CLAN SIEGE UPDATE WILL BREAK RAID.... UNLESS...
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- RAID Shadow Legends | Clan Siege Update
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I dont even talk to my clan, and they expect us to work together lmao
The only thing more impactful than powercreep is the time demand creep. Raising resource and pts req to complete fusions, kinda makes sense with the added rewards. The added time for many things is not being considered. Without autokeys on demonlord, they'd already would have hit an exodus
I 100% agree with you. I'm a FTP and I struggle to keep up with everything there is to do in the game. For example, I would like to play live arena and to put more effort in Sintranos, but I barely have the time to do the main things. They have to find a way to reduce the time spent on some of their content. Some quick ideas:
- Modify Hydra Boss. They could take an example from AFK arena, where you didn't have to run the boss fight every time. Once you reach a certain damage you can auto-deal that damage every time and go manual only if you think you can do better.
- reduce arena and 3vs3 battles per day, doubling the rewards
-infinite auto-battle for campaign
-istant battle for everything that has a key after the first time you complete the content
-The dungeon diver should be based on all dungeons, that way one can actually progress in the game while collecting points for the event.
Concerning the new event, it seems great and interesting, they are actualy adding some thing new to the game. However, for clan with many casual players is going to be a problem.
Agreed. As F2P too, some days it is all I can do to finish the quests. I have to schedule properly to do fusions. I don't need more stuff.
There troubles with English adaptation for "dungeon dives" because it suppose to be called "artifact dive/get artifacts". (I also want a points for sand devil.)
I'm too tired for comments. I read you're a FTP and I was trying to figure out what Myers-Briggs type that was!
no one cares what the leeches have to say. support the game then you can have a seat at the adult table. until then, back to the kid table lad.
This might be the best comment I've ever read about Raid. Excellent ideas, seriously
My clan is completely not excited about this. We are chill enough that I don't think it will destroy the clan with in fighting, but I could see some players saying "I don't have the time for this" and moving on to a clan that will skip it.
Mine isnt enthusiastic either. Core group has dwindled, I expect the most of us gone by the year if they keep this pattern of QoL improvements trickled down a few times a year.
no one in my clan wants to talk about it this is clearly for ptw players out clan just simply will not do this.
I'm clan leader because the last guy didn't have time. With this event I don't know if I can find anyone motivated enough to organize. We aren't a crap group. We are level 14, have just started killing CB UNM on a regular basis and we've recently opened brutal for hydra, although I'm the only one to use a key on it. I've been a leader in other Plarium games (Stormfall and Sparta), but am only a nominal member after a decade of play because of time. You can be attacked at any time and you can spend hours pressing buttons on tasks each day without doing anything fun. They are going to screw this game up too by making it too crowded to enjoy things you like until you spend an hour on duties you don't like.
Yeah considering there's only like 6 of us in my clan and I'm the highest DMG dealer at lvl 65, ain't nothing special gonna happen here lol
Our clanleader said much the same, we're not a PvP clan so he said: no CvC Siege etc. since we're a small clan I think it would be massively pointless anyway.
I love Ash, but man, how does the fact that there is ZERO intra-clan communication inside the game seem to escape every CC? The entire communication within this game is a single IRC chat frame that wipes every 24 hours. W T F? I know almost all CC's are way above this, but most of the game isn't boys. Should be banging on Plarium about this one honestly.
At least 90% of players are in the lowest 2 tiers of rewards. We all know their money comes from the whales, but when the masses start leaving because the rewards don't match the time investment the whales will leave as well. Nobody who 1 keys UNM needs 5* epic gear. And don't get me started on the 3 primal fragments. Maybe you can get 1 extra rare champ per year with those amazing rewards.
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As a not whale, I'm fairly happy with what I get from careful playing. After two years, I can now do every fusion unless I don't have time to put in. And I got an amazing roster of good champions. 2x CB is great. Wixwell was a game changer for my clan: we suddenly did no longer have to care about downing CB every day.
I sponsored plarium once, to the tune of 40€ to get Xena, because I finished a titan event and got Tormin as well.
All in all, considering all the hours of real play I've spent over two years (I mean each time you devise a new team and beat new stuff), compared to other games I've played over the years, Raid is the most generous free game I've played.
I understand that some people are fickle and will leave easily (I've seen that on games like Destiny, where top players finish a new extension in two weeks and then clamor for new content), but a lot of "average" players, I think, are decently happy with raid's rythmn.
If anything, the only thing I have against raid is that it's still a lottery game: it's easy to splurge a bit of money to get "just a bit more" and then it can become hard to stop spending...
I see Ash points, but again 10+ years for a mobile game is a heck of a long term plan!!!
A cool thing about quick battles is that it would let people spend their resources faster, getting them ready to spend more money, more often.
I bet Plarium's analytics department have a bunch of straight C-students who have confused correlation with causation, so they think "more time in game leads to more spending in game" when the causality in actuality is "people who LIKE the game spend more time in it AND they spend more money there".
Currently the game feels more like work than fun, making us ask ourselves "do I really want to pay a bunch of macrotransactions just to feel MORE stress?"
yeah I feel Im using to much time too
agree with you but more time in the game does also equal more spending. That is just an easy statistic because the people who will are willing to spend more time in the game will also be more likely to enjoy the game and more likely to spend. Additionally, people who enjoy the game and do not have the time will spend to alleviate the time pressures. I agree with you though. The people who love the game and spend on energy and other things will end up spending more if they could drain their resources faster. Similar concept as shards. The more events you put out there the more likely people will spend on shards to be able to participate in the next event.
In influx of say 100 new champs across all 5 rarity’s along with say 10 new artifacts sets and then say 4 new dungeon bosses to obtain those new gear sets would definitely increase player spending without a shadow of a doubt…
How hard is it really to create a new boss and mechanics along with some player designs and gear sets… gear sets could be as basic as 4 piece 50% chance to land small -30% dec def or whatever but spice up the game abit give us a bunch of new rare and epic champs like why not gives players more chance of getting kool new champs 👌🏼
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All 30 members having to take part or else you get a disadvantage is going to be the issue! Make it 20 minimum to sign up and leave it at that give people the chance to take a damn holiday without working it around raid or else you will get kicked from your clan ... Makes no sense what so ever , clans have new people come and go all the time .
