Exact moment Lila Rose won the debate with Destiny
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Destiny has proven himself time and again to be morally bankrupt.
Especially recently, dudes nuts
his comment whatever helps him win the debate. what a knob
Womp womp, the offensive shit finally turned around on you guys and now you can't stop crying about "morals"??? Lmao what a joke
@@RolaiEckololmao name a bigger group of people who find more shit offensive than liberals 🤡 I’ll wait.
@@RolaiEckolo Dude there is a difference between the left crying about every little thing and the right being pissed at people literally wishing death on others for political reasons.
The fetus is being harmed, Destiny. The human baby is literally being harmed to death.
He would say that it can't be harmed because it doesn't have the mental capacity to experience harm
Of course he would say a living thing that is a human fetus is being harmed, but he doesn’t believe it has achieved personhood, so it is not worth any moral consideration at that point.
seriously. how does he not see that
At 3 months It's not a baby.
@@TheEagleChristian If I cut down a tree, am I harming the tree? Does that tree have a mental capacity to experience harm?
Bro celebrated the murder of a firefighter, screw this guy.
Where?
@@mariec3733literally all over twitter and kick, the reason he lost all sponsorship on twitter and got banned off of kick
@mariec3733 Piers Morgan's show after the Donald Trump assassination attempt, I believe
@@mariec3733yeah. Look it up. Absolutely despicable
@@ZelfFShe also tweeted it
"ok so who is harmed by killing a 16 week old fetus?" Dude, you answered your own question.
He's pathetic isn't he. Gets called out multiple times always loses and still thinks he's in the moral right. Loser
he's a 35 yo with blue hair....he's to dumb to answer ANY question
How, how is it being harmed it doesn't have brain activity she just admitted that. No brain activity mean not alive. She also admitted that. Just because it has future potential to have brain activity does not mean anything. That was his point and mine
@@robertburgan609My dad went out of it 5 years ago his whole body didn't function yet they kept him on life support because he had the potential to come back to life just like the baby has the potential for life do you think my dad's life was worthless because he only had potential for life...BTW he lived to see another day❤
@@JadonKaskey-er2peif his body wasn’t functioning but his brain was then it sounds like he was worth moral consideration. That’s destiny’s argument
"Whatever helps me win the debate."
Well well, refreshingly honest lol
He’s joking because they aren’t engaging in good faith debate
@@MonkeyDLuffy-pc9fkyou’re joking right?
@@MonkeyDLuffy-pc9fk you’re being so incredibly intentional obtuse. He gave in because they were being insufferable and not engaging in the debate to hear ANYTHING he was actually saying.
@@laymansterms1776 Cope. Incel.
@@laymansterms1776, throughout this clip, Destiny was the one who kept interrupting Lila while she was speaking to him; he was the one who wasn't listening.
Why argue with a dude who looks confused about his own life
😂 😂😂😂😂😂
He doesnt know his wife was also my wife and your wife, so yeah, he's probably not the best guy to ask about .. literally anything. Now if you dont mind, I'm leaving to introduce destiny's wife to my father's polo team.
Are you asking why one should argue with people on important topics instead of dismissing them based on their looks? ok
Your offspring is "harmed."
Anti-Christ.ians Know this.
@@maxwornowizki422looks, morals, ideals and principles, oh yea and being a cuck.
That one line defines his whole career, “what ever one helps me win the argument”. He don’t care about the content just the achievement of being “right”.
He knew he was about to get cornered. I hate him but he’s too smart to not realize how still the argument is that abortion isn’t murder at 10 weeks but it is at 20. Pretending he really thinks there is no moral value in a fetus pre-whatever stage of development he decided to base his argument around (I think he says when the brain shows development needed to create a conscious experience). He uses the same weird “brain development supremacy” argument with treatment of animals, which he believes you should be legally and morally allowed to torture because of their difference is conscious experience. But yeah I just don’t think anyone with truth serum would be able to say they truly think the difference in value of a 10 and 20 week fetus is actually morally distinguishable or morally justifiable. I’d respect him more if he was just like I value the fetus at 0 until it comes out more than him pretending brain activity is what he finds valuable, but the potentiality of brain activity is suddenly completely IRRELEVANT. Yeah, no buying anyone actually thinks this way, it’s just what he thought was the easiest way to debate it for himself to feel there is some basis in science, in reality it’s just a lack of concern for anyone’s life and a lack of wanting to separate too far from his tribe.
Any man named Destiny has lost every argument in life.
Lol. Bit strange eh
Same with any dude that has blue hair
could say its their destiny
Underrated
Watch the entire debate. These women make fools of themselves. And I'm pro life
THANK YOU. I was like "oh I remember these ladies. They were AWFUL, they clearly have no idea how to debate. "
@@lyssakate it's not that they don't know how to debate. I feel like if one was honest with destiny, he can easily convince him if one is just rught about something. the thing is you have to be good faith and actually try your best to understand the other side's point, which is something kristan and lila failed at. trent did this much better.
Lila Rose did an ok job.
The other lady was a complete fool.
@@malirk they wouldn't answer simple questions.
@@gaynebrotherslogistics2516 Yep. However if you cut the debate up to mostly them talking and not them refusing to engage, you can make Destiny look bad.
