NEW & Best Laser on the Market??? - The New Milwaukee M12 Cross Line and 4-Points Laser (3624-21)
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- In this video I review the newly released Milwaukee M12™ Green Cross Line & 4-Points Laser. This thing has all features we've been asking for. In this video we go over all the key features and do some side by side laser comparison to show you just how visible this laser is.
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00:00 - Intro to M12 Laser Review
00:20 - Dewalt vs Milwaukee Laser Comparison
01:06 - M-12 Laser Improvements and Features
01:29 - Laser Visibility Comparison
02:33 - Laser Locking & Tilt Feature
03:58 - Magnetic Mount and Micro Adjustment
05:30 - 4 Dot, Plumb & Level Dots Overview
06:58 - Ruggedness & Durability
07:31 - Johnson Bracket Mounting
08:56 - Final Thoughts / Recommendation
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I’ve been looking forward to this review for a while. Will watch with some popcorn tonight:)
I purchased this laser and have used it outside with great results, I got it on a Milwaukee promo day, it came with a 4.0 battery, charger and case . I'm very impressed with the ease of use and accuracy. A must have, like all tools right !
Glad you made a review on this. I was just looking at purchasing one the other day
Another helpful tool . Thanks have a Merry Christmas
Tks M. Lewis for this review. Just love the M12 products, light and effective. Be well
I have also been using the Dewalt 3 plane 12volt for years, along with a Bosch 2 plane which I love but get tired of constantly having to replace AA batteries.I have been checking into that same Milwaukee one for a couple weeks and ordered one this morning.Ironically just saw you're video a few hours later , after watching feel better about my choice.Another great video and real job site tool reviews, keep it up.Have a Happy Holiday.
Awesome Review. Took me an hour to find a legit review by someone who seems like a pro cheers
I was recently looking at these almost got one now that I've seen you review I'm in. I use mostly Milwaukee but have never used one of there lasers. Helps to have someone hands on explain features. Appreciate you. Merry Christmas
I love your channel. I ALWAYS learn something. It never fails to surprise me how much you know coupled with how young you are. I must have been very lazy! I like your tool reviews, and have often followed up on your reviews by buying one thing or another. Often, however, the tools you recommend are better suited to a professional, who can gain value from these tools. This laser looks great, and useful, but not for my home shop when I consider its price. Keep up the good work! Im not getting this tool, but I still learned a lot!
Thanks Spencer for the review. I just bought the Milwaukee 3 plane laser a couple weeks ago when my Bosch GLL 2-20 (red beam) gave up the ghost. I researched the other Milwaukee laser options and decided to spend the extra money and go with the 3 plane which provides a plumb point as you explained in your review. I have an equal amount of DeWalt and Milwaukee tools so I wouldn't consider taking on a third battery platform to save on the initial purchase of another brand. I use my Fast Cap 3rd Hand and magnetic mount with no problems. Although it does require me to mount the laser at 90 degrees on the mount due to the increased laser size, but that doesn't change a thing.
Good overall review, Thanks
I picked this one up recently too. Love it!
A few months back in the summer when it was raining every day I pulled up at customers house and driveway was full so I had to pull my truck up in yard right by the street. I started unloading and it was raining pretty good and I picked up my Bosch telescoping pole off for my laser level off the back of the truck and the pivoting end-cap of the pole that touches the ceiling fell off ..... it falls right on the side of the street where the water is channeled and starts floating down the street and there was a gutter about 15 feet ahead and then it all hit me ..... this is just like the book "IT" by Stephen King! If it had gone into the gutter theres no doubt I would have heard " Hey Laser Boy. I see you lost your pole cap. What a shame.. Hey I'll give it back to you!." coming from that gutter.
Great info and coming from you, I really trust it. Its pricey, but I have experienced several times it would have been really handy to have one!
