THE HUNGER GAMES: THE BALLAD OF SONGBIRDS AND SNAKES REACTION!! | First Time Watching | Review
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It was absolutely wild to see how Snow ended up the way we see him at the time of Katniss. This film provided so much more insight and context into his background and I couldn't help but empathise with him by the end. Enjoy ;)
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The one thing I think the movie really missed out on is Snow’s sinister inner monologue. He is very evil and narcissistic and some scenes just don’t hold the same weight without his thought process behind it!
True, I think half of the reason I was even suspicious was because of what he’s like in the trilogy. Otherwise it would have been a bit more ambiguous.
True. In the book, he is nice to people on the outside but his thoughts are about how he despises the person he is being nice too. He is truly a piece of work
Totally. I was so confused with people shipping he and Lucy Gray after the movie 😭 He's so disgusting in the book!
Before he met Lucy Gray he was caring and actually nice though, the combination of Dr. Gaul and Lucy Gray's manipulations made him what he became.
@@Mithras-jp4jp?????? No he wasn’t if you read the books he is very narcissistic and an asshole from the beginning
tbh that last line of Lucy was definitely a test. She purposefully instilled in Snow's mind that she's the only loose end. So she left and watched for his reaction and when he spiralled she disappeared, bc she knows that Snow would probably kill her to keep his secret.
You worded that perfectly oml👏🏽
Not sure if you got it - Snow poisoned the morfling that the Dean drank in the end, and that's why he died. Thus, Snow started his practice of poisoning people that are in his way.
Your are right snow poised the morfling that dean drank
He started before that with Lucy Gray in the arena, but yes, that became his method
The way this 82 year old man was haunted and eventually bested by a teenage girl from district 12 named Katniss that knows the hanging tree song and is referred to as the mockingjay is 💅🏻
Looking back, I was like laughing and say, "what are the chances?"
What makes it even more delicious? The last thing Lucy Gray ever did before she vanished was tell Snow that she was off to dig up some katniss 😂
But… I mean 82 is like literally a win In life he lived a full evil happy life.
@@odile8701and he said it was to early for that and she said “the world changes awfully fast” 🤯
Looking back at the first 4 films I only now realized this fool Snow was going so hard on Katniss legit because of the parallels to Lucy Grey.
“Everyone loves an underdog.”
“I don’t.”
- Seneca Crane & Pres. Snow
The one person that ever bested him because Katniss was HIS underdog 😂😂
Someone said Lucy Gray was a performer forced to hunt, and Katniss was a hunter forced to perform.
It was Rachel Zegler I think
It was so disturbing to learn that they used to keep the tributes in the zoo while giving them no food. Mags (the old lady that was with Finnick) won the next games to this one, so maybe she still went through that even if things were starting to change (she was also the first one to do the tour, poor soul).
It was said in the books that he started to change the games with the 11th. For example they would allowed training for the tributes, would feed them, would allow them to sleep in fancy hotels, and once mags won, she was given the first house in the Victors village
@@hexyila52 as I said, we know changes were made for her games but things didn't happen immediately, those games still had a lot of shitty things and it took some years to get all the at least good stuff they offered to the tributes, and no, there's not a detailed list of what changes and things they got for the 11th.
@@jrlombardi5251 before the 10th games, the tributes were kept in the stable overnight then dumped into the arena the next day. It's only in the tenth games they started keeping them in the zoo, so the people of the capitol could come and gawk at them. They didn't bother thinking about feeding them during this time because they never had to before, but they never kept them for this long either
@@kittyunderwood8918 I know that, doesn't change what I said at all
@@jrlombardi5251 ok
As people have said, Snow’s inner dialogue is completely selfish. He saved Sejanus because he had to and he wanted to use that leverage. He DOES like Lucy Gray, but he constantly constantly thinks down on her and he thinks of her as property
In the books Snow literally wants to own Lucy and talks about people like they’re property. it’s more obvious in the books but Snow has always had a psycho mindset
Not always, he was nice and caring, he only become sociopathic because of Dr. Gaul and Lucy's manipulations.
Like Katniss Snow is an unreliable narrator so we can’t be sure if Lucy was really being manipulative
It was shown with Billy, and is a parallel with Katniss and Peeta, Just like how Lucy pretended to love Snow for her own survival so to does history repeat with Katniss and Peeta.
Even if you take out Snow's perspective, Lucy only became 'in love' with Snow once she figured out his connections to the Hunger Games, she also doesn't care about anyone outside of the Covoy, her only family because she is neither district nor capitol.@@tylerbrown7246
Snow wasn't 100% bad either, he was, at that point, at least redeemable
@@Mithras-jp4jp…. What manipulations?
