Why I'm no longer a Kpop fan
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
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If you're wondering why the video ends abruptly it's because there was once again an error in exporting the video. I've spent literally days and hours working on this video and I really tried my best to prevent this from happening but in the end I just gave up and decided to just upload this video even though there is an error at the end. I really hope this doesn't happen again. 3 mins at the end of the video is just gone... I was talking about my favorite kpop groups and songs so I'm sorry if you were looking forward to hearing about that. It's all gone now... :(
Also, I got a new camera so the video and audio quality should be better. I also apologize for the wind noises. That's how it sounds in real life too. It's very windy where I live and I live in a very old apartment so the windows aren't too good and it sounds super loud and annoying whenever there is wind.
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If you're wondering why the video ends abruptly it's because there was once again an error in exporting the video. I've spent literally days and hours working on this video and I really tried my best to prevent this from happening but in the end I just gave up and decided to just upload this video even though there is an error at the end. I really hope this doesn't happen again. 3 mins at the end of the video is just gone... I was talking about my favorite kpop groups and songs so I'm sorry if you were looking forward to hearing about that. It's all gone now... :(
Also, I got a new camera so the video and audio quality should be better. I also apologize for the wind noises. That's how it sounds in real life too. It's very windy where I live and I live in a very old apartment so the windows aren't too good and it sounds super loud and annoying whenever there is wind.
Mhm! No problem!
Nice video overall!
i went through a similar phase with kpop
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No prob!!
But I think I will leave kpop once BTS disbands or goes to military. Truly speaking, none of the 4th gen except txt , gidle and dreamcatcher caught my eye . Ateez and itzy have great stage presence!! But like all other 4th gen , their music is loud . Out of all albums , only txt and stayC bsides are somewhat good!! I bought enhypen dilemma BCS of my sister's recommendation !!! Disappointing!!!! Such a bad album !!! She again recommend a stray kids album that had sold a million copies. So I checked it out on Spotify first !! Just one good song !! That too a bside . Domino . When I asked her , why had she recommended such bad albums?? She asked me if I had checked the photo book 😅. So fans buy albums just for a photo book . This is the fans of 4th gen !!! 😔
I'm 16 and as much as people like to blame young fans for the toxicity due to their lack of comprehension skills, I enjoy it for what it is: just music, I don't really care to watch every vlog and stay up all night to stream music videos. I'll watch the videos when I feel like every once in a while but I don't feel the need to consume every content they put out
Yes same for me. I just listen to Spotify a lot cuz kpop helps me to study
Same
i never really got the part about staying up all night to stream an mv tbh, its like they dont care about the song quality, they only care about views
I've just came to listen to their music
@@y2klvv exactly
Actually I've been a kpop fan for 6 yrs still i am & just recently I'm embarrassed in myself for simping this hard for humans & seeing how creepy it has been 💀...like if they drink water fans edit it in a hot way & people be like "😩i wish to be a water bottle"
Like man he/she just drank water wtf💀
those comments saying "i googled how to be a water bottle" 💀💀
This is true!!!
Thats what happen when an industry its obsessed with visuals. They attract simps instead of those who actually come for the music
Yeah I agree I've been addicted to Kpop for a long time. It took over my life in some ways.
Right
As a kpop stan, I agree with your points. I think it's important to be aware of what goes on behind the scenes but to still support our faves bc they worked so hard to get to where they are and the least we can do is show them love. Great video as always Zezre!!
yeah
Not when we're talking about plagiarism
The problem is people start idolising Idols and defend them even though they're in the wrong (most of the time racist). I used to love kpop, but once I dug further into kpop, it put me off kpop.
Tbh there's alot of blackfishing and racism in the kpop community, and I don't think anyone has talk about it especially kpop beauty standards!!.
Wait there's black fishing in K-pop? never saw it before
@@teddies6549 some fans say Jessie is doing blackfishing
@@namu4380 isn't she a natural tan?
@@teddies6549 yes she is naturally tan but people are saying that if you compare her past pictures to rn , u will notice that her skin tends to look much more darker , also one black youtuber pointed out that she does blaccent a lot ...just watch a video of Adeola Ash ..she has explained well .
the kpop industry is built from and influenced by the black american culture, it’s ironic how some idols are racist yet they profit off of black culture
It just really upsets me that Kpop isn't about music anymore, a lot of newer groups only focus on the choreos and visuals. I used to like it because of the music, but I guess I really only listen to other music genres in Korean but Kpop, that's the whole reason I don't like BTS anymore, the thing is that it's happening in the whole industry. Why do people keep treating Kpop as something else? IT'S JUST MUSIC, at least that's what it should be... Also the capitalistic pithole it truely is and all of the problems you listed, which are a lot.
i thought the same but i assure there's a lot of good music going around in 4th gen. i'm not trying to convince you to be kpop stan or anything but i've seen people say the music is not good anymore and while i agree the amount of mediocrity has increased, there is still just as much creative and amazing works as 3rd gen! and there really are many groups that are not just about choreos and visuals
@@scribblemonster370 Ofc I know that, SKZ is one of my favorite groups right now, and I've seen really nice music...but that doesn't mean that the majority aren't giving priority to visuals and other (not so important) things, with Tiktok, most groups do really trendy and short lived songs to go viral for 5 minutes and then be forgotten, instead of making good music that'll be iconic even years after!
@@momoonkissed yeah but it would be far fetched to say new groups 'only' focus on visuals. idk how much of underrated artists you listen to but there are plethora of artists that are producing amazing music. if your opinion is based on just the fraction of kpop groups that are famous then its ill informed. if you want i can even list some of my favorite bands that are underrated af
@@scribblemonster370 Babe, you're proving my point, some of the most famous groups don't have good music, and the ones that deserve more support and fame aren't that big because fans don't CARE about the music that much, they prefer nice visuals and good choreos, which is perfectly okay! I totally understand that POV, but it's just not my priority!
@@momoonkissed but your point was that kpop only lookd at visuals these days. which isn't true. what other fans want and gets famous is a different ordeal and shouldn't affect your listening when there already are groups that are putting out good music. the music is there, you can always deviate from mega famous names if you want it. that's my point
Honestly it's great that you became aware of all these issues at a young age. I wish I read about parasocial interaction and celebrity worship syndrome sooner to not fall into the kpop hole. I was an ARMY for 4 years, I unstanned in 2020 and I genuinely regret being a fan. I don't regret enjoying the music, I regret spending my time online on people that don't even know me as an individual instead of going outside and living my own life and not relating my identity and life to some dudes. You don't really realize how far it goes and how deep can your obsession get until you read the psychology behind it. If I had read about that sooner and worried about raising my own self esteem I don't think I would have become an ARMY.
the fact that kpop stans defend their favs from racism, colorisml, cultural appropriation because apparently they "didn't know what they were doing 🥺", like no babes they're 20 to 30 years old, there's information around them that they could just research, stop embarrassing yourself
When people say “they didn’t know what they were doing” I cry.
