Do 'Kpop Concepts' Even Make Sense? (Reaction)
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“RM saw a leaf fall and wrote south Korea’s second anthem” oh she ate with that line👏🏻
I feel sad for the people in kpop who have things to say, music they want to make, but they can't because they are not allowed, because their companies are too busy chasing the next popular cash grabbing concept. It's not that good music doesn't come out of that as well, but I can't imagine it's fun to always be pushed around like a puppet without a say in the artistic process.
I think you can't even connect with your fav idols properly when they don't produce/write their songs. Like artist are artist when they can express themself with different form as music, painting or dancing. But if they don't put themself into it it's somehow....empty?
i don't mind if the artist doesn't always write their own songs if what they are singing eg the topic of the song has meaning for them something they can relate to want to talk about but can't write it. That they choose that song as it expressed what they wanted to say. I don't mind if they only give their ideas and ask someone else to write those idea's into the lyrics. I started that way then added some lyrics, then wrote my own. I composed my first piece of music to a old poem that really spoke to me. So I understand artist growth and freedom to choice, try and have idea's. I feel so bad for those who aren't really involved at all in music but just have to do what they are told.
BTS likes Zach a lot because he always asks in dept questions about their work and he's always well-informed (he makes his homework and does some research before the interview). I believe Zach was one of the very few that RM chose to get interviewed by as part of his promotion for his Indigo album...
That why in the BTS fandom we have explanation videos and a website(doolset))so non-Korean/speaks can understand BTS songs more and the meaning behind them especially when their songs have Korean references because their music do have really meaning.
Some people in this comment section missed the point of the video completely!! I guess it really does go back to the saying "the mind sees what it chooses to see" 😮💨
29:17 SPILLED! They follow everything else about bts but not the first thing that made bts bts??? Like????
I literally saw a video called "most popular kpop group concepts in 5th gen" and it says "hip hop, rock and love yourself" as one of the concepts. Hiphop and rock?? Whole genre??
Zach is one of the best people who interviewed BTS and I think he was so used to talking to BTS and having very interesting conversations with them that he thought it would be the same with other groups. When he realized that many of them were not able to explain their concept, talk about the production, lyrics, etc. he just gave up... It's a shame for the bands who are really involved in their songs but I understand the reasons behind Zach's choice.
I love BTS for so many reasons and I love their music for so many reasons too. They manage to give me different emotions, to make me cry, to smile, to give me chills, etc. The lyrics are always more meaningful in general than many people think, that's why I'm wary of reaction videos about BTS. I've seen many people disrespect BTS by either laughing at their look, or at the visuals of their MV, saying it's a bit "cringe", etc. But in no way they'll go further and look for a real meaning in their lyrics, nor to understand the MV like for IDOL for example.
ooff the bp interview gave me second hand embarrassment 😭
I know what you mean I kind of felt sorry for them.
@@eileencritchley4630 yeah its very obvious they don't care for the music they do. hopefully now that they're outta yg they can do what they want
@@jamuntaeWhat u mean by that??
Those girls are dumb, not the company...😅😂😂.
They dintbahve passion for music or making music. Those girls are there to make money .
Have u seen Jennie now, she literally spending money n collabing with each n every brands possibly. Coz she wants just to have face all over... What a shit.
All these etime, she constantly into brands shooting, promotion.
Now she got her company, she will going to give credits to herself, but just think, if she is into so much brand campaign, when she can work on music.?? 😅😂😂
Shes looking so cheap with all brands, 😅😂.
An expensive artists, get expensive brands n expensive deals, not lie each n every thing n ever my time, shows how she puts her money make brands to Collab.
I looove long albums, just putting on an entire long album and not having to worry about what will I change it to after like 20 minutes
If every song on an album is good, I have 0 issues listening through a long album. If I don't like some or several song then I can't really listen to the album in full. But if it's all good, I would happily listen to an hour long album straight through on loop all day lol.
This!! Luckily (without exaggeration) I love majority of entire bts albums and solo albums!
TXT's concept started from their beginning througout their song writing, videos, etc. BigHit is committed to the concept of 5 boys chasing their dream of a better tomorrow.
