Oh My GOD!!! Such a detailed review !! This is the real deal in reviews !! I think the only review in India on any car is this!!!! ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS GUYS!!!! And this is coming from a Team-Bhpian :)
Being a passionate user and a Gurkha expert, this one video of urs is enough to understand everything about this car. I used to follow Gurkhas right from the launch and hpy to see that you have mentioned all those strange things i've noticed in this car. With all these welcoming updates, gurkha is still ages behind. Rust prone body, same OM engines, 90's dual ac set up, cheap plastics, poor seating layout (sliding middle row or captain seats wud have been superb), scarce features and tat super heavy weight are still killing it. This is one car you love as much as you hate it. Thanks for this superb video....❤
Well cant say about because a lot of it depends on upkeep and weather condition but all aspects are a deliberate mo e to keep the car and as much niggle free as it possibly could. The engine has been a proven workhorse they have made significant improvements to it enough to make it a lil refine ironing out most of its flaws. Rest things nake sure it does go kaput with too electrical on board. Mind you this car has a functional snorkel and its water wadding capacity is more than anything else available in the market right now. With the car going into such a depth its essential to keeps things raw and minimal so that there can't be any electrical fault or a danger of interior ruining off completely in case water seeps inside the car. Ergonomics are great and its much spacious comfortable car than thar 5 door for sure.
If Force watches this video/review and attempts to address the issues pointed out here, I am sure they are going to bring out a formidable Gurkha in the near future. In fact, the persons behind this review are worth consulting before venturing out to work for improvements. Great review!!
Thanks ! Yes , i hope that Force watches this too. Thats why i ended with the advice page. P.S: The person behind the review is only me. No team. No crew. And hence slow speed of production and upload! 😋
If people didnt buy it in decent numbers it will be a loss to automotive community and reflects how little we indian knows and appreciate good products
Fortuner outsells every other competition for a reason. Fill it Shut it forget it! For its price, the Gurkha is a strong case for SPECIFIC roles. Master of oNe!
nice to see Gurkha improving Best of luck to all Gurkha owners . Love to see offroading community growing and happy with their vehicles. Myself Thar 4x4 owner.
One of the most detailed reviews I have ever seen. What I observed is that you have not repeated the same things again and again like other reviewers, which is a good thing. I appreciate the effort 🎉
The Force Gurkha’s weight is actually a major strength, not a weakness. Its heavy build is key to handling extreme off-road challenges, providing stability and durability where lighter vehicles might struggle. Weight reduction isn’t necessary-it’s what makes the Gurkha stand out as a true off-road beast! For the weight only , I bought it
While I understand your point- perceived ruggedness which is associated with a heavy platform. I must clarify that weight is not equal to strength. Weight is advantageous definitely in some circumstances for Eg towing another vehicle out, gaining some traction on loose surface etc, but it’s a DANGEROUS MYTH that heavier vehicles perform better off road. Inertia is not Stability Mass is not durability. If fitted with the same engine, the lighter car will ALWAYS beat a heavier car off-road. (Unless in special circumstances where weight is advantageous as brought out above) thanks for bringing this out, I’ll cover the weight plus and minus in the video
Yes we definitely need a dedicated underbody review. As mentioned earlier your reviews are the finest and final take on this product. It may be safe to assume that Force engineers are secretly following ur videos.
Absolutely refreshing as usual...take a bow trippachino.... As a marketing professor I wonder why a company does so much to ignore someone who contributes as much as you do...
Thanks prof, ! There's a running joke in auto circles, that If tripaccino had done half of this kind of research/writing for the Thar, M&M would have given me a car! Anyway i do it for myself and the viewers and not for the company. I am passionate about this and gives me joy.
Great video. Half an hour of saturday morning well spent. I had watched many videos but none of them gave such a detailed comparison with the 2021 Gurkha, as you. It would be nice if you could make another detailed video of the mechanical changes as compared to the older version
Thanks for putting out this video, top notch quality as always. Regarding the lambda sensor issue 12:25 which used to throw out an EMS ECU error (yellow light). I faced this issue repeatedly, almost 3-4 times. I used to get the sensor cleaned and the error erased with the diagnostic tool, nevertheless the error used to crop up again. Finally FM flashed the ECU and the problem never occurred again. I did ask what update it was but they refused to divulge much. All they said was it was a "module" update. Coincidently the engine now sounds a bit quieter, lowered rail pressure maybe? The 5D is a major hit. The deliveries in Pune if i am not wrong started somewhere in first week of June. The sole dealership here has sold more than 15 five door Gurkhas and two three door Gurkhas. This for such a vehicle is a feat. And while I am typing this, a 5D just arrived from Pithampur and is being prepped up for delivery. I belong to the "Family man category". I had to eventually buy a preowned Wagon R to ferry my then pregnant wife for her checkups. Prospective buyers, if you have aged parents with knee issues, they must think before buying one. People who frequent malls, please make a note that the Gurkha doesn't fit most of the underground parking owing to its height. With the carrier, its even worst. I have seen cases where people have crashed the carrier in underground parkings, in some cases even hitting the fire pipes. All in all, as you said, buying the Gurkha is a commitment and comes with its own set of riders. Otherwise its an excellent truck.
I've kept the video offline and keep repeating it. Bcz i can not capture these in depth details. And i don't know much about mechanical knowledge & work. From your gurkha modification to now I've learnt somethings. Which helped making decision for new 2024 ❤. I also request you to make another video of under body. It would be a great help 😃.
@@dushyantvadher I m glad I’m of some help. The thing about underbody video is that it would get too technical and I don’t know how many people would find it useful from a consumer perspective. It would be a engineering session on underbody architecture at best.
I remember you putting out a short video around the launch time and then nothing. I wondered if you thought the upgrade didn't warrant a review. I am glad you took your time. The review is quite detailed though some of the technical stuff, though explained so well, went over my head. Excellent work. Of the things Force would need to change/improve in future iterations, is packaging. I still cannot believe that Gurkha having this huge expanse of space inside still manages only be adequate at best. The Center console where the middle passenger sits, needs to be shorted to liberate more space. I remember Phantom Lord's Gurkha where he opened up the whole console, there is enough clearance to make it much shorter. It needs a smaller and a bespoke steering wheel, specific only to the Gurkha. (May be add some basic audio controls to that too?) Force is already working on a 4x2 versions and an automatic (should have been developed and launched along side the 2024 iteration IMO). They have only said they cannot confirm the development of an automatic, not denied it, very clever. It probably will debut with a facelift and not before 2025 😁 The 4x2 though wont price down price by much. The Thar enjoys the benefit mostly due to the Tax break on the 1.5L engine than just ditching the 4x4 hardware. The same on the Gurkha would only warrant a smaller price drop and only on the 3 door variant. The seating I think Force have already homologated different seating layout, 2+2+2 and 2+3+2(jump seats) were also among them. What Force should do is offer seats that can fold into the floor (rather than fold tumble) or provide light removable seats like the c3 aircross. Also the difference in 2021 Gurkha and 2024 Gurkha length is probably due to Pintle hook. I read somewhere that the spare wheel is not considered in overall length of the vehicle, especially for tax purposes, not sure though. On a side note, along with the intricate details shared in terms of facts , figures, graphs, what I also observed in bump in audio quality and narration too. Keep up the good work. Hopefully will see the 2024 version in action on your channel soon :)
Really good review. Owned Gurkha 2017 for 5 years and this exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Please create underbody detailed video with some info on drive belt arrangements for 2024 Gurkha.
With only the strange and uncomfortable camera movements that is bothering/uncomfortable, I find this review and video very detailed and informational. Kudos and thanks 🙌👏👍
Damn! This is the best review I’ve seen thus far, not just for the Gurkha but across all vehicle reviews in India. Excellent narration. Thanks for your efforts!