22:15 i laughed when you said you know Snow actually cares about Sejanus, because after this part in the books when Sejanus calls Snow "Coryo", Snow just thinks about how he wants to strangle Sejanus for choosing this time to call him something only those closest to him can call him lmao. Also, right before this when Sejanus' Ma came to the Snow residence to ask him for help, she says to him "You're his only friend" and Snow thinks in his head "poor Sejanus, doesn't have any friends"
Damn snow really is so disgusting and selfish 😨
And the fact that his family funds Snow’s education for being such a good friend to their son (not knowing he was responsible for his death) is very sad.
Jesus, Suzanne Collins really went all out in writing Coriolanus Snow as a young narcissistic fuck.
"It's the things we love most that destroy us," and Snow loved power so much that it destroyed him in the end.
Except that isn't what destroyed him. Have you noticed the metaphor in Mockingjay? How when they sing the Hanging Tree and blow up the Hydroelectric dam Snow loses his POWER. Lucy Gray destroys him. Her mockingjays are everywhere and he can't kill them all. You see the statue at the end and the rainbow? The rainbow is making Lucy Gray's skirt on the statue. The Rainbow girl or as Gaul might put it, a rainbow of destruction. Lucy Gray is the original singer of the song, the mockingjay repeats her song. Snow is fighting a ghost in his head the entire trilogy. He looks at Katniss and he sees Lucy Gray. There is a line in the book 'She and her mockingjays can't harm him anymore'....
Not sure if you caught it-it's not as clear in the movie. But Lucy Gray actually wrote 'The Hanging Tree' as a message to Coriolanus. After they planned to run away together, Lucy Gray sang The Hanging Tree as a hint as to where to meet up.
Also, the "They strung up a man, they say who murdered three" and "the dead man called out for his love to flee" are references to the man who was hung when Snow first arrived in twelve, as the jabberjays echoes his last screams after he was dead.
It's also strongly implied that Katniss was descended from a member of the Covey, as The Hanging Tree was only sang once, right before Lucy Gray disappeared (and music was banned in district 12 soon after) and yet Katniss was taught the song by her father.
Makes you really wonder how Snow must have reacted to the song in Mockingjay, considering it's a long-dead song that was literally written FOR HIM. It must have been as haunting as the birds singing it at the very end.
(more evidence for Katniss being descended from the Covey, the lake in the movie was said to only be known by the Covey members. It's not said in the movies, but in the books, the lake (AND the cabin from the very end) was a secret spot known only by Katniss, as her father had shown it to her)
well actually in the book “The hanging tree” song was about billy taupe, well not about him but the lyrics are what he said to lucy gray when he invited her to run away with him. she just use the song as an message to coriolanus so that he know where to meet her. in the book he was like “another billy taupe song 🙄 but its okay cause she sang it for him and to him
Even more evidence is the katniss along the lake! That’s where her name came from
The song is about Arlo Chance. The guy in the film who is hung for killing three people and calls his wife to run away. She then uses that to write the song that becomes a coded message for Coriolanus about where they were going to meet to run away together. He thinks its about Billy Taupe because he's jealous.@@ChicagoLebron
@@04nbod the first part was about the guy who was hung. But the parts about "where a necklace of rope side by side with me" doesn't fit, since Arlo Chance wanted his lover to get away. Billy Taupe said that if he was going to hang, so was Lucy. That's why parts of the song seem to be or are about him
There is only one narrator though. It makes far more sense that Lucy Gray is inspired by these things rather than the song being about them.
Arlo genuinely loves his wife and wants her to escape. Billy Taupe doesn't say that out of love so the two are really incompatible if we take them at literal value.
@@kittyunderwood8918
My absolute favourite thing is Snow's spiralling the second he doesn't have control, especially over Lucy Gray. He can control her in the arena, even a little in 12 but the second he's in the wilderness where he can't control her, he snaps. I love how the film twisted the perspective with that last scene with Lucy Gray where we visibly see the paranoia. What did Lucy Gray actually do in that scene? What happened to her? We don't know, her last scene is overcome with Snow's paranoia. We don't know if she is alive or dead, but she is free (like the Lucy Gray in the song she sings).
Dude I love this film as someone who adored the book. It's such an impossible book to adapt and I think they did well especially with the casting and acting. Obviously things are missed but I think they did well nonetheless. Most of my issues from watching it the first time (for example the pacing of some vital scenes compared to the book) went completely away on rewatch, it became an even better good film watching it another time :D great reaction
She really was his anchor, and as soon as he lost her to the woods, he lost himself and his humanity.
Hanging Tree is a song that Lucy Gray wrote and that Katniss reproduced because her father sang it to her when she was little.
