Right out of the box, our Dyson Gen5Absolute had a rattle in the carpet cleaning head. Customer service conceded that the part is out of stock with no date for when it will be available (this is a HUGE problem with Dyson), so the unit had to be replaced. Dyson offered to ship us an exchange as soon as UPS received the defective unit. We recorded this conversation. Nevertheless, the next day, after we delivered the defective unit to UPS, customer service informed us that this was untrue. Dyson would not do an immediate exchange, but would ship a new unit only after it received and processed the unit, which would take up to 3 weeks (while Dyson sat on our money and the warranty triggered by our initial purchase continued to run.) In short, Dyson lied. I asked to speak with a supervisor and was assured that supervisor would call me back. No call. Dyson lied again. Even before we bought the unit, we got a bad taste of Dyson’s honesty. Customer service assured us that Dyson would price-match QVC’s sale price. This, too, proved to be untrue. Yet another lie. The vacuum may be great, but beware of Dyson. False assurances and unavailable replacement parts are a REAL problem.
This is actually something commonly observed now, and I fully believe absolutely everything you say. Dyson's 'award winning' customer service has fallen right off a cliff somehow and is utterly terrible now. Whoever is responsible for that division needs firing. You hit the nail on the head when you say "The vacuum may be great, but beware of Dyson". People who hate the facts I present have falsely claimed I'm a biased fanboy for years. Yet even I now would strongly recommend anyone think at least twice before buying any Dyson product, because the after-sales service (as of mid 2024) is truly dire, frustrating, and very very poor. I'd love to see what the rabid vacuum enthusiasts thought of that statement.
@@VacuumFacts They definitely need to address their customer service issues. That's going to hurt them in the long run, because people aren't going to invest in a high quality Dyson vacuum if they don't think that the company is going to back it up. I hope they resolve that problem soon.
I love the detail and thoroughness of all your reviews, this was no different. I've always been a super fan of Dyson and you've only made my appreciation grow. All I have bought over the last 8 years was Dyson and that's all I'll get now. And *this* is the only channel I'll go to for Dyson reviews.
Surely there must be somewhere else respectable on the entirety of the internet for facts and the whole truth. I mean, I don't know where, having looked, but it would be sad and shameful if this channel was unique.
You are Bill Nye, the vacuum guy. You are the Linus Tech Tips of Vacuum reviews with fact-based science-driven information. You are appreciated by the vacuum nerds of CZcams and your hard work isn't lost on us.
Ha some of my comments suggest otherwise. In fact, praise like this will get you accused of being me and self-commenting. Self commenting with all 900 accounts apparently. >_>
It’s worth noting that Dyson is a family business and a private company, distinct from being public, like many of their competitors. This means the Dyson family own the company and have no shareholders. There’re no stock market or outside investor decisions needed, and they make all their own decisions internally. A public company’s primary objective is to become a profit engine for the shareholder investors, and so Dyson as a private company have no pressure to increase their shareholder profits by, say, 30% every year by cutting corners or skimping on product research and development-which is the most expensive thing. Their decisions can therefore be exclusively about the products, and with a long-term view, freeing them to invest hugely more in research and development, take risks, and create new things that are better-often at cost to them-and to target the very highest end of the premium market that is pioneering and progressive. What you therefore get is the highest quality and not some corner-cut, slap-dash, skimped product, pushed out at the expense of a customer, that a faceless corporation is quite happy to take advantage of for that little bit more profit for the greedy shareholders. Dyson’s is a fundamentally different philosophy to business, and is capitalism done much better, less regressively, and without the pollution of the corner-cutting greed element of shareholders. Dyson is not perfect, but it’s far more admirable once you’ve reflected on it and explains why its products are market-leading and everyone else copies, less effectively, and on the cheap-at your expense.
This is a really good point in consideration of a businesses focus. In recent years many public businesses have been pushing to sustain or increase shareholder profits (dividends) instead of making capital investment, reducing debt and actually growing the business potential. Now that we have heavy economic downturn they are hurting in ways that are still presenting as attempts to sustain profits (blaming inflation) and STILL keep dividends at past levels.
This reads like advertising copy. They've been making their products less repairable by putting glue on their circuit boards for example, that's bad from a e-waste pollution standpoint and it feels terrible to be unable to fix the device you spend a boatload of cash on if it has a problem. Being private doesn't automatically mean they're not going to do bad things in pursuit of profit, they just get to be a little less shortsighted about it.
@@HamidKarzai If simply stating facts comes across in a positive light such that you misdetect it as advertising, then they're doing something right. But then you start barrel-scraping and mud slinging in a manner that doesn't fairly look at everyone else equally, which undermines your position. The design of the modern Dyson cleaners is modular so in the unlikely event something breaks (usually due to neglect and abuse) then the part can be shipped out (free under warranty) for swap-out plug-and-play. It almost sounds like you're disgruntled that this approach stops false economies (such as vacuum shops) that do unnecessary work for the most part on these machines. Dyson have eliminated this area, and good for them. If you're suggesting Dyson have done "bad things in pursuit of profit" and cite 'glue on the circuit boards' as an example, I'm wholly unconvinced. I don't think you've said anything meaningful or valid here, which reaffirms the original point as far as I'm concerned.
I really enjoy your video reviews. I may get this for my mother. My girlfriend has the v15 and loves it, i have the Outsize Absolute+ and the Cinetic upright and love both. With people older or who remember the earlier days of cordless, it's difficult to comprehend a battery powered vacuum being able to replace a corded machine. It's also hard to comprehend how well these machines deep clean until you've owned and used one, all while having a sealed Hepa system.
Sadly, only Dyson have achieved it (for reasons outlined in this video). Every other cordless I've tested so far is a cheap clone that doesn't perform and compromises somewhere (weight, run time, performance, usability). Worst of all, understanding and evidencing this has completely evaded the entirety of CZcams, which I find truly incredible. Most of the 'tests' out there, even from popular channels, are so unrepresentative and poorly controlled as to be utterly meaningless, yet many simultaneously like to brag about theirs being "objective" (a step up from their earlier subjective eyeballing), as though that is some substitute trump word for relevance. And that no one notices or seems to recognise this is the most disheartening thing of all. It's like no one is educated in STEM and it's so sad to see because we're deeply worse for it. Technologically, from 2025+ when solid state batteries come out, they'll quantum-leap these machines.
If you want something doing right... While everyone has the right to speak, not everyone is worth hearing. Sadly the internet is polluted to the point of being virtually useless for facts and accurate information.
This channel is a gold mine. I kinda wish Dyson didn’t market these vacuums like the ultimate cleaning machine.(it is still a cordless vacuum) I hope that they make more Canisters with the same tech found on their cordless vacuums
In terms of cleaning performance, ease of use, and environmental impact, all the measurements I made support the conclusion that it very much is the 'ultimate cleaning machine' (by today's standards). The old mains-powered formfactors are a thing of the past and they're not likely ever going back to them in the same way we're not going back to LED candles or horses and e-carts.
@@toucanroombas Yeah, I prefer robot vacuums, but they can't do stairs! Cordless vacs are a great companion. I have learned to go with the vacuum that everyone else tries to copy. IRobot for robot vacs and Dyson for cordless. A brief foray in to the copies leads me back to the leaders. Also, my Roombas and Dysons just keep working and the maintenance is easy.
I always think I won't like it based on the front end marketing. What that doesn't convey though is how it feels. It's so nice to use and such an obvious improvement over the V15 that paper-stats just don't show. If the next model has the features I discuss in the video, then it'll be quite a lauch event.
@@VacuumFacts It sure sounds like it. After watching the video, I'm totally convinced. I just have to wait for it to launch here in the states. It's incredible how much they've managed to cut noise. The V11 I own is such a quiet product already. Thank you very much for your uniquely stellar reviews!
just want to another major thing they did right, aside from the huge 10 cell battery pack, is the suppression of noise. brushless motors especially the most powerful ones, have high pitched noise which is the reason why I'm still stuck with a cheap brush motor cordless vacuum. It is amazing how Dyson suppressed the noise without losing suction, actually added more suction power.
Wow! Best review I saw in a while: thorough, detailed and professional! Thank you, author! Would be glad if you add gen5 & gen5 outsize comparison - so we could decide which suits our needs better.
@@user-md5ek5me9d You said this on two completely different posts. o_0 What kind of paranoid tribal hatred would even make a person spout wild accusations and attack a channel like that for no reason whatsoever. Is it so beyond you that people might actually mean what they say. Batshit some of these people out there...
Thanks, although I've no allegance to Dyson. I do, however, focus on the greatest tech I can find, which just happens to consistently come from Dyson. Liking technology produced by company X doesn't mean I've any tribal loyalty to that company or brand-a simple fallacy many haters that have graced my channel in the past have falled victim to.
Thank you so much for your incredibly detailed review. I have looked at many, and none come close. As a result of your review, I have decided to invest in the Gen5. Keep up the excellent work. Again, thank you.
It fills me with shame that there isn't somewhere else on the entire internet that provides the quality of information many seem to want. You look at all these big popular channels like Vacuum Wars and others that seemingly do this stuff for cash and just wonder how, after reviewing the content, they can be so popular. Something is so very wrong with the way things are done.
@@lorraineelliott1546 And reflect on an organisation that brags about leading our culture with advanced AI, yet suppresses what many consider the better content because it isn't as financially lucrative as popular trash sources. Make it a voting issue; it doesn't have to be this way and we're worse off because of it.
@@VacuumFacts weirdly all I've seen on gen5 are negative stuff and false info also......btw i just bought v15plus like your model and i think they put some of gen5 features with it like new fluffy optic head which was little weird to me🤔.... but good weird though😅
There's so much false information out there. Simple things that anyone worthy of being heard could so easily fact check-like the battery weight for example. But exposing falsehoods and shocking ignorance is what my channel is all about, really.
My V10 is still going strong - despite having a full kitchen wall cupboard and it's heavy tinned contents falling on it the other day. The only thing I don't like about it is the fact you have to change the floor head to the fluffy roller to get the best cleaning results on hard floors. The carpet head tends to flick detritus around on hard floors. I don't think I've ever changed my filter in all these years. I know I bought a cheap one from Amazon and it ended up with a high pitched whistle so I returned it and went back to the old filter. I've always wiped off the external dirt, tap it on the wall outside or the sink and then throw it in the washer on a short cold wash. Comes up good as new each time.
Yeah, head switching is a hassle. I've never used the fluffy head; there's no point; the main head does it all just as well much more conveniently. I think Dyson just keep it going because they invented it and don't want the copycatting competition to be perceived as having something 'useful' that Dyson don't. In a way, they shot themselves in the foot. The modern main head is all you need. In fact, the new ones they're developing look even better. I've made a video about machine washing filters. Very important not to use fabric conditioner because it leaves a slimey coating and blocks it.
@@VacuumFacts I'm sure the newer main head is perfect for all jobs but unfortunately my V10's isn't, on the other hand I can't justify replacing it just to throw it in landfill. Might be knocked about and with a loose battery but it still works brilliantly and with my very good robot vacuum I hardly need to use the Dyson. I completely agree that there is no better vacuum maker on the market.
finally a proper review of the Gen5detect. Commendable they went with 10cell pack, less strain on battery cells for less risk of cell death and more cycle life. One thing missing from this review is samples of noise it makes. It was absurdly quiet from the very first video of the gen5detect on youtube but the guy was just did for a few seconds which I theorized due to the new HEPA filter. Nice tool but the price which for a model that is not yet perfect, like missing LED light on the main brush head
Maybe, but it's hard to show noise level on a video. I showed average noise level, but what I really need is a meter which shows a frequency histogram and a professional sound lab. Take advantage of the 90 day money back guarantee. Main brush head doesn't need an LED. LEDs do nothing at all. At least lasers show dust, but even them I'm not completely convinced by.
@@VacuumFactsI found another video and the brush head indeed louder. it's just amazing how little noise this makes with consequence to suction. I guess most of the resistance is already in the filters before the motor, and little is left in post motor filter. increasing its filtering ability muffles high pitch noise substantially.
The brushhead isn't louder on the Gen5 compared to the V15. The reduction in motor noise isn't because of the increased filtration level, but because of the sound suppression engineering they've built in.
Thanks for a great review! The higher voltage of the battery actually makes the machine more power efficient (or it allows them to use thinner wires keeping the losses same). Indeed, the resistive losses in the conductors are equal to I^2*R, I being the current in [A], R being the resistance of the wires in [Ω], while the power in [W] is V*I, where V is the voltage [V]. Keeping the power constant and making the voltage 36/25.2-times higher means that the current now needs to be that many times lower a therefore the losses of the new model are (36/25.2)^2-times lower (assuming the same wiring so R cancels out). Funny that (36/25.2)^2≈2.041 -- it seems as if they decided to cut the losses in half!
@@VacuumFacts You are right, 50V would make the losses even smaller, but there are other factors to consider. First, the battery of the V15 is made of 7 cells in series each at 3.6V nominal. The Gen5 is 10 cells in series. For 50.4 V it would be 14 cells, probably too many to be practical. On top of that, on-resistance of mosfet transistors gets bigger with higher blocking voltages, which works against the savings due to a lower current. One has to consider all the parameters and what transistors are on the market to make an optimal decision. I just wanted to point out the beautiful coincidence of the resistive losses being half that of V15 (and I know that magnetic losses in the motor is a different story).
@32 bits-of-a-bus Resistive losses are one thing, but have you calculated to quantify the energy losses to compare with losses elsewhere in various components of the entire machine? How do you know the efficiency changes due to electrical resistance halving aren't trivial compared to losses elsewhere?
@@VacuumFacts I just said, that if you increase the supply voltage sqrt(2)≈1.41-times -- leaving everything else the same -- the resistive losses will be halved. Of course, there are other losses there and the overall return is not very great, considering electric motors typically have good efficiency already. I'd guess that V15's motor would be over 85%, quite likely around 90% (including its driver electronics). Of these 10% losses, half could be the resistive loss. By halving it and leaving other losses same, the efficiency would increase from 90% to only 92%. As for your concern that making electrical resistive losses smaller could increase losses somewhere else -- I cannot figure out which part of the machine would be negatively affected by using lower current and higher (but still reasonable) voltage. In fact, by doing so they also probably increased the lifetime of the battery because each cell now experiences lower current and current density on its electrodes (assuming the cells are of 18650-size in both cases). Probably more could be saved by changing the inner shape of the housings for the tube locks. These have rectangular shape with sharp edges, promoting turbulence in the tubes.
I saw your review a few weeks ago, and I’m glad I came across it again. I appreciate how you debunk various myths about cleaning performance and explain how various aspects of the device, like the quality of HEPA filtration work. I’ve been looking to upgrade from a V8 for quite some time and am having a real crisis choosing between a v15s complete and gen5. It’s crazy, but in Australia at the moment, the gen5 is on sale for $997, and the v15 is still over $1300?! The only thing holding me back, is the new battery not being sold by Dyson yet, Floor dok for the gen5 and the many comments on reviews bout excessive clamping on most carpet types even with the gates open.
Debunking is, sadly, necessary when the entire internet is plastered with falsehoods or misleading half-truths. Many sources do a disservice to people who are just looking for all the facts to help make a decision. Even companies deceive people in the same way, as shown. Only education is the solution to help people spot traps and deception. The new solid-state batteries won't be out until probably mid 2025 at the earliest. As for excessive clamping; remember what this video teaches about misleading half-truths. Much of what's out there is falsehood or propaganda. There's a reason why Dyson offers a 35-day money back guarantee; you can try before you buy and bypass the corrupt out there.
I looked at getting other vaccumes, but when I realised that my v6 is still our family vaccume and works amazing and has always been reliable, I couldn't change brands. Just got this vaccume this week (huge upgrade from our v6) and I'm so so glad I stuck to dyson. You can just feel the quality, the power and just the simplicity of it all. We still use the v6 for our upstairs bedroom only now and still works a treat. I do go and try testing other brands, but I think you just can't go past a dyson.
This is consistent with my experience as well, sadly. Dyson have no true competition and that's a total failure of the tech industry and their shareholder-centric economic models that put profit before pioneering technological advancement and polish. Must be quite a treat upgrading from a V6 to a Gen5. Being able to "feel the quality, the power and just the simplicity of it all" is the kind of thing that you just can't capture in a review; you really do have to feel it. I always make this mistake myself; I look at the advertised upgrades over the V15 and almost feel disappointed, but fail to realise that Dyson release only highly tuned products, which you only appreciate when you use it. The Gen5 really is a substantial improvement over the V15. I'm still amazed how much ultra fine dust it's somehow managing to extract from deep down in my carpet that just isn't captured in my current testing. It's the deepest cleaner I've ever used.