Superb ,i my whole life i hadn't read such thorough & detailed explanation , even gurhka sales or technical guy might be not knowing all these which you had explained, i really appreciate you from my heart. Iam seeing for auto which gurha may introduce by 2026.
One of the best and detailed video. Gurkha is one of the best pure vehicle in this 4x4 category. I feel like only thing which is holding most of buyers, is little bit of more improvement especially in infotainment system, at least.
I can’t believe, how much homework you have done to make this video. I appreciate your efforts bro. It’s sets you apart from the praising exterior and interior design videos.
Thankyou for the sheer choice of content for the Gurkha future owners. Your comparison details have proved most helpful. I hope the seat is adjustable ... much like that introduced in Force Urbania. I hope Force is listening...... a much needed improved driver cabin with all new design . Atleast 10 to 15 % inspired from the " you know WHO ". Again thankyou for this video.
thanks for this amazing deep down review on the new Gurkha. As a 2022 Gurkha owner, it's great to see some mechanical changes though it still seems Beta V2.0. Buying a new Gurkha is almost like buying a Walnut - you never know how the kernel might come out. At the end the Consumer Buyer Persona is a total giveaway from the Force Brand team it seems but nonetheless it helps.
Also, give a review on how it is on the city roads. Most of the time, it's the city traffic she will tackle. Also some fun comparison with other vehicles on the road. Like u park aside any random suv or cars. Or while driving, showing the height difference with the other road users. Would be fun to watch. Thanks Brother.
@tripaccino Yes cos when I td the current Gurkha, the Tata 407 tempo driver was at my eyebrow level. The endeavor and fortuners roof was...like I am peeking out of the gurkha window to look at their roofs. Most scary is the blind spot just under or outside the front co passenger door. I can't see anything. Any vehicle below fortuner is literally invisible. I was scared for 2 wheelers on the other side. On coming traffic LITERALLY sheets bricks when u come to extreme right to overtake. Its fun but not right, though. Overall, the road presence is MASSIVE to say the least.
Exactly. That power to weight is ok to pull a large load at moderate speeds. For high speed and quick overtakes , weight will show its effect: the entire engine performance graph was explaining this very point.
Thanks for an awesome review, touching upon the points the really passionate ones 'need' and only a Gurkha lover like you would know.. 🙏 This video has definitely pushed some buyers across the line to confirm their booking. Since the cruising speed has increased, won't 6th gear, cruise control be useful additions? Given how good our highways are getting every day.. If yes, please add them to the list.. before Force Motors picks up the list to add in their next ppt.. 😁 I hope FM listens to its customers and bring out a new version by the time I'll have to upgrade my vehicle.. 🤞🤞
If I ever buy a 5-door, I would first remove the middle row seats and modify the floor mounts so that the rear captain seats can be brought to the middle with rails to slide them back and forth. There should also be a bare-bones version without the music system. I will be able to find a better aftermarket entertainment system with Android Auto. I would also change that horrible-looking steering wheel with an aftermarket one that has media control and phone answering options. With this configuration, the Gurkha will be an outstanding overlander.
Hi I think this is the most detailed review I have seen, it's technical , crisp and no nonsense review. It's to the point. Keep up the good work brother Cheers
@@tripaccino I have Narrowed down to options either go with Jimny or Gurkha 5 door , but still confused looking forward for a good off-road one with good torque
@@PrakashKrchintha2007 jimny is on massive discount prior thar ROXX launch. It's light agile petrol . If you don't want to scare others on road with big size, the nimble jimny is a good option.
28:17 that means kerala have wider network comparing its size...the majority of users here falls into that 1% and others in weekends trips...and for me,we are looking a perfect replacement of our previous bolero..the 4wd one.becxause our present 2wd 1.5 bolero is doing chores in offroads but occasionally stuck in mud..so need an upgrade
Finally a well crafted and crystalline words for the Formidable machine. Man, really I had been flabbergasted by your knowledge about this machine. While most of the media are dragging about the usual stuff, yours really outperforms everything. Learned lot of new things, particularly on the gear ratio where I couldn't find it anywhere else. Really I was surprised to find your video in Tamil a year back. Keep rocking brother..🥰🥳
@@tripaccino Glad to hear it..😍...The quality rich contents in Tamil are very scarce. I'm sure you will make an immaculate presence in the zone if you start flourishing. Let's hope it reaches more and spreads vast..!😇
Kya baat he Guruji..what a review!! For other CZcams and Car review channels - watch this review and learn how to make content, you guys are just wasting everyone's time. Thanks for sharing this ultimate review on Gurkha, really got a different prospective now also never seen such an informative review in years. 🙏🙏Guruji
Thanks for the informative review. Great suggestions put across to Force on areas of improvement, keeping the buyer in mind. Rather disappointing to hear that the comfortable cruising speed would be around 100-110 kmph. I was hoping that the 5 door could do a relaxed 120 kmph cruise since I am actively considering buying the same.
110 is my safe threshold. Based on my comfort, driving style and the soft brake setup to stop the 2ton momentum. I don't know what the speed number might be for you. So try it out yourself and dont take my word for it. It could hold 120 easy. But should you?, is the question.
4x2 variant. flexible seating. some ergonomic issues could help sales a lot. but also they need to have a exclusive showroom experience that gurkha deserves.
True. Same has been our reviews conclusion also. Gurkha already runs exclusive showroom. But if you want to have parts availability , then extending coverage to tempo dealers will help the customer
Well done Man. I was waiting for your video for a while after watching your 2021 Gurkha video. You are really a knowledgeable person, What would be the final drive ration with 2024? I hope it is more than previous one, I think it was 20 you explained in your last video and Thar has 17. Please always make such video whenever new Gurkha is launched. I am grateful for your efforts and experience 🙏 Thank you
The ratio has been explained in the video. Are you asking for FDR in 2H ? It will be more than 21 gurkha because of the new gearbox which we had suggested to plonk into this
First, Thank you so much for the answer Sir 🙏. Yes Sir, I wanted to ask final drive ratio for 2WD which you calculated using Axel ratio in 2021 Gurkha video. Indeed you explained 4L in this video. ❤ I have watched every Video of you, really I did not find anyone on CZcams knowledgeable like you. I have learnt lot from you and realized real power of Gurkha. Thank you 🙏 🙏🙏🙏 I feel that thank you is very small word for the kind of knowledge you provided ❤❤❤❤
Sir a comprehensive review as usual...just a question when the Force has shown the Gurkha under 4m for tax savings ...shouldn't that benefit be passed on to those buying the Gurkha as this would certainly make it more desirable in money terms also against the Thar
Exactly why I showed low volume high margin. The company is sadly, okay to sell only 1000 units a year and keep the profits to themselves. There is no motivation to sell more (high volume low margin pattern)
I dont know if I am right but with this configuration the 3 door makes a lot more sense than the five door as the power bump has beennsignificant and better mechanics and on the go 4wd which is a relief now really don't have to pull over on the side and engage the lever to get into diff 4*4 mode. Just missing out on aesthetics but yes this engine is a gas guzzler so fuel economy numbers are not going to be great and thay could be a deal brraker for a lot of buyers
@@tripaccino most of the time you dont because no way this is going to be someone's primary vehicle. It better to trade off on two extra seat with a boot space rather to accomodate camping equipments and a rope
@@sumeetghai8867 yes, but there are also people looking for it as a only car. the customer profile covers all bases . So 3 door suits most of the sectors. Price is also less.
