Double green handles aggro and ramps the best. Has the best match against Vader Blue also. It does suffer the most against Boba though which normally should be a good match for Palp and can be weaker against other Palp decks depending on draws.
Love your content. I think it's the very best. As a career game designer, I owe a great deal of my insights from games like SWU. So it's super helpful to hear a knowledgeable person like yourself dig deep and objectively into the game. The new set can't get here fast enough!!!
I am in no rush for the new set to be released. I think slow, measured releases which allow time for the meta to change and settle over time is far superior to quick releases.
Hi. Newbie to tcg’s. At first, I only purchased the SWU SOR cards because I liked the graphics. The YT algorithm introduced me to your channel. Your videos got me interested in playing the game and the deck lists you shared have been invaluable. Thank you for the time and effort you put into making each video. One thing I have a very hard time with is choosing what to resource, especially at the start. In a future video can you please walk us through a few decks you’ve previously shown, draw a few mulligans, and share your thoughts on what you would resource? I know I would not be playing SWU if it had not been for your videos. Thank you!
Solid build. I do think Palpatine Yellow is just as good, shoot first is great early game cheap removal. No good to me dead is great on opponents leader. And I like the stability Seventh Fleet Defender and Bossk give mid game, often giving you good targets for Overwhelming Barrage.
No Starvipers in 60 cards is surprising to me, especially with 3 Yularen in the main deck. (I prefer Starviper over grabbing a sandwich 🥳😂) Super Nice analysis, as usual🧐
Great video as usual.. Thoughts on using Tie Advanced over Imperial Interceptor? Wondering if the the experience for "Imperials" would go further? Or is more about hopefully just clearing a space unit from the boards?
I’ve played nothing but Palpatine blue, with a very high record. My concern about this variant VS the blue list is that it still dies to aggro, and now game 1 vs control (which is see a lot) is not as good since we have no vigilance. I like a lot here tho, and might try it out!
Génial ! Je l’attendais celle là. Je suis sur une version rouge de Palpatine depuis un petit moment. Je trouve que le rouge lui va bien. Moins ennuyeux à jouer que le bleu. Je trouve ta version intéressante et vais l’essayer. Le Raider est une bonne idée pour blesser l’unité qui sera volée sans avoir à utiliser le pouvoir de Palpatine. J’aime beaucoup l’amiral Motti avec Palpatine. En fin de partie c’est très violent pour aider à finir le boulot. Je trouve que la liste a du mal à tenir contre un aggro bien piloté si le tirage n’est pas bon. Merci pour ton boulot 🙏🏻
Merci ;) Oui la liste est nul contre aggro c'est totalemnt volontaire, je part du principe que le deck n'a presque aucune chance, donc je préfére abandonner cette cause perdu pour me consentrer sur les autres Match up.
Double green handles aggro better and ramps the best. Has the best match against Vader Blue also. It does suffer the most against Boba though which normally should be a good match for Palp and can be weaker against other Palp decks depending on draws.
Quick aside: I have been playing Cunning Emp since release, honing as I go. I feel Sneak Attack is an insanely powerful card, for the very reasons you are playing Piett--and without the susceptibility of being defeated. I cannot count the games I have won from Sneak Walker or Sneak Devastator or even turn 1 sneak to be a turn ahead all game. I would encourage you to take another look at this build. ISB Agent is a great tool for the errant damage, piling on with Barrage, your leader's pre-deploy ability, etc. Turn 1 ISB and toss him is so clutch. There are certainly cards like Raider that are great, but I think Sneak and No Good to me Dead are reason enough to try Cunning--the latter helping quite a bit against so many different strategies.
I think cunning as great potential but it's a completely different deck. It's more like a combo tempo deck than a traditional control ramp. I would love to see your list!
So Store Showdowns are coming up/happening now. A lot of the formats seem to be Swiss/No Top Cut and Best of 1 with no side decking, due to time constraints and Asmodee recommendations. What would you recommend playing in this? It seems like it's Aggro (Leia/Red or Sabine) or bust for a Top 8. Boba could do well, but I think my area will have a solid amount of control.
