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Lindsay is wrong, the scenario Pain wants to create is literally what we are in, in real life. The only reason the world is at ''peace'' is cuz of those nukes that are always on stanby and because of the fear. We are literally living proof that Pain's idea would and does work XD
Yeah. We don't have major conflicts thanks to nukes otherwise the war between USA and URSS could have happened long ago.
Yeah. Shes blinded because She hates Pain, That's why doesn't Wanna agree With Pain
Yep, it's actually very funny that she says that they can't see because they're so stuck in their own logic that they can't be wrong. When her entire premise is faulty because it literally depends pretty much all people wanting peace and then sacrificing and doing anything to keep it. That's not anything close to the reality of The Human Condition.
We actually less likely going to war because of globalism less so because of Nuke. The world become more integrated country are less likely go to war because of economic reason
We have less Nuke now than we do during cold war so what you said is objectively stupid.
Not to mention the ideas of MAD is when both side have nuclear deterrent something that already exist in naruto universe before pain go collected them
So please stop being an edgy fuck and learn how thing work.
@@thinhvo3893
And yet your premise utterly collapses because there are just as many detractors of globalism, it on its own prevents nothing.
Lindsay: "Hinata, what are you doing? Get in here!"
Carson: haha... *nervous, fake, obligatory laugh
she will regret saying that
Love him or Hate him, Agree or Disagree with him, Pain is undoubtedly one of the best villains in anime 🧡
And naruto should've ended after this arc because it only goes downhill from here
@@Ratovx it's still very watchable in terms of action doh
No one say otherwise are you really that insecure to type every video this?
@@Ratovx there are gr8 moments In the dragged war arc, but it's not as clean as the pain arc.
@@jaycienlovelace3123 When the animation isn't trash, sure
i love how Pain dropped the god complex around Naruto. "We are both just ordinary men" was one of the coolest lines.
he just like naruto , they both experienced pain and loss but nagato went one step further and tried to destroy everything and rebuild from scratch , sort of , cause for him there wasn't any other way to acheave piece ,
“He is taking Naruto’s teachers out one by one”
Pain is fighting for his life too lol. Do you expect him to let himself get caught in the genjutsu.
Well, the the life of nagato's Yahiko puppet, if he lost it he would just retreat and make 6 new paths
its not self defense killing a bunch of people when you break into someones house to kidnap another person
If you don't agree with Pain destroying the village than why should he stop , let Naruto stop the cycle of revenge and do nothing to Pain 🤷♂️ but Naruto already fall to the same logic when he said "First I'm gonna kill you " he confirms Pain logic . So I think we shouldn't be hypocrite just because Naruto and the Village are our side.
Perfect response to the bias ❤
exacctly
He did actually do nothing to Pain. When he confronted Nagato, he said that he wanted to kill him, but he didn't. Thus proving his point that peace could be achieved another way and making Nagato believe in him.
Konan: "Nagato don't push yourself"
Lindsey: *push yourself*
😄
PAIN: Almighty Push!
lmao
😂
That was cringe af.
@@r_k4146 how it was so simple...i cringe at a lot but you said that just to be a jerk
Next time:
Pain: Lindsay, do you hate me now?
Lindsay: *YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH*
One of the saddest episodes 166. When I first seen it, let’s just say it was a rough watch.
Ong
that's what's really interesting about Pain, Lindsay said that he isn't reinventing the cycle but basically adding to it and making it bigger and it makes sense, the cycle is not possible to be broken so using that very cycle that prevents peace to create peace is the only actual solution, tho in a world of magical powers multiple answers can be achieved but Pain alone is the one with the most realistic idea that can apply to the real world, despite obviously being a puppet himself I truly think Pain was the one who understood humanity and the nature of the world the most in the show
Lindsay is just a teenager. Every healthy teenager who never lost anything is idealist but not realist, they say and move by what they think is right for them. What Pain had planned was actually the truth in real life. The reason we dont see any wars after the last war (WW2) is many countries have nukes standby to destroy each other and that fear leads to the peace although it is not truly peace
I was right lindsey was triggered on pain's philosophy is but calling pain stupid that's a bit too much in my personal perspective and she's too one-sided in her judgement in pain's cycle of hatred episode because there are two sides in a same coin there not just konoha itself and naruto's and pain's personal point of view too.Regardless if lindsey's love or hate of pain is there but the cycle of hatred that's very real in the modern world as well but you get the picture but job well done discussing it with carson about that so kudos to it.
We’re probably gonna have a more in depth discussion about it in the future
Thanks for watching and thanks for contributing to the discussion!
@@BOLDcast your welcome carson open minded discussion is key to both parties in fairness and clarity...
@@ajelsanchez9151 Hey, I really enjoyed your comment but for the love of Jashin please use punctuation. 😊
Konoha and the other major villages definitely look bad right here. They trampled all over the hidden rain in those wars and then just left? I mean aren't we supposed to think of Konoha as good? They couldn't help rebuild a nation they just fucked over?
Also, we all know everlasting peace can't be achieved, so i have to push back on Lindsay for calling Pain dumb for only believing in cycles of peace. Thats the only kind of peace that exists.