It will be impossible for leaders to keep track of who can do what . .
Just needs a few tweaks and it can be a great game mode .
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I pretty much become nonexistent in this game.i don't have a clan & still haven't cleared the Arbiter mission mode or beat hydra.Curse City is truly the bane of my account,Plarium made sure to block the usually champions you need to beat the bosses,while lowering the pull ratio in the summoning pool.but,to the Raid community,i hope all of you,keep living your best life 😅
half of our clan is not even using ingame chat, and even less are using discord. this will be nice to look at and pobably ignored in the mid term future
Clans that opt to skip this entirely could become very popular among ftp/casual players. Probably the number one thing I would look for if ever looking for a new clan. "We don't care about Siege." Excellent.
My clan has been dead silent. I feel that no one wants to be the one to stand up and voice an opinion for fear that others will disagree.
I am 2nd in command, (and I an not even sure how I got that except that I have been here a long time and I do help new clan members a bit with strats and ideas) and I fear that some will want to do this and others won't (I am in the NOT group) and it will cause drama.
I don't want there to be MORE to do in the game, especially since I am an officer and there WILL BE EXPECTATIONS that don't just affect me.
I started playing this game for some "solo" game play on my phone and it's turned into a major time sink.
The only part of this game that I don't like is the PvP aspect, and I wouldn't do ANY PvP except for the fact they gate the Great Hall behind it, as well as a descent Drexthar champion.
I agree 100% all dungeons need to count towards dungeon divers! Anything with a key should be auto complete AND should only cost you the key! (Iron Twins) we still need a higher energy cap considering all the dungeons that have been added. My clan is mostly dead anyway so I figured when this was announced I wouldn't be involved and sadly from what I've seen I'm happy to stay on the sidelines. Tho I would have considered trying to find a new clan ... As much as I believe this could be an amazing game mode ... I think they have overcomplicated it for something that is mostly just another form of arena and it's just going to be too time consuming
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Thanks for the video Ash. When i see the words Clan Siege, all i see is more $$$$ for plarium. Cursed city was not bad at getting freebies and slowly progressing your champs to get more freebies.
Slowly progress your champions?
Honestly the worst part about Sintranos and doomtower for that matter, why do champions not get XP if they aren't max-level?
Especially the easier stages would be perfect for that in the same vein as how it works for dungeons.
I am a clan leader for a mid tier clan. Most of our players have been in the game for 2 to 4 years and play every day for 2 to 10 hours a day. For the top 6 players in the clan this feature will be exciting. For everyone else I don't see it being useful. The worst part will be that you need your least engaged players to attack first and clear the way for the most engaged players to assault the stronghold.
Very few clans have 90 key hydra which has much more flexible timing than Siege. How do you get 30 people in a middle tier clan to all coordinate their assaults?
The concept is exciting. The execution seems difficult to impossible. I hope I am wrong and intend to generate as much excitement as I can around this event. It could bring the clan together, or it could tear us completely apart.
I also wrote a large comment on the H-video.
I think Plarium/Raid has reached a point where they need to greatly restructure the game, the resources and the mechanics.
Not gonna repeat the entire thing here but:
- They need to condence the various keys and make less that can be spend on several types of content, stop the damn gatekeeping with these highly restrictive and specific "locks" {why do we have 3 different arena coins? Why do we have 7 different keys sloshing about? its utter nonsense.
- Make doomtower rotation accessible in the style of Mortal Kombat towers
Please Plarium you should make a SELECT ALL/SELL feature in every possible place as Forge items, Artifacts, and accessories we want to sell, with Select by level too, and not select one by one... it takes ages as it is currently, not speaking the tiring marathon it is on phone :(
im confused....this already exists.
Who’s gonna tell bro it’s already a thing?
@@BurntNPCfilter by level does not exist
@@BurntNPCThanks man, just noticed that tiny "select all" tbh never seen it before lol.... It helps a bit, still Id like to see it when we want to select all of our not upgraded gear we get, also when selling to filter by level. Forge selling all items without need to select them one by one.
@@UnpaidSeclusion post wasnt about a filter. post was about "select all"
This new feature is nearly massive enough to be its own game.
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The whole thing is just arena on a more grand scale.
We need off days in RSL now.
Hydra, CVC, Siege, all need to limit active members participation.
22-25 members max participate but all get the rewards, this'll allow everyone to get rotated breaks from the game at least.
Whats new sbout it ither then the bonus u pick. Its arena re skined in cursed form. Its literally reskining.
Thank you. Why aren’t people seeing this? This is the equivalent of a f’d up 3 v 3 arena, but now your entire clan is stuck in that hell
I feel like this content is made for mid to late game players. I'm ealry game (nearly 6 months). I'll be giving this a pass for many reasons. Mainly because having 30 active members will be an issue. But also seems to be a huge time sink just to learn how it all works, only to win nothing if you don't win your siege. Maybe after another 6 months I'll look back into it lol. Thanks for the video Ash! Have a great day!
As a 5 year player, I spend about an hour in the game throughout the day doing the dailies, more so if I’m going for the fusion. I will spend more time on a few days a week doing hydra. Our clan leader has already asked me if I want to become the clan leader as he doesn’t feel he will be able to for fill the required time for this mode. I suggested we give it a go round and it might become a thing we’re him and I swap clan leader role twice a month. This new game mode will likely require players to join a discord for maximum efficiency. We currently have about half the clan members on discord. The other half while being active, has not joined the discord even after daily reminders for people to join. This is likely where our clan will have the friction start, as those that do not wish to engage in the discord will likely leave if a mandatory discord joining is made. In addition, the whole donating to the clan versus using for yourself will also likely cause a divide, even if it’s something like a mandatory 50/50 split. And at the end of the day, this is arena, with certain handicaps/requirements… and did I see it right, 3 primal shards as a reward?!?! God I hope that was an error!!! It’s basically going to be 2 weeks effort and to get 3 primal shards frags every two weeks….what a slap in the face! Like giving 20 shards frags would break the game…this is likely where plarium will get the biggest kickback, the rewards! As players we will get 26 rewards a year from this mode….to be clear, if 3 primal shard frags are the rewards, that won’t even be 1 primal shard a year from this very intense looking game mode.
