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  • @AvenueX123
    @AvenueX123  Před 4 lety +114

    On July 25, The Economist, under the column Chaguan, an article called "Lessons from a summer hit:
    A blood-drenched television thriller asks hard questions about right and wrong" is published. The columnist emailed me on that week's Monday, asking for an interview, I decided not to respond based on the angle he's going to write about "The Bad Kids" suggested in that email. He still went ahead quoting me without getting my consent first. Since this is a YT video which is open to public commentary I don't have a big problem with that (though I really don't appreciate it, I know The Economist is a well-known publication, but it doesn't mean I need to enjoy this uninvited interest)
    He did assume I'm Chinese-Canadian, which I'm not. I'm not a Canadian citizen. I also don't appreciate the angle of his article, and his usual rhetoric on China. I looked through his interviews on TV and his twitter account, and I really am not a fan of his attitude towards China in general. I have responded today to his email and he has written back. I'll put it to rest now.
    This is a drama review channel, I certainly didn't invite any people with other motives to use my content for whatever purposes they have in mind. Maybe this won't be the last time such things happen, but I'll remain focused on drama and cultural related content for my channel. I hope everyone who gets to see this message would respect that decision.

  • @yh3082
    @yh3082 Před 4 lety +118

    For me the the revelation that CY was definitely the bad kid was when he made the final call to ZDS to go meet him in the boat, and as he said "I still have the memory card" (which he denied and retracted over and over) and then slowly looks over at YL, that's when I realized CY was hinting ZDS to kill YL as he was the last witness! This was backed up by DS on the boat when he said "I know what you want me to do" and proceeds to attack YL. I watched the drama a second time and specifically looked out for these small inconsistencies and hints surrounding CY, and there were lots of them. Like the scene when DS asked CY why is he doing this if not for the money and CY said its for his "friends", and straight away in the next scene we see his friends running towards him, and he just turns his back on them with a blank expression and leaves with his dad. His classmates call him a hypocrite and it gets dismissed as bullying, but maybe they just see him for what he is. Even a small lie such as denying with a straight face to his dad that he avoided eye contact with his wife suggests that CY was intentionally trying to drive a wedge between the two. There was also the contrast between the first episode where he runs out to chase the friends he craved so much, to later on responding to the whistles with dread and constantly asking them when they are leaving and why haven't they left yet. I think CY's role as the "unreliable narrator" has been hinted through and through with these small inconsistencies without explicitly showing his motives, so out of selection bias we the viewers would rather see him as a simple melancholic kid who just want a wholesome family and friends, rather than a cold-hearted, selfish manipulator. The direction was absolutely masterful in this level of character development, never felt this much chill coming from a fictional character, let alone a kid!

    • @MsAntibeauty
      @MsAntibeauty Před 4 lety +15

      Even ZCY could manipulate the manipulative cold killer like ZDS..

    • @YudycaPutra
      @YudycaPutra Před 3 lety +15

      We as the viewers are also fooled with the seemingly innocent expression of CY LOL. I even started to believe that he actually PUSHED his stepsister and Pupu witnessed it (hint in the letter that he read in the last eps).

    • @florencelaw1122
      @florencelaw1122 Před 2 lety +2

      I don't think CY is a hypocrite - at least in the beginning. This kid was a victim of a lot of things. What I see is a tragic corruption which can be totally avoided, if YL and PP did not come into CY's life. Instead it became inevitable. It's easy to dismiss CY as a hypocrite, however don't forget this boy has actually experienced a lot of trauma - somehow he needed to be as 'twisted' as he 'survived' the world. This is why a lot of serial killers who had broken families, chose to kill because they did not want to be victims themselves.
      Noted how CY mentioned his regret was to open the door for his longtime friend and how much he wanted to 'start anew', he wanted his life to be a 'fairytale'. But in reality, the boy had transformed a Machiavellian hero.