Sir, u r amazing..... U have the best overall review of any vehicle I have ever seen..... Kudos 2 u..... After watching ur review, I had 2 subscribe ur channel 4 d sheer effort n knowledge u have put in..... Keep going 👍
Yes please. Request full underbody review. Question 1 - can we replace the rear bumper? Would prefer to have the spare wheel attached to the rear bumper rather than have it fixed on the rear door. Question 2 - Would it be worth it to increase the tire sidewalls, ensuring there is space available in the wheel well? I would have preferred 16" wheels with more sidewalls rather than 18" wheels with less. Question 3 - Is it possible to replace the middle row bench seat with captain seats and keep the rear area for the luggage?
1. Would add more weight. Inconvenient to open tail gate directly. Not required unless there is a need for a rear winch mount on the bumper. 2. This setup is fine for most uses. 18" gives more options in the market for swap. I run 16" with taller sidewalls for offroad requirements. 3.No. Mounting is on bolt. Not on rails. Would require heavy fabrication work. I would remove all seats for overlanding rig. If only 2 pax are reqd,
Waiting for thar 5door vs 5 door Gorkha make a good thumbnail and please take proper time to make videos but , your opinion for RTO, govt.regulation, camper van recommendations also
Very well described and advice to company. #forceMotors are you listening ? Could be a early 2025 model with all possible fix. The brakes is must probably a all Disc setup. Also the remove the Nippon info system and leave it customer.
As always, this is top quality stuff from you, Vignesh! Wish there were more of your kind of reviews for several other cars out there in the market. Question: you spent considerable time/effort/money modifying your BS6 2021 version, majorly mechanical in nature...how much less/more of it do you think you would have invested if you started off with the 2024 version? in other words, how would you rate the BS6.2 (stock) against your modified one, for your intended use case?
First, I myself wish there was more tech rich content like this which are able to dissect the cars for what they are and not just for speed thrills or drag races and tug of wars. I would love to review other cars as well. In fact, as a passion project, I do test drive new car launches and make my notes. Have never been motivated enough to convert them into proper reviews. primarily because, takers for this kind of content are still niche in our country. Next, Thanks for the interesting question. 1. Tripaccino's INeoS Grenadier video should set the background for this question's answer. In my mind, that 'project' by a billionaire captures the essence of the 'beast of purpose'. Im trying to build out a personal version of that customised to my requirements through strictly custom/ retrofit means. Hence what it lacks in factory integrated finishing, it makes up by being focussed on purpose. 2. My personal favourite Gurkha till date (even post 2024 BS6.2) is the Xtreme 2.2 140 SFA version. However, it was rough around the edges, even by Gurkha standards. Though it had a lighter 2.2 l motor OM611 derived and this fine gearbox, it had practical limitations to its extension as an all day truck.It was brutal and dominated off road, but the present G's would run circles around it On Road- in all day driving. It was truly Xtreme and the wild cousin of the G family - a Tarzan. I had considered actually building out on the Xtreme as a platform, but the reliability record of the 611 vs 616 favours the latter. 3. In the 24' stock 6.2, most 'market' 'complaints' have been addressed. Personally, most of them are not of value for me, except the following:- A. Engine and Turbo. B. Underbody architecture. C. Wishbone geometry. C. Wish bone geometry, I have re-worked with much effort, how the wheels are sprung and my present improved suspension setup on all four ends, would trump a stock 6.2 on and off road. but my version came after much iteration and effort and finger burns. B. Underbody architecture.The present layout is much neater and is more ruggedised because of better integration of few components together. Esp gear box transfer case section. This would have been useful for avoiding small cable cuts and irritating niggles while on the move. Small things like diff cable indicator popping off, while on trail, prop shaft bolts shear etc. These have been addressed better in this one. BUT. the simple breather system which we had for the transfer case and the diffs was easily traceable and helped in quick fixes, the present system is different and i prefer my version. The present architecture is almost Thar like, but heavier components. A. Engine and Turbo. This combo, along with the gearbox is perhaps what I really would be jealous of the new G. Its a good combo. Now I am comfortable , but If I ever find the need for more power, it is possible. But the gearbox would be a limiting link in the mechanical chain. I will have to work around and under this limitation. What I am happy that I didn't wait for the Stock 6.2:- A. The electronic dial for 4x4. The simple mechanicals are why I chose this 2021 as platform. I am not able to fully trust the reliablity and response under wear and tough environments of this shifter dial. Not enough One's were sold to get a track record. The stick shift, though gets stuck often with torque windup, was more straight forward for me. Adblue and SCR. The exhaust systems for BS6.2 is not clearly understood and most manufacturers are scuttling around to plonk a motley assortment of DPF and SCR into their car to clear the 6.2 requirements. Adblue behaviour in altitude and difficult environments because of the associated array of sensors is still not clearly understood by me to know the system well. LNT DPF shortcut my 2021 uses is no saint, and has its fair share of problems but I have stripped it out and figured it out. I understand the environment needs this., but one does miss simpler times of the past. Too many electronics creeping in because of BS6.2 standards requirements and market feedback. I am yet to figure out where is the lowest electrical component which would go bust while water wading. I strongly suspect this level is lower than the 2021 version, because of the architecture of the front end and dash. Electronics are gremlins and can hit you out there on the trail, unless it is backed by reliability and experience of the maker. 5 door, though better overall than the 3 door stock, doesn't appeal to me, as I had strictly short wheel base requirement. Hope that answers your interestin question. Share the channel with your crew.