"Bacteria is life on mars, but a heartbeat isn't life in earth. Weird." - Tom Macdonald
Imagine being pregnant for 9 months just for that child to grow up to quote Tom Macdonald.
The debate isn't about whether or not the unborn is alive, it's about when that life is regarded as a sentient human being. Its a cute and clever quote, but it's also a pretty shallow engagement of a really serious topic.
@napalmholiday9708 As shallow as,... being irresponsibility promiscuous, then killing a life for the sake of convenience?
@@NA1L3Dcorrect… how could we call this a “serious issue” when the murderers aren’t serious themselves
I mean we kill bacteria all the time. Even harmless bacteria so... LOL.
NO But the moment she defined death as the irreversible stopping of brain activity, she lost by definition. As destiny said, the fetus doesn't have brain activity.
Do I necessarily agree with abortion? Eh. But the fetus doesn't fit her criteria for death. Literally.
Up until the attempted assassination I thought where destiny stood on abortion is what made him so appalling
That’s what happens when you have contempt in your heart for human life. Nothing is off limits
@@Aaarandom Saying a cell isn't person isn't having contempt for human life. Dont falsely equate a logical position (a zygote isn't a person) to some evil moral standard. This is biology. And biological facts dont care about your feelings or moral position. Life starts at conception does equal its alive AT conception.
It surprises me that ANYONE takes Destiny seriously.
I mean if you watch the debate he’s pretty logical and consistent. Not saying I agree with him but he does do a good job explaining his position.
"whatever helps me win the debate".
Lila here is conversing with, as Paul did in his time and described, "wild beasts". Matters they do not care to understand.
Gods work 🙏🏼💜
Do Shutup. What destiny said is called to anyone with two Brian cells to rub together as a ‘joke.’
@@laymansterms1776actually none of this is a joke.
@@Mejiaelis actually it is. Levity brings authenticity to a debate and discussion. Only idiots stand on the graves of dead children to feel good about themselves, like you.
@@laymansterms1776 Cope, incel.
@@laymansterms1776What does that mean?? Sorry, I don't follow.
Never argue with someone with blue hair. Just refer them to a psychologist.
That was their problem in the first place.
@@huckleberryharrison6248 I can't disagree.
Hard projection there buddy.
When did people start getting so scared by the colour blue? 😂 Gorillaz 2D was the first popular one that I can remember then conservatives starting getting triggered and acting like snowflakes about it.
You have insanely low IQ this guy purposely dyed his hair blue because that is right wingers only argument, him having blue hair doesn't discredit the fact that you guys are dumb
This is so stupid, Destiny is not changing the subject at the end. He's obviously creating a parallel example for reference, but the comment says "Change of subject"... and Lila is not winning this argument at all like the title suggests, she keeps harping on the 'future of what it will be' instead of thinking about 'what it is right now', which is what Destiny seems to be talking about. Rational thought people.
The fact that it’s a dude debating for abortion against a women who’s debating against it is what I find amazing.
Don’t ever argue with a grown man with blue hair 😂
Exactly, because it's very likely they'll wipe the floor with you. Instead of simping off of shorts watch the full debate, which wasn't even a debate because the women were hysterical the whole time.
@@anthonys439 nah , Lila destroyed him , the other women was annoying tbh.
@@hiru102she literally said you’d be the same person after a brain transplant. Yeah, no, the only thing she destroyed was my brain cells.
@@wabbitseason80085 so who do you become after a brain transplant, if you’re not yourself?
@@wabbitseason80085 yeah, your brain cells weren’t destroyed by her it never existed to begin with.
"Whatever helps me win the debate". This sums up the moral foundations Destiny perfectly.
how can you tell? any example of false arguments?
do conservative parents not teach their kids about jokes or why is noone getting that he's obviously not serious?
I agree. Nothing about Destiny is serious.
You obviously didn't even watch it
@@TheJoel0508its a joke, but its funny because its true.
"Whatever helps me win the debate"
The lil' gremlin in a nutshell
Even if we grant that the baby is "dead", you could still argue that we give moral consideration to dead people by honoring their will and have laws against desecration of dead bodies.
i think he’s the one lacking brain activity
Let's bury him
I agree
Lmao yes
He's rich af from debating and playing video games. His brain is working better than most even if you disagree with his moral position.
😂😂😂
They lost this debate. Watch the whole thing if you don’t believe me, by the end they resort to name calling which is a clear cut sign they’ve lost.
who's they?
Who do you mean by “they”
the pro life side lost
Life always loses @@jacquelineharris6124
You're stupid
Her point makes literally no sense 😭
“Whatever one helps me win the debate.” He doesn’t care about truth, he only cares about APPEARING to be correct.
I mean a baby was born at 21 weeks and survived. Also electrical brain activity normally starts at 5-6 weeks.
Electrical activity doesn’t = consciousness. And 21 weeks is within the range of 20-24 weeks.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lpindeed brain activity does not equal consciousness. Consciousness isn’t relevant to the issue of killing people. It doesn’t become moral to kill someone if you render them unconscious first.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lpwhy would you encourage abortion anyway?
Do you hate women or something?
