Born in 1972, I grew up and still live in Namibia, Africa. Growing up we had them all, from a series 1 (Which was still doing daily work on the farm until we sold her about 4 years ago) all the way through to the Defender Puma. On the farm we still have a Series IIa in daily use. I have a Defender Puma 2.4L, but my all-time favorite, and still my daily driver, is my 1996 TDi300. It has about 400 000KM on the clock. She starts first time every time. Obviously with a puff of black smoke. So, I'm bias, emotionally connected, but both the TDi300 and the TD5 sounds like a Landy should sound. For those of you who have Landies, remember to always wave at other Landies and to those who does not have one, sorry.
Pros of the 300 tdi. A completely mechanical engine that can be mechanically upgraded to 2.8, bulletproof engine, easy maintenance, parts available all over the world. Cons - slow engine, terrible cooling temperature sensor (needs to install a madman or something similar) That's a win to me ahahaha
The fuel economy for what is basically a brick is amazing for both of these. But that over 30mpg... oh yes! It makes it the perfect backroads cruiser. I tend to stay off highways now anyways, enjoying the slower, but more fun to drive back roads. Sure, it takes more time, but it tends to have the better scenery and as I said, a LOT more fun to drive. Cheers!
In Australia, we also got the Isuzu 3.9 4BD1T which kills both engines, especially in terms of carrying or pulling any serious loads. Fully mechanical which trumps the Td5. Best engine ever put in a Defender from factory. BMW M57 conversion is probably the best all round engine.
yes the 4bd1t is by far the best engine in a landrover but those models where never called a defender. they where a county, or 110 or was it 130? aswell as the army perentie
@@NewtonInDaHouseYo it is a truck engine, all about the torque delivery, literally from idle. I have owned Rover V8s, 300Tdi and Td5 and the Isuzu beats them all, especially for heavily ladened, off-road work. The following is worth a watch: czcams.com/video/GHG91FpOQ9k/video.html
They've been compared many-a-time in the past. Comments posted were usually......... ''Td5 for power and noise'' ''Tdi for simplicity a.k.a fix with a spanner and hammer'' Personally, I would have the 5 pot over the 4 and some Td5 engines DO get converted into older Land Rover's believe it or not 🙂 200/300Tdi's will always be legends though 🤜🤛
Td5 FTW! It’s even better if you own a Nanocom to remap it and to troubleshoot electrical issues. Cheers from a Land Rover Enthusiast American living in England! 🇺🇸🏴
Fair play, that 300Tdi is as clean as a whistle under acceleration. We’ve owned several Tdis (and a Td5) here in the U.K. and the Tdis were all real smokers. Great video, nice to see U.K. Defenders going on to a second life in the US 👍🏻
Depending on the year of your Tdi’s they might of had egr valves fitted. Certainly on the later ones. And like with every engine with egr smoke is compulsory unless you’re prepared to clean/buy new every two year. Good for the environment though so the boffins tell us! 🤥🙄
Added a bigger inter cooler and a single baffle stainless exhaust to my 300tdi and had it tuned as far as a mechanical turbo can be and it goes really well. Maybe not as quick as a td5 but very respectable. I would agree it is easy to maintain and parts are generally cheap. However lets face it if someone offered you a Defender and it may be a tdi or a TD5 I’d be happy to take either.
Both can be easily tuned for more power and torque, Td5 can make silly bhp, Td5 nicer to drive, tdi easier to work on. The tdi will also work after a nuke has detonated and run on 50/50 cooking oil .... Not sure a drag race was much of a test, 30-50 in 4th might have shown more. 👍
I had a 300tdi for years, and I loved it. I've had my current Td5 for years.. and I love it more. Smoother, more powerful, easy to work on and if you look after it trouble-free. .
Having being a Land Rover mechanic and worked on both these engines/cars I would take the 300tdi, as long as the timing belt modification has been carried out. You got the odd rear water pump gasket and exhaust manifold gasket leaks ( both which can be replaced in 2 hours) the tdi will run for ever. The td5 which had an over complicated injection system (injectors inside the cylinder head) engine harness/ecu failures and head gaskets going, all of which took hours/days to fix. Yes the td5 was faster, (a 90 pick up with a td5 was quicker than the old 3.9 v8) but you could get a 300tdi up to 25mph in low range going from 1st through to 3rd gear without touching the throttle.