A very helpful comparison with the V15. I see most of the benefit coming from quietness, which IMO is underrated in the V15. But otherwise, while I appreciate the ongoing improvements, I don't see this as a big update from the V15 and I'm not wishing to trade in our V15 for this Gen5. The V15 really is a gem and was entirely worth the money. Quietness, filtration and power/battery life are already so good on the V15. BTW I am still very happy with the gimmick-seeming features such as the laser head for floors, the reach-under tool, and the built-in crevice tool of the V15 Absolute.
It's down to budget and need. Most people don't 'upgrade' something like a vacuum, even though I have to pretty much review it relative to the previous generation. But if you're buying this from scratch or a very old version, like a V6/8, then it's a substantial improvement.
i agree, i also own a v15 (have for a while) and was hoping the gen 5 was gonna be a bigger (then what it is) improvement, after seeing the specs/reviews and having a quick little test, i was a bit disappointed, not because its a bad machine, cause its not, its great, but just in comparison coming from the v15, however on the good side it has saved me money for now , but if my v15 completely packs up i will get the gen 5. but as the op stated, coming from the older models, imo from v8 (or older) up to probably the v11 then its a big upgrade, but if you have v12/15, then no, not really. my biggest gripe about dyson stick vacuum's is the price, ive had many dyson vaccums over the years from stand ups, to balls, to sticks, aswell as other brands like shark/samsung etc..... although i do really like my v15, when i compare it to my other models i ve own/ed.... im like yeah its better.... but not an extra 400 euro/pound better..... but i suppose thats the thing with most things, ya pay for the name mostly.
@@rickstergamer7437 We got our V15 Detect Absolute here in the US on sale with a Dok also greatly discounted, so that was one consideration for us. Personally I think the move from an upright to a stick is worth the premium. I hated to have to drag the upright out of the closet and plug it in. And it was so loud. The V15 is so much better than a even the most powerful upright practically speaking IMHO.
@@rickstergamer7437 The Gen5Detect's improvements are actually undersold in my video. The reactive suction really is the most noticeable improvement, and that's hard to capture in a review relative to actually using it. The V15 shouldn't pack up at all for at least 10 years, by design, battery included (as long as it's not abused by using on max mode all the time). The price of the Dyson isn't likely driven by label, but by the cost of original research and development. Competitor clones let their betters do the hard work, and they clone it on the cheap as best as they can around patents. The product doesn't work as well, sullying the original idea they stole, but they can increase both their greedy profit margin and undercut the competition, whilst selling an inferior knockoff to an unsuspecting customer-most of which are sufficiently clueless that these companies get away with it, sadly. Broken economic model, really.
Such a good review as always i love my v15 but i would like to ask how is it possible that you vacuum your carpets on auto if i am not mistaken with the gates in the middle position but when i vacuum my not so thick carpet on auto the brushbar struggles a lot and most of the time stops. I know i can open the gates fully for it to not struggle but then i just dont feel like the vacuum is cleaning the carpet as great or does it have to do something with wattage in eu and usa? (Please excuse my mistakes i am from czechia)😊
I usually have the gates fully closed. On my carpet, this still allows enough air into the head to avoid clamping. Some carpets are more resistant to the flow of air such that when the suction pressure is increased, the airflow can't keep up, and the head clamps. In that case, for those particular carpets, the front gates should be opened to the level that allows enough bleed air in to reduce the pressure difference and avoid clamping. In the near-clamping situation, there will still be near the maximum amount of air flowing through the pile that the carpet will allow. The carpet determines the amount of air that can flow through it for a given pressure and thus how well it is ultimately cleaned. In other words, just because the gates are open in the case when it's clamping, doesn't mean cleaning performance lowers. Many people don't understand this. The basic science is discussed here czcams.com/video/WzkFvMLy-Eo/video.html
Thank you for a considered and educated review! Having genuine functional analysis with genuine effort to discern why technical factors matter is something I genuinely appreciate. Vacuums, like mattresses are marketed in such a sketchy way; deliberate attempt to obfuscate and prevent comparison is de-rigueure for manufacturers. I wish more content creators would look at you as an example of how they could demonstrate products in their chosen field of tech or product.
I wish more content creators who know an industry and know what's going on,...aka the lies,....would inform the public when making videos and reviews like this guy.
Sadly, most content creators don't have a clue or are bought off with a freebie to tell a half-truth. Then there's the tribal, who'll happily shoot down facts if they don't conform to the worldview they'd prefer to be true. Plenty of those types have attacked me on this channel and have their own nonsense / propaganda-rich content, polluting the internet. The problem with YT is that it platforms everyone, including those not worth hearing, so it's down to individuals to filter out the crap if they can. Many don't know how-hence my channel. And the 'lies' are simply a natural consequence of the regressive side of the capitalist economic model choice.
Hope your wallet is ok :/ And I was not expecting you do this review for a few months - years, very surprising And I have to say it was a waste vacuuming that uhh …… “flour” ;)
Nice :D One question I’ve just thought about at 9:00 your chart for the old v15 has higher airflow as you’ve washed the filters over the year so does that mean that it’s not as effective at trapping particles or is that a normal thing with washing filters? Or am I just not reading the chart correct
It's within measurement uncertainty so should be considered identical. I don't have a laboratory to measure any more accurately. It means what I said in the video; no difference and unevidenced suggestions filters 'age' (whatever that means) is a false myth.
Excellent review, thank you. I read that their next cleaner will have a head that can hold water but this is not backwards compatible with any of their older cleaners, including this latest Gen5 model. That’s a shame. I think I may wait for the next generation, although I am really eager to try this Gen5 model.
There are no gear systems like with the mains-powered cleaner head on the cordless models. Their heads are driven directly though and there are no belts, which is the important thing, regardless of the specific approach.
Thanks for the review. Looks like UK & Australia both are getting much more attachment than North America as both standard and Absolute only comes with the standard three motorized heads, build in combo tool and combination tool juar with difference of colour. I just called Dyson and the Low Reach Adaptor for Gen5 (not the same one as V7-V15) is not even listed for order. It really would be a great convenient for Dyson to intergrade the laser into the Digital Motobar since both side of the drive gear of the Fluffy head often collects and clogs with animal hair after each use and I have fully stopped using it since the V15 as I was spending more time unclogging the hair than the time taken for vacuuming. Would love to see Dyson makes a wand attachment like their newly released washG1 for Gen5 for moping the floor instead of a stand alone separate unit that takes extra charger space and more batteries to charge.
@vacuumfacts - any idea why filtration performance is only quoted in boost mode? Why doesn’t it filter as well in lower suction modes? What is the reason for this?
Watching this again it’s impressive how far Dyson’s technology and filtration technology has come! I see the Gen5 HEPA filter that filters down to 0.01 micron is now being put on other models like the V8 and V12 in other countries to give the same level of filtration! 0.01 microns is impressive filtration I’m not aware of any other domestic or commercial's vacuum cleaner bagged, bagless, corded or cordless filtrating down to that high level! I’m surprised Dyson don’t make more awareness of this filtration especially as they are invested in improving air quality and indoor air quality with there other technologies and studies especially seen in their latest video on here! Be interesting to see where the next model takes Dyson in floorcare cleaning! Batteries and motor technology for sure. Maybe some app and internet connectivity may app in the next generation model to feed back useful data to Dyson like their air purifiers do to determine future models!
Detail is the hard part. Sadly, I can't find detail anywhere else on the entire internet. If that's true, it would be a very sad reflection of humanity.
This has to be the most in-depth vacuum review I’ve ever seen. Fantastic work. I think it would be cool if the machine used the particle counter combined with a reading of motor resistance and run time to give more accurate filter cleaning recommendations instead of just an arbitrary “clean every xyz” interval.
Reality is that the filter rarely needs cleaning because of blockage (on the assumption the user hasn't gone above the max fill line and ideally empties after every use). The cyclones are the most efficient by far on the market and leave very little left for the filter. In cheap, rip-off bagless clones, the filter is far more involved in dust capture and needs rinsing relatively excessively. The bags in bagged machines are the filter and clog very quickly, as shown in the recent review of the Henry Quick cordless. The monthly recommendation by Dyson is mostly to control odours, should some suffer from that, because they collect smelly material (e.g., pet dander). I have a video on my channel showing what happens if you don't rinse a Dyson filter: czcams.com/video/T3prXR-aeOg/video.html
3 disadvantages of this vacuum cleaner. The first one is the most serious - a new, more powerful motor has been used with greater suction power/vacuum, and the power of the electric brush motor has not been increased, as a result of which it stops even on low carpets, or in order for it to work, you have to open gaps or reduce the power of the vacuum cleaner, which in turn reduces the effectiveness of vacuuming. The electric brush can slow down and stop even in Medium/Auto mode, not to mention Boost mode. Therefore, there is a stronger suction power, which cannot be used due to the same electric brush as in the V15, not adapted to the higher power of the Gen 5. The second disadvantage is that the battery is so long that if you use a nozzle inserted directly into the vacuum cleaner, the bottom of the battery catches on the surface being vacuumed or even the rod may come loose, hitting the edge of, for example, the seat of the chair you are vacuuming. The third smallest disadvantage is the complete removal of the finger button. At this price, Dyson should have used two buttons, one on the top and one under the finger. The one under the finger would work as before, i.e. if pressed, the vacuum cleaner would be turned on and if it was not pressed, the vacuum cleaner would be turned off, while the one at the top would turn on the vacuum cleaner permanently, regardless of the position of the button under the finger. The last two minuses are things that are not that important, but the first one - the inappropriate power of the electric brush and the use of the same one that is in the V15 - is a big mistake and Dyson should immediately correct it by releasing an electric carpet brush that can handle higher suction power and not will slow down and stop while vacuuming.
>> “…a new, more powerful motor has been used with greater suction power/vacuum, and the power of the electric brush motor has not been increased, as a result of which it stops even on low carpets, or in order for it to work, you have to open gaps or reduce the power of the vacuum cleaner, which in turn reduces the effectiveness of vacuuming.” This shows a surprisingly common lack of understanding of basic physics. If a carpet is restricting the suction-alleviating flow of air into the cleaner head such that it clamps, then the airspeed is reduced, reducing the effectiveness of cleaning. Opening the front gates alleviates clamping but does not reduce cleaning effectiveness in this case, since airspeed through the pile is not increased. Vacuum cleaners with weaker suction clamp less, but also don’t generate the airspeed through the pile necessary for effective cleaning either. The two problems therefore are with lesser cleaners and air resistant carpets. There is no issue here and simply requires understanding. >> “The second disadvantage is that the battery is so long that if you use a nozzle inserted directly into the vacuum cleaner, the bottom of the battery catches on the surface being vacuumed or even the rod may come loose, hitting the edge of, for example, the seat of the chair you are vacuuming.” I’ve never experienced this once and have seen no evidence it’s a widespread issue. Other designs from knockoff clone products have bin positions which actually do hit surfaces when using turbine tools, as evidenced in my reviews. >> “The third smallest disadvantage is the complete removal of the finger button. At this price, Dyson should have used two buttons, one on the top and one under the finger. The one under the finger would work as before, i.e. if pressed, the vacuum cleaner would be turned on and if it was not pressed, the vacuum cleaner would be turned off, while the one at the top would turn on the vacuum cleaner permanently, regardless of the position of the button under the finger.” I agree and have argued this best-of-both-worlds case before. The loss of a trigger was a retrograde, as discussed in the review. A button can be useful when above-floor cleaning. >> “inappropriate power of the electric brush and the use of the same one that is in the V15 - is a big mistake and Dyson should immediately correct it by releasing an electric carpet brush that can handle higher suction power and not will slow down and stop while vacuuming.” I’m not convinced there’s any ‘mistake’ as discussed above. They’re making a new head with two cantilevered brush bars (similar to a double hair screw tool).
@@VacuumFacts Thank you for your explanation. I will add here that I have recently been using Gen 5, and previously V15 for over 2 years, hence my conclusions. As for the new brush you write about at the end, the question is whether it will fit Gen 5 and how the center itself will be solved and whether there will be a dead spot there, because there are two brushes coming out from the center in both directions. And isn't this brush just a small version for removing hair from upholstery or armchairs?
The new floor head is cleverly designed so there's no gap/dead spot and it detangles hair far better than noisy, wear-creating combs. I suspect it will not be designed for older models owing to likely different power requirements (it may have more than one motor, but maybe not). It's still being developed, along with many other very interesting technologies, but might appear in the next generation of products. End of 2025 will also see the emergence of Dyson's fundamentally new battery technology that will hugely elevate their cordless products to new levels.
16:04 The V11 did not have an epicyclic drive. It actually had a direct driven out runner motor. I disassembled my broken V11 Torque head to harvest anything that could be useful.
@VacuumFacts Sorry to write here - I couldn’t find contact info for you. Question: I have a Dyson Cyclone V10, which I’m pretty happy with, but the rear filter cylinder gets covered in fine grey dust (on the purple fabric outer side with the water tap icons) after a few runs around my house. From what I’ve seen in your videos on more recent models, the cyclones really should be capturing more of this into the bin rather than having it accumulate on the rear filter, right? Rinsing and letting thoroughly dry leaves my unit out of commission for a couple days, so I bought a couple replacements, but this is just really disappointing. From this description, do you expect it might be a problem with my unit, or instead is this the state of things from the V10 era and it’s improvements since then that would avoid this? Thanks and I love your videos!
Filters capture dust and they therefore get dusty. The rate of dust reaching them in normal operation is increased if dust is allowed to reach above the skirt / max fill line, as this eliminates the function of the primary cyclone in the clear bin. Emptying after every use (which takes about 5 seconds) will prevent this. Without a clear methodology quantifying accumulation rate as a function of precisely controlled behaviour, it's hard to make further comment on your specific situation. It is well evidenced that little dust reaches the filters when used as outlined in the manual, as I've also shown on my channel. Even when dust reaches the filter, it is unlikely to clog sufficiently to reduce performance. Filters should be rinsed monthly, regardless, to minimise odours. Drying can be sped up with the aid of a cool fan. This is covered in videos on my channel. The relative rate of accumulation of dust on filters is considerably lower on Dyson machines than any other product because their cyclones are better than anything else out there.
Greetings again! I just had a question for you about Dyson quietly updating the gen5. I noticed a lot of reviews have 262 airwatts, and there seems to have been a refresh in the last few months with Dyson advertising 280 airwatts now. Have you looked into this? Wonder why the change?
Unclear. Probably a oneupsmanship game with competitors to compensate for the numerically significant idiots that think the size of an advertised number is directly related to something beneficial despite clear evidence to the contrary that they seem oblivious to, even when it's pointed out explicitly to them.
That’s what I was thinking. It’s just odd that Dyson would play into such behaviours. I was confused cause the numbers have changed but the model number remains the same here in Australia
They've been doing it for quite some time. They removed the trigger for a start and promote large numbers. You only need to watch my review discussing how competitors market filtration numbers to see the level of corruption and desperate desire to pander to shocking ignorance.
I have had a Gen5 detect for a week. I keep getting airflow obstruction and pulsing. I empty, clean, take it apart clean, can’t find any obstruction. Filter wasn’t overly dirty but in the end decided to wash it. Left it to dry completely for a few days, only for it to happen all over again. Any idea why this would be happening? I’m not vacuuming up stupid things but I’m at a loss as to what’s going on. I’ve checked everything, cleaned everything and I just don’t know.
Always hard to tell anything associated with troubleshooting from merely a written comment. If it says airflow obstruction then there must be an airflow obstruction. You've thoroughly checked the entire linear airpath from head, through wand, into machine entry for clear visual line of sight? There always Dyson support. There isn't really enough information to identify a problem here.
I only just got the V15 Detect Extra, I opted to get this version that came with the HEPA filter, detail cleaning attachments (including the amazing dusting brush) and the built in crevice tool, which I think is great. I think I would still go for V15 over the newer version because it is about £190 cheaper than the gen5 and is an excellent vacuum. I am admittedly jealous of the new battery, noise and improved filter but £660 was already a stretch for me.
Yeah. It's just unfortunate that Dyson didn't reduce the price of the V15 with the release of the Gen5, as discussed in the video. The inferiority of the competing tech industry is likely partly responsible for that, which is deeply shameful and embarrassing for them.