@@tripaccino Thank you for such a detailed reply! I remember in one of your earlier videos, you had mentioned one of the changes you foresaw was the rotary 4x4 selector, and that's a reality now. In fact pretty much every change you predicted, has come to be. There's already talks of an AT (at least, that's what I read in TBHP), as you mention in the 'advice' section of this video. That has me wishing FM doesn't take all your advice seriously and come up with a 4x2 version with 'soft bits,' and dilute the 'essence' of the G. If MS can claim the Jimny isn't about volumes and deny there ever being a 4x2 version, FM should too. If they need volumes, perhaps export? Heard that a company in Europe is working on an EV with the G as the base. There's too many hatchbacks-on-steroids masquerading as 'SUVs' out there to satiate reviewers and buyers who need their soft bits, auto-everything and sunroofs for their drives to the malls and about. Don't think the G belongs with that crowd. What would be the point of a felt-wrapped sledgehammer?! 🙂 (pardon my rant)
Trust me trust me when I say that I I am the principal advocate of the Gurkha staying true to its hard core fundamentals and never Ever offer a 4 x 2 variant and hence diluting its stature, and taking away the air of exclusivity that the few and fearless GURKHA owners enjoy. This was always my personal opinion and fundamental belief and even today if you meet me over a beer, that is the idea I would echo . Through this channel of tripPacino, however, I have a responsibility to analyse the situation, dispassionately and state what is ‘right’, regardless of my personal like and benefits associated with it. Here are some facts the 4x2 Mahindra Thar outsells all other variants put together and is a primary reason for the Thar going consistent 5000+ numbers every month. The 4x2 Fortuner outsells the 4 x 4 and legender put together. Every second car sold in India is a Maruti Suzuki and they can afford to make statements like this as Jimny is just a niche aspirational project they run on sidelines and can hold their breath longer underwater with this. Force motors sells one car . That’s the gurkha. I have been profusely, appreciating them ever since the launch of the first model of the Gurkha for having the conviction to offer a niche product as there only offering in the Pv segment. It is truly a blessing for many many function seekers Like myself and I have written about it and high detail in my team BHP review. My passion is clearly on showcase for the idea of what the Gurka stands for. Look at my analysis of the buyer demographic in this video and see if everyone needs a 4x4 in that pie 🥧. Back to reality. the Gurkha Gurka is selling less than hundred units a month. Do you think it makes financial sense for the 50 odd dealers around the country who have been hosting exclusiveGurkha dealerships that is simply built to sell only this one car - out of their invested capital . Do you think with the present sales numbers all of these details dealers will sustain in the long run if the already spares dealer network shrinks further it reduces the touch points for customers like you and die and we will have to wait for parts availability longer and trained mechanics in quality dealerships will be reduced to far and few in between. If the dealerships dwindle, I also fear how long the company can sustain making of a vehicle, which so few pick up and drive. Therefore, staring at what seems to be an existential crisis for our beloved gurkha. (Just like this channel with few takers ) Exports are already on and the applications are very niche and made to order in most cases … I have accounted for that also in my comprehensive analysis Introduction of a 4 x 2 model makes the entry point more accessible and we will get to see more examples on the road. We can sit on an ivory tower and claim that we are purists but the market dictates makers -and big, scary-Looking 4x2 is clearly what India wants. More vehicles on road. Slightly better volumes will keep the company and the dealerships Happy and ease out The logistic challenges associated in servicing parts and maintenance of just thousand cars in this big country. So when I made the suggestion to go for 4x2 trust me that I have kept a huge boulder on my heart shifted to 4 x 4 Lo climbed over the bolder and then made the suggestion . The 4 x2 just like Thanos , is inevitable. And confusing a 4 x 2 gurkha with a cute Ute and Hatches on stilts will be gross underestimation of what this bad boy with a Final drive ratio of more than 21 can do with a stock set of AT tires😸 hand to my heart , frankly that’s all what most of us need even on trails. If you are going further wild, and require the raw capability of 4x4, then you could always pick up the original G 4x4 which will continue to be on sale. , (thanks only to the 4x2 buyers who would have helped to keep it alive ) ///Forget the hatchbacks - those soft wood mallets, A felt wrapped HANDLE on this forged iron head , means more people (men, women ,young and old) will lift and swing the Sledgehammer. And the true joy of smashing the wall down , is when we all swing together! Yours Aye, Tripaccino
@@tripaccino You know the Gurkha/FM more than I can ever do, and gladly defer to your assessment. Whatever direction this goes in, I hope, the product continues to be owned/driven/tinkered with primarily by a community of gentlemen (offroaders, or otherwise), such as yourself. I'd like to believe, the G has been and become - the product, the aura - much due to this community's efforts. Oh, and to increase the channel's sub count, I hope you'd not start making drag race videos! But, I trust, if you ever did, that would be more akin a scientific thesis, and infinitely more enjoyable than found elsewhere 😀Thank you for all that you do!
@@tripaccino Yeah, that thing's is like a house, they should get in touch with some freelance metallurgy startups working in the space domain, good for PR also, and they help a startup with their capital rather than doing it in-house
I test drove the the 3 door last week. I'm 5 feet and noted a bunch of issues when it came to the seat not being movable, my sight clearance or rather lack there of over the steering wheel, I am absolutely unable to open the bonnet on my own and its not the weight my arm cannot extend the bonnet out fully to hook into place. I thought it was a short person problem but glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this. There were also a few other things like how much of a struggle it is to clip in the seat belt with the arm rest down and one must move it up to clip in. I also didnt like the fact that the the rear seats dont make a flat bed. Even the placement of the gear is an issue for me personally and if i get it I'll have to extend the shaft. Plus I was only able to drive it in the city in heavy traffic. Wonder if you know a showroom in North India where one can actually take it out for a proper test drive?
You may want to check out my mods video, where I have lengthened the shaft . Noida showroom seems to have some proper test drive? Else Pune helps a lot
Oh My GOD!!! Such a detailed review !! This is the real deal in reviews !! I think the only review in India on any car is this!!!! ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS GUYS!!!! And this is coming from a Team-Bhpian :)
Thanks 🙏 Do recommend it on team bhp forum as well !
Being a passionate user and a Gurkha expert, this one video of urs is enough to understand everything about this car. I used to follow Gurkhas right from the launch and hpy to see that you have mentioned all those strange things i've noticed in this car.
With all these welcoming updates, gurkha is still ages behind. Rust prone body, same OM engines, 90's dual ac set up, cheap plastics, poor seating layout (sliding middle row or captain seats wud have been superb), scarce features and tat super heavy weight are still killing it.
This is one car you love as much as you hate it.
Thanks for this superb video....❤
@@jyothikarnavar welcome
Well cant say about because a lot of it depends on upkeep and weather condition but all aspects are a deliberate mo e to keep the car and as much niggle free as it possibly could.
The engine has been a proven workhorse they have made significant improvements to it enough to make it a lil refine ironing out most of its flaws.
Rest things nake sure it does go kaput with too electrical on board. Mind you this car has a functional snorkel and its water wadding capacity is more than anything else available in the market right now.
With the car going into such a depth its essential to keeps things raw and minimal so that there can't be any electrical fault or a danger of interior ruining off completely in case water seeps inside the car.
Ergonomics are great and its much spacious comfortable car than thar 5 door for sure.
The most detailed and one who knows particular vehicle indepth. Thank you🥰
Wow, thank you!
If Force watches this video/review and attempts to address the issues pointed out here, I am sure they are going to bring out a formidable Gurkha in the near future. In fact, the persons behind this review are worth consulting before venturing out to work for improvements. Great review!!
Thanks ! Yes , i hope that Force watches this too. Thats why i ended with the advice page.
P.S: The person behind the review is only me. No team. No crew. And hence slow speed of production and upload! 😋
I could probably write a thesis about gurkha based on this video alone. Everything you need to know about gurkha is right here
ha ha thanks bro!
I want more reviews like this! This is what you call a proper review of an off-road truck/SUV.
thanks a lot anutosh. share the joy with others and subscribe!
If people didnt buy it in decent numbers it will be a loss to automotive community and reflects how little we indian knows and appreciate good products
and hence my recommendations to Force in the last part of the video
TRUE!! The only review one need to watch. As usual, top notch review. Great!!!
Great
Fantastic comparison.
You make me convinced that the new Gurkha is a superior product for the money.
-Fortuner 4wd owner.
Fortuner outsells every other competition for a reason. Fill it Shut it forget it! For its price, the Gurkha is a strong case for SPECIFIC roles. Master of oNe!
nice to see Gurkha improving Best of luck to all Gurkha owners . Love to see offroading community growing and happy with their vehicles. Myself Thar 4x4 owner.
Thanks a ton
One of the most detailed reviews I have ever seen. What I observed is that you have not repeated the same things again and again like other reviewers, which is a good thing.
I appreciate the effort 🎉
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As compared to other cars in the category, how is the wheel articulation now?
Is it even better than the 2021 model?
@@karanmane4735 Wheel articulation is still not at par with Thar.
The Force Gurkha’s weight is actually a major strength, not a weakness. Its heavy build is key to handling extreme off-road challenges, providing stability and durability where lighter vehicles might struggle. Weight reduction isn’t necessary-it’s what makes the Gurkha stand out as a true off-road beast! For the weight only , I bought it
While I understand your point- perceived ruggedness which is associated with a heavy platform. I must clarify that weight is not equal to strength.
Weight is advantageous definitely in some circumstances for Eg towing another vehicle out, gaining some traction on loose surface etc, but it’s a DANGEROUS MYTH that heavier vehicles perform better off road.
Inertia is not Stability
Mass is not durability.
If fitted with the same engine, the lighter car will ALWAYS beat a heavier car off-road. (Unless in special circumstances where weight is advantageous as brought out above)
thanks for bringing this out, I’ll cover the weight plus and minus in the video
Yes we definitely need a dedicated underbody review. As mentioned earlier your reviews are the finest and final take on this product.
