How dark can cyberpunk roleplaying get? (Cy_Borg RPG Review)

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  • @QuestingBeast
    @QuestingBeast  Před rokem +17

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    • @a4play
      @a4play Před rokem

      I created new 40 characters

  • @Franiac32
    @Franiac32 Před rokem +253

    "Things are getting worse and worse, the world may be collapsing, the environment is falling apart, corporations are getting more and more powerful, they're stomping on you and you're trying to fight back, but it may be hopeless." Yes, but what about the roleplaying game you're reviewing?

    • @GoodRogue
      @GoodRogue Před rokem +23

      Ouch.

    • @natesdisturbed8719
      @natesdisturbed8719 Před rokem +6

      @GoodRogue it's a reference to the real world, sort of poking fun at current events compared to what they game describes.

    • @GoodRogue
      @GoodRogue Před rokem +26

      @@natesdisturbed8719 No way! Really?

    • @benhover9604
      @benhover9604 Před 4 měsíci +3

      I laughed at this for way too long

  • @lilcwa
    @lilcwa Před rokem +58

    I heard Free League just acquired The Muppets IP from Disney. That means SMORGAS-BORG: The Swedish Chef Roleplaying Game can’t be far away... 😂 Nice review video. 👍🏽

    • @hjorhrafn
      @hjorhrafn Před rokem +3

      NGL, I'd buy a Muppets game tied into MorkBorg

    • @kalebrosenberg8294
      @kalebrosenberg8294 Před 9 měsíci

      SMORGBORG, a child-friendly low-fantasy ttrpg where you play a member of a blue-skinned patriarchal authoritarian regime, hunted and tormented by a giant wizard and his evil minions. Only to discover that you are a mere fantasy trapped inside the collective memory of a post-industrial human society rendering your whole existence a painful farce.

  • @EndyHawk
    @EndyHawk Před rokem +131

    The real corporate evil was the kickstarter fulfillment process.

    • @aubydauby
      @aubydauby Před rokem +34

      I hate having to deal with the pledge manager stuff you have to do. I didn't realize they don't get your info from Kickstarter. But when I contacted Free League, they fixed everything really quickly. Top notch folks and a killer book

    • @chipthebard
      @chipthebard Před rokem

      zzzzzz...snooooze fest

    • @simmonslucas
      @simmonslucas Před rokem +3

      Right!?
      Why are there always 10 different ways to change your address? I moved while having backed several projects, took me so long to make the change.

  • @eddygreen3631
    @eddygreen3631 Před rokem +16

    As a long time cyberpunk junkie, I think this book is essential. In fact, both Cy_Borg and Augmented Reality works with Cyberpunk 2020/Red perfectly well. And these two resources are really all you need to run nearly endless jobs, adventures, and missions. Great review, Ben, as usual.

    • @hawkeyefigure
      @hawkeyefigure Před 2 měsíci +2

      Thanks I just got augmented reality because of you

    • @GreatGaunt
      @GreatGaunt Před 27 dny

      So are you saying I should get both Augmented Reality as well as the Cyberpunk books? How do the two systems interact with each other (CY_BORG & Cyberpunk)?

  • @reubenmccallum3350
    @reubenmccallum3350 Před rokem +18

    For me, the lack of density is a big plus, especially combined with the striking visual design - I'm more likely to remember where to look in a book when its a discrete rule combined with a visual.

    • @andrewanderson1988
      @andrewanderson1988 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Totally, one of the things that always kept me away from Cyberpunk/Shadowrun was the insane amount of rules.

  • @rubinelli7404
    @rubinelli7404 Před rokem +21

    I have a feeling that the Knave structure would work well in a cyberpunk setting. You are only as good as the chrome and apps you're carrying, after all.

  • @Reuben-
    @Reuben- Před rokem +19

    I got the western on acid rules that you showed a while ago. I don’t play rpg’s any more, but I enjoy collecting and reading the rules and enjoying the quirky layouts, rules, and lore. I’ll be adding this to my list!

  • @Kittenmarines
    @Kittenmarines Před rokem +15

    After two games, I'm thoroughly enjoying running this. Lots of flavor, just enough crunch.

  • @nonya9120
    @nonya9120 Před rokem +21

    Geezer here.....
    Great video, as always. Personally I always loved cyberpunk. Of course back in the 80s I had a 14" mohawk in real life, so no surprise I guess. Yes it is the darkest possible setting ever.
    Gaming on.