I love my V15 Absolute (the one in my market with the built in crevice tool) and personally don't think the quietness and filtration gains are worth upgrading to the Gen5, but boy do I appreciate the continuing improvements to what is already an amazing lineup from Dyson.
@@gyozakeynsianism Having used it more, the real improvement to the Gen5 is actually the reactive suction. It really is hugely better than the V15. Somehow the Gen5 manages to extract so much ultra fine dust from so deep within the carpet, especially in some historically heavily soiled spots. It hugely outcleans the V15 in ways my limited testing doesn't show and that no other cleaner has achieved. If the next version has the projection display (so the runtime etc. is shown near the floor tools rather than the handle), the new cleaner head that outperforms current ones using much less energy (lower air speed), the auto-bleed valve in the head, and a solid state battery, it will be quite an upgrade.
THE biggest reason to splurge and get the G5d over the V15d is if you have dexterity issues. Hand fatigue from holding the trigger + the weight of the unit would be a valid reason in why you choose to purchase the G5d vs the V15d or V12ds. It seems Dyson is thinking about ergonomics and not only how their products are used, but are held as seen in the weight re-distribution balancing, and reintroduction of a power button, and redesigned grip with padding.
Not sure I agree with all that. It's a myth-or complete and utter failure to use common sense-that you need to press the V15 trigger with any force to activate. It's literally feather-touch by design and just holding the machine normally, as though there isn't even a switch there, will activate it. Hands don't get fatigued from 'pressing' anything, because you don't need to press; you just hold it in exacly the same way as the Gen5. Suggestions to the contrary are propaganda or ignorance (or lack of common sense during ownership). There are also disadvantages of the trigger loss, and I've not yet experienced any advantages of a button. In fact, it's hassle now having to constantly use a second hand to turn it on and off every few seconds during periods when it doesn't need to be on. The V15 was weight-distributed well for the motor size and weight at the back, and far better than any competitor machines I've tried. The Gen5's padding is a nice touch. But there are far more reasons to get a Gen5 over a V15 (if a buyer is so inclined) than these minor cosmetics. The technical reasons are discussed in the video.
I agree that the trigger is actually better. You don't have to do anything other than hold the handle correctly to use it. The downside for me, was all the accidental using of the trigger, especially when emptying.
@@dinglebat63 I have few year old Xiaomi cleaner and I found that holding that trigger for prolonged time I can definitely feel. And I have large hands but if you hold it for 15 minutes then definitely you can tell a difference and it becomes not natural for your index finger. I don't understand why this is good for on a vacuum cleaner ? I found I hold it pressed all the time I vacuuming so button for me would be much better choice. Just press it at start and press again at the end. Simply as that. Why should I pull the trigger all the time?
@@misenko856 I don't find holding the trigger on my Dyson to be tiring. I was afraid it would be a problem, but it's not. It's just natural to hold while vacuuming and it saves battery power. Probably the Xiaomi isn't as ergonomic.
Very informative video. I'm curious about the laser vs LED lights. Brightness isn't the only important thing. I feel like the LED light has more diffuse scattering and lights up the floor and area instead of highlighting just the dust. What is your experience in real world use? (I get your point about methodical cleaning but it's very helpful when I miss a spot or to see just how much dust is in a tough to access spot)
My V15 review ( czcams.com/video/noCLwXCVDsk/video.html ) explains my position on the laser after it was first released. I don't miss spots. The only exception I allow for is under furniture with chairs in the way etc.
@@VacuumFacts I understand your view on the laser but my question was more about if the newer LED "fluffy optic" head is actually an improvement over the "laser slim fluffy" in real world use for making dust/debris visible to the user. I would love to hear your take since you have them both and are very objective.
Well, it's brighter for sure, but I never found it showed dirt that much in daylight anyway. Dirt is either big enough to see anyway or too small to see, even with a laser (in a well lit room). I never really use it to be honest because head switching is a hassle. It does show dust from further away though.
@@VacuumFacts Just an update... I got to test them both side by side in my home and found the LED fluffy optic to be superior at showing the dust in various settings compared to the old laser slim fluffy head. I suspect it's due to the laser brightness being limited by regulations.
@@radicaltyro Yes, that was my experience. The laser is a comparable class 1 type on both machines (eye safe) but lensed differently to highlight more dust. Ultimately, nice as it is cosmetically, it's a bit academic for the reasons outlined in both my reviews.
Why? There's literally no good reason to, especially given the evidence already available of the performance deficit and other practicality problems with Kobolt machines, as evidenced very clearly here czcams.com/video/ZmzG8XOQAeQ/video.html
They probably could have. This is not an advert, though; it's an attempt at a decent review-namely a collection of facts about the technology and the evidence. It's to ensure others out there know the full truth-not just a cherry-picked half-truth-that cuts through the marketing and the propaganda.
@@VacuumFacts I've enjoyed your videos over the years and know you are a fan of Dysons. And truth be told, I am as well - at least of their stick vacs.
Their tech is good, despite what some naysayers would like you to believe. I have tried other products, but they are naff, as my reviews show with evidence. Unless these other companies invest as much as Dyson in R&D, they'll unlikely ever produce as market-leading a product. I'm predicting 2025 will be a revolution year as well for cordless stick vacs.
I recon the near £1k price tag is paying for the new battery factory. Amazing review I actually watched it twice which I don’t normally do 😂. I’ve got the v11 disappointed that if it accidentally falls it normally results in the trigger breaking 😢. I’m not going to get the gen5. Feel the the tool heads don’t match the vacuum unit yet. It’s sad that in Australia they get more tool accessories, but in the UK 🇬🇧 Dyson seems to have forgotten us as his own. Remember James most of us on here bought the DC01 and have been loyal customers.
This is factually and observably incorrect and the evidence is shown in the video and discussed. Why do you think that specifically? Are you basing this on evidence? If so, send it along for review. If not, then you might want to think what happens at a microscopic scale once a HEPA filter reaches the "needs replacement" condition that you're assuming. Essentially, do you understand how HEPA filters work? The only good question is why their air purifiers don't offer washable filters rather than having to replace them.
Would this Dyson Gen5 be worth upgrading from the Dyson Cyclone V10 Animal + Cordless Vacuum Cleaner? I got it on sale for $399.00 At Costco and can return it (lifetime guaranteed money back or replacement model, if anything at all goes wrong) What extras features or performance would I be getting?
Whether it's worth upgrading is for the buyer to determine, as it's their money. What you would be gaining can be determined by looking at the reviews of the V10, V11, V15, and Gen5 on my channel, which outlines the history of changes. I've produced a new playlist containing them all inspired by your comment to help czcams.com/play/PLBxUOcW7kaEtTYxbNn9-tE4In8AMGYY6A.html
The main features I suppose are much better cleaning performance, better head design that handles large particles, fast reactive suction, superior HEPA filtration, much better tools, better and more comfortable overall user experience, much quieter, and longer runtimes.
Hej :) Do you have numbers on the sucktiom power of the Gen5 on the different modes compared to the V15 ? I am bad at reading the diagram you made, that a sadly to many lines for me 😅
Suction isn't directly relevant ( see czcams.com/video/WzkFvMLy-Eo/video.html ). Cleaning performance is. This is carefully shown in direct comparison to the V15 in the video without lots of lines.
@@VacuumFacts how can i ask then, i more wanna know if i just can run the Gen5 on eco/low and how does it then compare to other vacums on higher settings :)
You need to make careful, representative empirical measurements in a controlled and reproducible way (i.e., basic science). This has been done (as best as can be by an individual without a laboratory) and is shown in the video you're commenting on. FYI: Eco/low mode is a special case mode not intended for normal use. It's for very long (and boring) sessions for which it's not reasonable, for some reason, to break up into bite sized cleaning sessions, as is more desirable for many these days. There are other factors to consider too beyond cleaning performance in a given mode (whose power and performance vary between products, as the data shows), such as run time in those modes. Everything you've currently asked for is in the video you're commenting on. If you're "bad at reading the diagram" I made yet are interested in more technical information like "how does it then compare to other vacums on higher settings", then you need to invest more time and effort to understand it. It's fairly straight forward and shows how effective a given machine is at gradually extracting dust from a carpet. The higher the line, the more that's extracted.
@@VacuumFacts i think I did not ask properly either, I couldn’t get much of the graph because there where to many lines and they overlapped anyway so I couldn’t tell much of it apart or se any differences. So my question was also more I the way of if I buy a Gen5 and because it’s „more powerful“ could I for example just run on ECO and it would compare to medium on a v15. What does the more powerful look like an compare to etc :) But great you take it as some form of feedback, at first I though you got somewhat pissed/ mad at the comment.
Hi, I don't speak English, I'm using the translator, I want to get a good vacuum cleaner, so do you recommend me to get the latest Dyson model the Dyson Gen5detectᵀᴹ Absolute, or do you recommend another model? thanks bye.
The Gen5Detect is the best available I've come across. However, when it comes to purchasing, you need to review the evidence available to you and make your own decisions.
Any problems with the machine flexing where the tube meets the canister? I've been having problems with a v15 detect. The machine doesn't feel secure when cleaning carpets. Already had an authorized service center repair but still not sturdy feeling. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Not sure what you mean by ‘flexing’, and I’ve never seen it quantified in any meaningful way to demonstrate it’s actually a real thing. I’ve never seen any evidence that, whatever ‘flexing’ means, is in any way detrimental to the machine being successfully used as designed and intended. I’ve also observed no evidence of any significant loosening of joints at modular component connections in any of the products I’ve used. I believe it to be a subjective myth, but I welcome objective evidence quantifying this ‘problem’ for a careful inspection (words and testimony aren’t evidence).
@Vacuum Facts the authorized service centers told me they replaced the cyclones but I'm not sure how that would remedy the problem. The problem is minimized if I use the laser fluffy head. I use my machine on a daily basis as I have a lot of dark hardwood floors to keep clean. My machine is the original V15 Detect with the purple filter cap. My machine doesn't have the built-in crevice,so maybe that makes a difference. The connection on my machine seems ok but the flexing or wiggling of the tube has left me baffled. I called the Dyson support line describing my problems and got little resolve. I asked for a replacement tube and was told it was on back order.I own several Dyson products and have had very few problems over the years. Should I upgrade to the Gen5 Detect or Gen5 Outsize and just use the laser fluffy head on it and the motorized floor tool on the new machine since that's the only time the flexing movement of the tube is noticeable. Thanks for any advice you can give.
Really, I'm left with my original comment. I've seen no evidence it's a real thing distinct from basic mechanical spring or causes any quantifiable issues whatsoever. I await real evidence. If you call Dyson, they have to do something to fullfil their obligations and usually send out replacement modular parts, but this isn't evidence of any real problem. Whether you choose to upgrade is your decision to make based on budget. I've seen no evidence of a real problem of 'flexing' to distinguish from a subjective myth on any machine and so I can't comment on any product on this topic.
@Vacuum Facts my warranty ran out about a month ago. Is there an easy way to send you a video of the problem? If I stand the machine upright I can hold on to the battery and it will wiggle a small amount at the tube connection point at the machine.
CZcams. It would be nice to review hard evidence (distinct from any old video) quantifying exactly how it stops the machine from functioning to distinguish it from a subjective cosmetic gripe. And then evidence of how to reproduce any genuine failure to show it's a repeatable design problem.
I don't either. They're less snobby and more tribal, ignorant, and hostile, demonstrating a very low capacity to think things through and accept evidence. It's very bizarre watching them, and their propensity to spread falsehoods (or half-truths) on tribal grounds was the inspiration for this channel-to neutralise it with evidence and education. And then you get the showy popular channels that are led exclusively by the money, with historically free review products and loads of YT advertising revenue (I refuse to accept either), but that provide trivial cosmetic reviews that often mislead and get it wrong. Such a mess out there, but that's the majority of humanity for you, sadly.
In real life, can you tell the difference/ergonomics between gen5 and V15? Motor unit is 200g heavier and I guess 400g with brush but is this difference noticeable? I like the idea of a button because on my current vacuum cleaner I have trigger and I can definitely feel my index finder after 15 minutes of holding it. It starts to be not natural after some time even though it's very light touch. I never understood the concept of this because I always press the trigger on start and release at the end.
No, in the video I mention it's hard to tell the difference in weight or inertia between the V15 and Gen5Detect. The latter is more comfortable in the hand due to the cushion and weight distribution from the battery dimension changes. The trigger on the V15 does not require 'holding' since it is feather touch. The amount of force you need to apply to activate it is exactly the same as the amount of force you have to apply to the Gen5Detect handle to hold that in your hand too. Many people let go of the trigger during a cleaning session if moving something or to somewhere else. The problems of a button are highlighted in the video. Personally, I find it's a step backwards in usability.
@@VacuumFacts Thanks for reply. Need to watch the video once again :) I never had Dyson so probably the trigger is different than on xiaomi C1 cleaner but there, while it's very easy to touch and hold I can feel it after some time. It's hard to explain. Maybe it's in my brain or probably Dyson is better in this area. But from what I've read Dyson did this change because of customer wishes so don't know :) Probably it depends how you use it. I simply take the cleaner, trigger button and vacuum the whole basement in one run so for me this trigger makes no sense. But I can see the use with spot cleaning, there it's pretty convenient. But I often found out I started the cleaner randomly when moving back to the station or during a cleaning. It was somehow annoying to keep attention to not press the trigger. You know if you move it you need to still hold it tight and make sure you don't pull the trigger so your index finger is not in natural position since you hold the handle only with 3 other fingers. Just a strange feeling overall but everyone is different.
Bit OT. I've seen no official announcement from the manufacturer that it's been discontinued (distinct from having no stock), but perhaps you know more. Either way, a simple fact-check reveals there's still lots available to buy online. Alternative equivalents are discussed in the zorb-releated videos and comments and a simple web search for microsponge carpet cleaner can help you there.
I commented on an official Dyson post few weeks ago and they came back to me to say they no longer sell the Zorb powder. I Suspect any that is available online of from retailers is outstanding stock of it. Shame they no longer sell it but there must be a reason for it. Hopefully they will bring it back in the near future!
@@Dysonballs Yeah, I noticed there was none on Amazon or their website the other day and concluded the same. There's alternatives. I just had some delivered (google for microsponges). Envirodry sell them.
@VacuumFacts least there are alternatives to buy! I wonder if they are developing something new for dry powder cleaning especially with them recently launching the submarine mop head! Sure time will tell! Eagerly awaiting the launch of their solid state battery technology soon.
Hi, greetings from Canada Thanks for your review. I’ve reviewed your full review of the Gen 5 and many others but am having a hard time choosing between the v15 absolute with the hepa filter and upgraded wand or the Gen 5. They are on sale for the holidays The v15 absolute is 799.99 The Gen 5 is 899.99 Is the Gen 5 worth the extra $100 in your personal opinion based on your research and own experience with both devices. Happy holidays
Hi, these look like they would be really good for people with allergies. Can you provide any recommendation for people who would struggle to afford a Dyson? Even the Dyson V8 is a huge cost that would be a struggle. Are there any good air driven turbo heads that you can recommend to pair with a Nilfisk One? I realise that one would need to do multiple slow passes to achieve good results on carpet. What is the best, healthiest option for low income?
Well, any "whole machine HEPA filtered" product should give HEPA13 grade filtration. In terms of performance and ease of use, it really is down to budget after that. Older Dysons are cheaper to buy (wouldn't go below a V10 for mains equivalence). If they're too expensive, then ones in the sale or second hand ones on eBay are an option. You get what you pay for though, so any cheaper still will be a knockoff product which doesn't perform as well (although, there are many expensive clones which don't perform that well either, as comparative testing shows). I've reviewed a range of products from various brands (see my playlists).
Hi, thanks for your detailed reply. When you say "for mains equivalence" do you mainly mean the battery wont last long enough? The V8 is about half the cost of the V10 where we are. The battery may be good enough in low power mode @@VacuumFacts
I meant mains-equivalent cleaning performance. The V10 onwards performed comparably to mains machines. In fact, in auto mode, they've now exceeded the cleaning performance of all but the very highest end mains machines (e.g., the latest and final Dyson upright). In boost mode (which you're not supoposed to use by default or harm the battery; just spot cleaning), the V15 onwards outclean even those mains machines, which is astounding. In 2025+ when solid state batteries finally appear, run times should also be all but a thing of the past.
