Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty DLC Kinda Sucks
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
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00:00 - Intro
00:25 - Lack of new enemies
01:31 - New levels kinda suck
2:39 - THE NEW BOSSES
7:35 - Conclusion - Hry
I played Wo Long on game pass and as soon as I beat it I reinstalled Nioh 2, and had a blast with that.
Same here😂
I also played on game pass and didn’t even bother to beat it. Game kinda sucks
Same here. Time to try other builds and weapons instead of sticking to my favorite glaive/staff combo.
@@user-sd5hq9gy4xme and my Hayabusa build with katana fist kusarigama dual blade and spear intended weaponry 😂😂😂
Wo long is not nioh
only when a mosquito lands on your balls is when you truly learn to solve problems without violence
While i feel like there are quite a few flaws with wo long a lot of people are ignoring some of the great things about it - namely for me this is the first team ninja game where the human bosses didnt suck absolute dick - in fact in most cases they were better than the monster bosses
Also i found exploration really fun to explore (while i also found nioh fun to explore it doesnt diminish wo longs great exploration) there r a few others but just wanted to say this as some people just think this game is terrible which just isnt true
Wo Long was a HUGE downgrade from Nioh let’s be real. I was so excited to play this game and I was only able to finish the main campaign. They had good ideas but implemented poorly.
- Weapons are repetitive and looks and plays the same. 50 types of swords and Polearms, really?
- We went from 3 stances with diverse movesets from each one and combinations to 5 light attacks and only 1 strong attack that doesn’t even change according to how you chain it plus two martial arts only that are random and can’t be changed.
- Parry is fun but the entire game was heavily built around it which sucks, the game forces you to parry leaving blocking and dodging behind.
- All the quality of life updates should have been in the game already.
- Jumping was fun but beside platforming jump attacks are obsolete almost.
- I play it more for the thirst of having something like Nioh and because I love Chinese martial arts and setting but every time I log in I can’t play more than 30min.
It almost feel that they needed money quick for another project and decided to launch this unfinished knowing that Nioh fans would buy it without hesitation.
The fact that they had EVERYTHING to make this game succeed and they pooped on it makes it even worse. Just unfortunate…
Wo long is such a disgrace. I want to delete my PS Star Hard Game Club Collectible.
Agree 100%with you bro I was excited to for this they made this trash
Honestly I had lots of fun with the dlc and the new difficulty
Wo long sucks. Maybe ok game but Nioh 1 and 2 perfections
I think the issue is
This dlc is just more Wo long with no real improvements
The Nioh 2 dlc areas were bad but the bosses were a big improvement(especially Tate Ebsohi and Yoshitsune)
This dlc is more Wo long and that is it
The bosses are basically carried by Dian Wei
The first boss suffered the Wo long being half baked issue as his "phase 2" is just what the fight should have been from the start because he does have a fun moveset that you prob won't see until Phase 2
And the other is arguably worse than Zhang Rang(and I payed for this piece of crap)
So you are paying 15 euro for like one great fight and a above average by Wo long standards mission(but it is also the same aesthetic we have seen like 7 times in Nioh)
So basically
If you just want more Wo long yeah you can get it
If you are eh on it at all
Unless you really like the look of Dian Wei
Don't bother
And this is from me someone who actually likes Wo long
The first dlc for nioh 2 is 2 missions with 2 really good bosses and 1 boss that's a reuse of umibozu, the first dlc of Stranger of Paradise is literally pro codes from KH3 and 2 bosses, you have to redo missions for it, this bleeds wayyyyy into Stranger of Paradise and Wo Long because these games need a lot of quality of life improvements and core improvements in general, stranger took 2 dlcs to become whole and once it does the game is way better for it but the tradeoff is that none of the dlcs ever had real new enemies, the problem with comparing it to nioh 2 is that it also had a full game to flesh out it's systems and ideas and either way the problem is that you should only buy team ninja dlcs if you mainly want the new difficulty introduced as a lot of time and technically new content was put into them, this is the case with nioh and Stranger and Wo Long and especially Wo Long because the NG++ introduces a lot of changes to enemies and bosses, so tldr don't buy TN dlcs if you don't plan to do NG+ cycles cause that's half the point
i think having 8 slot of spell is a big improvement. although i am not sure do u need dlc for that or not.
I love the Nioh 2 DLC areas. Very unique and memorable for me. Wo Long's weren't that unique or memorable.