And outside of peace keepers the only other people to have ever heard the hanging tree song were Covey because it was outlawed for being too rebellious. Since Maude Ivory can remember a song after hearing it only once it seems likely she is who passed it down.
The stupidity of Dean Highbottom was not seeing the chance to redeem his mistake through Coryo, imo. Whatever happened with his father, happened. In your hands you have a very intelligent kid who lacks any strong role model in his life. Dr Gaul saw that and took advantage of it, shaped him bit by bit to be the perfect successor through nurturing the worst in him... whereas Highbottom's attitude probably made Gaul's praise all the more effective. Had he put aside his hatred, he MAYBE could have shaped Snow into someone who would do better. Academy education lasts years. And as far as mentors go, one would find it far easier to trust a brusque asshole over whatever the hell Gaul had going on lmao.
Bro Psychopathy is hereditary and with Coryos upbringing and clear will to do anything to win was a big red flag. Coryo alluded in the beginning to Dean Highbottom always having it out for him which indicates, along with the fact the Dean personally knew his father, would give him more than enough ample time and analysis to come to a clear understanding of what he was dealing with.
@@juvon102 not exactly. There's a genetic predisposition with most psychiatric conditions, but the environment and triggers play a huge role. Coryo wasn't some lost cause from the get go, that would defeat the whole purpose of the story.
@@Gamze-ql7kr You misunderstand, we’re basically saying the same thing but I’m where we see things from the 10th HG. By this time he has 18 and had more than enough mental capacity to know right from wrong and chose whatever benefitted him most. At this point in time he is teetering into being a lost cause due to so much happening in his life prior to what we see. Though the book puts it more bluntly the movie also shows that although Snow, as brilliant as he was, made things better in comparison he was the catalyst to continue the games in the first place and he is well aware of that by the end. But instead of “fixing things from the inside” he became just as bad as his own Mentor to his own will. Lucy Gray can’t be blamed as his switch because it is clear to us that if he couldn’t control her he would’ve killed her. (Assuming he actually did not)
The fact that they're telling us that even the people of the Capitol after ten years of the Hunger Games were getting sick of it, and then Coryo, like his father, keeps them alive when they should have died. The fact that he kills the two people (Dean Casca and Sejanus) who were trying their hardest to end them from the inside... god, it's just so horrible and sad. He didn't care that Sejanus was his friend, or that Lucy Gray was his "love:" he was really sociopathic. But I love that we were given such a strong explanation that he felt powerless and scared as a child watching his neighbors _literally_ eat and turn on each other, and then his father was killed by rebels. He never wanted to feel that powerless and scared again. He hates the districts. He convinced himself that Lucy Gray was different, because the Covey wasn't _really_ from 12, but the moment he thought she might turn on him, he turned on her. The moment he thought she was trying to kill him (she wasn't, as the snake was _not_ venomous, she was just scared of him and trying to get away), he jumped to trying to kill her, as it would make his life a whole lot easier. It was that simple for him, killing her. And continuing the Hunger Games would make his own future bright while putting the districts in their place. It made him feel powerful. Continuing the slaughter of innocent children was that simple for him.
It would be hard to show in the movie, but in the book Snow barely tolerated Sejanus. He played besties because his dad had money but he was over it whenever he even spoke lmao
In the books the snake scene with Clemensia was way worse! Gaul didn’t tell them what would happen until her hand was already in there and she didn’t take full credit she just said she participated. Imo it just shows how disgustingly twisted and evil Gaul is way better than the movies. Cause in the book Clemensia is actually one of the nicer people in the capitol(until she kinda became a snake)
Yeah, I was confused in the movie why Clemensia still went ahead and placed her hand in when she knew she didn't have a hand in writing that assignment. She coulda just fussed up or something
Until she kinda became a snake is too good ☠️
My favourite quote from the film comes from Highbottom: ‘Mysteries have a way of driving us mad.’ That and the final shot of Snow staring at the statue with the subtle rainbow 🌈 shows how the mystery of Lucy Gray Baird is something he can never get over and when Katniss comes it’s like a ghost coming back to haunt him along with the birds and the hanging tree song.
In the books I find it very interesting that Lucy performed the hanging tree only once and it was banned for its message and subject immediately afterwords so only a few hundred peope heard it only once and it somehow got passed down to Katniss's father
Maybe some people came together to write down what they remembered and between them memorised the whole song? (I haven’t read the book yet).
If you also do remember Maude Ivory Baird is the girl that can remember the songs just be listening to it one time. so she could’ve been her that passed it down to her to anyone that want to listen
also the katniss dad may have been in the crowd at that birthday party where she sing it that one time
@@chillindj_ - when who sang it at a birthday party? Lucy Gray disappeared before Katniss' parents were born. Did Maude Ivory sing it in the book?