6:48. Ive noticed this ever since the v10. Th v8 and below's max suction power was enough for carpet use without struggling to push the unit They limit max suction to a certain point until you either use the main cleaner head or the fluffy on hard floors or any of the suction attachments. Then it will use the full advertised suction. You can tell on the change of the tone the motor produces. So it really makes no sense to have the extra power except for bragging rights and to flex your engineering muscles to show what you can produce with such a small yet highly technical digital motor. Its like owning a dodge hellcat redeye with 797 horsepower when ur never gonna use all that massive power on the street. Then again max should only be used for those rare heavy duty cleaning moments anyways
The real problem is that using boost mode is too energetically expensive for the limited energy supply provided by current battery technologies within a certain weight and volume limit. Come 2025+ when their solid state batteries appear, this should allow much longer run times in higher power modes. This achieves better cleaning but can cause clamping if pressure within the cleaner head falls too low. This is likely to be alleviated optimally with a variable auto-bleed valve being developed apparently. So in the future, you can have your cake and eat it; boost-like performance for long enough without excessive clamping (bit like their final mains machines).
There doesn’t appear to be any official date for the launch of the Gen5 in the USA. There is a trademark name Dyson has registered Gen5Outsize so maybe they want to launch both the standard Gen5 and the Outsize version of it together at some point in the USA!? So it looks like they have plans to update the Outsize model with a Gen5 version!
Can I reattach the fluffy head without turning off the vacuum? I’ve noticed that the fluffy head’s green light doesn’t turn back on if I do, and I’m forced to restart the vacuum.
You can physically reattach it. But it won't reconnect without a restart. This is why the trigger was better. You had to let go of the trigger to change the head which turned the machine off.
Thanks for confirming! For a moment I thought that I got a faulty one. Yeah, I can see your point about the trigger. Wasn’t it tiring on your hand though? I was reading reviews pointing to the fact that their hand was sore at the end of the cleaning session
No. Holding the handle activated the machine without any additional force; there was no need to press anything. It's the same effort as now with the separate button. People's complaints made no sense and suggested they didn't understand how to use a feather-touch trigger.
Watch this Gen5 review video you're commenting on all the way through, then this video czcams.com/video/11agqY2g1rM/video.html , ask any questions, then make a decision.
If by "really good" you mean HEPA13, then many vacuum cleaners have that and it's not clear why you single out a Miele product, which are relatively mediocre. Is it whole machine hepa filtered? (citation required). Lifetime, rinsable filters, or throwaway ones? Do they do the primary filtration work like poor technology, or are they a last line of defense that receives relatively very little dust-loading? Which model are you even talking about? All very vague... Even then, we know it's possible to achieve the level of filtration Dyson's latest machines now offer, so it's poor that others don't. They're relatively polluting in comparison now.
@@VacuumFactsMiele bagless vacuums are horrible I ain’t defending those I’m just talking about there bagged vacuums are pretty good at filtration yes it’s not better than the gen 5 buts still very good for most people
It's like with Apple (and everything else, but I guess apple started this craziness and others just learned), sadly. Basically same product as predecessor with minor improvements for a 30% higher price. In the past when there was a new model, the price was +/- the same as the previous model at the time of release and now every single year the price for a new model is higher while the price of the old model keeps it price at the day of release. Ridiculous.
11:46 It seems the 0.5 to 4.2 micron size range is referring to the separation efficiency of the Jet Cyclone technology. They don't say what size particles the filtration system can trap at 99.999% efficiency, but I highly doubt it's 0.3 microns or smaller.
They very explicitly state it's the filtration performance of their machine following the IEC test standard using their boost mode (i.e. the best they can get). They capture 99.999% of particles to 0.5 µm in size (i.e. easy, huge boulders). It's not as impressive as it sounds, and they patronise the customer by hoping they are too ignorant of what all this means to see through their snake oil and inferiority relative to their better competitor's technology.
@@VacuumFacts Yeah I agree with you. It seems like the multi-cyclonic design's of Dyson's competitors doesn't quite match up to Dyson's Root Cyclone and Radial Root Cyclone technologies, and of course the Cinetic cyclones have no competition that can match it. I'm glad that I bought a Dyson for myself for Christmas lol
Well, while I wouldn't assign much in the way of credibility to shopping channels when it comes to facts and details, in this case, it's because it's true; they do have HEPA filtration, just of a lesser grade than newer models, as you might expect.
@@VacuumFactsThank for you fast answer! Your right about the shopping channels. But before the Gen 5 I overhaul an interesting point: So far I can tell it Dyson itself never use the word "Hepa (13, 14..)" in their own Videos or on their own sites so I was confused. So thank you for your clarification, very important I think!
@@VacuumFacts great, thanks! Just placed an order for this vacuum based on your very informative video. Have owned a v8 and a v10. Was deciding between this or the v15 😁
Filter Queen has been dethroned in the filtration category lol. Their filtration efficiency is 99.98% @ 0.1 microns, so seeing 99.99% efficiency from the Gen5 is amazing. If I can save up the money someday, I would love to get one.
The Filter Queen does not specify the size range associated with their "99.98%" claim on their (broken and ugly) website. They don't even make the claim it's HEPA grade or whole machine HEPA filtered. Even their replacement filters page doesn't specify. It's almost certainly not therefore. Even their cordless stick vac, Dyson clone, bandwagon jump product claims to be HEPA filtered but fails to specify the size range and capture efficiency. These are not the hallmarks of a reputable product, as discussed in this very review video. There's nothing about their products as advertised or the way they work that's impressive at all. You'd be better saving up and getting the next model, which looks to be radically different from their current models.
The Jet 90 was the machine I tested and had data for at the time. I don't have access to the new machine. There's no good reason to think its performance will be on par with the best, given the specs and details provided by the manufacturer. There's very little fundamentally different technology. Much of what's said in the jet 90 review will remain valid, but the cleaning performance will, qualitatively, likely be a bit better but not up there with the best. The technology is fundamentally inferior than the best products on the market (as covered in the jet 90's review), but is slightly cheaper.
I fact, the more I read about that product, the more of a scam it seems to be. It costs £999! That's so outrageously ridiculous, people would literally have to be stupid to fall for that. It has much of the same core technology and design choices already shown to be inferior in the Jet90 review. There is better tech out there for a lower price.
Unless all other reviewers are Samsung fanboys, i dont see much difference between the bespoke jet and the dyson. Both on hard floor with the soft brush and on carpets. In some tests ive seen the dyson was even outperformed. Regardless, the bespoke jet can be found for 400-500 euros. I dont think its a bad price at all considering it comes with the cleaning station and similar performance. I also think it looks less tacky than the dyson. But personally i dont see the superior technological advancements over the bespoke jet. Ofcourse, dyson makes excellent products though.
I'd recommend watching my Jet 90 review. czcams.com/video/11agqY2g1rM/video.html The core technologies are present in the bespoke which were clearly evidenced to be inferior. It's motor is more powerful now, and so is likely to achieve better cleaning performance (by brute force rather than efficiency), but there's no reason based on available evidence to think it exceeds the best on the market. All the other drawbacks outlined in the earlier review will apply based on the information available by the manufacturer. The price is completely unjustified. Can you link to the tests which you referred to? I suspect they show the same common flaws always seen in almost all youtube testing which makes it unrepresentative and unreliable. Please can you also cite where the bespoke jet is available for £400-500 Euros? Something doesn't sound right about that and it would only serve to highlight the scam price the retailer expects you to pay. Only RRPs count-sales and discounts are conditional and transient and not apples-to-apples price comparisons.
at £850 this machine is reserved for the extreme vacuum enthusiast or exhibitionist. believe we are also getting to a point of diminishing returns, maybe i am just upset i just got a v15 a few days ago lol.
I wonder if they wouldn't be better off pricing it $100 cheaper. The revenue from more sales at a lower price amy be more that that with the higher price. That $850 really makes it a niche product.
Not having access to sales figures or any other internal company information which informs decision making, I of course, couldn't say. The sales success of one of their products is also none of my concern, not being a beneficiary in any way.
I'm very tempted by their vacuums, but two things have kept me from buying them: their cheap looking plastics, and the astronomically high prices. With the Gen5, they addressed the first issue. The price however is still an issue. As technology advanced as they may be, it's still difficult to justify paying that much. I wonder how many more they could sell if they lowered the price, and attracted a few more customers? Anyway, I hope the competition gets more aggressive, because that's always interesting to see.
The 'cheap looking plastics' has always been cosmetic nonsense and the Gen5Detect has done nothing differently to any of their products going back many years. Objective evidence clearly demonstrates they are more durable than the competitor machines (see other reviews for evidence). They are designed to last for 10 years at the very least, on the assumption they are not abused or neglected-as with any product. Evidence of faulty/broken Dysons always comes from known anti-Dyson sources, are cherry-picked, and are never reproduced to show it wasn't abuse and neglect-deeply unconvincing (applies to other brands too). Dyson's cleaners are best in class products and that is reflected in their price. This is capitalism. If you want the best, you have to pay the premium for the best; it's as simple as that. The idea of lowering price to attract more customers is a fallacy. Their prices were relatively lowered previous generation. All that did was encourage the copycat clone competition to charge just as much for an inferior product and take advantage of the unwitting customer (there are many several hundred pound/dollar clones). This generation, Dyson increased the relative price to make *absolutely clear* their products were better. The competition couldn't charge that much. The fault of high prices lies not with Dyson, but with their greedy competition across the board who raise the floor price and try to shortcut to a high profit margin on the cheap at the customers' expense. This is completely clear now. Having said that, this is what transient sales are for. Buying a cheaper, older Dyson model remains a much better financial choice than buying a newer clone.
Excellent review. But How much. Wow. I love Dyson but that’s beyond expensive and beyond most people reach. I love my v15 and v11 and got them when on offer, but that price is just too much now. Don’t get me wrong, Dyson add a lot of technology to there vacuum’s, but in the current climate, that it tad too far. For me any how.
The power the machine consumes varies depending on dirt load, motor power mode, and tools in use. You should estimate it from the data available if you're genuinely interested. What's more important is the cleaning performance and the cleaning performance per watt, seeing as that's what you're using it for, but they'd need to be measured formally.
@@VacuumFacts What is the difference in temperature entering / leaving the machine compared to less efficient motors from other machines you have owned? The patronising comment you made about the laws of physics isn't relevant anyway since with some motors, they aren't going to get hot enough to actually notice a difference in temperature. I'm curious about the heat generated from the V15 / Gen5 - is it noticeable like a bushed motor machine?
I've no idea; I've never measured it because it's a completely useless and inaccurate thing to do. Again, I'd recommend making these kind of measurements yourself if you're genuinely interested.
@@VacuumFacts you claim the filters don’t loose performance over time. This is nonsense. I’ve got a V10 and I know others with V11. The filters get clogged up such that washing them doesnt clear them any more and they need replacing. This is from normal household use in a family of 4. Don’t get me wrong it is still the best vacuum on the market but those filters need replacing every 8 months or so if you don’t want to be plagued by errors on the machine.
I do note you are making this claim in context of v15 or newer devices - if they have solved the issue of filters clogging in the v15 then that is very good news! Do you agree it is an issue in v10/v11?
I will also note that my shroud is definitely clogged - which I’m happy to concede could be reducing the performance of my filters. But I have never let it fill past the full line - this has just happened over time. I didn’t realise this being clogged would result in more issues on the main filter so I will definitely try and unclog the shroud. Any tips on how to do that?
I've measured that they don't lose performance if treated correctly. My suspicion is that they are either not being treated correctly and it's user error that is the cause of the 'clogs', or that they actually aren't clogged at all and it's all in people's heads. Please send along a precise methodology (and corresponding data) to reproduce your claim for assessment because, unfortunately, I've no reason to believe it since it conflicts with empirical measurements made. Your wild claims are far too vague and conflict with observation that it is absolutely possible for these filters to always retain their original performance.
Right out of the box, our Dyson Gen5Absolute had a rattle in the carpet cleaning head. Customer service conceded that the part is out of stock with no date for when it will be available (this is a HUGE problem with Dyson), so the unit had to be replaced. Dyson offered to ship us an exchange as soon as UPS received the defective unit. We recorded this conversation. Nevertheless, the next day, after we delivered the defective unit to UPS, customer service informed us that this was untrue. Dyson would not do an immediate exchange, but would ship a new unit only after it received and processed the unit, which would take up to 3 weeks (while Dyson sat on our money and the warranty triggered by our initial purchase continued to run.) In short, Dyson lied. I asked to speak with a supervisor and was assured that supervisor would call me back. No call. Dyson lied again. Even before we bought the unit, we got a bad taste of Dyson’s honesty. Customer service assured us that Dyson would price-match QVC’s sale price. This, too, proved to be untrue. Yet another lie. The vacuum may be great, but beware of Dyson. False assurances and unavailable replacement parts are a REAL problem.
This is actually something commonly observed now, and I fully believe absolutely everything you say. Dyson's 'award winning' customer service has fallen right off a cliff somehow and is utterly terrible now. Whoever is responsible for that division needs firing. You hit the nail on the head when you say "The vacuum may be great, but beware of Dyson". People who hate the facts I present have falsely claimed I'm a biased fanboy for years. Yet even I now would strongly recommend anyone think at least twice before buying any Dyson product, because the after-sales service (as of mid 2024) is truly dire, frustrating, and very very poor. I'd love to see what the rabid vacuum enthusiasts thought of that statement.
@@VacuumFacts They definitely need to address their customer service issues. That's going to hurt them in the long run, because people aren't going to invest in a high quality Dyson vacuum if they don't think that the company is going to back it up. I hope they resolve that problem soon.
This is by far the best comprehensive review on the Dyson Gen5 Detect. Thanks!
Sadly, you're right, and despite an entire internet out there too...
I love the detail and thoroughness of all your reviews, this was no different. I've always been a super fan of Dyson and you've only made my appreciation grow. All I have bought over the last 8 years was Dyson and that's all I'll get now. And *this* is the only channel I'll go to for Dyson reviews.
Surely there must be somewhere else respectable on the entirety of the internet for facts and the whole truth. I mean, I don't know where, having looked, but it would be sad and shameful if this channel was unique.
Me too.
Amazing technical and balanced review. Really appreciate the effort. Thank you
You are Bill Nye, the vacuum guy. You are the Linus Tech Tips of Vacuum reviews with fact-based science-driven information. You are appreciated by the vacuum nerds of CZcams and your hard work isn't lost on us.
Ha some of my comments suggest otherwise. In fact, praise like this will get you accused of being me and self-commenting. Self commenting with all 900 accounts apparently. >_>
It’s worth noting that Dyson is a family business and a private company, distinct from being public, like many of their competitors. This means the Dyson family own the company and have no shareholders. There’re no stock market or outside investor decisions needed, and they make all their own decisions internally. A public company’s primary objective is to become a profit engine for the shareholder investors, and so Dyson as a private company have no pressure to increase their shareholder profits by, say, 30% every year by cutting corners or skimping on product research and development-which is the most expensive thing. Their decisions can therefore be exclusively about the products, and with a long-term view, freeing them to invest hugely more in research and development, take risks, and create new things that are better-often at cost to them-and to target the very highest end of the premium market that is pioneering and progressive. What you therefore get is the highest quality and not some corner-cut, slap-dash, skimped product, pushed out at the expense of a customer, that a faceless corporation is quite happy to take advantage of for that little bit more profit for the greedy shareholders. Dyson’s is a fundamentally different philosophy to business, and is capitalism done much better, less regressively, and without the pollution of the corner-cutting greed element of shareholders. Dyson is not perfect, but it’s far more admirable once you’ve reflected on it and explains why its products are market-leading and everyone else copies, less effectively, and on the cheap-at your expense.
Can't decide whether you're an all out shill or just OTT fanboy. Can't take this channel seriously. Will head back to Vacuum Wars.
This is a really good point in consideration of a businesses focus. In recent years many public businesses have been pushing to sustain or increase shareholder profits (dividends) instead of making capital investment, reducing debt and actually growing the business potential. Now that we have heavy economic downturn they are hurting in ways that are still presenting as attempts to sustain profits (blaming inflation) and STILL keep dividends at past levels.
Yep, even better considering they are hands down IMO the best option in many categories (e.g. Vacuum's, Fans, Blow Dryers etc.)