I keep hearing this "The good thing about a 300tdi is that it's all mechanical" stuff but the truth is that if you can fix a 300tdi it's just as likely you can fix a TD5. Sure, there ARE things that can go wrong with a TD5 which you won't be able to fix but, y'know, the same applies to a 300tdi. I've had 2.25 petrol Land Rovers, 2.5 diesels, 300tdis and TD5s and, given the choice, I'd take a TD5 every time. It is, IMO, the best engine LR ever put in a vehicle. Realistically, you can forget about all the "weak points" of the TD5 (warping exhaust manifolds, head gasket problems, injector loom problems etc) because they're all fixable and the 300tdi has comparable flaws of it's own. The ONLY real deal-breaker about the TD5 is that the injectors can be damaged by bad fuel. It's a modern engine, it has has high-performaance injectors and bad fuel will kill them within a few hundred miles whereas a 300tdi is a more crude engine so it'll continue to plod along even if the injectors are shot to hell. If I was planning on driving around sketchy bits of Africa for months, I'd pick a 300tdi. In countries where the fuel is good quality, the TD5 leaves the 300tdi for dead every time.
@@DoctorBrodski Yep, the TD5 is a proper electronically controlled engine but the electronics have never been a weak point of the engine. It certainly DOES have electrical issues such as, for example, the (in)famous problem with oil getting into the injector harness and causing poor running, but they're all well-known things that are usually easy to diagnose and cheap to repair - similar to maintaining a 300tdi engine but you'll be tinkering with electrical stuff instead of mechanical stuff. It's very rare for a TD5 to suffer a serious electronic fault that can't be diagnosed and repaired with a bit of googling and watching a couple of youtube videos. ... and now I've said that, I guess I can expect my ECU to snuff it soon. 😖
i own a '00 td5 (120k km), td5 are much easier to tune (with a ecu ramap there is an easy 30hp gain), personally with a rebuilded and modified original turbo, large intercooler, straight pipe, filter and a proper tune it is eays to reach close to 200hp (crank). the 300 tdi is good too but probably a modified fuel pump is needed too.
That td5 is tuned, the difference should not be that big on stock engines. Also the odometer of the tdi has been tempered with, that is why you could not read correctly the partial KM. The td5 engine is non recondicionable. As soon as you have a problem in the block, it is a new block. You should import those cars from Spain or Portugal because they have much less rust not to mention they are LHD.
The odometer and trip are separate. Sometimes when you press the post to reset the trip it doesn’t scroll back all the way and gets stuck between digits. That’s all. Odometer is legit and unmolested. You’re welcome to check MOT history.
with a boost pin and ring and tweaked pump id say economys probably similar, the td5s clearly been remapped and fucked with so kinda an unfair test, also bin that steering wheel its cheap pvc plastic and easily bendable good video overall however, pop the ecu apart of the td5 it should be socketed or atleast resolderd if its had a chip fitted.
Yeah a bit unfair. But even stock vs. stock, the Td5 would win. And tweaked Vs. Tweaked, the Td5 would definitely win. And also, can’t blame me for the steering wheel, that was installed by someone on your side of the pond. Lol
The TD5 has definitely had a decat and it’s definitely had a stage 1 looking at that pick up Although it would still beat the 300 tdi stock but not by a huge margin based on its 1:4 gears
I’ve an 02 disco Td5 still with cat an not mapped, but still I can’t believe how well she pulls! I know disco transfer boxes are higher geared so you don’t keep changing gears unlike my old 300 defender. Brilliant comparison though well done you 👍
I have a td5 with 60.ooo miles from new I have done a lot of work on it she always does 30 mpg but I am a bit easier on the gas pedal I can get 33 mpg not bad has it’s got Alive stage 3 tune
Drag race; first gear is pointless. Start in 2nd. Td5 started in gear, tdi in neutral. And anyway, nobody cares about Landrover drag races. All about practicality and useability. And fixability.
@@sarahdell4042 Sorry, that is not true. The Rover V8 has much more power than td5 and this power in every rpm range, very good fuel economy and perfect exhaust emission 3,9i with catalyst. Constant service, an good Oil and it is an complete trouble free long life engine.