  • @kennethchu437
    @kennethchu437 Před 4 lety +60

    The book shows characters who have endured so much darkness that they have become dark themselves. It was a crime novel so it was written for a select audience who can handle it. The drama managed a delicate balance between light and shadow and definitely has more appeal to a larger general audience. The book plot also explains why episode ten started with the cartoon about the wolf inviting the three chickens to his house for a party and ending up eating them. I thought it didn't reflect what happened in the episode. The closest thing was the 3 kids going with Zhang to McDonald, but of course that meal did ultimately enrage Zhang into a final killing spree.

    • @hellobye3188
      @hellobye3188 Před 3 lety +20

      The McDonald's scene was just so dark. Because the one who suggested the teacher to eat together was CY because the teacher was about to eat at the car. Then later at the bathroom scene, CY was the one who brought the topic of YL turning himself up and the memory card knowing clearly that the teacher would follow them if they left together because it would be too suspicious going together to the bathroom.

  • @gintaresprauniute3612
    @gintaresprauniute3612 Před 4 lety +66

    Wow, I can't believe how dark the novel is. After hearing you talk about these differences, I gotta say I prefer the drama version. I actually really liked how all the characters seemed to be more gray and it was not easy to just label them as 'good' or 'bad'. I think that sort complexity and nuance really reflects well of real life and it made the drama more interesting for me. I would not been able to enjoy the drama as much if all of the characters and the plot would have been so dark.
    And thank you so much for doing these videos on the bad kids! I'm really interested to go deeper into this story, however my Chinese level is too low to understand most of the other commentary out there.

    • @florencelaw1122
      @florencelaw1122 Před 2 lety +4

      I would think I would prefer drama as well. CY from the novel does not act like a kid.

  • @YudycaPutra
    @YudycaPutra Před 3 lety +15

    I think CY in the drama is a more rounded and sensible character than in the book. The book CY is like an adult sociopath from the beginning while CY in the drama has a subtle shift in character from a normal kid to a semi scheming sociopath-to-be kid at the end of the story, getting his character closer to ZDS who were pushed by circumstances to force himself becoming a murderer. I can't imagine how CY turns out to be in the future lol perhaps a more scheming ruthless killer than ZDS...

  • @neptunejoo
    @neptunejoo Před 4 lety +22

    Even in the end, I concluded that CY is the bad kid, how many times he could tell the truth and he didn't.
    Maybe in if this carried like the book, it will become another noir drama. But I also do feel glad they didn't. It is more relatable like that.

  • @Lyrisia
    @Lyrisia Před 3 lety +14

    Wow already thought ZCY was quite manipulative in the drama (especially towards the end) but book!ZCY is on another level oO I understand better now why he was writing a diary. I was thinking at that time that it was foolish of him but well... to think it was a crazy scheme in the making. I honestly think the original on screen would have been way too disturbing. The drama was already quite creepy...

  • @disappearintothesea
    @disappearintothesea Před 4 lety +12

    jeffery dahmer and timothy mcveigh were brilliant kids growing up and look what they did. this was a great series to watch. the character of CY was smart, innocent, and manipulative. the scene where he found his dad's tape recorder as they were eating dessert was what terrified me and made me realize what he was capable of. i was upset and frustrated why a father would record his own kid; i was waiting for CY to scream and shout but then his reaction was completely opposite, he strayed the conversation down to memory lane and then i knew. talk about psychological profiling!

  • @jeepeeboo951
    @jeepeeboo951 Před 4 lety +45

    I have just finished watching the show. It was an unsettling watch - like a bad dream where anything that can possibly go wrong does. If I had not known about the changes made to original story in book, I would have thought ‘The Sad Kids’ the more appropriate title. Their lives & actions were already doomed by their circumstances. After hearing about the book, I definitely prefer the drama version despite some of its ambiguity. I’d like to think there is always room for optimism and personally, the only way I can sleep easy after this nightmare of a drama, is to wholeheartedly welcome the fairytale end. After all, YL in clean clothes could just mean he’s now got a home & a guardian. And they did mention PP & her brother was a match for surgery to go ahead. But the big niggling factor remains the letter PP writes about not telling YL what actually happened on the 5th floor that day... I’ll just not dwell on that 😅. Thanks Avenue X, I look forward to your videos every week 😍.