    • @MerlinTheCommenter
      @MerlinTheCommenter Před rokem +2

      You may be a geezer but it sounds like you truly aged like fine wine.

  • @MrElliptific
    @MrElliptific Před rokem +105

    I like the genre, enjoy the novels, bought several Cyberpunk rulesets. In the end, I found it too depressing to GM cyberpunk adventures and found playing James Bond like RPGs more uplifting.

    • @Fnorder23
      @Fnorder23 Před rokem +38

      There's a cool Brazilian cyberpunk game you might want to check out, called "Neo Guanabara - Cyberpunk Tropicalia". It emphasises social solidarity and the power of symbolic individuals in resistance to authoritarian and economic opression, shifting the game away from the typical cyberpunk nihilism while maintaining (or even ehancing, in my opinion) the punk ethos.

    • @stevendavis7628
      @stevendavis7628 Před rokem +29

      Bond, Mork Bond?

    • @doublestarships646
      @doublestarships646 Před rokem +1

      I have a friend that loves the spy stuff. I could never get into it. Even with James Bond.

    • @euansmith3699
      @euansmith3699 Před rokem +14

      @@stevendavis7628 The name's Borg, James Borg 😄

    • @aubydauby
      @aubydauby Před rokem +7

      My approach is to make it as metal as possible, balance out the dour tone with over-the-top goofy stuff. But I wouldn't run it all the time, myself.

  • @razorboy251
    @razorboy251 Před rokem +36

    Got my copy a couple of weeks ago. It's really pretty and the combat seems a bit more crunchy than Mork Borg but I've yet to run a game of it.

    • @KyleHoughton
      @KyleHoughton Před rokem +5

      I've played and ran 3 MB games with friends and just ran cy_borg about 2 months ago. The only thing we got a little hung up on was the autofire feature, in true osr fashion I just hand waved it and kept going after the game I realized we did it wrong and was thinking about it too much. Everything is just as simple to understand once you actually read it through.

  • @chasusafa
    @chasusafa Před rokem +4

    "Dual Logans" sound cool. You get to be like a crazier cyber Wolverine

  • @jeremytitus9519
    @jeremytitus9519 Před rokem +9

    11:21
    *How badly do they want their cash back?* (d6)
    1-6: Very.

  • @DUNGEONCRAFT1
    @DUNGEONCRAFT1 Před rokem +3

    Solid. I also want to be a corporate enforcer hell-bent on bring AOL or Myspace back.

  • @RoughneckMendez
    @RoughneckMendez Před rokem +1

    Been hoping you’d cover this one!

  • @cannabussoldier
    @cannabussoldier Před 11 měsíci +1

    The name on the spine glows in the dark

  • @harkejuice
    @harkejuice Před rokem +4

    I just got this in the mail yesterday. I love it! The style just pulls you in and I love showing it off. Thanks for the review QB! Going to grab AR because I hit the cyberpunk bug with this. (The game being on sale over the holidays totally didn't contribute!)

  • @SJ76Gaming
    @SJ76Gaming Před rokem +4

    Looks like rolling dice (players only) and armor reducing damage is a lot like the cypher system. Cool setting!

  • @felix34ever1
    @felix34ever1 Před rokem +3

    The art is just gorgeous

  • @michaelmarines4415
    @michaelmarines4415 Před rokem

    Thanks for the vid and the recommendation on Augmented Reality. I'll be picking that up soon!

  • @timothyyoung691
    @timothyyoung691 Před rokem +8

    with all the drama lately Mork Borg/Cy_Borg will be my prefered system to run

    • @crowgoblin
      @crowgoblin Před rokem +3

      …I also like Orc Borg, great homage to WH40k orks.

    • @crowgoblin
      @crowgoblin Před rokem

      …oh and there’s Pirate Borg too, but I haven’t got that one yet.

    • @crowgoblin
      @crowgoblin Před rokem

      …oh and check Demon Dog, it’s punk Mork Borg.