Apart from the coil packs chucking it and the inlet manifold gasket leaking coolant the 3.9 was the best of the v8 Buick the 3.5 was under powered and the 4.6 that was in the range rovers melted as they had been bored out too much.
Born in 1972, I grew up and still live in Namibia, Africa. Growing up we had them all, from a series 1 (Which was still doing daily work on the farm until we sold her about 4 years ago) all the way through to the Defender Puma. On the farm we still have a Series IIa in daily use. I have a Defender Puma 2.4L, but my all-time favorite, and still my daily driver, is my 1996 TDi300. It has about 400 000KM on the clock. She starts first time every time. Obviously with a puff of black smoke. So, I'm bias, emotionally connected, but both the TDi300 and the TD5 sounds like a Landy should sound. For those of you who have Landies, remember to always wave at other Landies and to those who does not have one, sorry.
I have a 1996 Tdi 300 too!! is my pride, i enjoy it every time i ride it
Can't beat the sound of a TD5 🤌
Pros of the 300 tdi. A completely mechanical engine that can be mechanically upgraded to 2.8, bulletproof engine, easy maintenance, parts available all over the world.
Cons - slow engine, terrible cooling temperature sensor (needs to install a madman or something similar)
That's a win to me ahahaha
The fuel economy for what is basically a brick is amazing for both of these. But that over 30mpg... oh yes! It makes it the perfect backroads cruiser. I tend to stay off highways now anyways, enjoying the slower, but more fun to drive back roads. Sure, it takes more time, but it tends to have the better scenery and as I said, a LOT more fun to drive. Cheers!
Nicely done! Thanks for your videos.
In Australia, we also got the Isuzu 3.9 4BD1T which kills both engines, especially in terms of carrying or pulling any serious loads. Fully mechanical which trumps the Td5.
Best engine ever put in a Defender from factory.
BMW M57 conversion is probably the best all round engine.
I’d rather walk.
yes the 4bd1t is by far the best engine in a landrover but those models where never called a defender. they where a county, or 110 or was it 130? aswell as the army perentie
@@izaacbanks3337 correct, they were only in the 'County 110' and the ADF Perentie.
„… 1988 models had 83 kW (113 PS; 111 hp) at 3200 rpm 270 N⋅m (200 lb⋅ft) at 1900 rpm.“ doesn’t sound very impressive on paper, though.
@@NewtonInDaHouseYo it is a truck engine, all about the torque delivery, literally from idle. I have owned Rover V8s, 300Tdi and Td5 and the Isuzu beats them all, especially for heavily ladened, off-road work. The following is worth a watch: czcams.com/video/GHG91FpOQ9k/video.html
Always loved the sound of the TD5.
They've been compared many-a-time in the past. Comments posted were usually.........
''Td5 for power and noise''
''Tdi for simplicity a.k.a fix with a spanner and hammer''
Personally, I would have the 5 pot over the 4 and some Td5 engines DO get converted into older Land Rover's believe it or not 🙂
200/300Tdi's will always be legends though 🤜🤛
Td5 FTW! It’s even better if you own a Nanocom to remap it and to troubleshoot electrical issues.
Cheers from a Land Rover Enthusiast American living in England! 🇺🇸🏴
I was so pumped to get it here 👍
Thanks for the video
Fair play, that 300Tdi is as clean as a whistle under acceleration. We’ve owned several Tdis (and a Td5) here in the U.K. and the Tdis were all real smokers. Great video, nice to see U.K. Defenders going on to a second life in the US 👍🏻
I did the timing belt and set the injection pump back to the correct position. So thanks for that. Did my best to make it run properly.
Depending on the year of your Tdi’s they might of had egr valves fitted. Certainly on the later ones. And like with every engine with egr smoke is compulsory unless you’re prepared to clean/buy new every two year. Good for the environment though so the boffins tell us! 🤥🙄
damn those sound awesome!!
TD5 defender for me any day of the week. I use mine as daily driver.
Added a bigger inter cooler and a single baffle stainless exhaust to my 300tdi and had it tuned as far as a mechanical turbo can be and it goes really well. Maybe not as quick as a td5 but very respectable. I would agree it is easy to maintain and parts are generally cheap. However lets face it if someone offered you a Defender and it may be a tdi or a TD5 I’d be happy to take either.
