How 2 Armored Core: For Answer - Your Movement Sucks
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This is a quick guide that explains some of the mechanics that the tutorial of For Answer fails to - as well as touching on some multiplayer bugs that are very common.
Some things I forgot to mention:
- Using Machine Guns in both arms will generate the same bug where you don't hit any shots on enemy screens. Use machine gun arms instead!
- Holding down L3 disables your lock on. You don't ever want to do this.
Some generalizations were made about Quick Boost Chaining and Second Staging. If you would like to see an in depth video on either, here are some links to other community members who have already explained them in depth quite well:
Multiplayer Bug information: • Celt's guide to bugs i...
Hawkbrother's chainboosting tutorial: • Armored Core, Chainboo...
The OG Second Stage tutorial: • How to second stage qu...
Something I forgot to mention - holding down L3 disables your lock on. You don't ever want to do this. - Hry
I don't know why in every tutorial I've seen before people told to turn the auto sight off and I followed this advice.
You're the only one who said the opposite and it looks like a game changer to me, the gameplay just looks better, need to try it out today
Thank you for the tutorial, finally understood how to do quick turn consistently!
man I could not play this game without auto sight
The best players have always blended manual and autosighting. Probably why so many people are hung up on the "hard lock" on ac6 because they didn't even know autosighting was a thing in ac4/fa
@@kronosx7That's what shocked me when people freaked out about hard lock. Like.... Auto sight is basically fuckin hard lol haha
@@leftovernoise I haven't played in a really long time but I doubt anything has changed since my day. Almost everyone is straight up garbage at armored core pvp, a lot of them because they don't know how to utilize the autosighting or don't even know it existed.
@@leftovernoise Except, as you can see in the video, auto-sight is still limited by the AC's turn speed-it'll break if you pull sharp maneuvers and the opponent ends up too far to the side, so you have to manage your positioning and movement to maintain it.
HUH IVE BEEN AIMING IN FA WRONG FOR ALL THIS TIME
So many people…
I got into armored core because of Armored Core 6 that came out recently, and my attempts at trying to get into one that friend recommend me the most, For Answers, was really rough because of my lack of understanding how the movement works. Thanks to you I can now actually play semi-well the game! Thanks alot and great video!
Playing 4 and silent line rn, did not expect to love armored core this much.
Another great service to the community Inveigh. You truly are a benevolent one. 🎉
Thanks! Hope this video helped
@@invyt my time with you, and Shift, alongside this video have sharpened my gameplay up a lot, honestly.
Tips for second staging. Start with half the trigger already down. What I used to do was push the trigger into the side of the controller. It basically gave it more tension which made it very easy to execute every time.
So how do you do it? Pressing the trigger deeply & release it?
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@@somechinesedude5466 no its more like pull the trigger halfway(ish) down, slow the speed of your pull, then pull fast again to complete the pull.
the funny thing for me was I would accidentally do a quick turn and could never figure out how to recreate it. So thanks I think you might have just given me what I need to up my game by a ton with just that.
Glad I could help! Not being able to quick turn is a very common pitfall
Haven’t even started playing ac yet, but i’ve been enjoying your videos! Keep up the good work, i’m excited for your future ac6 content 🙏🏽
Thanks!! Hopefully I see you on the discord sometime soon!
So thats what 2nd staging is, I wish i had seen this video 14 years ago lol. None of the 20 or so people still playing at the time would ever give up the secret to how their heavier mechs where faster than mine. Closest explanation i ever got was something along the lines of "learn to 2nd stage bro"
Lol, that sounds about right. Glad it helped!
Back when the xb360 community was active from game release to 2010, alot of us had to learn this stuff on our own or friendly players taught each different techniques. I had to learn to make my own style of chain boosting with learning to time Ogoto grenades to shoot people on the ground. ;p Though on the autosight, when sniping using a quad build. I found manuel aiming quicker than autosighting.
as a complete shitter who has never played an armored core game, thanks for the advice!