You have to understand that korean idols who grew up in korea are never going to be as 'woke' as international fans expect them to be. Korea is a deeply conservative society, and it is extremely homogeneous. They are not taught about things like colorism and cultural appropriation in school, these are things that have a very low level of awareness in korean society in general. Unless an idol speaks fluent english it is highly unlikely they would ever come into contact with concepts that international fans always bring up like colorism, fat phobia, cultural appropriation etc. In asian society as a whole, calling people dark and fat etc is simply not seen as problematic, they just see it as being honest and these beauty standards are literally thousands of years old. And as for cultural appropriation, most koreans do not understand what that is lol. Outside of america, the vast majority of people actually love it when foreigners take part in their culture, as long as they do it respectfully, as it makes them feel proud. This american concept of cultural appropriation is completely bizarre to them
@@hi-ve1cw Not Korean, but Asian kids do know about colorism and all those other stuff, and my country is way less westernized than Kpop
@@The_Rusalka the asian countries with more awareness of colorism are the ones that suffer from it the most, like india for example. Because lots of indians, especially south indians, have very dark skin they are very aware of the discrimination they face from their lighter skinned indian counterparts. Same as southeast asia, there's a wider diversity of skin colors in those countries so colorism is more apparent. Whereas most koreans are a light to medium skin tone, so most never face colorism and therefore don't understand it. Notice that the rare idols who have darker skin, like Kai from exo, who often get mocked for it, are always the ones standing up against colorism and praising darker skin tones. Whereas the average korean has a mindset that paler=prettier and they never question that because it's been their beauty standard for thousands of years and they've never experienced colorism directed negatively at themself
@@hi-ve1cw doesn't make it right.
There's so much kpop stans coming for you💀 stay safe bby
IK LIKE ITS HER OPONION
no ones coming after her.. 😭
Where? Are they here?
@@magicminie fr
No one is coming for her lmao
To all fangirls/boys. You can always support a group without having to know every detail about their day, watch their lives, videos. Without knowing all their songs and having to buy everything they sell. You can always stan but don't try to fall on the trap of their business. It's all about money. After 7 years, I already have come to my senses. I'd want to stop supporting someone else's dream and start building the dream life of my own.
You are correct. A lot of people think if you don't have their merchandise and you don't watch every single Vlive they do you are not a real fan. You are still a fan if you enjoy their music.
ngl im a huge kpop fan, but i just dont interact with the fandom, i dont really read news articles about scandals, etc.i just just stan groups bcs i like their songs and thats it
damn same, but i wouldn’t really call myself a huge fan since i recently just got into it.
@@tsuihozaki9788 how you liking it so far just curious?
Same here, kpop is fun tbh but the stan culture ruins it.. i'm an army but haven't told anyone cuz i don't wanna indulge myself in any fandom activity 😂
@@sparkle2848 it’s addicting so far haha (the genre itself i meant) god i love bg songs
@@tsuihozaki9788 SAME. Just try avoid the toxic fan culture overall and fan wars . Also don’t allow Kpop to consume your whole life and become your source of happiness. BUT IM GLAD YOUR LIKING IT . Also gg songs are great to . REPLY IF U WANT SONG RECOMMENDATIONS 😂
I was a kpop stan in december 2019 until, I think, October 2020.
I stopped being a kpop stan because I felt like I was too attached to it, and it almost became the whole purpose of my life, literally just being obsessive over the music & the groups, so when I felt like it became toxic for me, I decided to leave the fandoms.
Now I still listen to some songs, and I’m still an army from then until now, but I’m not gonna stan any other groups other than BTS because I truly think I have no time for that (I don’t even watch all of bts’s content😭).
I don’t think anyone will actually read this comment-
Edit 2: sorry if my English isn’t so good, not my native language🥲
It’s ok ur English is good
We both are same
@@gwenmloveskpopandmore aww thanks
Same , mate . I was so frustrated with BTS , Twice and Skz , I decided to leave Kpop . I stopped watching or hearing kpop for 2 months. But then I bought Freeze album. And it literally shocked me . After MOTS 7, I finally got to hear a good album. It brought me back to Kpop. Now I Stan Txt which has the most disrespected Hyung , the Strongest (in strength) main vocalist , an amazing music bank ex-mc , A visual who wants to be a famous artist and a clueless maknae .😂😂😂😂
@@walkrunfly..........2438 well that’s really cool! I’m happy for u that u finally found good music that you can enjoy :)
Im Korean, I hate Kpop. Koreans don't look like Kpop stars. Don't waste your time with all these Kpop boybands, just chase your dreams and do what you want to do.
Kpop developed an unhealthy culture in our Country, unrealistic Beauty standards, Crazy situations etc etc.
Trust me you will be disappointed when u come to S.Korea because believe me, if you don't speak Korean, you will suffer there.
I love my country but I hate where its going.
Yeah don’t watch these fools. Watch chess players because they actually are good and fun. No racism, no cringey moments, or no toxic fans. Just watch something else besides them.
I'm not from Korea but it seems like our countries switched. I'm from the Philippines, a country well known to be a Kpop lover and almost everyone I know listens to kpop and you're quite a weirdo if you don't do so, every Korean trend and standard becomes a trend here too, and me who doesn't really show that big of an interest or knowledge to anything Kpop my life is living hell and the toxicness is unbearable and unbelievable. A lot of people seems to know the biography of their idols more than our heroes and culture here, it's quite sad but our Country is probably the only country in the world who loves and cares about Kpop and Other Country's culture more than we do. I too, don't like where my country is heading
@@user-qk3sm5sz2x here, in romania if you like kpop they are gonna call you “gay” (thinking that’s an insult) and are most probably gonna make fun of you. but at least the good part is that the lesser the fans are, the lesser the toxicity
@@ch4eriiix248 wow, here in Canada it's in the middle. It's normal to like Kpop, but not super common. (Maybe it's just because people in my school are nice and not judgy but that's my experience)
Yes! I totally agree. Been a fangirl for years. I love K-pop groups but I'm not blinded by the truth. I'm not delusional as well. You will really get to a point where you'll have enough. Enough of delusions for them. It's all business and money.
I grew out from being a big kpop stan that follows literally every news in kpop, to only listening to the music
Seriously all the scandals are so stressful and scares tf out of me
I'm a girl group stan and still love them
But i really have to agree with every single word you said
I only stan BTS and TXT.
same
@@cygnusablackhole74 who
@@skylerk126 The most popular band in the world and their cousins
@@cygnusablackhole74 asked.
Since I got into kpop in late 2018 I've begun to realize that kpop isn't really about the music. The kpop industry is like a pie and music is one piece of the pie. When you first get into it you think they are selling the music, but with they way they are promoted(comebacks variety shows, photoshoots, etc.) It is obvious that the idols are selling themselves. It's also why plastic surgery is so prevalent in kpop too. Many celebrities undergo that because looking a certain way plays into the role of perfection and selling that particular image that can help them become successful(because even if you're not that talented at least you have your looks which can take you far). Im not criticizing the genre, I'm just stating the facts. Kpop is moreso about image then anything else.
It's all about visuals, concept and entertainment
@@walkrunfly..........2438 Yes I would say it's all entertainment.
You're SOO right.
Because the fans made it that way over the years. 1st and 2nd gen idols weren't that concerned about looking "perfect". Fans started to become more obsessive to the point where they basically can control these idols and make and break their career in a second. Because of this, idols tend to listen to the fans and be as "obedient" as possible. I notice it's become worse with 4th gen
YES
Honestly every industry is problematic. We live in a capitalistic society. From the food we eat, clothes we wear, the movies we watch, the entertainment industry in general etc. It's more of a society problem. Everything we consume isn't black or white. Life's like that too. It’s not like the world is a pure fairytale as well.
One thing i really admire about kpop is the effort in production. The music is so diverse, the mvs and set design are stunning, the fashion, the performances, the album designs. There is so much to admire. The people who work behind the scenes and the idols who perform on stage work so hard to make the art and music that makes me happy thus it really shouldn't prevent me from liking it and supporting their work. Ofcourse being obsessive about your idols is unhealthy. But i can still love them from the work they do and admire and support them from there. Yes I'm aware about the problems and will draw a line when i need to.