To her credit she is right about real peace, people have to spread goodness and hope that the peoples lives they touch spread it as well, but thats definitely a slow process and the incentives against peace may be too strong in a lot of scenarios. (Resources for example)
Also, the people suffering in the mean time are just supposed to wait for peace to be achieved? What should the people of the hidden rain have done when their village was being fucked over? Tough situations all around and this is why i love pain. He brings a lot of complexity to the series.
Yeah that’s what I find funny about her perspective now looking back, is that she basically gives the same answer that Naruto gives at the end of the arc funnily enough, it’s just difficult to hear it from someone who just went on a rant about how much she hates Pain, but if you remember, even while listening to Nagato’s tale, and even after, Naruto admits that he still does hate pain. So in a way, Lindsay is still just as big brained as ever and just as understanding of the greater point. She actually has the same MBTI as Naruto lol
@@BOLDcast Lol it's all good. Her feelings about pain are valid. I watch because she makes great observations and you guys have a good back & forth. But pain is super fucked up and easy to hate but the story is also framed from Naruto's perspective so it's easy to side with Konoha.
If we'd watched "Nagato" and the story started from his childhood and we saw him eventually get revenge on the leaf and the other big villages who fucked his home we'd have a very different take.
But pain is willing to listen as he proves at the end of the arc even if i have problems with it. Can't wait to see the rest of the reactions. Have a great day 👍
@@BOLDcast his plans have some flaws
but that doesn't mean pain is dumb or a bad character.
he is the first one to show how other village feel
one another thing that she mentioned gabi, but she is doing the same as suppoter of leaf village,she is wishing that if she have power she i ll kill pain
same as gabi
so,she can hate herself
@@BOLDcastur channel is such a dumbest channel i ever seen😐😐
Konan to Nagato: "Nagato don't push yourself
Lindsay: "push yourself....Almighty Push!"
Pain is necessary for Naruto to grow and understand what hatred is . I think Nagato’s point is ( know PAIN feel PAIN and when we understand the pain of each other we will stop hurting others )
But anyway he haven't done anything enough to bring that peace.
PD. Pain and Nagato are not the same person.
@@danielpimentel3612 no but yes , cause tendo pain is an exstension of nagato , so they are different bodys but the same character , right ?
Carson made a great point with the Japan during WW2.
The show was making the point subliminaly, Carson just pointed it up for those of you who didnt actually pick that up lol
@@1BuFo
Japan
-Invades China killing and raping innocent people, and a few other countries.
-Sides with the Nazi’s who started WW2.
-Sneak attacks the Navy fleet at Pearl Harbor.
The United States before Pearl was neutral.
I’m not gonna say that the bombs were right but but WW2 is the one and only time where I can say the United States wasn’t really doing anything wrong. Contrary to what people like to say the U.S. wasn’t the bad guys this time. Peace activists don’t understand that people who attack don’t feel the same remorse as they do.
@@saucegodnas7318 I didn't say they were the bad guys but ''wasn't doing anything wrong''. Except minding their own business the one time everyone needed them to get involved they didn't until it was for selfish egotistical reasons.....as US does every time. Not to mention they only joined the war at the very end and barely contributed, now the us (trough holywood depictions) is acting like they (you?) ended the war. It's stolen valor. The US basically committed stolen valor on a global scale.
@@1BuFo Gonna have to disagree with you there. The US was part of the war for 4 out of 6 years, was a major player against both Nazi Germany and the Japanese and lost 400 000 people. They were also the main force in the actual defeat of the Japanese who at first was not going to surrender even after getting two suns dropped on their heads. Sure, US was slow to the point of needing something like Pearl Harbor to get a reality check, but saying that they "barely contributed" is rather harsh...
@@Morten_Storvik ok maybe I was abit harsh but in most movies, americans are depicted as doing everything by themselves, barely giving credit to the russians, who in my opinion would have eventually beat Hitler by themselves. Japan was all US tho.
Naruto had no answer how to end the cycle of revenge and hate, Lyndsy also has no answer. You have to accept Pain and know Pain to know true Peace.
Wished she was more nuanced abt PAIN than just saying I hate him or you are wrong.
@@rifatali8507 tbh, most people hated pain up till this point too.
Even me.
It wasn't until his backstory was revealed that i actually started to acknowledge his ideology.
The problem is that no human can call himself a God and playing the Judge to the other people lifes
@@Torresmo2 maybe if you finish naruto Shippuden you will realize nagato pain
@@Torresmo2 What about the Court Judges?
Pain is a character who named himself with his philosophy to pain i like how he potrays and wants to create peace yhis is the best speech in the whole naruto verse hands down he devastated destroyed the top village among nations made them shit their pants but still i appreciate her because when she knows about their backstory its literally the sad how nagato was You still dont know about pain.
Sometimes Lindsay suprises me with her intelligence , this time wasn't the case
In what way?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 saying that Pain is stupid , but infact what he was talking about is logical than Narutos Laters answer , that speech he gave was 100% true and on point and she said he is stupid
@@YacineScales I meant when has she surprised you beforehand?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674lol
Pain's ideology makes perfect sense. If you think about it, why was there no World War 3 after 1 and 2? Because of nuclear deterrence. This world has known Pain and now knows true Peace.