    • @grace-fd8ps
      @grace-fd8ps Před 4 lety +2

      If u like these types of shows, I recommend watching series of unfortunate events 😌😌

    • @MsAntibeauty
      @MsAntibeauty Před 4 lety +9

      The night after Zhu Jing Jing died, ZCY got epitaksis and then cleaning his bloody hand..
      And the ending how ZCY mother's act like she scared about his son reaction like ZCY flat expression washing his shoes..

    • @ruthalexander3140
      @ruthalexander3140 Před 3 lety +1

      @@grace-fd8ps haha a series of unfortunate events was more on the comedic side as well so it had a balance even tho it was very unfortunate for the kids

    • @tsuyoi-hikari
      @tsuyoi-hikari Před 2 lety +2

      The drama did not have a happy end. They just masked the happy end (thats the brilliance of the whole thing):
      - Pupu, Yan Liang & Police Chen are dead. The obvious clue is that Pupu never shown again after she passed out from asthma and Yan Liang & Police Chen are only in situations that no one can see them. Yan Liang is the most obvious one since when he made the entrance with all the light at the assembly, no one even look back and notice that he is there. And Chaoyang also looks guilty when he sees him for some reasons which do not make sense at all since everything has ended with a fairy tell ending. And also, when Yan Liang blew the whistle at the dance park, no one look at him except Police Chen which shows that he is dead as well.
      - Chaoyang had a hand in JingJing's fall. The most obvious clue is Pupu's letter at the end. He told Chaoyang to tell the truth to finally make a new start and the secret is only between her and him. And she even told him that she didnt even tell Yan Liang about the secret. But we all know that Yan Liang did know about the situation of how JingJing fell and commented that it is not their fault since she fell on her own -- which proves JingJing's fall on her own is after all A LIE since the real ~secret~ is only between Chaoyang and Pupu. Plus, the most damning thing of all on how when Chaoyang told the Police where JingJing fall at the end -- he looks down the window and at the exact moment, we can hear a girl's voice asking for help followed later by a thud sound...... All of this finally explained Chaoyang's questionable behaviors throughout the drama when people accuse him of JingJing's fall -- because in all of that scene, he looks guilty and never defended himself and now, I finally get it.
      - Why all of the theories above is true? Because there is no way in hell that Chaoyang is left unpunished and managed to live a normal life as a student since after all he did the blackmail crime -- so he will be sent to juve for that. And, money stole from blackmail CANNOT be used to treat patient (Xie's cancer) which proves that Pupu, Yan Liang and the Detective Chen died that is why Chaoyang managed to live the normal life again without any punishments.
      - And the biggest clue of all is the intro in the beginning of each episode. The animation shows that Chaoyang is left alone at the end thus cemented that the other dies.

  • @perspectives.with.andrea
    @perspectives.with.andrea Před 3 lety +43

    It might just be me but whenever Pupu speaks in the drama, it just seems like she was manipulating them. She's really good at playing with emotions and uses sympathy to manipulate CY and YL to do something for her. Like she knows exactly what she's doing. The way she smiles and gazes just creeps me out for some reason.

    • @florencelaw1122
      @florencelaw1122 Před 2 lety +2

      Yes, I had the exact feeling as well even while watching the series. Pupu did not seem normal to me at all.

  • @alefreinar7569
    @alefreinar7569 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you so much for your review and this comparative about the drama and the book. It was like oooh yes, I thought that! or now I understand why I´d noticed that or thought that this detail was weird. I really love your reviews, go on in this way and thank you for your hard work

  • @hollywooddarling
    @hollywooddarling Před 4 lety +30

    Now that I've finished the drama, I definitely like the drama more than what you've described of the book. I think the book's story seems just to be "people are dark and evil, even kids", whereas I feel that the drama has a lot more interesting/complex themes going on, the chief one being "do you want to believe the truth, or the fairytale?", aka deception (deceiving yourself- Zhang Dongsheng and his failed marriage, and deceiving others- Zhang Dongsheng pretending to be a good person) and showing ambiguity in the characters and the situations.