It may be safe to assume that Force engineers are secretly following ur videos.
I think so too! Especially after all our predictions got plugged into the G'24
Hear hear!!
Absolutely refreshing as usual...take a bow trippachino....
As a marketing professor I wonder why a company does so much to ignore someone who contributes as much as you do...
Thanks prof, !
There's a running joke in auto circles, that If tripaccino had done half of this kind of research/writing for the Thar, M&M would have given me a car!
Anyway i do it for myself and the viewers and not for the company. I am passionate about this and gives me joy.
Great video.
Half an hour of saturday morning well spent.
I had watched many videos but none of them gave such a detailed comparison with the 2021 Gurkha, as you. It would be nice if you could make another detailed video of the mechanical changes as compared to the older version
Glad you are enjoying content. Like share and subscribe !
Force should make you part of their team.
Thanks😀
Thanks for putting out this video, top notch quality as always. Regarding the lambda sensor issue 12:25 which used to throw out an EMS ECU error (yellow light). I faced this issue repeatedly, almost 3-4 times. I used to get the sensor cleaned and the error erased with the diagnostic tool, nevertheless the error used to crop up again. Finally FM flashed the ECU and the problem never occurred again. I did ask what update it was but they refused to divulge much. All they said was it was a "module" update. Coincidently the engine now sounds a bit quieter, lowered rail pressure maybe?
The 5D is a major hit. The deliveries in Pune if i am not wrong started somewhere in first week of June. The sole dealership here has sold more than 15 five door Gurkhas and two three door Gurkhas. This for such a vehicle is a feat. And while I am typing this, a 5D just arrived from Pithampur and is being prepped up for delivery.
I belong to the "Family man category". I had to eventually buy a preowned Wagon R to ferry my then pregnant wife for her checkups. Prospective buyers, if you have aged parents with knee issues, they must think before buying one. People who frequent malls, please make a note that the Gurkha doesn't fit most of the underground parking owing to its height. With the carrier, its even worst. I have seen cases where people have crashed the carrier in underground parkings, in some cases even hitting the fire pipes.
All in all, as you said, buying the Gurkha is a commitment and comes with its own set of riders. Otherwise its an excellent truck.
true that
Thank you very much for an unbiased, undeterred, crystal clear evaluation review. Ill think twice before spending my money
I've kept the video offline and keep repeating it. Bcz i can not capture these in depth details. And i don't know much about mechanical knowledge & work. From your gurkha modification to now I've learnt somethings. Which helped making decision for new 2024 ❤.
I also request you to make another video of under body. It would be a great help 😃.
@@dushyantvadher I m glad I’m of some help.
The thing about underbody video is that it would get too technical and I don’t know how many people would find it useful from a consumer perspective. It would be a engineering session on underbody architecture at best.
I remember you putting out a short video around the launch time and then nothing. I wondered if you thought the upgrade didn't warrant a review. I am glad you took your time. The review is quite detailed though some of the technical stuff, though explained so well, went over my head. Excellent work. Of the things Force would need to change/improve in future iterations, is packaging. I still cannot believe that Gurkha having this huge expanse of space inside still manages only be adequate at best. The Center console where the middle passenger sits, needs to be shorted to liberate more space. I remember Phantom Lord's Gurkha where he opened up the whole console, there is enough clearance to make it much shorter. It needs a smaller and a bespoke steering wheel, specific only to the Gurkha. (May be add some basic audio controls to that too?)
Force is already working on a 4x2 versions and an automatic (should have been developed and launched along side the 2024 iteration IMO). They have only said they cannot confirm the development of an automatic, not denied it, very clever. It probably will debut with a facelift and not before 2025 😁
The 4x2 though wont price down price by much. The Thar enjoys the benefit mostly due to the Tax break on the 1.5L engine than just ditching the 4x4 hardware. The same on the Gurkha would only warrant a smaller price drop and only on the 3 door variant.
The seating I think Force have already homologated different seating layout, 2+2+2 and 2+3+2(jump seats) were also among them. What Force should do is offer seats that can fold into the floor (rather than fold tumble) or provide light removable seats like the c3 aircross.
Also the difference in 2021 Gurkha and 2024 Gurkha length is probably due to Pintle hook. I read somewhere that the spare wheel is not considered in overall length of the vehicle, especially for tax purposes, not sure though.
On a side note, along with the intricate details shared in terms of facts , figures, graphs, what I also observed in bump in audio quality and narration too. Keep up the good work. Hopefully will see the 2024 version in action on your channel soon :)
Thanks for the appreciation and the info about the pintle hook. I learnt something.
Really good review.
Owned Gurkha 2017 for 5 years and this exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks
Please create underbody detailed video with some info on drive belt arrangements for 2024 Gurkha.
We will try
With only the strange and uncomfortable camera movements that is bothering/uncomfortable, I find this review and video very detailed and informational.
Kudos and thanks 🙌👏👍
Sorry about that
Damn! This is the best review I’ve seen thus far, not just for the Gurkha but across all vehicle reviews in India. Excellent narration. Thanks for your efforts!
Far too kind
The best review of Gurkha till date. Finest and Relaxed and solved my doubts at once. Others are just driving the car. 😂
Glad you liked it . You must share it far and wide 😀
Was waiting for your complete review sir......thanks for upload
My pleasure
Superb ,i my whole life i hadn't read such thorough & detailed explanation , even gurhka sales or technical guy might be not knowing all these which you had explained, i really appreciate you from my heart. Iam seeing for auto which gurha may introduce by 2026.
@@chandrahassalian3288 thanks lot. For kind words. Please share the channel😎
One of the best and detailed video. Gurkha is one of the best pure vehicle in this 4x4 category. I feel like only thing which is holding most of buyers, is little bit of more improvement especially in infotainment system, at least.
Thanks a lot!
Am impressed with the so neutral and factual narration. Thank you and Kudos. Review went straight into heart.
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@@tripaccino certainly... There are plenty of feature focused reviews. But rare to get the tech tabulated ones.
I can’t believe, how much homework you have done to make this video. I appreciate your efforts bro. It’s sets you apart from the praising exterior and interior design videos.
Yes I hope more people see the value in well researched content . 😊
you will find all videos in this channel are thoroughly researched and aimed at simplifying car mechanicals.
Thankyou for the sheer choice of content for the Gurkha future owners. Your comparison details have proved most helpful. I hope the seat is adjustable ... much like that introduced in Force Urbania. I hope Force is listening...... a much needed improved driver cabin with all new design . Atleast 10 to 15 % inspired from the " you know WHO ". Again thankyou for this video.
So nice of you. Please share the video and spread the channel. We need more traction to keep putting out encouraged content
thanks for this amazing deep down review on the new Gurkha. As a 2022 Gurkha owner, it's great to see some mechanical changes though it still seems Beta V2.0. Buying a new Gurkha is almost like buying a Walnut - you never know how the kernel might come out. At the end the Consumer Buyer Persona is a total giveaway from the Force Brand team it seems but nonetheless it helps.
Glad you enjoyed it! I don’t think force brand team has this kind of insights. They would have done much better if they had 😊
The tow hook comes standard along with the spare tyre... installed at the dealership.(I am that 10 % guy).
Thanks! for the info.
Also, give a review on how it is on the city roads. Most of the time, it's the city traffic she will tackle.
Also some fun comparison with other vehicles on the road. Like u park aside any random suv or cars. Or while driving, showing the height difference with the other road users.
Would be fun to watch.
Thanks Brother.
Good points. Will do ,
I have Shown in the video next to Jimny
@tripaccino Yes cos when I td the current Gurkha, the Tata 407 tempo driver was at my eyebrow level.