That's ignorance. Globalisation and capitalistic approaches to conflict is the reason why there is no war. Instead of actual war, now its economic exploitation. Nukes have very less to do with peace. Even if USA decides to wage war against China and win, the economic factors would make it less desirable than the current scenario where America can easily exploit Chinese citizens and let both governments profit. If anime could solve such complex problems, 4.5 billion people wouldn't be living under 4 dollars a day.
I don't think our world knows true peace. The world will never know true peace. Just because there isn't a war going on doesn't mean the world is peaceful. Try telling people in the middle east that the world is at peace. Yeah, nukes play a part in stopping major powers blowing each other up but they instead find other ways to screw each other over and bully smaller countries into getting what they want.
@@vaibhavmukherjee9830 i think the ignorant one is you lmao. The only reason US hasn’t gone to war with Korea is nukes. What you are spouting is textbook BS dat might be true to some degree but nukes are the main reason why there hasn’t been a WW3
@@cole_world5739 North Korea is an exception to the rule because of more reasons than I can count including the socialist roots of it and the its unique structure. If US really wanted to destroy North Korea they could, the problem isn't north korea's missile programme but the political problems it would cause with Socialist China. I am not just spouting text book bs but am telling you how globalisation works. Why did the British empire give up on all the colonies? Because of profits. Countries like the banana republics are ruined and the average people in those countries live in worse conditions than we can imagine. Syrian kids are living in fear of being bombed.
Nuclear deterrence being the primary peacekeeper is a horrible myth. We have come to a point where wars are completely financial. There is no potential gain in fighting Russia even if they didn't have nukes, and Afghanistan is still in ruins. If you have a statistic data then I'll be happy to see it. The idea that we are at peace is a fallacy. There have been 43 wars in 2020 ranging from relatively minor conflicts(deathtoll in the hundred to major wars, >10000 deaths).
Why do you think bureaucracy is so important? Economic gain is way more important than territory right now and the world we live in is not as one dimensional as the naruto world so do your research before being so certain of something.
@@vaibhavmukherjee9830 i dunno what gives you the idea dat a war could break out for mere land but dats obv false. YES land was the reason why hitler decided to kill the jews and take over territories in WW2 but in modern times land is the least bit of reason to start or join a war. Also North Korea isn’t an expectation, eastern countries like India and Pakistan are in a stalemate because both of them are nuclear power heads and a *Nuclear War* would be devastating on both sides.
If Nuclear weren’t holding and terrorizing both small and larger countries there would be much more bloodshed than there currently is.
And at least Pain have a method even if it's 10% effective it's better than the "I don't know" of Naruto , you shouldn't criticize anything without a replacement for it .
I agree!
Wait wait wait you absolutely can if i say man these pancakes taste bland i can still critisize someone who throws the table plates and silverware theyre on in the trash becuase i still had the option to eat bland pancakes over ruining the whole kitchen to waste them. The status quo even if terrible can still be a valid basis to critisize shitty replacments.
Pain wants to create a world similar to our real one, where all nations are afraid of nuclear weapons. Pain understands that only the fear of losing what is dear to you will keep the peace in the world.
I hope Lindsay will understand over time :)
True
No he wants to set humanity back to the stone age, so the individual nations don't have any reason to infringe on others for power. The flawed logic of Pain is that you don't even have to use a nuclear weapon to make people afraid of it. The atomic bomb will and always has been, the single most unfortunate scientific finding in human history, and yet Pain wants to hand it out for free.
@@Style50360 and the fact that he wants to hand it out for free is an analogy to the fact that every great country in the world can do nuclear weapon
The only problem with Pain philosophy is that he wants the nuke bomb as a monopoly for himself or to the Akatsuki with the expectation to create a utopian peace. Nuke bombs brings peace because a lot of countries have it. There's like a competition. I understand Pain ideology and i can relate to him as a person because i can feel empathy for his frustations on traumas in life. But the problem is that to Pain achieve his goals he applies maquiavelism into his actions,like : The Ends,Justifies the Means. Basically Pain is acting like a revolutionary that wants create an utopian world ruled by him. Its like communists countries with their Leaders that promisses a bright society in the future that never comes and in the end it turns into a distopian dictatorship. I agree with 90% of Pain's reasons. This world for sure exists some fucked up ppl that should taste some kind of pain to grow up and develop empathy,but the means used by Pain is wrong. This world for sure is cursed but we can try to make it a little bit better with some good and constructive actions.
@@Neoste if you say so
"Do You Hate Me Now ?!" 😈 ...
TrollFace
I find the difference between how people like Lindsay watches media and how people like Carson(me included) watches media very interesting. Lindsay sees everything purely through the eyes of the main characters. She experiences the story as if she is literally there with them. That’s why she can’t really appreciate a cool villain, because they do heinous shit and why would she think they’re cool for that. But Carson views entertainment more as a third party. So when a bad guy does heinous shit, but it has cool animation for example, he gets excited for it, while Lindsay most likely would be angry at whats happening.
I think you’re right.