  • @asc642
    @asc642 Před 4 lety +9

    This definitely was the masterpiece of 2020 for me. Now I’m gonna look forward to reading the book. Thank you for your info

  • @glowinkl
    @glowinkl Před 4 lety +10

    I watched both in Chinese & with the English (subtitles ) and conclude it’s better WITH Chinese subtitles too as some words were not audible. The English translation was also different and not so precise.
    Overall the show came across as cleverly weaved together and was able to sustain the mystery and intrigue.
    The last 2 part did almost become some bad massacre story but it was saved from being too overdone because of the excellent acting by the various actors and how the scenes was done. It was not gratuitous killing. But very close to it ;)
    The drama version had a nice rhythm to it. It had contrasts for the characters , good / nice/ warmth/ kind VS bad/evil /cold/ merciless. Overall a nice balance. If the book was all dark and single toned it would have been difficult to digest .
    THE ACTING BY ALL WAS JUST AMAZING ! ( maybe except YLiang’s mentally disturbed Dad )
    2 things left me a little confused 1) at the wife’s cousins celebration dinner , when in the toilet ZDSheng was washing his face and there was a modern soap dispenser near sink - small detail but it ruined an otherwise well created “Period“ set. 2) the fly in the CYang’s dessert - what was the meaning ? Was that detail in the book ?
    When CYang’s dad discovered his bag was unzipped twice , what do you think it meant ? I thought despite him realising CYang discovered the recording , Dad still brought him out and became even closer because he saw it as CYang wanting to be closer even though in a manipulative way . Any thoughts on this ?
    As for PuPu , you say she was portrayed As a nasty girl. In drama she was the common denominator as the bearer of bad luck . She was the root of much of the evil that caused the evil things to kickstart.

    • @LindaTran88
      @LindaTran88 Před 3 lety

      What do you mean by modern soap dispenser?

  • @Red-pv7kx
    @Red-pv7kx Před 3 lety +1

    Keep up the work! I’m not Chinese but my girlfriend is. We love shows like this and it’s easier to have a point of reference that is in English, considering that it can be quite exhausting to constantly translate and read.
    Thank you!

  • @alexandravas.3131
    @alexandravas.3131 Před 2 lety

    Thank you very much for making these videos about the series.

  • @dancingprotein
    @dancingprotein Před 4 lety +17

    After hearing this I'm more interested in the book version. The TV version started off really strong but I feel began lagging in later episodes. The overall tone felt a little odd and strange towards the end. It started going haywire after the wife's gangster brother came into the scene. I couldn't stand him because he was such a badly written character, used as a tool to create more drama. At times i feel like things were teetering off to darker avenues (which now I learn in the books they did), but the characters stayed in limbo and didn't really develop to their full potential. I might have to check out the book because it seems like they ventured into really interesting aspects of human nature that is closer to reality.

  • @kubare21
    @kubare21 Před 4 lety +18

    The book version is dark but wouldn't mind seeing it if done brilliantly. British & American do dark stories well. Loved the drama too. It was bloody awesome.

    • @hollywooddarling
      @hollywooddarling Před 4 lety +12

      I actually think British & Americans don't know how to do dark stories well. They often think that dark = edgy/realistic and lack nuance at all. They would for sure love the original novel.

    • @carla.iulia22
      @carla.iulia22 Před 3 lety +1

      The Chinese Production could have done a much darker version but if you do it in China it will get censored and possibly suspended right away. They have strict rules regarding film making so they can't show every brilliant idea that come to their minds .

  • @labladylolo
    @labladylolo Před rokem +1

    Just watched all your vids on The Bad Kids immediately after finishing the drama. I know, I’m three years late lol but I had played a horror game based on it - also called The Bad Kids - and it’s interpretation is VERY interesting in comparison to the drama! I highly suggest playing the game or watching a gameplay of it 😊
    Anyways, I love both versions and while it seems very dark I’d love to give the book a read~

  • @teresatsang5200
    @teresatsang5200 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for this analysis. I am currently watching it now. Btw. Your efforts are not wasted I have watched all your reviews and I find them to be correct and concise. Keep up the good work

  • @AlexAlex-mr5wk
    @AlexAlex-mr5wk Před 3 lety

    ive just discovered your channel and its really helping me understand the drama more. My chinese is so bad that i had to ask my sister at the end of each episode LOL

  • @user-sx9xd3ry3j
    @user-sx9xd3ry3j Před 4 lety

    I appreciate that you've done pretty well at the set-up of vocabularies(especially the flexible word using such as 'wrong' as a verb), it's very useful for me (a chinese student in Germany for 5 years) to bring back my English. I like your fluent and natrual English (I'm tired of English reading comprehension). It would be better if you can put more scenes from the drama. Appreciate your hard working :)

  • @Gypsy-Wind
    @Gypsy-Wind Před 4 lety +9

    I'm certainly putting this on my "watch next" list!

