The Mystery Of The Whistling Bullets: Psychological Warfare, 200 AD
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- čas přidán 10. 08. 2016
- When Dr. John Reid, Chairman of the Trimontium Trust, contacted us and asked for our help in order to shed some light on an ancient mystery, we immediately agreed!
Dr. Reid and his team did some excavations at the 1800 years old battle site at Burnswark in Scotland, where a full Roman legion laid siege to a Caledonian hilltop fortification and eventually stormed the place.
Dr. Reid's team found hundreds of lead sling bullets in the small patches they excavated, which means that there were thousands upon thousands of such shots fired in that battle.
The curious thing is that about 20% of the bullets were very small (only about 20 grams) and had a hole drilled into them, 4 mm in diameter and 6 mm deep. What was the purpose of that hole?
Dr. Reid believes that it was done in order to make them whistle in flight so to irritate the opponents, but he wasn't really able to shoot the bullets at the speed the ancient slingers mastered.
He came to the right place! We did our part and contributed to the body of scientific work. And had plenty of fun!
A "The Slingshot Channel" production. - Věda a technologie
Future archeologists will think there was a war at jeorgs farm
lmfao
at the turn of the 21'st century, a three sided battle comparable to ajincourt played out on a farm owned by a man named Jeorg.
The first side was armed with slingshots
second side was armed with air-powered crossbows
and the third side was armed with compound bows
They intersect at the barn door which has had it's post replaced due to various cracks and splits.
More than just one!
Mike Mchugh LOL
Mike Mchugh THERE WAS A FIRE FIGHT!!! 🤣
Meanwhile 30,000 ft above, air France plane experiences engine failure flying over German man's home
And thats without a ball bearing hitting the engine. just a usual flight for france..
TsiiiIIIIIII*THUNK* -"what the hell!!??"
@@Blackburn6969 the last Concord
😂😂😂
This statement is obviously false. There is a no-fly zone above joergs house
This is pretty much how I envisioned growing up when I was a kid.
Oh man, the giddy laugh of Dr. Reid when you hit the coconut made me smile. Its so fun to see this academic just playing in the shed with you trying to figure something out.
He seems very likeable.
They look like bully and bullied befriending years later and playing together, didn't they?
@@Zelsius00 It's very nice of Joerg to forgive his bully :D
He definitely felt like he was out of his comfort shell in the beginning but came around and had a lot of fun during the course of the video! Loved it
@@ReignLowell-CaedoFaeda Well, I guess that was more because of the camera. With enough time passed one tends to relax and be able to forget the camera for those moments of joy ^^
I was skeptical....until the camera went to receiving end. That is terrifying! The psych damage would be measurable. Wow.
Now imagine a slow bombardment of those all night as you try to man defenses while being trapped between 2 Roman forces with the occasional ballista stone able to bust through walls being launched your dirrection.
@@dynamicworlds1 I was going to say the same thing that is scary as hell
I jumped, didn't think it would be that effective.
i was legit scared hearing that thing flying toward me. i cant imagine hundreds of those flying at you at once.
Talk about a rain of terror!
Damn it, now everyone is going to be asking me to make whistling shotgun slugs now. Cool video!!
That would be awesome!
you beat me to it lol
more of a glock guy Lol, people have been asking me for a long time to make whistling slugs. I can try this with the cube slugs since I have a few of those left.
***** cool, will be looking forward to it.
I think your slugs should be screaming, not just whistling! A shotgun is a shotgun is a shotgun.
this channel is a perfect example of youtube at its best. just a genuine human wanting to show the world his passion.
thank you for making the videos that you do.
The future generations will comb through your land and say, “there was once a great battle here”
What future generation... we are among the last of the land dwellers
@@terminathor2160 We seriously need an AI overlord to take the planet away from us. It won't last much as it is
@@Netherdan It wasn't supposed to.
This Germanic lord must have been attacked by barbarian raiders very frequently. But since we couldn’t find any damage at this castle, he must have been successfully defending himself. What still puzzles us though are these signs of damage on his barn. Maybe the barbarians managed to take the barn as a shelter at some point.
Reminds me of a Stewart Francis joke. "My neighbor is in the Guinness Book of World Records for having the most concussions. He lives very close, in fact just a stone's throw away."
"So it penetrates clothing and the body, and carries poison AND it whistles" *maniac laugher from both of them*
Dayum, those Romans weren't messing around!
Ain't nobody got time to confirm kills, they have people to kill, places to conquer, cultures to assimilate, and so on and so forth.
+Prompted Hawk Ave
They Sent Three I don't know how you know this, but I have spent way too much time recently watching AvE. I have a video of his open right now, in fact.
+Prompted Hawk Can't keep your mind on one thing and focus, you fack?
14:14 That sold me the "terror" factor.. Having a few of those whistling past your head must have been terrifying.