And we’re gonna have a more detialed discussion about this arc when it’s over, but I think the fact that Lindsay and I feel differently is actually good even if people disagree with her. It’s just a pity that I’m not also reacting to it and giving my first impression on it. Unfortunately I’ve already seen all the good anime lol
@@BOLDcast I don't think you've seen ALL the good anime lol
@@BOLDcast You haven't watched Legend of the galactic heroes or Monster.
@@r_k4146 Youre right I havent seen Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but I have seen monster
Exactly my point about bias. If the show was called something other than Naruto it would different
What pain did just somehow look like what Eren did to Marley at season 4
A lot of people hype and cheering Eren when attacking Marley at last season
The difference between them is
Pain introduce as Villain
Eren introduce as protagonist
Except we never cheered for Eren either
No its not, what eren did was out of necessity, marley publicly set war to wipe eldians through that speech, even without the speech they had future plans to attack paradise again, Eren just attacked them first instead of waiting to be attacked, his action can be considered as self defense , even though Eren killed innocent people he didn’t deliberately go out of his way to do it, it was collateral damage, he killed the soldiers , took the hammer titan and left, what Pain did to the village “almighty push” was unnecessary, even konan didn’t expect him to do it
@@XTheGamer101X if u look it closely , pain actually wanna leave after use ningendo on shizune
But some of Tsunade's word triggered him and upset him
In the its just revenge all over again
Exactly lol
@@XTheGamer101X that makes no sense you can say the same for pain since the leaf were hunting akatsuki members to he just attacked first before they did
Some people have doubts about This, so to clear things up a little:
When Pain says he's a God what he means IS that he's a God (not nagato). The persona Pain is a God, nagato is an ordinary Man. The main thing you gotta understand IS that nagato is talking through Pain, That's why Pain sometimes is speaking in third person, because is nagato doing It.
So she is saying the leaf has the right to attake and destroy his village but he is stupid, he wants to show them what rules the World by taking revange.
No she is just against the idea of using bigger violence to stop smaller violence
How does she still hate him 😂🤦🏽♂️
Seing her so pissed with Pain, can't wait to see her reaction for the next episode lmao
I know some people on Twitter (big Naruto fans) who keep complaining that Pain hurt people for selfish purposes and put himself above others and hated Pain
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 it is just a small price to pay for salvation :)
I got to say you explained it well to her, that's exactly what Pain is supposed to be. Most of the times in the real world, pain's method has been used by nations, the world war resulted in UN, so they made a UN after US bombed Japan. No one can say which is wrong and right because those who say Pain is wrong, they haven't got any idea how peace can be made and don't know what to do except just wait and watch like a fool, the OTHER SIDE can't exactly say that pain is right but what he is doing will bring peace however momentary, who knows that it even might bring peace for a very long time obviously not indefinitely.
Pain -> Tailed Beast Weapons -> Momentary peace
Western powers -> Nukes -> World peace for almost 80 years, with only smaller and limited conflicts, a peace that is slowly crumbling away even in the Western countries as time passes and people forget the pain of war.
Love the fact that she’s trying so desperately to try and say Nagato’s wrong when she can’t even keep a sentence going without pausing because she knows she can’t deny Nagato’s statements
That doesn't make him right tho.
@@Salik96 and the same time what pain say is 100% true
@@ibrayudhaandrianhakim2153 Yeah but his motives are wrong.
@@Salik96 no bro the motive are good but what he did are wrong
@@ibrayudhaandrianhakim2153 He wants to kill innocents to create peace I don't see that as good.
People who think that hidden leaf village are the good guys: 🤡🤡🤡🤡
There great guys
I think Lindsey can't see the forrest for the pain
I understand what Lindsay is saying but u gotta understand where pain is coming from .... This is literally real life ..... Anyways awesome reaction guys.. keep em comin
Thanks for watching man
hating pain just proves his point
Lyndsay argument is a first of many that's is surprising. But for me the part that makes you think would be when he says "The same justice you want to do to me is the same one I'm doing right now", "What's your answer?". I'm prety surprised at Lyndsay response
Yeah but naruto will seek justice through killing pain only, he will not attack his village and kills thousands of innocent people, pain know that most of the villagers has nothing to do with his suffer but he chose to hurt them even though he could have not “ almighty push” was unnecessary , if he eventually will bring justice by fear then why would he kill all these people, he himself said the cycle of hatred will not end then create another cycle for no reason
@@XTheGamer101X almighty push he do it when he realize that naruto will never come and no body tell him where is naruto, its simple
Lindsay is wrong here and unfortunately she’s too emotional to see what pain truly is
20:22 is false. The sand and the leaf were allies already. Oro just killed the kage and impersonated him leading them into war against the leaf. It had nothing to do with Naruto.
After the war they surrendered and became allies again which is why the sand siblings helped with the Sasuke mission.
Pain’s speech will forever be one of the best imo
Probably the best fight in the whole series. If not, then still definitely one of the best. It just had everything in terms of emotions.
@@joaopaulo3204 Nahhh after the summit it has gone better. Sure, this arc right here is one of the best ever in all Anime, that's why probably people are obsessed with the SPOILER:
War Arc.