Both can be easily tuned for more power and torque, Td5 can make silly bhp, Td5 nicer to drive, tdi easier to work on. The tdi will also work after a nuke has detonated and run on 50/50 cooking oil .... Not sure a drag race was much of a test, 30-50 in 4th might have shown more. 👍
Iv never seen a td5 make silly power to be honest there junk try getting one over 200hp and reliable.....stick an m57 into a defender
@@siancarroll3801 250 is easy and reliable
@@siancarroll3801yes, smooth and powerful
I had a 300tdi for years, and I loved it. I've had my current Td5 for years.. and I love it more. Smoother, more powerful, easy to work on and if you look after it trouble-free.
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Exactly what I want to hear.
TD5 + Nanocum for UE, towing and medium trip in North Africa Trip (Marocco). For long trip or Africa country, 300 and 200 TDI without hesitation.
The thing I like about the TD5 is the centrifugal oil filter!
Yup. Have yet to change one on my own. One day soon!
Part of the weight difference is the tree sliders on the td5. They weigh a lot.
Having being a Land Rover mechanic and worked on both these engines/cars I would take the 300tdi, as long as the timing belt modification has been carried out. You got the odd rear water pump gasket and exhaust manifold gasket leaks ( both which can be replaced in 2 hours) the tdi will run for ever.
The td5 which had an over complicated injection system (injectors inside the cylinder head) engine harness/ecu failures and head gaskets going, all of which took hours/days to fix.
Yes the td5 was faster, (a 90 pick up with a td5 was quicker than the old 3.9 v8) but you could get a 300tdi up to 25mph in low range going from 1st through to 3rd gear without touching the throttle.
I see that new mic!! 🎤 Great video!
It definitely helps. Thanks!
Straight pipe , sounds savage.
TD5 has a cool 5 cylinder sound … even for a diesel!
I keep hearing this "The good thing about a 300tdi is that it's all mechanical" stuff but the truth is that if you can fix a 300tdi it's just as likely you can fix a TD5.
Sure, there ARE things that can go wrong with a TD5 which you won't be able to fix but, y'know, the same applies to a 300tdi.
I've had 2.25 petrol Land Rovers, 2.5 diesels, 300tdis and TD5s and, given the choice, I'd take a TD5 every time.
It is, IMO, the best engine LR ever put in a vehicle.
Realistically, you can forget about all the "weak points" of the TD5 (warping exhaust manifolds, head gasket problems, injector loom problems etc) because they're all fixable and the 300tdi has comparable flaws of it's own.
The ONLY real deal-breaker about the TD5 is that the injectors can be damaged by bad fuel.
It's a modern engine, it has has high-performaance injectors and bad fuel will kill them within a few hundred miles whereas a 300tdi is a more crude engine so it'll continue to plod along even if the injectors are shot to hell.
If I was planning on driving around sketchy bits of Africa for months, I'd pick a 300tdi.
In countries where the fuel is good quality, the TD5 leaves the 300tdi for dead every time.
Very good points. Thanks!
Would you like to see a properly tuned 300 tdi with stock turbo smoke a 170bhp td5?
Also good luck with the block of a td5.
Doesn't the TD5 also feature electronics, being a modern engine? We know how much fun they can be when they get old and glitchy.
@@DoctorBrodski Yep, the TD5 is a proper electronically controlled engine but the electronics have never been a weak point of the engine.
It certainly DOES have electrical issues such as, for example, the (in)famous problem with oil getting into the injector harness and causing poor running, but they're all well-known things that are usually easy to diagnose and cheap to repair - similar to maintaining a 300tdi engine but you'll be tinkering with electrical stuff instead of mechanical stuff.
It's very rare for a TD5 to suffer a serious electronic fault that can't be diagnosed and repaired with a bit of googling and watching a couple of youtube videos.
... and now I've said that, I guess I can expect my ECU to snuff it soon. 😖
Fit a boost pin and boost ring to the 300tdi...then repeat..
Hey…What does that do?