    • @pengdubit
      @pengdubit Před 4 lety +1

      Seriously.... this is interesting

  • @urbanpoet5894
    @urbanpoet5894 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you very much for your hard work,辛苦了。Just finished watching the drama. It is really impressive. Even the plot line of the story keeps you out of breath while watching, often the weak spot in many chinese dramas. Just the last episode left me a little confused, especially the faith of Púpu. I was thinking about trying to read the book challenging my chinese to the edge, but I think you scared me out of it;-)

  • @karolalpha
    @karolalpha Před 4 lety +4

    I thought the drama was pretty dark, already. Maybe it's better they decided to stir the plot in a more positive way. Thank you for these two videos, they were really interesting.

  • @kechoify
    @kechoify Před 4 lety +3

    Aha! I am glad they spiced it less than the book for me to be able to finish watching it. As I am more in to sweer-vanila kind of drama than hot-spicy.

  • @rafaela00002
    @rafaela00002 Před 4 lety +2

    It's so interesting to see the differences between novel and drama, I personally prefer the lighter version of the drama but I'm also glad to know both versions exist (I'm also now curious about the book)

  • @lilyTlily
    @lilyTlily Před 4 lety +5

    Wow, first to comment. After your description of the book, I definitely prefer the drama version and not the book which make the kids so dark. The drama is brilliant and I may rewatch it now that there is English subs as well to catch the details that I may have missed out in your previous video. The drama seems to be set in Guangzhou or some place where the dialect is Cantonese. Did they mention the actual location in the book? Thanks for making this video. Really appreciate it. Makes drama watching more interactive and fun.

    • @Kitty-xv5mw
      @Kitty-xv5mw Před 4 lety +2

      The drama setting is in Guang Xi - Nan Ning. I watched it on the telly (TV) with my parents and in one of the episode where they were in the fish markets my dad had noticed the chinese character "Guang" on one of the cars number plates which means that the setting is in Nan Ning the Capital City of the Province Guang Xi where there is quite alot of Cantonese migrants from Guang Dong. Hope this answers your question. 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

    • @LindaTran88
      @LindaTran88 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Kitty-xv5mw ah. It explains some of the Cantonese music played in background and some of the dialect spoken at some points.

  • @kazuh7140
    @kazuh7140 Před 4 lety

    Lovely white top! You look amazing in this.

  • @shinnizle46
    @shinnizle46 Před 3 lety +1

    wow I thought the drama was emotionally consuming already but the book, wow, it's unbelievably really really dark.. Who would've read something dark like that 😅thank you so much for making the comparison..

  • @carolinehutton892
    @carolinehutton892 Před 2 lety

    These videos on The Bad Kids are fantastic! Do you make them in Chinese as well by any chance? I am tutoring a Chinese student and we have both watched this show and love to chat with each other about it. I think she’d love your videos but wouldn’t understand them in English yet. We’re working on it though!

  • @frostflower2212
    @frostflower2212 Před 2 lety +1

    I prefer book version. The dark elements are more mindblowing. And it will make the drama is more impressive.

  • @funkystyle7249
    @funkystyle7249 Před 6 měsíci

    Would like to read this book, any possible way to do so?
    I think Korea could adapt this book and put on OTT series, they have done series like The King Of Pigs.

  • @ping0
    @ping0 Před 3 lety

    late on the boat, but I am glad I watched this drama! Thank you for this vid, I do prefer the drama better. THe novel just seems too dark for me.