Because abortion is NOT good for the body.
Obviously terminating a pregnancy is going to destroy your hormones.
Which causes loads of problems. Extra hair on your chin and chest, or losing hair on your head.
Also causes severe anxiety and depression, which often leads to suicide.
But they don't want you to know that because they get $800 IN POCKET for each abortion.
They are literally charging women to destroy their bodies.
And men are okay with it because they also want to have careless sex.
Just know EACH partner a woman adds to her body count literally puts her closer to developing cervical cancer.
Women can literally get vagina cancer, from have sex willy nilly.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lpAlso, only 1% of abortions are from rape.
Which means women who get raped take more responsibility over their pregnancy than women who don't get raped.
In other words, whores are making it to where raped women can't access abortion.
They're ruining it for the real victims.
It's NOT cool. The trend is not good, or fun. It's destructive to women.
If you ever want a future for women you'll stop preaching the nonsense the media wants you too.
Do your own independent research. Seriously you'll see how bad things are if you do.
Also when I was pregnant, my baby at just a few weeks old was spinning and doing flips in my tummy whenever I smelled food.
She knew she was getting fed. Literally at like 9 ish weeks.
Majority of women don't find out they are pregnant until 8-10 weeks.
The choice lies within the action of sex.
If you don't want a kid so bad, then why do the ONE thing that leads to one? Its stupid.
Women aren't just for sex and neither are men. WAKE THE HELL UP ALREADY GUYS. DAMN.
Irrelevant. Life begins at conception per biology. It is a scientific fact.
This wasn’t a debate. It was two woman rambling and screeching for 4 hours.
Man, I was so embarrassed for them watching this video, especially because of Kristen, the fat lady, I'm sure lila was embarrassed for her too
3*
Actually if destiny defines death as no brain activity then that’s only his opinion .
More and more science is leaning towards consciousness not being tied to brain activity .
Destiny is a destined moron 😂
Dont talk about Destiny like that
@@EventualWarlord 😂 😂 😂 😂
Hes right a baby is brain dead until it isn't. So it going to have brain activity is irrelevant. Sure you can question morals but you cant say you're hurting the baby.
This guy thinks he's smart. He should quit thinking because he's not that smart.
@@twoweimies Watch the full debate Lila only showed the parts that make her look good.
“But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don’t they?” Scarecrow, Wizard of Oz
Best quote ever!
Ah yes, the Wizard of Oz argument, the debate is now settled.../s
“It ain’t so much that liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so.”
-Ronald Reagan
That's funny. Because she's doing most of the talking 😂😂
@@Muggshot318 okay, so my timing is bad. So sue me 😂
He showed his bad faith when he said whichever one will help me win the debate.
It was a joke no?
@@Dreammuncherno he was being genuine, because destiny is a fucking loser and always has been. I remember when this dude had like 10 viewers in his stream before he blew up. I went in there debated him in his chat and made him look like a retard. He ended up blocking me and everything.
He's joking?
he might make it seem like a joke but trust me, this guy isnt lying. there is no distance he wont go to win an argument. he will even continue to argue even when he knows he is wrong.
@@jgro9 OK right so it was a joke, cool
She literally said before that is a rape victim gets pregnant, it’s “God’s plan for her.”
A pretty stupid thing to say but its not worse than supporting Abortion
He's such a funny little man. "Who is harmed when you harm a fetus?" Good one, genius.
I listened to that whole debate and those two got absolutely demolished. This clip is deceptive. They lost on so many points and have an absolute inability to think in terms of hypotheticals. It was embarrassing listening to them.
Only Destiny lost. Lila was the only reasonable one
@@sydneysahota No, they were both wrong and incapable of any rational or critical thinking skills. They couldn't even think in terms of hypotheticals. You gotta be extremely unintelligent to believe they won on any points.
How did they lose when they stuck to science, yet Destiny was using his personal ideology and loose translations that were void of logic?
@@fresmontana9214 How did they win when they can't even comprehend hypothetical situations? You know, something you need to be able to use when conducting scientific research? They are not smart and there are far better options out there to call out Destiny's lack of knowledge.
@@AriseInGondolin Which argument are you speaking of specifically? It's pretty disingenuous to argue that they aren't able to understand hypotheticals when they engage in multiple hypotheticals throughout the debate. Destiny's hypotheticals often lack science in their foundation and are based on personal ideogies. So you can't blame anyone who doesn't automatically grasp his delusion.
Abortions hurt the mother and the fetus
Probably hurts the fetus more at a guess.
@@PsiRipples probably does but it goes to show there is no good side to an abortion and that it’s more painful than actual labor and has worse side effects
@@christianreade3201 oh there are good reasons for an abortion
@@PsiRipples like what
@@christianreade3201 keeping the baby will cause death to the mother, the baby is going to die before birth or very soon after, the baby is already dead. Are the obvious ones.
Slightly controversial ones are serious birth or genetic defects.
This is before Destiny went off the deep end. He told us exactly who he was during this debate. “Whatever will help me win the debate.” His current views are so warped but he’s so deep in them and such a narcissist that he cannot allow himself to admit he was wrong.
The blue hair dye seeped into his skull and caused brain damage, how else can you explain this idiocy?