Happy to help! Hope to PvP sometime
glad you talked about second staging. since armored core has been dead for so long, most knowledge on second staging was basically lost. only a handful of videos had any information on it at all, and it was usually crusty ass 240p recorded on an iphone 10 years ago, and poorly explained at that.
iirc, there i remember talk of there being even further "stages" of boosting that can be reached. like iirc "staging" works more like a gauge, and the more precise you are, the more you'll travel.
I believe you’re right, people refer to a perfect one as a “third stage” but some people disagree with that and I can’t do it so I decided not to mention it - to be real anyone who manages to get consistent enough at second staging will probably figure it out though
Dude, i looked for something like this for a while and had given up, thank you.
Thanks for the movement guide. I can get all my friends into playing this a little easier and maybe I can finally beat Occupation of Arteria Carpals. Subscribed.
Blades are an easy S rank.
Blades and wall glitch if you want easy S rank
@@kronosx7 I'm honestly really terrible with blades, and have been trying to Weapon Arms and Slug Cannon everyone down. I've made it as far as getting 3 of them down one time but I'll practice with blades and try that.
@@mrct592 Use the really fast lock on FCS with an aliyah or virtue booster. Dual blades, quads do the most damage. Quickboost before you swing and hold the attack button and unless you're really far off target just keep swinging till you connect. You can also throw a koji cannon on the back and just knock one out of the sky when they over boost in and just purge the cannon.
Not the Regular-A slander; I'm in shambles, using a control scheme that doesn't exist. I will also continue to do so, it hasn't failed me since release, and won't fail me now.
RIP your fingers claw grip will give you arthritis
A makes you dependent on autosighting. It's probably fine for campaign, it faulters heavily vs good players.
@@invyt Listen; when the only AC you have is LR on a PSP, you get really used to a claw grip. I've played with some very jank control styles for longer than I'd like to admit.
@@kronosx7 Prob not wrong; but what can I say; old habits die hard
I had no idea people still played this game. Just used this vid to tell someone about the movement in this game.
Lots of people still play! The multiplayer scene is quite active, come join the discord!
Just started playing yesterday and when i was looking at the control scheme, Rgular-B seemed like far and away the best way to control the AC. Kinda funny this popped up in my recommended and i just happen to pick it as my control scheme haha
Absolute lifesaver of a video! Managed to beat AC4 recently and loved the way it played and was struggling to enjoy AC4A because i felt such little control over my NEXT. Now I can actually keep up with the other NEXTs because of this video
All this stuff applies to AC4 too, actually, so you might wanna go back and replay that sometime!
@@invyt I definitely will, all these tricks will probably help a lot on hard mode
doing a playthrough of 4 and for answer and would love a guide on stats, how to effectively use the different frame and weapon types, etc. this video was great. thanks dude!
I have more guides coming soon!
I fucking BEAT THE GAME, went in for playthrough too, happened too see people quick turning on youtube somehow, then accidentally figured it out on that mission with redrum, after beating it in the first playthrough after soo many times. Took me like 2 after i got it lmao
I don't have words to say how your vid was useful for me. I've been fighting with WhiteGlint for two days without bein able to bring it down, then I watched this and realize i was playin without auto lock since the beginning. After enabling it, I killed WhiteGlint on my first try with S rank... I don't know if i'm feeling more satisfied or stupid at this point, but I finally did it
I'm glad it helped! The game's tutorial is really bad so a lot of people aren't aware of the auto lock. Please sub if you haven't! Trying to get monetized lol
Done, you deserved it. Keep on and good luck too you
"Hard lock" haters wants to know your location
I mean it is a Miyazaki thumbprint "technically" IIRC Frame Gride has something similar
Amazing guide! As an AC6 baby I'm still struggling massively with the controls alone and I hate them, however, I also have to acknowledge the amazing degree of control it gives you with things like pressure sensitivity etc.
