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Molten Modular 18 Pt 3 - How I wrote a track on Eurorack
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- The track is written, so we no longer have to ask the question. So in part 3 I talk about my approach, what I did, what were the key modules and how I mixed and edited the recordings afterwards. You'll find snippets of the tracks I created but if you'd like to hear them in full them please head over to Patreon.com/robinvincent and become a Patron! :) The chosen track, however, will only be available on the Modularism Vol 2 album when it's released.
Intro - 00:19
My approach - 4:36
Highlighting useful modules - 9:47
Intervals and transposing - 10:32
Automating with a Doepfer sequential switch and clock divider - 16:17
Vermona randomRHYTHM running the show - 22:33
Erica Synths Graphic VCO sub oscillator offset - 26:58
Summing up the method - 30:10
Post production - 32:37
Checking out track 1 - 34:54
Checking out track 2 - 39:42
Checking out track 3 - 40:44
Checking out track 4 - 41:52
Mixing and editing - 44:18
What happens next? - 54:19
Summing up - 55:26
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Really interesting, and very generous/brave of you to open up your process like that! I think deciding to have a USP based around "I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm learning as I go, and I'm going to take you on the journey with me" is a real winner. Thanks!
Great stuff! I'm enjoying the series very much.
Thanks again Robin, that was really fascinating...lots of problems with cunning solutions... once more a great video on using Eurorack creatively. I am looking forward to hearing more.
Thank you Robin! Soaking up your ideas since your modular journey has started. Clock Divider and seq switches are on my list now......
This has to be your best video. An excellent idea here presenting your thought process as you patched and overcame problems or design intents. Keep this up, you're giving me more ideas.
I will, thanks
+1, great video!
Enjoyed listening to your explanation of the sequential switch and the clock divider. Using the two together opens up a world of possibilities. Another thing that makes listening to your modular adventures so pleasurable is how you share going through confusion/clarity cycles. Its not something you see a lot on the internet as most "teachers" present themselves as all-knowing, never struggling with understanding how things work and having and instant infallible grasp of with they do, going from idea to end-result effortlessly with any distraction or detour.
I’m all about the detour and distractions 😊
Detours and Distractions... I think you've found your first album title.
Great help in my research! Thanks for making interesting Videos.
Always helps me to think of a switch like a railroad switch routing trains. One input can go to one of two different directions when it comes out, or two different inputs get routed towards the same destination. All the module does is let you switch the routing of the signal so you can get your CV to the next station!
Modules modules modules. It’s a word we may not have thought we would be saying that much. Modules... are just a place in time
19:24 I bought a clock divider a while ago, and it has been very useful in building patches, especially when I want to have, for example, a bass line and a melody, or two rhythmic tracks put together.
As someone thinking of taking a similar journey into the world of Eurorack I've found this series of videos full of great information. You have made fantastic progress in such a short time, no doubt due to your background knowledge, and it has been fascinating to watch.
Thanks! :)
Thanks Robin. Love a mellow modular description.
I have built my system around a live stereo patching structure, instead of multi-tracking recordings. It's tough cos those post-edits are so crucial when you can't perform everything!
For tuning oscillators I use the tuner in Ableton Live. You could do the same with Cubase.
Local Technique indeed
Sometimes I even just use my phone… any tuning app will do. Pro tip: with the right mixer, e.g. WMD Performance, you can use the CUE out and plug that into your tuner (e.g. Mordax Data) and in that way route any of your mix inputs (VCOs) into the tuner.
The best way to think about the Seq Switch is as a train track switch. Imagine 4 train tracks merging into 1. Only one train can pass at a time and sending a trigger allows a different train from the group of 4 to pass to the single track. And it also works the other way around allowing a train from the single track to choose which of the 4 it goes to.
Haven't been following that closely but it seems despite your earlier assumptions (protestations?) you now have three full racks of delicious fun!
Great vid BTW
Sometimes VenetianSnare-ish..Sometimes Aurelia-esque.. I really like your style! Thank you!
Finally the conclusion, now I know how a track comes about. Great video and a very simple explanation of how to make a track. This inspires me to noodle more with my setup.
Is there a video of the ADAT and 8 output setup, I am thinking do I need that or should i just go gor a multi input soundcard like 8i8?
Thanks! Yes I talk about it in the the Audiofuse review and in the other parts of Episode 18. I’m using Adat simply because that’s what I have. A bigger interface would offer the same thing.