That's being generous. He is still really bad, but he used to be way worse.
Destiny debates from the liberal position using superior tactics to most people. He does this to promote his brand and make lots of money. Even if he loses a point he still wins and his brand helps promote his opponent. It's a brilliant business model.
@tomj7382 not so brilliant, who is this guy???
@@boem3021 yes he is brilliant. He's a long time streamer in video game world and political debater that has helped tons of influencers on both the left and right. Everyone from the young terks, to Lauren Southern, Milo, Tim Pool and everyone inbetween has him on speed dial.
If he had superior tactics, he would've had his facts straight. He wouldn't have had the sheepish grin and added "whatever wins me the debate." Indeed, within the first three months, there is detectable fetal brain activity. He has zero idea of what actual growth occurs by 16 weeks.
Throwing out Ad hominems and interrupting someone for 4 hours isn’t “winning a debate”
Destiny is the guy abstaining protects women from. Of course he loves feminism, it enables him.
Based on
@@DearFermi Destiny doesn’t love you
@@Shadowbanned4Lyfelol I don’t even like destiny but he killed her in this debate. The original comments very correct. That’s all people wanna do is Ad Hominem attack these days it seem. Meanwhile half the people I see do it don’t even know wtf that means.
@@BooskiD So concede that Destiny is the kind of man abstaining would protect a woman from. I’ll talk personal shit about him and wreck his logic 🤷♂️
Any so-called man who goes by the name Destiny should not be listened to for a start.
You have to be delusional to think she won that debate.
What kills me about Destiny is he's not dumb, but he loves to argue for fun. Even if he agreed with you or anyone, he would just argue to argue. Get em Lila!
Fun fact, he also use to be Pro-Life
Yes, and i can't stand that kind of person.
@@semiethicalSometimes people get stupid. Sometimes they get smarter. Destiny falls in the former category.
@@Thompsongs Same. It is such a narcissistic trait to just seek to upset or frustrate the other person for the sake of it, it's gross.
@@semiethicalhe’s probably still Is and like the main commenter said, he likes to argue for fun
How can anyone take a man with blue hair and calls himself Destiny seriously?
You mean Zestiny? Cause he’s a zesty Z👁️-onist
@@mitchellnelson6249how is he a zionist? 🤣
By not judging him before he speaks.
@@keely-lornekirby7370 he repeats all the mo$$ad talking points just like bibi satanyahoo he might as well apply for isntreali citizenship
@@keely-lornekirby7370 I like how you didn’t dispute me calling him zesty tho 🤣
For those who watched this whole debate. If you think anyone other than destiny won, you weren't paying attention.
Always turns to “you care too much” “you’re boring” “sure whatever ends the argument” when they have no fucking response.
See right there is the problem with him. He doesn't give care about morals, ethics or even human life. All he cares about is "winning" the debate.
throw logic in there with that list. which kind of makes winning the debate a moot point to begin with. so not only is he depraved, hes also a moron.
the internet does strange things to people. here we have a grown man doing everything within his power to hide any redeeming qualities he might possess. some things arent meant to be understood, i suppose.
Look, he IS a moron sometimes but he was pretty clearly joking with the "winning" comment.
This is the nature of the Left : They are incapable of arguing from Principles because they have none. They function purely out of pragmatism and expediency.
@@galenschultz3239he’s slow
damn you guys say the left gets offended by jokes? look in the mirror.
"Whatever helps me win the debate" "and yeah, I am a monster so what" are the only stances pro-abortion people have left.
hahaha, this makes no sense.
This signifies a complete lack of awareness of who destiny is and what he does. He only argues reasonable points, and most pro lifers and completely ignorant and cringe to watch. So glad I'm not off the wall like these two ladies, my takes on being pro life are far better then these 2 and I don't even make a living off of it. Dogma is always self serving, never believe someone who can't be reasonable.
@@mosser-wm3dxyou're an imbecile if you defend killing our offspring. This is why we haven't been visited by advanced civilizations, retards on this planet kill their offspring so they can bang more. Selfish low IQ fools.
Every pro-birther argument is comple garbage lol
@@p5729 every abortion wanting whore is fueled by selfish wants
Destiny doesn't debate for what is right. Destiny debates to be right.
"Whatever helps me win the debate" there we go, Destiny telling you what he is and how credible he is.
Lila tried to win but Kristen single-handedly lost the debate. Hold this L 💁♂️
Nope you are deluded however
@@Dobermann89-dr2rcNo, you, lel
You can clearly see it in destiny‘s face, he is rattled, Lila has the superior logic.
He's not he's annoyed because they've been strawmanning his argument for over an hour at this point. This was a four hour ordeal of which they could not one time accurately or honestly articulate his position.if you spent four hours talking to somebody trying to explain to them that you don't want to murder people that you disagree on the definition of personhood and they spent that whole time telling you that you just want to murder children instead of honestly engaging with where your definitions of personhood differ you'd be pretty annoyed and exhausting to
Idk if I've ever witnessed this level of delusion, watch the debate
@@fiachracasey7625 I’ve seen Destiny debate on many panels before and I have never seen him display this type of body/face language. The same with J. Waller. Lila wiped the floor with them.