@@machineofadream I liked the dlc1 areas especially Yoshitsune
But I feel like I had seen all of the dlc2 areas before and they were more fun in previous versions
Dlc3 area 1 was cool enemy placement was iffy but appearance and atmosphere was awesome sadly final dlc area I am not a fan off
Y'all look like mindless drones after the 2nd dlc dropped. Look at you clowns comparing a sequel with it's complete dlc.
Meanwhile WoLong as of now has one last dlc to go.🤭
I’m enjoying my fists in NG++
I'm having fun with my new spells and fists !
Are you going to play FF16? Making a boss ranking there would be difficult as all bosses are awesome
4:35 i’m pretty sure that’s reusings Mezuki’s moves from Nioh 2 as well lol
5:28 though the earthaquacke doesn't exist, this is also pretty much reused from mezuki's moveset as well, doing a nioh 2 playthrough, and that attack reminded me soo hard to mezuki
I thought it was the giant lightning pig enemy that reused Mezuki's moveset
Ayoe is just the annoying plant boss from Stranger of Paradise with mezuki's head.
Nothing else to this dlc though? They added a new weapon type. New spells. New game ++ with variations. A battle Royale mode. New gear sets. Not including all the quality of life improvements they've added for free with multiple patches.
New weapon type I mentioned adding very little to the game. It's nice but compared to getting a new weapon in nioh dlc? No comparison. Ng++?? Who would wanna replay the game twice after it feels like you've played the same mission 20 times over by the end of first playthroygh when they're all the same? Spells, I barely use them, and pvp isn't my thing. Maybe for someone it's a great addition, but for me as a pve player I got nothing but 1 good boss for the high asking price.
@@magicat7356 not hating on you. You had a great video and valid points. Level design is not great in dlc and story is rediculous lol but the ng++ content is important to me because I see this game as more of a diablo style where higher difficulties are included to keep the challenge up and gear modifications necessary to try different builds. Thanks for the reply! Good luck out there!
well if u dont cate about ng++ then i dont see why u will buy dlc, nioh ng++ was the same too
@@DarealpokgaiI wasn't really into nioh ng++ either. Difference is DLC is new content- ng++ is the same game but with minor changes
@@blackenediron8409 the gear system is plague by abysmal rng of the game in alot of aspects. Martial arts being random on weapons, graces being random on weapons, premium embeds needs unlocking first to embed the affect, and special premium embed being it's own thing makes grinding long and ardious for nothing.
Is there a level missing? Ive 9/10 and no mission to unlock
At the very least with the General of Heaven Illusion fight is that you can counter the summon spells with your own spells that counter that element. Still not a great fight tho
I don’t understand either especially with Nioh you had so much content it was crazy and well worth the price. What happened with Wo Long 🤷♂️👀👀
Correct me if im wrong but what ive seen from strangers of paradise and nioh is that the endgame content usually becomes alot after all 3 dlc have dropped i think everything people say abiut leaving this game is cap
The problem with the bosses is the same as the big bosses in the main game, in that the way to win is that you have to wait for a critical, deflect it, make a couple of quick moves, then back off.
for the most part with these bosses you always have to play passively. if you play aggressively, you pretty much always get punished.
yes, you have new moves to learn, but you're only learning them so you can avoid them, and wait for the red light of a crit move to start.
This makes boss fights wayyyy too long and with Dian Wei they made it even longer because you can stun him when he is in hyper mode. Not sure why you rated him so highly.
Note: this makes the fights longer....not harder. they are just hoping you eventually make a mistake, which in a 20 minute fight is def a possibility because it becomes soooo boring.
The actual souls games have a wide variety of tactics you can play with bosses....wo long has 1.
I think thr problem might be your own approach. It should not take 20 minutes in a single fight. I would always do a spirit attack as soon as there was a break in his combos, which is often. It on average takes me 3 minutes to kill Dian wei, done it in less even
@@magicat7356 not on Ng++ i'll bet.
@@rollcageuk you can only outplay NG++ bosses with cheating build + spamming Wizardry or MA. (Which still involved with grinding ass off for hidden Wizardry and the "perfect" MA move on the weapon because the developers won't allowed switching. Otherwise missing critical counter = dead
Sorry, but that's just not true. All of the bosses have plenty of openings, and you have to use the spirit gauge, especially spirit attacks, to your advantage. I actually would deliberately use slightly underleveled weapons to make the boss fights last a bit longer (not a flex, just a personal preference).
@@Marco1995Mega on NG++ even when you use those openeings, you can only get 1 maybe 2 hits in. the Bosses have so much health it becomes ridiculous.