Love the videos. Best carpenter on CZcams
I’ve been using the DeWalt three plane laser and I have often wished that they had vertical plumbing bench-marks; however, I’m still not sure if the loss of the third reference line is a viable trade off. Great review Spencer, I’ve dealt with many of the other issues you have encountered with the DeWalt but it still a great value compared to Stabila and Bosch. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
I’ve been using the Leica lino l6g paired with fastcaps laser jamb for the past year have zero complaints and it is very versatile
Awesome. Getting one!
I was using an old Bosch redline laser and when it came time to switch the green line laser options seemed slim especially for the cost. I ended up getting a heuspar (sp?) 3 plane laser off Amazon which is serviceable. I don’t think it is as bright as the Milwaukee but it was less than half the price and it has the third plane. I don’t often use the third plane but when you need it, you really need it.
That thing is huge. I use a Bosch that takes two "AA" Batteries and it fits right in my bags
I see you have the ludwig bit holder on your drill. I love it and have them on all my drills/drivers. I'm surprised I don't see more people post videos about it. I also have the Bitmag on my M12 screwdriver.
I like the plumb dot. that is a time saver
That's a crisp line that will Be in the box soon
Glue a metal sheet cut to size on to your Johnson Bracket and just use the magnets on the Milwaukee and don't worry about the knob.
Or you can make your own Johnson Bracket out of timber that works the same way, and you will have the benefit of having a flat surface to stick to the wall.
I just use a small piece of MDF with metal sheet stuck to it and I use 3M Command Strips to hang on the customers wall, when finished I just pull down on the Command Strips and it comes off with no damage to the wall, no glue residue.
Hi Spencer you should look into the Milwaukee Tool 360-Degree Quick Connect Laser Mount is also come with a magnet on the back and it works really well
Milwaukee product planners have done a great job.
Sounds like a lot of you guys haven't heard of huepar... Chinese lasers but they kick ass. And they're cheap! I've had mine for a little over a year and it's still going strong. I can also control the beams with my phone
Right! I was super skeptical at first but I'm now sold. I've had 2 for about a year and they kick ass. Outside they aren't the best but I just saw they have a receiver for 50 bucks or so. Its got led screen and the fast/slow/flatline sounds.
Thanks for the info, I was about to look it up but the comment below is a deal breaker... need to see it outside
I have the DeWalt 2-plane that takes AA batteries and it's a decent laser but changing the batteries constantly is starting to get old. Always have M12 batteries (and Makita) and getting that sort of run time would be nice. Also the plumb dots would come in handy. Looks like I'm buying this.
I have a tripod that I use occasionally to mount mine, but most of the time I just screw a metal strap to the wall or clamp it along a door opening or something.
M12 surge is my go to
Milwaukee makes another solid project, no surprise there. Also another great video by insider carpentry, love your content. If you’re also looking for great lasers and willing to spend big money, it’s really hard to beat Hilti and Spectra. Both companies in my opinion make the best lasers.
I like the Bosch 12v tools their laser is great nice app to turn it on and off when it’s out of reach
I use 3 Dewalt lasers all day, every day. And 2 of my primary builders just went to all plastic drywall corner bead to save money, and now my lasers have nowhere to stick to… Can hardly remember how to do my job without them lol
I switched from the 2 plane Dewalt Green Laser to the 3 plane Milwaukee green laser. I love the fine adjustment mechanism and the m12 battery. I was in the same situation. Lots of m12 tools and only 1 12volt dewalt tool. However, the dewalt laser was stronger/brighter making it easier seeing under daylight. It wasn't a huge difference, just enough to be noticeable.
That being said, I can't believe you're giving up a 3 plane for a 2 plane. I rarely use the 3rd plane, but when I do it's worth every penny.
He’s not giving up the three plane.. he still has the dewalt three plane in his arsenal for those rare circumstances this is just becoming his go to laser.
Pulled layout on a 20x40' exterior deck and could still see the green level-line. Plus, it's a one-man read
instead of two, like with my old Sight-Pro. --- Spencer is telling the truth. ---
Hi Spence, thanks for taking the time for another great video! What about square? I've been thinking of buying a PLS but would rather have an all in 1 if this will do the trick.