@@williamwallace410 The body language is because he went through 4 hours of trying to explain the same simple argument to two of the worst faith dumb emotional women I've seen. He answers every one of their questions, while they can't answer a single one of his
@@fiachracasey7625 Destiny exposed himself in this debate. He doesn't "live" logically. He only uses his logic to rationalise his opinion/feelings. When someone shows him the error of his logic, he doesn't adjust his opinion.
The moment anyone wins a debate against "Destiny" is the moment he was gay, which was at the beginning of time, every time.
"Whatever helps me win the debate" The only honest thing that Destiny's ever said in his life!
A 12 second internet search shows brain activity after 45 days
@richrenii nothing backfired. My comment consisted of ELEVEN words, if you think you have a complete understanding of ANYTHING after 11 words you need to rethink your self
i haven’t looked it up but even granting that, the only people putting the value of a few brain waves for life are the pro life people and wouldn’t convince destiny still, i’m sure he knows that fact anyway too
@broddeyy7664 I find it interesting how if we found bacteria on Mars most, including most "prochoice" would believe we found life on Mars.
If a clump of cells is outside the womb, cord cut, swaddled, laying on the birthing persons chest with its fingers wrapped around her pinkey, breathing, is that now considered a baby, a life, a human? Can you kill it? What about the same creature, completely out of the womb but the cord isn't cut, is that a baby, can you kill it, dismember it's parts and throw it away? Same creature is exiting the womb but it's feet are still in. In your minds eye, look in her eyes, is that a baby or can you kill it? Up to it's hips? Just starting to crown? It is the EXACT same baby just seconds or minutes further down the canal, at what point EXACTLY does it become a clump of cells that you personally could dismember and throw away? That same baby born at full term could also have been born a week earlier with zero complications. Is the one born a week early a baby but the one not yet born 5 days later not? When, EXACTLY?
Who gives? Up to the carrier, not the Republicans.
@@broddeyy7664Definitely not the Vegans😂
Sometimes in debates you just need to ask people why they believe certain things and allow them to find the fallacies of their own arguments.
You should see the whole debate, it did not go the way you expect it would go.
If there was a "winner" or at least someone who debated in good faith and never waivered from logical arguments, it was definitely destiny. Not saying you will agree with him at the end but kirsten and lila definitely did not come out on top
@@jorgerodriguera6890 i probably will when I have time. I think destiny is very logical compared to some others from the left side, even if I don't always agree with him.
@@sollybear33 i agree with you 100%. I mean i disagree with Destiny on every single thing ive heard come out of his mouth. But his arguments were not bad here and he definitely made me think
@@jorgerodriguera6890 would say that arbitrarily changing the defintion of "death" mid-debate is not done in "good faith"
@@dboozer4 destiny kept consistent on his line though and i would say interrupting every single time destiny spoke, calling "misogyny" every time even the viewers called you on your bs is definitely not good faith. Also Lila's reply to the robot head scenario was not good faith either
Destiny is a complete joke
Whatever helps me win the debate… well atleast he was being honest
She won the debate the moment he walked in with blue hair lmfao
Not that you care, but he dyed his hair blue for charity
@@DLee84331 You're right, I don't
Bro didn’t watch the debate 😭
@@DLee84331Oh my, he’s so brave and caring. Gimme a break. These fucktards will do anything stupid in the name of charity. How about do something positive for charity, while bringing in money for charity. Instead of sitting on his ass and becoming 1/Smurf for it. Go DO the work to better others. SHOW you care instead of riding the coat tails of others generosity.
@@razacosmicapilledDidn’t need to
Who's harmed?
1. Baby - a new human being denied it's right to be born and live.
2. Mother - both physically and mentally, even if she's not aware of it.
3. Society - losing another member before it could contribute.
"Whatever will win me the debate." Thank you, Destiny, for showing us that you really stand on a hill of sand.
We aren’t supposed to debate evil we’re supposed to destroy it.
We already debate evil and it's not quite as easy as you think it is to destroy evil
you're sounding a lot like the left right now, zoom out and put what you just said into perspective.
The left destroys. We discuss and deal with consequences because we are responsible.
That type of mentality makes you unfit for society. Anyone can perceive anyone as evil from a certain point of view. That gives you the right to “destroy” them? If you can’t debate your point then you don’t have one and you are the “evil” one from my point of view because you’d rather resort to violence rather than public discourse.
Dudes like you are unfit to exist in a liberal democracy.
There's something mentally wrong with destiny
You mean the fact he calls himself that and has blue hair didn't tip you off?
And the two adult women believe in blood magic, talking snakes and magic fruit.....
"Who is being harmed when you abort a 16 week old fetus?" Wow.
My issue has always been that Destiny willfully ignores things, even when he is walked through it step by step.
"Whatever one helps me win the debate" He doesn't care about morals or truth, he just wants to win. Destiny barely has brain activity I swear
It was a terrible thing to say...but his point was that her argument was just on semantics, not on the actual situation... he's saying, I don't care how you want to define death, because the definition of death isn't important, the line in sand you draw of where or not you think death occurs...