You forgot that there was 1 frag in the rewards too, which you only get if you "win" and it's likely that most will end with a draw and no one wins a "victory box" Even if you win all 100 of your first 100 fights with this mode being every other week, it will take 1 year 11 months to get the champion. Paylarium are never generous with rewards, but this looks as though it's the biggest piss take for the most amount of time yet. Not for me, too much PvP in this game as it is now, so just another arena mode in fancy clothing and I really don't care.
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Many things I noticed one being that there was 1 frag in the rewards with 3 primal frags, which you only get if you "win" and it's likely that most will end with a draw in the mid level especially, and no one wins a "victory box" Even if you win all 100 of your first 100 fights with this mode being every other week, it will take 1 year 11 months to get the champion and then it's a so what champ with the power creep going at a pace this year alone that matched all the previous 4. If they want us to engage in this for 2 years, the champ needs to be 2 years into the future power wise to make it relevant when we get them. Paylarium are never generous with rewards, but this looks as though it's the biggest piss take for the most amount of time yet. Not for me, too much PvP in this game as it is now that has dog tired content especially 3x3. So this is just another classic arena mode in fancy clothing and I really don't care. BTW... The 1 primal shard will take 11 months 2 weeks to get if you get 3 shards per win every time and you win every Siege. Longer if it's 1-3 ofc.
They also need to add a true in game clan live chat box that you can toggle on off and be able to adjust opacity so it doesn't dominate the screen so this can be organised in game as not every has, or wants Discord. bad implementation which lacks the ability to facilitate in game, the content they release again.
Context: I am Clan Leader in a large cluster.
I dont know if Friction is the word i would use... maybe divisiveness in the player base?
Already there is a split between players interested in CVC and no. Also - players that compete in Hydra, and those that cant stand it. Live arena was another element added that didnt necessarily divide clans, but i would say there is a divide in the player base (though i think we all agree on TTA)
This will be another divisive element.
It will become harder to build a group of 30 people all interested in the same gameplay.
Example; "Im looking for a clan that doesnt have CVC requirements, but pushes hydra clash and siege."
The more combinations there are, the more spread out we get.
In the end - this is a game.
No one wants a clan leader thats constantly sending them Discord DMs, or pestering them to get their keys in.
I think their biggest mistake was doing it 30v30... Our clan is very mixed levels its its very common for us to be 27-28/30
The matchmaking is unlikely to take these factors into account.
Clash of clans have a great formula for their clan wars and they have improved on it over the years, its very strange that they didnt draw on this for inspiration and if they did, they missed the mark.
I have a feeling our clan will not go very deep into this mode.
I am clan leader and struggle for time in game a lot of the time, adding this looks exciting but my own account would have to suffer for the greater good of the clan.
definitely agree with everyone's sentiments on needing more help on the qol side... one thing that would get lost with offering instant auto-battles everywhere is the ranking of fastest teams and which champs were used to achieve those quick victory times. maybe a middle-ground compromise would be to replace the double-battle (i think the actual name is 'super-raids') check-box with a tick up/down counter to tell the game how many keys to spend before starting a battle.
so we still have to run through one full battle each day to beat that content again, but we can use all of that day's allotment of keys to complete our entire day's farming in that single battle. this way, if our team defeats the stage quickly, there is still the benefit of recording the run-time and which champs were used.
I see what you're saying, but for areas that's allowed, does the time really matter anymore if your team can just beat it?
i concede that for the majority of players, no... aside from obviously farming brutal campaign 12-3 endlessly, most do not care about a quick W versus a slow W. but i can think of two types of exceptions who do care about speed in other areas outside of campaign...
first are some of the players in my clan who are hyper competitive, both against players in other clans as well as with each other. my clanmates do look at and talk about their relative rankings with each other on the leaderboards, and try to speed up their teams to take and re-take bragging rights long after they have defeated a stage for the first time.
the second exception are players more like me... when i am struggling with a boss or level, one of the first places i look to for help before starting outside research is through the top achievers' team compositions for ideas to improve my own team. and one of the metrics i consider to be fairly reliable to distinguish a dominant top-3 team from a barely in the top-20 or top-50 team is how fast it is able to blow through the stage.
@donjoe7529 again that's totally fair. This is all hypothetical anyway, but I imagine to people that's important, they would still push those times. Also, theoretically, of course, they would still need to complete the runs in the first place, this setting those baseline teams and speeds your looking for
I'm also optimistic for the Siege Battles, even though i'm pretty sure i'll pay next to no attention to it after the first one. It will be the same as Arena. Fight any team that doesn't have super annoying champions and use the same 4 characters every single fight.
As for the time saving, i don't want to see everything getting the quickbattle treatment. I think the 2nd guy that commented on the Hellhades video has it right.
Making more and more things quickbattle-able will just suck the soul out of the game. If they start adding the option to quick-battle more and more things, they may aswell just add a button that says "Spend ALL keys/tokens Everywhere" and basicaly do anything that requires keys with that one click.
That would "fix" the problem easily. No more Clan bosses, no more Arenas, no more Faction Wars, no more Doom Tower, no more Iron Twins, no more Cursed City, etc.
But let's be honest, is that really something anyone would want ? Any person that would say "yes" would probably end up quitting the game in a few weeks, because what's the point of logging in just to press 1 button ? We may aswell just go play Cookie Clicker.
Having the option to spend all Keys in one run in every type of content that has you doing the same fight multiple times in a row is the way to go in my opinion.
As for tokens, aka arena, they could add the option to just skip to the end results screen in every fight. That would make 3v3 bearable for sure.
