Remo Rototoms - an overview of the weirdest drums

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  • čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
  • Roto toms. Every drummer has either had a set or knows someone who does. But we almost never use them for anything. The coolest waste of space ever. If you somehow don't know about them here's a video showing them off. 6/8/10/12/16 set in a few different tunings.

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  • @1Lee
    @1Lee Před 4 lety +32

    This is the best video on Roto Toms on the internet. Could you please do a follow up on alternative methods of mounting the roto toms? I've got that black rail, but I hate using it. How are you mounting the two largest roto toms? Could you show the mechanism in close up? Thanks, great video!

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 4 lety +4

      Yeah I maybe could do that. The big ones are individually mounted to normal cymbal stand bases using a little black clamp. It has a hole to accept the threaded rod and a clamp that goes over a normal stand tube. Not 100% sure but I don’t think they tilt easily with this setup pretty sure it’s just flat or nothing.

    • @1Lee
      @1Lee Před 4 lety +1

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom Any chance you can show the black clamp in a video? Thanks for the reply!

    • @drumdude68
      @drumdude68 Před 4 lety +3

      This is exactly what I use.
      I tap the inspection hole and install a set screw to keep the threads from loosening up.
      It then fits into a multi-clamp that can be mounted off cymbal stands for small toms, and snare stands for the floor tom configuration.
      Hope that helps.

  • @ronniefarnsworth6465
    @ronniefarnsworth6465 Před 3 lety +10

    Bill Bruford's use of these on UK's first album in 1978' is really great !!
    For those who don't know Bruford is the HOF Drummer of Yes, King Crimson and played in many other Prog and Jazz Fusion Acts !

  • @shawncosmos5431
    @shawncosmos5431 Před 2 lety +2

    I was taking drum lessons as a teenager when my teacher brought out these things.. Pretty cool and decades ago.... Thanks for sharing this!

  • @nixneato
    @nixneato Před 4 lety +3

    Loved it! I knew about them but you really added interesting information. The timpani comparison was great.

  • @Assimilator702
    @Assimilator702 Před 4 lety +4

    Chocolate Chip Trip on the newest Tool album uses mostly rototoms in the composition along with his cast bronze snare with the snares off before it really kicks in. It looks like Danny Carey’s current setup is one rack Tom, 2 floor toms and 2 rototoms. It’s nice to see such an established drummer use rototoms as a major part of his setup.

    • @eddyrocksu
      @eddyrocksu Před 3 lety

      How do you know he used mostly roto toms for that specific song?

    • @Assimilator702
      @Assimilator702 Před 3 lety

      @@eddyrocksu You can hear them if you listen to the song. Rototoms have a very distinctive one dimensional sound. Plus Danys recording kit has several rototoms in the setup which is not much different from his live setup which uses several rototoms.

  • @snappythingy
    @snappythingy Před 4 lety +4

    Great video and info on these. I had some way back in like 1990 or so. At the time it was the cheapest way to turn a 5 piece kit into an 8 piece kit and a lot of fun.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 4 lety

      I got the 3 smaller ones from a pawn shop in like 1996 or 97. Never figured out a really good place on my kit for them. But I can’t get rid of them.

    • @snappythingy
      @snappythingy Před 4 lety

      Ryan Alexander Bloom yeah, I think I put mine actually above my 2 rack toms which probably made no sense but main purpose I think was to recreate some Van Halen drum fills I was into.

  • @rdrummer322
    @rdrummer322 Před rokem +1

    Nicely explained. I have used 12 rotos set above my main set in clinics the past 15 years. rotos I use are 6,6,8,8,10,10, 10,12,12,14,16,18. The 18 is a beast. It really growls, but the problem is it doesn't carry well and sounds like a deep thud. I'm sure that is why Remo discontinued them. The 12 and 14 are special, sound really good.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před rokem +1

      Cool. I have the 18” now, since I made this. I did a side by side sound test with a regular tom of the same diameter at the same pitch with the same head. I think the 10”. The rotos are quieter and have less power for sure. People often think they cut well because they have some weird overtones… but they don’t. It’s a myth.

  • @HazeAnderson
    @HazeAnderson Před 4 lety +5

    Yeah I had some in the late 80s and pawned 'em off pretty quick sometime in the early 90s. 😂 The only gripe I have with them is their lack of projection. Not a problem if you mic them, but nothing BUT problems if you don't mic them. Cheers!

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah, I saw one on ebay that someone had put like a 12-14" deep PVC "Shell" below the lowest metal ring and then attached a Pearl style tom mount to the pvc. Made it sort of octobon-esque but still rapidly tunable. Probably slightly more useable that way. Mounting these things is the worst. The rail system is very hard to deal with.

