in a parachute.
@aircrash tupolov 😂😂
@@col4574not the same at all
And legends say that the CP train never stopped reversin
You're a legend bro
They reversed right into the trainmasters office to get fired lol
I think I saw it today passing by my house
Damn train still rolling with hot bearings
wait cp is owned by the french?
This is what I imagine a first contact would go like.
Conductor of the freight train deserves an award for knowing to reverse
Coward??? Shhieeeeyt. That's probably the smartest move He's made in his entire life.
I don't think it was that smart, but smart enough to outsmart those people calling him coward.
@@checkdescriptionordontrepl2897 yeah most people woudve jumped
If you would just stay sitting watching the collision coming at you, that would be a natural selection kind of death... dumb
Guy just staring at it like: "Well, fuck, guess I'm still in this job"
Dude jumped 😊
Good breaks timing
Dudes in the CP locomotive:
BACK UP TERRY
PUT IT IN REVERSE TERRY
-Original quote from Dan's R&C