    • @WittyDroog
      @WittyDroog Před rokem +2

      @@crowgoblin Orc Borg is an absolute delight, so many great tongue in cheek jokes about the orks (my favorite is the physical trait "BIG ARSE", commenting to the mini's having their squat butt-out pose)

  • @jmanclan
    @jmanclan Před rokem +2

    Just bought this rule book two weeks ago, dont know when ill be able to play but it was worth it just to read through it

  • @WittyDroog
    @WittyDroog Před rokem +9

    While it's more crunchy than MB, I feel, it's still a much lighter system to run cyberpunk while still retaining the heavy themes. Don't get me wrong Cyberpunk RED and other rpgs of the genre are great (I like The Sprawl) but for something quick and to the point this fits the bill really well. If your table has played MB it's a delight to change gears to this very easily and my players really like all the winks and nods of story references to MB that have been transplanted into CY Borg.

  • @emarsk77
    @emarsk77 Před rokem +4

    I find funny how these "dark" games can be visually extremely garish and coloured.
    I don't find particularly funny the "we're in a simulation" headline. It's just a big, lame "gotcha!": "Surpriiise players, nothing you did here counts. … So… Wanna play Traveller next?"

    • @lornbaker1083
      @lornbaker1083 Před 11 dny

      I feel the best way to pull that off is at the end of the game. Once the simulation resets, you explain to the players. Your characters awaken in a cold medical room. Removing the headsets from your eyes. Everything has just been a game. You've been playing to help restore your minds when you were in a deep coma from an accident, but as you all wake up and look at the window, you realize the simulation was not. A fake it was just a carbon copy of the reality that you now have to live in.Hopefully you'll retain the skills and memories that you learned during the simulation.Because you're going to need them now.There's no more second chances.

  • @grimmtales503
    @grimmtales503 Před rokem +2

    Ben! You are awesome. Are you going to review all the new games that are rising to challenge the One Big Game owned by Was-Bro? You are the guy who knows what makes or breaks an indy game. Your voice on this will guide us through the smoke, fog and other confusion. If not, that is okay too - it might not be your thing? My thanks for your amazing stuff. I will always be a big fan of Knave. Knave 2 must rise to power! Perhaps call Knave 3 something like... Knave & Knights (K & K?). Ha! I know, i have been typing way too long, i will see myself out.

  • @vesperschake6241
    @vesperschake6241 Před rokem

    Wonderful review as per usual :) keep up the great work

  • @v0dka885
    @v0dka885 Před rokem +5

    Theres a third party source that allows you to add fantasy races with stat bonuses. So if you wanted to run a grim dark shadowrun campaign you can

  • @neilskufis139
    @neilskufis139 Před rokem +3

    I've run this a few times. It's incredible!

  • @ZolYinPodcast
    @ZolYinPodcast Před rokem +10

    Just snagged me a copy with your link. Will be a breath of fresh air away from all this OGL 1.1 debacle.
    Thanks Beast, I've been itching to run a Shadowrun campaign for a while. I'm a big fan of the SNES game.
    Find a new game you like, folks!
    _Fly high!_

  • @borgy1337
    @borgy1337 Před rokem +1

    Love your flip-through reviews and glad you do stuff other than fantasy. Now I want to buy this even though I'm not planning a cyberpunk game! Any chance you can do a review for Cyberpunk RED ?

    • @03dashk64
      @03dashk64 Před rokem +4

      If he doesn’t, check out Seth Skorokowsky. He does a great review

    • @edwardbacchetta9092
      @edwardbacchetta9092 Před rokem +1

      I agree, Seth Skorkowsky or JonJon the wise on CZcams.

  • @xer0vi
    @xer0vi Před měsícem

    Thank for the detailed review. I kept going back and forth on this book but I think I'll get it. I really dont like that Rule Zero and I think I'll just white it out. I hate marking in books but TTRPG game makers really shouldn't tell people what to do.
    Ive watched some people play and GM at least rolls damage if enemies hit. I typically don't like fully player facing mechanics but as long as I get to roll something I'll be pretty happy.

  • @alphawlff
    @alphawlff Před rokem

    I have a big interest in this now. Thank you!

  • @thewyldness
    @thewyldness Před rokem

    Can anyone speak to how applicable it is to other systems? I'm running Mothership but wanted to mine CY_Borg for content.

  • @zombiehaiku7527
    @zombiehaiku7527 Před 7 měsíci

    Just started with Cy_Borg (but bought everything all at once).
    Loving it all so far.