If i stopped enjoying things just because of its problematic side, then I can never enjoy anything. So really just have fun with kpop
I think you're the person I agree most with
you just voiced out my thoughts, agreed 100%!!! as a kpop stan, I'm feeling mixed about this. I'm aware of the many negative sides of this industry but I can't stop myself from liking all those groups & soloists
yes, but Kpop is definitely the most problematic industry, at least in the beauty standards aspect, cause its not that common to hear about western singer on a 2 potatoes a day diet, but among Kpop idols this kind of behavior is really common. There is lots of problematic behaviors in the Kpop industry, it's concerning.
i will never understnd why people keep insisting that mysogyny is somehow a part of "dark side of kpop"...that is our society's problem,not a certain fandom thing. and overall saying a bad thing is happening and that's somehow because its kpop and not because its korea, a very conservative country? not like most countries in the world are like that rn?? people really point out an actual problem in our society and say "that's why i don't like kpop" like kpop created them..
a lot of these issues regarding misogyny is way prominent than in most if not all western countries. when it comes to the US, we are far more ahead when it comes to equality.
@@dollphine well im not in the us so its weird to me how surprised people from there are that most other countries are still conservative..
You know there's something wrong with kpop when 99% of the conversations happening around kpop aren't even about the music. It's always who is the best dancer, which idol dates who, voting, streaming, scandals, and of course "my favourite group is better than your favourite group and it gives me a weird ego boost so im going to keep saying it".
I feel like I have found maybe like 3-4 good kpop CZcamsrs in a decade of being a kpop fan. It’s so hard to find good analytical content that focuses on music, production, cinematography, etc. Regardless of the fans and industry, there’s so much work going into it from producers, cameramen, editors, choreographers, and the idols. There’s so much conversation to be had about the art of kpop, but go onto any music video comment section, and it’s 90% surface level idol worship and brags about how their group is the best cause they said so
I'm a kpop stan but really dislike how some fans can get really obsessive and possessive over their favs :/ Like yeah I get it, they're really attractive, super charming, make great music and are fun to watch but that doesn't mean that you make them their life!!
Moreover, these fans absolutely CANNOT handle the idea of their faves being wrong or problematic. And of course since we're on the topic of possessive and obsessive, we gotta talk abt seasseng fans, the ones that breach idols' privacy, harass them, stalk them and even go as far as committing crimes to get them to notice their existence. One of the major putt offs in kpop for me are these "fans".
btw, great vid, you made great points and i totally agree w you :) I actually subbed to you for your other content but was surprised to see that you talking abt kpop haha. All of your vids are really fun to watch, keep up the good work!!
One of the things that annoy me with Kpop fandoms is how they act like every song of every group is pure genius, innovative, amazing, never seen before masterpieces. It shows how no matter wha they do they are idolized to an extreme extent.
kpop rlly affected my life. i was 10 when i first listened to bts and 11 when i started "stanning" them. i started comparing myself to female kpop idols, i started starving in order to lose weight. and let me tell you, i was 40 kg at 147 cm and that was already underweight. i was so obsessed i even went so far as deciding my future career to be a kpop idol. i kept saying to myself "if you don't get skinny and pretty no one will like you" well, that phase is over for me. I'm turning 14 now, i gained weight and I'm still kind of insecure but way better than before.
happy for you girl you are at the same age as me and I can totally understand your problem hope everything is fine for you
@@anushkasharma5805 thank you so much
I don't consider myself a stan tbh, I'm just a casual listener of korean music. I don't stan anyone bc holding them up to that pedestal is weird af
Samee
As kpop stan, now days kpop sucks like I can barely remember some songs exist and so many groups are literally disappointing(just my opinion),and so many debuts are horrible the good example is O.O like wtf was that(again if you like it is okay)as someone who loves STICKER and stan groups like nct,skz,ateez this song was horrible in my opinion.also wtf is wrong with us?!?! Victimizing some idols, sending death treats, also why we can't learn from Suli,woojin, Jimin ect station?
Also I saw Some of us think that kpop is HAPPY,Are you blind? Suicide,scandels, depression, overworked idols(yeah I'm talking about Mark, he's literally in 4groups), hating on some idols because they are from other countries, open your eyes this is impossible to in a industry things like this doesn't happen. btw as someone who is here about five years please don't forget that you have life outside of kpop, It's okay to stream and support your fav but don't forget you have life outside of kpop
Also take care toxic ones gonna kill you^^
I KNOW RIGHT!
ikrr
Most girl groups are a dumpster fire in their quest to outdo each other with girl crush concept.
Even I don't like O.O
@@sana-cm7oc twice was the most disappointing when they changed genre from cute to girl crush, although they rocked it
I used to be a huge Army when I was about 13 (I'm 18 now) and as I got deeper in the kpop world, the more I hated it.
Some of the things that I hate about it is that many groups get a big fan base and people start stanning them hard even before they debut and release any song, just like literally any group from big companies and exactly like whats happening now with NMIXX. Their very first MV got MILLIONS of views in FEW HOURS just because of their "fans" though the song is literally trashy and has no good or even meaningful lyrics. It's quite similar to the situation of TXT, IVE, XDINARY HEROES... It's not about talent or actual good and meaningful music anymore, it's just about good advertisment and profit.
Another thing I hate is having to look perfect 24/7 and the insane beauty standards. Kpop fans don't actually care about the talent as much as they care about the looks, somebody had to say. Many of them would pick their bias in a group before they even get to know the group (ex: NMIXX stans) just because they look good. Also, the less good looking members/ the ones that arent the beauty standard will be called ugly eventhough they're very fine looking and talented (like ITZY's Chaeryeong, BTS's RM and Jhope... and they are all very good looking people).
And the list of similar things goes on but I think the comment is long enough so imma stop here.
absolutely agreed, people nowadays are just stanning for the visuals and not talent.
good points. although i'd like to point out that nmixx's debut mv got a lot of views within the day of release not because they have so many "blinded fans" but because nmixx is a girl group under jype. they're a huge company and their girl groups have a tendency to do well, hence the high expectations and high views.
I agree nmixx debut was trash
It's all about visuals
And txt songs are bop . Don't believe me , hear for yourself and help yourself out
Hi zezre
I was a kpop fan too, the reasons why I left were a lil more concerning: prostituti0n, idols sexually assaulted (even r4ped), international kpop fans kidnapped and more...
I would like to talk about this but I'm afraid of fans attacked me and called me liar
It's OK if yall don't believe me, I'm just exposing the things I've experienced
Please I'm intrested in knowing more.
🏃♀️
You literally left everyone curious now 🙁
Same!
I know that this if from 10 months ago but Im actually curious and willing to listen. I believe you.
I'm a survival too : )))) quitting my kpop and kdarama addiction was one of my best decisions. I hate it now!
me too
Same bestie
Same
Your choice no hate
Same
Yeah as a K-pop fan that’s just recently noticed my problem and is working on it, I can see and understand everything you’re talking about. I stopped stanning many groups and left fandoms, because of the obsession I would have, toxicity, and more stuff. I blame myself for being bored in quarantine lol, but that’s the mess i got myself into. Currently I only care about TXT and LOONA, but that doesn’t mean I’ll make my entire life about them too, even then I barely watch their content other than music videos and some vlogs when I have nothing going on in my life. My advice is just be a casual listener and don’t invest so much of your time on these groups and artists!
I do Stan kpop groups but they are not like my whole personality but I have seen so many people with crazy addiction to it and it was so refreshing to hear you talk about it , zezre! All your points were pretty valid tbh and it's your opinion so I don't see why people are attacking you. It's just an opinion lmao but God you are crazy good!
as a czennie, stay, basically who stans the "loud af, noisy, disgusting" (to be clarified, i love them) bands/music style (example: the real by ateez or sticker by nct 127) i am kind of offended but it's nice to be open minded. everyone has their own taste in music. and honestly k-pop is my entertainment source and not something i *could* ever prioritize more than education and my happiness.
just choose whatever you like lol without knowing what is yeonjun eating for breakfast or smth like that.
and the rest- go girl, you're spitting straight facts but be careful because i am 100% sure k-pop fans are going to come at you.