Excellent video, as usual. I'm surprised you're not talking about this mini-metagame that control decks seem to have against each other through milling and anti-milling techniques. How is your deck handling being milled? Also, try Motti! It's is really good once your opponent claims initiative, specially in Palpy.
I talk about it in my "how to counter control" video, but this option is not available for non blue deck and tbh i think I would rather play relentless+ emperor's legion anyway. Aside from the fact that it's way more fun, it simply close game way faster which is very useful in tournament.
Basically I don't like force throw nor force lightning unless I have enough force enablers in my deck. In this deck all my force unit cost 7 or more, which would make either of those cards very late game focused. But I already dominate the late game so not what I am looking for
Thorrk, how do you think your Han deck fares against the 5k winning Vader deck? Ive got a week to practice and Im having trouble deciding what to run. Ive been using Chirrut but he gets crushed by blue control.
@Thorrk_THT Are those the ones you talked about in the Han video after you won the TTI tourney? It seems like 60-70% of the meta is the same 4 leaders (boba, sabine, vader and iden). It does seem like it should do well against them.
Testing the list on forcetable to see how it feels, what bothered me the most is the gigantic gaping hole in the curve, there's not nearly enough 4 cost and 5 cost plays. Add that to the fact that you don't always draw Royal Guard, and your early to midgame is sometimes non-existent. if if weren't for the fact that the A.I. on Forcetable plays abysmally bad, I don't think I would've ever won against aggro. Even Barrage feels bad, cause you almost never have a decent unit on the board to use it on. I think blue is the way to go, but then again, at that point I'm sticking with Krennic and ECL any day of the week, because in that particular case, I think that deck can realistically play against aggro, instead of just having to let go of that matchup entirely, like you correctly pointed out about this one.
I think that's because you don't know the deck strategy. Turn 1 and 2 you want to play units to trade with aggro, then turn 3 and 4 you just want to remove whatever the opponent is playing with Barrage, Traitorous, Fleet, open fire... And against control, you just want to ramp as much as you can and therefore skip turn 3 and 4. So there is no point playing stuff for 4 and 5 especially as there isn't anything particularly good for that price in the current card pool.
I play mostly Palp and I agree with a lot of what you said. However, whether you're playing Palp Vigilance or Palp Aggression, imo 3x Motti is an auto-include. It's just WAY, WAY too strong with him and easily the most important card in the deck.
@@Thorrk_THT Admiral Motti. 2 drop 1/1 card from the 2 player starter that readies a Villainy unit when defeated. Important for Palp decks for many reasons, not the least of which is it allows Palp to attack up to 4 times on the flip turn.
@@Thorrk_THT Yep. I'm straight up saying I think those good players got it wrong lol. I'm willing to go on that limb. That Palp can trigger a just played/exhausted Motti is what separates it from use in other leaders where you have to try harder to kill him. And when played well, he's functionally immune to removal as a counter (except Waylay) because your opponent would just be doing the work for you. It's extra actions that impact tempo and can result in your opponent grabbing initiative, which is a noteworthy downside. But imo readying an exhausted Vader, Avenger, Palp, etc and getting to use them 2x+ in one turn isn't that situational and pretty much always worth it.
hi. seems like you have not pre board vs hard control, how do you manage to win a bo3 if the first match goes for 30+ minutes and your answer to them are in sideboard?
If you play at a decent pace and know when to concede you can finish/win game fairly quickly with this deck vs control. Feel free to main relentless if you're afraid of timing out.
Yes, I think Palpatine Green does well against Aggro. The thing is if you manage to ECL turn 3 Viper or Royal Guard and follow it with Command to give it +2 and kill something is amazing. Also Barrage is quite good against aggro on a Royal Guard. Of course you have to draw that, but from my expérience, double green is a good compromise, as it's still very good against control and command really helps against aggro.