She's literally destroying her own argument, she uses words like "kill a child" while also mentioning that the fetus cannot be killed... because it doesn't fit the description she gives for death
@@thugson1166 You are retarded.
To be clear it’s very hard to claim she won the debate when she never really addressed his points. The whole point of this debate was, at what point does a fetus get human rights. Destiny’s answer was around 20-24 weeks when the anatomy that can experience a sense of self is formed and before that it’s just cells that the mother can do what it wants with. Their argument was the moment of conception, the problem is they didn’t follow the supporting analogies well. So they never actually debated the point that matters, generally the women looked stupid mostly due to the heavyset lady. But no one really walked out of this a winner.
so a braindead person that cant experience a sense of self shouldnt have human rights?
Bible is 100% pro abortion. Idk why the religious fruit cakes pretend otherwise 😂
Destiny won, clearly lol
You are an absolute smooth brain. From conception the child is human, ergo it should have human rights. You are for human rights with an asterisk.
Destiny's definition of life is "whatever helps him win the debate" which also conveniently lines up with what allows women to get convenient abortions
The girls clearly won
A 16 week fetus is being harmed.
No matter what, I will never take a grown man with blue hair seriously.
"There would've been a cake if you didn't fuck with it, you cake murderer" -bill burr.
Bill Burr is pro choice 😂
@@Very-old-manbut quite clearly against the practice. Burr, like most Americans, thinks abortion is disgusting and evil, but doesn't want the Federal government mandating what a woman can and can't do with their bodies.
🤣🤣🤣 I loved that rant, so good. Thank you God for Bill Burr
@@Very-old-man but at least he admits it's murder. Unlike the rest of these jackasses.
The person baking the cake can decide they don't want cake, if you throw MY cake out of the oven you have robbed me of the cake I planned to make.
Even Bill Burr says not to use his points in serious debates.
It’s nice to see women actually being against abortion
The most active majority of the pro-life movement are women
We exist
About half of women are actually pro life. Lila Rose has been active in the pro life movement for over a decade. I think she started her organization in college.
Yeah, reminds me of all those kids suffering in the childcare system, how adorable
And most pro-choice men are actually pretenders. This comes from a pro-life atheist.@@juanitadudley4788
Don't debate people with blue hair it's pointless
Trying to argue that killing a baby is okay, be so crazy to me
Never trust a dude who unironically dyes his hair blue
Whatever helps me win the debate = I know I’m wrong and I know you’re right but I’m so desensitized and reprobate that I’ll keep siding with murder no matter what 🤮
It was a joke lol
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lp- jokes can be true 🤷🏻♂️
from this short clip, he agreed with the definition given by Lila, then backed away from his once she poked holes in it, refused to give another and played it off with a joke, and then changed the subject… it shows that he’s only interested in winning the debate, not discovering the truth.
It was literally a joke. Also Lillyalready agreed that destiny's viewpoint was logically consistent. She just disagrees with it. If you watch the actual debate, you would realize the destiny actually has like 95% of all the same beliefs that Lily has. The only difference is he doesn't consider the fetus to have consciousness until 20 weeks while Lily considers the fetus to have consciousness at conception. They're basically having a debate as to. At what point does the fetus have consciousness but other than that they basically agree on everything else.
@@Grimjr7 - are you certain that was Lila’s contention, that single-celled human beings have consciousness? are you sure you’re not confusing consciousness with personhood? is there something you’re leaving out?
@@Grimjr7no she doesn’t. She calls a couple of his stances illogical during the debate.
Should we put him down since he is showing no brain activity ?
Just to have fun. Explain how
Never take advice from full grown adults that want to be a Smurf.
I take pans of raw cake batter out of the oven, set them down on the counter and scream "THIS ISN'T A CAAAAAKKKKKEEEEE!!!!"
"whatever helps me win this debate" is complete sophistry.
Left is all sophistry, not a morsel of substance to their stances
I learned a new word today
anyone would say that when you realize that you can’t argue with miserable people it’s impossible to win an argument against a stupid person
Its also a joke lol
When he said "who is being harmed when killing a 16 week old fetus" that got me! I held my Baby who was born at 15 weeks for 2 1/2 hours before he passed. He was complete and beautifully formed. Just not yet mature and developed enough to live on his own outside of me. But he was most definitely a person. (Before anyone comes at me with "Babies can't breathe at that gestation, babies can't live at that gestation" He only only lived for 2 1/2 hours after birth because his umbilical cord was still attached and his placenta continued to function properly even with him outside of me. He never took at breath. But stayed alive for 2 1/2 from the oxygen he continued to get from my blood. Once that was cut off he passed peacefully. )
The argument isn't that your 15 week old wasn't alive, or that it lacked meaning to you, but that according to the best research we have now your 15 week old had not yet developed a capacity for subjective experience. Even the way you describe his passing as being peaceful once he was cut off from blood and oxygen reinforces this position. I'm genuinely sorry for your loss, this is a pain that I couldn't even imagine going through.
@@JesseDriftwood”according to the best research we have now” which is why arguing for the “capacity of subjective experience” might not be the best way to assign value to a human. A human is valuable not because they can experience and acknowledge experiencing those things, but because they are human and most especially because they are innocent offspring.