And you don't need to lie to make a point. you do not under level yourself or your gear just to make the fight longer, so don't pretend you do.
Funny thing is I mostly agree with you. However Im still having some fun with the game.
Considering any more Resident Evil content? I really enjoyed your videos on it!
I actually enjoy every minute except the 2nd and 3rd boss fight we’re an pain and last side mission is super fun
Feels like so much of this game is just missed potential. Played it twice. Performance issues, lack of enemy variety, weapon variety (imo) and a disappointing DLC. I was hoping I’d like this after being disappointed by stranger of paradise.
But as someone who loves Nioh 1 &2, I hope Team Ninja strikes it out with their next title.
Getting kind of sad. I got Wo Long because the Parry system similar to Sekiro interested me but, I don't know. Debating on getting the Season Pass for all DLC but the more I hear about it the less inclined I become.
If you haven't decided yet I can give you insight it is very lackluster. Pretty boring honestly, the only big diff in the new difficulty is the level gap between missions.
Agreed. Played it today and i only got frustrated. This video is spot on. And every negative point he said is true. Save your money for something else.
Melee and weapon arts should have been more viable. Its hardly worth doing anything other than spamming spells. Also morale is just kinda trash but too late to scrap it at this point. Oh well we still have nioh
They didn't even fix the chance to get more than 4 & 3 tier gear and 6 tier isn't even that fells unless. Reinforcements go down too quick to be able destroy the 2 boss spawners. And absolutely hate the final boss
Good point. To me Wo Long was a risky venture by Team Ninja. They really tried to base the whole game around deflection but it's a singular mechanic that limits the rest of the combat. Sekiro was able to do this by varying bosses and focusing on the overall story and gameplay experience. These areas are not Team Ninja's strongpoints. Good effort by TN and I hope their next game will be great.
This game is nothing more than a cash grab to fund Rise of the Ronin. But even Ds3 was supposed to be a cash grab, and that turned out to be amazing.
I’ve never even heard of rise of the ronin
@@colorgreen8728 It was announced at one of Sony's showcases last September, It's developed by team ninja and slated to release in 2024
@@planetxaudio1699 I had no idea lol. Looks like I won’t be buying it because of what’s happened with wo long
@@colorgreen8728nah you'll enjoy it once you hear more from it, it's nothing like that game if anything it's directly from the actual Nioh 1 and 2 gameplay from what I hear and it's open world Japan with exploration from a certain point in history at some point when the west came in nothing like what WL did to us
@@Mad.boi_-mcgee it definitely sounds really good, but so did wo long imo
This game feels like it was made BEFORE the nioh games.
Nioh was peak Team Ninja
I thought you died magicat
Well u do have to change the difficulty thats why u it was showing level 79 ur playing on lowest difficulty
thank you saved me $15 on the season pass
to be fair, wo long is made by team b of team ninja, they don't have experience in making tight action game like team a (team a are those guys who made ninja gaiden and nioh series), they have only developed dynasty warrior so far
Well if this is true, it explains a lot. They dont know how to balance difficulty either IMO. Every hard fight in this game is only hard because they make it unfair(more than 1 boss enemy or cheesy one shots).
Wow..its make sense now..thanks for ur information
I blazed through the first dlc a couple weeks ago and I can barely distinguish any of it from the base game outside of the new enemy types, which was still very lacking. This game is a mixed bag for me because I think the combat and bosses are genuinely badass, but the story, enemy variety, level design, and the overall game structure was a huge letdown. Still a decent purchase, but the whole thing could’ve been so much better.
They just need to make nioh 3, strangers of paradise got better dlc 1 treatment. And that's without the new mobs. Nioh 2 was such an excellent game even with its looter flaw.
as someone who had 1500+ hours in nioh 2 i knew this game wouldn't be any good after playing the demo, it just felt really unfinished and the combat was no where as good as nioh 2, i wish they just made nioh 3 instead of this sad sekiro ripoff with nioh elements
I went back to Nioh 2 after about 10 hours into this game.
Such a shame, really. This game could've been so much better.
Really hoping Rise Of The Ronin is good.
I mean, it's Wo-Long; anyone honestly surprised the DLC sucks?
It's a solid game
@@johannesmattsson9900 Glad to hear you enjoyed it, but I personally did not.
@@BBQcheese I think that's a very reasonable assessment of it.
Yall crazy thos games slaps
Wo long is a good game on the inside, it’s just not really finished. The combat is pretty fun, but that’s really it.