BTW... Thanks for sharing about the Johnson bracket, really nice, I wonder if they have a new base out that off sets for the Milwaukee laser?
Spence, just make fasten a wooden extension to the Johnson bracket and fasten the laser to the bracket
HUGE Milwaukee fan and have all their products. That laser level looks amazing although wish they had an option for a receiver as well for using outdoors on a really sunny day. Maybe it’s in the works.
They have a receiver
Huepar 3 plane 360 degree, three point micro adjust base with USB C charging is 1/3 the price. Then when it falls of a ladder you just buy a new one.
Those are garbage. Bought one and it broke the 2nd time I used it
@@evictioncarpentry2628 Had mine for 6 months already. No problems. Reviews are excellent.
Had my huepar for almost 2 years has served me well
I've owned spectra, dewalt, and bosch in the past. I now have 2 huepars and I'm loving them! Haven't had a single issue after almost a year of use. Even tested them against other brands with better results. They aren't very good outside though, tough to see....but I just found out that they sell the receiver for like 50 bucks! Gonna be a game changer. Of course I'd double check it against the transit before I start cutting studs and posts. Lol
I've been using g a Stabila green line.I like a tripod for for cabinet install
Nice review, Spencer. Was just wondering - I notice the beam crosses your face at several points. Do you have to be careful of that or is just not an issue? Thanks.
Without seeing the Johnson bracket issue clearly, I’d consider adding a larger steel platform (drill and tap 1/4”-20 flat double gang or round electrical cover plate) or some other arrangement using thin steel surface over luan (double stick tape) blind nutted to the platform to improve the fit of the Milwaukee with the Johnson bracket.
Would like it to have a vertical adjustment also.
Love the milwaukee lasers.
Used to use the bosch laser but switched to milwaukee about 1 /2 years ago.
Highly recommend the green 3plane 360 laser. They also have mounts to give vertical adjustment in addition to the built in side to side adjustment.
This unit also has a plumb feature that says in 0lace when using side adjustment.
I install cabinets and trim for a living and absolutely love using it.
Love this level....but man does it break the bank!! $$🤫
Looks like it's good tool, even approaching the quality and features of the Bosch green triple beam. Unfortunately the milwaukee is missing a key feature that I use frequently and that's the ability to put it right up against a wall to be able to preshim the entire wall.
Not familiar with preshimming... What is that?
@@aptpupil making a wall ultra flat by adding shim strips to make up for any warped studs. Can be a necessity in renovation where the original framing is all over the place. Especially ceilings where you have long spans with crowned joists in varying degrees. Carpenters will nail 2x or 1x battens at 90 degrees across the entire ceiling at regular intervals. Then they can shim down the high spots to bring the ceiling into dead flat. A laser will give you a constant flat reference plane that you can measure your framing by.
For anyone thinking of getting the Milwaukee 3 plane level it has an issue. It has blind spots on the turrets which get bigger over distance. It was a deal breaker for me so I sold mine.
Same. I had a Bosch 3-plane. Bought the Milwaukee 3-plane. Didn’t like the blind spot. Sold it. Went to the 2 plane. Haven’t looked back.
@@719vol the 2 plane, was it a Milwaukee? How have you been finding it until now?
@@ghas4151 we have both in the van now. The 2-plane Stabila or Milwaukee are my go to for most jobs. No complaints. Previous lasers we’ve owned are Bosch & Dewalt. Prefer the Milwaukee or the Stabila. Mil gets the winning you are already in the 12v battery platform.
Or adding a metal plate for the m12 magnet to the back of the Johnson jig might do the trick.
Love your videos and appreciate your expertise. Would you consider adding recommendations for the diyers when it comes to tools? So far everything I’ve seen you recommend is much too expensive for those of us not in the trade. I know you’re a professional and are speaking to professionals but you also have a diy following too 😊. Needing a level with the plumb feature, nail gun for baseboard, picture rail, crown, and hardwood treads and risers and possibly an orbital sander. All will be for a remodel so dust collection is important and battery operated so I don’t need a compressor. Thank you
It's hard for me to because I typically try and use the best of the best tools and don't have much experience with mid tier tools.