@@joaopaulo3204 SPOILER:
Ok, I respect your opinion. I probably don't hate it, because I already watched the War 10 years ago as a teenager and due that period, people had another taste on Anime than today. However, opinions are always different and that's good. But I also agree with you.
It seemed that Kishimoto didn't put any love in the end to that arc. There's so much nonsense like Naruto taking a tie against Sasuke at their final battle.
Sasuke was way more powerful than Naruto, it was even QUOTED by Kurama. And theoretically, it's true. Sasuke had the Chakra from all of the tailed beasts while Naruto only had a piece of them, so how is that logical that Sasuke didn't win? He didn't even use all their Chakra into that attack.
Only one thing about many nonsense situations.
(NO SPOILERS):
Carson you could show this To Lindsay or read It yourself, these are Really good reflections about pain's stuff and these current episodes. You could even make a special separated video about pain's speech and then discuss about It. I'd Love to see It.
The whole Pain's speech makes sense because it's real life Stuff. Pain's ideologies are so Dope because they apply to Our Real world, they are reasonable things to do.
Pain isnt contradicting himself when he starts referring to himself as "an ordinary Man" ( he's dropping his pretense of beeing a "God" to truly have a heart-to-heart conversation with naruto as fellow disciples because he truly wants Naruto to understand his motives and see things from his perspectives ). We as the audience generally side with Naruto and the hidden Leaf because they're the "main characters" of the story. Pain is "GIVING VOICE" to others here in the world that also suffer.
I totally agree when Pain says "Humans are not the most intelligent creatures", due to the fact that we're essently a virus on the planet because we literatelly destroy other species and the environment of our planet, so yeah biologically speaking pain is 1000% correct. On the other hand, From our perspective (human perspective) pain is mad because he wants to Destroy nations and people? ( That's The same thing that the Leaf has done too and great nations do today in our real world as well , i'm wrong?? )
Plus Pain is "GIVING VOICE" to other nations ( in this case he means especially small nations, like his, which was devasted because the Leaf started the War ) that also suffer in the world, why is it ONLY Far And OK for the hidden Leaf to have peace and justice when everybody else in The world also suffer Pain??
Lmao
He's calling out the hipocrisy Naruto and The Leaf are trying to justify themselves.
Pain's Idea for achieving peace IS MAD (mutually assured destruction), which is the same system thats in place in OUR REAL WORLD today to deter nuclear War. He wants a world where M.A.D will keep the peace for a while and when it breaks, when people use tail Beats, they"ll experience pain again, and That pain will force them to Go back to the period of peace. This will continue over and over, that pain will keep humanities violent Nature in check, allowing peace to exist. You can definitely disagree with Pains ideias of achieving peace, however with his marvelous speech You Just can't because he's spitting Facts after Facts here. Thanks a Million kishimoto for creating the masterpiece of the show called "Lord Pain". Pain's is My favorite character in all Animes. For me One of the Greatest characters Ever created in fiction. Easily top 10. So Lit. By Far The Best Written character kishimoto created. Not Itachi nor Any other character beats Pain as a character in this series.
@@johnwarren8804 he has an answer watch 175
Besides believing what is his answer exactly? Because we can all believe in peace at the drop of a hat or a retweet.
@@alexchaser320 which was a naive answer. Naruto has always and will always be a naive child. Even Kishimoto agreed that Naruto’s answer was not a good one simply because it’s the kind of answer you will have in a perfect world. Sadly, the world Naruto is in isn’t perfect.
@@reveriec he is not a naive child anymore he is extremely smart in combat smart god of shinobi and very loyal
17:44
Just wanna say that the people who died in nagatos village were also innocent. So that is not a good argument.
10:23 the way she shakes her haid looks like she cant admit it when pain exposed konoha of their hypocrisy.
SPOILER:
Pain was right, the only thing that created momentary peace at the end of Shippuden was the threat of Madara Uchiha, a threat that forced people to cooperate like the tailed beast weapons imagined by Nagato
Spoiler
Youre right, remember how in Naruto the last, raikage was okay to destroy the moon with naruto and his friends on it. They dont care. Villages are just power hungry war mongers. Even if it appears that everything is going good, they all are planning behind their backs and sending spies to get intel.
SPOILERS
Well Pain actually had a plan and Naruto didn't and as bad as his plan was it better then nothing at all.
Underrated comment
Pain and Eren are the same type of character
"Who cares about the cycle of hatred anymore, what if Konan falls in love with another man" - Pain if erenified
@@hydrocy.9165 xd
There is but a little difference though, Pain wanted to give that ultimate weapon to others, in order they will use it, and learn from the destruction and pain of it. So he gives them a choice, Eren however at the end, didn't.
Absolutely not
Pain really did all this for the peace of the world (how he did it is debatable, of course), while Eren just wanted to pursue his childish desires for freedom.
The never ending Cycle of Hatred. That's really deep! I love those words. I understand Pain's point of view/get were he is coming from. Everyone can relate with that, it happens even in real life _the never ending cycle of hatred._
Ah, Pain’s Cycle of Hatred. This is the definitive episode and speech that defined Pain as the best Naruto villain and one of the best characters in all of anime.