@@essentiallyinvisible3572 lucy gray was singing the hanging tree. but someone told it it was too stop singing it. But i think (my theory) is that maude lvory did share the song to someone and that’s how the song got around to katniss dad
mude lvory did not sing in the book i don’t think.
@@chillindj_ Yes it was likely Maude Ivory that remembered the song. She did had a knack for only needing to hear a song once to learn it and she was at the party.
But the fact that it was made illegal meant she was not performing it publicly. She probably only performed it to small groups of trusted people which places Katniss's Father as someone very close to the covey.
I've heard ppl with theories that Lucy Grey was Katniss's Grandmother.... I think what actually fits better is Maude Ivory being Katniss paternal grandmother. It explains how Katniss father knew both the hanging tree song and about the lake.
A nice little something in the book is that right up until the epilogue, he is referred to as Coriolanus, but at the end he's called Snow - because he's shed the last of the skin (snake reference) and become the character we know.
Viola Davis never misses when she’s in something…she’s amazing. 👌 Although, anyone else think Tigris was the dark horse in this film?
FYI. . . This hunger games was wiped from the history by Gaul, Mags was in the 11th annual hungers this she was probably one of the last people to remember Lucy Gray, and Sejanus’s family essentially adopt Snow because to them Snow was their son’s best friend until the end and they funded Snow’s entire career.
No way, I just realized something! In the movie, Clemmie (the girl who got bit by a snake) was trying to take the credit for those ideas alongside Snow. That's what happened to Snow's dad and Dean Highbottom. Submitting ideas that are not actually yours.
Yeah, Crassus Snow gave the credit to Casca Highbottom for coming up with the idea of Hunger Games but benefitted for submitting them. Casca will be vilified through history while Crassus sips* tea. Serves him that D13 fell where all their investments were. Celemensia wasn’t anywhere near that diabolical though.
@@lovequinn7521 yup, you're right
I like to think about all the moments that Snow saw Lucy in Katniss... in the Mockingjay, in the music and even in the name. These two were his terror
Rachel actually sang her songs in district 12 live on the set
All of the songs except for the one at the end of the games (she wanted to, but they said it was dangerous for her voice).
The book contains a lot of Snow's thought, the fact that the movie did it this well to share his character with us is AMAZING. In the book, Snow has always calculated everything, everything he did is for the good of himself, so he actually doesn't consider Sejanus as his friend, he just know how to act to get Sejanus to do what he want to do.
In the book, once everything spiraled down, and Snow decided to go back, he decided that he won't care about Lucy grayand will forget her, ironically decades after that Katniss came along, with so many things to remind him about her lol Pls listen to the Ost. Can't catch me now, the lyrics are on point for their relationship!
That’s so interesting since psychopaths are so good at lying and can often appear charming since all they are trying to do is manipulate 😬
@@thecocoacouch Absolutely. The book is great, if you have time you should check it out👍I watched the movie first, came out straight to book store, read the book and re-watch the movie again👍
@@thecocoacouchevery single thought and action of his is calculated. It’s a book of rumination honestly. Even when he’s acting “impulsively” he’s spent three paragraphs justifying his actions before or after, even if he knows he was foolish. Down to sejanus’s death. Stole his MONEY from his belongings and took his family’s fortune through manipulation.
I see his hatred for the districts, victors, and Katniss and peeta especially, is that if they cannot get away what they did in their youth, they certainly cannot overrule them with those behaviors now. And yet he’s taken down with his power hungry passion for punishment.
They didn't mention this in the movie but snow also came up with he idea of giving the tributes money, and he also came up with the idea of the Victor's villiage( the place where katniss stayed after she won).
Also in the books katniss singing talent was on par with lucy greys in the books peeta says the mockingjays fall silent when katniss sings.
Dean High bottom actually starts giving them money after they win on the side as a way to try to reduce his guilt. They mentioned him giving Lucy a considerable amount of money after she won when he told her that he was happy she survived Snow.
@@jdbarber13 I know that but at the end when snow was a game maker he made the idea an official rule . But yes he did get the idea from Dean highbottom.
I like to think that Lucy Gray is far up in Canada chilling in a cabin, and living her life as an aesthetic indie cottagecore girly ❤
omg snow saying that it's too early for katniss gave me chills
So Snow probably thought he was in love with Lucy Gray, but in the book he thinks of his “happily ever after” when she wins the Games, and he directly describes her as _his,_ as a prize he gets to keep, that will sing in the Capitol nightclubs and headline across the nation. It didn’t help that his classmates referred to her as “his tribute” or “his girl.” Even the dean said she “belonged to him.” So since the Games ended he felt entitled to her.