Do you find that this is limiting when compared to the 3 plane laser? I’m deciding whether a cross line will be enough to do things like fitting kitchens and wall decorative paneling.
Huepar has done everything I've asked it to lots and lots of hours on it for a fraction of the cost.
Unless I’m missing something, it’s not 360, 3 plane though.
I use a Bosch. It’s the only Bosch I have besides it and a belt sander.
It has a micro adjust vertical mount that can stand alone or be mounted to a tripod or the telescopic pole.
About 4-5 inches of travel on that mount.
I think the Bosch is still the one to be beat. I especially like the blue tooth option so when it's mounted up high on a pole or anywhere for that matter, you can turn it off without touching the unit. This is something I use all the time. Nice to see Milwaukee coming up with new ideas though.
Pacific Laser Systems are G.O.A.T. They are what all the others copy. Having used them for years. I can attest to their quality.
Awesome video. I have the Dewalt 3x360 and it did break after the tripod got knocked over when it was about 3 feet off the ground so I can vouch for it not being very fall proof and wondering if rubber over moulding would have helped the impact
Nice stair
Could you compare the skill 360 green laser. Yes it's a very cost effective option but I want to see what the line looks like compared to those more expensive ones. I can't afford the Milwaukee yet but wondering if it may be worth it
8:46 I was going to say that Milwaukee makes a bracket that adjusts vertical but the reviews are not good so idk if it is worth looking into.
I personally want and need the style of dewalt. The full 360 vertical and horizontal 3 plane...
I would think you could make a base extension out of scrap plywood or 1x and just add a threaded insert and another knob to extend it out to give it room to swivel. May be worth a shot, cheap work around. I've been eying this laser as I also have a decent amount of M12 tools, thanks for the thorough review.
I have 2 Milwaukee laser levels. Get yourself a metal closet rod (oval). I screw or tape it to the wall and can just slide the laser up and down to adjust the height. Those magnets are no joke. I've never had mine fall, and I run the larger 360 laser with a 6.0 battery. It works great for closet shelves and built ins. Enjoy your holidays!
That’s genius
@@BackwoodBurner4000 I always saw people dicking around with tripods and figured there had to be a better way. It also keeps pencil marks and chalk lines off the painted walls. I try to make the painters that follow me happy. Not much higher endorsement for a trim carpenter than from a painter!
Nice review… You just sold one…I’ve been waiting for this… I am now going to retire my Dewalt after years of service
TOO BAD CHRISTMAS IS OVER....GREAT REVIEW SPENCER AND TIMELY FOR ME AS OLD RED IS NEARLY DEAD.....
Leica is the ticket when it comes to lasers.
You could just make an aluminum plate for your bracket that has two tapped holes to move your level out farther. I'm gonna look into that level.
Also, they do make a Dewalt 20v level kit and it's reviews look really good. Cheaper too.
Hi Spencer…Great video…What tripod do you use with the Milwaukee laser? I saw some bad reviews on the Milwaukee tripod….
I don't even use a tripod. I have a piece of flat steel that I fasten to the wall and I use the magnets to hang it. Makes it easy to adjust.