This reads like advertising copy. They've been making their products less repairable by putting glue on their circuit boards for example, that's bad from a e-waste pollution standpoint and it feels terrible to be unable to fix the device you spend a boatload of cash on if it has a problem. Being private doesn't automatically mean they're not going to do bad things in pursuit of profit, they just get to be a little less shortsighted about it.
@@HamidKarzai If simply stating facts comes across in a positive light such that you misdetect it as advertising, then they're doing something right. But then you start barrel-scraping and mud slinging in a manner that doesn't fairly look at everyone else equally, which undermines your position. The design of the modern Dyson cleaners is modular so in the unlikely event something breaks (usually due to neglect and abuse) then the part can be shipped out (free under warranty) for swap-out plug-and-play. It almost sounds like you're disgruntled that this approach stops false economies (such as vacuum shops) that do unnecessary work for the most part on these machines. Dyson have eliminated this area, and good for them. If you're suggesting Dyson have done "bad things in pursuit of profit" and cite 'glue on the circuit boards' as an example, I'm wholly unconvinced. I don't think you've said anything meaningful or valid here, which reaffirms the original point as far as I'm concerned.
Thank you for such a comprehensively detailed review, by miles the best I’ve seen.
HOLY SHIT SICK VIDEO DROP BEEN WAITING ON THIS ONE FOREVER MAN
I didn't know that this model is coming, just bought the V12 and I appreciate it both for the carpets and hard floor
Excellent review, a pleasure to watch, many thanks 😀👍
I really enjoy your video reviews. I may get this for my mother. My girlfriend has the v15 and loves it, i have the Outsize Absolute+ and the Cinetic upright and love both. With people older or who remember the earlier days of cordless, it's difficult to comprehend a battery powered vacuum being able to replace a corded machine. It's also hard to comprehend how well these machines deep clean until you've owned and used one, all while having a sealed Hepa system.
Sadly, only Dyson have achieved it (for reasons outlined in this video). Every other cordless I've tested so far is a cheap clone that doesn't perform and compromises somewhere (weight, run time, performance, usability). Worst of all, understanding and evidencing this has completely evaded the entirety of CZcams, which I find truly incredible. Most of the 'tests' out there, even from popular channels, are so unrepresentative and poorly controlled as to be utterly meaningless, yet many simultaneously like to brag about theirs being "objective" (a step up from their earlier subjective eyeballing), as though that is some substitute trump word for relevance. And that no one notices or seems to recognise this is the most disheartening thing of all. It's like no one is educated in STEM and it's so sad to see because we're deeply worse for it.
Technologically, from 2025+ when solid state batteries come out, they'll quantum-leap these machines.
The best Dyson Gen 5 review I've seen! 🎉🎉
If you want something doing right... While everyone has the right to speak, not everyone is worth hearing. Sadly the internet is polluted to the point of being virtually useless for facts and accurate information.
Great in-depth review. Your explanations were absolutely necessary.
This channel is a gold mine. I kinda wish Dyson didn’t market these vacuums like the ultimate cleaning machine.(it is still a cordless vacuum) I hope that they make more Canisters with the same tech found on their cordless vacuums
In terms of cleaning performance, ease of use, and environmental impact, all the measurements I made support the conclusion that it very much is the 'ultimate cleaning machine' (by today's standards). The old mains-powered formfactors are a thing of the past and they're not likely ever going back to them in the same way we're not going back to LED candles or horses and e-carts.
@@VacuumFacts eh, I still prefer corded vacuums.
Each to their own
@@toucanroombas Yeah, I prefer robot vacuums, but they can't do stairs! Cordless vacs are a great companion. I have learned to go with the vacuum that everyone else tries to copy. IRobot for robot vacs and Dyson for cordless. A brief foray in to the copies leads me back to the leaders. Also, my Roombas and Dysons just keep working and the maintenance is easy.
I've been dying to hear your take on this vacuum. I didn't expect a review so soon. Can't wait to watch this after work!
I always think I won't like it based on the front end marketing. What that doesn't convey though is how it feels. It's so nice to use and such an obvious improvement over the V15 that paper-stats just don't show. If the next model has the features I discuss in the video, then it'll be quite a lauch event.
@@VacuumFacts It sure sounds like it. After watching the video, I'm totally convinced. I just have to wait for it to launch here in the states.
It's incredible how much they've managed to cut noise. The V11 I own is such a quiet product already.
Thank you very much for your uniquely stellar reviews!
Sadly, I felt I had to compensate for the shocking content out there which does a disservice to facts and reality.
just want to another major thing they did right, aside from the huge 10 cell battery pack, is the suppression of noise. brushless motors especially the most powerful ones, have high pitched noise which is the reason why I'm still stuck with a cheap brush motor cordless vacuum. It is amazing how Dyson suppressed the noise without losing suction, actually added more suction power.
A brilliant review. Concise and informative. Thankyou
wow. incredible review!!!
Wow! Best review I saw in a while: thorough, detailed and professional! Thank you, author! Would be glad if you add gen5 & gen5 outsize comparison - so we could decide which suits our needs better.
The outsize is simply bigger
Thank you dear fake commenter written by the channel creator.
@@user-md5ek5me9d lol. Fake is you
@@user-md5ek5me9d You said this on two completely different posts. o_0 What kind of paranoid tribal hatred would even make a person spout wild accusations and attack a channel like that for no reason whatsoever. Is it so beyond you that people might actually mean what they say. Batshit some of these people out there...
@@alitazabekov3819 and you?
love all your videos, you are the true Dyson spokesperson and the he should have you part of the team himself
Thanks, although I've no allegance to Dyson. I do, however, focus on the greatest tech I can find, which just happens to consistently come from Dyson. Liking technology produced by company X doesn't mean I've any tribal loyalty to that company or brand-a simple fallacy many haters that have graced my channel in the past have falled victim to.
That was fast. Great to see a review for this, hard to find anything else online. I think I will be waiting a while to upgrade me v11 then.😆
Sadly, there is nothing respectable I've seen online on this product. That's really bad.
Incredible detail. Thank you.
I'm only sorry this is the only place you can find it on the entire internet. If you want something doing right...
@@VacuumFacts absolutely! Very much appreciated.
This is a very informative video, thanks for the effort! Is it UK and Australia only for now?
Not sure; you'd have to check Dyson country websites to find out.
Thank you so much for your incredibly detailed review. I have looked at many, and none come close. As a result of your review, I have decided to invest in the Gen5. Keep up the excellent work. Again, thank you.
It fills me with shame that there isn't somewhere else on the entire internet that provides the quality of information many seem to want. You look at all these big popular channels like Vacuum Wars and others that seemingly do this stuff for cash and just wonder how, after reviewing the content, they can be so popular. Something is so very wrong with the way things are done.
Me too. I’ve just ordered mine after hours of watching other reviews. Wish I’d found this first .
@@lorraineelliott1546 And reflect on an organisation that brags about leading our culture with advanced AI, yet suppresses what many consider the better content because it isn't as financially lucrative as popular trash sources. Make it a voting issue; it doesn't have to be this way and we're worse off because of it.
such amazing and detailed review👍👌👏💯😍
I'm only sorry the rest of the entire internet couldn't provide the kind of information people want to see. Such failure is very disheartening.
@@VacuumFacts weirdly all I've seen on gen5 are negative stuff and false info also......btw i just bought v15plus like your model and i think they put some of gen5 features with it like new fluffy optic head which was little weird to me🤔.... but good weird though😅
There's so much false information out there. Simple things that anyone worthy of being heard could so easily fact check-like the battery weight for example. But exposing falsehoods and shocking ignorance is what my channel is all about, really.
My V10 is still going strong - despite having a full kitchen wall cupboard and it's heavy tinned contents falling on it the other day.
The only thing I don't like about it is the fact you have to change the floor head to the fluffy roller to get the best cleaning results on hard floors. The carpet head tends to flick detritus around on hard floors.
I don't think I've ever changed my filter in all these years. I know I bought a cheap one from Amazon and it ended up with a high pitched whistle so I returned it and went back to the old filter.
I've always wiped off the external dirt, tap it on the wall outside or the sink and then throw it in the washer on a short cold wash. Comes up good as new each time.
Yeah, head switching is a hassle. I've never used the fluffy head; there's no point; the main head does it all just as well much more conveniently. I think Dyson just keep it going because they invented it and don't want the copycatting competition to be perceived as having something 'useful' that Dyson don't. In a way, they shot themselves in the foot. The modern main head is all you need. In fact, the new ones they're developing look even better. I've made a video about machine washing filters. Very important not to use fabric conditioner because it leaves a slimey coating and blocks it.
@@VacuumFacts I'm sure the newer main head is perfect for all jobs but unfortunately my V10's isn't, on the other hand I can't justify replacing it just to throw it in landfill. Might be knocked about and with a loose battery but it still works brilliantly and with my very good robot vacuum I hardly need to use the Dyson.
I completely agree that there is no better vacuum maker on the market.
Exactly. I'd probably still be on the V10 if I wasn't badgered to review every model that comes out.
finally a proper review of the Gen5detect. Commendable they went with 10cell pack, less strain on battery cells for less risk of cell death and more cycle life. One thing missing from this review is samples of noise it makes. It was absurdly quiet from the very first video of the gen5detect on youtube but the guy was just did for a few seconds which I theorized due to the new HEPA filter. Nice tool but the price which for a model that is not yet perfect, like missing LED light on the main brush head
Maybe, but it's hard to show noise level on a video. I showed average noise level, but what I really need is a meter which shows a frequency histogram and a professional sound lab. Take advantage of the 90 day money back guarantee. Main brush head doesn't need an LED. LEDs do nothing at all. At least lasers show dust, but even them I'm not completely convinced by.
@@VacuumFactsI found another video and the brush head indeed louder. it's just amazing how little noise this makes with consequence to suction. I guess most of the resistance is already in the filters before the motor, and little is left in post motor filter. increasing its filtering ability muffles high pitch noise substantially.
The brushhead isn't louder on the Gen5 compared to the V15. The reduction in motor noise isn't because of the increased filtration level, but because of the sound suppression engineering they've built in.
Very detailed and excellent test, you can see that it is not a paid promotional video.
Yup, the receipt is the biggest clue.
Thanks for a great review! The higher voltage of the battery actually makes the machine more power efficient (or it allows them to use thinner wires keeping the losses same).
Indeed, the resistive losses in the conductors are equal to I^2*R, I being the current in [A], R being the resistance of the wires in [Ω], while the power in [W] is V*I, where V is the voltage [V]. Keeping the power constant and making the voltage 36/25.2-times higher means that the current now needs to be that many times lower a therefore the losses of the new model are (36/25.2)^2-times lower (assuming the same wiring so R cancels out).
Funny that (36/25.2)^2≈2.041 -- it seems as if they decided to cut the losses in half!
So why didn't they use 50V? There's far more to their technical decisions but it's too complicated to discuss here.
@@VacuumFacts
You are right, 50V would make the losses even smaller, but there are other factors to consider. First, the battery of the V15 is made of 7 cells in series each at 3.6V nominal. The Gen5 is 10 cells in series. For 50.4 V it would be 14 cells, probably too many to be practical. On top of that, on-resistance of mosfet transistors gets bigger with higher blocking voltages, which works against the savings due to a lower current. One has to consider all the parameters and what transistors are on the market to make an optimal decision.
I just wanted to point out the beautiful coincidence of the resistive losses being half that of V15 (and I know that magnetic losses in the motor is a different story).
@32 bits-of-a-bus Resistive losses are one thing, but have you calculated to quantify the energy losses to compare with losses elsewhere in various components of the entire machine? How do you know the efficiency changes due to electrical resistance halving aren't trivial compared to losses elsewhere?
@@VacuumFacts
I just said, that if you increase the supply voltage sqrt(2)≈1.41-times -- leaving everything else the same -- the resistive losses will be halved. Of course, there are other losses there and the overall return is not very great, considering electric motors typically have good efficiency already. I'd guess that V15's motor would be over 85%, quite likely around 90% (including its driver electronics).
Of these 10% losses, half could be the resistive loss. By halving it and leaving other losses same, the efficiency would increase from 90% to only 92%.
As for your concern that making electrical resistive losses smaller could increase losses somewhere else -- I cannot figure out which part of the machine would be negatively affected by using lower current and higher (but still reasonable) voltage.
In fact, by doing so they also probably increased the lifetime of the battery because each cell now experiences lower current and current density on its electrodes (assuming the cells are of 18650-size in both cases).
Probably more could be saved by changing the inner shape of the housings for the tube locks. These have rectangular shape with sharp edges, promoting turbulence in the tubes.
I saw your review a few weeks ago, and I’m glad I came across it again. I appreciate how you debunk various myths about cleaning performance and explain how various aspects of the device, like the quality of HEPA filtration work.
I’ve been looking to upgrade from a V8 for quite some time and am having a real crisis choosing between a v15s complete and gen5. It’s crazy, but in Australia at the moment, the gen5 is on sale for $997, and the v15 is still over $1300?!
The only thing holding me back, is the new battery not being sold by Dyson yet, Floor dok for the gen5 and the many comments on reviews bout excessive clamping on most carpet types even with the gates open.
Debunking is, sadly, necessary when the entire internet is plastered with falsehoods or misleading half-truths. Many sources do a disservice to people who are just looking for all the facts to help make a decision. Even companies deceive people in the same way, as shown. Only education is the solution to help people spot traps and deception. The new solid-state batteries won't be out until probably mid 2025 at the earliest. As for excessive clamping; remember what this video teaches about misleading half-truths. Much of what's out there is falsehood or propaganda. There's a reason why Dyson offers a 35-day money back guarantee; you can try before you buy and bypass the corrupt out there.
I find Unboxings very therapeutic 😀
Yeah, some people do. As this isn't an entertainment channel per se, information dominates. I find facts and knowledge far more therapeutic.
Great review! I’m debating the V15 or the Gen5, mainly have tiles and only carpet in the rooms. Which would you suggest?
I've reviewed them both, but really it's up to you and your budget. The Gen5 is the better product but costs more.
I looked at getting other vaccumes, but when I realised that my v6 is still our family vaccume and works amazing and has always been reliable, I couldn't change brands. Just got this vaccume this week (huge upgrade from our v6) and I'm so so glad I stuck to dyson. You can just feel the quality, the power and just the simplicity of it all. We still use the v6 for our upstairs bedroom only now and still works a treat. I do go and try testing other brands, but I think you just can't go past a dyson.
This is consistent with my experience as well, sadly. Dyson have no true competition and that's a total failure of the tech industry and their shareholder-centric economic models that put profit before pioneering technological advancement and polish. Must be quite a treat upgrading from a V6 to a Gen5. Being able to "feel the quality, the power and just the simplicity of it all" is the kind of thing that you just can't capture in a review; you really do have to feel it. I always make this mistake myself; I look at the advertised upgrades over the V15 and almost feel disappointed, but fail to realise that Dyson release only highly tuned products, which you only appreciate when you use it. The Gen5 really is a substantial improvement over the V15. I'm still amazed how much ultra fine dust it's somehow managing to extract from deep down in my carpet that just isn't captured in my current testing. It's the deepest cleaner I've ever used.
You can find parts to repair your existing Dyson very easily
Dyson the best :)
@@VacuumFactsthe problem is even V7 or V8 are good enough to most people
My V6 which I'm looking at replacing is the reason why I'm looking at other brands. Lol
A very helpful comparison with the V15. I see most of the benefit coming from quietness, which IMO is underrated in the V15. But otherwise, while I appreciate the ongoing improvements, I don't see this as a big update from the V15 and I'm not wishing to trade in our V15 for this Gen5. The V15 really is a gem and was entirely worth the money. Quietness, filtration and power/battery life are already so good on the V15.
BTW I am still very happy with the gimmick-seeming features such as the laser head for floors, the reach-under tool, and the built-in crevice tool of the V15 Absolute.
It's down to budget and need. Most people don't 'upgrade' something like a vacuum, even though I have to pretty much review it relative to the previous generation. But if you're buying this from scratch or a very old version, like a V6/8, then it's a substantial improvement.
i agree, i also own a v15 (have for a while) and was hoping the gen 5 was gonna be a bigger (then what it is) improvement, after seeing the specs/reviews and having a quick little test, i was a bit disappointed, not because its a bad machine, cause its not, its great, but just in comparison coming from the v15, however on the good side it has saved me money for now , but if my v15 completely packs up i will get the gen 5.
but as the op stated, coming from the older models, imo from v8 (or older) up to probably the v11 then its a big upgrade, but if you have v12/15, then no, not really.
my biggest gripe about dyson stick vacuum's is the price, ive had many dyson vaccums over the years from stand ups, to balls, to sticks, aswell as other brands like shark/samsung etc..... although i do really like my v15, when i compare it to my other models i ve own/ed.... im like yeah its better.... but not an extra 400 euro/pound better..... but i suppose thats the thing with most things, ya pay for the name mostly.