Again, amazing guide! Really explains some of the worse quirks and hidden nuances. I am sick and tired of "mainstream" (view farms for popular games) guides that just revolve around exploiting common meta playstyles or outright cheese (*cough* Malenia ez pz bleed cheese *cough*) but explain nothing of substance so it's nice to know that you can count on the FromSoft OGs to deliver quality explanations!
I don't really consider myself an OG, but thanks!
@@invyt You'll always be one to me sugartits
Hey everyone! Great video! I been playing AC since the old days and loving all the new people in the comments coming to the series right now and enjoying the games! FromSoft has been making these mecha games forever, they know exactly what they're doing, and AC6 is the next masterpiece in line.
Would love to have you join the discord and play some matches sometime! There’s a large community for emulator PvP
I got recommended your vid.
the thumbnail had me lolling out loud 😆
Lol, the thumbnails are definitely… something… hope the vid helped!
Great video. I wish I'd had this a few years ago, some of the basics took me way too long to figure out.
I hope it helps people get into the game a little easier!
Thanks for the guide, i always quick turned by accident and i cant stress how many times i died in order matches cause my aim got thrown off, knowing how to do it might save me.
Only thing i did with my controls was roll with Regular-B but swap boosting and quick boost with the weapon controls (QB and Boosting on the RB and LB, weapons on RT and LT) swap right weapon selection to B and shoulder weapons to A, to make it a bit more in-line with what i rock in Silent Line (first AC game i played, FA is the second), and it's way better imo
You can’t second stage unless your boost is on triggers. You should really just use regular b as by changing it you’ve cut a mechanic out of the game lol
Should have mentioned you can turn auto-turn off and also swap to manual aim in game through pressing the thumbstick.
I forgot haha! It’s mentioned in the description though.
Thanks for this guide. 😊
A good video. Its nice to see someone actually explain how quick turning and second staging works for once, instead of just assuming everyone already knows. But I would be wary of recommending auto sighting for everyone. Its not as perfect as you make it sound.
In missions, you'll mostly just end up fighting against it, because it can cause huge problems when you have more than one target in view. I ended up turning it off very quickly when I first played AC4A, because all it ever did was force turn me towards an enemy I didn't want to aim at. Its more likely to lock onto the random MT in the corner of your screen, than the AC that's actually going to kill you.
And even without it, I have never felt like its too hard to keep your target in view. I always thought auto sight was intended as a workaround for people that play with the A type controls, since then you always need your thumb on X and A instead of the right stick, or you can't shoot. And since type B controls actually make sense, it makes auto sighting unnecessary.
Plus, I just plain find the game more fun without it. There is already so much auto aiming happening, having it actually turn your whole AC for you just feels like its taking too much control away from the player.
This video is mostly from the perspective of PvP, so auto sight locking on to the wrong enemy isn’t usually an issue. You can just look left/right to select your auto sight target if it becomes an issue, or press triangle to cycle between locked targets.
Auto sight is indeed not perfect, but it is more than enough to keep any enemy in the game on screen and most players within your lockbox (assuming you build your ac right).
Bro new game informer interview just dropped
I saw! I’ll be uploading an opinion piece on it tomorrow.
I noticed ive been quick turning bt mistake, never knew it took the left stick being in neutral for it to work. Thank you
Heck second staging? Didnt even know this game used the triggers like that at all
It's nuts how well advice in old titles transfers over to newer titles. Even the really old titles.
I hope AC6 still has hidden mechanics like perfect boosting. I haven’t played in 10 years but my muscle member still remembers exactly how to do it 😂
Hop back on! Put that muscle memory to use in some PC PvP!
I was used to ac6 controls so it was a bit difficult to me play this game but then i just switch the controls to ac6 similar controls.
I will try to put just the type b controls😅
Awesome video btw, thanks
Unfortunately AC6s control scheme doesn't work very well for this game. Best of luck!
@@invyt yeah, i noticed but with your help i start today with the type b controls and its pretty good, of course im still learning this controls but now i can make quick turn, with the ac6 controls was impossible beacuse i need to press square to quick boost😅
Well I beat the whole three ending without even knowing that quick turning existed. Because of that, Occupation of Arteria Carpals is so hard even in normal mode.