@@InsiderCarpentry Cool…Thanks
Totally appreciate your review. I've been hearing good things about this laser. A few years ago I had heard a really good review of a huepar. Bit the bullet and paid I think 240 for the deluxe kit. It has the adjustable base, well multiple actually and magnetics and micro-adjust bases. It also has a remote control fob that actually works incredibly well and I never knew I needed it until I had it. I can turn it off and on and change plans of the laser without touching it, which is Hella nice if you spent 10 15 minutes trying to get it just right... But boy I sure would like something that works off the same batteries I'm using everywhere else! However it hasn't really been a problem, because the you power comes with 2 batteries and I haven't had them run out in the middle of a job yet 😋. That being said, it's a super bright laser with a lot of functionality, the batteries are really the only drawback to it. Just wanted to give a quick little review of that for all your other watchers as well:)
The remote control fob is literally a game-changer that I never knew would be as wonderful as it is to have😂
as a pro, I quit playing the battery game a couple years ago, so glad I did. I Just buy the best technology (tool) and give no regard to what batteries the device uses. When buying tools, it all sums up to buying time... We could go back to using water levels 😃
Huepar is a red flag for me
Generic Chinese brand: strike #1
It only includes ONE battery: strike #2
And you can't buy batteries separately: Strike #3, out
Another Huepar owner here. Very satisfied. So satisfied, I bought another one. Sometimes it's nice to have both going from different places. And I REALLY like the price difference. Everyone's in love with a brand name, when the tool was probably made in the same factory.
Link for the bracket? I really need a good strong one unfortunately Milwaukee's is plastic cheap and cant hold the 3 plane laser well
How many planes does that micro adjustment work in? Just up and down? Side to side could be great. Sounds like you're gaining quite a bit over the DeWalt with this one (I have that one and have always been frustrated you couldn't lock it) but you do lose the 360 plane, it's only forward shooting it seems, correct?
Correct. The micro adjustment just rotates on its horizontal pivot point.
One quick question why did you go for this over the 360 laser?
how'd you get your tripod to do that?! 😉
3D print a new bracket for the Johnson base
Try the m12 surge drill yet? Best tool in my opinion!!
I have one. I like the noise level but it doesn't have any feel when driving screws.
Is this lazed works for ground leveling or no ?
😮 almost $600😮
Virtually the same as the Makita 4 point laser that has been out for more than 2+ years now (Makita SK106GDZ), except the Makita uses a 12v battery to keep the weight and size down (they do make an 18v adapter though, which I don't much care for). I wish they did an 18v direct though but people in the field apparently appreciate the smaller battery size.
The problem with all of these forward projecting laser levels, is that they only project forward of the laser level and only project 2 planes, which means you cannot obtain a 360 degree all at once projection for each plane.
If you are working forward facing of the device only, then any of these forward projecting laser level brands are more than adequate, choose on laser brightness/projection distance and accuracy and of course battery lock-in.
In terms of accuracy, Makita lists as more accurate, but seriously 3.18mm over 10m (Milwaukee) vs 3 mm over 10m (Makita) would literally be statistical noise. The Milwaukee units list as good for 38m vs 35 for the Makita units, although reviews tend to favor the Makita, but that's subjective.
If you are trying to put in something like a raised floor or a drop ceiling, the Makita SK700GD allows the full 360 projection all at once so you get a level across the whole room all at once. Milwaukee M123PLA401C is similar with 3 planes but it's more awkward to use than the Makita.
Personal opinion:
Curse these tools makers for never coming up with a universal battery standard.
I know why they don't do it, but even Apple with it's lightning connector got told to pull it's head in by the EU recently, it's past time these tool manufacturers faced a similar directive.
Great vid. So how old is your camera man
40ish
He’s older than u.
@8:50 It looks like typical camera mount. You can probably pick up a Hot Shoe Extension, Microphone Mount bar to extend the laser a few inches off the bracket. It's definitely brighter than the dewalt, that's for sure. Have a Blessed Christmas!
Hello. Thanks for the review. I am in the market for a laser level and have M12 stuff already. I'm a novice when it comes to laser levels. I've seen other levels have (3) 360 degree planes. This one does not have it. Will I be missing something ? Thanks in advance.
I would definitely upgrade to the 360 laser. I have the M12 3 beam 360 laser also and love it. The 360 has become my preferred laser.
I really wish to buy it but outside US is hard to find it 😞
And Amazon does not have it either.
What ear protection is that?
Is it better than the hilti pm-30 green laser?