Thanks for this Robin, it's amazing. On a lighter note though.
Does it have 3 VFO'S....
Does it have drums, and lots of clocks.....
Do we have the machine that goes Bing?
Loved it, but couldn't resist.
Once again a very good and informative video! What is wrong with using the beatstep pro for creation of tracks ? I don't see much difference with another sequencer in the rack like the Hermod you have at the bottom right. Curious to see/hear the rest.
Nothing at all. It’s just that I said I wouldn’t 😊
That was amazing! I was really interested in how the hell the Eurorack would factor into DAWs such as Bitwig. I noticed you mentioned a couple of times that you were not interested in spending too much time in front of the computer for the DAW mixing part. Is that the end goal for you: to minimize the PC/DAW time because it's uninteresting? Every DAW seems to give you a million different things you can do with it, then over time, one tends to have a ton of plugins to choose from as well. It does seem like you can spend oodles of time in the DAW space just chunking away at all the different things they offer.
Also, there did seem to be something really interesting about the way the Eurorack can generate music the way it does & I'm very impressed with your applied creativity at making them sound pleasing to the ears. :) Usually, when I mess with synths, the sounds I produce make me cringe & I want to switch it off immediately.
But one idea I've found particularly striking from observing your performances with the Eurorack is that you could use them to generate initial musical ideas.
First, build the proto-tune in the Eurorack.
Next, send off the audio and/or MIDI into the DAW.
Next, start changing tracks around to use sampled instruments, perhaps apply some music theory/re-harmonization.
In the end, you have a conventional tune to build upon, or a hybrid electronic/analog piece.
PS: I just ordered my ROLI Seaboard. Time to pull the trigger on Bitwig... :| ...tonight or perhaps tomorrow.
Many people use Eurorack as a sound source - record bits into a daw, slice and dice and build from there. That’s all cool and I may do that at some point. But for me at the moment I’m interested in playing the rack like an instrument and capturing those performances. I’ve always had a problem with finishing tracks and this has been a real antidote to that. Another factor would be that once you incorporate virtual stuff it becomes more of a faff - you have to be tuned correctly and in sync and that all gets in the way. However I am definitely missing pads and strings though 😊
In this case by adjusting the mixer knob you change the range of your sequence not transposing :)
Could be
For the "ping"... wouldn't a very slow LFO with a very narrow pulse width do the trick?
Did you persevere with the sequencer on the Mother 32, or don't you need it? I'm getting to grips with the controls. I know that some key combinations should be pressed for the right duration, otherwise the unit doesn't always behave as you'd expect. Note the KB CV output could be useful as another source in your setup.
Not really - i have other things that are much easier to use, although all sorts of things come into play once you get noodling.
I recently got started building a modular and have two VCOs. I always bump the fine or course knob on my uBraids and feel like I spend all of my time retuning the VCOs together and drains any in-the-moment creativity. Is there an easy way to keep things in tune?
Not really, just leave the oscillator alone :)
Also get used to tuning by ear - be less fussy about it.
Hi Robin! I just bought my first case (thanks to your videos!!) and I´m still searching for my first modules. Is there a special modul you are using to get with 8 channels out of your rack via adat?
Not a special one no. I just take outputs from the VCA or delay or the Rosie until I’ve filled at 8 inputs on my Adat converter. You could use an Expert Sleepers ES6 (I think) as the converter.
ah ok thanks! It´s still hard for me to understand how some things are working before getting really into it..I guess there is no better way then learning by doing..! Cheers
Good stuff :) what is the touch screen you have on the desk btw?
Acer T232HL
This is brilliant. I am after years of playing traditional synths, moving into the eurorack world and I am very excited. Now where do I start?
With Episode 1!
Already done.
Modular performances are like water down the creek of of... audio liquid reality. 🤷🏻♂️🤪✨
Thanks for these great series! Really good insights for beginners (hellooo).
*Is the video kinda glitchy at times or am I going Mr.Robot-crazy?
Cheers! Wasn’t aware of any glitches
@@MoltenMusicTech It was my phone, don't worry! It plays flawlessly now.
Cool that looks amazing. After I get a handle on my Elektron gear and first semi modular, will venture into building my first small basic Eurorack setup with VCA, VCO, filter, and Envelope with case/power. I think for most the Octatrack or another similar sequencer would really help a lot on building tracks with modular gear. My Elektron Analog 4 connects to CV modular and can do a lot of sequencing duty easier in tracks and patterns. But I know you find Elektron gear cold :-)
Its not gone unless you take a high res photo of your setup (patch). Then you can repatch it. :)
ahh the crack!
my approach to this issue is to plug each voice separately into my sound card
i use the BOSS tuner from my phone
I'm just SO inspired! Love your videos! Keep up your good modular work!!! Nothin' in the tele? Check out Molten Modular and get stuck!