The endeavor and fortuners roof was...like I am peeking out of the gurkha window to look at their roofs.
Most scary is the blind spot just under or outside the front co passenger door. I can't see anything. Any vehicle below fortuner is literally invisible. I was scared for 2 wheelers on the other side.
On coming traffic LITERALLY sheets bricks when u come to extreme right to overtake. Its fun but not right, though.
Overall, the road presence is MASSIVE to say the least.
That power to weight don't matter cause that same engine and gearbox are used to carry 26 people and their luggage in hilly areas so don't worry guys.
Exactly. That power to weight is ok to pull a large load at moderate speeds. For high speed and quick overtakes , weight will show its effect: the entire engine performance graph was explaining this very point.
Last week I got my 5 door red bull delivered...the toe hook is standard offering....they fix it after RTO passing...FYI
What a video!!! Big fan of you, sir! Looking forward to having such meaningful conversations in real life over roadtrips!
THanks brother.
Thanks for an awesome review, touching upon the points the really passionate ones 'need' and only a Gurkha lover like you would know.. 🙏
This video has definitely pushed some buyers across the line to confirm their booking.
Since the cruising speed has increased, won't 6th gear, cruise control be useful additions? Given how good our highways are getting every day..
If yes, please add them to the list.. before Force Motors picks up the list to add in their next ppt.. 😁
I hope FM listens to its customers and bring out a new version by the time I'll have to upgrade my vehicle.. 🤞🤞
I still have my reservations in recommending this truck to family buyers because of the issues I highlight. For specific roles, it’s well suited
If I ever buy a 5-door, I would first remove the middle row seats and modify the floor mounts so that the rear captain seats can be brought to the middle with rails to slide them back and forth. There should also be a bare-bones version without the music system. I will be able to find a better aftermarket entertainment system with Android Auto. I would also change that horrible-looking steering wheel with an aftermarket one that has media control and phone answering options. With this configuration, the Gurkha will be an outstanding overlander.
True
Hi
I think this is the most detailed review I have seen, it's technical , crisp and no nonsense review. It's to the point. Keep up the good work brother
Cheers
Glad it was helpful! Do us a favour, You share it with one other friend pls !
And from a buyer segment you can also add a combination of family man, farm use and only fan category....
Truely very informative and amazing review ,best part is the way u explained the mechanics abt this vehicle.
Glad you liked it .spread the word. Share the video
I don't usually comment on videos, but I need to appreciate the effort that you made for this video. Congrats !!
I appreciate that! Please share the video with others!
First time hearing a detailed review of the vehicle. I know you're have done wonderful research before posting such videos. Keep up the good work.
@@PrakashKrchintha2007 share the joy
@@tripaccino I have Narrowed down to options either go with Jimny or Gurkha 5 door , but still confused looking forward for a good off-road one with good torque
@@PrakashKrchintha2007 jimny is on massive discount prior thar ROXX launch.
It's light agile petrol . If you don't want to scare others on road with big size, the nimble jimny is a good option.
28:17 that means kerala have wider network comparing its size...the majority of users here falls into that 1% and others in weekends trips...and for me,we are looking a perfect replacement of our previous bolero..the 4wd one.becxause our present 2wd 1.5 bolero is doing chores in offroads but occasionally stuck in mud..so need an upgrade
Finally a well crafted and crystalline words for the Formidable machine. Man, really I had been flabbergasted by your knowledge about this machine. While most of the media are dragging about the usual stuff, yours really outperforms everything. Learned lot of new things, particularly on the gear ratio where I couldn't find it anywhere else. Really I was surprised to find your video in Tamil a year back. Keep rocking brother..🥰🥳
Thanks. I hope more people appreciate quality tech rich content like you do.
I would love to do in Tamil also if there are more takers.
@@tripaccino Glad to hear it..😍...The quality rich contents in Tamil are very scarce. I'm sure you will make an immaculate presence in the zone if you start flourishing. Let's hope it reaches more and spreads vast..!😇
Kya baat he Guruji..what a review!! For other CZcams and Car review channels - watch this review and learn how to make content, you guys are just wasting everyone's time.
Thanks for sharing this ultimate review on Gurkha, really got a different prospective now also never seen such an informative review in years.
🙏🙏Guruji
Thanks for your kind wishes. Spread the word. So that we can also grab as much traction 😺
Not that I will ever buy this … but what a great review and review style. So different …. Absolute quality!
Please 🙏 share with the world
Thanks for the informative review. Great suggestions put across to Force on areas of improvement, keeping the buyer in mind.
Rather disappointing to hear that the comfortable cruising speed would be around 100-110 kmph. I was hoping that the 5 door could do a relaxed 120 kmph cruise since I am actively considering buying the same.
110 is my safe threshold. Based on my comfort, driving style and the soft brake setup to stop the 2ton momentum. I don't know what the speed number might be for you. So try it out yourself and dont take my word for it. It could hold 120 easy. But should you?, is the question.
4x2 variant. flexible seating. some ergonomic issues could help sales a lot. but also they need to have a exclusive showroom experience that gurkha deserves.
True. Same has been our reviews conclusion also.
Gurkha already runs exclusive showroom. But if you want to have parts availability , then extending coverage to tempo dealers will help the customer
This is a technical review, most need of the time. Good one
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Well done Man. I was waiting for your video for a while after watching your 2021 Gurkha video. You are really a knowledgeable person, What would be the final drive ration with 2024? I hope it is more than previous one, I think it was 20 you explained in your last video and Thar has 17. Please always make such video whenever new Gurkha is launched. I am grateful for your efforts and experience 🙏 Thank you
The ratio has been explained in the video. Are you asking for FDR in 2H ? It will be more than 21 gurkha because of the new gearbox which we had suggested to plonk into this
First, Thank you so much for the answer Sir 🙏. Yes Sir, I wanted to ask final drive ratio for 2WD which you calculated using Axel ratio in 2021 Gurkha video. Indeed you explained 4L in this video. ❤ I have watched every Video of you, really I did not find anyone on CZcams knowledgeable like you. I have learnt lot from you and realized real power of Gurkha. Thank you 🙏 🙏🙏🙏 I feel that thank you is very small word for the kind of knowledge you provided ❤❤❤❤
Best review ever found on Gurkha2024❤
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The only Gurkha review I was waiting for....Thank you tripaccino for the efforts.
So nice of you
Sir a comprehensive review as usual...just a question when the Force has shown the Gurkha under 4m for tax savings ...shouldn't that benefit be passed on to those buying the Gurkha as this would certainly make it more desirable in money terms also against the Thar
Exactly why I showed low volume high margin. The company is sadly, okay to sell only 1000 units a year and keep the profits to themselves. There is no motivation to sell more (high volume low margin pattern)
Greedy baniya company what do you expect
As the title suggest , this is the only review that you need to watch ! Kudos to the team
I am the team ☺️
This makes our current gurkha completely obsolete!
You will appreciate the lack of electronic gremlins in your car soon ☺️
@@tripaccino May I ask for your email address please? I couldn’t find your domain name to write to. Thanks
I dont know if I am right but with this configuration the 3 door makes a lot more sense than the five door as the power bump has beennsignificant and better mechanics and on the go 4wd which is a relief now really don't have to pull over on the side and engage the lever to get into diff 4*4 mode. Just missing out on aesthetics but yes this engine is a gas guzzler so fuel economy numbers are not going to be great and thay could be a deal brraker for a lot of buyers
3 door is more sensible if you don't need the seats.
@@tripaccino most of the time you dont because no way this is going to be someone's primary vehicle.