It didn’t matter whether you hated/dislike or liked/loved him, he was simply speaking nothing but the factual truth of reality that reflects our own.
The point with pain ideology is that
At that point pain only had this solution
He asked naruto for an answer but naruto replied, "I don't have an answer"
So he thinks that a temporary solution is better than no solution
That's how real world works
Does Lindsay ever like a villain? Just a genuine question
I don't think she does actually. I think it's due to her way of watching the show. She seems to experience everything through the eyes of "good guys" like Naruto or Shikamaru. She doesn't see it from an outside look and seems to have a hard time putting herself in the villain's shoes. That doesn't mean she's wrong though, Pain or Orochimaru's actions remain extremely violent, it's just a different way of immersing yourself in the Naruto universe and I find that interesting if that doesn't prevent her from appreciating the character for his writing quality, personnality, powers or design afterwards.
@@alexandrenamor8463 exactly it's just an appreciation of a character and how it was written and portrayed. I get her opinion tho but still, maybe be a little more open about liking villains.
you are so wrong lady... "how is it fair to only allow you people to preach about peace and justice"?
Linday definitely have interesting take. Can't wait to see her reaction at the end of the arc. it's at ep 172 and 173 i think. I hope that she'll give her full opinion on what she thinks about the entire Pain Arc.
Can’t wait till episode 214
I watched reaction episode 165 just to see how everyone reacts. They have different opinions, very interesting 😀
Oh man
I was waiting so long for this episode reaction. It is truly a fascinating to see that how general people think about
Pain's Ideals.
Ok, she doesn’t understand yet
Hi Carson, Linsay isn't that wrong with summoning Kasuju, even when she is already there.
This is never mentored in the Manga/Anime, but it is written in the Naruto Data Books (Jin) .... Katsuju is a mega gigantic slug living in the Shikkotsu Forest.... Tsunade only summons a little part of the original Slug.
So yes, if Sasukra would be able to summon her as well, there could be multiple Katsujus at the same time :)
Massive Spoiler Lindsay! Don’t read!
It’s crazy to think that Konoha created all of their enemies. Madara, Obito, Nagato, Sasuke, even “allied” enemies like Itachi and almost Naruto. Chino once told Sasuke that Konoha is a great village, but it’s roots are black. It’s sad to think that, even if they were used, both Itachi, Sasuke, and even Naruto are extremely loyal to the leaf, but it’s great that Naruto & Sasuke are now basically the owners of the hidden leaf.
u forgot to mention last boss ramen guy
Next couple of episodes are some of the best in the entire show imo, can’t wait
kinda like how god used the flood or disasters to bring humans back from self-destruction
Will be interesting to see her thoughts on Madara and Obito's plan of eternal peace
Might as well tell it all here bro
@@drkhizzy7995 Lindsey doesn't read the comments brother
@@mahmoudabusbeitan1008 oh ok noice, didnt know haha
I call it right there - she would fucking butcher Obito even more than Pain
One of the reason why people can't understand each other because the hate make them blind about the truth and deny the fact. (This is an advice when you get mad) That's why it's better for we to be quiet when we're mad because "when they're angry, they immediately judging and punish without thinking the consequence."
That and people just sorely suck. Like I think about the hatred Sasuke gets in the Fanbase and The Naruto fandom as one of many examples
I hate going there...but lets remember how and why we have such peace and comfort in our 1st world countries.
20:50
“It’s time to change how your world operates”
This is actually hilarious. It actually gave me Game of Thrones vibes when Sam says pretty much “Why wouldn’t we just let everyone vote instead of having a hereditary monarchy?” and everyone just fucking burst out laughing and rightfully so. Changes like that do not happen in a second, sometimes it takes decades to transform especially if there is literally no specific idea of what exactly are you going to change and how. “I want all wars to end now and forever from now on!” is not an idea of bringing peace, it’s a demand made by a cranky child
Again, the voice acting is on par with the Japanese voice acting. The voice acting in these past few episodes have given me chills, especially this one. I do not remember how the voice acting is in the next episode (dubbed) but I'm sure it will be greatness like in this episode.
if Naruto was born in pain's village his vision of justice would be exactly the same as pain's, so according to u Lindsay pain should've kept quiet and not seek revenge for his dead village and family, just like pain says someone with your mindset clearly has never experienced actual pain and what it feels like to lose all your loved ones, that's why you think he's stupid but really he's not, he has the exact same logic as we do and the same that the leaf village does, now, he attacked the leaf village, if he tells them "ok I did that because y'all started it and killed all my village" do you think they're gonna be "ooh ok then we're all good" of course not, they'll want to kill him, so why it is ok if they do it, but not ok if he does it?
Pain is a masterpiece of Kishimoto!
YES sir
Here in Pain's defence :
If his plan of peace doesn't bring a permanent solution to the endless cycle of hatred and is only a momentarily solution then how come Naruto's way of thinking and his noble ideals are good enough to bring a everlasting peace?