19:46 same train of thought. The swing becomes more than double the power, with the added length of the swing arm mechanism, and the ability to push with the lead hand as you pull with the bottom hand, to make a very strong and fast sweeping motion. I have alot of training with a Bo staff, and its the first thing that came to mind was a short bow staff with a nail on the end! bravo
I think the launching stick is the most logical reason for the holes being the same size. What Joerg seems to have missed, though, is that they wouldn't necessarily have to have been launched by swinging them with the arm. They could have been launched in more of a bow-like fashion, using the spring of the wood. The launcher could have held the bottom of the stick in one hand and have drawn the top back with the other, or a two meter long stick could have been planted in holes in the battlements and drawn and released to launch.
Or even longer if one end is secured in place. Great point.
holy shit - the viewpoint of the receiving end was Terrifying.
that's what she said
+William Morgan lol!
I LEGIT DUCKED. omg
lol that's the point
i don't even need coffee anymore
2000 years from now people are going to find these balls and try to figure out what the heck you were doing lol
They will come to the scientifically proven prediction that he was trying to show us their features
No doubt Russia will be blamed for it!
Considering the nature of current technology so long as humanity doesn't plunge back into the darkages, any stored data should be very accessible for a very very long period of time.
F OX
Well, can you access anything stored on floppy-discs today? or old hard-drives? - and that's 20 years, not 200, or 2000! .... so, I'm not so sure about that XD
- Archeologists probably will have the tools, but still... (and also: these media can only hold data for .... few 10s of years, so for it to live 2000 .... somebody would have to actively copy it onto a newer storage-device every few years .... - considering YT will still exist (unlikely) they would probably do it, but in reality...............................)
@Martin Verrisin
Well, I most certainly can. It is not difficult at all to obtain a floppy disc drive that that would connect to my computer via usb. These devices are still being manufactured and sold today. While the average citizen may lack these tools they are still very accessible to anyone who would simply purchase them. In regards to accessing old hard drives... well its really not all that hard. I'll spare you the explanation but if you're interested you need only to google it.
Considering how quickly we are able to improve and expand our technical capacities I see our ability to store and archive data only improving.
Also that ten year figure you produced is bolognese sauce m8. Flash memory doesn't degrade within ten years due to its age but rather the number of write cycles meaning the more often data is written and deleted the more the capacity and ability of said flash drive will degrade (and normal use takes about 10 years for such degradation to occur). Of course with enough time it will degrade, but not as significantly over the span of 10 years with minimal use and fair storage conditions.
"Hello and welcome to the Slingshot Channel! Today we have a guest. Let me show you his features!"
That was what I was expecting him to say. XD
14:11 omg that sound actually gives me goosebumps 😱
This is Dr John Reid...let me show you his features!!
;)
Legand
😂😂😂😂
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHA" - Joerg.
Hahahaa.... 2 years later, still funny af....
why joerg is the best youtuber:
he a beast of a german with an evil laugh
he regularly bring out quality content
no clickbait
he reads reacts and does something with his comments
he makes huge weapons of destruction.
he makes silly and cool videos but also longer and more interresting ones.
(add to the list if you want)
make = makes
twice the same stupid mistake :(
you can edit a comment m8 ;)
He is a creative badass that made a arrow launcher out of a COKE BOTTLE
my whole life until know I didnt know my dad and ofc my dad's mom were full German. 0_o
He's shows us it's features.
Got damn Joerg was not messing around with that draw length on that double rubber slingshot 😂 The earths rotation slowed .5% every time he drew that thing due to the incredible amount of Newtons per Kilogram of force it generated on earths gravity 🌎
As an archaeologist, I think this is some fantastic experimental archaeology! Way to go, Joerg!
If a man approaches you with a homemade wooden contraption and says "LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES" run. Run far away.
Shipmaster_Voro there's no way to escape.
No, instead of running, let him show you it’s features.
... and bring him a beer.
The most dangerous part is when he laughs."HAHAHAHAHAHA"
Hahaha Right
"Sorry for that" - truly ashamed of the quality of German sticks.
Ha
lmao, not up to german standards
Over engineered German stick.
Probably not a German oak then :D
...or it’s the residual guilt from WWII
Scare tactic
Romans: *shwee shwee shwee shwee*
German: *Let me show you its features*
I loved the Dr giggling like a schoolboy when you cracked the coconut with a close-up shot. That's some unadulterated child-like glee.
All i said in my head the entire time was
''SHOW ME IT'S FEATURES!''
Finally, someone gets me...
I did to after you said that,made the video crazy funny,when he introduced the Professor . My sides hurt now,i blame you !
Jon P lol same
That's what I say to my GF when I unzip my pants ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Masashiro Knight of Cookieland haha hahaha
"Ballistic Gelatin"
I bet Joerg eats that stuff for breakfast.
m4iler that coconuts and watermelons 🍉
Saurcrout and snitzel.
there is an episode where he actually does eat it. he says its bland, but edible, and then continues lmao
@@brookshadlin117 Ahh the spelling. It hurts.