I almost agree with you but not quite. I think all content should be on a time rotation like DT/Santranos where you have to complete the rotation once but once you have killed the boss on any floor/stage you can then auto result the farming aspect (DT only). As for FW I think that once you 3* any stage you can auto farm it and have for 2 years. Dungeon, you have to defeat the stage once per day in full mode then you can auto farm your energy in the background so you can do other things in game. One exception to this is... when there is an event/tournament then the auto complete is turned off for that dungeon. I do think you should have to farm it as we do now so it's not completed in seconds. Arena needs to have tokens halved with double rewards. 3x3 either needs to be scraped and something else put in it's place or completely reworked. It's the worst game mode in the entire game imo. I have a whole lot more but changes need to be made if they expect everyone to do everything and they DO! It's a solo PvE game at it's core, but it's fast turning into a communal PvP game fast. Perhaps it's time to split the content in 2 and make separate games of them, those who like/love PvP and those who don't. They won't do that ofc, but it's PvP parts of the game that take the most time now and I personally want to do the PvE and dip my toes into PvP when I want to.
@@Dharin. I agree with them adding the background fights + halving tokens while doubling rewards in pvp completely.
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Since the game has been out, we built our clan from the ground up. This clan siege is going to be fun, but it has definitely already caused a bit of a stir. It won't break us, but its most certainly going to cause a strain. Everyone play's differently. Some people don't want to make this game their life, and this may cause them to look elsewhere for fun.
One big area of contention is the time sink. Are we going to get any relief from the time sink? It's the one factor that you can't spend your way out of. Not only did we already have a few areas that are just huge time sinks (Hydra, Twins, Doom Tower, Arena, etc.), but now we have to study and form a strategy for a Clan Siege. Strategy takes time, and the successful clans will invest the time needed to formulate one. Keep in mind though, that's on top of everything else we are doing.
The Clan boss has an option to auto complete once you have already completed a certain threshold, so why not add this feature to certain dungeons, The Twins, or the Tower floors? Just this one simple feature alone, would completely change the game for the better. It would give the much needed time to do everything else. Plarium wake up, we all have jobs, LOL!
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I would like to know what the sets are
Money money money
Where? I'm not seeing where this is bringing them money. This literally seems like time, time, time and that's it.
The krakens that are going for top live arena already spent on their arena champs, this isn't incentifying then to spend more at all.
@@aelinstue9431 just wait. They are gonna start selling stuff for seige, and they are gonna rake in the cash.
I'm a more casual clan leader, and we are a casual clan. I'm seeing within my clan, as well as feeling myself, a bit of mixed emotions. I think this is a game mode that asks a lot of the leader, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Aside from picking the name and having a final say in the rules of our clan, there wasn't much separating me from the average player. However, I Hold in reserve, that I may reverse all positive emotions on this game mode, essentially depending on how well the match making goes. I feel in live arena they don't do enough to ensure that everybody gets to win, and if this game mode does not do enough to make sure everyone wins, I could see it causing resentment among clan members and causing some of my members who have been with me for years, to leave. I hope not, but I think the rewards will effect things a lot to. I almost hope that the rewards aren't good, go that people who don't want to bother. Don't drag down the ones who do, as much as they would if it had great rewards. There is a lot of contents I wish that plarium would go back and update, and I hope that after this, they focus less on new features and more on honing the features that are already there.
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Doesn't see like we have any control over clan siege as clan leaders. My clan just randomly filled all the spots up with their garbage teams
I am now a clan leader, I was going to leave my clan but I couldn’t because the game made me the leader because the last one left, the Seige looks Epic and fun. The only thing I really thought was conflicted was when they said we had to keep 30 players, A lot of players are dropping this game, so I just don’t think that it is fair to compromise a Clan just because they don’t have 30 players, otherwise I would have to disband my whole clan, and after investing my time to teach my clan members Hydra and Demon Lord. Well shoots think about it. Being a clan Leader is like having a job with no leverage, you don’t get paid and you can’t gift Clan members gear that would help them. However I plan to stick it out and agree with you that this content is going to be good, The fact that the defense Towers gives you certain boosts to choose from, makes it more like chess. And having a platform that we can use all of our champions is exciting. But yeah maybe ask Raid if they can give Clan Leaders more leverage, like being able to gift players Gems or rare gear? That would be a lot more fun than just kicking in active players.😢
I don’t see people leaving en masse because of this, but I do see it being ignored by a fair percentage of players. My work/life circumstances have changed in a way that cuts the time I have available for the game hugely. (It doesn’t help that my telecommunications provider is working on things in my town and so my connection is dropping out for most of that available time.) So I’ll be one of the ones ignoring it. I feel bad for the devs, because I do appreciate all the time and effort that went into this.
Biggest issue will be when a single player puts a defense of four +4 mythical guarding the stronghold preventing the entire opposing clan from winning. It only takes 1 whale to stop a whole clan.
This, I think, will be the biggest frustration for most. Unless you're in the very small minority that can afford to drop money on a mobile game, there will always be someone out there that will wipe the floor with you. Why participate in a game mode that you don't really have any control over. I can put my best FTP defense up and it'll get smoked by someone who can buy shards or energy whenever they need to?
Our clan leader had a 6-0 streak going and then we took a loss. He and two or three others just left one day. I happened to look at my name on the clan list and noticed that I was somehow the leader.
Its not like CoC or SWC. Theres no communication and you don't have to rely on your squad mates. So far I've got like three or four guys to man defenses for siege, but without a discord or chat ap? Without unity of command? Without esprit de corps? No comms = no fight.
I believe that organizing siege is not for everyone. I'm not a chess player. Casual clans are going to need some organization. Right now, our most pressing issue is deputizing so that people with time on their hands can actually try to figure things out.
As far as communication goes, we got a full discord, so that's cool, and I'm already trawling youtube for useful guides about siege prep.
As for whales: I'm not too anxious, because matchmaking starts on cvc results, so every clan should more or less get matched against another clan with a similar level of spending/involvment.
I agree that, after spending 2+ years in the game, some things still feel pretty new, and some things feel like… well grinding, so more quick battles will help.
All in all, it's a very nice game with amazing longevity.
