BTR#21 1968 Fender Twin Reverb "Drip Edge" Silverface
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- the “Blackface” Fender Twin Reverb is widely popular for being a reliable hi-end powerful amplifier that suits the needs of many jazz, country, blues and rock guitar players.
In mid-1967 the Fender Twin Reverb underwent a cosmetic restyling and was given the “silverface” or silver panel look that would become a trademark of the following decade.
A few months after the new cosmetics were introduced, some changes were also made under the hood.
The early Fender silverface amplifiers made between mid-1967 and mid-1969 had an aluminium trim or thin frame surrounding the speaker grill cloth edges, they are usually nicknamed "drip edge" models. The transitional features of these amplifiers deserve some investigation!
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Geez this is consistently the best stuff on the topic. Wish more people knew. Thank you Bob.
Thank you so much for kind feedback Junior, please feel free to subscribe the channel for more and help me to spread the word! : )
I just got lucky this past weekend at a farm auction and bought a black line- drip edge along with a Fender PS 160 vocal amp and vintage RCA type 77-DX microphone.
Congratulations! Sounds like you had a great deal!
Fender is great and Squure is also great and highly underated. I feel and hsve also been toldl after petformances that I'm a world class guutarist .so my opinions truky mattet .Fender is great and so are Peavey
I just got the sweetest deal on the planet for a 68 Custom Fender Twin reissue. $465 off Facebook Marketplace. The guy was needing money and we made the deal.
My buddy said "Oh I've heard a Fender Twin before". Until he heard this one. With my $50 pawn shop find Squire strat, it just SINGS!
Congratulations on your deal Hugh! Awesome $515 setup! 😀
But what about all the forum guys that will cry about the "brown turd" caps...LOL These are in all the coveted drip edge and early 70's amps and sound just fine. But unfortunately many replace with "tone sucking" orange drop caps cuz they follow the other sheep on the forums.
I have a 73 DR with brown and blue blobs and it sounds great. Also a 70 Champ with brown blobs and it sounds great. I've had others too. I just want to be clear that these are fine componants. Thank you and goodnight!
Thank you Blueguitar, that makes sense, absolutely! In a vintage amp I would recommend to only change the caps that strictly need to be replaced.
I prefer the Sure SM57, and after many amps the last 60 years I own three 1978 Fender Twin Reverbs. Using only one, with one as a back up and if one goes into the shop, I still have a back up. I use an ADA preamp in front of the twins, and if I want to go above 1 and a half, nobody likes me. But it is awesome. You can hear my guitars going through my rig and using an SM57at'; CZcams, Joe Logsdon & Company.
Thank you for sharing your experience and sounds Joe. You are wise to have proper backups : )
...and yes, in most situations going above 1 and a half is challenging for band mates and audience!
Hello Bob....Alriiiiiiight!!!
Hello Giulio! Felice che il video ti sia piaciuto, grazie per il commento!
This information is EXACTLY what I was looking for to help me with my purchasing decision.
Thank you!
Thank you for your kind feedback Monk. Please feel free to browse among the other content of the channel and to keep in touch! : )
@@BobsToneReview I have and am now a subscriber.
@@themonk51, thank you, great to have you onboard! : )
Excellent demo and information, thank you and looking forward to your next video
Thank you for your encouraging feedback and for keeping an eye on the channel Doug!
I tuoi video ed il tuo canale sono sempre più interessanti, continua cosi!!! Grande 👍👍👍👍!!!!
Grazie del feedback incoraggiante Paolo, ci proverò! : )
Another great video, Bob! Really love them.... greetings from Brazil!
Thank you so Much Luis, greetings right back!
Great review! Thanks!!
Thank you for your feedback Luis, please feel free to browse among the other content of the channel!
i'm going to check out a black line drip edge fender twin reverb tomorrow. this video was extremely helpful
Thank you Jesse, I'm glad for that!
grande Bob, sei la Bibbia vivente del vintage!!! ciao!!
Ha! Ha! Grazie Fabrizio!
Amazing, as always!
Thank you so much, dear Antonio! : )
Very nice Bob!!! Complimenti!!
