How Does A Ripping Plane Rip Boards
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The japanese have a tool called a wari-kebiki, roughly translates to "breaking marking gauge". It's a marking gauge with a beefier blade than a regular kebiki, and usually with a rabbet. you score it with a bunch of swipes and then tap it with a hammer to get shooting-board ready cuts. Note that it's meant only for soft woods like hinoki and paulowina, and would probably not work on anything with janka 600+.
One thing immediately came to my mind. If the teeth had the spacing offset correctly then a fewer number of passes would be required. Now it seemed that all the teeth hit the same spots every revolution. If i had that kind of plane I’d probably try and make a new cutting wheel to test that.
Also it struck me that a version of this tool might be perfect for cutting cardboard with. Maybe I’ll give it a shot making one.
When you first showed us this, I thought it would be used to make a kerf for sawing - like a kerfing plane but only for ripping. Interesting tool. Thanks for sharing.
So basically, instead of cutting along the grain like a normal knife, it actually cuts into it from the top. Honestly that's actually smart. And probably not too difficult to build one yourself
the problem is making the adjustment mechanism to move the blade up and down. but it would be a fun build!
@@WoodByWrightHowTo hmm, I suspect it's a small frame that holds the blade and then gets moved as a whole inside?
It is basically a blot with a slit cut into it that the wheel rides in. then a nut on top adjusts it up and down.
i just acquired a Stanley 45 with all the original pieces, in great condition, with the box.
Lucky. I had to piece a kit together and find blades. I still need a slitting blade.
That's a ripping good plane.
Ha ha, I was going to say “another ripping yarn from James” but you kind of beat me to it.
I doubt I’ll ever use these older tools in woodworking but I find your content to be awesome! I’m glad you have this passion because I’ve learned so much since I started following. Thank you so much for learning me.
Thanks for the kind words. I'll keep the videos coming.
been doing a 1/12 doll house this year and i wouldn't have mind using this tool for ripping the parts
I've not used the ripping plane, but I have used the slitting cutter on the 45. I used it for making a deeper mark on wood before resawing it, and I have used it to make blanks for my Bridge City Tool Works Chopstick Maker. For drawer bottoms I either make a rabbet or just shave the bottom down with a regular bench plane.
This looks handy for making Kumiko!
Watched your short and glad to see a longer format discussing and demonstrating this! Very cool tool! Thanks for sharing James! Now, get Rex to have Compass Rose offer a it as a kit! 😁
Thats a sorta nice idea. I have fun making wooden tools ie planes ,cabinet scrapers, router plane,spokes shave etc
I shouldn't be too hard to make one
.the iron could be sourced from an old hand saw blade and if the cutters are irregularly spaced second pass will always guarantee a good cut.
I'm heading out to the shed,, as we speak,,,
I would vote for the thin walled boxes for a project. I've got a project I've been stalled on because it needs drawers that are like 3x4x6 inch, and i've been stalled on trying to figure out a decent means for joining the drawer walls. It's too thin for a dovetail to be realistic (I'm looking at like 3/16" walls to preserve internal space), and other joints run into similar issues, I'd be interested in what you come up with for joints.
Hmmm. Maybe do a box or drawers with as many 1 trick tools as you can. An old grooving plane, that ripping plane, maybe a molding plane, I dunno… a mortise drill. Oooh. And then we can track the prices those go for on eBay before and after the video 😂
I look forward to a 16 episode long series, where each episode lasts 60 minutes (ish).
In that time you get to make a one third scale French letter writing desk. Most of the desk can be made from thin woods. Exceptions being the legs.
I shall then start to call you “The new Norm”.
I've never realized that the 45/55 had a slitting cutter that would be used separately from another iron.
Never seen or heard of them - BUT...they should be back in production. From a carpentry point of view, it could be used to quickly mark large timber (like a marking gauge but easier) before ripping with a saw and I imagine it would work on end grain of thick timber too. Nice find...!
Dad joke on the horizon...
Talking of dotted lines, when I got my full driving licence, it had a bit that said 'tear along the dotted line', so I did - and I lost my licence for speeding...! 😐
I would try modifying it for use as a kerfing plane. I was actually using my combination plane with an 1/8” iron the other day to help rip an 8/4 piece of cherry. It worked great.
The problem is it does not remove any material it just crushes it. but you never know untell you try.
Really nice that you completed the tool. Amazingly handy. How about making kite sticks?
Would guess ripping strips for Kumiko with that one ist a lot of fun.
A very interesting tool. Like you I had not seen this before. I wonder why this did not become more common.
I noticed Rex’s Sawyer’s Hooks on your benchtop. Nice. I feel part of a real community. Kudos.
And the Lake Erie Tools marking knife.
