TESTING The F-4E's RWR ALR-46! | DCS World
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- Learning the F-4E Phantom by Heatblur and noticed this about the RWR. What are your thoughts about its behavior?
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I really hope this changes.
But what if this is a correct behavior?
@@BlazejBucko123 There is no way it is able to detect a MiG at over 180 miles. If it could the sensitivity would have to be decreased.
@@AviationPlus Sure, the range is iffy, I agree. But can you really say that it's not working as intended with regards to threat priority? It's working differently than in other sims but is there a proper manual that describes how it is supposed to work (in details)?
@@BlazejBucko123 Everything works a lot better then the DCS F-16 but the range makes this sensor a lot less useful. Check out this video where I discuss docs on the ALR-46 specifically. czcams.com/video/evDemqQufVY/video.html
@@AviationPlus Hm, really looks like a bug if you compare behavior with the docs. But why would they impement it like this (or how they missed the bug) if F-4's RWR was supposed to be highly realistic.. Bummer.
Don't even think about enabling the WIP handoff mode unless you want to end up in a padded cell. I'm planning on replacing those sounds with BMS ones.
Classic early access meaning unplayable in an operational environment.
Calling it unplayable is a bit harsh though 😅
@@nyandyn Maybe but anything is playable even if none of the weapons work but that is not the intention of this module.
The rings RWR shows calculated "lethal range" and not distance.
- The calculation considers the specific type of threat, altitude, speed and range.
- The inner ring is 1x lethal range and the outer is normally 2x lethal range.
For example, an SA2 Optic will always show dead center of you are below its ceiling, regardless of range, whereas a AAA threat will stay outside the outer ring as long as you are high enough, even if you fly directly over it.
Airborne threats have similar parameters depending on the specific detection.
czcams.com/video/evDemqQufVY/video.htmlsi=NwSdDdGnXCAWq25x&t=184
@@AviationPlus I don't think you understand what you're reading. The ranges in there are given as _example_ the display is scaled differently for different emitters.
true, there's absolutely zero way to determine the exact distance of radar emissions. Only the general ballpark of "too intense" and "not intense enough"
@@delayed_control It an example but it's literally for the ALR-46 the one on the F-4. 180 miles is still not a logical distance to know about an emitter.
@@wrmusic8736 I am completely aware of that but it can tell the difference between 180 miles and 30 miles base on strength and the threat table loaded.
Working as intended.
Also know as "even our in house expert on X plane knows its wrong but were not gonna change it" Answer
Or saying the expert says it is correct.
You were both burning towards each other at high speed, the closing speed decreases the effective combat range.
@@Guy_6397 Speed has nothing to do with the RWR.
Did you missed the memo? They grabbed a signal processor from the F-35 to get that noise floor down. This was done back in [redacted].
This is not wrong lol
Yeah the RWR was confusing me as I was seeing contacts "Within engagement distance" but often finding nothing
Exactly anything above 30 miles is not within engagement distance.
The range an emission can be detected by an RWR at IRL is NOT a linear function of radar's target detection range, like it is for other western RWRs in game so far. That's because radar's target detection range is proportional to a 4th root of radar power (round trip), while the range RWR can detect it at scales with a square root of radar power (one-way propagation). A weak radar might be picked up from like 1.5 times its own detection range or even less, while a very powerful radar might be picked up from something like 10x its detection range.
Also older radars, like the RP-22 try to make up with horrible signal processing with more power. So the relationship between peak power and radar age or its target detection range is not what you think - modern phased array radars have a much higher detection range with a fraction of power of old, cold war radars. They also have a higher gain, which partially compensates here, but not completely - so no, maybe they overdid it for the RP-22, you can poke them about it so they re-investigate it, but I can totally see newer radars being picked up from a lower range despite them seeing targets further away - in fact it's _by design,_ you want the radar to be stealthy and hard to pick up by RWRs. This is the first RWR in DCS that takes this aspect into account at all. Previous RWRs just pick up the radars at a fixed multiplicity of that radar's target detection range, which is completely bogus and unrealistic, in real life there's no easily identifiable relationship between the two.
Even with that said I don't think seeing a MiG-21 at 180 miles is anywhere near normal. I can't imagine in Vietnam that pilots got warnings of MiGs at 180 miles away.
Also check out page 52 Paragraph 2 (b) apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA119252.pdf
@@AviationPlusInteresting sidenote, they actually saw them at 200+ miles out already due to Combat Tree.
Wondering DMAS's rwr is the same or? If its same F-4E is totally crap package for me.
Can heatlbur make captured mig-21 spo-10 retrofit option? It will be nice role play element. At least we can have launch audio against a2s 🤣
So its not just me who isnt getting any launch warning from AA missiles ? XD
DMAS RWR should be the same AFAIK
@@OliverMiles98 sadly yes.
I hate the current rwr, its so unclear i have no clue when I'm getting locked or if I'm getting shot at. it just makes the same sound all the time. doesn't matter if i take off or fly in a combat zone
This is exactly how western RWR is supposed to work, except for the fact that the Phantom's RWR detection range is ridiculously wide.
The current F-16 and F/A-18's RWR place both an enemy at 10 miles and an enemy at 80 miles on the same outer ring unless the enemy does STT. Without datalinks, 4th gen pilot's situation awareness is worst then 3rd's.
This is exactly how it is supposed to work except for the fact that it is completely broken. The current F-16 RWR is unplayable. Basing the rings on Radar status. It does not make any logical sense and is a complete SA killer if I am merged with a MiG and they are placed on the outer ring solely based on the fact that they are not locked on to me and in search mode. However, if someone is 60 miles and in STT they show up on the inner ring. Watch my video discussing the matter further. czcams.com/video/evDemqQufVY/video.html
@@AviationPlus That is exactly what I wanna say.
Heatblur almost had it but not quite also there are too many increments getting closer to the center. It is very hard to tell by quick glance if there are 50 increments in between leading to the center. There should be like 4 at the most.
I´m no one to judge if its correct or not, just feel the urge to mention RWR knows nothing about distance to emiter, it relates its symbology to its power of the emiter.
I am aware of the relationship with determining where the symbol is on the RWR. Either way a MiG21 showing up at 180 miles. This RWR is way too sensitive.
Strength + Capabilities = distance portrayed
@@AviationPlus AI Radars don't necessarily work the same as player radars... this can be observed by an AI MiG-29A locking you STATIONARY ON THE GROUND at 80+ miles. I see it happen every day on the Through the Inferno Servers. It's 100% not possible as a player.
I would not be surprised one bit if because of this issue, the F-14 and F-4 RWR are overly sensitive to AI to compensate for lack of detection (when it should be) against player aircraft.
@@Whiskey11Gaming Did not know that but that is still an issue PvE happens a lot.
@@Whiskey11Gaming Keep in mind the RWR will pick up other targets being locked if you're in beam
@@delayed_control Yes, but this isn't unique to Heatblur RWR either... Viper, Hornet, Strike Eagle all do it even if there is nothing between you and the enemy aircraft for it to lock up and you get residual indications from.
As a result, F4's RWR is crap.
Ya I am not a fan at the moment.