Yesss this is why bts n txt are my ults!
I was looking forward to this! Her video is so on point.
That's what I like about Bang PDnmin and BigHit. They gave BTS the freedom to create their own music. Unlike other labels wherein they control almost, if not all, the things their artists do. That's why BTS songs are so authentic and good because their songs came from their heart and mind and soul. 💜💜💜
I feel like people have been bringing up iterations of this idea for some time now but the common response I see from many kpop fans is basically "Shut tf up and stop trying to ruin kpop". The fans seem to enjoy things exactly as it is. They either genuinely don't want things to progress or they don't have faith that their group can/will evolve enough to accomplish that so they're pretending not to want it to save face. The potential is definitely there to see improvement and to have more balance. BTS for example have a lot of fun bops along with the deeper stuff. It's not that anyone has to sacrifice one for the other.
The common concensus is that Bang PD, BTS and ARMY are all working together to destroy kpop at they know it. So stans of other groups act like they need to protect the "genre"/industry from our influence whenever we discuss things that could be improved upon. To insinuate that any group's discography is anything less than perfect is an attack on them. So I think videos like Boracity's is great for ARMY to reflect on things and spark discourse amongst ourselves on the media landscape that we and BTS are operating within, but it's not for us to expect or want more from the industry/community.
They seem to enjoy a certain level of status quo so we should respect that and not try to push for them to do anything different. We would do well to mind our business and let people do what they like.
Great boracity video. I think a good take away from this is let the artists be involved in their music, it doesn't have to mean writing it yourself not everyone is good at that but being able to choose songs for the album or have some type of input is the best way to have the singers connect with their own work. I feel very bad for those idols that want to be more hands on and want to feel a connection to their own work but are stunted by the companies control. It can lead to singers becoming dissatisfied with their careers and have far more of a chase of burnout.
This is why I love enhypens concept. Because they have both the actual concept and the kpop concept. Like their lyrics literally talk about fate, destiny and their connection through blood while also talking about how they love us like they include some real life messages along with their concepts in such a way that it makes so much sense. And well they literally have vampire outfits for almost all performances and those settings too! Their storyline is also connected to the webtoon so it makes sense.
Oh that's interesting I didn't know about Enhypens music thank you for interesting comment.
15:36 I just realized Taehyung is reading Haikyuu😂
I think the only consistent concepts kpop albums made since the older generations would be the "winter/summer" comebacks. the whole albums centered around the things you experience throughout the season. A love song about watching the snowflakes fall, feeling lonely during Christmas, and celebrating the holidays together. Same with the summer album. There's the fun summer party song, the sad "our last summer together", or the "I fell in love with you in the summer of 2005".
Although I don’t listen to other K-pop groups like that she’s right at least give idols in these groups a chance to create what they want. BTS have a say in everything related to their music & concepts & that maybe why they are that group now. Even if you others claim they don’t like BTS (just haters 😀or have preconceived notion) they are global in the world for a reason 🙃🙃
Like Seb mentioned, Ateez definitely have the "concept" and the "kpop concept" from the very beginning until now. If you touch the surface of their overall "kpop concept", they're dimension-travelling pirates - as crazy as that sounds. They will continue to develop their music following the lore or worldbuilding but ultimately this part of Ateez is the "kpop concept" per se. Now the actual concepts of their album series and the meanings behind them.
Ateez's very first - the Treasure series has a concept of "aspiration", seeking for what you want and reaching for your goals. Very obvious from the album series name, they are embarking on a journey to find treasure. Hence the music from this era is very grand-like or theatrical, and in the kpop concept aspect they're pirates. You can notice their lyrics in the intro of the series "It doesn’t matter what you dream for. What is your treasure?" and to the very last outro in the epilogue album "Did you find your dream? Did you find your treasure?"
Fever series is sentimental and more relatable, the concept surrounds "youth and its struggles" of what a teenager would go through, including Ateez's own personal experiences whether it's parents disagreeing with your dreams, to the small details of struggling to move out of your own home. It also touches on topics like following your own morals and watching your manners which you learn growing up. The kpop concept side goes into the "school concept" but it ultimately connects to youth. In the lore, this timeline happens before Treasure series.