@@AmbroiseLabelle competely disagree with that, green actually makes the mu even worst you lose the efficent removal red provide, you get ECL yes but you lose 5 hp on your base. Double green is the worst palpatine version in my opinion you lose a lot and don't get much in return. Everything you describe ( royal guard a Into barrage) any palpatine can do it and it never prevented them from getting absolutely destroyed against aggro.
If you are aggro, how do you deal with ECL Royal Guard or Viper followed by Command, followed by Barrage? If Palp draws that, from my experience, he can't loose.
@@AmbroiseLabelle well if you have exactly the right answers to everything the aggro player is doing you will be in a good spot. But red or blue give you a much wider array of efficient answers than green does and that's not even close. Just compare the efficiency and versatility of a force choke/open fire compared to command lol. Command is very expensive and only targets non unique which makes it a dead card most of the time.
What do you think how this deck will perform in a meta at my locals where mostly boba mono yellow, iden/green, iden/red, vader/blue and han/green is played?
Amazing videos like you do! This deck looks interesting and I am excited to try it out. Thank you for making these!
Hi thanks for the Palp video i needed this! You really helped me with all of your content! Keep it coming!
Double green handles aggro and ramps the best. Has the best match against Vader Blue also. It does suffer the most against Boba though which normally should be a good match for Palp and can be weaker against other Palp decks depending on draws.
Love your content. I think it's the very best. As a career game designer, I owe a great deal of my insights from games like SWU. So it's super helpful to hear a knowledgeable person like yourself dig deep and objectively into the game. The new set can't get here fast enough!!!
I am in no rush for the new set to be released. I think slow, measured releases which allow time for the meta to change and settle over time is far superior to quick releases.
Hi. Newbie to tcg’s. At first, I only purchased the SWU SOR cards because I liked the graphics. The YT algorithm introduced me to your channel. Your videos got me interested in playing the game and the deck lists you shared have been invaluable. Thank you for the time and effort you put into making each video. One thing I have a very hard time with is choosing what to resource, especially at the start. In a future video can you please walk us through a few decks you’ve previously shown, draw a few mulligans, and share your thoughts on what you would resource? I know I would not be playing SWU if it had not been for your videos. Thank you!
Toujours un contenu très solide. Merci
Always insightful!
Love this hot take. Palp has been my favorite Leader since the beginning. I want him to has Unlimited Power.
Solid build. I do think Palpatine Yellow is just as good, shoot first is great early game cheap removal. No good to me dead is great on opponents leader. And I like the stability Seventh Fleet Defender and Bossk give mid game, often giving you good targets for Overwhelming Barrage.
No Starvipers in 60 cards is surprising to me, especially with 3 Yularen in the main deck. (I prefer Starviper over grabbing a sandwich 🥳😂) Super Nice analysis, as usual🧐
Great video as usual.. Thoughts on using Tie Advanced over Imperial Interceptor? Wondering if the the experience for "Imperials" would go further? Or is more about hopefully just clearing a space unit from the boards?
Hey P! Han has been my other favorite deck. Do you think Han would struggle against this red Palatine?
Yes it would
I’ve played nothing but Palpatine blue, with a very high record. My concern about this variant VS the blue list is that it still dies to aggro, and now game 1 vs control (which is see a lot) is not as good since we have no vigilance. I like a lot here tho, and might try it out!
Génial ! Je l’attendais celle là. Je suis sur une version rouge de Palpatine depuis un petit moment. Je trouve que le rouge lui va bien. Moins ennuyeux à jouer que le bleu. Je trouve ta version intéressante et vais l’essayer. Le Raider est une bonne idée pour blesser l’unité qui sera volée sans avoir à utiliser le pouvoir de Palpatine. J’aime beaucoup l’amiral Motti avec Palpatine. En fin de partie c’est très violent pour aider à finir le boulot. Je trouve que la liste a du mal à tenir contre un aggro bien piloté si le tirage n’est pas bon. Merci pour ton boulot 🙏🏻
Merci ;)
Oui la liste est nul contre aggro c'est totalemnt volontaire, je part du principe que le deck n'a presque aucune chance, donc je préfére abandonner cette cause perdu pour me consentrer sur les autres Match up.