  • @budjy1
    @budjy1 Před 6 měsíci

    I am in the camp of people that really like the book and the layout. Every aspect of a game like this should invoke the setting and I believe if that means style over functionality I am all for that. It's so cool and as a DM from the moment you open that back you're already planning a campaign and a setting from just the page layout alone, that book is successful as a ttrpg guide...

  • @HollowRoll
    @HollowRoll Před rokem

    I'm waiting on my shipment of this+MB from free league. Very excited to give it a go

  • @samcude3060
    @samcude3060 Před rokem +1

    clppng and Death Grips in the song recs? This game has some great taste.

  • @jonnil1997
    @jonnil1997 Před 11 měsíci

    Looks sick, is this game good to run with with minis and terrain or better to do combat and things with theater of the mind?

    • @lornbaker1083
      @lornbaker1083 Před 11 dny

      I mean I tried to make a miniature that looked like it would belong but nothing can really capture that insane style that the art has. Like If it was made by vincent van gogh on a really really bad acid trip

  • @filippooliveri5347
    @filippooliveri5347 Před rokem

    Seems quite interesting. But do I need the original Mork Borg handbook to play this version?

  • @Ike_of_pyke
    @Ike_of_pyke Před rokem +2

    Request: bloat games' "survive this!! " series , namely "Dark Places and Demogorgons " and "We die young "

  • @74gould
    @74gould Před rokem +12

    I love the wacky design work on a visual/creative level, but for an RPG rule book, it’s just too hard to ingest for me to get into it… Really love that cover though. Very eye catching!

    • @kitchensinkmuses4947
      @kitchensinkmuses4947 Před rokem +1

      I suppose that like with Mork Borg, they will release a text only PDF for free

    • @Fnordathoth
      @Fnordathoth Před rokem

      @@twicedeadmage look up Mork Borg bare bones edition.

  • @Guts3570
    @Guts3570 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I really like mork borg, but its honestly kinda disappointing to see how similar the rules are in this. Most of the new rules are just the old rules with a different name for it, and there doesnt seem to even be a lot of new rules in general. Cyberpunk is a much more complicated setting than fantasy, and i think it definitely requires more than this for it to work well. That pointless rule saying you cant play as a cop or a corpo agent also rubbed me the wrong way too. One of the few new rules they added and its only purpose is to try to limit the type of games you can run.

  • @edwardbacchetta9092
    @edwardbacchetta9092 Před měsícem

    Good just for the tables and net rules if nothing else. Currently playing cities without number and using this on the side.

  • @ajpiskel
    @ajpiskel Před rokem +8

    It is absolutely not punk to be a corp or a cop wtf. Being punk isn't about not following the rules like it was some divine mandate, it's about railing against the corrupt system. Which is what the corps and cops are. Not the person writing the rules to a TRPG.

    • @arctomoldiness9312
      @arctomoldiness9312 Před 8 měsíci +5

      Yeah, it's so strange when people misunderstand such a simple and core tenet of the whole genre. Sad that "don't willingly support the system that exploits you" is controversial somehow.

  • @artistpoet5253
    @artistpoet5253 Před rokem

    so, when are you going to make a sci-fi game?

  • @infyranna9004
    @infyranna9004 Před rokem

    I would buy this just to supplement with Shadowrun

  • @AvianEdits
    @AvianEdits Před rokem +1

    This is actually talkin to me since i always wanted to play cyberpunk type RPG but Cyberpunk Red seemed very complicated

    • @zakf9287
      @zakf9287 Před rokem

      I GM’d CyberPunk Red for a while and the issue I had with the system was healing. If you want to put a sense of urgency (time constraint) on the PCs and one of them gets injured, it’s almost impossible for the PCs to complete the mission. RaW unless you have a Combat Medic or a particular drug (which you can only use once a day), you can’t deal with damage in any kind of timely way. My players loved the setting and the city detail but once two of them got badly damaged and realised they needed days to weeks to heal it, we moved on.

    • @AvianEdits
      @AvianEdits Před rokem

      @@zakf9287 yea. this is why i have looked into the free source material of cyberpunk in 5e. it's a 200+ page pdf file with rules, classes, subclasses and enemies. Crazy

  • @joshprice4855
    @joshprice4855 Před 3 měsíci

    You know, I generally have a low interest in OSR games but something about that Borg always gets my attention

  • @radamanthus
    @radamanthus Před rokem +4

    I love Cy_Borg

  • @austinharleson1158
    @austinharleson1158 Před rokem

    Yes! love CyBorg!