  • @artoutbreak1
    @artoutbreak1 Před 4 lety

    I saw your name in the July 25th issue of The Economist

  • @ingwoo861
    @ingwoo861 Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks for sharing the differences. I found it puzzling in the drama that the police actually allowed Yan Liang to use the 300k for Xin Xin's surgery after finding out the truth LOL. They needed to work more on that plot point.

    • @kuku8846
      @kuku8846 Před 3 lety +1

      Yan Liang mentions to his new guardian and former officer Chen that he'd pay him back, so I assumed the money was arranged in some other way maybe and Zhang Dongsheng's offering was actually confiscated. It is true though that there's still questions even then, like how that money could've been arranged so quickly. Maybe that's just another hint that Yan Liang and Pupu and the others aren't really alive anymore after all?

    • @LindaTran88
      @LindaTran88 Před 3 lety +3

      Another interpretation for the ending is that they are actually dead.

    • @ilikepineappleonpizza4257
      @ilikepineappleonpizza4257 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Well they’re all dead by the end. So… that’s probably why that plot point seemed to not make sense.

  • @lamusiquefanatique
    @lamusiquefanatique Před 2 lety +1

    Hmm interesting. When the diary showed up in the drama, I was wondering why he would leave evidence behind.

  • @natn41r
    @natn41r Před 3 lety +5

    Now i know why the drama kept talking about Descartes. The drama is the "fairy tale", the novel is the real version. I think in this case I prefer reality to fairy tales. I think the novel's plot is more dramatic. The TV show's main characters (the kids) do not have much depth.

  • @crab7564
    @crab7564 Před 4 lety +1

    I really want to watch this drama, where can I watch it with English subs?

  • @savante76
    @savante76 Před 4 lety +1

    There's a remake of a local South East Asian drama called Little Nyonya done by the iQiYi network. Not sure about the series yet but it should be worth a look to see the cultures and traditions here in Malaysian and Singapore.

    • @ruthalexander3140
      @ruthalexander3140 Před 3 lety

      I watched it and I loved it! Infact that's the best mute and deaf acting I've seen so far even compared to nini in love and destiny

  • @tsuyoi-hikari
    @tsuyoi-hikari Před 2 lety

    All I have to say is that how on earth this drama passed CCP's censorship? 'The Bad Kid' indeed won at the end and the clues are everywhere to show this. On the surface, they showed us it was after all a happy ending for everyone and the bad guy is punished but all the hidden clues are shown the opposite which make this drama is one of the most brilliant story I have ever had the honour of watching.
    I definitely prefers the drama version since the drama shows all the 3 kids are good kids and made you root for them -- until you watch the ending scene which totally blew your mind that all your sympathy is just wrongly directed to the wrong person. Thats the brilliance of it all, how the storytelling & directing managed to fool you and then the plot twist happened which make everything more surprising and unbelievable. Whereas in the novel you know from the get go that they are bad kids thus no surprising on how everything turned out..

  • @Qiq-og6ms
    @Qiq-og6ms Před 4 lety

    Someone tells me where to watch the show pleaseeeee I can’t find it!! 😭😭😭

  • @anna-xf5jk
    @anna-xf5jk Před 4 lety +1

    who were all the kids in the end of the series

    • @ruthalexander3140
      @ruthalexander3140 Před 3 lety +1

      Exactly!

    • @kuku8846
      @kuku8846 Před 3 lety +2

      You mean the old photos in the end credits? Most likely childhood photos they gathered of the crew that worked on the show.

  • @florencelaw1122
    @florencelaw1122 Před 2 lety

    I really begin to think this drama series is the best Asian drama I have ever watched. I mean how many anti-hero kid protagonist we can find these days?! The Long Night is a close second.
    Coming from a viewer who usually prefer cinema and extremely picky with what she watches :D

  • @lamusiquefanatique
    @lamusiquefanatique Před 2 lety

    The whole Yan Liang and Lao Chen thing with the crime story universe really confused me. 🤔

  • @ronzbake7006
    @ronzbake7006 Před 4 lety +5

    I think the drama hinted that there is no sick brother because

    • @ronzbake7006
      @ronzbake7006 Před 4 lety +12

      Because when Pupu sings, the parents and little brother were also bathed in that surreal light

    • @avantikapathania1363
      @avantikapathania1363 Před 2 lety

      intresting..