I've been a Kpop fan for the last 6 years (with some breaks) and only recently I started to get out of my KPOP FAN era... I was almost only watching Kpop related videos and same goes for the songs... like 4 months ago I thought that I was falling out of Kpop not being interested in Kpop songs and videos that much. turns out It was not me falling out of Kpop but me stopping to make my life KPOP. I just follow some of my fav groups comebacks and some of the contents I found fun
i became a kpop stan first in 2018, but till the start of 2019 i got so deep into it that i just... i was just so immersed in it. I wasn't a delulu koreaboo fan who went around giving people death threats but rather a stan who just watched kpop mvs, compilation videos all day long. I had no social life (not like i have any now either lmao), my grades were low, i was depressed, my parents hated what i had become and even my friend who introduced me to kpop was in shock. I started hating kpop then, and again in 2020 i became a stan and tbh im at that place again. It is so hard to just..... let go idk? like kpop is almost like an escape for me. I hate everything in my life and looking at idols makes me feel happy, which i rarely feel. Anyways don't get too deep into kpop lmao
Tldr; i got too much into kpop and now i regret it
im in a simile place like you right bow . BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET OUT OF IT TOGETHER ❤❤
same, it's like an on and off relationship for me. but i get lured back with the thinking of "just to see how they're doing", and then i get completely invested again. and same, i wasn't even a stan stan, i didn't use twt or anything for my ults, but it still happened to me. like i feel so much freer and myself (like i have more of a presence in my life?) without it but it's always my first form of escapism or just what i go to when i'm bored because it feeds my brain so well, and then only afterwards i notice its effects. i'm trying with you~
@@shezambreen2362 I feel you so muchhh. But if its a escape and it makes u happy don’t t feel to bad as long ur are happy. It’s just better to not to be to obsessed and involved in fan culture .
@@sparkle2848 right! but these days idk, it used to make me happy but now i think it just fills my boredom.. it feels like it’s slowly rotting my brain when i feed off it (i’m not saying that’s what kpop is for everyone it’s just what its become to be for me 😭) and i don’t really like being that dependent on it either. i don’t engage with other fans much but i absorb so much of the content that i don’t feel like i’m present in my life, idk like mindlessly passing life without living it because i’m so focused on them. and when i get off it i find more beauty in life, hobbies and have better relationships with the outside world. that’s just for me and we’re all different! it’s just when i’m really feeling like i’m living in my life but i get bored for a minute and check on them i get absorbed in their lives again, since they’re tailored to have exciting and interesting lives that keep us so engaged and hooked to them. i know lots of people can handle both, but for me i’m trying to transition off of it because i think it’s draining my limited time of things I can do in my youth rather than benefiting or making my life more interesting. ❤️
@@shezambreen2362 GO BE YOUUU THEN . But i do know what you mean i relate . ITS JUST KPOP CONTENT IS WAY TO ENTERTAINING AND ADDICTIVE 😭✋🏽.
As a k-pop stan myself I agree with all your point
I still don't understand why people think that being a k-pop fan means being obsessed with your "so called" ultimate group and defends them whenever they accused about something; these behaviors are toxic ◐▂◐
From my experience I've been lucky, as I never gets interest to all the drama, scandals, fanwars, ecc... I find them annoying
I listen k-pop song and stan few groups because I'm interested to them, but at the same time I try to balance out with other hobby (and obviously studying) 👀
I hope toxic people don't attack you, because everyone has their personal opinion and taste,
so thanks for being honest and clear in your explanation ^_^
Same! Found someone who exactly has my thoughts!!😓
Even tho i like kpop so much, someone had to speak abt it thank you
There are a lot of things that the Idols, fans did that made me no Longer like Kpop
1) Blackfishing
2)Racism
3)Saesang
4) The Toxic ass fans
5) Obsessive fans also
6)Cultural appropriation
7) Saying IT IS OKAY TO STAN SOMEONE WHOS A RAPIST,SEXIST...
8) Fatphobia .....Never gonna give this topic up
There is a lot more my country is having REALLY TOXIC FANS ....like a girl just said that she doesn't like BTS on Insta..
SHE GOT D*ATH THREATS , R*APE THREATS ........most of the fans are LITERALLY 11- 17 in my country.....and the Most shameful fact is that The idols have done really really disrespectful things towards mine culture and country and used and are still using our some aesthetic things for CLOUTS ..Ans the FANS SAID IT WAS OKAY I AM PROUD THAT MY COUNTRY IS GETTING RECOGNIZATION ......They used our religions verse just BECAUSE IT WAS ASETHETIC ....I . AM . DONE.WITH.THIS.INDUSTRY.
Soo ...There are people in reply section saying they aren't educated about it ..
So your saying that South Korea is living without Internet oMg I never knew
South Korea is a country which Does have Internet ...why don't they try to educate themselves just like how obsessive fans search about them for hours and hours
I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU AS A BLACK PERSON BECAUSE THEY USE OUR CULTURE AS AN AESTHETIC TOO AND THEIR FANS WILL DO ANYTHING TO DEFEND THEIR "PERFECT" IDOLS such as racism, threats and doxxing which is crazy these people are going crazy over some idols that doesn't even know they exist and making it their whole life and priority recently a new group released their debut trailer and the trailer was the group using black people struggles and sufferings/slavery and the holocaust as an aesthetic which is completely disrespectful and they haven't even debuted yet I just know this industry will die in the next few years
@@AnnieshaThorne I watched a video before about K-pop (the racism and culture appropriation they did) I watched both videos on other K-pop groups and BTS and ISTG I was so heartbroken because I’m black and I never knew they done this shit I felt betrayed and backstabbed I was so PISSED OFF especially with BTS I literally cried in anger to the fact I couldn’t look at them I lost some respect for K-pop and BTS but I still like BTS cause they stopped (ig)
( I don’t listen to BTS that much but I watch them for entertainment purposes lol and i don’t really listen to other K-pop groups like that)
And U know what bothers me they wouldn’t like it if someone culture appropriated off of there race or be racist towards them but it’s perfectly fine to do it to black people like wut? That just makes them look like HYPOCRITES
And also why is K-pop based off of black culture? They have there own culture
And also who is that group who used our struggles and suffering/ slavery and the holocaust cause that is just disgusting and disrespectful wtf I want to see that
( I tried to explain my pathetic waste of time paragraph as good as possible I’m not good at explaining things lol)
@@janelle121 the group is nine.i the teaser got deleted but you can search for it because there are many uploads of it and the group is getting alot of hate and people are telling them to disband even tho they have debuted yet and their teaser also looks like TXT runaway music video you can see the similarities
@@AnnieshaThorne Oh ok thx for letting me know :)
@@janelle121 no it's okay I understand what you're saying sorry I didn't reply earlier and yes I was heartbroken too because I never knew this stuff was racist and cultural appropriation until I got educated on it and was extremely disgusted with what the Kpop idols and the Kpop industry did and the fact their fans keep on blaming the stylists and the company is completely insane because the idols have a say in what they want to do and wear and most of them know English and are educated on this so they shouldn't know it's that they don't care and they're blatantly racist I've been Kpop fan since 2016 iwas obsessed with them but not as much now because after seeing what they all did I felt completely disrespected as a black person they made their industry off of our culture, want to be us and wear our hairstyles and dress like us but hate us at the same time and don't want to go through our daily struggles and the racism we deal with
Im a jpop fan and recently just started watching kpop groups and boi I was culture shocked of how problematic and delusionals the fandoms are (not all but a lot). Also this is just an opinion, the kpop world kinda scared me a bit tho, how Korea portrayed their idols with all these perfect standards amd being cancelled when not meeting the standard is kinda sad and disturbing at the same time. Korea is a very competitive country and the way most of them are actually liberated but close minded to the reality a bit about their idols is kinda ironic. It is suffocating sometimes but I have fun listening to their songs, I just rlly dont dive down the surface.