Thanks for that morsel of history👍
CDB. Thanks James. Take care & stay safe.
I don’t have a Kinnings patent ripping plane, but I do have a 3-arm kerfing plane, and that’s how I rip my drawer bottoms. The Kinnings is nice because when the bottom is slid into a groove, the slight imperfections are hidden.
So, it's a (interrupted) wheeled marking gauge, but so overgrown, that it needs depth-of-cut adjustability and bench plane handles for force transfer.
I love the idea and want a modern take on it! How about using spinning bushings as glides on the fence as an upgrade?
I would love to see some small boxes, or trays. Watching your videos are always good for morale. Thanks
Always enjoy when you show the archaic and unusual. Never seen on and don't know how useful even for a guy who specializes in hand hooks. I would definitely like to play with one but if it didn't fall into my lap, I probably would have passed. Nice find.
i seen one before but did not know what it was for, i was told it was for making wooden crates , for strawberry's , makes sense now , the one i saw was well used, they would cut a pre cut to length cants then use a shingle saw that cut flats not wedge shingles , the plane was used to rip the lattes to width to get the most out of each live edge shingle cut from the cants made out of cedar or fur ,,, been 40+ yrs now since in seen one rare plane in deed ,it was replaced by a drop edging saw equipped width a depth stop ,that could edge and then cut too width the slats on one saw , as shingles can be random width and still work the crates needed regular dementioned slats thus the width stop feature , they said the plane was used in a edging box jig that the shingle was placed in and the plane slid between guide rails , first pass was to edge then trim cleared shingle slide to stop then sliced then repeated till there was nothing worth ripping ,but cants had to have straight grain or it was hard to slice with the hand plane , thus the drop edging saw , could cut through lower grade wild grain even knotted wood that was adequate for the crates ,the saws saved labour cost as more could be done by one man in a day with less effort with lower grade timbers thus the total cost per unit \ profits made the drop edger replacement were a no brainer ,crates supplemented the shingle work for the business for many years ,it was all about keeping year round skilled work force too the local areas ,they also cut slates for snow fences and lobster traps ,and i imagine for plaster walls , although i think sheet rock had killed that market by then ,
I think you’re onto something here. Old tool explanations are a go!
Cool tool! Thanks James.
I've definitely seen the same thing done with those fancy-pants Japanese bladed marking gauges and this seems like a really good tool for that purpose. Would also be interested to see if it can do any other tasks
I'd like to see you make that shave horse you mentioned using that ripping plane.
Here you go. czcams.com/video/wP2YYKIxJ90/video.htmlsi=ja-dRRRVb9pPnI5O
Thanks for not ripping us off
It would be interesting to know what the max thickness of each wood type this can do. I suppose you will learn that with time. Atleast now I know what that is if I ever run across one!
It all depends on how sharp the blade is and how hard you push.
This was interesting to see the plane work and how well it does work. Thanks for sharing this.
I wonder
I would like. To. See more of this
I would love to see thin wood trays: would you do thin wood mitered dovetail for the tray? That would be a fascinating (and difficult) project.
Very cool, but noticing that HUGE jointer plane. standing up behind you. Wow!
that is a coopers plane. here is the video on that. czcams.com/video/VSUsVzVhZfg/video.htmlsi=2qKQugpAB35ONeg4
I would like to see how well that works on veneer. Regular commercial veneer and hand cut thickness, especially on veneer, that has crazy grain. Veneer saws work great, but they are difficult to sharpen.
it is ok, but the slitting cutter works a bit better there.
Thin stock or veneer only and it will spilt your stock close to if not right where the Wright wishes it to be.
Great job. Thank you 😊
i use the thin 1/4 hobby oke from home deopt for boxes some times , i wonder how that would cut it , it looks like a good tool maybe you can convince some one to make them again
Small boxes are fun, but making a ripping plane would be funner :P
Just thinking about it, as you used that ripping plane - Could a pizza cutter, I mean that fancy cutting wheels you roll over a pizza, do the trick also ? All you need is to sharpen the cutter and attach a fence
That could be useful for lattice work.
Very cool! Thank you!
Huh that's pretty cool. If you start doing a lot of casework I bet you'd get a lot of use from it.
What a neat gadget! Thanks for sharing it with us!
Really interesting tool indeed, James! 😮
Now you can finally make all those drawers organization... thingies... You know what.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks
thanks! if there is ever something you want to see. let me know!
That is a very we tool, yes it is kind of a one type use tool but it is the tool to use for that job
That's an interesting one.
Hi James! Thank you for taking the time to explain this odd little bit of old tech. I love this kind of thing. How problems were overcome in the age before power tools is fascinating to me. Question from a newb... Would you use that to make a marking line for a saw rip in a thick piece of wood?
you could use it as a marking gauge, but a marking gauge does it better.