Grazie del feedback Gianluca, benvenuto tra gli amici di BTR! : )
Thank you for the info
Thank you for your kind feedback Ronnie, please feel free to browse among the other content of the channel.
I just converted my 73 to AC568. Loving it so far. I actually like the fact it has slightly less headroom and I like the chime. Instant Keef. Liking it more than AB763!
Sure, it's a matter of personal taste after all... Only I'm pretty convinced that the AB763 has earlier breakup than AC568.
@@BobsToneReview I guess it depends on a lot of variables. My understanding is that the lower values in the silverface era phase inverter and the dropping resistors contribute to much more power tube distortion and less blocking distortion and flub. Anyway this amp the AC568 was the "Brown Sugar" tone. Check out: czcams.com/video/sVBfyt6PP9o/video.html
You won't get that sound from AB763.
@@cgavin1 Thank you but... not quite convinced yet : ) I'm with you as for "chime" of Silverface circuits though.
@@BobsToneReview The AC568 was not well received by players and collectors, giving silver panel Fenders their bad reputation.
@@johnconstantinides This is mentioned in the video. It is also true that silver panel amps have their fans (see comments above) and their character has been revaluated in recent years.
Ciao Bob!ma come fai?!?sei wikipedia del vintage!subito mi piace prima di aver visto il video,grande!come si dice qua da me....TE SON TROPA ROBA!!!!👏👏👏👏
ih! ih! Grazie Lorenzo, spero che tu non abbia ritirato il like dopo aver visto il video! : ))
@@BobsToneReview non mi permetterei MAI!!!!Bellissimo video,tutte le nozioni,le cose che sai...sei il numero uno!adesso sono in trepidante attesa del seguito👍🏼
Grazie Lorenzo, sei sempre caro e mi offri una bella energia nel proseguire in questo progetto!
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Ciao Bob, le uniche modifiche per la conversione del circuito sono quelle indicate al min.9:10-9:16?
Si Guitarsphere, sono solo state rimosse resistenze e altri componenti "posticci", credo sia una modifica relativamente semplice per chi ha dimestichezza col saldatore.
Bellissimo video e grande tono la LP con i soap bar e il Twin. Ma toglimi una curiosità, stavi usando un pedale? perché si vede che il volume è a 3 mentre il suono è bello saturato e comunque perfettamente definito.
Grazie Pasino, sono felice che il video ti sia piaciuto! Si, per ottenere un po' di crunch a volume contenuto ho utilizzato un vecchio Fulltone Fulldrive 2 del 1996.
@@BobsToneReview Grazie della risposta e, ripeto, che gran timbro.
Grazie a te del feedback e dell'interessamento@@pasinomariamocellin6894 !
Did you change to blue caps? How does the amp sound now? Can you tell the difference? Does it sound more Fenderey? Was it worth it to make the changes?
Hello Robert, I kept the original caps, which sound owesome. They are the first generation non-blue caps. The changes in the circuit were not dramatic, consisted only in dropping a few resistors. Honestly I could not state that I noticed significant changes; in fact the circuit was already very close to blackface specs. Without the CBS resistors the amp should be more prone to breakup... but it's hard to breakup a Fender Twin Reverb anyway! : )
@@BobsToneReview I've got one just like yours in excellent condition! Problem is I don't think it sounds very Fenderey! Doesn't really sound like a Fender. Not much chime or spank. It has Utah speakers. Thought maybe if I put some JBLs or Jensen speakers in it I would get what I'm looking . What do you think? Thank you for your comments!
@@robertdurrwachter I think that it could be a great idea, speakers are the best and simplest way to upgrade an amplifier:
BTR#22 czcams.com/video/W2enC7aRJw0/video.html The Jensen Speakers Upgrade - Vintage
BTR#23 czcams.com/video/hUo-sB7Iq6I/video.html The Jensen Speakers Upgrade - Modern
You don't need to change the caps! Stop following guys on forums that are cork sniffers and repeat things worse than a parrot. I've replaced brown blob caps with blue Sozos and I can't hear any difference. Amps with brown and blue blobs got extra wax on the boards which collects dirt and can causevoltage to leak across it thus people blame the caps; a simple fix is reflowing the solder and the wax mels away a little thus stopping the leakage. I think I'm guilty of replacing a cap or two for this reason unnessecarily. It's not common knowledge. You can also shave some of the waz off by the caps too.