Seems like as most tech devices get smaller, laser levels just get bigger. The 2 horizontal dots seem useless. Why would you need them when you have a horizontal line? I use a LT52G thas has a 5 point dot that I use often to transer a line point 90 degrees because it has a forward dot and 2 on the sides, and the up and down along with the vertical and horizontal solid lines. If you aligned the vertical dot on a point, then aligned the horizontal dots on your line thhat you want to transfer square, can you use the vertical line as another aligngment point to make a square?
😲😲😲 WOW
What's the difference between the M12 12-Volt Lithium-Ion Cordless Green 250 ft. 3-Plane Laser Level, and 3624-21 (M12 12-Volt Lithium-Ion Cordless Green Cross Line and 4-Points Laser), the model you're doing the review on? My understanding they both have plumb capability...
ToolReviewZone just released a video showing Milwaukee is coming out with a 12 ft adjustable pole accessory for their lasers. Might be the solution you’re looking for Spencer
How old is DeWalt laser?!?!Try to compare them both brand new(I did) and DeWalt is better all way long
I see Home Depot has the version without the horizontal plumb dots for $50 less.
Wait a minute... Dewalt has had a 20v for a year...... I have used both. the new is amazing....
You've probably addressed this in the feed of another video so I apologize for any redundancy, but why have you opted to go with so many M12 tools? I know some of the stuff - the laser and the small sander - come in the M12 format, but don't you find you're lacking drive power on drills? Great review, btw.
Most of the drilling applications I do are not power intensive. I wanted to try a more compact size and feel.
How’s the detail sander?
Love it. I'm planning a review on that soon.
I'm surprised the Milwaukee base doesn't come off. My Hilti let's you take it off the microadjust base so you can use other accessories.
Price?
I want to know how you said laser that many times without once sounding like dr evil or at least air quotes
All the jokes and one liners definitely crossed my mind. LOL "It's a fricken laser beam" LOL
@@InsiderCarpentry haha nice at least you gave it some thought. Merry Xmas
I would love to know why you chose to switch from DeWalt drills to the M 12 line from Milwaukee. I value your opinion but it looks like you won't answer email questions.
Size and weight. That's about it. Honestly it probably wasn't worth spending the money to switch.
How does it work outside?
They come with a target which highlights the line. They aren't really meant for outside use.
I don't understand how the 12v battery on the dewalt laser is a problem when it uses the same charger as the 20v batteries.
It's not the end of the world, more of an annoyance. I explained, it was the only dewalt 12v tool/battery I owned. I have many M12 tools and growing.
Only having one battery and not having multiple batteries to be able to rotate while you’re charging others can definitely be a little disruptive with your workflow. Collecting a bunch of batteries to operate one tool doesn’t make much sense.
Milwaukee blows away DeWalt all day and then some. I was never a fan of DeWalt tools. I've had some but I was a Bosch guy till a year ago. I have switched out 90% of my tools to Milwaukee and growing. I'm anxious to get a Milwaukee track saw set, a miter box, and maybe a Jobsite table saw. With your skills you should make your own wall bracket.
I have this laser level best laser that i have and sold my bosh laser lever
CIGMAN Laser Level Self Leveling 3x360° 3D Green Cross Line for Construction and Picture Hanging, Rechargeable battery, Remote Controller, Magnetic Rotating Stand Included
Dang! For SIX HUNDRED BUCKS it better do cartwheels and sing show tunes!
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Why not add a metal plate to the mount on your bracket. And don't use the screw on point.
For $549? I've noticed all the products you push are the top 95th percentile in price. Granted, you are an exceptional carpenter, but amazing things have been done by carpenters for hundreds of years. This sort of sales is absolutely detrimental to the advancement of the trade, in my opinion.
I disagree. My installations are extremely expensive both in material and labor. You need to have an extremely reliable laser that can be trusted. I won’t use anything less than a very good quality laser.
Yea I work on non profit remodel-low end low budget work. His tools are still in line with the vast majority of the guys I work with. Because time and quality is paramount for our projects. I like this channel for that reason-he is real world in my opinion. Also his response there is 💯