It better to trade off on two extra seat with a boot space rather to accomodate camping equipments and a rope
@@sumeetghai8867 yes, but there are also people looking for it as a only car. the customer profile covers all bases . So 3 door suits most of the sectors. Price is also less.
First timer . Really appreciate your detailed Review.
Thanks for watching: watch the other videos and share the joy with others
What a review😍
Share the joy brother
One of the videos that is true to its title. I liked this video and appreciate what you have done here.
Thanks for watching
Literally the best gurkha review ever
Thanks
absolutely amazing video with such detail technical specs. i have subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!
Very informative, please make more videos like these on current and upcoming vehicles 🙏🏽
Will try
Sir, u r amazing..... U have the best overall review of any vehicle I have ever seen..... Kudos 2 u..... After watching ur review, I had 2 subscribe ur channel 4 d sheer effort n knowledge u have put in..... Keep going 👍
@@avra1976 thanks ., I hope more people find value . Share the joy with your friends
I have booked 5D, will be getting it in September 24. Is it possible to replace steering wheel of Gurkha with that of some other car?
Finally, a true video on Gurkha. A Wikipedia experience.
Thanks. Wait ended.
Wikipedia ? 😝 We are a micro-niche channel with wafer thin visibility.
@@tripaccino Wikipedia level knowledge on the product I meant.
Excellent video as always!!! ❤🎉
-Thar owner 😊
Heartfelt. Thank you!
-Thar admirer.
awsome video. u have given us the content that's was in uncharted territory before. Pls keep bringing us more
Hope we find more people who appreciate content like this like yourself. Like Subscribe and Share! The joy!
Advice to FM is improve breaking as well
That has been sufficiently covered in our review as negative 👍
Loved every bit of it
glad you enjoyed!
Thank you so much for this... 😊Best details analysis.
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment.
They provide the 5 ton hook at the back when you purchase the vehicle.
thats good. shouldnt be omitted.
Yes please. Request full underbody review.
Question 1 - can we replace the rear bumper? Would prefer to have the spare wheel attached to the rear bumper rather than have it fixed on the rear door.
Question 2 - Would it be worth it to increase the tire sidewalls, ensuring there is space available in the wheel well? I would have preferred 16" wheels with more sidewalls rather than 18" wheels with less.
Question 3 - Is it possible to replace the middle row bench seat with captain seats and keep the rear area for the luggage?
1. Would add more weight. Inconvenient to open tail gate directly. Not required unless there is a need for a rear winch mount on the bumper.
2. This setup is fine for most uses. 18" gives more options in the market for swap. I run 16" with taller sidewalls for offroad requirements.
3.No. Mounting is on bolt. Not on rails. Would require heavy fabrication work. I would remove all seats for overlanding rig. If only 2 pax are reqd,
Waiting for thar 5door vs 5 door Gorkha make a good thumbnail and please take proper time to make videos but , your opinion for RTO, govt.regulation, camper van recommendations also
Best review video I have seen so far on Gurkha 5 door..
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Very nicely shot and articulated ! I am a one car “family man “ still sitting on the fence
♏️ recommended (decode this !)
Very well described and advice to company. #forceMotors are you listening ?
Could be a early 2025 model with all possible fix. The brakes is must probably a all Disc setup.
Also the remove the Nippon info system and leave it customer.
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Excellent review and what an encyclopaedia off knowledge .thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Also as per some people 4*2 would only be for Govt
I was waiting for Gurkha but was disappointed by the lack of braking. It is unsafe to an extent. Waiting for brake upgrade to book.
Yes soft brakes as . We have pointed out
Content is awesome.. has so much technical and well explained... 👏 👏 👏.. learnt a lot about Gurka...
Thanks a lot 😊
Please share with friends
Just subscribed...amazing review!!
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Hatsoff bro u covered all areas.. It's called real car review
Thanks
Hello tripaccino, just want to ask you- any update on the lift kit for the force gurkha from Dr.Nano?
Testing finals now. Few more weeks for the boom 💥
@@tripaccino cool👍👍👍
Detailed vedio with lots of information s
Please share it with friends. More engagement encourages the channel to bring you more content
Mentally they are to take that leap from Traveler to Gurkha.
True. Van mentality of the largest van maker of the country needs to grow out
As always, this is top quality stuff from you, Vignesh! Wish there were more of your kind of reviews for several other cars out there in the market.
Question: you spent considerable time/effort/money modifying your BS6 2021 version, majorly mechanical in nature...how much less/more of it do you think you would have invested if you started off with the 2024 version? in other words, how would you rate the BS6.2 (stock) against your modified one, for your intended use case?
First, I myself wish there was more tech rich content like this which are able to dissect the cars for what they are and not just for speed thrills or drag races and tug of wars. I would love to review other cars as well. In fact, as a passion project, I do test drive new car launches and make my notes. Have never been motivated enough to convert them into proper reviews. primarily because, takers for this kind of content are still niche in our country.
Next, Thanks for the interesting question.
1. Tripaccino's INeoS Grenadier video should set the background for this question's answer. In my mind, that 'project' by a billionaire captures the essence of the 'beast of purpose'. Im trying to build out a personal version of that customised to my requirements through strictly custom/ retrofit means. Hence what it lacks in factory integrated finishing, it makes up by being focussed on purpose.
2. My personal favourite Gurkha till date (even post 2024 BS6.2) is the Xtreme 2.2 140 SFA version. However, it was rough around the edges, even by Gurkha standards. Though it had a lighter 2.2 l motor OM611 derived and this fine gearbox, it had practical limitations to its extension as an all day truck.It was brutal and dominated off road, but the present G's would run circles around it On Road- in all day driving. It was truly Xtreme and the wild cousin of the G family - a Tarzan. I had considered actually building out on the Xtreme as a platform, but the reliability record of the 611 vs 616 favours the latter.
3. In the 24' stock 6.2, most 'market' 'complaints' have been addressed. Personally, most of them are not of value for me, except the following:-
A. Engine and Turbo.
B. Underbody architecture.
C. Wishbone geometry.
C. Wish bone geometry, I have re-worked with much effort, how the wheels are sprung and my present improved suspension setup on all four ends, would trump a stock 6.2 on and off road. but my version came after much iteration and effort and finger burns.
B. Underbody architecture.The present layout is much neater and is more ruggedised because of better integration of few components together. Esp gear box transfer case section. This would have been useful for avoiding small cable cuts and irritating niggles while on the move. Small things like diff cable indicator popping off, while on trail, prop shaft bolts shear etc. These have been addressed better in this one. BUT. the simple breather system which we had for the transfer case and the diffs was easily traceable and helped in quick fixes, the present system is different and i prefer my version. The present architecture is almost Thar like, but heavier components.
A. Engine and Turbo. This combo, along with the gearbox is perhaps what I really would be jealous of the new G. Its a good combo. Now I am comfortable , but If I ever find the need for more power, it is possible. But the gearbox would be a limiting link in the mechanical chain. I will have to work around and under this limitation.
What I am happy that I didn't wait for the Stock 6.2:-
A. The electronic dial for 4x4. The simple mechanicals are why I chose this 2021 as platform. I am not able to fully trust the reliablity and response under wear and tough environments of this shifter dial. Not enough One's were sold to get a track record. The stick shift, though gets stuck often with torque windup, was more straight forward for me.
Adblue and SCR. The exhaust systems for BS6.2 is not clearly understood and most manufacturers are scuttling around to plonk a motley assortment of DPF and SCR into their car to clear the 6.2 requirements. Adblue behaviour in altitude and difficult environments because of the associated array of sensors is still not clearly understood by me to know the system well. LNT DPF shortcut my 2021 uses is no saint, and has its fair share of problems but I have stripped it out and figured it out. I understand the environment needs this., but one does miss simpler times of the past.