But somehow pulled through, im going to learn this mechanic. Going to S-Rank every mission
Many such cases, unfortunately
Loved the video, I liked and subscribed. Quick question: for Regular-B are you using the index fingers on the bumpers and middle fingers on the triggers? Seems to be the most sensible way to navigate and attack at the same time.
Yep!
commiting this video to memory while I configure my hosas setup for acfa
I would love to see a video of FA on HOSAS. I feel like it'd be perfectly playable and honestly pretty cool
nexus has some of the most banger songs, good pick
Probably the most important video I’ve seen on the game. Why the hell is this not in a tutorial LOL
Because FromSoft hate you
Quality video
about 20 hours into ac4a, and ive been using regular a control scheme this whole time, but i think ill try regular b out after watching this.
So weird i didn't know about perfect boosting but I always feathered the boost and knew this was the effect. Very weird. Very cool. I'd also had about 1000 hours in the game back in the day lmao
Finished 6 and have been having trouble moving well in FA and just turned into a missile spamming tank, and I still cant keep track of the faster moving mechs. I now see my first major mistakes was using Simple control scheme and leaving auto boost on lol. Also not including Quick Turn in the tutorial and making so moving the right stick breaks lock on is evil, I really wish I knew about auto sighting and quick turning earlier. This advice should make playing the game more fun for the ORCA and Old King Playthroughs.
Glad it helped!
Armored Core 6 just boosted the views of many AC channels, feel like 6 will probably play nothing like 4 answer but still good content
Yeah I doubt it will play like for answer - this video is aimed to replace the terrible tutorial in For Answer though so it’s mainly for people actively playing that game rather than people looking for content on 6
@@invyt yeah I'm playing 4 answer now and thus helped a lot
Are you telling me that I beat the Old King ending on hard without auto lock which would've made my gameplay so much easier all this time? [Facepalms.]
looks like a pretty hard lock
lol
yep LMAO that why AC6 dev interview said to view it from the perspective of 4 and For answer. The new lock on might not be the exact same (we dont know anything since we havent even had the chance to touch the game), but hey! the whole argument has been very silly anyway
Lol until in pvp other player break your lock super easily with faster build
It a soft lock
vindication will occur and you wont even care
It really isnt
Just started playing acfa and killed white glint without knowing how to quick turn and autosight on... Took few tries tho.. but damn this could've been useful info.
Well, there’s always hard mode!
@@invyt true that. Will definitely replay again after finishing last raven which I just started.
I really hope AC6 has Resident Evil quick turn controls, like you hold back and press boost. I just hope that's the case because I'll actually be able to get to grips with this. I can't train myself to stop moving in this game for anything.
You don’t have to stop moving, you just have to let go of left stick
I somehow beat chapter without realizing quick turning was a thing cause i would just fucking throttle that boost all the time
Great video! I'm curious, is it known why boosting in a circle like that causes desyncs?
It's an artifact of how the game displays player positions, basically. Celtic Spear has a great video on his channel explaining further.
Thanks for the advice and nice video. Now time to play pvp with a keyboard.
NOOOOOOOOOO
@@invyt I have returned after beating the final mission with old king on normal and now I can say with confidence that mistakes were made. To anyone who reads this, please for the love of God, go and use a controller so you don't destroy your hands.
One thing that i'm noticing. at least on an emulated version (my 360 video output is borked i think) turning to regular b just completely disabled auto boost regardless of if it was enabled in settings or not. but resumed working on simple controls.
(running xenia emulator cause it's what was recommended when i looked) just a strange thing i noted. good video otherwise. i knew the game had quick turn but i didn't remember how to do it. and that's the first i'm learning of second staging. what a interesting thing to have!
This video was captured on RPCS3 and most people play the game on RPCS3. I’d suggest joining the discord and swapping over!