@@rickstergamer7437 We got our V15 Detect Absolute here in the US on sale with a Dok also greatly discounted, so that was one consideration for us. Personally I think the move from an upright to a stick is worth the premium. I hated to have to drag the upright out of the closet and plug it in. And it was so loud. The V15 is so much better than a even the most powerful upright practically speaking IMHO.
@@rickstergamer7437 The Gen5Detect's improvements are actually undersold in my video. The reactive suction really is the most noticeable improvement, and that's hard to capture in a review relative to actually using it. The V15 shouldn't pack up at all for at least 10 years, by design, battery included (as long as it's not abused by using on max mode all the time). The price of the Dyson isn't likely driven by label, but by the cost of original research and development. Competitor clones let their betters do the hard work, and they clone it on the cheap as best as they can around patents. The product doesn't work as well, sullying the original idea they stole, but they can increase both their greedy profit margin and undercut the competition, whilst selling an inferior knockoff to an unsuspecting customer-most of which are sufficiently clueless that these companies get away with it, sadly. Broken economic model, really.
Such a good review as always i love my v15 but i would like to ask how is it possible that you vacuum your carpets on auto if i am not mistaken with the gates in the middle position but when i vacuum my not so thick carpet on auto the brushbar struggles a lot and most of the time stops.
I know i can open the gates fully for it to not struggle but then i just dont feel like the vacuum is cleaning the carpet as great or does it have to do something with wattage in eu and usa?
(Please excuse my mistakes i am from czechia)😊
I usually have the gates fully closed. On my carpet, this still allows enough air into the head to avoid clamping. Some carpets are more resistant to the flow of air such that when the suction pressure is increased, the airflow can't keep up, and the head clamps. In that case, for those particular carpets, the front gates should be opened to the level that allows enough bleed air in to reduce the pressure difference and avoid clamping. In the near-clamping situation, there will still be near the maximum amount of air flowing through the pile that the carpet will allow. The carpet determines the amount of air that can flow through it for a given pressure and thus how well it is ultimately cleaned. In other words, just because the gates are open in the case when it's clamping, doesn't mean cleaning performance lowers. Many people don't understand this. The basic science is discussed here czcams.com/video/WzkFvMLy-Eo/video.html
Thank you for a considered and educated review! Having genuine functional analysis with genuine effort to discern why technical factors matter is something I genuinely appreciate. Vacuums, like mattresses are marketed in such a sketchy way; deliberate attempt to obfuscate and prevent comparison is de-rigueure for manufacturers.
I wish more content creators would look at you as an example of how they could demonstrate products in their chosen field of tech or product.
If you feel this channel is worth knowing about, let them know.
I wish more content creators who know an industry and know what's going on,...aka the lies,....would inform the public when making videos and reviews like this guy.
Sadly, most content creators don't have a clue or are bought off with a freebie to tell a half-truth. Then there's the tribal, who'll happily shoot down facts if they don't conform to the worldview they'd prefer to be true. Plenty of those types have attacked me on this channel and have their own nonsense / propaganda-rich content, polluting the internet. The problem with YT is that it platforms everyone, including those not worth hearing, so it's down to individuals to filter out the crap if they can. Many don't know how-hence my channel. And the 'lies' are simply a natural consequence of the regressive side of the capitalist economic model choice.
wow want expecting a review so soon :)
Hope your wallet is ok :/
And I was not expecting you do this review for a few months - years, very surprising
And I have to say it was a waste vacuuming that uhh …… “flour” ;)
haha. My wallet is dead but the Gen5 is high.
Nice :D
One question I’ve just thought about at 9:00 your chart for the old v15 has higher airflow as you’ve washed the filters over the year so does that mean that it’s not as effective at trapping particles or is that a normal thing with washing filters?
Or am I just not reading the chart correct
It's within measurement uncertainty so should be considered identical. I don't have a laboratory to measure any more accurately. It means what I said in the video; no difference and unevidenced suggestions filters 'age' (whatever that means) is a false myth.
Cool thanks i love this channel 🙂
Excellent review, thank you. I read that their next cleaner will have a head that can hold water but this is not backwards compatible with any of their older cleaners, including this latest Gen5 model. That’s a shame. I think I may wait for the next generation, although I am really eager to try this Gen5 model.
They offer a 90-day money back guarantee for the Gen5 if you're desperate to try it.
@@VacuumFacts Ooh I didn’t know that. Thank you for telling me.
Great review, lots of detail! I don’t think the motorised head is an epicyclic drive?! Seen videos of this taken apart.
There are no gear systems like with the mains-powered cleaner head on the cordless models. Their heads are driven directly though and there are no belts, which is the important thing, regardless of the specific approach.
Thanks for the review. Looks like UK & Australia both are getting much more attachment than North America as both standard and Absolute only comes with the standard three motorized heads, build in combo tool and combination tool juar with difference of colour. I just called Dyson and the Low Reach Adaptor for Gen5 (not the same one as V7-V15) is not even listed for order. It really would be a great convenient for Dyson to intergrade the laser into the Digital Motobar since both side of the drive gear of the Fluffy head often collects and clogs with animal hair after each use and I have fully stopped using it since the V15 as I was spending more time unclogging the hair than the time taken for vacuuming. Would love to see Dyson makes a wand attachment like their newly released washG1 for Gen5 for moping the floor instead of a stand alone separate unit that takes extra charger space and more batteries to charge.
@vacuumfacts - any idea why filtration performance is only quoted in boost mode? Why doesn’t it filter as well in lower suction modes? What is the reason for this?
It's down to the way HEPA filters work. The closest to a full description I've produced can be found here czcams.com/video/QTSadOm6WsI/video.html
Hello great amazing review, can you tell me i own DYSON V15, can i use new laser from GEN5 DETECT for extra more visibility or it wont fit?
Powered tools from the Gen5 don't fit on the V15
Watching this again it’s impressive how far Dyson’s technology and filtration technology has come! I see the Gen5 HEPA filter that filters down to 0.01 micron is now being put on other models like the V8 and V12 in other countries to give the same level of filtration! 0.01 microns is impressive filtration I’m not aware of any other domestic or commercial's vacuum cleaner bagged, bagless, corded or cordless filtrating down to that high level! I’m surprised Dyson don’t make more awareness of this filtration especially as they are invested in improving air quality and indoor air quality with there other technologies and studies especially seen in their latest video on here!
Be interesting to see where the next model takes Dyson in floorcare cleaning! Batteries and motor technology for sure. Maybe some app and internet connectivity may app in the next generation model to feed back useful data to Dyson like their air purifiers do to determine future models!
The TL;DR should have just been “Dyson Won. Prepare your wallet” haha 😂
Great video as usual. Love the detail.
Detail is the hard part. Sadly, I can't find detail anywhere else on the entire internet. If that's true, it would be a very sad reflection of humanity.
No information on the Dyson US website yet :(
Is the Scratch-free dusting brush and extension hose for the v15 compatible with this?
Yes
This has to be the most in-depth vacuum review I’ve ever seen. Fantastic work. I think it would be cool if the machine used the particle counter combined with a reading of motor resistance and run time to give more accurate filter cleaning recommendations instead of just an arbitrary “clean every xyz” interval.
Reality is that the filter rarely needs cleaning because of blockage (on the assumption the user hasn't gone above the max fill line and ideally empties after every use). The cyclones are the most efficient by far on the market and leave very little left for the filter. In cheap, rip-off bagless clones, the filter is far more involved in dust capture and needs rinsing relatively excessively. The bags in bagged machines are the filter and clog very quickly, as shown in the recent review of the Henry Quick cordless. The monthly recommendation by Dyson is mostly to control odours, should some suffer from that, because they collect smelly material (e.g., pet dander). I have a video on my channel showing what happens if you don't rinse a Dyson filter: czcams.com/video/T3prXR-aeOg/video.html
3 disadvantages of this vacuum cleaner.
The first one is the most serious - a new, more powerful motor has been used with greater suction power/vacuum, and the power of the electric brush motor has not been increased, as a result of which it stops even on low carpets, or in order for it to work, you have to open gaps or reduce the power of the vacuum cleaner, which in turn reduces the effectiveness of vacuuming. The electric brush can slow down and stop even in Medium/Auto mode, not to mention Boost mode.
Therefore, there is a stronger suction power, which cannot be used due to the same electric brush as in the V15, not adapted to the higher power of the Gen 5.
The second disadvantage is that the battery is so long that if you use a nozzle inserted directly into the vacuum cleaner, the bottom of the battery catches on the surface being vacuumed or even the rod may come loose, hitting the edge of, for example, the seat of the chair you are vacuuming.
The third smallest disadvantage is the complete removal of the finger button. At this price, Dyson should have used two buttons, one on the top and one under the finger. The one under the finger would work as before, i.e. if pressed, the vacuum cleaner would be turned on and if it was not pressed, the vacuum cleaner would be turned off, while the one at the top would turn on the vacuum cleaner permanently, regardless of the position of the button under the finger.
The last two minuses are things that are not that important, but the first one - the inappropriate power of the electric brush and the use of the same one that is in the V15 - is a big mistake and Dyson should immediately correct it by releasing an electric carpet brush that can handle higher suction power and not will slow down and stop while vacuuming.
>> “…a new, more powerful motor has been used with greater suction power/vacuum, and the power of the electric brush motor has not been increased, as a result of which it stops even on low carpets, or in order for it to work, you have to open gaps or reduce the power of the vacuum cleaner, which in turn reduces the effectiveness of vacuuming.”
This shows a surprisingly common lack of understanding of basic physics. If a carpet is restricting the suction-alleviating flow of air into the cleaner head such that it clamps, then the airspeed is reduced, reducing the effectiveness of cleaning. Opening the front gates alleviates clamping but does not reduce cleaning effectiveness in this case, since airspeed through the pile is not increased. Vacuum cleaners with weaker suction clamp less, but also don’t generate the airspeed through the pile necessary for effective cleaning either. The two problems therefore are with lesser cleaners and air resistant carpets. There is no issue here and simply requires understanding.
>> “The second disadvantage is that the battery is so long that if you use a nozzle inserted directly into the vacuum cleaner, the bottom of the battery catches on the surface being vacuumed or even the rod may come loose, hitting the edge of, for example, the seat of the chair you are vacuuming.”
I’ve never experienced this once and have seen no evidence it’s a widespread issue. Other designs from knockoff clone products have bin positions which actually do hit surfaces when using turbine tools, as evidenced in my reviews.
>> “The third smallest disadvantage is the complete removal of the finger button. At this price, Dyson should have used two buttons, one on the top and one under the finger. The one under the finger would work as before, i.e. if pressed, the vacuum cleaner would be turned on and if it was not pressed, the vacuum cleaner would be turned off, while the one at the top would turn on the vacuum cleaner permanently, regardless of the position of the button under the finger.”
I agree and have argued this best-of-both-worlds case before. The loss of a trigger was a retrograde, as discussed in the review. A button can be useful when above-floor cleaning.
>> “inappropriate power of the electric brush and the use of the same one that is in the V15 - is a big mistake and Dyson should immediately correct it by releasing an electric carpet brush that can handle higher suction power and not will slow down and stop while vacuuming.”
I’m not convinced there’s any ‘mistake’ as discussed above. They’re making a new head with two cantilevered brush bars (similar to a double hair screw tool).
@@VacuumFacts Thank you for your explanation.
I will add here that I have recently been using Gen 5, and previously V15 for over 2 years, hence my conclusions.
As for the new brush you write about at the end, the question is whether it will fit Gen 5 and how the center itself will be solved and whether there will be a dead spot there, because there are two brushes coming out from the center in both directions.
And isn't this brush just a small version for removing hair from upholstery or armchairs?
The new floor head is cleverly designed so there's no gap/dead spot and it detangles hair far better than noisy, wear-creating combs. I suspect it will not be designed for older models owing to likely different power requirements (it may have more than one motor, but maybe not). It's still being developed, along with many other very interesting technologies, but might appear in the next generation of products. End of 2025 will also see the emergence of Dyson's fundamentally new battery technology that will hugely elevate their cordless products to new levels.
16:04 The V11 did not have an epicyclic drive. It actually had a direct driven out runner motor. I disassembled my broken V11 Torque head to harvest anything that could be useful.
@John Machotka yes but from a technical perspective the V11 torque head is essentially a powerful direct drive head free of gears.
@@battery_wattage Free of stupid, old-fashioned belts, more importantly, which was the actual point being made.
@VacuumFacts Sorry to write here - I couldn’t find contact info for you. Question: I have a Dyson Cyclone V10, which I’m pretty happy with, but the rear filter cylinder gets covered in fine grey dust (on the purple fabric outer side with the water tap icons) after a few runs around my house. From what I’ve seen in your videos on more recent models, the cyclones really should be capturing more of this into the bin rather than having it accumulate on the rear filter, right? Rinsing and letting thoroughly dry leaves my unit out of commission for a couple days, so I bought a couple replacements, but this is just really disappointing. From this description, do you expect it might be a problem with my unit, or instead is this the state of things from the V10 era and it’s improvements since then that would avoid this? Thanks and I love your videos!
Filters capture dust and they therefore get dusty. The rate of dust reaching them in normal operation is increased if dust is allowed to reach above the skirt / max fill line, as this eliminates the function of the primary cyclone in the clear bin. Emptying after every use (which takes about 5 seconds) will prevent this. Without a clear methodology quantifying accumulation rate as a function of precisely controlled behaviour, it's hard to make further comment on your specific situation. It is well evidenced that little dust reaches the filters when used as outlined in the manual, as I've also shown on my channel. Even when dust reaches the filter, it is unlikely to clog sufficiently to reduce performance. Filters should be rinsed monthly, regardless, to minimise odours. Drying can be sped up with the aid of a cool fan. This is covered in videos on my channel. The relative rate of accumulation of dust on filters is considerably lower on Dyson machines than any other product because their cyclones are better than anything else out there.
What about the sound level compared to previous generations (V15, V11)?
They're shown in the video you're commenting on.
Greetings again! I just had a question for you about Dyson quietly updating the gen5. I noticed a lot of reviews have 262 airwatts, and there seems to have been a refresh in the last few months with Dyson advertising 280 airwatts now. Have you looked into this? Wonder why the change?
Unclear. Probably a oneupsmanship game with competitors to compensate for the numerically significant idiots that think the size of an advertised number is directly related to something beneficial despite clear evidence to the contrary that they seem oblivious to, even when it's pointed out explicitly to them.
That’s what I was thinking. It’s just odd that Dyson would play into such behaviours. I was confused cause the numbers have changed but the model number remains the same here in Australia
They've been doing it for quite some time. They removed the trigger for a start and promote large numbers. You only need to watch my review discussing how competitors market filtration numbers to see the level of corruption and desperate desire to pander to shocking ignorance.
do you get 1 or 2 batteries with it ? as you do with the V15 or V12........thx cheers from Canada
Probably 1; check their website
It’d be interesting to see how well a DC01 fares in your tests. If only just to see how far the tech has progressed.
Yeah maybe. But I've no plans to do this.
I have had a Gen5 detect for a week. I keep getting airflow obstruction and pulsing. I empty, clean, take it apart clean, can’t find any obstruction. Filter wasn’t overly dirty but in the end decided to wash it. Left it to dry completely for a few days, only for it to happen all over again. Any idea why this would be happening? I’m not vacuuming up stupid things but I’m at a loss as to what’s going on. I’ve checked everything, cleaned everything and I just don’t know.
Always hard to tell anything associated with troubleshooting from merely a written comment. If it says airflow obstruction then there must be an airflow obstruction. You've thoroughly checked the entire linear airpath from head, through wand, into machine entry for clear visual line of sight? There always Dyson support. There isn't really enough information to identify a problem here.
I only just got the V15 Detect Extra, I opted to get this version that came with the HEPA filter, detail cleaning attachments (including the amazing dusting brush) and the built in crevice tool, which I think is great. I think I would still go for V15 over the newer version because it is about £190 cheaper than the gen5 and is an excellent vacuum. I am admittedly jealous of the new battery, noise and improved filter but £660 was already a stretch for me.