Sauerkraut und Schnitzel!
@@mrfushiante
Wonder how it becomes if you add some sugar or other seasonings to it while cooking it up.
Rediscovering real history! I love it! It's amazing what people can postulate based on the smallest pieces of physical evidence. This is so important!
The Roman's employed a group of Balearic Mercenaries (Balearic Islands off the Coast of Southern Spain) These Mercenaries were known as the Best Slingmen of the ancient world and were highly revered as a type of special forces for the Roman's. They became so popular and deadly they were incorporated throughout the Roman Empire. Many Roman Legions had a compliment of these slingshot warriors. There is still history of this in the Balearic Islands today. Love your channel.
This is probably one of, if not the, best video Joerg has ever posted. Experimental archeology at its most entertaining.
Yeah it was awesome.
True, loved this video
Indeed!
agreed, it was entertaining, history class and nice practical science. I liked it !
Quite
I'm surprised those airplanes dare to fly over his house when he's sending ball bearings to the moon.
Anciant Roman ledball maker: Dude i only have one drill how should i make different hole sizes Oo
Please make more of these where you help historians out! It's really great!
i literally cried "holy shit" when they shot a whistler at the camera.
same here, that shit is terrifying. When I first started watching I was like "How bad could it be?". Now I know
I thought to myself if I was the enemy, if I heard that I would be clueless and trying to figure that noise. But by then getting hit i would really be clueless and injured
I doubt the Romans would have used ineferior ammo just to scare the enemies when they could have just had their soldiers Yell "LET ME SHOW IT'S FEATURES" and laugh merrily in unision
I just imagine a hundred jorgs doing that and it was hilarious and terrifying
😂 I’m dying
Now we know why the Romans used Germanic auxiliary forces so frequently. Imagine the Battle of the Catalaunian Plains with Germanic troops on both sides. Think of all the features that were shown that day.
F.C. Laukhard hahaha
@Hewing Enterprise that's what happened to all the hyenas 🤣
Joerg: "That enough penetration for you?"
Receiving end: "Yes dear."
Love your channel. When I was a kid we went up to a family farm in the country and used to throw crab apples with sticks which were super fun and we could throw them a long way. The difference with the sticks we used was that they were flexible and generated at a significant whip effect at apogee generating much more velocity than a stiff dowel would. Try it if you like and see if that's right
Gotta say - what beautiful surroundings.
The German need for clean ,simple, symmetric garden- well kept.
I just read about this in national geographic. It said cast were given to an "experienced slinger" and I was like wait a minute.. didn't Jörg do a video on this?!
LOL
Wheres the link? 🤔
@@michagrill9432 i have posted the link for you
I remember subscribing to this channel when there was only 200k subs. glad to see that this channel has grown so much!
Hello ! Well, these tests are really interesting ! But I'm afraid you missed the other half...
Considering that a slingshot is a ranged weapon, seeing the damages dones from a distance would have been nice. ;)
I'm pretty sure the projectile looses a lot of speed and especially penetration power. Where you break a skull, you would in reality have a cranial trauma (still efficient :D )
Anyway, great results ! Good luck to aim for the coconut at 20m ^^',
X component would be fairly the same, y component is the ones that changes over the distance.. been a long time, but what I recall is that drag on the projectile would slow it down depending on shape
I am a master slinger ( Shepard sling, not slingshot)
And I can tell you after years of practice.
I can kill anything native and living in North America with a Shephard sling using a whistle at 400 yards.
However, even though a whistler is very fun. It also makes it harder by alarming my prey.
Lol. They are quite fun. They sound like artery.
I haven't noticed much of a difference between my whistles and my others lead bullets.
I can only make whistles out of lead or zinc.
I prefer lead and zinc bullets. I have 8 difference molds. ranging from ( in lead) once ounce to one pound. I can use zinc in them as well but the weight it about 1/3.
Here are some examples off the top of my head. All at 400 yards hitting 1/2 real plywood, not partical board.
1 ounce lead, very rarely hit and you can see the hit on the wood.
same size zinc, yeah doesn't hit.
3 ounce lead hit ratio rare. but it goes through most the time. If not it stuck in wood.
Same size zinc. hits less then 1 oz lead but same damage as the 1 oz.
1 pound lead. Have not been able to get it to go that far.
Same size zinc. About as hard to hit as the ounce lead. But hits like the 3 ounce.
At 200 yard same type of plywood.
The 1 pound lead goes right through the plywood.
I've put bullets through many vehicals body parts by accident at about 30 feet.
#1 lesson any new slinger should know.
Always park at least a mile away. Because anyplace 360 with in 1 mile is danger zone.
All where behind me.
here are some of my costly vehicle repairs
mirrors
windshield
fenders
hood
door
Imagine you’re a Scottish tribesman living on a hill, minding your own business and you hear literally THOUSANDS of these invisibly raining down on your head 14:14
The Romans were vicious
One doesn't capture a country by being rather nice.