I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but I took it as the thing that finally made Snoe tip over, was that the scarf that he gave to Lucy no longer smelled like his mother, because Lucy left it in the rain/mud.
Like that was his only thing he had left of his mother, and Lucy ruined it like she truly didn't care about him or what he shared of himself with her.
12:42 fun fact: that wasn't in the script, the actor just felt like it lmao😂
Also something I took from the very last line, “It’s the things we love most that destroys us.” One could argue that he loved power, and it was his love for/of power that got him killed. It also destroyed the good in him:/
in the play where suzanne collins got coriolanus’ name, the mother of the main character,coriolanus, is a woman called volumnia, who consistently urges her son towards aggression and to strive for political power. and dr gaul is obviously called volumnia which is quite interesting!
At the end, Highbottom died because Snow poisoned the vile that he drank from. (from the box of serjanus)
One thing I love is the one girl saying “I can’t have killed them all for nothing.” She just wanted to live, any cost, even if she was killing herself on the inside. Could’ve been just a one note viscous fighter but she had more depth
A very clear parallel to Cato's final moment in "The Hunger Games".
@@ribbitgrlwith the difference that Cato volunteered as tribute. He simply underestimated the games.
@@xqui-gon_gym6585 Cato was also groomed by his family to do so, like all careers.
You are officially my favourite react channel. You have such incredible media literacy and the things you picked up on without even having read the book!!!! Amazing man
Also fun fact Coriolanus is named after the Shakespeare play Coriolanus about a Roman general whose known for his hatred of plebeians as in the lesser, poor people of Rome and he rose to power and was later betrayed by his “friends”. In that play, his mother grooms and nurtures his villainy and ensures he becomes the person that he does. In the play, Coriolanus’ mother’s name is Volumnia as in Dr Volumnia Gaul. Suzanne Collins the author absolutely intended for this to be a twisted mother/son relationship and it explains her twisted motives for her actions. Like using the snakes to attack Clemie when in her eyes, she was trying to take credit away from her “son”. Also even though it’s not mentioned in the movie, the book explains that she’s a doctor who began her career helping mothers during childbirth and taking care of the babies so her whole character is built around her seeing Snow as her baby/son/mutt/project/heir.
"lucy gray is a performer forced to fight. katniss is a fighter forced to perform."
If you listen to the words of the song that goes with the credits, its becomes even more obvious that Snow was haunted by Lucy his whole life.
I haven't read the books yet, but If the movie is so well done, I can imagine, how great the books are
if you loved the movie, def recommend the book, I listened to the audiobook which made it hard to imagine the music but they did it well. Like many of the other comments said the book gives you even more perspective as to what Snow was actually thinking during all the decisions he made
I listened to the audiobook as well, and it's unfortunate that they got a good singer to read the book, but not sing any of the songs. I know they came up with melodies for the original songs for the movie, but a few of the songs already exist. Kind of a wasted opportunity.
Little fun fact, the girl who played Lucy Gray, and the guy who played Sejanus met while they were filming West side story and ended up dating. She originally turned down the role because she had already been filming away from home but when she found out her boyfriend got cast, she decided that she would give it a shot.
But I thought this was a top-tier prequel, because prequels are always a hit or miss, but I ended up watching it three times in theaters and bought it instantly when it came out a few days ago.
Ps still waiting on your reaction to part 3 of maze runner
I think the whole aspect of how the movie deals with snow is that you can't help but try and feel empathy for him, but at the same time you can't really feel empathy for him. We already know his end result, a power hungry maniac. So any empathy we could feel for him is instantly thrown out the window. This is not helped by the fact that he is not that great of a person even at the beginning of the movie. For example, he views the Districts as scum like most Capitol Citizens, and isn't even really a friend to Sejanus (the line: "I don't like him, I tolerate him"). In addition, the further the movie progresses, the more you start to see that any kind things he does do he only does because he thinks in some way will be for his own personal gain. Even with Lucy Gray, the woman he supposedly loved, his actions are pretty tainted if you look at them, closely. Everything he does for Lucy Gray is, for the most part, only done because he ultimately thinks he'll get something out of her. Yes, there are some truly kind things he does, and yes, he did to an extent love her. However, the love he had was always infected with some sort of poison. By the time he shoots Mayfair, and later witnesses Sejanus' execution, he has become so hellbent on becoming what he inevitably becomes, that any remaining kind actions he does after this point can only be seen as completely to further himself. When we inevitably reach the "you killed 3" scene near the end, Lucy Gray herself even realizes what a maniac he is, eliminating her trust for him completely.