Tuning - I use the Boss Chromatic Tuner TU-3 on my Android mobile phone. It's a Free app.
Yeah, the Disting tuner worked it's just that things still didn't sound right once they were running together and needed a bit of tweaking
Molten Music Technology yes you always need to tweak the tuning to obtain that classic saw tooth drift if you have more than one VCO.
I recently began using hardware synths after 10 years of VSTs. During that ten years I only used presets. The plug-in windows were too small and cluttered for me to understand anything. Plus when you have 200 synths and 5,000 presets; what's the point?
When I took the hardware plunge I had an "ah ha" moment that lasted months. Synths finally made sense. The joy of manipulating an object to get original sound is unparalleled.
Still, it's taken me a few months to let go of the "time capsule" approach; where every aspect of a project is frozen in time and recalled with a click. I tried very hard to bring that approach to hardware but soon realized it was holding me back. Soon after I all but abandoned presets.
I appreciate the practice of modular for precisely this reason. There are no presets. There is no recall and tweak. A patch can take hours/days. Then to make a new patch you must abandon the previous one. Making a track is an exercise in creating, destroying and creating again. It's straight up zen.
Amen to that
What are you using to record?
I’m recording into my Surface Pro - it’s all in the videos 😊
Right, yes, I saw that, but it looks like you're recording multi-track, right? If so, what interface are you using? How many tracks are you recording at once?
Yes. I'm taking 8 audio signals from the rack into a Behringer Ultragain ADA8200 ADAT converter. That is then taking 8 channels of ADAT lightpipe to the Arturia AudioFuse ADAT In, which is the audio interface on my Surface. I thought i'd gone into in episode 18, but actually i did it in my AudioFuse review here - czcams.com/video/mWlb8fHCS04/video.html
Awesome, thanks! I'll check the video out. Awesome series, too, BTW. Not usually in to long-format videos, but I've been enjoying watching while cooking, etc. :)
Gimme a shout if ya fancy letting me remix a track of yours :) Your choice of track.
Thanks! If i ever have a properly finished track :)
First :P
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How much did that piece of electronic junk cost and how can the cost be justified? I just can't afford to pay the stupid prices these manufacturers demand. It's as bad now as it was back when Gary Numan started out and you were talking the guts of thousands of pounds back then in the 70's.
Oh, i don't know, about as much as Pro Tools and a decent audio interface, or a Rickenbacker Fireglo 381/V69, or half the price of a decent mixing console. Why are you looking for justification? There has never been a time when synthesis technology is so darn cheap. Modular synths cost 10s of thousands of pounds when the New Model Army were making a noise. You can pick up little synths for under 100 quid and start from there. I'm very lucky in that about a third of my rack is on loan from various manufacturers. Eurorack is an expensive hobby - but far cheaper and more accessible than it's ever been. The prices are fair considering what goes into them and who makes them - you can get a rack together much cheaper if you fancy doing the soldering yourself. It's just a weird comment man - we do what we like :)
If you plan on buying all of the parts all at once, it is expensive. I buy a module a month, maybe. You can get good deals on things through ebay or reverb or facebook selling groups. Unlike a $2000 dollar synth, though, you can get it bit by bit and use those bits as you can afford them. I can't buy a prophet 8, but I can buy 12 parts that i can mix and match one at a time.
Molten Music Technology Thanks for the response but don't think of my comment as "weird" but more as "outside the box". I like to ask questions no one else thinks about but still be interesting enough to provide an alternative angle. I'm also a big Gary Numan fan so It's been interesting to see how he's managed to make a recent comeback with today's technology. (Gary and I also share Aspergers traits) I think my obsession over how much it costs has been fueld by being spoilt by eBay but even a Jupiter 8 or a CS80 second hand people are asking stupid amounts of money. Why aren't the likes of Casio, Yamaha, Korg and Roland putting these yesteryear synth back in production as there is obviously a demand for them? What would be "really" great would be if the manufacturers of these new euro racks could make them more easily accessible by hire or provide more affordable options to ownership, it would generate a healthier interest in sound design instead of just a nichè rich kids plaything.