They failed to pacify Scotland, hence building 2 walls at great expense.
Or one massive german Legionare screaming
"Me et ostendam vobis est scriptor lineamentum"
Watchmen, what of the night?... Wait... night, what of the watchmen?!
@@harleydoge310 I'm guessing that means let me show you its features
Pretty sure if you're a English or Scottish and you have a PhD you're required by law to wear a sweater and a collared shirt.
You're actually sort of right.
That is correct the punishment for not complying with these laws is death
A BEIGE shirt? (geddit?)
Douger Rohmer A lindybeige reference?
Goddit!
One of my all time favorite channels. 🤘🏻🇺🇸🤘🏻. Just imagine thousands coming at you at once. Now remember the sound will be louder and a higher pitch on the receiving end because of the Doppler effect. Thousands would have been so loud and terrifying. The holes are def for the whistle.
It's for the terrifying whistle effect. The bigger diameter hole created a deeper less chirpy high pitched sound that wasnt as loud and terrifying.
I don't know who funds Dr. Reid or what facilities he has available, but scraping samples from inside the holes and running them through a gas chromatograph might reveal traces of wood-- or poison!
I love it when you do actual science and have fun at the same time.
Even after 1800 years?
@@FrankBudzwait Yes. Viable samples have been retrieved from stranger places.
When I was in Mongolia working for Rio Tinto on their Oyu Tolgoi gold mine, in Ulaanbaataar, they had in the antique stores arrowheads from ancient times. Some had cuts in them that supposedly allowed them to whistle in different frequencies and were signals during battle to other archers. 1162-1227 The camera needs to be near the target to record it flying by.
In Hungary there is a yearly event dedicated to foot and horse archery. I visited it a few years ago, and had the fortune of being near a few archers who've been shooting whistling arrows that have been based on archiological findings. I can only imagine the terror a solider would feel from these. Especially after the associate the sound with the raining arrows. That would be some PTSD shit.
Im pretty sure it would be battle initiation arrow.
Didn't Robin Hood yous whistling arrows to call his men. That's where he got the idea.
I genuinely flinched from the whistle as they were shot towards the camera.
Even though I was waiting for it, the type of sound took me off guard. It's not like anything I've heard, and we are in the 21 century. Imagine hearing that back when no body had even heard a gunshot before. It would have been genuinely terrifying, especially at the volume and frequency with which they must have been shot at.
This was a great vid Jorge. Learned some cool things. To be on the incoming side of the whistling bullets would be nuts. Just that sound wizzing by.
meanwhile, Joerg's nighbors are complaining about pebbles and ball bearings hitting their roof.
and a dead dog...
and a dead dog...
and a dead dog...
and a dead dog...
and a dead dog...
I was hunting in Wyoming many years back and some hunters decided to target practice in my direction. I'll tell you hearing bullets whizzing past you and no place to hide was scary. You won't forget that sound.
Thats when you fire back and scream your local police departments name.
Lol
I'm a combat veteran, you're correct it's a very shit your pants moment when you hear the first bullet hit near you in a loud crack and watch the wall just 2 feet to the right of you suddenly have an explosion of dust and small rocks from said bullet impacting it.
@@Aliyah_666 Man, don't wan to expierence that.
I was just reading an article on slinger bullets by this guy. I’m glad more googling brought me back to this guy.
in 1969 I was taught a different style of using these slings, a special way of changing spin direction before release to generate much higher projectile speeds, in fact even without holes rocks screamed or whistled noticeably. I loved that you used a coconut at they were my frequent targets as a boy in Tobago :)
my sling teacher was an Israel mercenary so this may be a secret martial art technique.
Jeorg, I am Joel Fuhr.
I have watched perhaps 15 of your videos.
Thank you brother.
I saw that CZcams is screwing with you guys.
What can I do?
Adjusting the algorithm is affecting people's livelihood.
I'm on your side brother.
Support the CZcamsrs Union. Google and CZcams are straight up ruining peoples livelyhoods violating their workers rights with their vague and ridiculous rules. Watch his video on it
Get em joel
I was wondering what the purpose of the whistle was... until I saw the POV of the receiving end.
Now imagine a slow bombardment of those all night as you try to man defenses while being trapped between 2 Roman forces with the occasional ballista stone able to bust through walls being launched your dirrection.
@@dynamicworlds1 "legion shock" might not have been a word back then, but I would suppose, most of the inhabitants would be thoroughly legion-shocked within 2-3 days. That´s a situation the human mind can´t cope with.
I get the feeling a full roman legion was something you only ever picked a fight with if you had never seen them at work. I guess they were terrifying. The more I read, the better I understand, that sometimes merely dispatching a legion was enough to quell an uprising. Every aspect of the roman legion 1BC-2AD was maximising target effect as well as psychological drama, and they had really gotten it down to the details.