The World series, which was brought up, has the concept of "empowerment" and "individuality", like rebellion and finding freedom. The kpop concept is dystopia; a small group of people battling against the government that bans any form of art, music or dance, taking place in a dystopian universe from the lore. Seb's reaction to the first The World album briefly explains the flow of their battle with the order of the tracks. In the last album of the series, they party it out since they won and found freedom, but still have conflicts of "With all the effort we put in to get here, can we really return to the serene moments back then?".
The new album series Golden Hour I believe the concept is "reality" or "various facets of life", reminiscing back the happy memories we had in our life but it leaves you thinking as we have these moments, if our hearts will be left emptier. Having a reflection on the past, drinking our current worries away, or going to work as a part of our ordinary lives.
Among their comebacks they have many different "kpop concepts". The lore aspect ties the entire discography together, which is really nice. Though if you notice, even the messages behind them all connect together in a timeline.
29:14 exactly 😂 they’re doing everything but the most important part!😅
I really did like the video but I can think of at least one group that had a social message album concept before BTS. B.A.P also did it too before them. But it's not when and who..it's the fact that both groups were brave enough and socially conscious enough to pull it off beautifully.
It depends on how much I like an artist as to whether I will listen to a complete album. Like I love BTS so if they released a 30 song album I would listen to the whole album. But there are so many artists I just casually listen to where I don't listen to the albums, I just listen to the main singles that are played on the radio. I was definitely more inclined to listen to full albums before the streaming era where if you wanted to hear an artist's songs you had to buy the album.
One thing I really dislike about the original video is that clips of Stray Kids keep getting put whwn the video is talking about other kpop groups not having a concept and that makes 0 sense to me. They're one of the only kpop groups who have one or more members as a lead producer and writer on every single song. All of their albums have a general theme or a message and they have lore that goes in with those messages.
Another thing is some of the videos listed under not having a concept or a meaning DO actually have one.
miss when songs were over 3, even 4 minutes. now they are barely over 2 minutes
in a world of tiktok aiming songs namjoon the only one who had balls to drop a 6 min song
The companies/labels want to see instant success. Giving your group freedom to show and evolve their musicality means possibly starting off with not so great music or music that might not resonate with the general public. Companies don’t want to give their groups time to grow and evolve because they want to see their ROI asap.
Let’s be real…I personally think RMs new RPWP album was a masterpiece. But it’s not a sound that the general public likes. But you see musicians praise it highly. If RM was a new artist that put out this album….it wouldn’t get the streams it got. From a company/label standpoint, they would very likely lose money on it. So why would they allow their artist to create an album like that? Why not create a 2 min catchy song that’s TikTok ready and push it to go viral instead? That will bring in more listeners and streams and that just becomes a vicious cycle.
That blackpink interview is hard to watch. Aren’t they aware of the questions they’ll be asked? I know that happens a lot but maybe not in that case.
bro why all of yall saying the same shit like are yall bots?
@@beraty.6899
Seems we found a blink (bot).
You can't even "defend" them here.
They are not prepared for an Interview with someone who knows something about music and is geniunly interested.
But to be fair in Korea they would not be asked that and even in the US something like that is rare.
@@ruthfischer7615 i dont need to 'defend' them + that interview was like 5-6 years ago you cant compare it to now
@@beraty.6899
This was an example only.
But going back to what you said:
They should be able to identify more now with their music - but I'm not so sure that that is true for their BP music.
I think they will be more in controll now with their solo careers since they own that now completly
I assume that will mean also more identification with their music, too.
What I still don't know is how involved they were with their music after this interview - especially with their solo albums under their debut label.
Whatever. It is actually unimportant (also unimportant for the video essay).
Because with this experience they were probably never underprepered to get for these questions again.
I cringed so hard. Even if they didn't produce the song. Just interpret the meaning of the song for you.
Another great video from boracity
Very interesting !
this is why i love enhypen and they are my favourite group
I listen to albums from beginning to end
Same as do I no matter how long it is I might pause it and listen to the rest later eg the next day but I'll listen to the whole thing and pick out some for a mixed play list.