Thanks for this Ash, been watching your stuff for YEARS, and as an old school gamer that still has every single Nintendo console out there I was just thinking how much time this is going to be. I am a clan leader, and it wasn't by choice, it fell in my lap when my old leader passed from cancer. Now I have a full group 30 guys and gals, we are mostly F2P, none of us are hardcore. Some of us have been in the same clan since the start of the game so we have end game accounts, but we don't have whale accounts by any means. I had just tossed out the question on how involved do we want to be with this game mode. I got a lot of answers back to "I already have a wife". Which tells me they don't want to be told what to do, when to do it or micro managed. I'd love to participate, I'd also love that it wasn't 30 on 30, create a queue. Say 20 people so we can cycle people that want to participate through it. Even though I have a full group no way will I ever have a full team that is going to participate. I don't mind being the clan leader but I don't have this kind of time to do this kind of activity and no one in my clan does. The reason I've had the same 30 people FOREVER is because we are laid back easy going and do what we can. We have no requirements other than to be active within the week.
My clan and I are very excited! I run a 30 man clan that I started around 2 years ago, a few days after starting Raid. I had absolutely no idea about clan management then and have even less of an idea now. We've managed to wing our way to UNM DL and 16 CVC wins, I am confident we can wing this :)
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I really wish it was more Co-op, friendly duels with clan members and Co-op dungeons would be epic! I'm a new FTP and your videos help a lot man 😁
Thanks man! I appreciate it ;)
Our clan already struggles to have a full 30 member team which are active and contributing members.
We generally end up trimming the fat after CvC because some people only contribute 6-30k points. Our clan requires 120k points when there rare PR, and 80k when not. Last CvC I did a gross 1.4 million points - yes I'm a spender - to secure the win. So after a CvC with PR we may lose 2-4 members and then start to recruit again.
Then there is Hydra. We currently have 27 members and therefore have 81 keys which should be used. We only had 48 keys applied this last rotation. We still placed 2nd so it's clear we don't really need the damage, and we can drop all four difficulties per rotation, but there's lack of engagement even though we harp on it 24h before Hydra ends.
We at least need more access to multi-battles. Why are they not in the shop??
I completely agree; that there's nothing more mind-numbing than FW at this stage, or the Twins, and DT. Once content has been successfully completed full-auto - we should be able to auto-complete that task so that it's not a chore. I've been playing for almost 5 years, and have a 34.5M account power. I do want more of my time back so I may enjoy the newer features they're adding.
But, Plarium is seeing engagement, and that's one way they measure success.
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My clan has a wait-and-see approach. We are pretty casual, a wide range from spenders to ftp, and from early game to late game. The rewards aren't so great that we are sweating it, mostly just going to see if this is something fun to do, and if it is, we'll do it. For context, we can defeat all hydra and CB levels to get double chests. A lot of long-time and good players.
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I worry for us smaller power guys on big power teams. I was fortunate enough to join a team that downs UNM CB daily and Hydra NM weekly. The rewards have excelled my account, that might be coming to an end for myself and many other players in my position. Then my account goes back to snail mode.😢
I am actually excited about this. Hopefully the battle phase will start Fridays after reset. Generally, people have more free time on the weekends. If their matchmaking works as intended, and that is a big if, you should have a fair shot at winning. Unfortunately, I doubt my clan will have enough participants. I would like to see a system to where each player of a clan can "opt in" to Clan Siege, and your matched based on the number of players that sign up. Tons of games have this type of system in place. Thanks for the videos Ash!!!
My guess is this will take place in-between CvC's on Tuesday-Wednesday since it's also on a 14 day loop, 12 days prep and 2 days of battle. but maybe they will surprise us.
@@MalRabbit that makes sense, each week alternates between CvC and siege.
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I agree on the need to save time in the game. On top of the things mentioned, a huge quality of life change they could make is to make multibattles themselves have a quick run option for campaign (if 3 starred). Grinding food in the game is by far the most tedious and trivial time consumer. Energy is an adequate limiter to prevent people from farming campaign more than reasonable. Most games like this have an "auto" button if 3 starred in campaigns.
I quit the game for several years and when I returned I was surprised to see the rate in which I generate shards remains unchanged in spite of the ever increasing quantity of toons. This is another time consumer that they really need to relax on--getting shards. I am certain I will quit the game immediately following expending all my shards chasing some event with unreasonable requirements because it is boring waiting a month for a sacred from monthly (and maybe a few from clan boss). They charge like 5-10 dollars for this thing and expect a month of gaming, it's just not reasonable. They need to be giving like 3 ancients where they give 1, also, so people have at least a modicum of a chance to get useful champions occasionally even ftp. My legendaries I have gotten in the few months since returning to the game: Gurptuk (~2.x rating everywhere) and Jagg Bonesaw (~3.5 ratings). Effectively useless. This is the type of results that makes ftp players just not see the point in playing when it the game is far more a measure of who spends money than time.
The problem is they have an actual business model where they purposefully make things require utterly unreasonable amounts of time or large sums of money. This method of encouraging people to pay by making play take literally too long just makes people waste more time of their day than they would like to to complete the tasks since the large sums of money are unreasonable except for people with very large sums of money. This is very clearly their intentional choice and has been since the release of the game. They have to recognize that this is not a good long-term business model because they will drive off players sooner or later, make things where people who are paying are doing so because they choose to and not because they feel they have to in order to complete unreasonable tasks purposefully designed to be that way for the sake of milking players like they are cows rather than fellow humans who also have needs. And lets be real--people don't make good decisions with their money. The company is effectively preying on people having enough in the moment that they don't value the money enough to hold onto it for a future where they may need it, but if ever people actually need the thousands of dollars they sank into a single game they will view the company through a different light if this was their business tactic. Which is fine--we all know what this is--but they have to be reasonable in their decisions.
For example, I have never done a fusion, I don't know how anyone does them. I have tried and ran out of whatever or not had the shards to do a part and realized how predatory this game is designed to be. On top of this, companies have a tendency to release new toons that make old toons obsolete. Ones that people invested real money to get, and not just small sums. They know this very well when they are purposefully designing counter champions for the sake of breaking a meta. This is of course useful to keep the game alive and flowing and not stagnant, but it can also become a business model to just systematically rinse and repeat to, again, milk the players.