@@anastasia-fr1gn I don’t agree. I think we should always follow the best available evidence, wherever it leads.
I believe wholeheartedly that the reason we value human life is because of the capacity for a subjective experience. The sentence “a human is valuable because they are human” is tautological. It tells us nothing.
@@JesseDriftwoodTHE ARGUMENT ABSOLUTELY IS WHETER OR NOT A FETUS IS LIVING. You just admitted that an unborn human is alive and you still want to kill it. This argument for depersonalization of something that we still call human and alive is something that Hitler did to the Jews, and Democrats did to slaves.
@@JesseDriftwoodThat's your opinion. Not "our" definition of what makes human life valuable. We most definitely do not agree on that. Can I ask what is the difference between something that currently has the capacity for experience and something that if left as is, will shortly also fit that criteria? Or what about something that did fit that criteria but now lacks it for a short amount of time? Is that person by your logic able to be permanently removed (killed) from the ability to have any more experience simply because they might not have that capacity in that moment or for a period of time, even if they possess the ability to have personal experience after a time where they didnt have that capability?
When you think Destiny hit rock bottom, he sunk even further
Considering how he loses almost every debate he's in, it’s amazing he continues to debate.
I’m not sure we were watching the same debate. Maybe you only watched 30 sec clips, but these two women did not, in any sense of the word, “win” the debate.
To be fair, Destiny is a pretty good debater
anyone who wastes their time with a man named "Destiny" automatically loses
@@WinterS0lsticeAnd yet, here you are. Wasting your time on a guy named Destiny. Clearly, you lose.
@@Brave805 fair enough. hit
Closed question. Can someone who's right lose a debate? Yes or no?
"Whatever helps me win the debate" Destiny is so morally dishonest, it's disgusting.
So Destiny is willing to lie to win the debate. How honorable.
He’s a liberal. He doesn’t believe in honor.
Omg he was being so fucking sarcastic here and y’all actually think he was being serious 😂. Hilarious.
If you have to resort to sarcasm in a debate, it’s because you are too fucking stupid to defend or rationalize your opinion.
Apparently some people are too fucking stupid to understand that…
Don’t be sarcastic in a serious debate, especially when you’re losing. There’s a time and a place for jokes in a healthy productive discussion over something as pressing as abortion. A proper debate isn’t a time to flex your comedic charm. I’m saying this as advice, it hurts your rhetoric
@@rhett3185 then they shouldnt be acting in bad faith if they don’t want the debate to sour.
@@rhett3185he was mocking them because they were shifting their definitions the entire discourse to suit their narrative because they were acting in absolute bad faith. There was nothing of serious debate about this at that point.
@@rhett3185 Oh don't worry, Lila and Kristen where doing a fine enough job of hurting their own rhetoric. At least Steven got to have some fun.
"Whatever one helps me win the debate" That's the most genuine answer that "Destiny" ( destiny!?!?! ) has ever provided.
Women advocating abortion is bad. Men helping them is worse.
advocating for abortion is advocating for f*ckbois
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. DISMISSED
Nice job missing his entire point about consciousness
@@elonmusk7647are yo conscious when you are sleeping or in a coma ? No, your logic is flawed
@@James_36 No because you were conscious and will become conscious when you wake up. You can't go to sleep in the first place without being awake.
My wife was born at 24 weeks. These people have no idea. Or rather, they don't give a shit. They would have killed my wife.
According to them she was just a “clump of cells”
They don’t give a shit. They’re demons.
@@jakestumm4101 isnt cells alive too. and our understanding is having nerves make us feel pain. doesnt mean we know if something cannot feel pain if its anatomy is different.
That example is quite an eyeopener, at least it should. Cheers !
Actually if you saw the debate the dude said to protect the fetus at 20-24 weeks because that’s when there’s a conscious experience, but if it were to be a law it would be at 20 weeks. So no, your wife wouldn’t have died.
This is where logic beats ideology. Every single time.
Isn't Destiny like a father? From what I see not a good husband nor father.
To "win" a debate against him, just let him speak.
You are too retarded to understand anything you disagree with... 😂😂😂
Did anyone actually see this debate? 😂 Destiny did NOT lose 😭🤣
Ya I saw the whole video he ran circles around them he was so good that I was a pro life now I'm pro choice after hearing his arguments
@@gemonsharma7672you must be joking?!!
The argument that: “Killing babies is okay.” Loses every time. Killing babies is wrong. That’s it.
Ok murderer . Evil ass person. God got a special place for you
@@countchocula5379 yeah uh, duh. The question isn't "is killing babies okay?" It's always been "at what point is a fetus a baby?"
I wouldn't waste my time arguing with anyone with blue hair.
“Whatever helps me win the debate”
I’d cease communication with him at that very moment.
A baby’s heart starts beating at week 5 of pregnancy. What causes a heart to naturally beat without human intervention? It’s the brain, it send electrical signals to the heart to beat. So there has to be some brain function in week 5 of gestation but it’s developed in week 3. Studies actually show that babies in the womb learn. Even before birth, a child's brain is capable of processing and transporting information. Studies told us that a prenatal baby's brain can analyze certain information, including their mother's unique voice and speech patterns, as well as songs and stories repeatedly read to them in-utero.