I once saw a reenactment group perform the famous maneuver of changing (rotating out) the front line during an engagement, in the thick of melee. One yell, 2 seconds, no gap, and you got a fresh guy to fight. Terrifying. Just watching this, imagining you would have to fight them, made you want to go home, cry some and change underwear.
I recently saw a video of Todd´s workshop (or was it lindybeige?) on slingshots, where he mused, and I found that very plausible, that, although devastating, slingshot volleys were lacking psychological effect in breaking up formations, because you couldn´t see them coming, unlike a cloud of arrows descending on you, that gave you just enough time to get all the terror-hormones flowing.
Well. we might just have seen the solution to this problem. Fix some wool threads into some of the holes as visible tracers, and you have the equivalent of a big, red, flashing "GAME OVER!"-sign across the battlefield.
@@dynamicworlds1 Now imagine _surviving_ that battle, and dropping to the ground in panic every time you hear a bird, for probably the rest of your life.
Could also have been used like auditory signal flare perhaps? I know the Roman Legions had signal horns and the like, but firing one over a battlefield would be a way of boosting the effective range of a signal as the source of the noise would be the moving bullet.
A Roman General/Decurion/Centurion/etc needs his forces to move on the right target...so he has his best slinger fire off a whistler towards the right flank...the officers in the ranks hear it and direct their forces by following the sound of the whistle as it passes...basically, using the Doppler effect to find their target. The slingers attached to command fire off several in rapid order, so that the message gets reinforced.
...plus, they might hit the target and induce panic as side benefits.
Just another hypothesis...though one would think that such an innovation in command/logistics would've been written about...especially by the Romans themselves. Tacitus for instance, was biiiiig on Roman military history and would go in depth on the accounts of the some of the battles when he could...
Crazy to think that I can look out my window and see the old battle site with the sun rising behind it. Such an iconic spot here in Dumfrieshire.
The Slinger was a very highly skilled individual, they were trained from a very early age and taught by highly skilled slingers, like David who killed Goliath. That kind of sling takes a highly skilled individual to begin with, or you would have used the string sling yourself to do the first test. I myself know how to use a , however it may have been a fustibal that David used, instead of the leather strip pouch that is spun around and then released. But, great video, I was certainly impressed by the sound that little fella made coming at the camera, Whew!!!
I'd love to hear 100 x fired all at once.
Imagine an ornager firing a bucket full of drilled shots at the enemy :-O
He used a stick with just one nail, but it's entirely reasonable to attach several branches to the end, as long as all the nail ends point the same "up" angle, allowing a person to fire a dozen bullets with a single throw. After all, the stick is the heavy part of the launch device, not the ammo. With a dozen guys throwing a dozen on each throw, you'd have 144 bullets in air at once. Task another guy to stick the bullets on the end, and you have a much better reload time. They could also take turns for longer engagements. That's one gross bullets in air for just two dozen guys. It boggles my mind that we waited until modern firearms before taking projectiles as seriously as we do.
HOLY SHIT YES SOMEONE NEEDS TO RECORD THIS HAPPENING.
Same
Joerg, you should take a very large lead ball and drill multiple holes into it, and shoot it with a very powerful slingshot and see just how loud you can make it. :p
you know a bowling ball has a few holes in it ;)
If it were slightly irregular in shape to encourage tumbling you could activate differently tuned whistles all over the bullet as it tumbled. Would sound like an angry robin.
So like a music box within a ball projectile. I could punch the right sized holes in the right spot to emulate flight of the Valkyries
+Barnaclebeard okay, put some holes that correspond with one side so that it would travel in one specific shape
+ledraps22 i'd buy 50 of those if that were actualy possible xd
I realize this is a very old video Joerg, but the balls could have been cast as one step, but the holes made by using a hot iron rod (nail) rather than a drill. Early period drilling was a very slow process and the compound spiral set up we use wasn’t the usual, If I were to want whistle holes in my lead shot, I’d have a bunch of nails heating in fire pit coals pull one out with tongs and press them into the lead to melt the hole. If done that way, all the hole should be about the same size. If the setup were in an armory region of the encampment, it wouldn’t be unusual to expect the entire workforce using parts of the same iron rod, making the hole diameter the same size....
Just a thought, great fun episode, and I don’t doubt you and the rest of your fans thought of this already.... :)
Love the channel,
Matt
That makes a lot of sense.
P
Ok so i literally just read the national geographic news article on this exact subject! I thought i would try and find a video showing these honed sling ammunition that make the "banshee wail" and oh my god! Of course it's you! You crazy bastard i love you, i just found your channel a week ago! 😂😂 i have to say at first i wasn't sure about you, but if you're good enough for the national geographic scientists, im sure you are one of the best now like i originally thought! Thanks for all the knowledge
At least the bloke walking in the field past those trees can hear it coming before it hits him on his head haha, I love your videos keep up your great work 🏴
I could listen Jorge talk all day. His grasp of english and american slang is spot on. I assume he's a educated man. Sure would hate to tangle with him though!!