Too many electronics creeping in because of BS6.2 standards requirements and market feedback. I am yet to figure out where is the lowest electrical component which would go bust while water wading. I strongly suspect this level is lower than the 2021 version, because of the architecture of the front end and dash. Electronics are gremlins and can hit you out there on the trail, unless it is backed by reliability and experience of the maker.
5 door, though better overall than the 3 door stock, doesn't appeal to me, as I had strictly short wheel base requirement.
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@@tripaccino Thank you for such a detailed reply!
I remember in one of your earlier videos, you had mentioned one of the changes you foresaw was the rotary 4x4 selector, and that's a reality now. In fact pretty much every change you predicted, has come to be. There's already talks of an AT (at least, that's what I read in TBHP), as you mention in the 'advice' section of this video.
That has me wishing FM doesn't take all your advice seriously and come up with a 4x2 version with 'soft bits,' and dilute the 'essence' of the G. If MS can claim the Jimny isn't about volumes and deny there ever being a 4x2 version, FM should too. If they need volumes, perhaps export? Heard that a company in Europe is working on an EV with the G as the base.
There's too many hatchbacks-on-steroids masquerading as 'SUVs' out there to satiate reviewers and buyers who need their soft bits, auto-everything and sunroofs for their drives to the malls and about. Don't think the G belongs with that crowd. What would be the point of a felt-wrapped sledgehammer?! 🙂 (pardon my rant)
Trust me trust me when I say that I I am the principal advocate of the Gurkha staying true to its hard core fundamentals and never Ever offer a 4 x 2 variant and hence diluting its stature, and taking away the air of exclusivity that the few and fearless GURKHA owners enjoy. This was always my personal opinion and fundamental belief and even today if you meet me over a beer, that is the idea I would echo .
Through this channel of tripPacino, however, I have a responsibility to analyse the situation, dispassionately and state what is ‘right’, regardless of my personal like and benefits associated with it. Here are some facts
the 4x2 Mahindra Thar outsells all other variants put together and is a primary reason for the Thar going consistent 5000+ numbers every month.
The 4x2 Fortuner outsells the 4 x 4 and legender put together.
Every second car sold in India is a Maruti Suzuki and they can afford to make statements like this as Jimny is just a niche aspirational project they run on sidelines and can hold their breath longer underwater with this.
Force motors sells one car . That’s the gurkha. I have been profusely, appreciating them ever since the launch of the first model of the Gurkha for having the conviction to offer a niche product as there only offering in the Pv segment. It is truly a blessing for many many function seekers Like myself and I have written about it and high detail in my team BHP review. My passion is clearly on showcase for the idea of what the Gurka stands for.
Look at my analysis of the buyer demographic in this video and see if everyone needs a 4x4 in that pie 🥧.
Back to reality. the Gurkha Gurka is selling less than hundred units a month. Do you think it makes financial sense for the 50 odd dealers around the country who have been hosting exclusiveGurkha dealerships that is simply built to sell only this one car - out of their invested capital . Do you think with the present sales numbers all of these details dealers will sustain in the long run if the already spares dealer network shrinks further it reduces the touch points for customers like you and die and we will have to wait for parts availability longer and trained mechanics in quality dealerships will be reduced to far and few in between. If the dealerships dwindle, I also fear how long the company can sustain making of a vehicle, which so few pick up and drive. Therefore, staring at what seems to be an existential crisis for our beloved gurkha. (Just like this channel with few takers ) Exports are already on and the applications are very niche and made to order in most cases … I have accounted for that also in my comprehensive analysis
Introduction of a 4 x 2 model makes the entry point more accessible and we will get to see more examples on the road. We can sit on an ivory tower and claim that we are purists but the market dictates makers -and big, scary-Looking 4x2 is clearly what India wants. More vehicles on road. Slightly better volumes will keep the company and the dealerships Happy and ease out The logistic challenges associated in servicing parts and maintenance of just thousand cars in this big country.
So when I made the suggestion to go for 4x2 trust me that I have kept a huge boulder on my heart shifted to 4 x 4 Lo climbed over the bolder and then made the suggestion .
The 4 x2 just like Thanos , is inevitable.
And confusing a 4 x 2 gurkha with a cute Ute and Hatches on stilts will be gross underestimation of what this bad boy with a Final drive ratio of more than 21 can do with a stock set of AT tires😸 hand to my heart , frankly that’s all what most of us need even on trails.
If you are going further wild, and require the raw capability of 4x4, then you could always pick up the original G 4x4 which will continue to be on sale. , (thanks only to the 4x2 buyers who would have helped to keep it alive )
///Forget the hatchbacks - those soft wood mallets, A felt wrapped HANDLE on this forged iron head , means more people (men, women ,young and old) will lift and swing the Sledgehammer. And the true joy of smashing the wall down , is when we all swing together!
Yours Aye,
Tripaccino
@@tripaccino You know the Gurkha/FM more than I can ever do, and gladly defer to your assessment. Whatever direction this goes in, I hope, the product continues to be owned/driven/tinkered with primarily by a community of gentlemen (offroaders, or otherwise), such as yourself. I'd like to believe, the G has been and become - the product, the aura - much due to this community's efforts. Oh, and to increase the channel's sub count, I hope you'd not start making drag race videos! But, I trust, if you ever did, that would be more akin a scientific thesis, and infinitely more enjoyable than found elsewhere 😀Thank you for all that you do!
Another suggestion for Force: Cut down weight by at least 400 keys. P.S: Great Review
Start by swapping the 0m616 out
@@tripaccino Yeah, that thing's is like a house, they should get in touch with some freelance metallurgy startups working in the space domain, good for PR also, and they help a startup with their capital rather than doing it in-house
@@AbhijeetSingh-em7eo Space materials for Force is a bit stretch., no.
@@tripaccino You're right, they'll never do it
I test drove the the 3 door last week. I'm 5 feet and noted a bunch of issues when it came to the seat not being movable, my sight clearance or rather lack there of over the steering wheel, I am absolutely unable to open the bonnet on my own and its not the weight my arm cannot extend the bonnet out fully to hook into place. I thought it was a short person problem but glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this.
There were also a few other things like how much of a struggle it is to clip in the seat belt with the arm rest down and one must move it up to clip in. I also didnt like the fact that the the rear seats dont make a flat bed. Even the placement of the gear is an issue for me personally and if i get it I'll have to extend the shaft.
Plus I was only able to drive it in the city in heavy traffic. Wonder if you know a showroom in North India where one can actually take it out for a proper test drive?
Glad my review echoed your realistic experience. That’s the mark of a genuine review.
You may want to check out my mods video, where I have lengthened the shaft .
Noida showroom seems to have some proper test drive? Else Pune helps a lot
brilliant review!!! very knowledgeable. subscribed and shared
Welcome aboard!
Any lift kits available for 2024 5 door model yet in the market?
@@ROYSTERNFernandes do you need one. The GC is adequate imho. Front lower arms are sorted.
Excellent in depth knowledge and review. Must be a corporate automobile Person 😄
Wish
The tow hook is part of the kit that comes with the vehicle
Ok thanks 🙏
@@mayursud thats good that it's being fitted at dealer level (after RTO clearance as sub 4m vehicle 👍🏼)
Super ji and thank for your effort 🎉🎉
Thanks ji
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Great review and thank you! :)
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Does it have gear indicator?
Thanks a ton Sir !
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So nice of you
The Best & Genuine review about Gurkha. Great Work Bro👍
Thanks a ton
I.agree this is the only reveiw one needs to watch ...awesome.❤
thanks and share it ahead