Yeah. It's just unfortunate that Dyson didn't reduce the price of the V15 with the release of the Gen5, as discussed in the video. The inferiority of the competing tech industry is likely partly responsible for that, which is deeply shameful and embarrassing for them.
I love my V15 Absolute (the one in my market with the built in crevice tool) and personally don't think the quietness and filtration gains are worth upgrading to the Gen5, but boy do I appreciate the continuing improvements to what is already an amazing lineup from Dyson.
@@gyozakeynsianism Having used it more, the real improvement to the Gen5 is actually the reactive suction. It really is hugely better than the V15. Somehow the Gen5 manages to extract so much ultra fine dust from so deep within the carpet, especially in some historically heavily soiled spots. It hugely outcleans the V15 in ways my limited testing doesn't show and that no other cleaner has achieved. If the next version has the projection display (so the runtime etc. is shown near the floor tools rather than the handle), the new cleaner head that outperforms current ones using much less energy (lower air speed), the auto-bleed valve in the head, and a solid state battery, it will be quite an upgrade.
THE biggest reason to splurge and get the G5d over the V15d is if you have dexterity issues. Hand fatigue from holding the trigger + the weight of the unit would be a valid reason in why you choose to purchase the G5d vs the V15d or V12ds. It seems Dyson is thinking about ergonomics and not only how their products are used, but are held as seen in the weight re-distribution balancing, and reintroduction of a power button, and redesigned grip with padding.
Not sure I agree with all that. It's a myth-or complete and utter failure to use common sense-that you need to press the V15 trigger with any force to activate. It's literally feather-touch by design and just holding the machine normally, as though there isn't even a switch there, will activate it. Hands don't get fatigued from 'pressing' anything, because you don't need to press; you just hold it in exacly the same way as the Gen5. Suggestions to the contrary are propaganda or ignorance (or lack of common sense during ownership). There are also disadvantages of the trigger loss, and I've not yet experienced any advantages of a button. In fact, it's hassle now having to constantly use a second hand to turn it on and off every few seconds during periods when it doesn't need to be on.
The V15 was weight-distributed well for the motor size and weight at the back, and far better than any competitor machines I've tried. The Gen5's padding is a nice touch. But there are far more reasons to get a Gen5 over a V15 (if a buyer is so inclined) than these minor cosmetics. The technical reasons are discussed in the video.
I agree that the trigger is actually better. You don't have to do anything other than hold the handle correctly to use it. The downside for me, was all the accidental using of the trigger, especially when emptying.
@@dinglebat63 I have few year old Xiaomi cleaner and I found that holding that trigger for prolonged time I can definitely feel. And I have large hands but if you hold it for 15 minutes then definitely you can tell a difference and it becomes not natural for your index finger. I don't understand why this is good for on a vacuum cleaner ? I found I hold it pressed all the time I vacuuming so button for me would be much better choice. Just press it at start and press again at the end. Simply as that. Why should I pull the trigger all the time?
@@misenko856 I don't find holding the trigger on my Dyson to be tiring. I was afraid it would be a problem, but it's not. It's just natural to hold while vacuuming and it saves battery power. Probably the Xiaomi isn't as ergonomic.
Very informative video. I'm curious about the laser vs LED lights. Brightness isn't the only important thing. I feel like the LED light has more diffuse scattering and lights up the floor and area instead of highlighting just the dust. What is your experience in real world use? (I get your point about methodical cleaning but it's very helpful when I miss a spot or to see just how much dust is in a tough to access spot)
My V15 review ( czcams.com/video/noCLwXCVDsk/video.html ) explains my position on the laser after it was first released. I don't miss spots. The only exception I allow for is under furniture with chairs in the way etc.
@@VacuumFacts I understand your view on the laser but my question was more about if the newer LED "fluffy optic" head is actually an improvement over the "laser slim fluffy" in real world use for making dust/debris visible to the user. I would love to hear your take since you have them both and are very objective.
Well, it's brighter for sure, but I never found it showed dirt that much in daylight anyway. Dirt is either big enough to see anyway or too small to see, even with a laser (in a well lit room). I never really use it to be honest because head switching is a hassle. It does show dust from further away though.
@@VacuumFacts Just an update... I got to test them both side by side in my home and found the LED fluffy optic to be superior at showing the dust in various settings compared to the old laser slim fluffy head. I suspect it's due to the laser brightness being limited by regulations.
@@radicaltyro Yes, that was my experience. The laser is a comparable class 1 type on both machines (eye safe) but lensed differently to highlight more dust. Ultimately, nice as it is cosmetically, it's a bit academic for the reasons outlined in both my reviews.
great review. Would be nice to test it against the Kobold VK7.
Why? There's literally no good reason to, especially given the evidence already available of the performance deficit and other practicality problems with Kobolt machines, as evidenced very clearly here czcams.com/video/ZmzG8XOQAeQ/video.html
James Dyson could not have advertised this better himself!
They probably could have. This is not an advert, though; it's an attempt at a decent review-namely a collection of facts about the technology and the evidence. It's to ensure others out there know the full truth-not just a cherry-picked half-truth-that cuts through the marketing and the propaganda.
@@VacuumFacts I've enjoyed your videos over the years and know you are a fan of Dysons. And truth be told, I am as well - at least of their stick vacs.
Their tech is good, despite what some naysayers would like you to believe. I have tried other products, but they are naff, as my reviews show with evidence. Unless these other companies invest as much as Dyson in R&D, they'll unlikely ever produce as market-leading a product. I'm predicting 2025 will be a revolution year as well for cordless stick vacs.
I recon the near £1k price tag is paying for the new battery factory. Amazing review I actually watched it twice which I don’t normally do 😂. I’ve got the v11 disappointed that if it accidentally falls it normally results in the trigger breaking 😢. I’m not going to get the gen5. Feel the the tool heads don’t match the vacuum unit yet. It’s sad that in Australia they get more tool accessories, but in the UK 🇬🇧 Dyson seems to have forgotten us as his own. Remember James most of us on here bought the DC01 and have been loyal customers.
I think I know what you're saying. Another way to look at it identically is that the V15 got early versions of the Gen5's tools.
Thanks for the video, I think hepa filters don't last forever and need replacement, just like those Dyson air purifiers.
This is factually and observably incorrect and the evidence is shown in the video and discussed. Why do you think that specifically? Are you basing this on evidence? If so, send it along for review. If not, then you might want to think what happens at a microscopic scale once a HEPA filter reaches the "needs replacement" condition that you're assuming. Essentially, do you understand how HEPA filters work? The only good question is why their air purifiers don't offer washable filters rather than having to replace them.
18:49 The new Fluffy Optic cleaner head also fits on my V15. Is this normal?
Not sure at this stage. Could ask Dyson.
Would this Dyson Gen5 be worth upgrading from the Dyson Cyclone V10 Animal + Cordless Vacuum Cleaner? I got it on sale for $399.00 At Costco and can return it (lifetime guaranteed money back or replacement model, if anything at all goes wrong) What extras features or performance would I be getting?
Whether it's worth upgrading is for the buyer to determine, as it's their money. What you would be gaining can be determined by looking at the reviews of the V10, V11, V15, and Gen5 on my channel, which outlines the history of changes. I've produced a new playlist containing them all inspired by your comment to help czcams.com/play/PLBxUOcW7kaEtTYxbNn9-tE4In8AMGYY6A.html
The main features I suppose are much better cleaning performance, better head design that handles large particles, fast reactive suction, superior HEPA filtration, much better tools, better and more comfortable overall user experience, much quieter, and longer runtimes.
I have only carpet and i did buy gen 5 and it only worked on eco. Do u think its faulty. I have tried everything and it was only spinning on eco.
No. This is covered in the review at 16:32
Hej :)
Do you have numbers on the sucktiom power of the Gen5 on the different modes compared to the V15 ?
I am bad at reading the diagram you made, that a sadly to many lines for me 😅
Suction isn't directly relevant ( see czcams.com/video/WzkFvMLy-Eo/video.html ). Cleaning performance is. This is carefully shown in direct comparison to the V15 in the video without lots of lines.
@@VacuumFacts how can i ask then, i more wanna know if i just can run the Gen5 on eco/low and how does it then compare to other vacums on higher settings :)
You need to make careful, representative empirical measurements in a controlled and reproducible way (i.e., basic science). This has been done (as best as can be by an individual without a laboratory) and is shown in the video you're commenting on. FYI: Eco/low mode is a special case mode not intended for normal use. It's for very long (and boring) sessions for which it's not reasonable, for some reason, to break up into bite sized cleaning sessions, as is more desirable for many these days. There are other factors to consider too beyond cleaning performance in a given mode (whose power and performance vary between products, as the data shows), such as run time in those modes. Everything you've currently asked for is in the video you're commenting on. If you're "bad at reading the diagram" I made yet are interested in more technical information like "how does it then compare to other vacums on higher settings", then you need to invest more time and effort to understand it. It's fairly straight forward and shows how effective a given machine is at gradually extracting dust from a carpet. The higher the line, the more that's extracted.
I think I'm going to find a different and more accessible way to present the data next time, so thanks for the feedback.
@@VacuumFacts i think I did not ask properly either, I couldn’t get much of the graph because there where to many lines and they overlapped anyway so I couldn’t tell much of it apart or se any differences.
So my question was also more I the way of if I buy a Gen5 and because it’s „more powerful“ could I for example just run on ECO and it would compare to medium on a v15. What does the more powerful look like an compare to etc :)
But great you take it as some form of feedback, at first I though you got somewhat pissed/ mad at the comment.
What's that attachment over the vacuum ? The red one
Many are red. It'll be one of the newer tools covered at 17:55
Hi, I don't speak English, I'm using the translator, I want to get a good vacuum cleaner, so do you recommend me to get the latest Dyson model the Dyson Gen5detectᵀᴹ Absolute, or do you recommend another model? thanks bye.
The Gen5Detect is the best available I've come across. However, when it comes to purchasing, you need to review the evidence available to you and make your own decisions.
@@VacuumFacts Ok thank you
Any problems with the machine flexing where the tube meets the canister? I've been having problems with a v15 detect. The machine doesn't feel secure when cleaning carpets. Already had an authorized service center repair but still not sturdy feeling. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Not sure what you mean by ‘flexing’, and I’ve never seen it quantified in any meaningful way to demonstrate it’s actually a real thing. I’ve never seen any evidence that, whatever ‘flexing’ means, is in any way detrimental to the machine being successfully used as designed and intended. I’ve also observed no evidence of any significant loosening of joints at modular component connections in any of the products I’ve used. I believe it to be a subjective myth, but I welcome objective evidence quantifying this ‘problem’ for a careful inspection (words and testimony aren’t evidence).
@Vacuum Facts the authorized service centers told me they replaced the cyclones but I'm not sure how that would remedy the problem. The problem is minimized if I use the laser fluffy head. I use my machine on a daily basis as I have a lot of dark hardwood floors to keep clean. My machine is the original V15 Detect with the purple filter cap. My machine doesn't have the built-in crevice,so
maybe that makes a difference. The connection on my machine seems ok but the flexing or wiggling of the tube has left me baffled. I called the Dyson support line describing my problems and got little resolve. I asked for a replacement tube and was told it was on back order.I own several Dyson products and have had very few problems over the years. Should I upgrade to the Gen5 Detect or Gen5 Outsize and just use the laser fluffy head on it and the motorized floor tool on the new machine since that's the only time the flexing movement of the tube is noticeable. Thanks for any advice you can give.
Really, I'm left with my original comment. I've seen no evidence it's a real thing distinct from basic mechanical spring or causes any quantifiable issues whatsoever. I await real evidence. If you call Dyson, they have to do something to fullfil their obligations and usually send out replacement modular parts, but this isn't evidence of any real problem. Whether you choose to upgrade is your decision to make based on budget. I've seen no evidence of a real problem of 'flexing' to distinguish from a subjective myth on any machine and so I can't comment on any product on this topic.
@Vacuum Facts my warranty ran out about a month ago. Is there an easy way to send you a video of the problem? If I stand the machine upright I can hold on to the battery and it will wiggle a small amount at the tube connection point at the machine.
CZcams. It would be nice to review hard evidence (distinct from any old video) quantifying exactly how it stops the machine from functioning to distinguish it from a subjective cosmetic gripe. And then evidence of how to reproduce any genuine failure to show it's a repeatable design problem.
I don’t care what the snobby vacuum community says, great review as always!
I don't either. They're less snobby and more tribal, ignorant, and hostile, demonstrating a very low capacity to think things through and accept evidence. It's very bizarre watching them, and their propensity to spread falsehoods (or half-truths) on tribal grounds was the inspiration for this channel-to neutralise it with evidence and education. And then you get the showy popular channels that are led exclusively by the money, with historically free review products and loads of YT advertising revenue (I refuse to accept either), but that provide trivial cosmetic reviews that often mislead and get it wrong. Such a mess out there, but that's the majority of humanity for you, sadly.
Can’t find this on the Dyson site in the States 😢
It’s coming to the US in June
In real life, can you tell the difference/ergonomics between gen5 and V15? Motor unit is 200g heavier and I guess 400g with brush but is this difference noticeable? I like the idea of a button because on my current vacuum cleaner I have trigger and I can definitely feel my index finder after 15 minutes of holding it. It starts to be not natural after some time even though it's very light touch. I never understood the concept of this because I always press the trigger on start and release at the end.
No, in the video I mention it's hard to tell the difference in weight or inertia between the V15 and Gen5Detect. The latter is more comfortable in the hand due to the cushion and weight distribution from the battery dimension changes. The trigger on the V15 does not require 'holding' since it is feather touch. The amount of force you need to apply to activate it is exactly the same as the amount of force you have to apply to the Gen5Detect handle to hold that in your hand too. Many people let go of the trigger during a cleaning session if moving something or to somewhere else. The problems of a button are highlighted in the video. Personally, I find it's a step backwards in usability.
@@VacuumFacts Thanks for reply. Need to watch the video once again :) I never had Dyson so probably the trigger is different than on xiaomi C1 cleaner but there, while it's very easy to touch and hold I can feel it after some time. It's hard to explain. Maybe it's in my brain or probably Dyson is better in this area. But from what I've read Dyson did this change because of customer wishes so don't know :) Probably it depends how you use it. I simply take the cleaner, trigger button and vacuum the whole basement in one run so for me this trigger makes no sense. But I can see the use with spot cleaning, there it's pretty convenient. But I often found out I started the cleaner randomly when moving back to the station or during a cleaning. It was somehow annoying to keep attention to not press the trigger. You know if you move it you need to still hold it tight and make sure you don't pull the trigger so your index finger is not in natural position since you hold the handle only with 3 other fingers. Just a strange feeling overall but everyone is different.
Can i use my existing attachments from my V6 and DC44 barrell?
Doubt it. Not sure why you'd want to either. If you get a new machine, it comes with its own tools, and they're improved over the old ones.
Now that Zorb has been discontinued what do you recommend moving forward?
Bit OT. I've seen no official announcement from the manufacturer that it's been discontinued (distinct from having no stock), but perhaps you know more. Either way, a simple fact-check reveals there's still lots available to buy online. Alternative equivalents are discussed in the zorb-releated videos and comments and a simple web search for microsponge carpet cleaner can help you there.
I commented on an official Dyson post few weeks ago and they came back to me to say they no longer sell the Zorb powder. I Suspect any that is available online of from retailers is outstanding stock of it.
Shame they no longer sell it but there must be a reason for it. Hopefully they will bring it back in the near future!
@@Dysonballs Yeah, I noticed there was none on Amazon or their website the other day and concluded the same. There's alternatives. I just had some delivered (google for microsponges). Envirodry sell them.
@VacuumFacts least there are alternatives to buy!
I wonder if they are developing something new for dry powder cleaning especially with them recently launching the submarine mop head! Sure time will tell!
Eagerly awaiting the launch of their solid state battery technology soon.
Is the low-reach adapter for this dyson only available where you live?
Not sure. Check Dyson's regional websites for details of what's sold where.
Thanks. Do you know if I'm able to order these even though I'm overseas?
Not sure. Check Dyson's website for your region for details of what's sold.
Hi, greetings from Canada
Thanks for your review.
I’ve reviewed your full review of the Gen 5 and many others but am having a hard time choosing between the v15 absolute with the hepa filter and upgraded wand or the Gen 5.
They are on sale for the holidays
The v15 absolute is 799.99
The Gen 5 is 899.99
Is the Gen 5 worth the extra $100 in your personal opinion based on your research and own experience with both devices.