He would make a great father but an awsome grandfather
He would be the perfect Bond villain !
+Infidel7153
That's hilarious!
Correction: "...he's an educated man."
+NeverlostatBSgaming thanks Neverlost. I get it the next word starts with vowel. It just doesn't sound right.
I love the moments where Joerg and Dr. Reid are talking and then Joerg says something and turns to the camera and starts laughing and Dr. Reid then does the same but in a completely opposite laugh to Joerg but almost just as satisfying. It's a nice juxtaposition. I wonder if they rehearsed it.
i absolutely love that they went to the master for help with this
Joerg, you are the best. Even years after I discover your channel your content continues to hold value and is entertaining. Thank you for what you do.
That oncoming shot where you shot towards the camera actually was pretty startling. I can easily see how it would be a psychological terror device.
For now, this video is the most interesting of your channel!
I don't know about anyone else but did anyone else just subscribe not for the videos but just for the love of Joerg's personality and how loveable he is
Pürpking >> Absolutely!
At least that was the reason for me because i'm not a fan of guns or slingshots.
Yup definetly because of Joerg. Great guy would like to meet him one day! :)
Yes, I did so, several years ago! Lol!
What if the holes are all the same size because the way they made the holes , like they mass produced them
it would certainly be really interesting to see how a Roman mass production area/facility would look like for these things. :)
a regular mold with a stud in it
yeah but different smithes wouldve had slightly different molds. its unlikely all the round were made in the same workshop
Actually the slinger would carry their own molds and melting pots. So having a single manufacture making the field molds, would make cookie cutter molds. Not to mention. Anyone building the molds, would be given the spects wanted. So again theu would still all be similar.
it would also save a small amount of material so more could be made
Hey Joerg,
I like the experimental archeology keep up the informatieve work.
That video is absolutely amazing and very interesting to say the least. It gives me other ideas that I could be pursuing, perhaps as well I really like your videos. Wild Man Monk
the shot at the camera would be terrifying
like the katuysha a little
Have you heard from your neighbors in some time?
Christian Simon They are probably too scared to go close to him.
Maybe he went "Come with me, I want to show you something je je je je"....they ran away.
They moved out of the neighborhood lol
༗,¸¸,༗ I don’t think he’s allowed to live in the neighborhood.
I was checking out some of your older material and discovered this video. It's great! I love the stick launcher-what a simple yet devastating weapon! So, the reason I am sending this long comment is that I hunt artifacts from pre European settler era in Northern Indiana. I have found arrowheads, axe heads, celts and other tools and weapons. One discovery I made was a total mystery. Until now! I believe this video has helped me identify about 30 strange stones I found all together. They're shaped like an American football and they all have a hole in the center of one side. I thought they were beads, at first, but the hole doesn't go all the way through. After seeing the examples you showed, they perfectly matched! So, I will make up a "throwing stick" and see what happens when I launch one! What an ingenious, yet simple, device! The multiplication of power and velocity by addition of a stick... it's incredible. I will inform you of my results good sir.
Oh yes, BTW, the examples that you show at the 5:50 mark are exactly like the ones I have discovered.
14:10 that is scary. Add to the sound the fact that the small bullets penetrate cloth and body, you don't want to be at the receiving end. To me it looks like the big and small bullets were used because the complementary effect. One delivers blunt trauma, the other can penetrate easier. It makes it difficult to defend from both. The sound is a nice bonus, one bullet is scary. Hundreds flying past you, it's probably enough to send everyone running or in hiding, allowing other of your troops to get close.
I say the diameter is simply due to ease of production and the roman habit of standardisation...
i don't mind wakeing up at 4:00 am to watch one of your video's. love you're content
XD same its 3 am for me
East coast?
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+It's Latte It was 10 am for Joerg
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Joerg, this content was extremely educational and entertaining to me. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Let's assume that the holes were for producing that wicked whistling sound in order to terrorize the enemy and cause them to panic. The explanation for the hole size being the same may be as simple as all the bullets in that battle having been manufactured in the same workshop using the same tool. I suggest comparing them with similar bullets from battlefields in other parts of the Roman empire to see whether they were universally the same size holes or not.
Alternatively, if they were the same size in order to fit on the peg of a firing device, why not some sort of mechanical device that could fire them faster and more accurately than a human with a stick?
I would really enjoy more of these scientific videos! Still has all the awesome and fun characteristics of the slingshot channel, AND you learn interesting things along the way!
It would be cool to recreate ancient weaponry with his own "rubberised" enhanced versions.
I like the staff sling idea.
Also the power and distance you get plus accuracy.
JoergSprave needs to be a character in a FPS video game with all the weapons he makes as well as his signature voice line and laugh lol
Agreed, Fallout 4 JoergSprave mod needed.
The reaction of joerg when the guy mentioned the stukka's 😂😂😂
+FuckYouGoogle no i am totaly fine with it, because it showed no Nation alone could fight Germany.