It is also known that the unborn can suffer trauma in the womb and carry that trauma into their “born” life. How is that possible with brain activity?
@@suzannemartin6817 exactly. Keep in mind that mothers will carry their eggs their entire lives until the egg is either passed or fertilized and when they become pregnant with a female child the eggs are developed in uterus, so a mother will carry her child and the eggs that will eventually become her grandchildren while pregnant. After the holocaust they saw an increase in depression and anxiety in survivors children and even grandchildren. So people who never experienced the holocaust felt the after effects. The term ‘transmission’ of trauma has been used to describe these consequences, defined as thoughts, feelings, and behaviours generated from the survivors’ experiences and transmitted to their offspring. Results show that the offspring of Holocaust victims were more likely to have these altered chemical patterns, even in the absence of trauma, as epigenetic changes occur from the body's expectation that the offspring will endure the same environment as their parent. Honestly looking into this stuff just sends you down a rabbit hole 😂 it’s insane how our cells work and how our conscious mind is perceived.
@@suzannemartin6817 what’s crazy is that even in 1980’’ they believed that you couldn’t feel pain until a year old, they received no anesthesia during surgeries. Now we know that’s completely false. The more we study and our technology advances the more we find out and the bar keeps getting moved, these people are going to seem super foolish whenever a scientist comes out and confirms without a doubt that a fetus can feel pain before 23 weeks.
It starts beating at 4 weeks. Fast and tiny, but it's there on the ultrasound.
...and all of that only begins after a fetus has the capacity for conscious experiences (i.e. after 24 weeks). Nothing you've said here goes against anything Destiny believes
It’s alive and it’s human… debate is over, Destiny lost.
It’s alive and it’s human isn’t the debate. The debate is wether they’re a person which means that the debate is really about what constitutes personhood.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lpa person is the characteristic of being an individual, since it’s a fact that the embryo after the moment of conception has their own unique individual DNA, is in fact human because they have human parents and is a distinct individual that guides their own growing journey. It’s not up for dispute. He or she is a person.
@debanoii8638they didn't. They Are merely commenting solely in the connect of this short
@@nickhancock5584 I was with you until the end.
I agree, that a zygote is an individual human life with a unique set of DNA.
I do not agree that constitutes personhood. I don’t think if we were to look at a Petri dish with a zygote in it and a conscious human being on the other end that both these things are “persons”.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lp whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant to the facts of it. A zygote is microscopic and you wouldn’t be able to see it with the naked eye, but that doesn’t disqualify him/her as a human and therefore a person. Zygote is just the stage of human development after conception.
“Who’s getting hurt when you abort a 16 week old fetus?”
Ummmm
“The fetus?” 🤦♂️
Omg i recognize this kid!! His ex wife showed me a picture of who she was married to when she came over to my place for a 1 night stand! Small world..
If you have ever accompanied a pregnancy until 20-24 weeks you won’t need any definitions to know that there’s a living sentient being inside that belly.
That wasn’t the whole context argument
Lmfao is the pro life version of no uterus no opinion
If it, the fetus/child/whatever you call it hasn't developed the capacity to have a consciousness, then it isn't really a person. A human, yes, but a person, no.
And he argues abortions should only be allowed before 20 weeks. Seems like you two agree????
@@RachelDeeYes it was. That was jist of the entirty of his position throughout the 1-3 hour debate.
Just to be clear, destiny reply was: "you can define "being broke" as someone who lost all the money, but you can be broke also if you don't have any money to start with". There might have been debates where it was more even, but Destiny crushed those two ladies in this debate. End of the story. Cutting ad-hoc part of the video is just a ridiculous way to try to redefine what really happened.
thats an awful analogy lol
@@botdetector9494 why?
@@giuseros85Because of the very discrepancy Destiny noted. Nothing can be dead which was not previously alive, whereas being broke is independent of previous wealth status. Death necessarily requires Life as a prerequisite, so the analogy doesn't hold on the precise point he was trying to make.
For the record I think the ladies did a poor job of defending the pro-life position here, but the analogy is actually pretty bad.
@@keymaker2112 I think you don't follow the analogy. "Being broke" is not "being dead", but it is to "loose the conscious experience". You can be "broke" (no consciousness) either when you are dead (loose all the money) or when you are born (don't have any money). All that he has been trying to argue for 4 hours is that we remove the right to not be killed when there is a "lack of conscious experience" . This "lack of conscious experience" happens at death and before 20 weeks. The fact that you "will be" has no meaning if you are not religious. Before 20 weeks you, as a person, do not exist. So, there is no right that can be applied.
@@giuseros85 Ah, I beg your pardon. Upon a re-watch you are correct, my apologies for wasting your time instead of doing my due diligence. That's what I get for writing a comment after a single cursory listen.
I do disagree with the latter portion of your comment, but it's not pertinent within the context of the analogy provided, so I won't bother.
Thanks for the clarification, and God bless.
Fetal brain activity begins at 5 weeks gestation. So yes at 16 weeks it does have brain activity. How is this guy relevant?
As an adult it is hard to take the words a grown man who dyes his hair blue seriously. The guy is a real muppet