  • @toddglacy1161
    @toddglacy1161 Před 4 lety +1

    I always loved the sound of Rototoms and have owned the whole set...then sold them, and re-bought some again, then sold them again. The real issue for me has been how to mount them in a useful way on a drum kit (over the bass drum) and then storing and transporting them. I've also had a few where spokes on the bottom "wheel" of the larger ones have cracked....which is not really repairable since it's made of pot-metal. Love how Bruford, Bozzio and others used them. One thing I would love to get is the tympani pedal setup...never seen one in person though. Would be a great "talking drum" effect. Thanks for the video!

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 4 lety

      I’ve never seen the pedals in person either. Very rare. My problem with mounting them is that I, as with most people, don’t care for my toms to be perfectly straight across. A natural curve would be better. One way to around this would be to mount them all individually so they can move relative to one another, but that’s a lot of stands. Some people find ways to clamp them onto normal rack systems, but I don’t own a rack... so I don’t use them on my kit very often.

  • @joewolfe5370
    @joewolfe5370 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Bozio used the shells at a drum clinic i went to and he called them spokes. I didnt realize thats what they were??? Interesting

  • @zarwarrior
    @zarwarrior Před 3 lety

    Very nice, Ryan! I just installed a set of four roto toms on my drumset - two 8", one 10" and one 12". I already had a 6" and an 18", so now I have 6 rotos. However, I needed my rotos to sit at a more comfortable angle. And I wanted the ability to position them in any direction. Next, I got to work making some adjustable clamping hardware. I purchased some metal and repurposed some other metal. Did a bunch of cutting, bending, and welding. I attached my creation to a Gibraltar two post L Rod attachment, which I attached to a post on top of my bass drums. It took some thinking, some failed attempts, but I zeroed in and got what I wanted. Soon I'm going to post a video showing the 'before', the 'after', pictures of the process , and I'll be demonstrating how my awesome roto's have inspired me to bust out of my typical comfort zone. I've used rotos occasionally in the past, but I'm now going full blast roto-maniac. The roto tone and time duration depends on the type of head. To get the sound I was looking for I'm using Remo Emperors, and I'm getting great response and lots of nice resonating overtones. Plus, the dynamic response is huge. "Thunderous" is a good word to describe my new sound. Right now I have a picture of my roto tom setup on Facebook and Instagram. facebook.com/zarsukkoi and instagram.com/zarsukkoi.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety

      Someone said they'd give me a 6th one recently, a "big one," in return for refurbishing/fixing/tuning a couple or orchestral snares they need worked on... but have yet to follow through on that. I'm hoping that comes back around eventually because the "big" ones are hard to find and are expensive when you do. I'm assuming he means bigger than 10" but I'll take anything. I think it would be awesome to have at least 8 eventually so I could have a diatonic octave and use it like a keyboard. Not practical or realistic, but awesome.

  • @davidmcaninch4714
    @davidmcaninch4714 Před 2 lety +1

    I know this has nothing to do with the video, but I have a request for the drum kit ergonomics playlist: a case study of Rick Allen’s kit. He’s one of my favorite drummers of all time, and his determination to keep playing even after his accident is inspiring to me.

  • @robnykulaik7337
    @robnykulaik7337 Před 4 lety +3

    I have a set of 6'/8'/10' with an angle brace for the 10' that makes it easier to play..... and i will never sell mine great for playing Rush. Super cool!!!!

  • @Drums1MRX
    @Drums1MRX Před 4 lety +4

    Roto Toms sound great with hydraulic heads. I used Evans loved mine. Nice grouping.

    • @anonymous_friend
      @anonymous_friend Před 3 lety

      Dang I was thinking about hydraulics but was worried they would sound dead and thuddy. Got g2 clears instead.

  • @stiffrichard2816
    @stiffrichard2816 Před 3 lety +1

    These were most commonly used with Remo black dot heads which is what they came stock with. They cut through and are very expressive. Nowadays, there are even more options to experiment with but I would say to start there.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety +1

      No matter the head they don’t cut as well as a full double headed drum with a shell. The lack of a shell and reso head really just robs them of power. In trade you get tunability.

    • @stiffrichard2816
      @stiffrichard2816 Před 3 lety +2

      @UC39zIffRzupQfJjz0uxmv_Q Dude, when I tried to post that comment I got a warning for offensive language, violating our terms of service and such. I looked at my comment again trying to figure out what I might have said wrong and realized I said... Black dot heads!!! Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! Ahahahahagagaga!!!

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety +2

      That’s stupid. That’s a legit head type. Bots strike again. Thanks YT. 🤬

  • @mrsteve3232
    @mrsteve3232 Před 2 lety +1

    A great video thanks for sharing 👍🏻🇬🇧

  • @BadRonald1
    @BadRonald1 Před 3 lety +2

    Bozzio had a whole set of these without the heads back in 87. Very cool.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety

      Dude had 3 or 4 distinct roto setups back before he went off the deep end with all the DW stuff.