And then they made it even worse with the final sub mission. An even more buffed and over powered version of the F tier boss from before. Without being super overleveled or using a crazy good cheese build, that boss was complete and utter dogshit. The least amount of fun I’ve ever had fighting a boss in a souls like game before.
A shame the dlc isn't great. I might still get it but only if it goes on sale along with the other dlc since I'm guessing there's gonna be more than one for Wo Long.
Would love to see a ranking for Final Fantasy 16 bosses. Don't know if you've played those games but I think you would love the bosses in 16.
Yeah there's two more dlc coming in September and December but honestly? I heard that Team Ninja was great "delivering" great DLCs but in So Long case I can't really tell. 😦
@@tngaming50yeah this one wasn’t very good, hopefully it’s because they’re mainly focusing on their new game instead of Wo Long
yeah martial arts skills need a massive boost as right now they lack a lot of power
Their animation length + effectiveness are the crucial thing they needed to improve. So many 5 stars weapons i have collected with shitty MA because either the MA is impractical or too long to cast and use less than 1 time in combat
@@horizonblack8351 for me its just the damage isn't there hell we should be allowed to change the weapons arts
@@zwei3179 Not to mention the drop rate, NG++ but still get 2 stars 3 stars drop :). Why the F is that happening? Even Nioh 2's drop rate for Ethereal do more work than this.
@@horizonblack8351 yeah makes no sense, new game plus it should be 4 star and five star
++ should be five star and six star
sekiro itself has quite shorter playtime than other FromSoftware games for a reason
Peak
3:05 the recommended level is only low because your in the base game on crouching dragon… go to new game ++ on soaring dragon and then tell me what the recommended level is and how difficult it is
Huh? 99 percent of players are never going to do this DLC or anything else on rising or soaring dragon…. This is a review of the standard experience that the DLC offers which is what a vast majority of the people playing will experience it as.
My point was… at that part of the video you made it seem like the DLC was to easy… by saying the recommended Lvl was only 93 & 100… and how you said that usually the dlc is meant for endgame content not mid game… I was just letting it be known since you didn’t… that if anyone including you finds the dlc too easy… then it ain’t nun to just quickly jump into new game + and fight them at lvl 272… because there they did not do him a disservice with the scaling
@@averagegam3r118 but again, that’s not what he’s referring to so it doesn’t even matter. The standard experience is what 99 percent of people will play, so it being that low level for the first 2 missions doesn’t make sense. Of course it’s scaled better on new game plus and higher, that’s the point of new game plus. And again that’s not what he’s talking about so it literally doesn’t matter.
Dk why they failed they had so much to go off and being team ninja should’ve been a good game but shts ass with the exception of Lu bu and Dian wei
I gave up halfway through wo long. Nioh 2 was much better and I’m still playing the dlc. Still hyped for rise of ronin
I brouhht it after hearing the bad reviews just because i love the game and want to see a sequel. I could never get into Nioh because of the insane difficulty. This game i loved as a lover of sekiro. But damn did they make some terrible game design decisions with missions, levelling and loot and story. I seriously dont know what crack pipe the devolpers are smoking to think this is good, its like theyve never played any other game before. Story writting team should be fired as well as the people who hired them
Story is the same as Nioh albeit still worse because it just reuses the same evil old wizard, it’s definitely not something you should be looking for in these games lol
Team ninja has always been this "quality" with their story lol. Dont expect anything from them in this aspect. Rise of the ronin looks like it might bucks the trend though.
This is why team ninja can't compete fromsoftware, armored core 6 is gonna blows wo long out of the water in terms of best action game
And it did
Team ninja has better combat systems than from software and from software has better world design and lore than team ninja.
cool but your subjective stance is worthy of tree decoration status for yourself
Even Yatsu no Kami better than DLC GEnEral of Heaven. Split out intentionally can have multiple ways to counter but yet more suitable challenging than this living shite
DLC was shit, needs new spells etc as Poison & Lightning spells are useless now, it needs a better drop rate for 6* armour & weapons as I'm sick of fighting that big ape non stop. I'm basically farming abit just to get those & then I'm done until the next installment of DLC.
Ps that big white boss gets melted with fire.
there are new spell, and wtf u mean toxic and lightning are useless now, i apply them on enemy all the time and they helped a lot
@@Darealpokgai the new spells drop randomly, you have to grind non stop to try to get them & they're shit anyway. Poison is trash, I have my poison build up to 300 poison damage & it's useless, the spells aren't great compared to fire, ice or earth.