  • @TylPhumin
    @TylPhumin Před 4 lety +2

    hmh i didn't see the drama yet or anything but wut i've heared so far (up to 6:31 ) it feels like similar concept to that movie i once saw called "The good son", where the "bad kid" is played by the same guy as "kevin alone at home" - i remember me being rather young, and knowing him to be usually in comedies i've watched it, until i've realized it was a psycho thriller XD haha

  • @kaimm1080
    @kaimm1080 Před 3 lety

    I watched the drama, and what I've heard it sounds I would prefer the book version, it's darker, messy and horrible with horrible people including kids and... I really like dark stuff? But I like the drama take on the novel, dark stuff doesn't translate well on screen with living people acting it so I'm happy with the drama take.

  • @pecklanang9066
    @pecklanang9066 Před 4 lety

    Yes yes yes, stay away from bad kids..... Thank you so much 👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @luizagustavovnasalome

    I was looking for this video for so long😭 why is it called TBD? Shouldn't it be TBK?

  • @1Asian_Badass
    @1Asian_Badass Před 4 lety +7

    Wow! After watching your 3 videos regarding this film I would have to opine that, except for the basic premise and characters, this film is barely the same story as the book. The film makes the kids into brave, somewhat heroic, characters albeit with some stupid and irrational behaviors that could be passed off as being a consequence of immaturity; but in the book, CY is truly evil and the other two do not sound very likeable or sympathetic at all. In the film, pretty much all of the evilness is cast on to ZDS - - he is the killer of every character in the film whereas in the book, the actual murderer is the boy. This, to me, makes the film and the book two completely different stories. In the book, ZDS and the other characters are the victims of CY who is the true evil; in the film CY is portrayed as a flawed hero. That is a complete upending of the novel to the point that they are not the same story (to me). In the film, I was rooting for the kids but from what you have revealed regarding the book, I would have no sympathy for them whatsoever. The film actually makes us root for the novel's murderer (CY) by portraying him completely opposite of what he is (I just thought he was an irritatingly stupid fool). The film's CY is a reluctant hero; the book's CY is a psychopathic serial-killer in the making. In the film, justice is served; in the book, evil triumphs and lives on. The two just seem to be complete opposites in every way, therefore, to me, I cannot see this as a good interpretation of the novel per se but as a stand-alone film story, I think it was very good.
    Story-wise, I prefer the film because it gives us some characters that seem worth rooting for. If the film had stayed true to the book, I do not think I could have sat through it. It would have been far too dark and crime thrillers need someone you can root for. This book's character is like the character from "The Bad Seed" on steroids - - the notion that a child could be so inherently evil is disturbing to say the least.
    Thank you for the great efforts you made in making these analyses of this drama. They were highly informative and really added to my appreciation of this drama. I consider your erudite reviews of dramas to be the best on CZcams and always look forward to your views and reviews.

  • @CaroleMcDonnell
    @CaroleMcDonnell Před 4 lety +3

    The writer in me dislikes adaptations that change stories drastically, but the writer in me is also aware that the book probably would not be on air if the changes hadn't been made. As long as the book exists, the writer's complete voice is still being heard.And even if folks only see the drama, some of the writer's truth is still being voiced. Hopefully, those who love the drama will seek the book out. I don't like things that are too dark but are these changes made in order to protect the idea of patriarchy and the innocence of children? Why not show that the father truly didn't love his son? Why not show that children can be evil? I don't like protecting societal myths. The "do you want the truth or do you waht the fairytale? questions reminds me of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and its wishfulfillment ending. Do we want the truth? Or do we want the myth that makes us feel happy? Children cannot be anchored in evil from a young age, fathers will always love their children. Sociopathy cannot begin early and kids wouldn't betray each other. I'm glad the adaptation tries to honor the book in some ways, even if sneakily. I do wonder if the filmmakers would have adapted the book more faithfully if he censors weren't in the picture. I'm just hoping the universe being created will ultimately speak the writer's primary truths and will work in spite of the changes. Thanks for your commentary on this show.