Mind you, children play this game and children can also put in credit card information and spend money on the game. I wouldn't be surprised if in a decade there is a class action law suit against companies like this. It would probably behoove Plarium to be mindful of how they design their game--whether it is a game designed to be enjoyed or a game designed to bring them profits.
I feel exactly the same. Looks awesome but a lot of work that I might not be able to keep up.
My biggest worry is the amount of coordination and organisation this needs. I love the idea of the mode. And I'm excited for it. But you need to have someone who can control the clan. I'm less worried about the time sync, and more how it's going to effect the dynamics of more casual clans who let people enjoy what they're doing in the game in a more lassaire faire way. They will need to get more control over everyone and direct them way more than the caudal clans ever have had to
Adding to this. I think you need more coordination tools. Clan leadership need to be able to set targets for their clanmates within the game. Like big ole red crosshairs to tell people where they need to hit. Raid completely lacks the tools to disseminate a plan to the clan on how to do this. To tell your clan what the priorities are. There is no easy way for the clan to execute a plan. I think give clans those tools this will be just another level
I see a lot of people complaining about how their clan doesn't communicate enough or seem motivated enough. Listen, I was loyal to the first or second clan I was in even though I had a hint that the clan just wasn't clicking well. Look for a new clan. There are plenty of clans with active discords and the right people. Staying in a spot you know isn't working ain't gonna get it done. Up to you to change it.
I agree that Super Raids in Mino would be a huge help for time saving. It would also be a catchup mechanic for newer players trying to build champs quickly.
I agree that this is a very well thought out system they´ve done here. They should change the rewards, making it more appealing, and also add something to clans who lose in these wars. At least something for participating. Mostimportantly they should add a better way for clans to communicate within the clan, the chat system in place isn´t good enough for all the planning needed to do these wars.
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the worst thing that plarium did is after weakening the Iron Sand Devil Shogun bosses, they reduced the drop rate on chaos dust, so those people who had a team on these bosses previously lost so much, they should restore the same rate on chaos dust. Previously, from about 10k energy, I had about 150, now I have 30 this is great
I'm a clan leader. Been playing since around 2019ish, close to the beginning. I remember begging for new content! But this is exactly why I stopped playing my last mobile game (marvel contest of champs). Eventually it got to be a chore rather than something to escape from my hectic irl schedule- I'm a self employed artist, in school getting my BA in history, & I'm a wife & mom as well. I just want one game that is my enjoyable little escape- one I'm happy to spend quite a bit of money on from time to time even. But not spending hours a day. I really enjoy raid & my clanmates. I'll stick it out & see for now, But if they don't make big changes by mid semester when work & school is hectic ah, I'm going to have to walk away. So depressing.
Fully agree, great job. Playing raid at endgame level looks like having another job. Too much time needed and more and more content added. Quick battles everywhere and time reduction systems are the expected answers.
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As a clan leader, this is daunting for sure
apart from the flaws, it is Plarium after all and they are full of flaws
Rewards are bad Winning conditions are not great
BUT it is very tactical and it is competitive which, as of now, is whale proof as far as they cand but florins and mana globes thank god.
the concept is good but I wont give Plarium that many props YET, but that's what you do and its ok
Realistically it is OK what matters is IF they make improvements as we go. Very important
I am looking forward to this but I'm very cautions at the same time, again it Plarium and their track record sucks
wishing for the best, expecting average if not below
i have seen my Clan thru Hydra as far as making teams and helping, this is the same but on a higher level
As a whole, and I take polls and communicate to all 30 of my clan members weekly, we are cautiously optimistic but
looking forward to a great challenge! Almost all my clan members are up for a new challenge!
I anticipate this being bad for my clan overall. We already struggle to keep 30 members and lose people after every CvC. Between Hydra Clash and CvC we struggle to get more than 2/3 participation most of the time. Currently sitting at 50 out of 90 hydra keys used with 10 hours left. Have already had a few members openly state they won't be doing this new mode which according to Plarium will put us at a "disadvantage" already. We used to be a top 100 Clan and have fallen over the past year or two to a top 500 clan.
please ash!!! What buffs should a leader use in siege? Is it all combat? Or is it for arena only?
Love you Ash! Keep pushing out the incredible content. Moreover, don’t ever change your personality. THAT is the main reason I will always come back and support you!
Thanks man! I appreciate it :)
2:10 raid at its finest milking us dry 😂😂😂😂😂
Fateless crew in the corner taking notes as this goes live! "What not to do"
You are right "PAID SHADOW LEGENDS"
If they add quick battle for Hydra they need to have all single target provokers have smart ai where they always use their provoke skill on the head of decay and dps to always focus on eaten champs regardless of affinity. This would mitigate the need to click heads and make full auto more approachable.
Mino and all other DUNGEONS should count toward DUNGEON divers!
I actually do enjoy Cursed City. Wouldn't mind more rotations, to keep up seeing new stages each time. Saying that knowing I can't complete hard on most of them and have never defeated Amius.
I like Iron Twins, but I'm all for a single click to use all keys.
Hydra I get to not have a quick battle for, even if it is one part of the game that I put off due to how much time it takes.
Before Clan Siege was even announced, I wasn't too happy with the clan I'm in. They require Discord, which is fine, but the people who run it daily do @ everyone posts. Got to the point that I set the Discord to mute and now I rarely even look at it. People are always coming and going from the clan and I expect Clan Siege to cause more people to leave. The one thing I don't mind is that the clan leaders have said for nobody to do anything until they look things over about the feature. I'm fine with that. They can let me know who to put where and I might, but no way am I rebuilding champs or farming gear that they want me to farm, just because they tell me to. I farm what I want to farm, when I have time. I'll gear my champs how I want them geared. I'll build the champs I want to build for the content I want to do. Clan Siege will not change how I play my account, but I do feel it will lead to a lot of people shuffling around to different clans.
I totally agree. This mode looks awesome for Clan cooperation. So ready to give it a shot!