***** We are trying to fix this :D
Turning them on and off didn´t helped this time.
It is not Bothering me at All, this is our history, what really bothers me is that are still guys in this world who think time stood still for 80 years. Or those who try to make me feel bad for things i had literally no control of, its in the fuckin past. im a proud german, i really like my country and i like to hang out with all kind of "races" and "nations". I don't care about your colour as logn as you treat me and others nice you will get the same treatment. and this is how the world should work, you give love you recieve love.
I was about to make that comment lol. "we don't talk about that here" face
I'm imagining a longer pole & flexible with a whipping action for even more power over greater distance
Im not sure how well a thin enough wooden pole to flex would hold up after constant use and the general choas of war. But attaching maybe a leather strip with a spot to hold the projectile like a traditional sling to the end would be a possibility
upto it terminal velocity only ... as for durability ... bendy branches abounded in those days ... so replacement sticks were literally growing on trees
@@0623kaboom You could also soak them in oil or wet them down to keep them limber.
for what ? i still can it here wizzel , in Earth Orbit , 2021 .... 😁😎
Amazing, educational, extremely interesting and one of the Best 👌. Two 👍👍
I used to use the bullet style fishing weights with holes to thread them on the line in my slingshot. They would buzz and due to the spin you could curve them when shot. They packed a huge punch.
Those projectiles dropped harder then the Wii U when the Xbox one and PS4 came out.
That's proper funny
wow you bully nintendo :(
+Ben Reeve I stopped playing Nintendo consoles when I couldn't find any games to play.
Typciall 20XX generation. U dam kids ain't know the good old stuff.
Get a Gamecube and a Wii, there are tons of great multiplayer games for having friends over.
But oh wait, what's that you say? You don't have friends and you think multiplayer means Call of Duty with Internet Connection? Gid gud son.
+Mephisto28890 Just so you know I own three wii consoles two regular and one Wii mini as well as my game boy collection. It's the new Nintendo consoles I don't like cuz they're too gimmicky. By the way cod is for a bunch of pussy six year olds that have never shot a gun before and think they are part of the SAS.
The amplitude is affected by the holes opening size and the speed.
The pitch is affected by the hole depth.
Interesting topic.
That sounds so good. It would make me want to keep undercover. Possibly this was the effe t it had on the enemy making it harder to see enemy troop movement. Seeing that the poor guys on the hill had the height and sight advantage to see into the Roman camps. It was a clever tactic to throw them into disarray
bro. that shot towards the camera was terrifying! awesome video
holy crap when they had the camera set up and shot by it. made me jump with my head phones in.....lol lol
me too! lol
The whistling would sure have worked on me.
I had the volume cranked so I could hear it chirp, and when he did that, both me and my cat jumped!
i got scared just by that scene.. insane...
Headphone user also. My exact response was "Jesus christ!!" as I nearly jumped out of my seat.
I couldn't imagine hundreds of those shots coming at me.
Same here.
wow that's insane when you shot at the camera! death chirp!
make a hand crancked "paddle"wheel with the sticks loaded with the projectiles.
how easily he puts into a sling staff with but ONE AND is astounding, this man is a beast, amazing!
I have been watching your channel for a very long time now. I am a true fan in the US and can continually watch your videos back to back. Loved this video with the knowledgeable guest! Keep up the good work!
Or... perhaps they simply used the same tool to make all the holes.
Interesting theory, you could be on to something :)
Just because dewalt wasn't around, does not mean drills werent
If the bullets were cast before the battle, instead of in an arsenal in Rome, they might all be cut with the same drill or other instrument. I've seen some references to this being more common (although not necessarily in Rome) and to a common Roman method being to make molds in sand on a beach or something (although not necessarily in the field).
As far as throwing sticks, some Roman general-type dude said that they should train all soldiers in the sling, so while this might not have been totally followed, the idea that they'd need standardized sticks isn't obvious. At least some legions might have been influenced by that guy and mostly know how to use slings. Also, if they had standardized sticks, then either the sticks or the equipment for making the sticks would probably be durable enough for somebody to have found one. And even if not, there would probably have been enough work that went into the process of making a standardized stick that somebody would have written about it.
There was a follow-up article about this in the Daily Mail. They didn't mention the throwing sticks. I'm guessing somebody discounted it since then.
@uncletigger Interesting point, but my understanding of the Romans and one ot the major contributary factors in their success, was uniformity....all their kit was standardised, their drill (I mean military drill), their organisation, their camps, their weapons their armour etc so maybe they had standard 'lead slugs' too. I get that you hold that modern accurate machinery is only known/standardised widely in the last 200 years, one of the problems with the video is that they say that all the 'slugs' have a 4mm hole, to what accuracy? Big difference between 'about' 4mm and 4mm plus or minus ten thou. I imagine the debate could be easily settled if 'holed slugs' were recovered at diverse locations; if the Romans were using them at this site, they had to be using them elsewhere........UNLESS the slugs were fired by mercenary Celtic tribes, who were well known to use slings?