Now there's the whole thing about how Dr. Gaul getting in his head also played a role, but Snow himself did choose a lot of the things that ended up forming who he was. In addition, this is already a pretty long reply, so I'll stop here.
Hope you enjoyed reading this ;)
I read a theory that Lucy's colorful wardrobe inspired the Capitol's clothing in the future. I think it also inspired costumes for the tributes.
Only from memory though? Want all record of her and those games scrubbed?
The reason why Snow and many others didn't think Lucy Gray would win was because no one before her from District 12 had ever won. In fact, I don't remember if it was stated in the book or the movie, but tributes from District 12 never lasted that long and were usually the first ones to go. Unlike some of the other districts, people from 12 were malnourished due to poverty and starvation. For instance, when Snow tells Tigris he didn't think Lucy Gray had a chance of winning in the beginning, he says Lucy Gray was "underfed." Also, in the book, even though he claims he's not sexist, he believes women are inherently smaller, weaker and not as strong compared to men, and therefore, Lucy Gray had worse odds because of it considering those from 12 were weaker in comparison.
I love how everything resonates off eachother in this series, even Lucy Gray herself. Named for a girl in a song who ran into the snow and vanished also ran into snow, and disappeared. He never loved Lucy, he coveted her….he saw something that others wanted and decided he had a right to her but she refused to be controlled.
YESSSS!!!!!! THANK YOU! I do think that they should have split part 1 and 2 from part 3. It felt sort of rushed at the end.
Yeah I agree, lots of time jumping between scenes and their split felt less emotional weight (I still liked it tho)
Divide it into two would have definitely not worked, a mini series would have been the perfect way to adapt it in terms of pacing and getting all the content, even if I get why they want movie(s).
But I don't blame the director, like, Mockingjay was a book that had even a better way to get divided and turned into two movies (even if not perfect) and even so that made them loose millions and receive tons of hate, so if I was Francis I also wouldn't think about diving another movie in this franchise (or any), people literally hated on it so much that made the poor man think of it as the worst mistake ever that he still regrets and wants to never do again.
@@thecocoacouch there's not really time jumps, in the sense that everything happens pretty much quick (even in the book), like I'm pretty sure the entirity of Snow and Lucy Gray's relationship since they meet till the finale happens in just two months.
@thecocoacouch Yes, of course. it is probably my favorite movie of this year. And, i don't want to bash the producers at all, and with what budget they had ($100m), the movie that came from it surpassed a lot of people's expectations (some people going as far to say one of, if not the best villan arc movie). I am simply saying that it was an amazing movie, but if they split it into two parts, there would have been more time to show his villainous side growing.
@jrlombardi5251 I can see where you're coming from, and I think that the movie Francis made was amazing, and I'm just happy to see TBOSAS get turned into a movie.
The book portrays Snow as a dark, somewhat caring (btw only about his family) type person, who pretends to like certain people on the outside, but truly despises/dislikes on the inside. The movie portrays Snow as a young man who is fully devoted to the capitol, but who begins to question everything he's been told his whole life once he meets Lucy Gray and starts to fall for her. Its only after he thinks that she tried to kill him where he starts to become angry and turn into the evil dictator he becomes in the later hunger games movies.
Also Suzanne Collins has confirmed she is writing another book to follow this!
5:41 There’s a really popular fan theory that this girl who’s singing (Lucy Gray’s cousin, Maude Ivory Baird) is Katniss’s paternal grandmother! There’s a lot of evidence in the book!
37:40 yep, and Katniss' dad used to tell her that is she was ever in trouble or hungry, all she had to do was "find herself"
Interesting that you initially thought she was beginning to trust him, rather than him beginning to trust her... She played the game from the moment her name was called.
Snow in the books was very jealous that she sang a song dedicated to Billy Taupe. Even though it was a 'fuck you' song. Like that really stood out to me, out of all his behaviour
lamina was so significant to me in this movie 😭 her urge to fight was so triggering to me, even though she got stabbed on the back she still kept fighting i was rooting for her so much
You didn’t hear it from me. But I wanted to share this amazing little quote that someone made on Twitter I think. I don't remember the exact words, because it’s been passed around by others.
“Katniss Everdeen is all about a hunter being placed in a Performance. Lucy Gray Is a performer placed in a Hunt.”
Rachel actually said something similar to that in an interview
I personally thought that this was an amazing movie as someone who hasn't read the book i really enjoyed it ❤ and the plot twists had me on the edge of my seat
that last sniff he took of his moms coverup was like the last time he had a bit of his good self. i looooovvvved this movie, it also made me attracted to snow arrest me 😭😭😭
Don’t worry girl everyone is on the same boat😂
This was filmed much more brutally than the other HG films, different tone too...great reaction to this film. Love your work
"Yes, become Snow White!" 🤣😂😅 That made my day
You know how Katniss said, "No one decent ever wins the Games"? Haymitch had added the survival line.