12:54 i would argue that the group B.A.P did this, but wasn't really recognized either.
Yes and they were so good, I cant stand what their company did to them 😒
@@itslakishana
I still remember Jongup of B.A.P. saying something like:
"we don't just sell albums, we're selling dreams here."
It really resonated with me at the time.
you're new..? they were pretty big once and were even overworked for that reason I know because I started stanning 3rd gen boy groups at the time bts and bap were often praised but bap were bigger for a small window of time. like 2014 bap vs bts was very interesting to follow. the lawsuit against TS entertainment put a harsh break on their careers and while they were in a huge hiatus bts were in their most important era hyyh who brought a lot of new fans to them.
@@senu.
yes, i am aware of that.
I wasn't saying that they weren't popular!
What i'm pointing out is, that they weren't necessarily "popular"/ "recognized", for pushing a similar message as BTS was.
(Atleast not outside their fandom)
And definitly *not* recognized and copied the same amount as BTS is now.
My argument is that their message wasn't necessarily the forefront of their popularity, when it *definitly* could have been.
(Another reason why their disbandment was so frustrating. It felt like their story was being cut short.)
I also got into kpop in early 2012!
So i was stanning them during their peak of popularity aswell. :)
@@jacoblovesbacon5073 they're releasing a documentary soon right? hopefully they might comeback afterwards I would be very curious to see what they would sound like nowadays. but most importantly what are their thoughts about...well everything that has happened since their hiatus
@11:00 i like how kpop has some freedom to change the music generes and visuals and still have the core type mensage.
G idle : and the theme of womanhood X Society idealization while they themselfs are aspirational idol in the beauty sense, fame, popularity and riches.
Still sound truefull, because drawns from comoun experiences, in opposite of my perception of "Jenny from the Block " one of the most famous and rich celebs of the world at that moment trying to get "streets credit" while for me a non american she was always an avatar off all us celeb culture.
for the concept of "loving yourself" I immediately think of 2ne1 with their album "I am the best" with songs such as I am the best or ugly or lonely and other
3:13 i don't think it's spotify or record labels, i mean sure they run it but they just go after the money. Sadly, not many people have an explorative ear or passion for music nowadays. Most people don't understand music beyond the words being said. Add to that the decreasing attention span and poor literature understanding in general and you get a generation worth of people where the majority will listen to anything till the time it's marketed and fed right. You've got Top 10 songs that the listeners wouldn't recognize the 2nd para of because it's so tiktok led. Less and less people understand music, the concept or the poetry of it and so there's lesser albums.
2:55 don’t get Spotify. It’s more expensive than AM but the quality of the sound is lesser than AM and they paid Artist less than AM… and also AM has a years end wrapped list as well..
Enhypen got the best concept in my opinion😅
FR
Yes, definitely by far.
They're vampires, right?
@@Miel6 yes, and they base everything off their webtoon. Everything is connected. Super cool.
So you mean "k-pop concept" not the actual concept?😅
if I were to give an example of my fav’s concepts, this it is; (G)I-DLE - female empowerment
APPLE MUSIC GANG
When you have a full video on concepts that are well made with lots of efforts from the artists, but don’t talk about VIXX…..
wow this girl always find a way to shit on blackpink huh
She used them as an *example* of most KPop artists not being able to identify with what they put out because they have no *control* over what they put out. That is not Blackpink's fault, it's YG's, and the fact that you somehow twist that into "shitting on Blackpink" shows that you don't actually give a fuck about those girls because if you DID, you would be on YG's ass about constantly humiliating them.
how did she shit on them?
@@prince_chavv02 she is doing it in every video its not new bro who you foolin? always saying lies about them, slandering them, mentioning them every fuckin video. enough is enough
That group is doing her job 😂 proving it right
Shitting on blackpink would be something like just throwing straight up hatred towards them yet boracity didn’t, she used them as an example of artists not knowing what their music is even about. Boracity has used other groups and individuals in her videos to give the audience a better understanding of what she is trying to say. Boracity is in no way hating on them and has made that clear many times
Absolutely fantastic!
That is my OPINION!!!!!!!
Beyonce ????
Country Music ??????
I don't think soo !!!!!!!