I have never before heard mention of the Romans firing slings or lead balls, but no historian me.
Also, while I love Georg, his tests were at virtual point blank range; if you got a maddened, hairy assed Scot running at you with a large pointy weapon and all you have is a stick with a lump of lead on the end, your shot better be perfect of you will soon be dead....just can't see it as any kind of valid tactic. (David and Goliath aside), slings are ranged weapons
Would love for someone better informed to shed light on this.
@uncletigger Aargh! I just lost a huge reply when my cat jumped on the keyboard.
That may be a good thing, I shall try to be more concise....'unc..' you are obviously better informed than I, (blame Hollywood, they never showed massed ranks of slingers.....) and it makes perfect sense to have slingers on the flanks or indeed behind a main assault force.
I wonder just how much lead was being toted around? 20 rounds per expert slinger? It must have been the 'depleted uranium' of it's day...likely they had a bag of milled stones for general harassment and 10 serious slugs...why ten? just the roman fixation on decimals; it's as valid a claim as Dr Ross's where they excavated a small area and extrapolated the number of slugs from that small sample (I think). By that rationale, if they found a bag of gold coins, might they conclude that the entire hill was covered in gold?
I simply don't know, I admit my ignorance but I don't suspend a rational thought process....again I ask the simple question; what of the slugs from other battle sites?
I have my own 'half-assed' theory; that the 'whistling slugs' were indeed intentional and that lead slugs in general were to be feared BUT they just couldn't be sustained in huge numbers over the course of a protracted engagement so they used whistling slugs and milled stones in combination (the stones would have been bad, but not as bad as lead slugs)....if they fired 10 stones for every slug, some whistled and some didn't...... it would be just effing awful to be on the receiving end, you probably couldn't see them coming, but if you heard that whistle, you would def get your head down!
That seems more plausible and practical to me, as for the standard 4mm holes, might they just have found a cache or a foundry being used by the Scots? If it was a cachet, stands to reason that all the holes were the same size...AGAIN, what of other sites, what size holes were found?
That's about it (glad you got the abridged version !), thank you for the reply but I just can't sign off without sharing this other snippet that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUESTIONS RAISED,
I love it anyway....
here 'tiz',
an archaeologist and team were excavating below a roman villa, there was a complex under-floor heating system and a sewerage system too. When they dug up the pipes from the drainage system they found that they were all oval (ovoid?) in shape rather than round and concluded that they had deformed under gravity when they were being manufactured, a flaw in the production process...........then someone pointed out that they were all 'universally flawed' and completely uniform, furthermore, they were all laid narrow side down and while the site had generally dry and benign weather, there were also periods of heavy rain.
Soo, while the oval shape had the same volume/capacity as a circular pipe, in the generally dry times, the narrow end of an oval is more efficient and less prone to silt building up in the pipes......
it is a 'bug-bear' of mine that some people equate modern technology with intelligence and therefore assume that ancient civilisations were dense and unenlightened, I rather think that the reverse is true, a sharp and practical intelligence helped keep them alive while modern technology seems to aid the weak and foster a mass numbing of intellect....
I really AM finished now,
regards and respect,
Con
Brilliant guy helping the doc sort out some history 👏 👍
Very thought provoking and cool video! Thanks! Balls with the hole were smaller for a reason, and you showed differences in penetration - but I wonder if a larger ball with a hole still makes noise. Also, the larger balls were the shape of a sling pouch - but clearly the smaller one wasn't, which maybe lends credence to the sling stick theory. Again, very cool.
The "Asterix" part killed me....
Really interesting video, I definitely think the whistling balls should become regular ammunition for your videos, they sound awesome. I just can't help wondering if the balls would have the same penetrative capability if the test was performed at a realistic range, I'm assuming there was a reasonable distance between the two camps. Obviously accuracy becomes an issue at such distance and you don't want to be standing there all day trying to get a hit but I would imagine the projectile loses quite a bit of energy during the flight.
Heavy lead bullets don't lose much speed, thanks to inertia.
The village was on top of a hill, potentially walled. Roman encampment would have been a safe distance away.
Let's be generous and say that the Romans were engaging at a distance of 30 meters, uphill. Inertia plays a lesser role than gravity at that point. Daniel's point stands.
A shot 15 cm away doesn't accurately reflect the stopping power of a slinger given the circumstances
Gravity does not slow down the bullets much. It just adds a downwards vector. Air resistance does, but dense oval objects are not affected much by that. Also I used a weak enough bandset that only shot the bullet at 35 m/s, whereas slingers launched them at 45 m/s. Last not least fatal head shots from slings are well documented in literature.
does that mean you will continue using whistle ammo? i like that idea too.
+JoergSprave interesting. the more you know I guess. Still enjoyed the video. keep up the good work and keep showing me it's features.