Snow survived his Games, which he referred to as the whole world being an arena. He survived, and he's no decent person. Not even love could save him.
As a prequel to the other movies, I really enjoyed this very much. I went out and bought the book afterwards because I'm super curious to see the details that they were unable to translate onto the screen, can highly recommend the book if you read! The little references to the other films were really well done in my opinion and it just felt like we were watching a tragedy slowly take form tbh. Ultimately I think Snow's ambition is what shapes him, and the fact that his entire goal has always been "Snow lands on top" (both for himself but also for his family), outside influence helps shape him throughout the film/book. Watching him receive good influence (from Lucy Gray, Sejanus and Tigris) vs bad influence (from Dr. Gaul, the general sentiment in the Capitol, his own grandmother etc) and then watching him make a decision (crossing the line into evil, like Lucy Gray said) I think is my fave part of it all. I think parts of his personality were perhaps forced due to his personal life situation, and then others were very deliberately evil or manipulative choices. All that combined makes for a very interesting antagonist, which I absolutely love.
Either way, I'm happy you reacted to it! As someone who really enjoyed your Hunger Games adventure, this is a great way to close things off
you're so smart omg you're insights are so spot on 😭
'NOT CANDY! DOWN GOES WOVEY!' was the funniest part of this movie hands down.
I know they changed it to add drama for the movie, but in the book there is no bloodbath when the Hunger Games start. Some of the tributes run for the weapons, but none of them actually fight each other and everyone walks/runs away. Through the whole games there are only maybe a handful of times the tributes actively choose to engage in a fight with one another. Even Reaper, who personally apologizes to each of the tributes the night before for having to kill them, doesn't kill anyone and instead spends the entire games gathering bodies and giving them shrouds torn from the Capitol flag to give them some dignity in death. In comparison to Dr. Gauls's (and then Snow's) philosophy that the Hunger Games are "humanity undressed," I think it's so crucial to the story that the actions of everyone who has been forced into that arena proves the contrary.
“Yes become Snow White” That line is hilarious on multiple levels 😂😂😂
There’s a theory that says that Lucy Gray’s cousin Maude Ivory is Katniss’ grandmother from her father’s side. It makes sense cause the Hanging Tree song was taught to Katniss by her father
Another small detail you notice about snow in modern day he never says Katina’s name he always calls her miss Everdeen.
Beautifully presented and narrated. Personal, insightful, and inspiring.
I love your reaction. You had a really great observations. It’s not that easy to understand what Snow thinks without knowing the books but you did great.
12:42 i also got jumped scared in the theater lmaooo
You’ve got to read the books. Also have you seen the new Percy Jackson tv show? I feel like you’d love it
The untouched bow and arrow in the cornucopia because it's too early for Katniss.❤
the actress who played Lucy sang all her stuff live on set
In the books Volumnia Gaul is basically the woman who made Coriolanus Snow, the moral he has of not lying and not wanting to be lied to is something he learned from her!
I really enjoyed this reaction video. I would really like a sequal to this. I hope they make one. Instead of jumping straight from this to the hunger games
Not sure that it was clear but Sejanus was not a friend of Snow. He tolerated him while the others in the capital did not. He hated that he was connected with Sejanus - that is until he died and his parents took him in as a "son" and paid for everything for his family.
Damn, when you told me you were going to watch it I didn't think it would be this fast, love you❤
12:42 I saw this in the back row of the theater and that made me jump like a rag doll and scared me more than an6 horror movie ever has 😭 the worst part was that a speaker was right behind me
I was about to go to sleep and then saw THIS, let's goooo
The Hanging Tree is about the man we see who gets executed and his partner who gets arrested for crying out to him
"if something hapens we can talk about it" while going out with a gun. in the book he had already decided he needed to kill her when he left the cabin. she was scared of him and she was right to be
Our girl Tigris deserved so much better in the future, at least she got the last laugh (if you know what I mean).
YES OMG I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO WATCH ITTTT!!!!! I SAW IT THREE TIMES IN THEATERS!!
I haven’t read the book yet (I’m halfway through the first), so I don’t know if the book makes it clearer, but I think he loved Lucy Gray as much as Snow could love anyone. She was his Plan B, always subconsciously waiting for the opportunity to rise to power. A life with her, even if his family were taken care of, wouldn’t have been enough for him. He essentially wanted to become his father, with authority and influence. Nobody was going to be able to steer him off of that path long-term, not Tigris or Lucy Gray. Even if one or both died, I think he’d have used that as another reason to take control someday.