@@xThe13thWarrior u do kno toxic is to keep all debuff not going away right? not for the damage. My build can do toxic, fire, lightning and ice. and my marital art can do spirit defense debuff and defense debuff, so once toxic is applied, every aliment is gonna be stuck on the boss until toxic goes off, i just need to apply toxic again before those aliment goes off. so unless the boss has high resistance on certain element, i can do 6 debuff on boss for the whole fight. NG++ is all about apply element and debuff. Deflect thos shit is kind of like bonus.
@@xThe13thWarrior in case u wanna kno how i do 4 element. I have virtue of fire and metal very high (using Guiding blade), so my fire and toxic magic can apply aliment very quick. And i have my weapon embed with Water. and I have my wood at least at 12, so i have imbue lightning magic. And then u need to have the buff that increase accumlation for element (i think metal at 9 can have this buff). Then Martial art buff and defuff can get from accessory perk, weapon perk, gear set and gurdian animal.
@@Darealpokgai Fair enough if that works for you, you want to go in & just fight these bosses on Soaring Dragon difficulty & the fight lasting 20 minutes, then that's good for you, personally I don't, I wipe the majority of enemies out very quicky with my fire build & ice build, I beat the monkey on hardest difficulty in 5 seconds with the fire build. Anyway each to their own, poison for me is pointless, lightning too & the new spells ate crap.
Where is the ds2 content we crave?
Wu longs Biggest issue is its itemization , its boring , low 2,3% dmg increases here and there , you never feel satisfied looking through gear and building a cool character build , nioh 1 did it far better , nioh 2 was also heading in the lower dmg% Way which was sad although game was better
But wo long better when lies of p....
The point of the dlc is the content experience in ng++. All of the negative reviews I've seen about this are people who haven't done any of the ng++ content. Sorry you don't enjoy the game. I love it and think this game took all the best things of nioh2 and made a more polished game. Great video layout and audio though!
I like the game!
Saying “a more polished game” than Nioh is a flat out lie. The DLC was not that good. Wasn’t terrible but it’s not that much new content. And it was quite short.
How "good" is DLC then? When it contributes less than nothing? NIOH 2 DLC at least got a proper story to it explaining more details about the time travel and Yokai history. Even the crucial yelling point that gamers always needed is SWITCHING MARTIAL ARTS between weapons isn't showing up. How beach is that? What took so long for their braincell to process or putting their shoes in the gamers experience? Sure that they added "Switching active MA buttons for one single weapon" which had to have since the beginning, their contribution to perfect the game till this day still zill - zero - none. Bore the shite out of the game with end game content when the gamers have to focus on GRINDING for Levels like a dead zombie, plus frustrating towards 5 stars 6 stars items that have shitty enchantment + the randomness of every fricking drop rate from every enemies (without a pacific list what kind of drop do you get out of farming)
This game really only suffers vecause people compare it to nioh.
Games es other than lui bu
A lot of people can't even beat the first boss and say it sucks🤣🤣git gud noobs
such a wasted potential. the combat was amazing
If Wo Long was more like DS2, then maybe it would actually be good.
I think this game has the best combat design, but the bosses are so bad lmao including this dlx
Wo long isn't a run off from nioh because nioh is it's own franchise, wo long is based off DYNASTY WARRIORS
I don't get ppl complain about enemies getting stale while they spam same buttons, same moves, same weapon in elden ring
Because Elden Ring has more enemies than Nioh, Nioh 2 and Wo Long combined.
@@magicat7356 Yet you use r1 and circle against all, and all soldiers have same AI and move sets just with different cloth
Elden Ring has many other things going for it. Gorgeous art style, good music, BOTW inspired exploration, fantastic magic. ER is an evolution of the Dark Souls formula, whereas WL is a devolution of Nioh.
@@nyesExpress ''Art style'' hahahahaha, ''exploration" hahahahahahahaha "fantastic magic" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ER is boring as F
@@amr0017 To each their own I suppose
This game was so garbage compared to nioh 2
They are too busy adding pronouns to the western version, while making a version without for the Saracens and Chinese!
i wish team ninja work on their map/art design more in future games because they know how to make a sick deep and fun combat system but lack the cool aesthetic ad level design is just to genric, this problem was always there even in ninja gaiden
i wish we get a game with nioh 2 combat and darksoul/bloodborne like art direction and level design
No offense.. this game sucks!