    • @BadRonald1
      @BadRonald1 Před 3 lety

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom Well yes of course but didn't want to type in all that.lol

    • @stiffrichard2816
      @stiffrichard2816 Před 3 lety +1

      His kit was all mic'd up through the stage monitors so they cut through just fine. Bozzio is awesome.

  • @scottmorosky4983
    @scottmorosky4983 Před 3 lety

    Great video! You are on point. I own a 6,8,10. Will be purchasing more but it is a want thing not a need thing. Now a space issue as well. I would set the 8 and 10 next to my Pearl toms and it was always cool and fun. People still love them and they look very cool. Not much to chip compared to wood and the expensive finishes of regular drums.

  • @theswime945
    @theswime945 Před rokem

    Thanks for this really comprehensive overview. When these arrived in the UK early 1980s they were considered a bit of a gimmick and were disproportianately expensive so didn't really catch on. Wish I had a full set now though... Cheers.

  • @rotoconversions2400
    @rotoconversions2400 Před rokem +1

    Remo also made a pedal to change the pitch

  • @assasinator1980
    @assasinator1980 Před 2 lety +1

    3:26 sounded really cool. I Demand a full drum solo in that tuning.

  • @johnbarney6861
    @johnbarney6861 Před 4 lety

    Awesome video straight to the point you got it on the Mart keep it up the awesome job

  • @DarrylJohnsonII
    @DarrylJohnsonII Před 3 lety

    Very helpful, thank you, Ryan!

  • @joerico9461
    @joerico9461 Před 4 lety

    Excellent explanation

  • @DRUMSBOOKS
    @DRUMSBOOKS Před 2 lety +1

    Beethoven "Ode to Joy" can be playing with those drums 😊 you need C, D, E, F, G 🎹

  • @kirtandreamrezzer
    @kirtandreamrezzer Před 3 lety +1

    I keep wondering why REMO doesn't produce the larger sizes (16" and 18"). Steve Weiss Music makes larger ones also but they are also hard to find, probably out of stock all the time.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety

      Honestly I bet they don’t sell that many roto toms in any given year and the big ones probably aren’t economically viable to produce to sell like 20 or 50 sets per year worldwide. Compared to thousands upon thousands of drum heads and other products. Steve Weiss sells a set of 12/14 I think. I’m not sure there’s anywhere you can buy new 16/18. Maybe there is.... Steve Weiss as well? But they’re just not in high demand so they don’t keep up on them all the time. Especially at the prices they charge.

    • @seanfromdaheights1508
      @seanfromdaheights1508 Před 3 lety

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom They used to sell 16 and 18 but the cost was high and they are hard as hell to find now . I've had all 7 at one time for go go music in the DMV .

  • @ronniefarnsworth6465
    @ronniefarnsworth6465 Před 3 lety +1

    Are you sure your not working for NASA ? !! Lol : D
    Great video man !!

  • @alaindubois1505
    @alaindubois1505 Před 3 lety

    Thanks Ryan, I use Cubase and software, but I always appreciate 'real' instruments - especially because you get to move around - not stuck on a computer. This is important when doing rhythm which is mostly based on human physiology.
    I was actually looking for what I think now are orchestral tympany. It's for the 'Hollywood Jungle' beat used in a big band swing version of 'Caravan', and is used a little in the George of the Jungle Theme. I love Indian Tabla and drums that can be pitched. Software makes that easy now. There's probably a large interface that can be used in lieu of hundreds of real drums instead of a keyboard or small set of electronic pads.
    So now I know why they are called 'Roto', as they are rotated to change pitch. I'm into history, do you know when Rototoms were developed and first used, and the background leading up to them? I'm glad I stumbled on your site, thanks. Al

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety

      I think they were invented in the 1960s and were commercially available by the 1970s at the latest. They show up in the kits of prog rock drummers quite often. They’ve been made continuously since they were introduced, though Remo doesn’t appear to make sizes larger than 10” anymore. Other brands do sell the larger sizes as their technology has been used by several different companies. Probably because the patent expired.