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I know what you mean about the last third, but I don’t think there would have been enough for a second film (if it had been split). Maybe an extra 10 minutes runtime could have clarified it a little. That said, on a rewatch, I think you notice the signs more that he’s going down the path he ends up at by the end. I don’t think Lucy Gray manipulated him near the end; I think it just dawned on her that he betrayed Sejanus and she wasn’t safe with him any more, hence trying to leave and covering the snake with the scarf.
Okay I haven't watched it yet but I wanted you to react that soooo badly! Thank you, now I am going to watch :D
I’m so glad u watched this ❤ love ur videos and they did sooooooo good with this movie man I’ve seen it 10x already😂
WOAH😨
I was so excited when I saw this reaction posted. I always 💕 your observations & insights. You catch a lot not having read the book. I read the book & saw movie in the theater & didn't think that the objects in the glass jar in Dr Gaul' s lab could be the pressessors to mutts.I thought the same thing about the arena before the explosion. You recognizd right away that Dr Gaul was grooming Snow. I am not sure if you realized that Snow poisoned the Dean starting his career of posioning his enemies.
This is very interesting I agree with you about the decision made to have us empathize with snow but slowly see and understand how he becomes who he is in the originals and don't even get me started on Tigris it's honestly heartbreaking 😢
IM SO EXCITED LETS GOOO!!🎉❤
Finally watched it in theaters with my son and yours was the first reaction I came to ❤
The kids from District 11 make me cry literally every time, bro
Man, that character’s screams are heartbreaking. I cried when I heard it.
I think Corio thought sejanus would be fine bc his parents always saved him from punishment in the past so that’s the only reason he betrayed him
So far you're the only reactor ive watched of this movie (who watched all the others) who seems to understand whats actually going on in this movie.
Now time for them to make a movie about Haymitch’s Hunger Games, the second Quarter Quell 🙏🏼
i absolutely LOVED this movie, and honestly the book is x10 better and the most disturbing parts arent even included in the movie. they also changed the actual games a lot for the movie which i kind of get because it was super slow (which was honestly good gave a lot of story and character to everyone) i very much recommend checking the book out too because it adds so much more dimention to all of this. love the videos btw
14:18 another change. In the books, Snow reached in first and grabbed a page no issue. Then as Clemensia reached for a page, that's when Dr. Gaul told them about the scent thing, but it was already too late
You asked, what happend between Tigres and Snow.....I dont know, if anyone commented it yet....
But in the beginning of the film, we see young Coreilenus and Tigris searching for food, however the book is much darker and it hints suuuuuper heavy, that Tigris at that age had to ...well... sell herself..... to keep the family fed. There is a dialouge between them. Tigres said "During the dark days, everyone had to do stuff they are not proud of" Snow "Well, you didnt!" Tigirs "You were to young, to remember, how .... bad it really was. What im trying to say, dont judge over someone who had to choose between death and disgrace." Its not as clear in the movie, but in the books, you know what that mean.
The rift between them, must have come a few years after Finnick won, the 64th Games. (SuperCarlinBrothers got a theory) basically, There are two lines of dialouge in Catching fire that hint, about the Capitol selling Finicks body. Hamich says "because he was so young, the Capitol couldnt touch him, but at 16..." and later Finnick "I havent spend something common as money in years" SO CarlinBrothers thing, that at this point, Tigris saw, that despite having to do it herself, Corilenus actively selling victors for fun and that what caused her to leave.
I really feel like Lucy Gray made it out, since we didn’t see her body. Gives Suzanne Collins more possibilities to write about and expand this universe.
I love how she made us empathize with Snow at the beginning, but as soon as we do, he starts to turn. Lucy Gray really was his anchor, and as soon as he lost her, he lost himself and his humanity.
One of my favorite things is that Lucy Gray was a performer forced to be a fighter, and Katniss was a fighter forced to be a performer.
And poor Sejanus!! 😭 I loved him in the book, and the Hanging Tree scene killed me. Snow really regretted it immediately after, but then realized how he really didn’t care, because it was what he needed to do.
Also, my theory is that Lucy Gray is related to Katniss through her cousin, Maude Ivory. In the books we learn that Maude Ivory was able to learn any song after only hearing it once, just like Katniss. And Katniss learned her songs from her father, which I imagine to be Maude Ivory’s son. Just an interesting theory.
As someone who's never read any of the books I actually really liked this movie more than I thought. At least for me it was better than some of the original trilogy overall.
I jumped so many times in the theater and my friend was looking at me like ‘🤨’ 🤣😭
yes, yes it is the same medow...the one lucy was singing hanging tree is the same as the end of mockingjay