I agree to the fact that power in a single hand can be refered to as dictatorship, we all know that's it a curse even if we compare it to the present world, also if we take real world in consideration and say "shinobi villages/lands as real countries" u can clearly see that there is no such thing as *TRUE PEACE* there are always countries fighting for land, resources, terrorism etc. They are weak and hollow inside cuz there are always things such as murders, theft, fraud and not to mention rapes. So for me this idea of peace by simple and generous methods is a no go. On the other hand by pain's methods there can atleast be some momentarily peace and that will be good enough cuz that my friend is going to be the purest form of peace with no weak spots at all.
Pardon me if I mispelled anything cuz english is not my vernacular and even if someone got hurt. This is my way of sharing my thoughts on pain's ideals.
NO HATE ONLY PEACE 😂
But naruto does achieve TRUE PEACE or something extremely close to it at the end of shippuden
@@alexchaser320 ohh I wouldn't state that as TRUE PEACE it was a treaty formed under fear of obito and madara or otherwise these nations would have still remained the same (arrogant and selfish). Sasuke was also trying to do the same by uniting them against a single foe, that is himself. Just like the real world "no country would ever go to a war because there is the fear of nuclear weapons".
@@shawoff3732 it was extremely close to it
@@alexchaser320 No cuz extremely close isn't good enough.
here is my answer , first , remember what madara said '' nothing lasts in this acursed world' and he was right , nothing is perminent, hapinness , saness etc... but pain/nagato was jiraiya's student and wanted to acheave peace but chose the logical human way of acheaving destroying everything and starting from scratch and i think pain was justified , but you know he's a villain and naruto should win but that doesn't mean that nagato/pain was wrong , he was right , think about it ,
So apparently Lindsay has never heard of an atom bomb before. Or what happened to Japan.
And what Japan did to another country
Everything just a never ending cycle of hatred
@@pettanslayer69 my point was how she thinks Pains plan is stupid, even though we literally did the same thing and more all intensive purposes we are at peace. At least with no world wars.
@@sethgibson5148 she just too attached to protagonist point of view
I can't blame her for that
@@pettanslayer69 but usually she's been so smart, and now she dosen't even really listen to what pain says and just writes him off.
@@sethgibson5148 she was just emotional at this point which is understandable. #painofloss
Pain's whole point is "speak softly and carry a big stick." He wants to break the cycle by making a stick so big no one wants to fight.
Hay don't call him stupid I like villan more than heros they all wants piece in their world i love Madara, Obito, Itachi, Pain All of them work hard to achieve piece in their ways. Black zetsu is the one how cause all of this and the uchiha tabet
Girl calm dawn! :D
Pain is right tho, only after we knew the pain of modern war in WW2 did we create the UN, pain teaches us something valuable and since nobody wants to experience pain again they will take measures and these very measures are the ones that will keep the peace. And Carson is right, momentary peace is way better than constant war.
In the real world they have nuclear bombs.
So far, no world wars happened since that invention.
That's basically Pain's philosophy
Except for smaller nation fighting so what you said is objectively stupid
@@thinhvo3893 thats why he said "World wars"
@@eoozy2617 The problem with that BS it also doesn't work.
Pain Philosophy isn't about preventing major wars only but every single war.
Preventing majors wars only is something currently happened in naruto. Where the great nation enjoy their peace but the smaller nation have to suffer due to these proxy war
You know the villain is great when people automatically hate him.
Good thing Naruto got some intellect boost during his training. He keeps coming up with out of the box strategies.
kishimoto finally realised that he hasnt developed the main characters brain since he was 8 years old
not really creating a villain people hate is easy, creating one that is equally loved as well as hated is the hard part
Hey Naruto was always battle smart, The problem early on was that no one was teaching him like they should a jinchuriki. Once Jiraiya took over it was uphill for Naruto.
but pain was right.humanity will return yo war again and again as our real world.konoha shall taste what have done as the cause of war beczuse nagato was also inocent kid and yet he lost his village and his family beczuse of the leaf who waged war.
the allegory is what stops wars between these great nations.... like the usa germany brittian russia japan, what stopped those great wars.... the threat of the tailed beast (atom) bomb. nations have pease between wars of course, but the 2nd great ninja war was jariahs fight the 3rd great ninja war was when kakashi was a teenager, this has been going on and on, and in our world it wasn't much diffrent, untill mutually assured destruction by means of the atom bomb, the major powers of the world haven't made direct war with each other for about 80 years, that's insane historically, the irony is that we know it causes more proxy wars and lesser nations still get the worst end, but this story also comes out of japan, the only nation to be hit by the atomic bomb, twice, to end the war, is it stupid? perhaps... but in real life..... well, do we have a better way that actually works? we don't have a pure hearted superhero who's strong enough to singe handedly stop the baddies, and even if we did we'd need them to be able to scout out all the underhanded schemers, like a supernarutobatman
Lindsay u literally can’t end hate it’s always exist but u gotta understand if u kill ppl from all over they will be afraid to lose more ppl and will force themselves to live in peace and even if they go back to war they will be afraid of way because of the loss and u won’t him to forget about his village and not want his justice but ok for naruto to kill him for his justice that’s not it also sasuke reason for wanting to kill the village was because those ppl were in the village enjoying peace that had itachi sacrifice his whole family and clan for
Lindsay might be letting her hate cloud her judgment. she says pain's "temporary peace" AKA mutually assured destruction would never work. especially when we have a really big real-life example of said method working (cold war).