  • @Keovar
    @Keovar Před rokem +1

    A problem with the wild graphical layout is that it’s even more inaccessible to the visually-impaired than most text.

  • @simmonslucas
    @simmonslucas Před rokem +3

    GNC, the glass cannon network, is doing an actual play of this in a couple of weeks. This game looks so cool. I love the cover!

  • @Fnorder23
    @Fnorder23 Před rokem +9

    I'm already living on a hopeless, socially isolated, corpo-dominated, dying dystopian planet with each day seeming like a glitchy simulation resetting. Why would I like to play at one? ;) But as always, a clear and helpful overview, much appreciated!

    • @Smittumi
      @Smittumi Před rokem +9

      I have the same feeling. So, when I run cyberpunk I always give the PCs a chance to make a difference (even to a small community) or just get revenge!

    • @eleintblood
      @eleintblood Před rokem

      Exactly my thoughts!

    • @roranru
      @roranru Před rokem +2

      I hope you feel better soon.

    • @wiltonhall
      @wiltonhall Před rokem +2

      My gaming group has an x card hard line against anything involving simulated corporate office cubicle slavery. Too triggering.

    • @ZolYinPodcast
      @ZolYinPodcast Před rokem +4

      @@Smittumi yeah, we install a “hope” clause into every game my group plays. I don’t run games that doesn’t allow my group to feel like they are making a difference. I would end up with 0 players and I would personally lose interest, myself! 😂

  • @meskisable
    @meskisable Před rokem +2

    CY BORG is awesome.

  • @alicepow260
    @alicepow260 Před rokem

    I think the best way to do experience in a cyberpunk setting is one point per Credit of debt paid off.

  • @TheWintersoldier84
    @TheWintersoldier84 Před rokem +3

    Does anyone know if you need any other Borg books to run cyborg? Looks really cool.

    • @culturalrebel
      @culturalrebel Před rokem +5

      Nope, it's all self-contained...although, the *Borg community being what it is, there's been a steady flow of fan content ever since the PDFs went out to KS backers.

    • @TheWintersoldier84
      @TheWintersoldier84 Před rokem

      @@culturalrebel thank you so much. 🤝🏼

  • @kalleendo7577
    @kalleendo7577 Před rokem

    Awesome!

  • @elias5804
    @elias5804 Před rokem

    Me and some buddies played it, we are on our 2nd session.
    We already managed to blow up 2 buildings go 10k deeper in debt then we started off with.
    Half of us died, the other half got arrested. One guy got away but then it turned out our contact fucked us. He cut all ties to us and never payed us. (promised pay was an armored car)

  • @cannabussoldier
    @cannabussoldier Před rokem

    I use death in space with cyborg

  • @HeartofArcana
    @HeartofArcana Před rokem

    Yesss!!!!

  • @hfbdbsijenbd
    @hfbdbsijenbd Před 8 měsíci +4

    You have punk confused with contrariain. There is absolutely nothing punk about being a corporate enforcer.

    • @hungryclone
      @hungryclone Před 7 měsíci +2

      Yeah no kidding. “Punk” is literally fighting oppression.

  • @solomani5959
    @solomani5959 Před rokem

    This stuff is as much art as game.

  • @cannabussoldier
    @cannabussoldier Před 11 měsíci

    This game is dope!

  • @samchafin4623
    @samchafin4623 Před rokem

    Cy-Borg looks really cool, but I definitely would lighten the mood, and not run the setting as-is from the book.

  • @TheSteven00
    @TheSteven00 Před rokem +19

    Besides the horrible misunderstanding of punk at 08:11, great review! Definitely my kinda thing

    • @MerlinTheCommenter
      @MerlinTheCommenter Před rokem +10

      Pretty sure he got that right. It’s not about being contrarian. It’s simply practicing absolute freedom. It’s rejecting what’s being forced on you and deciding for yourself what YOU want to do.
      I’m picking up some major authoritarian apologist vibes from you guys, including the commenter right above me. Hope I’m wrong here and there’s just a major misunderstanding. But at any rate, it’s your life. You are free to think what you like, even if it sounds like NPC language to me 🤷‍♂️

    • @johannohr9693
      @johannohr9693 Před rokem +13

      You can break every rule of the book, we even encourage it. We just don’t _encourage_ that you break this one but you’re free to do whatever you want of course.