Thanks for the guide/tips! Does any of this not work in AC4? I'm currently playing through that one first.
The auto sighting works different in AC4 - you need to click in on the left stick to get a full lock on in that game. Otherwise, I think everything here still applies. Admittedly I don’t play much 4.
I suffered through 2 FA compaings and just one question about controls: Why? (especially quickturn and that damn jump button, it's always funky). Thank you for this beautiful explanation. Wish I could play multiplayer, but I don't have the console :( (I am playing on xenia).
I'd suggest joining the discord linked in the description! You don't need the consoles to play multiplayer, most people play on RPCS3.
@@invyt do you know any good way to play ACV and Verdict Day on emulator, xenia just constantly crashes on the first mission.
@@malfolin Yeah, the discord linked in the description has some resources for that! Join there and go to 5thgen, then type /PCV and it'll give you a special build of xenia for 5thgen.
@@invyt yay, many thanks.
Just because you told me to, I refuse to use regular-b.
lol
The white lock is a stability issue. You can fix it with stabilizers.
I'd love to test that further with you - if that is true then I'd be happy to make a video on how to avoid it and credit you as the source and/or plug your channel. Ping me on discord @ inveigh
@@invyt I don't play anymore. I don't even know if I have my xbox anymore, but if you run into that issue on a particular AC you can stabilize it for 0,0 when you purge to that weapon combination then just load on the other weapons. I liked auto purge. I used to do this combo with the last shot of my rail gun with a pocket blade underneath. Fire the last shot up close and without letting off the button it would go into a blade lunge and I'd assault armor at the same time. If it all hits its absolutely devastating.
@@kronosx7 This was actually all filmed on emulator, I'd love to help you set it up if you have some time - the PC requirements are pretty low
I mentioned this to Lightnn and he asked what kind of stabilizers to use - I'm also curious! The blade PA lunge is a very unconventional tactic and I'd probably shit a brick if someone used it on me
@@invyt Heh, I already told Lighting about this months ago when he asked me about it. Just set up your stabilizers so they're 0,0 whenever you purge down to the weapons giving you white lock. The combination is going to be different for every AC. Tell him I'm still not selling him Problem Solver. I'm retired from ACFA. I'll be back for AC6.
@@kronosx7 It's all good. I already have the rail + pocket blade, having fun reckin' players with it. The 21k en recovery is easily doable. Rail + pms / Nuke marve after PA bomb, yeah it's fun.
I still struggle playing with keyboard, but still nice vid!
Keyboard will always be a struggle. It is the worst possible way to play FA
Holy goddamn fuck...
:) interesting.
Is this on the ps3 emulator ? If so, could you decrypt a save file for the game for me, if you have bruteforce ?
There’s a link in the description to a guide for you. It includes a 100% save.
@@invyt thanks bro, i already have a 100% save though. But rpcs3 won't load it because it has to be decrypted first lol. Is the save file in your description already decrypted ? Thanks again.
@@East_Texas_GamingThe video linked in the description includes a pre-packed emulator with correct settings, all updates, and a decrypted save.
@@invytgreatly appreciated bro, thanks a ton !!!
@@invyt is it the link that says google drive emulator ?
Thanks for the movement tutorial!
Help the funky controls are too advanced for my feeble mind and hands (i've been playing with keyboard and autosighting off for the entire time i've played this game and everything feels so unnatural).
Im still going to change the controls to classic style 🙂
Linstant>Sobrero. I will die on this hill.
Aaliyah>Sobrero because admit it aaliyah is the worst generator in fA but people still use it
I mean it's great but new players probably won't be able to manage EN well enough to actively use it, so I'm hard pressed to recommend it outside of builds that rely on PA
@@invyt Advanced for sure, but I ran it on nearly every single AC. Love me some assault armor.
@@lesslighter It's not terrible. It's a decent combination between energy recovery/capacity and KP output. It's heavy though.
Linstant + PA Bomb + Blader = Dirty Dirty things.