@@Thorrk_THTmerci pour ton retour. Je suis un utopiste. J’ai pas encore abandonné l’idée d’une liste plus équilibrée avec lui 😅
Double green handles aggro better and ramps the best. Has the best match against Vader Blue also. It does suffer the most against Boba though which normally should be a good match for Palp and can be weaker against other Palp decks depending on draws.
Quick aside: I have been playing Cunning Emp since release, honing as I go. I feel Sneak Attack is an insanely powerful card, for the very reasons you are playing Piett--and without the susceptibility of being defeated. I cannot count the games I have won from Sneak Walker or Sneak Devastator or even turn 1 sneak to be a turn ahead all game. I would encourage you to take another look at this build. ISB Agent is a great tool for the errant damage, piling on with Barrage, your leader's pre-deploy ability, etc. Turn 1 ISB and toss him is so clutch. There are certainly cards like Raider that are great, but I think Sneak and No Good to me Dead are reason enough to try Cunning--the latter helping quite a bit against so many different strategies.
I think cunning as great potential but it's a completely different deck. It's more like a combo tempo deck than a traditional control ramp.
I would love to see your list!
So Store Showdowns are coming up/happening now. A lot of the formats seem to be Swiss/No Top Cut and Best of 1 with no side decking, due to time constraints and Asmodee recommendations.
What would you recommend playing in this? It seems like it's Aggro (Leia/Red or Sabine) or bust for a Top 8. Boba could do well, but I think my area will have a solid amount of control.
Excellent video, as usual.
I'm surprised you're not talking about this mini-metagame that control decks seem to have against each other through milling and anti-milling techniques. How is your deck handling being milled?
Also, try Motti! It's is really good once your opponent claims initiative, specially in Palpy.
I talk about it in my "how to counter control" video, but this option is not available for non blue deck and tbh i think I would rather play relentless+ emperor's legion anyway.
Aside from the fact that it's way more fun, it simply close game way faster which is very useful in tournament.
Great Video! What are your thoughts on Disabling fang fighter vs Power Failure for this deck? Thanks in advance.
In the current meta fang fighter is superior.
What are your thoughts on force lightning? ⚡️
Basically I don't like force throw nor force lightning unless I have enough force enablers in my deck.
In this deck all my force unit cost 7 or more, which would make either of those cards very late game focused. But I already dominate the late game so not what I am looking for
Thorrk, how do you think your Han deck fares against the 5k winning Vader deck? Ive got a week to practice and Im having trouble deciding what to run. Ive been using Chirrut but he gets crushed by blue control.
I think it does very well, especilly with the latest change I have made to it.
@Thorrk_THT Are those the ones you talked about in the Han video after you won the TTI tourney? It seems like 60-70% of the meta is the same 4 leaders (boba, sabine, vader and iden). It does seem like it should do well against them.
@@Thorrk_THT what changes?!?!? i need to know..i have a win a case on the 4th and I am taking Han.
@@rlee126684 he has a video on it, the TTI results one. The main changes are spark of rebellion now in main deck, bodhi in sideboard
I also think Cell Block guard is better than probe droid in this deck, mainly because when Vader drops you want a Sentinel target if you can.
well not very comparable since Cell block is a 3-drop, the problem is that the 3-drop curve is already very busy
Testing the list on forcetable to see how it feels, what bothered me the most is the gigantic gaping hole in the curve, there's not nearly enough 4 cost and 5 cost plays. Add that to the fact that you don't always draw Royal Guard, and your early to midgame is sometimes non-existent. if if weren't for the fact that the A.I. on Forcetable plays abysmally bad, I don't think I would've ever won against aggro. Even Barrage feels bad, cause you almost never have a decent unit on the board to use it on. I think blue is the way to go, but then again, at that point I'm sticking with Krennic and ECL any day of the week, because in that particular case, I think that deck can realistically play against aggro, instead of just having to let go of that matchup entirely, like you correctly pointed out about this one.