I’m going to comment first just to spite the people who usually do.
Lmao
They should watch one more ep today 😭
Your conversation at the end was amazing. You two make great points
I understand that she is angry with Pain xD, but he has a very strong point, I remember seeing this for the first time and I thought, "man, I don't have an answer either", he left Naruto speechless, the person who arcs before didn't shut up his mouth in front of any enemy, he knows that Pain is right, humans cannot understand each other in a world as cruel as the shinobi, I love Pain as a character, it is very well written and perfectly represents the cycle of hatred, perhaps more than the other villains that will appear later
We need more villains like this
Its not lindsey's fault i think....that was our first reaction of when pain killed kakashi and destroyed the village(in mind he killed jiraiya as well). We can say that she's being biased and all but its obvious.... if we wouldn't have saw nagato's story, i don't think we would've liked the character as we do now and (SPOILER) he (nagato) who has given up on everything and wants "peace" was opposite of jiraiya's determination of bringing peace to the world... and when he saw the same determination in naruto.... he understood his mistake and to atone for his sins he sacrifices himself to save the village so i won't exactly call it "talk no jutsu"... but yeah... we love the character because we know what made him this
Btw love your reactions... react on black clover sometime
And yeah carson PLZ protect her from spoilers like naruto's spoilers are everywhere .........i knew that kakashi was the 6th hokage before pain arc that ruined that movement
(Although i had no clue about rinne birth)
But whatever
Love ur reactions
Good day!
It almost happen to everyone who watch Pain arc.
At first when Pain kills and messed up with every main and important character in Naruto they will hate him.
But after Nagato resurrect everyone that he kill since the first time he arrive at the village,especially when he give his last speech and story about Jiraya,Yahiko and Konan and when the Pain arc end people will say "I really love Pain,Pain arc is one of the best arc in anime history,etc".
Lol I always found out people reaction like that
Your hate towards pain ends when you realize all of his words are true!
Lindsay is too biased against Pain and not really understanding his speech. There are a lot of proxy wars going on in the world. This applies to today. Ppl dying, losing family members, homes etc. when they become the next Pain, what will you say to them? Pain is nuanced and his speech is one of the best. Wished Lindsay gave more nuanced reply than saying “ he is wrong, hate him”. If you can feel Konoha Pain, then you should feel Pains’ Pain what happened to their land, family after the Wars.
It's fascinating how differently we perceive these characters.
Pain wants others to feel the pain he feels. And by doing so than understanding each other is a huge step in peace. And just because someone becomes a friend doesnt mean it says that way forever.
She just hates him and denying the fact that he is right he himself said it that it's just momentarily peace unless you give him another idea which Naruto doesn't have or anyone he met have so that's why he is doing it
It's not momentary peace. Pain wants to create a big power able to judge those who dare hurt any person. (yeah, like an actual state) Pain said "Humans can't understand each other and they never will" just like real humans. We live under the state protection, we've donated our "strength" to the state, so the state will give us protection. That what's pain wants. The realist solution ever.
In the age of 2000's, she is probably enjoying nuclear peace and criticizing pain's idea. What a hypocrite.
Peace is because economic reasons, not nuclear. People clearly do not give a flying f*ck if the other side got nuclear bombs. But then again, people do not care if they are on death row, it does not change the amount of people willing to commit a crime
pains philosophy is the greatest, the peace tht naruto brought is slowly ending in just like 15 years
No it didn’t
pains idea was to make all nations that was warring eachother to destroy eachother to see the errors of their ways by letting all of them kill eachother and inflict mass killing on each side. The mass of deaths was his idea of people letting pain and reality smack them in the face and be like "oh shit didnt like that, lets not fight ever again"
Pain is just trying to save us from Boruto
the problem is people who only have visions of "peace" stays only as vision. we want a peaceful world then what are we going to do about it? just talk hoping that it would just happen? pain understand the war deeper, naruto looked like a kid playing hero with no concrete plans afterwards.
lool she said "push yourself" that is just cold @14:33 loooool 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Pain' speech it is amazing, a little bit nihilistic but with so much sense
Where Was Sai The Whole Time In These Episodes 🤦♂️
He was with yamato i think and with anko too
Chasing kabuto
Is it me or does Lindsay has two different color eyes and if she does that’s pretty cool
Yes
bro she’s so mad she can’t even see the truth 😂 pain is the goat tbh
Makes sense to me when tragedy came to the US in 9/11 everyone grieved, they all felt that pain. As Ibiki the interrogation specialist guy said “pain is the most reliable form of communication” which is sad. So eventually America stopped grieving and planned ahead what to do but of course didn’t have all the facts and more deaths occurred.
It reminds me the movie Watchmen, where Ozymandias is responsible for 50 million deaths. In order to stop a nuclear war, all that war was stopped because of the pain that suddenly befell everyone. Imagine something liken that happening in real life? That type of disaster would teach everyone through pain to become a pacifist...
lindsey: he is just taking naruto's teachers one by one
pain: hello there naruto I am your new teacher now