Omg literally me except I'm a fan of Pop. Exploring the Kpop world was something else 😳 I never knew there was such thing as a dating scandal, etc. Honestly, a new definition of toxicity sparked once I started to engage in Kpop music.
I'm a KPOP fan for 15 years now. I also lost interest a couple of times along those 12 years. In those times, I usually take a month break or until I miss the watching the contents(because in between those breaks I still listen to kpop songs).
One thing I hated the most is fanwars, just because it gets crazy. Kpop fans that only joined the fandom these past 5 years might have not known that fanwars was more brutal during 1st and 2nd gen era.
Next is the aegyo. Aegyo is already in their culture. When Seo Taiji and Boys were still active they sometimes would have to do this (but not as cringey as today's generation). So yeah there's nothing we can do about it. It's their culture, we're just fans, just watching. We don't have a right to complain about something that they've been doing EVEN BEFORE WE JOINED THE FANDOM. I'm not okay with aegyos(but if my bias does it I sometimes forget for a split second that I hate it.)
And lastly, KPOP fans complaining too much. It's okay to complain actually, but every ffing time there's always videos about their opinions that does makes sense, but sometimes it would be better to keep it to their selves to ponder. Before someone attacks me, I'm not pertaining to this video, I am talking about 'Who I think Will Flop This Year', 'Thos Idol is Priveleged and This One is Mistreated' and all that fucking BS.
I did not backread this so if there's any typos or grammatical error don't call me out
Honestly you’re right , and wow I didn’t know that fan wars were bad back then
Honestly I had to stop watching a lot of those k-pop channels bc a lot of them just spread unnecessary/toxic takes and it’s annoying
honestly i just think it’s natural for us to lose interest in various things as we get older and mature… i used to literally worship these kpop groups but now i rarely keep up with them. still, younger audiences will continue to enjoy kpop just as i did, and maybe one day grow out of their obsession of it too. it’s just a cycle in the music/streaming industry.
as a kpop fan, I basically just don’t listen to toxic kpop fans bc no and if I don’t know every bts song so be it
EXACTLY, you could say you stan BTS and they are gonna hit you with the “what’s jungkooks 3937th food” like wtf idk
@@seungsimp3653 fr they be like “if you’re an army when did Jungkook last place he was at,exact date,location & time” LIKE WHAT HOW AM I SUPPOSE TO KNOW JK LIKE THAT 😭💀
ISTG DO YOU REMEMBER THE THING WHERE JUNGKOOK TOOK A PICTURE W/ HIS FEMALE TATTOOIST AND ARMIES WENT WILD--
@@vgcalli1 Even if you don’t find them attractive then get prepared for death threats.
@@seungsimp3653 ifkr
I hope people will stop coming for you just because your not that fond of kpop anymore or a BTS stan anymore. I agree with your opinions and respect what you choose to do with your life. I still hope I can find out what kpop groups you like.
@purpleroses their music at least were really good, unfortunately everyone runs after money in entertainment industries these days.
@@sana-cm7oc what
@@Getout634 was a reply to another video. Sometimes it posts to a different one
@purpleroses oh
honestly day by day im starting to lose more and more interest in kpop. at one point i stanned 20 groups, i was really obsessed and it became VERY toxic for me and my friends/family. kpop was my personality. i couldn’t do anything without thinking about it. i even became a toxic tiktok stan. i was streaming and streaming, without realising how bad it became. all of this happened last year. this year in june (more specifically june 1st) i joined tiktok again and became AGAIN a kpop stan. my obsession started all over again, and i couldn’t take my eyes off my phone. it became so unhealthy that i was on my phone 12h a day. now i only stan itzy. i can’t even call myself a stan. more like a fan or casual listener. they are the only group i haven’t lost interest in and i haven’t been obsessed with. ngl it was fun (sometimes), but im glad im out of that phase
(edit : im sorry if some words are repetitive, english isn’t my first language so feel free to correct my grammar in the replies!
everyone should send this to those 12 year old kpop fans
Not quite. It's more for those who are amateurs, age or not, it's the mentality. I'm 15, but yet still my thoughts are far more mature than some of these "stans". I have to say however, that I used to think amateurish, but as I started to notice certain things, I started looking at Kpop from a different perspective.
You can choose of whose fan you wanna be and whose you don't wanna 🤌🙄
Some kpop stans are coming at you stay safe 💀🤡
Where? Are they here?
@@aleenurr
They get reported and deleted but the channel sees it all.
@@powbobs uhm, hate to break it to you, fans don’t care , many agree. stop demonising kpop fans
@@ne3218
They demonize themselves.
Horrible people.
@@ne3218 what about the abused k-pop idols? Is it just the fans that matter? You have lives, they don't.
I recently started following TraineeA a upcoming bg under Big Hit ent. and I have to say if you think being a idol is hard go watch their vlogs and A-road episodes it’s the first time I’ve seen a company being so open about the before debut and how hard and hard working it actually it is for a trainee to be able to debut
As a Kpop fan, I honestly agree, The amount of racism and black fishing in the community, the awful music that's being released, the toxicity is too much.Kpop isn't the same anymore. It must've been hard to talk about this especially after your BTS video got ALOT of hate. Kpop Idols are seen as gods in this community, If they do something extremely bad (eg. A crime such as SA) they're forgiven and their fanbase act as if it didn't happen. It's normal for a Idol to get plastic surgery, but fans pretend as if their idol haven't gone through that,but, I can't stop them, once you look up to someone and they became your idol you tend to think their angels (I'm not saying this as excuse for them) I've also realised how westernized Kpop is nowadays, The choreography, the message of the song, THE AMOUNT OF ENGLISH LINES, I swear in NMIXX'S debut song "O.O" there were so many english lines, and if they were any Korean lines sung, they were accompanied by words that arent even translatable, eg. "Look at the moving eye, sh00g, sh00g"what does that mean??. BTS'S, new songs are all in English. I just hope Kpop doesn't stay this way, especially in the future. We Kpop stans need to stop being blind to the point where we overlook that our idols have done crime, have been racist or colorist, done awful things to their staff or members.I also remember a member of the girl Group "Oh my Girl" left because she was dealing with "Ana", it's the way so many people were reacting negatively towards that, this is the reason idols cannot and don't have a choice to open up about their lives or health. Alot of idols keep quiet about their health and how they feel, eg. Suga from BTS once hurt his shoulder but never opened up about it, then he had to get surgery. Honestly idols aren't "perfect" or "angels". We need to stop this whole view of idols like this, I have seen so many videos of people thinking that Idols are innocent but once they do something, they are labelled a perv, COME ONE THEY'RE ADULTS, Stop babying them. They have a mind of their own and now ALOT of stuff, so top thinking that "their innocent, they don't understand anything and we need to protect them from dirty stuff UwU XDD" like, no.The amount of rumors I have heard is sad, eg. "A kpop idol that have dyed their hair pink, have been @bus3d by their staff or their members". I have also realised that if Female Kpop idols make a mistake their lazy or undetermined, but once a male idol makes a mistake ESPECIALLY in their choreography ,it's cute that's just sad. We also need to stop labelling idols bc of stereotypes, eg. If their a vocalist they can't be a good dancer. We need to stop saying things like; "Their just visual, They're lazy, they're too fat or too skinny, they're are only popular because of [___], they disgrace their group". That's just being toxic.