Omg auto boost in 4 does litterally nothing lmao
how do u got it for PC?
There's a link to a guide on how to set the game up in the description.
Wait a minute, is that... ragnarok?
Not sure what you're talking about sorry!
@@invyt the thumbnail, the red thing you used. It look a bit like the ragnarok from Final Fantasy VIII. But i couldnt tell because it look stretched xD
@@thehatred94 no lol that's 9-ball
@@invyt ah xD well frak me then.
How much harder the game becomes if you turn off the auto sight?
do not turn autosight off, specially if you're gonna do pvp, otherwise you won't be able to hit ANYTHING
IMMENSELY. Like it's actually ridiculous how long some of us played without it. It's a night and day difference when it comes to aiming.
with the pace of ACfA PvP I doubt turning it off would even be close to helpful since you can still easily loose that hard-ish lock you can handicap yourself and go AC "classic" but thats just that
If you play the game enough you would figure this yourselves
Bro people comment on this video all the time saying they’ve beaten it several times and didn’t know how auto sight works
The game is terrible at tutorials
@@invytsmh damn
You Dude nice flying would you light to have a match I haven't been able to play against a new opponent in more than 10 years
Join the discord and ping me! I play on PC.
Trying to imagine playing with this control scheme just made me never want me to play this game lmao
Instead of imagining, try playing the game. It takes a second to learn but it is the only control scheme where you can move aim and shoot at the same time while still having both boost buttons on pressure sensitive triggers.
@@invyt imagine having to switch between three weapon groups to use them one at a time, effectively wasting all the face buttons just so you can stick all the important functions on the most unintuitive combos of the triggers and shoulder buttons imaginable
@@purpleboye_ What are you even talking about..? If you put the shoot buttons on the face then you would not be able to shoot and aim at the same time without a claw grip of some type.
And.. what do you mean three weapon groups? You have a total of four weapons and two of those can be active at any given time. Your shoulders, which are usually flares, can be activated at any time.
Instead of typing all this out, why don't you just like.... go try it? The game is free, there's a guide on how to set up the emulator on my channel.
@@invyt Notice how ac6 made perfect use of the face buttons without using any of them for shooting. Honestly starting with ac6 may have been a mistake since it looks like the only ac game with good controls.
@@purpleboye_ AC6 does not have pressure sensitive boost controls, so its boost button can be on a button that is not pressure sensitive.
Armored Core For Answer has pressure sensitive boost inputs. So you need them on pressure sensitive buttons.
Have you like... actually booted up the game and tried it yet? Or are you still just "imagining" things?
My take on autosight: If you want to sweat, learn how to play WITHOUT autosight before playing WITH it. I don't mean this as skill gatekeeping, I mean that you will play better WITH autosight if you know how to visually track the target with your eyes WITHOUT it, and having the experience also means you will have more than the requisite gameplay skill to react appropriately when you have to manually turn.
It's a nice function but it's entirely possible to just "get gud" and do it manually. It's not the easiest thing in the world but it's well within the human capacity.
I disagree. Playing with and without auto sight are basically entirely different skill sets, playing without it will not build good habits for playing with it.
Habits can be built and unbuilt. Knowledge derived from knowing both sides of auto-sight can't.
A as much as RB is good some people just prefer RA for just your thumb on the X and A
With controlls and stuff that's per player basis, don't tell players what they have to do outside of reg b
mfw i thought auto boost on was the default behavior
t. keyboard player
also i have no idea how i made it till collared rank 13 while not knowing how to quickboost, thanks for the life saver!
you what
Bro you sound like molmf
Who lol
I disagree with about half of this.
Please, elaborate
@@invyt If I elaborated, that would mean I was serious. I have a better control scheme, but to be fair, it's not objectively better, just subjectively. It's not wildly different from B and my scheme makes assault armor easier, but only slightly. Also consider that my scheme is not on an Xbox controller. It DOES have triggers, however. Over boost is certainly limited use, again, I half agree. Everything is yes, up until it is not.