PS: my feelings on the list have nothing to do with the video itself, it's still amazing content as always.
I think that's because you don't know the deck strategy.
Turn 1 and 2 you want to play units to trade with aggro, then turn 3 and 4 you just want to remove whatever the opponent is playing with Barrage, Traitorous, Fleet, open fire... And against control, you just want to ramp as much as you can and therefore skip turn 3 and 4.
So there is no point playing stuff for 4 and 5 especially as there isn't anything particularly good for that price in the current card pool.
I play mostly Palp and I agree with a lot of what you said.
However, whether you're playing Palp Vigilance or Palp Aggression, imo 3x Motti is an auto-include. It's just WAY, WAY too strong with him and easily the most important card in the deck.
which motti are you talking about?
@@Thorrk_THT Admiral Motti. 2 drop 1/1 card from the 2 player starter that readies a Villainy unit when defeated.
Important for Palp decks for many reasons, not the least of which is it allows Palp to attack up to 4 times on the flip turn.
@@jeffkoenig7402 I find him very situational and most good players I know do not run him. I will give it an other chance.
@@Thorrk_THT Yep. I'm straight up saying I think those good players got it wrong lol. I'm willing to go on that limb. That Palp can trigger a just played/exhausted Motti is what separates it from use in other leaders where you have to try harder to kill him. And when played well, he's functionally immune to removal as a counter (except Waylay) because your opponent would just be doing the work for you.
It's extra actions that impact tempo and can result in your opponent grabbing initiative, which is a noteworthy downside. But imo readying an exhausted Vader, Avenger, Palp, etc and getting to use them 2x+ in one turn isn't that situational and pretty much always worth it.
hi. seems like you have not pre board vs hard control, how do you manage to win a bo3 if the first match goes for 30+ minutes and your answer to them are in sideboard?
If you play at a decent pace and know when to concede you can finish/win game fairly quickly with this deck vs control. Feel free to main relentless if you're afraid of timing out.
Is there an active discord your on? Id love to pick your brain about a few things
please ask here :)
How about teching Han green against control?
My New version is but that's not what this video is about
Any replacement for Vader in this deck?
If I didn't have vader I would simply bring the anti control tech ( relentless and emperor's legion in the main
is there a Palpatine list (of any color) that CAN consistently beat aggro decks?
Not to my knowledge, playing without a leader is too big of a disadvanatge.
Yes, I think Palpatine Green does well against Aggro.
The thing is if you manage to ECL turn 3 Viper or Royal Guard and follow it with Command to give it +2 and kill something is amazing.
Also Barrage is quite good against aggro on a Royal Guard.
Of course you have to draw that, but from my expérience, double green is a good compromise, as it's still very good against control and command really helps against aggro.
@@AmbroiseLabelle competely disagree with that, green actually makes the mu even worst you lose the efficent removal red provide, you get ECL yes but you lose 5 hp on your base. Double green is the worst palpatine version in my opinion you lose a lot and don't get much in return. Everything you describe ( royal guard a
Into barrage) any palpatine can do it and it never prevented them from getting absolutely destroyed against aggro.
If you are aggro, how do you deal with ECL Royal Guard or Viper followed by Command, followed by Barrage? If Palp draws that, from my experience, he can't loose.
@@AmbroiseLabelle well if you have exactly the right answers to everything the aggro player is doing you will be in a good spot. But red or blue give you a much wider array of efficient answers than green does and that's not even close.
Just compare the efficiency and versatility of a force choke/open fire compared to command lol. Command is very expensive and only targets non unique which makes it a dead card most of the time.
"Control Killer" with Relentless just in SB?
because it's mostly good against hard control. If hard control sees enough play to justify it , don't hesitate to place it in the main deck.
What do you think how this deck will perform in a meta at my locals where mostly boba mono yellow, iden/green, iden/red, vader/blue and han/green is played?
It will prefrom well, you might struggle a bit vs boba yellow
Played this tonight an an event for weekly. Easy 3-0