ANYWAYSSSS, Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
Happy late birthday! stay safe girlie some kpop stans are coming for you🧍♀️
Kpop stans act like they know their faves in rl so they defend them like their lives depend on it
This is just like what happened with the 90s boyband scene. People realized how messed up it was (just look at Aaron Carter and others like him) and they stopped being fans. There was also the issue of abuse to the young idols, as well as fakeness and corruption of the pure concept (idk if that's a good way to describe it) within the industry (for example, the fact that N'Sync vs Backstreet was actually just smoke and mirrors and they were both owned by the same person). Similarly with kpop, I was never a kpop fan really but my friends in middle and high school obsessed over it all the same. They knew the bad sides of it and often discussed the corruption like it was just something from a mafia anime, instead of reality. They just chose to keep patronizing the industry. For me, it's very easy to turn a blind eye to it, but it is important to know that although the idols work really hard to make a good final product and put on a show for their fans, and yes although they did sign up for this, it is important to know what is going on in the industry and decide whether or not to support it.
Another option of course is to still enjoy the music, but without paying for it, which is what I find myself doing with BTS (Yes, a youtube view is still money but it's not very much and i'm not spending out of my own pocket). Just knowing that idols often never get paid depending on their training contract, and that fact alone, really turns me away from the industry, on top of all the other abuses and corruption. The whole music industry is just as bad, but these sort of groups that appeal to youths are especially flagrant with their branding and practically beg for your donations at every turn.
EDIT: Found another thing to compare it to... the visual kei scene. The idols (they call them "J-rockers" in the fandom) are mainly personality-void products in an oversaturated industry. It started out as a raw expression, but after it got taken over by capitalism, the industry/genre sort of fell to bits. Maybe the same thing is happening to the kpop industry.
Aside from the toxic industry, the music has just become god awful and unbearable to listen to lmao
recent kpop releases have been oof....
o.o like what the fuck was that and other music have been kinda... bad..
NO BUT O.O THO- WHAT HAPPENED WITH JYP 😭😭WHERE DID THE GOOD DEBUT SONGS LIKE DISTRICT 9 OR DALLA DALLA GO NAURRRR
@@stayforstray8142 😭😭😭😭
@@redloona1085 Do you know there are K-pop fans who say most hated K-pop songs that I like is so cringe. I hate K-pop CZcamsrs a lot. I can name many K-pop CZcamsrs I hate a lot.
@@stayforstray8142 Yeah that song was total shit. Aespa and other girl groups song are really bad now. I don’t hate them okay but their music I just don’t like. I thought Dalla Dalla or Eleven were good. K-pop needs to step up and their companies need to make better music. They have all the money and all but waste it on horrible music.
For me kpop is just a moodbooster, sometime they make me calm and happy :)!!!
You're very mature honestly. You put a lot of thought into what you were saying. And it's everything that I agree with. Regardless I still love the music but I am upset that they aren't treated like humans. And every time I see "fans" complain about some of the most stupid things like dating and how they're "feeling betrayed" (utter nonsense)...anyway... I feel extremely put off and wonder why humans like those even exist.
Anywho. Keep it really girlie and stay safe 💓 positive vibes all the way☀️🌌
Same, i still keep myself updated with the music. What song or artists(especially solo artist) are new in the industry but other than listening to them songs once in a while i don't really associate with the industry, companies or the fan base in any way. And I'm happy with just that. K-pop is a very harmful industry both for the artists and the young fans. Then again as alot of korean fans of kpop say, the industry for them and not for people like me so I'm no one to judge or tell them to stop with their toxicity.
I'm still a kpop fan but not like some toxic ones. I simply enjoy their music. and I, in fact, agree with everything you said (except one part that you talked about the songs , because I think it depends on the person's personal taste).
I think the beauty standards are really toxic and harmful for teenagers and young people at that age because at some points, they literally make you feel that you're not enough and not beautiful.
the other issue is the diets. I completely agree with you on that. it's so dangerous to just eat an ice cube everyday or to *just* drink water. and most of the time idols admit that they suffer, but who cares? absolutely no one, because the companies make you believe that those idols are strong and have strong mentality. but who are we kidding?? they're humans after all. and they are hundreds of other issues waiting up if we want to talk about it.
it's been years that I'm a kpop fan and I'm telling you that they have helped me alot through the times I had depression and stuff and I do love my idols, but I'm a type of person that can't help but to tell the truth. it has good sides , but the dark sides are way more.
i’m honestly so happy and grateful that i’m able to detach myself from the kpop scene and the toxic and messed up industry it revolves around. ever time anything revolving around my faves happens (eg. someone insulted their music( i just remind myself i shouldn’t lose my morals over some random people that don’t even know of my existence. like i’m sure they wouldn’t suddenly be so proud of me if i wasted my time fighting these people back when they probably don’t even care 💀
It’s also funny when you realize the fandoms idols are probably friends with your faves irl and they don’t care ab the fan wars
Hello!! You're extremely right at this point , As a korean person i have seen and heard so many groups in my past life. It wasn't this hype back in 2005 and before. South korean people used to enjoy kpop i mean more like korean popish music , mostly teens. But nowdays people The main part of kpop i mean MUSIC is not even a main thing. "Kpop componies" nowdays focus on visual so they can attract more and more SIMPS ( yes , simps ) and not people who enjoys music. And it's really a popular opinion among south koreans. People doesn't listen to kpop anymore because of this reason. And
Second thing is i have heard so many ridiculous kpop fans on social medias who stalks them like please don't do that. They are also humans. Just don't make edits of them eating food and living their life because it's creepy for them . They are just doing their work. They are old enough to take care of their self so please don't create dramas or fight for them and things.
Also i used to love wonder girl from and oh my girl group. I still love them but it doesn't mean I'LL STALK THEM AND FIGHT FOR THEM BECAUSE I LOVE THEM AND CREATE A FAN WAR ON SOCIAL MEDIAS.
I also like blackpink and i have met Rosé and jisoo from blackpink. And i really love them and stuffs but it DOES NOT MEAN I WILL STALK THEM AND FIGHT FOR THEM AND CREATE FAN DRAMAS AND STUFF AND WILL SPREAD HUMORS ABOUT THEM. Just stop it.
Kpop is music industry please let it be a music industry. Don't make it simp industry or visual industry. [ i will not explain why i said visual industry].
Sorry for bad english. Have a nice day.
I'm used to be a huge kpop fan and an avid ARMY at that since 2016. Almost all of the songs I've listened to were kpop songs but right now, I ain't that huge of a fan anymore. I still casually listen to some kpop songs (usually BTS songs) but it's mostly from their earlier years. I also used to love kpop award shows like mama since I can see idols hyping and vibing with other idols but rn I'm not sure if it's possible anymore. Overall, I still like kpop as a whole but rn I'm just not fond of it anymore like how I was before.
Well me too. I just listen to the songs that I like
Me three I quit kpop it's getting toxic for me nobody even wants to be happy with me I say hey they ignore me😭
K-pop
Agenda - 5:27
Good - 6:27
You can't get fed up - 8:29
Senseless judgment for sexism runs the industry - 13:49
No safe environment, definitely it's just show off about heaven life, still they put child threw it - 18:27
Insane perfection standards that's way too dangerous - 20:00
Loved the video. Very interesting and eye opening about world of K-POP. Don’t worry about the fact that the video ends abruptly, it actually leaves me with wanting to hear more, so I’m really looking forward to part 2 😍😍😍
Happy 15th Birthday Zezre. Love you ❤️😘🌸
I am also no longer a kpop fan because of the same exact reasons...I'm glad that u are addressing these problems... Next time someone ask me why I stopped being a kpop fan I can just simply share this video with them... 🙂
Hi! First of all, I actually really like your honesty about how your interest in BTS and KPop is deteriorating because I've been through it too recently. I have been a kpop stan since, like, 12 and now I'm in my 20s, Super Junior is my gateway to the kpop world but back then I didn't really got attached to one group I just enjoy kpop generally. But at some point, I started to get attached to some idol groups and I became a multifan mainly army. I used to be a pretty hardcore fan, I follow their activities for almost 24/7 online, I participated in voting crazes, I made fancafe accounts, watch their live streams on vlive, I used to know and keep updated about every news about kpop idols, etc.