    • @alaindubois1505
      @alaindubois1505 Před 3 lety

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom, thanks. I think it's tympani that were used in big band swing. It was decades ago that I heard it. I'll keep looking for a clip - probably recorded in the 40/50s.
      It's good to know a range of tuned and non-tuned percussion. However, even so-called non-tuned can have its pitch changed for recording in software. I'm just starting to see how changing the pitch sounds with the scale or chords used in a music piece

  • @slippe.physter50
    @slippe.physter50 Před 4 lety

    Back in the late 80's i had a snare drum that was a frankendrum of a marching snare with the top tuning lugs removed ,,a protective rubber molding over the bearing edge, and a 4-way bracket mounted inside the shell above the snare head that anchored the rototom. It was great for changing your snare sound from song to song , even within the song. The guy i had bought a Pearl kit from had made it and it came with the kit. It inspired me to take the 6-8-10 set i had, replace the center bolts with longer ones, get some pvc pipe coupleings in 6-8-&10(that also were as deep as they were in diameter)paint to match my kit, and attatched them to the bottom ring that spins on the center bolt via hoseclamps inserted thru some very thin holes i made with a drill. They sounded pretty damn good, like concert toms of the day, with a little extra ring that is the distinctive roto signature.
    )adendum( I sparked my own curiousity and found out the roto snare was a pearl product back in the day
    reverb.com/item/2303513-pearl-vari-pitch-snare-drum-roto-snare-rare-find-good-condition
    dont know why i thought the seller told me he made it, probably too many shrooms, (it was in Hawaii), regardless I did make my pvc pipe roto concert toms!

  • @HighlanderNorth1
    @HighlanderNorth1 Před 3 lety +1

    🤔 But can you lock them down once you get the tuning set, so that they don't rotate back out of tune as you play them, or when you move them from place to place?

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety +3

      They don’t move when you play them. They might move when you transport them but fixing the tuning at the next destination is pretty easy. They do not lock.

  • @coreyw5981
    @coreyw5981 Před 3 lety +1

    How are you mounting the bigger ones? I need to find alternate methods of mounting. Mine came with horizontal bar but no stand but i want to mount my 8 and 10 alone on a different type of stand

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety +1

      I have a separate video on how they’re mounted. It should answer that question.

  • @The_Other_Ghost
    @The_Other_Ghost Před rokem +1

    So now it's time to start a prog band?

  • @anonymous_friend
    @anonymous_friend Před 3 lety

    Will you do a video on how to tune these? I just bought a used 6-8-10” set and ordered some evans g2 clear heads. hope these will sound great when i get the heads in. I want to make sure I tune them properly though. Thanks

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety +2

      I don’t really know the best way or whether there’s a trick to it. I just try to tune them like any drum. Same pitch at each lug. It’s difficult. Especially if the heads are old or the drums are not in perfect shape. All mine are quite old and I haven’t changed the heads except for a few that have broken over the years.

  • @DavidB.Rockin
    @DavidB.Rockin Před 10 měsíci

    Pretty interesting how they don't make the bigger rototoms anymore

  • @level420
    @level420 Před 3 lety

    I gotta get some of these

  • @originalvonster
    @originalvonster Před rokem

    Do you know which Pink Floyd song used roto-toms with an EMT reverb plate with a little bit of delay through a tape machine?

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před rokem +1

      If this is a test, I fail. I have no idea.

    • @originalvonster
      @originalvonster Před rokem

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom 😂 Haha it wasn’t a test. I found a song called Time. I think it has roto toms?

    • @MadCritter
      @MadCritter Před rokem +1

      Time.

    • @weehudyy
      @weehudyy Před 4 měsíci

      @@originalvonster Nick Mason said that for him, the whole of Dark Side of the Moon was ' about the roto-toms ...' unquote

  • @adogamerntg8060
    @adogamerntg8060 Před 3 lety

    I want to add a rototom (14') to my setup but I'm not sure how to mount it. Any suggestions? I'd really appreciate some help :)

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety

      AdogamerNTG czcams.com/video/lIbFHfInmoM/video.html this should help

  • @tracyneighbors7059
    @tracyneighbors7059 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm Looking for a Set If anybody knows of some for sale! Thanx

    • @johnsoos6907
      @johnsoos6907 Před 2 lety +1

      Check out Steve Weiss Music. He has all sizes. They're his, not Remo, but they are excellent.

    • @tracyneighbors7059
      @tracyneighbors7059 Před 2 lety +1

      @@johnsoos6907 Thanx Bro!

  • @edoardozampetti4601
    @edoardozampetti4601 Před 3 lety

    75000$ for the rototoms ?? is pure gold 24k ??

  • @drew-shourd
    @drew-shourd Před 3 lety +1

    These are actually made to spin as you play I
    i.e. 'solo'....changing the pitch as you strike it, I am very shocked you didn't demonstrate that....

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Před 3 lety +2

      Yeah, you're right that is an option. I'm not sure how practical that is in real life as you then lose the use of one of your hands, unlike timpani (or the pedal operated "timpanello" version of the rotos) where its a hands free process.

  • @beetlejews
    @beetlejews Před 4 lety

    Awesome work playboy

  • @hpfmusic9137
    @hpfmusic9137 Před 3 lety

    @ watch my roto drum solo as well

  • @davidmcaninch4714
    @davidmcaninch4714 Před rokem

    I bet Roto toms are the easiest drum to tune.

  • @felylumacang6323
    @felylumacang6323 Před 4 lety +2

    L