And the next video is working out how to sharpen the blade (however many there are!) 🙂
I actually did that in last Saturday's video. Just use a fine file on both sides.
I wonder... Could it be used to "perferate" a thin stack of pages for old school book binding, when books were sewn together instead of glued? Or, with the adjustable fence, for slitting the center of pages for fold over booklets/pamphlets. I can see it as a book binding tool instead of a wood working tool. Maybe started in book binding and transfered to woodwork?
It'd be worth a shot. But I think it would cut holes that are a little too big
Slitting blade might also be called a scoring wheel, so what’s the score? Did we win or lose?
I am relatively sure I followed all videos here and IG. Did we get to see the blade wheel adjustment mechanical? I am guessing it is a cube of metal with a notch to hold the axel for the blade wheel. A threaded end in the cube to turn the knob. Cube travels inside the body with a reticular hole. The brass escutcheon plate allows the cube carrier to be taken in and out. Close?
It's more like a bolt that has a slot cut into it for the wheel to fit into and then a nut on top that drives the bolt up and down
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Ahh figured it had a block attached but even simpler having the bolt carry the cutter. Larger diameter bolt than I thought too. :)
Just roll with it!
Thanks. Informative.
Interesting
In playing with the plane, have you tried find the limit of thickness you can do? Seems also with a couple swipes on both sides of thicker material you can reduce your workload of a saw rip also.
it won't reduce the workload of a saw as it does not remove material, and the depth depends on the wood. For soft pine, I might be able to push it in 3/16 of an inch, meaning you could snap 3/8" thick lumber. But in poplar, i don't think I would go any thicker than 1/4"
Love it
Now I want one, but my guess is that this video has already sent their value through the roof if you can even find them. :) So I'll have to make one, but not sure how the depth knob works. Any ideas?
Thanks James, It's clear it will be a great tool for cutting veneers, same as slitter on 45 and 55
I think you should have an awesome interstitial like Rex used to have... Except, "Rex didn't figure it out!" 😆
Two questions, how well does it work on plywood? How does it fair with thicker wood?
It does not work well on plywood at all because plywood is always cross grain. How thick it cuts depends on how soft the wood is. With something like Maple I wouldn't want to go any more than a quarter inch absolute maximum.
cool
Could you modify the fence to do thin strips, like a kumiko project?
Seems like this tool has pretty much endless potential with thin stock projects. Really neat
I believe the fence can already do quite thin strips. It has a rabbet in it to allow it to fit underneath the sole.
Interesting tool.🙂🙂
Thanks for sharing that!
Very interesting
I wonder if it was more common in marquetry.
It's not as good for veneer as that tends to split a little easier. But if you're working with thicker 16th inch veneer it can be useful there.
Roll On
Feeding the algorithm! 🎉
Maybe the most surprised I've been in a while. Be good for the coin puzzle boxes you made a few weeks, months, years ago.
CDB!
Cut along the dotted line.
So I just need a wheel from my rear derailleur :D
As the Aussies might say, she looks like a little ripper!
Right James, please dont RIP too fast 😬
If you are making a drawer bottom that fits into dadoes, do you even need to clean up the edge?
no you dont!
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That is pretty cool. Wonder if I could make one.
the difficult part is the depth adjuster.
@@WoodByWrightHowTojust attach it to a pivoting plate.
5 or 6 mm steel would do. It will be a bit of fun inventing a threaded adjustment mechanism.
Currently, this plane (with original fence) is slated to sell for at least $350 USD at the current MJD auction!!!!
CDB
Wow all the work you've done lately has you "ripped"
I'm here for the party
Awesome, any chance you could do a vid on the inner workings. I enjoy seeing how things were done in the pre-cnc days. By the way, add a joke about your uncle's pinky finger and ripping something... lol
I would love to but I have not been able to get this one apart. the patent does not show how to remove it eather.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo have you tried an axe?
Shouldn't matter if you can find one, they shouldn't be that hard to make! Half the battle sometimes is knowing a thing exists and having a pattern!
the tricky part is the depth adjusting mechanism.
Word of advise. With Stanley 45,46,55 installing both short and long rods makes the fence lock. Just one set of rods it can move.
Could you use this to make stock for kumiko (sp?)
Sure. It would be great there.
Me? I'd make many boxes and drawer bottoms.
Cross cut?
I was going to ask that. 😂
it does not do well there. but that is easer with a back saw.
This video slipped right in.
Now since you made this video, we will all get ripped off as prices soar
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It's a plane-clothes saw!
Did I ask you to describe the geometry of the teeth?
they are just double bevel chisel points. I show sharpening them in last Saturday's video if you want to see closer.