Since about four years ago, I realized the same things that you mentioned. At one point, I realized that everything they do feels so 'scripted' and superficial. I realized that what we adore from them is a persona they made on stage, on camera, on those variety shows. This is the biggest reason out of lots of other reasons for me to let go of my attachment to kpop. Some other would be my realization of how toxic korean culture is, not just in entertainment but also in many other aspects. Not to mention the fandom culture that gets so toxic nowadays. Also, yes, their qualities are also getting bad in general. The songs and concepts are starting to get so generic, although there are exceptions for some acts.
I can seriously make a whole paper about this kind of topic but I gotta stop here. My point is that I'm no longer a kpop fan but more like casual enjoyer.
I still love to listen to some new and old kpop songs, even I spread my interest to the other korean music genres like krnb, k-hiphop, and k-indies bcs I gotta admit that korean music has lots of great hidden gems. If there's a song that catches my interest I'll listen to it, but that's it. I also still love bts and still supporting the boys, but I don't want to be considered a part of army and I'm no longer stanning them that hard, just watch some videos on youtube and listen to their songs.
it will never stop sounding weird to me that people see bts as the "gateway group". i got into kpop before they debuted and i witnessed the entire process, from predebut to now so to me they will always just be another 2013 boy group debut. although i didnt intentionally do so, its just as a fan, popular groups tend to show up anywhere there is anything kpop related. but anyways, the peak of when i was the most obsessed as a fan was during 2012-2014, where 2015 was a small hiatus until 2016-2017 when my favorite groups had some of their most iconic comebacks before disbanding/losing members one by one. thats when i realized i would never be into kpop the same way again. but at least in 2018-2020 i still enjoyed the music. i cannot even listen to most albums now without having dozens of skips most of the time. even new jeans attention album, top fav of 2022, became quickly overplayed and i got so sick of it by the end of the year because of how often it was in tiktok videos, youtube shorts, and literally everywhere on the internet. social media has become oversaturated with mediocre kpop content that rarely ever digs deeper than memes, choreo fancams, or sped up versions and "drama".
i think a big issue is how koreans dont listen to it much anymore. variety shows with idols tend to focus on the group itself without flaws but 2nd gen-early 3rd gen it was more common to have mixed group content, or include nonkpop celebrities, or have more intimate moments showing the struggle underlying all the "perfection". thats why i hate tiktok videos as a means of kpop content. perfect editing, perfect cuts, and of course, visual. no talking, no time for intimate conversation, just pure short attention span eye candy. so for me, one of the things i hate most is the newer ways that kpop content is being created, promoted, and distributed. the lives are too polished, mvs are almost always just some cgi sh*t, and companies double down EVEN MORE than they used to when it comes to scandals and drama. i made the mistake of thinking kpop would become a more ethical and inclusive industry. it is the complete opposite. more shady sh*t is happening and since there are more fans, and specifically more fans that are new to the korean cultural context, who are younger, more impressionable, and naive, they think its normal and that its been a part of the industry since forever, which is partially true, but they dont realize that now, companies know their groups will survive with bigger fanbases than ever and since kpop fans equate criticism to being a hater, they can now get away with anything and no one can stop their exploitation.
I saw a vid of Jennie making a restless face like a regular human is after being exhausted after a long day . But she got shamed and hated on for it… but when V does it, it’s very attractive blah blah.
It's double standards, very sad
Honestly. The more I learn about the K-Pop Industry, the more respect I have for the three TVXQ-Members who filed a lawsuit to get out of their contracts.
i’ve only been a kpop stan for a year now w only 2 groups i truly ult (nct, p1h). i only really listen to the music and watch yt content and am not on twt. the only bad thing i can say is how expensive it is lmao
i can understand if a kpopie is leaving kpop fandom i mean bruh the dark side of kpop,the mistreatment of idols,toxic people who call them a kpop fan ,immature stans, unequality between male and female idols its disgusting
I used to be a massive kpop fan and thonk my life was kpop bit im starting to realise that i cant live obsessing over people i never will be and telling my self that kpop is definately appropiate for my age i will still listen to the songs but i am no longer gonna follow the idols and stuff because it is really unhealthy for someone as young as me
This happened to me too I don't care for Kpop anymore especially the fandoms
I get that dancing is an important aspect of kpop but it’s getting annoying how much idols lipsync these days and fans are supportive because the dance is intense. Feel like kpop is becoming more about the dancing and the visuals rather than the voice talents and music
because of this darkness of the industry, so many people have to give up on their dream its disgusting 😞
HEY!
tbh im here in kpop just for music, also
on days when i feel down i watch few videos to make my mood better even if they had to act fake in front of camera or whatever if its making me laugh & if im having a good time even for an hour then why would i complain ..
idc what diet they take, scandals or whatever i dont even have a single merch related to kpop coz ofc i enjoy kpop but im not that stupid to spend my money on these stuff i dont care about votings either
as i said im just here to enjoy music. These things u mentioned in the video doesn't even bother me coz i only care about good albums good songs according to my taste thats it.
i'm not really so into idols life i was never.
The only thing i want to say is that i wish you could've mentioned that Mina has serious mental issues. Because people don't keep that in mind and villainize her too much. Yes, what she did was very wrong, but we'll never know what actually happened with Jimin and her, and people sending them both dead treats is just sick. Netizens are one of the biggest problem in k-pop honestly.
I stopped listening to kpop too, I wished I never followed it
It's cause I felt like in a hole and denying all realities. It was like to extreme. I forgot about everything. Now I do listen to songs but I am into a reality that I need to earn to live and eventually to listen to music too.
ur soo young yet mature! ILY!!!
Lol I started to stop stanning kpop idols at 13- 14, but started to Stan bts only after 6 years at age of 18. Bts are a breath of fresh air. Very different from what I used to see. And I'm proud of being an army, seeing that their fan base ranges from young to old and different genders.
also its nice to see even young people calling seungri a sex criminal because ive been seeing a LOT of adult women defending him and calling him innocent. its been getting worse lately too.
im so glad you’ve covered this topic the K-pop community is so toxic and it annoys me how people blame a certain fanbase instead of all of them being held accountable for their behaviour. i still enjoy kpop but i used to find it so hard to be a fan of it and im so glad i wasn’t. the whole industry is so dark and the idols are poorly treated with so much expectations however they are rarely held accountable for their rude/ offensive actions. that’s a factor that put me off and the diets and the agencies and the way they treat their idols is disgusting.
it annoys me so much how the fans try to “care” for the idols like stop they’re literally fucking 20-30 years. taeyhong being an example of he wants to smoke let him it’s his choice. overall at this point a large portion of the time it’s not even caring it’s being possessive or controlling.
another disgusting thing is the aeoygo that shit pisses me off i find it as if they are fetishising the idols and acting very paedophilic it makes me uncomfortable. these idols are literally being forced to have to please their fans and it makes me proud when i see an idol standing up and saying no they are human and not just people who you find attractive. those edits of them playing with the mic or smiling at a female idols like it’s giving very much vinnie hacker fans.
it’s all annoying and that’s my take hopefully i don’t get hated on for this :)
I enjoy the music and the entertainment side of kpop because it's like an escape and makes me happy to watch. however, I do know and will always remind myself that kpop as an entertaining business standpoint is horrible and no child should go through the mental and physical draining journey of their dream of wanting to be an idol. like you said an idol is a person who's perfect at everything and no person in this whole world is perfect at all.
as a kpop fan whose neutral I really enjoy your content and when it comes to kpop I respect your opinion and even agree with all the points you've made. like I said I'm a neutral stan and it seems that kpop in this new era , since 4th gen groups are coming out/up, is just really draining and not as fun as it was back in 2015-2018.