    • @TheSteven00
      @TheSteven00 Před rokem +7

      Nah punk isn't about just breaking rules, it's about breaking clearly malicious power structures. You can argue about where punk began, but the common thread between all contenders was not just that they were rebelling -in general- but were rebelling against specific people, parties, and trends. In the UK, punk grew hand-in-hand with the rise of Thatcher's Conservatism. In the US, punk was born under Nixon and found it's place in disillusionment with both neoliberalism and the non-violent attitudes of 60s (white) counterculture.
      Sure, if you look at punk from 50 yards away while speeding by on a train, you might think it's just about rejection of rules, I guess. But when you look closer at the artists that made punk and punk culture, up to and including William Gibson and Neal Stephenson, the politics is specific and anything but subtle. Punk isn't against authority, full stop. It is against the authority that made the world what it is, and how that authority did it.
      ... Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

    • @TheSteven00
      @TheSteven00 Před rokem +6

      If nothing else, punk is not about *simply* practicing absolute freedom. If it were that, then some people would be free to become cops, empowering them and the powers they serve to limit the freedom of others. And I think anyone who had a big brother who listened to the Clash in the next room, listened to more than 2 punk songs, read a work of punk fiction or non-fiction, bought a DIY zine, or even just walked walked by an anarchist soup kitchen knows what punk has to say about that

    • @Franiac32
      @Franiac32 Před rokem +4

      Thank you for saying this! I was frustrated with his misinterpretation of the rule and what it means. Otherwise, solid video!

  • @AyarARJ
    @AyarARJ Před rokem +4

    Unexpected "huh" moment in this vid--my first thought upon you reading Rule #00 was the same reaction. Didn't expect to hear it only seconds later.
    Anyway, thanks for the overview as always. Between you and PDM I feel well served by my subs. I don't like the messy random presentation, but I do like rule books and interesting settings. And dead-tree media. I think I may need to pick this up.

    • @trappleton
      @trappleton Před rokem +2

      I can only guess that was the authors' intent, considering everything else in the book.

    • @ZolYinPodcast
      @ZolYinPodcast Před rokem

      @@trappleton yeah, I think it was just worded terribly 😂

  • @crisoliveira2644
    @crisoliveira2644 Před rokem +3

    8:13 When the punk way of playing the game is playing it not punk at all.

  • @LolaliciousSmiley
    @LolaliciousSmiley Před rokem +4

    The page about Rule 0 seems like it would have gone over better as a form of "Antagonists were designed as simplistic enemies. Keep this in mind if you're taking a different approach." instead of framing it as an unbreakable rule. I want suggestions, but like it says, all the rules are suggestions anyway.

    • @ZolYinPodcast
      @ZolYinPodcast Před rokem

      💯

    • @Franiac32
      @Franiac32 Před rokem +6

      That's not the point of the rule at all, though. There's a very specific reason why Rule 0 exists and I find it odd that QB and a lot of others seem to be missing it.

    • @arctomoldiness9312
      @arctomoldiness9312 Před 8 měsíci +5

      No, the rule is there to, very explicitly and matter-of-factly, explain the point of the entire cyberpunk genre just in case it somehow went over somebody's head in spite of the obvious themes: you are supposed to be rebelling against an unjust system, not upholding it. Otherwise you aren't playing cyberPUNK in the first place.

  • @jestrogames5507
    @jestrogames5507 Před rokem

    @7:75 Well said! I completely agree with you on this point!

  • @JanStrakon
    @JanStrakon Před rokem +8

    The layout has the same vibe as Mörk Borg, which is why I kind of dislike them both now... in opposite to Death in Space, where the layout is also done by Johan Nohr (edit: it's not, sorry), and is much more information packed and much less over-the-top graphicaly, and I love that one. Too bad DiS has really the less hype around it of these three products.

    • @JasonFuhrman
      @JasonFuhrman Před rokem

      Christian Plogfors did the layout and design of Death in Space

    • @JanStrakon
      @JanStrakon Před rokem +1

      @@JasonFuhrman Oh right, my apologies. Johan did some of the ilustrations... well maybe that's why it's so much more readable.

    • @JanStrakon
      @JanStrakon Před rokem

      @@CptBurtReynolds Aye aye, my bad.