Happy holidays
Short answer: Yes. Gen5 is the better product.
Hi, these look like they would be really good for people with allergies. Can you provide any recommendation for people who would struggle to afford a Dyson? Even the Dyson V8 is a huge cost that would be a struggle. Are there any good air driven turbo heads that you can recommend to pair with a Nilfisk One? I realise that one would need to do multiple slow passes to achieve good results on carpet. What is the best, healthiest option for low income?
Well, any "whole machine HEPA filtered" product should give HEPA13 grade filtration. In terms of performance and ease of use, it really is down to budget after that. Older Dysons are cheaper to buy (wouldn't go below a V10 for mains equivalence). If they're too expensive, then ones in the sale or second hand ones on eBay are an option. You get what you pay for though, so any cheaper still will be a knockoff product which doesn't perform as well (although, there are many expensive clones which don't perform that well either, as comparative testing shows). I've reviewed a range of products from various brands (see my playlists).
Hi, thanks for your detailed reply. When you say "for mains equivalence" do you mainly mean the battery wont last long enough? The V8 is about half the cost of the V10 where we are. The battery may be good enough in low power mode @@VacuumFacts
I meant mains-equivalent cleaning performance. The V10 onwards performed comparably to mains machines. In fact, in auto mode, they've now exceeded the cleaning performance of all but the very highest end mains machines (e.g., the latest and final Dyson upright). In boost mode (which you're not supoposed to use by default or harm the battery; just spot cleaning), the V15 onwards outclean even those mains machines, which is astounding. In 2025+ when solid state batteries finally appear, run times should also be all but a thing of the past.
6:48. Ive noticed this ever since the v10. Th v8 and below's max suction power was enough for carpet use without struggling to push the unit They limit max suction to a certain point until you either use the main cleaner head or the fluffy on hard floors or any of the suction attachments. Then it will use the full advertised suction. You can tell on the change of the tone the motor produces. So it really makes no sense to have the extra power except for bragging rights and to flex your engineering muscles to show what you can produce with such a small yet highly technical digital motor. Its like owning a dodge hellcat redeye with 797 horsepower when ur never gonna use all that massive power on the street. Then again max should only be used for those rare heavy duty cleaning moments anyways
The real problem is that using boost mode is too energetically expensive for the limited energy supply provided by current battery technologies within a certain weight and volume limit. Come 2025+ when their solid state batteries appear, this should allow much longer run times in higher power modes. This achieves better cleaning but can cause clamping if pressure within the cleaner head falls too low. This is likely to be alleviated optimally with a variable auto-bleed valve being developed apparently. So in the future, you can have your cake and eat it; boost-like performance for long enough without excessive clamping (bit like their final mains machines).
Do you know when this might come to the USA?
There doesn’t appear to be any official date for the launch of the Gen5 in the USA. There is a trademark name Dyson has registered Gen5Outsize so maybe they want to launch both the standard Gen5 and the Outsize version of it together at some point in the USA!?
So it looks like they have plans to update the Outsize model with a Gen5 version!
@@Dysonballs Thanks for the information. Hopefully they release these in the USA soon.
Can I reattach the fluffy head without turning off the vacuum? I’ve noticed that the fluffy head’s green light doesn’t turn back on if I do, and I’m forced to restart the vacuum.
You can physically reattach it. But it won't reconnect without a restart. This is why the trigger was better. You had to let go of the trigger to change the head which turned the machine off.
Thanks for confirming! For a moment I thought that I got a faulty one.
Yeah, I can see your point about the trigger. Wasn’t it tiring on your hand though? I was reading reviews pointing to the fact that their hand was sore at the end of the cleaning session
No. Holding the handle activated the machine without any additional force; there was no need to press anything. It's the same effort as now with the separate button. People's complaints made no sense and suggested they didn't understand how to use a feather-touch trigger.
In Mexico Dyson Gen5 is $1,315.00 US Dollars. Don’t know why it’s 45% more expensive here.
I'm torn between the gen5 detect and the Samsung bespoke jet.
Help?
Watch this Gen5 review video you're commenting on all the way through, then this video czcams.com/video/11agqY2g1rM/video.html , ask any questions, then make a decision.
Miele actually has really good filtration I have a Miele u1 and Dyson v10 as my main vacuums
If by "really good" you mean HEPA13, then many vacuum cleaners have that and it's not clear why you single out a Miele product, which are relatively mediocre. Is it whole machine hepa filtered? (citation required). Lifetime, rinsable filters, or throwaway ones? Do they do the primary filtration work like poor technology, or are they a last line of defense that receives relatively very little dust-loading? Which model are you even talking about? All very vague... Even then, we know it's possible to achieve the level of filtration Dyson's latest machines now offer, so it's poor that others don't. They're relatively polluting in comparison now.
@@VacuumFactsMiele bagless vacuums are horrible I ain’t defending those I’m just talking about there bagged vacuums are pretty good at filtration yes it’s not better than the gen 5 buts still very good for most people
@@VacuumFactsit’s whole machine nothing gets passed the bag they have the hepa post Motor filter for the carbon dust from the motor
@@VacuumFactsand yes you do have to replace them but I don’t mind but my v10 filter is falling apart I might actually have to buy a new one
@@VacuumFactsotherwise good video
In couple of years Dyson will start charging 5k for a vacuum , this is mind blowing honestly
It's like with Apple (and everything else, but I guess apple started this craziness and others just learned), sadly. Basically same product as predecessor with minor improvements for a 30% higher price. In the past when there was a new model, the price was +/- the same as the previous model at the time of release and now every single year the price for a new model is higher while the price of the old model keeps it price at the day of release. Ridiculous.
Still trying to decide if this is worth the premium over the V15...
Iv got that some decision to make, could I ask what one you went with?
@@bradleys2987 Not sure if its worth the extra money, but we ended up with the Gen5Detect. Its an awesome stick vacuum.
11:46 It seems the 0.5 to 4.2 micron size range is referring to the separation efficiency of the Jet Cyclone technology. They don't say what size particles the filtration system can trap at 99.999% efficiency, but I highly doubt it's 0.3 microns or smaller.
They very explicitly state it's the filtration performance of their machine following the IEC test standard using their boost mode (i.e. the best they can get). They capture 99.999% of particles to 0.5 µm in size (i.e. easy, huge boulders). It's not as impressive as it sounds, and they patronise the customer by hoping they are too ignorant of what all this means to see through their snake oil and inferiority relative to their better competitor's technology.
@@VacuumFacts Yeah I agree with you. It seems like the multi-cyclonic design's of Dyson's competitors doesn't quite match up to Dyson's Root Cyclone and Radial Root Cyclone technologies, and of course the Cinetic cyclones have no competition that can match it. I'm glad that I bought a Dyson for myself for Christmas lol
Very interesting! In Home Shopping channels like QVC or HSN they always says the V8, V10 etc. has Hepa filtration.
Well, while I wouldn't assign much in the way of credibility to shopping channels when it comes to facts and details, in this case, it's because it's true; they do have HEPA filtration, just of a lesser grade than newer models, as you might expect.
@@VacuumFactsThank for you fast answer! Your right about the shopping channels. But before the Gen 5 I overhaul an interesting point:
So far I can tell it Dyson itself never use the word "Hepa (13, 14..)" in their own Videos or on their own sites so I was confused.
So thank you for your clarification, very important I think!
Are previous accessories compatible with this machine?
Only unpowered ones from the V15, as discussed in the video.
Is the older generation wand clip compatible with the gen5 detect?
@@LienTran-xe8gk Yes
@@VacuumFacts great, thanks! Just placed an order for this vacuum based on your very informative video. Have owned a v8 and a v10. Was deciding between this or the v15 😁
@@LienTran-xe8gk And if you don't like it, that's what the 90-day money back guarantee is for, I guess.
This is insane encyclopedia level of review, this is an scientific experiment, this is what dysons engineers doing in their lab. Thank you
I had ordered the v15 and it is on its way to me but this review made me order the gen5 as well 😂😂 guess I will be returning the v15 😂
Filter Queen has been dethroned in the filtration category lol. Their filtration efficiency is 99.98% @ 0.1 microns, so seeing 99.99% efficiency from the Gen5 is amazing. If I can save up the money someday, I would love to get one.
The Filter Queen does not specify the size range associated with their "99.98%" claim on their (broken and ugly) website. They don't even make the claim it's HEPA grade or whole machine HEPA filtered. Even their replacement filters page doesn't specify. It's almost certainly not therefore. Even their cordless stick vac, Dyson clone, bandwagon jump product claims to be HEPA filtered but fails to specify the size range and capture efficiency. These are not the hallmarks of a reputable product, as discussed in this very review video. There's nothing about their products as advertised or the way they work that's impressive at all.
You'd be better saving up and getting the next model, which looks to be radically different from their current models.
@@VacuumFacts Lol they haven't changed the design of their Majestic vacuum in decades. I highly doubt they're going to change it.
@@VacuumFacts Yeah I just looked at their website and they don't specify their filtration efficiency. Weird.
I don't think it's weird; they're a dodgy company. You'd withhold the full truth if you're trying to deceive potential customers.
I still have a V8 only reason ID buy this is the battery 😅
can you test this against the Samsung Bespoke Jet? I don't understand why you put the Jet 90 as competition
The Jet 90 was the machine I tested and had data for at the time. I don't have access to the new machine. There's no good reason to think its performance will be on par with the best, given the specs and details provided by the manufacturer. There's very little fundamentally different technology. Much of what's said in the jet 90 review will remain valid, but the cleaning performance will, qualitatively, likely be a bit better but not up there with the best. The technology is fundamentally inferior than the best products on the market (as covered in the jet 90's review), but is slightly cheaper.
I fact, the more I read about that product, the more of a scam it seems to be. It costs £999! That's so outrageously ridiculous, people would literally have to be stupid to fall for that. It has much of the same core technology and design choices already shown to be inferior in the Jet90 review. There is better tech out there for a lower price.
Unless all other reviewers are Samsung fanboys, i dont see much difference between the bespoke jet and the dyson. Both on hard floor with the soft brush and on carpets. In some tests ive seen the dyson was even outperformed. Regardless, the bespoke jet can be found for 400-500 euros. I dont think its a bad price at all considering it comes with the cleaning station and similar performance. I also think it looks less tacky than the dyson. But personally i dont see the superior technological advancements over the bespoke jet. Ofcourse, dyson makes excellent products though.
I'd recommend watching my Jet 90 review. czcams.com/video/11agqY2g1rM/video.html The core technologies are present in the bespoke which were clearly evidenced to be inferior. It's motor is more powerful now, and so is likely to achieve better cleaning performance (by brute force rather than efficiency), but there's no reason based on available evidence to think it exceeds the best on the market. All the other drawbacks outlined in the earlier review will apply based on the information available by the manufacturer. The price is completely unjustified. Can you link to the tests which you referred to? I suspect they show the same common flaws always seen in almost all youtube testing which makes it unrepresentative and unreliable. Please can you also cite where the bespoke jet is available for £400-500 Euros? Something doesn't sound right about that and it would only serve to highlight the scam price the retailer expects you to pay. Only RRPs count-sales and discounts are conditional and transient and not apples-to-apples price comparisons.
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at £850 this machine is reserved for the extreme vacuum enthusiast or exhibitionist. believe we are also getting to a point of diminishing returns, maybe i am just upset i just got a v15 a few days ago lol.
If you got it a few days ago, you can return it under warranty and buy this if that's what you want to do. Still cost you more to do that though.
The V15 is still a fantastic cleaner but Dyson just keeps outdoing themselves.
the v15 is better. I mean i like the trigger better than the placement of the on/off button. on both v12 and gen5
I wonder if they wouldn't be better off pricing it $100 cheaper. The revenue from more sales at a lower price amy be more that that with the higher price. That $850 really makes it a niche product.
I'm sure at £750, people would still suggest they might be better pricing it £100 off at £650... and so on until people are being paid to have one.
@@VacuumFacts Well obviously not since we know that the V15 sells well at $650. No need to be ridiculous.
Not having access to sales figures or any other internal company information which informs decision making, I of course, couldn't say. The sales success of one of their products is also none of my concern, not being a beneficiary in any way.
I'm very tempted by their vacuums, but two things have kept me from buying them: their cheap looking plastics, and the astronomically high prices. With the Gen5, they addressed the first issue. The price however is still an issue. As technology advanced as they may be, it's still difficult to justify paying that much. I wonder how many more they could sell if they lowered the price, and attracted a few more customers? Anyway, I hope the competition gets more aggressive, because that's always interesting to see.
The 'cheap looking plastics' has always been cosmetic nonsense and the Gen5Detect has done nothing differently to any of their products going back many years. Objective evidence clearly demonstrates they are more durable than the competitor machines (see other reviews for evidence). They are designed to last for 10 years at the very least, on the assumption they are not abused or neglected-as with any product. Evidence of faulty/broken Dysons always comes from known anti-Dyson sources, are cherry-picked, and are never reproduced to show it wasn't abuse and neglect-deeply unconvincing (applies to other brands too). Dyson's cleaners are best in class products and that is reflected in their price. This is capitalism. If you want the best, you have to pay the premium for the best; it's as simple as that. The idea of lowering price to attract more customers is a fallacy. Their prices were relatively lowered previous generation. All that did was encourage the copycat clone competition to charge just as much for an inferior product and take advantage of the unwitting customer (there are many several hundred pound/dollar clones). This generation, Dyson increased the relative price to make *absolutely clear* their products were better. The competition couldn't charge that much. The fault of high prices lies not with Dyson, but with their greedy competition across the board who raise the floor price and try to shortcut to a high profit margin on the cheap at the customers' expense. This is completely clear now. Having said that, this is what transient sales are for. Buying a cheaper, older Dyson model remains a much better financial choice than buying a newer clone.
Excellent review.
But How much. Wow. I love Dyson but that’s beyond expensive and beyond most people reach. I love my v15 and v11 and got them when on offer, but that price is just too much now. Don’t get me wrong, Dyson add a lot of technology to there vacuum’s, but in the current climate, that it tad too far. For me any how.
The video explained why and who was indirectly to blame.
How many watts does the motor consume?
The power the machine consumes varies depending on dirt load, motor power mode, and tools in use. You should estimate it from the data available if you're genuinely interested. What's more important is the cleaning performance and the cleaning performance per watt, seeing as that's what you're using it for, but they'd need to be measured formally.
@@VacuumFacts When the machine has been in use for a while, is there any difference in temperature between the air entering the machine and leaving?
I would hope so to avoid violating the laws of physics.
@@VacuumFacts What is the difference in temperature entering / leaving the machine compared to less efficient motors from other machines you have owned? The patronising comment you made about the laws of physics isn't relevant anyway since with some motors, they aren't going to get hot enough to actually notice a difference in temperature. I'm curious about the heat generated from the V15 / Gen5 - is it noticeable like a bushed motor machine?
I've no idea; I've never measured it because it's a completely useless and inaccurate thing to do. Again, I'd recommend making these kind of measurements yourself if you're genuinely interested.
No running costs?! Those filters don’t replace themselves. (Nor do they last 12 months)
I suggest you watch the video where I show this is false
@@VacuumFacts you claim the filters don’t loose performance over time. This is nonsense. I’ve got a V10 and I know others with V11. The filters get clogged up such that washing them doesnt clear them any more and they need replacing. This is from normal household use in a family of 4. Don’t get me wrong it is still the best vacuum on the market but those filters need replacing every 8 months or so if you don’t want to be plagued by errors on the machine.
I do note you are making this claim in context of v15 or newer devices - if they have solved the issue of filters clogging in the v15 then that is very good news! Do you agree it is an issue in v10/v11?
I will also note that my shroud is definitely clogged - which I’m happy to concede could be reducing the performance of my filters. But I have never let it fill past the full line - this has just happened over time. I didn’t realise this being clogged would result in more issues on the main filter so I will definitely try and unclog the shroud. Any tips on how to do that?
I've measured that they don't lose performance if treated correctly. My suspicion is that they are either not being treated correctly and it's user error that is the cause of the 'clogs', or that they actually aren't clogged at all and it's all in people's heads. Please send along a precise methodology (and corresponding data) to reproduce your claim for assessment because, unfortunately, I've no reason to believe it since it conflicts with empirical measurements made. Your wild claims are far too vague and conflict with observation that it is absolutely possible for these filters to always retain their original performance.