Thanks for watching ;)
Plarium really need to look at the communcation interfaces for this. One maintenance or a long convo and crucial info for the clan could be lost. Especially for clans or players who dont use Discord.
I think everyone is jumping the gun on judgement. 12 days to prepare? Idk, let’s just give it a shot first and see how it all goes down. 🤷🏻♂️
I'm in 2 clans; as leader of 1, not planning on doing it (clan very small), while the other hasn't made the decision yet (but also, we're understaffed as is).
I'm in my clan's leadership and i personally don't have any issues with the structure and time requirement of the game mode. My clan will most likely do this once or twice and give up on it, if we even try it at all. I don't think it will cause any major issues within the clan, just be an ignored game mode. It all comes down to the rewards, simply put they are no where's near good enough to justify how complicated sieges will be.
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The amount of effort involved in Siege is a concern. Our clan leader is around but not very communicative. One of the other guys took the initiative to start a Discord server for us, but so far only 5-6 of us have joined. People log on and play, but they don't engage in the in-game chat, so they're probably unaware of the new server. They may not even know that Siege is starting, and that it's going to require a good deal of cooperation. I was shocked to discover I was a Deputy, which means I'm going to be one of the poor slobs who has to help get things organized. I'm admittedly a bit stressed. I want to do good by my clan, especially my active teammates who do their best during CVC and encourage others. But I'm not a strategic genius and I'm still trying to absorb the strengths and weaknesses of my champs. I already spend a ton of time trying to refine my Hydra and Clan Boss teams. Setting up defenses, choosing special abilities, scheming for the best attack on our competition, etc., that may be above my ability to perform.
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What I should SKIP to save TIME for this new Siege event?
I agree with the time in game needs to be adjusted. as much as I love to play I can’t keep up. With 12 hour work shifts and family. Family and priorities will always take precedence, with a game this involved you get left behind instantly, so if they want to keep their working class around they gotta make some quick key fixes 😅
Reminds me of that other online game Forge of Empire.
As a clan leader this will cause massive issues inside the clan from a demoralizing perspective. We are a clan that span old timers to new ftp's and we will not stand a chance in Siege simply because of the gamut of players and progression we have. The communication is laid back and friendly and that will all change to , do this or do that so i can set all defenses, stop slacking. All this will cause drama that is not needed nor wanted. On top of that we have no internal way to communicate among leader and deputies to divy out the tasks so we have to resort to Discord, why? On top of this they also are repeating the most hated aspect of Hydra Clash (which they are fixing btw) and that is all or nothing aspect of rewards. Why put the time into it if all your time have a potential to be completely wasted, my personal time is not free. So as much as I would like to think this feature will drive clan engagement I fear it will do the exact opposite and cause strife and drama which ultimately makes people leave
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I'm in a casual clan and from what I'm seeing, I'd say this is going to be dead content for us. we haven't spoken about it at all. from the latest video I'm certainly not interested as low level clans are probably going to be competing for 5* gear which i outgrew over a year ago. 6* gear needs to be the minimum for these kinds of modes (talking about existing cvc as well) because of the age of the game even casual players who have been playing since the beginning have outgrown the 5* rewards which makes these things somewhat pointless.
the only 5* gear i even look at are the shield rings from cvc because of how annoying scarab is without them. but then it feels bad when you know (or even think) you could be doing better in other areas of the game if you could upgrade those pieces to 6*
as for the time issue i do sort of understand them not implementing auto complete features to a lot of the game because from my experience if the game becomes "autocomplete simulator" then what's the point of playing? and also to answer your point how many times have you 3 starred content manually (particularly when you just started playing) but then ran it again and it failed? unfortunately there is a element of randomness not just in your teams performance but the enemies as well. an unlucky 1% critical hit on your team and you're wiped. also having to wait for content to complete motivates people to try and create faster teams, otherwise you might as well just build all your teams really tanky, complete the content in 30 minutes then autocomplete it in 3 seconds.....it doesn't breed good team strategy. my solution would be a system where you have to complete the content like 100 times in a row without it failing, then it unlocks an autocomplete. there is still some motivation to create fast teams but if you cannot you eventually still get the autocomplete reward if you're willing to put in the time.
Im one of the leaders in my Guild and im thinking of quitting raid due to the amount of time is needed just to play it on a daily bases with working and personal life i like a few other members just dont have the time to do half the stuff needed normally and its great that plarium is still adding new stuff to the game i think its great but at what cost. Early game and mid game players who cant 2min stage 20 plus dungeons losing time there which addds up after you factor in what your doing in a day if they added the same system as SWGOH auto battle systems for multi sims i think it would free up a lot of time for players across the board just my thoughts on the matter
In rsl helper there is a hydra battle auto feature.
I really love this idea but the main thing is time I'm a clan leader my guys like me because I have no CVC requirements and then this cam about y clan told me that I'm not quitting the game cuz I'm not going to lie I was wanting to quit the game when this came about but most of my clanmate said we don't have to do this if we want to do it we can but we don't necessarily have to enjoy Raid Shadow Legends ps we love Hydra clash competing in that
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In my clan all our lesser members just randomly filled all the defense slots with no discussion or planning. All the players that actually understand the games did nothing yet but now there are nothing but posts left to fill smh
I've had 2 people leave. We've had to kick 3 people because they are not in the discord, and this siege mode requires communication.. it all has been very frustrating at the announcement of this mode, and I have been stressed about it in RL.
I clear dailies within 10 minutes some days when all I want to do is get them down and quick CB key. I will win the quick 1 man defenses in arena and i'll 1 man offense the last couple just to be in and out. I might circle back sometimes for Twins keys or something else. Early am, grab CB boxes and run my 2 13 minute UK keys. Otherwise, it'll be playing for 2-3 hours.
I want a way to "auto climb" both 3v3 and classic arena. Pick what teams you want to auto, and walk away. That by itself would make Arena quicker to farm.
As far as the new Claw War /Siege Features. Well, it's kind of like "I'll take things I don't give a damn about for a thousand Alex.