    • @WittyDroog
      @WittyDroog Před rokem +3

      It's certainly a stylistic choice but I've loved the artpunk of the BORG series and its many offshoots, it's just fun and while I get people argue it's visually intense I never got an impression that information was that difficult to find or read, which could be simply due to how light the systems are.
      DIS is nice too however the all black pages CAN be a little tricky depending on your device or reading conditions but overall didn't have a problem there. As far as popularity goes I think it has fine buzz it just scratches a different itch as it isn't really so much scifi horror like Mothership but as one person put it "NASApunk" which I think nails the tone well.
      All three are very fun and glad to have them all on my shelf

    • @JasonFuhrman
      @JasonFuhrman Před rokem +1

      @@JanStrakon yeah, Nohr I believe did on illustration on the monsters page. The layout in DiS is one of my favorites. He did a great job by both making it usable, but also full of style.

  • @whitecreamymilk8436
    @whitecreamymilk8436 Před rokem +8

    "Well cyberpunk settings never have people who are with the corps cops etc"
    Literally every cyberpunk piece of media ever: 🤨📸
    These "cyberpunk fans" don't consume any cyberpunk media at all do they?

    • @arctomoldiness9312
      @arctomoldiness9312 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Self-reporting with that last line. Imagine considering yourself a fan of a genre and missing its central theme - fighting exploitative systems at any cost. Plenty of people in cyberpunk settings are "with the corps", but they either don't like it, or they're shitty people. Why? Because they are dehumanized, made assets of the corporations and forced to uphold the same system that abuses them.
      If you genuinely want to play corpo characters who defend corpo interests out of ideological zeal, you aren't even sharing the same dimension as "the point".

    • @whitecreamymilk8436
      @whitecreamymilk8436 Před 8 měsíci

      @@arctomoldiness9312 says I’m self reporting. Says I missed the point. Failed to even respond to what I said. Instead answered a totally different point I didn’t make.
      Gg

    • @arctomoldiness9312
      @arctomoldiness9312 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@whitecreamymilk8436 I might be sleep deprived, but I rewatched the video, and if you're not referencing/critiquing Rule 00 in your original comment, then I have no idea what's the context for the quoted part of your comment or what's the point you're trying to make.
      I apologize if I genuinely misunderstood you.

    • @whitecreamymilk8436
      @whitecreamymilk8436 Před 8 měsíci

      @@arctomoldiness9312 yes I am criticizing rule zero.

    • @arctomoldiness9312
      @arctomoldiness9312 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@whitecreamymilk8436 Good to know. So turns out I didn't misunderstand anything. I'll try to rephrase my original comment with more clarity, albeit with a lot more words.
      Rule 00 says nothing about what characters are or aren't in cyberpunk media. Like you say, there certainly are people who work for the system, willingly or not. But as far as players are concerned, it outlines a crucial point about the genre itself. It plainly states that the suffix "-punk" isn't there just for aesthetics. It asks of the players to, at the very least, despise the system that crushes the spirit of their characters. Even if you must work for the system, you shouldn't enjoy being stripped of your humanity while doing the same to others.
      Keep in mind that the cyberpunk genre as a whole, like most dystopian settings, started as a sort of warning - in this case, that if we don't change the way our societies are structured, blindly hoping that technology will solve all of our problems is a naive mistake. The result is what you've probably heard already - "High tech, low life." Even with technology that borders on magic: implants for every body part, advanced AIs capable of superhuman problem solving, sophisticated gene engineering, etc. All of that and still poverty runs rampant, violence is at an all time high, people are used up and thrown away the second they are unable to perform their assigned tasks, etc. Old mistakes (current capitalist mistakes) repeated and writ large.
      These are objectively bad circumstances to find yourself in. Like most people in any period of history, you're welcome to do whatever it takes to make a living and survive. You can run all sorts of campaigns with all sorts of characters and scenarios. But a squad of corpo agents happily oppressing the downtrodden masses and licking the boots of their corpo overlords just isn't punk, any way you slice it. It goes against the very essence of the setting, of what it means to be a cyberpunk.
      To be clear, the problem isn't that you're "evil", but that you have given up the last remaining dregs of your agency and humanity. In a sense you have reached a certain fail state - instead of dying physically, you have died spiritually/mentally. Making decisions, acting for yourself, telling your story - you can't do these things if you're a barely sentient cog in the machine, eagerly awaiting your next set of orders and barking on command. At that point the campaign ends up just generically dystopian, almost closer to 1984 than cyberpunk (yes, I'm deliberately being somewhat facetious).