I had a 73 Champ that sounded too bright to me. A tech friend was going over it and we just for fun replaced the brown caps with orange drops and it sounded really sterile and even tinnier. I totally stay clear of old amps where the bypass cpas are replaced with orange drops - it shows ignorance and also other unnecessary mods. The only caps the *usually need replaing are the electrolytic caps for power supplu (filter caps) and small ones on the board, they won't affect tone really if done with correct values. Always check for blown resistors too and if the good old fat brown resistors are replaced with tiny blue ones. They won't really affect much but you can get NOS resistors on Ebay cheap.
Ciao, bel post👌🏻
Nella registrazione al minuto 9:57 l'amplificatore ha già il circuito modificato in blackface?
Sono molto interessato all'argomento perchè ho una dual showman drip edge il cui circuito dovrebbe essere pressoché identico..
Grazie del tuo commento Guitarsphere! Sì, confermo che al momento del test, l'ampli era già stato modificato in blackface. In effetti avrei potuto chiarirlo meglio nel filmato. Ottima scelta il Dual Showman vintage! Se ti interessano i contenuti del canale e ti va di supportarlo, iscriviti per tenere d'occhio i prossimi video : )
Iscritto ;) Grazie! Bel crunch! Hai aggiunto un overdrive?@@BobsToneReview
Grazie a te! Si @@guitarsphere, ho collegato un Fulltone Fulldrive 2 del 1997 (no mosfet) in "Comp-Cut" mode
Ciao, una curiosità: a che tacca di volume comincia a distorcere dopo la modifica? Grazie in anticipo.
Ciao Emilio , grazie per il tuo interesse e per la domanda. Purtroppo mi è difficile rispondere così in dettaglio, anche perché il vecchio potenziometro del volume ha probabilmente perso un po' della sua precisione. Comunque dopo che avrò girato il prossimo episodio probabilmente saprò darti qualche elemento più chiaro.
@@BobsToneReview Ti ringrazio! Attendo pazientemente allora!
Grazie @@umanile , posso comunque anticiparti che dopo le modifiche, non ho riscontrato una ricaduta sostanziale sull'abbassamento della soglia di distorsione; l'ampli ha però "recuperato terreno" sul piano della qualità rispetto ad un Vibroverb Blackface con cui ho potuto fare un confronto diretto.
@@BobsToneReview Accidenti, allora se non stavi usando dei pedali dovevi essere davvero alto per aver quel distorto!
Ho sempre adorato il twin reverb, ma è un ampli che ha davvero troppa "potenza di fuoco!"
Ottima osservazione @@umanile! In realtà ho usato un leggero overdrive ed un pizzico di boost per ottenere quel timbro "crunchy". Non ho voluto specificarlo nel video perché temevo di diventare troppo pedante... Comunque devo dirti che hai ragione, la "potenza di fuoco" c'è tutta ma è anche vero che è molto dosabile...
Is this guys brothers The Wild and CReeeeZY guys Slovak of SNL circa 1980's or what though???
Very nice Bob! I've worked on these and other Fender's for 30 years. It's too bad that None of the "reissue" Fender's can come anywhere close to the sound/tone of these. The Reissue `65 & `68 series sound terrible!
I'm happy that you enjoyed LP Custom! Thank you for the information; it's ironical that sometimes a reissue costs even more than a good original vintage silverface.
Nice Demo, but you really need to tune that guitar.
Heavy stuff. Be prepared to wear some Etymotics!
it's crazy that the Dual Showman isn't a more popular amp... it's the exact same as the Twin but in head form, so easily choose whatever cab you want, and it's wayyyy lighter.
Good point Charles; while the brownface Showman is quite popular among vintage Fender enthusiasts, the silverface dual showman is not really sought after.
@@BobsToneReview The Blackface is sought after, just like any other blackface. (And the drip edge silverface is just a blackface). Still, just talking about Twins in general... I'd much rather have a Dual Showman with choice of cab and lighter weight.