Yes we need time back! If anything, if they don't want to quick battle Doom Tower Bosses or ITwins... let us combine all of those keys into 1 run. If you lose, you lose (you still get your keys back), and if you win once (how ever long it takes) it should count as all 6 keys in ITwins, or all 16/15 in DT. Maybe on Void day, you have to run ITwins twice, but both runs count towards all 6 keys. I agree, this is the easiest low hanging fruit... Mino is a different ball of wax design wise... Would love time help there, but DT and Twins would be huge. Oh and Live Arena is the worst time sync....
When I saw the rewards I thought they where joking. But after seeing the chest, the update was done for me. Way to less rewards and not even really good ones and which janitor at palrium came up with the victory chest idea. Probably 60% of the Clans will get a chest only in about 1 out of 5 battles. They said like:Crazy Rewards and showed a bit Clan Gold, Quartz, Gear and one, yes one damn champion fragment. I thought it couldn't get worse than Maud or Karnage, but dude Plarium nailed it again with a only kraken and PtW excesseable frag fusion.
I dunno man. It’s a 2 week rotation with 12 days of prep… I’d imagine there will be someone in each clan willing to take point. You’ve gotta have a discord server or something going though, the in-game comms are atrocious.
There will be a steep learning curve I’m sure, but once you get the hang of it after 3 months it’ll be on auto pilot like everything else.
Don’t take it too seriously out of the gate and the majority of clans will be fine
This is a great update and we should want Plarium to improve the gameplay aspects of the game, because that’s what it is at the end of the day, a video game.
It’s only 4 fights in like 2 days. The clan leaders will have 12 days to figure out boosts. I rly don’t think it’ll be as much of a burden compared to enjoyment everyone will get out of it. If ppl are having fun, they won’t care how much time it will take.
except you get nothing if you don't win, all you need is one giga kraken to stop the stronghold from being defeated then you get nothing, then they also get nothing if they dont beat your stronghold, you could wipe the floor with the other clan and get stuck on 1 singular team at the end of their stronghold resulting in a draw so all of your time effort and resources go to waste, this is actually terrible game design in which 89 teams are beaten but 1 team prevents you from getting anything, even cvc isn't that unreasonable
We'll see what it'll take presicely and how large a clan needs to be to even conpete. but from the HH-video I got the impression you have to do some legwork to even make it in.
At any rate, its nothing I'd lament losing out on, so... straight as she goes as they say.
@@SilentStorm98 you must be new to the game. There is no defense in the game that is 100% win rate. Plat arena defenses are good if they have a 50% win rate. If you find a Uber crazy defense, share the screenshot with your clan, and with your 30 members’ accounts, I’m sure you’ll find a solution to beat the proverbial final boss. If you don’t think that’s fun, then idk what to tell you man, this is exactly what ppl have been wanting for clan collaboration since the game launch.
We need quick battles for dungeons and campaigns that will solve a lot of time issue
im not even gunna do this. just like i never do live arena
Agree with you 110pc Ash . I'm already struggling timewise trying to complete tasks . Omg clan seige sounds stressful , and I feel will take the enjoyment out of cruising through the game as best you can . I have MANY complaints about Raid , as much as I LOVE the game , I'm now strongly considering uninstalling it and finding another game to play . It's becoming too much about money .....if anyone has suggestions re other games of a similar vein , I'd love to hear about them .
I love that you have to put in time and get rewarded for investing your time. At least one aspect outside of spending that affects your progress.
Running clans in Crime City back in the day was madness
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Also, am I the only one who'd like to see ancient shards rewarded in Mino? They're available in every Dungeon except for Mino and IT. Include Ancients and super raids!
Clan leaders that dip out as soon as a bit of strategy and communication is required aren't real clan leaders imo. It's good that this game finally has some real pvp clan strategy instead of mindless grinding on cvc. I do agree they should cut a part of the grindy time investment every time new things like this gets added. Instant clearing stages of old content or limiting Hydra to 500 turns for example.
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If the rewards are 'the next OP artifact', it will cause pain/fomo/churn. I fear the fomo, and if they do nothing for in game time-savings I'll probably take a break and just do CB daily until they introduce some real QOL. I too feel for clan leaders, mine's like ehhhhh ... I dunno guys ...
Pretty much all I do in Raid anymore is the daily Clan Boss, and sometimes Hydra. Can beat all of Doom Tower but normally don't. I don't even know why I pull during 2x anymore.
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I honestly hate the quick battle idea. So much of the fun of this game comes from optimizing your teams. What they should do is cut the number of the keys in half and double the rewards per run. Will be exactly the same just half as much time spent. Still gives a reason to optimize though
Siege is a great idea. It's what cvc should have always been. I would like it to replace TTA though. I might just give up on ramantu simply because of the TTA missions. That would also free up some time. But perhaps mostly for us, not in the endgame.
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It will create major drama, and I can see clans who can do Hydra collapsing, so people can get into a better clan. The game already takes way too much time. As one of the leaders of my clan, I am not excited about this. It is already a pay to win, but this pushes it to the next stage. I thought the limited Blademasters was a problem, but this could make it far worse.
if people dos 4-5h a day in normal raid ..where do there find the time to set clan siege up...????? people dont have that time ekstra
Huge time sink on raid and I play watcher of realms too. When I’m back in work I dunno how I’ll find the time to do it all as so much to be done. They need to take a page from WOR and make better quality of life updates.
Our clan is not even 30 strong and many barely contribute when doing cvc. Any clan similar will struggle and may even not bother with this as an extra time sink.
my clan has like seven active players and i get really get upset sometimes cause its hard to kill demon lord, its hard to do cvc and now there adding siege, 🥴like how tf is our clan going to do siege when theres no one active. i just really hope plarium changes some of the clan stuff, like the clan chat if there was like something like a message that showed up in your inbox, and said like important message from clan leader telling you to finish off nightmare. thank you for your time, and yes ash i completely agree, also plarium pls add quick battle to FK, IG, and dragon.
I am excited about the addition of clan seige but agree with you whole hartedly I already play 10+ hrs every day and am struggling to complete everything am able to do