I really hope you can make a part 2 (but it's okay you don't have to) as I'm really curious what more points you had on the ed plus your favorite kpop groups and songs.
Hope you had a good 15 birthday zezre 🎂🎉🎊
I went from overly obsessed to casual with kpop because of the toxicity and just maturing in general
I feel the same as you, what got me away from kpop tho is the fact that im a male and i had to either leave my love for kpop behind or just stay and accept that as a male kpop fan i was never going to be as appreciated by the idols and companies as much as female kpop fans are. So i left .
You can enjoy it for the music and filter out all the excess stuff. The obsessive streaming, the toxic fandom behavior, and the emphasis on charts are absolutely optional. They shouldn't have any place in your consumption of this genre.
I have benn stanning BTS for like 4 years and i am just continuing love them .
I just dont want people to mix their personal life with Kpop.If you stay out of whatever shit its just a music at last you dont have to be 24hrs engage with them. And i am just happy with listening BTS music at my life's enjoyment, Ups and downs.
We have the same opinion:)
As a kpop stan, thank you for speaking about this
I’m a fan not a stan.
It disgust me how closed minded people are in the Kpop Community. The Stans are problematic and very much toxic. It is really embarrassing when someone asks us what is our taste in music, once we say Kpop they would act all disgusted and honestly we do deserve that. Whenever an idol does something problematic they would always defend them. E.g: an idol would black face or say a slur. They would always defend them and start guilt tripping those who are educating them. If I say I don’t like a certain group (with reason or without) they would start threatening me, they would say slurs and start an immature fight in the comment section.
Idc I might get hated when I bring this up but A LOT of idols do cornrows, they would always defend them saying, “omg it’s the stylist fault for doing that.” Shut up, idols should know better, if they want to have a clear image as an idol they should have been educated from the start and not to do ca. “but they’re from Korea-“ there’s something called history plus most of these idols come from 3rd gen to 4th gen. Isn’t there something called a gadget to search stuff on? Most of them support Jay Park, he’s ignorant and again problematic. Yet there are Stans out there wanting to get r4iled by him.
I just don’t understand that they can’t accept an opinion that’s different to theirs. My cousins hate Kpop, and I’m okay with that. Why? Because what’s that got to do with me?Plus they respect my opinion about it. I’m just a fan, not a stan. I don’t obsess over some human being.
As a k-pop stan, I enjoy the music and the content they put out and I like collecting stuff, so I easily got obsessed over albums. I try not to make it my whole life and personality, but I feel comfortable with being a little more into this fandom, if I can say it like that. I'm not obsessing too much over idols though and if they do something controversial, I'll unstan them. Yes, I look up to some idols and yes, some of them actually helped me finding my way and finding friends through the fandom. I also know the dark side of k-pop. But as you grow up, you'll realise that most companies are just like k-pop companies. Remember that we live in a world of capitalism, and globalisation is even bigger than before, so the market is really huge. The most convenient thing companies can do is to exploit you. Maybe not in all parts of the world, but as someone who lives in a kinda poor country, I don't find the dark side of the k-pop industry something extra. Maybe I'm just desensitised, because working hard for $2 per hour is normal here. I won't deny that the industry is gross, but which industry isn't? I think that being a little blind is not wrong- after all, it feels better to be clueless than to know everything.
I also feel like if people find k-pop as the meaning of their life, then so be it. If you're mentally ill, it can be a coping mechanism or you can use it as something to hold onto in life. This is why we should never bully someone for being hyperfixated on something. But I digress.
My point is: being addicted to k-pop is fine to extent. :)
I used to be a hardcore kpop fan but now i just really like the music and buying albums idk
I respect ur opinoin and I hate when fans get all mad just because someone doesnt agree or they dont like the same thing as them. Its toxic and although im still a fan I just wish this kind of things could stop :/
I'd personally been a fan of kpop since my elementary school years because of their amazing talents and modest, fashionable look. (mostly groups from 1st to 2nd generation) it's just like a normal thing. since the beginning of year 2015/2016 remarks the alternation of kpop concept (basically groups which debut those years after training) at the same time the fanbase grows gradually and it mainly focuses on visual and choreography (mostly boygroups from 3rd to 4th gen are switched into effeminate looks) which lead to misconduct of fans (obsession to idols) that's why i have already stopped being a fan of kpop, but the music i still listen some of them (2nd gen usually)
I like 0.0 and sticker, I'm weird.
Edit:wow 15 likes that is a lot to me!😁 I cant believe zezre replied to this comment!😁thank u!❤
You aren’t weird! Everyone has different music tastes
You like bridges and verses . Not the whole song . Right?? Maybe you just listen to the favorite part of the songs . That's why OO hears good to you . My sis says the same thing.
@@Zezre thank u
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can’t escape from the sticker slander 💔 but jokes aside, i do relate to these topics, although i’m still a kpop fan, it really upsets me that all of this are going on in the industry. nowadays i just listen to their music, i do still watch some reality shows here and there sometimes
The case of Sulli is why I don’t like KPop.
It’s crazy how some K-pop stand will come at you for this. Tbh I agree with u
Bruh, kpop stans will literally send you a whole 3 page essay on proof that their favs weren’t lipsyncing but will not give a fuck if there’s racism/cultural appropriation involved. Like what happened with Lisa, Wendy, Namjoon, Giselle and so many more.
I mean she is right.
she is the moment
woke up and decided to speak facts. tho she cut off XD
Crazy kpop idols standards
You're a really great and eloquent speaker/writer. Seemingly very opinionated and well informed at your age it's so so refreshing, not to mention you're funny. Would you be able to set up the script or prompter such that your eyes naturally go left center right however. I think how you're set up right now doesn't detract from your salient points, yet for someone like me who thinks are you reading or are really that spontaneously good, it's quite distracting. Just me though, that said do keep it up.
I honestly feel so bad for K-pop idols. It’s true that they have to put on a “cute” and “perfect” act. Like for example Jennie from black pink. She’s had a lot a mental breakdowns and injuries and people hate on her for it. People call her “lazy” for being overworked and tired. It’s really sad.
Trust me sis,I'm the same as you and I'm not Kpop Stan anymore,their fans are main reasons and I still wonder how it was my favorite thing!!
I didn't understand it was a distraction.
And nothing is more important than you,your dreams and blah!
Their fans are the cringiest!
That's what makes them cringe 😬
Literally they are saying "they are my life,my heart,my husband,my dream"
And blah nonsense.
Like dude they are just part of ENTERTAINMENT!
That's what people don't understand!
And since I left it.
Trust me!I didn't regret it!
I got fights with the same creatures as me.
I don't wanna lose humanity bc of a part of ENTERTAINMENT
Now I'm just busy with I, me,myself,and my life
And there's family and I'm happy!
I'm not tryna be rude but their fans and they themselves are silly
And I'm not into stupid stuffs.
And nd before going I was to tell the immature people as the matured people are not their fans anymore.
Stop dreaming!
Your 26 year old oppa won't marry your 10 year old ass!
One thing to tell is I hate when people say "Why don't you like them,No one asked"
Like I have my opinion and I can like /dislike any group
It's completely my choice!
2:16 I'm glad I can relate! Kpop is not really for me anymore but I am a fan if that makes sense, like I was literally OBSESSED😭🤷
i became a kpop stan for a short while last year. i voted for twice, streamed their music, watched their vlives, etc. i became drained after watching ads to vote for them, felt what i was doing was meaningless because why would i support them and give money to billionaires who exploit people for money? should've spent the time reading books instead of wasting it. :(( i only come back into being a stan when i choose to "forget" reality. "ignorance is bliss." hahahaha