    • @linnazhu3083
      @linnazhu3083 Před 4 lety +5

      Carole McDonnell Carole McDonnell Though I like the blatancy of the novel, I feel like the characters are less structured than the ones portrayed in the drama. As opposed to the book characters who are the just bad all along, the drama introduces the multifaceted features of the characters, and how they developed throughout the plot. Like you, I wonder about what the drama might become of without the censorship. But, in a way, the censorship compelled the directing crew and the writer to lay details that suggest a multitude of possibilities, leaving the audience to decide the endings.

    • @onowhere2653
      @onowhere2653 Před 4 lety +7

      Well, the whole theme of the drama is- it's your choice to believe the story as a fairy tale or cruel reality. At first glance, the kids in the drama don't seem completely evil, especially Pupu, just look at her innocent puppy eyes ...but the more you investigate the more chilling they get. There are so many implied subtle messages in the drama that they may be difficult for non-Chinese audience to understand. The drama doesn't really show any abrasive behaviors of the characters when they are not involved in violent scenes. The book sounds straightforward, whereas the drama leaves the audience plenty of room for interpretation. The drama is like a nicely packaged can of worms. You can choose to enjoy the packaging as it is, or rip it apart to open the can. From a storytelling point of view, the drama is more creative.

    • @hollywooddarling
      @hollywooddarling Před 4 lety

      @@onowhere2653 Exactly this.

    • @federicacostantini6756
      @federicacostantini6756 Před 4 lety +1

      @@onowhere2653 what do you think are some of those subtle messages that may difficult for a non-Chinese audience to understand?

  • @Helghast73
    @Helghast73 Před 4 lety +1

    🙉🙈 😂😂🤣

  • @glowinkl
    @glowinkl Před 4 lety

    So in your review here , you seem to contradict yourself by saying the drama was a watered down / palatable version of the book which would have been way too dark and likely more one dimensional since all were bad. The contradiction is the book was still dark , so it was not an issue of the “censors” But for commercial reasons and anglefor the drama. You need to get over the censorship thing. All films are censored the world over based on their values of the culture In question.

  • @glowinkl
    @glowinkl Před 4 lety

    First things : your fluency in English is not in question but perhaps does not sound so elegant especially when you use words like “shitty” or similar words. Substitutes like crap/ crappy even sounds a bit more palatable and definitely more elegant.
    Secondly : you’re fond of saying there’s “ censorship” in chinese drama or some storyline needs to be changed to pass through censors. Although it does exists in China, censorship is done everywhere in the World. That’s why there’s a ratings requirement and that determines what gets seen / released to which audience. You seem particularly harsh on Chinese practices. This is important as I presume you are targeting to a Western audience in your YT channel and western audiences concept of “ censorship” Is very different to the Chinese or even Asian understanding of it.
    In the reviews of BadKids You keep mentioning The application of book vs drama and that the drama producers had to make the story more optimistic to pass censors because “ in China they need to show society is a happy / positive light “ or words to that effect. I think you need to reflect on this statement and figure out if it’s your own biases that is at play here. After all, the drama and indeed the book was released. And the drama was as dark as ever. Instead I would suggest certain subject matters like child abuse , sexual or similar , would not have been given a general viewing rating AND that would not be a commercial/ sensible thing to do by the producers of the drama. So I propose it was for more commercial considerations to do what they did and not so much to please the “censors “ that you so frequently like to suggest. You ought to be more cognisant between the comprehension of such triggering words like censorship in the West v the East.
    Lastly in the haste in presenting your thoughts, You sometimes slur your words and thus makes it difficult to hear what you are saying. I realise time is a factor but then so is clarity and getting your points across clearly.
    Please take these constructively. So we all have a better understanding of everything to make this world a little bit kinder.

  • @no-es3ez
    @no-es3ez Před 2 lety

    i cant find the book.
    it is named 'Bad Child'? i looked Zijin Chen up and all i could find is "the untouched crime".
    do they only published that as a physical book exclusively in China or so?
    do you have any information about the online, english translated version of this book🥲 it sounds sooooo interesting and im eager to get to know Chao Yang in the novel.