  • @tacky4237
    @tacky4237 Před rokem

    >mork borg
    the OSR equivalent of watch dogs legion.

  • @daleandrade8140
    @daleandrade8140 Před rokem +10

    Totally agree on the instructions on how to play the game. Punk is about individual expression, which can include playing members of a corp, the police, or something in between. Ps, check out death in space, it's excellent.

    • @condomsurlatete
      @condomsurlatete Před rokem

      czcams.com/video/BmTZB9nuvpY/video.html he did! I know because I bought it after watching his review

    • @QuestingBeast
      @QuestingBeast  Před rokem +2

      I recently did a review of Death in Space!

    • @WittyDroog
      @WittyDroog Před rokem +13

      @@DaggetSWG My favorite punk song, "Lets Pay The Landlord On Time"

    • @daleandrade8140
      @daleandrade8140 Před rokem +2

      @@QuestingBeast I know, you inspired me to buy it and run it for my group:)

    • @talon12020
      @talon12020 Před rokem +2

      @@DaggetSWG Doing what someone tells you not to do is definitionally "punk." As is saying "F you!" to any definition of "punk."

  • @Mekhami
    @Mekhami Před rokem

    you need a bigger wedding band dude.

  • @ryannilsson7955
    @ryannilsson7955 Před rokem +3

    The overtly anti-capitalism flavor is really off-putting. It’s also a mis-characterization of the capitalist system to say that freedom of commerce, and not government control/interventionism, would lead to a dystopian future. This sort of dystopian future would be more likely from the Marxism the author apparently prefers.

    • @arctomoldiness9312
      @arctomoldiness9312 Před 8 měsíci +4

      You new to cyberpunk?
      Also what kind of bizzaro Marxism we're talking about when corporations acquire power because of it?

    • @ryannilsson7955
      @ryannilsson7955 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@arctomoldiness9312 I don't play cyberpunk. But it's clear that significant financial interests (i.e. Rockefellers, Ford Foundation, etc., etc.) for a long time have been using their vast means to support Marxist aims that will reduce competition for themselves. Government intervention is a great tool for power because it allows for control of the populace and reduction of freedom and choice.
      In capitalism, by contrast, companies are under constant threat of being dethroned from their preferred position because of the spending choices of the populace; if you don't please the consumer, you're going to go out of business; businesses are therefore servants to the consumers. Marxism/collectivist interventions protect them against this threat of annihilation.

  • @DustyLamp
    @DustyLamp Před rokem +9

    It must be disconcerting to be military or a PO in real life, go to a game night with your buds, and find that even the RPG book hates you.

    • @wiltonhall
      @wiltonhall Před rokem +12

      The game doesn't require hating LEOs or military; it requires hating corporate capitalist tyranny. History is full of examples of police and soldiers who rebel against authoritarianism and capitalism, I don't expect the future to be different. (Also very popular tropes in Hollywood and tv: the good honest cop vs corrupt system; the patriot solider against the sellout military industrial bureaucracy...)

  • @Olafmikli
    @Olafmikli Před rokem +2

    The whole capitalist system thing is dumb but whatever you can ignore that too. I do like your mentality on it too.

  • @IVIaskerade
    @IVIaskerade Před rokem +7

    Merk Berg isn't particularly grim or dark, it's just tryhard.

    • @WittyDroog
      @WittyDroog Před rokem +19

      Says the guy with a Guy Fawkes mask

  • @Gnarrkhaz
    @Gnarrkhaz Před rokem +2

    The design seems pretty awful in terms of usability and presentation of information. Also, with so little text in the book, was it really necessary to describe a character's morning routine and other jokes that do nothing to explain how the game is actually played?

    • @DustyLamp
      @DustyLamp Před rokem +11

      I think you may have missed the point of the borg books. They're rules lite, theme heavy.

    • @jacobwolff2377
      @jacobwolff2377 Před rokem +1

      All the rules you actually need are on either interior covers, everything between those two covers except the adventure is there for the presentation of mood and tone moreso than to act as a reference document. It's definitely a different approach, not unlike Super Blood Harvest, but I don't think it's unwelcome.