Hmmm, food for thought
i own a '00 td5 (120k km), td5 are much easier to tune (with a ecu ramap there is an easy 30hp gain), personally with a rebuilded and modified original turbo, large intercooler, straight pipe, filter and a proper tune it is eays to reach close to 200hp (crank). the 300 tdi is good too but probably a modified fuel pump is needed too.
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The owner:
Not even a raptor sounds like that td5🤌🏽😍. It looks like the sound of a REO military truck
That td5 is tuned, the difference should not be that big on stock engines. Also the odometer of the tdi has been tempered with, that is why you could not read correctly the partial KM. The td5 engine is non recondicionable. As soon as you have a problem in the block, it is a new block. You should import those cars from Spain or Portugal because they have much less rust not to mention they are LHD.
The odometer and trip are separate. Sometimes when you press the post to reset the trip it doesn’t scroll back all the way and gets stuck between digits. That’s all. Odometer is legit and unmolested. You’re welcome to check MOT history.
with a boost pin and ring and tweaked pump id say economys probably similar, the td5s clearly been remapped and fucked with so kinda an unfair test, also bin that steering wheel its cheap pvc plastic and easily bendable good video overall however, pop the ecu apart of the td5 it should be socketed or atleast resolderd if its had a chip fitted.
Yeah a bit unfair. But even stock vs. stock, the Td5 would win. And tweaked Vs. Tweaked, the Td5 would definitely win. And also, can’t blame me for the steering wheel, that was installed by someone on your side of the pond. Lol
Later td5s are remaped from obd port no nead to go into ecu
Had all 3, Td5 by far best, apart from really heavy clutch- you should also try the Ford Puma engined one…
I’d love to. Can’t get those into the states yet. But I don’t know why I haven’t even thought of that whenever I’m in the UK. On my list!
What is the age of the td5 I was told that all td5 are to young to send to America
I think personally the tdi has more low down bottom end grunt but other that that performance wise the td5 is better
300tdi is a school of mechanics
The TD5 has definitely had a decat and it’s definitely had a stage 1 looking at that pick up
Although it would still beat the 300 tdi stock but not by a huge margin based on its 1:4 gears
Right, I know it wasn’t really fair. Mainly I just wanted to show how much quicker the Td5 was with very little modification.
I’ve an 02 disco Td5 still with cat an not mapped, but still I can’t believe how well she pulls! I know disco transfer boxes are higher geared so you don’t keep changing gears unlike my old 300 defender. Brilliant comparison though well done you 👍
tthe 300tdi is much better towing vehicle
Thought TDI 300 was 3.0 litre??
Nope. 2.5L 4 cylinder, just like the 200Tdi and the 2.5 na and turbo.
Put a boost pin in the 300 Tdi
What does the boost pin do?
I have a td5 with 60.ooo miles from new I have done a lot of work on it she always does 30 mpg but I am a bit easier on the gas pedal I can get 33 mpg not bad has it’s got Alive stage 3 tune
They are everywhere in Australia, even the army used them. They will literally go anywhere
I have a 2006 TD5 110 for sale. Great power but I prefer my Right Hand Drive 110. Im willing to sell this LHD 110. Asking $17000usd.
Drag race; first gear is pointless. Start in 2nd.
Td5 started in gear, tdi in neutral.
And anyway, nobody cares about Landrover drag races.
All about practicality and useability.
And fixability.
I care about Land Rover drag races. And I’m kind of a big deal.
Fish in small ponds?
300Tdi tuning: Boost ring, boost pin, open diesel pump and voila. Funny to ‘learn’ diesel tuning from a yank lol
Rover V8 is the best engine for an Defender …
Terrible fuel economy, no power, and spotty reliability
@@sarahdell4042 Sorry, that is not true. The Rover V8 has much more power than td5 and this power in every rpm range, very good fuel economy and perfect exhaust emission 3,9i with catalyst. Constant service, an good Oil and it is an complete trouble free long life engine.
Apart from the coil packs chucking it and the inlet manifold gasket leaking coolant the 3.9 was the best of the v8 Buick the 3.5 was under powered and the 4.6 that was in the range rovers melted as they had been bored out too much.
@@stuartharvie1469 Ask for example RPI or JE Developments for your V8 Problems…
3.9 or 4.6 ? Which one will last longer ?@@simontemplar4093
Motorised wheelbarrows!🙄