Are They Gay? - Derek Hale and Stiles Stilinski (Sterek)
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A video series tackling the one question facing many same-sex couples throughout history: Are They Gay?
In this episode we explore the relationship between Stiles and Derek from Teen Wolf, a subject of much debate. Do you think they're in love?
Suggest more pairings in the comments!
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Gay
shollyboster this gave me sooooooooo much hope for sterek it literally made my chest hurt thanks for making this video.
Haha, thanks! But I didn't make it. My best friend did.
I'll second that!
whERE
shollyboster they are not gay okay have you seen Tyler poseys fiance and have u seen Dylan O'Brien's girlfriend and bro its just a damn movie geez and he's not gay geezzz so stop saying he's gay before I........
Stiles' father was right. He's not gay, he is actually BISEXUAL
Badass parents always know
Hanna S facts😂😂
Bilessexual?
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT why is bisexual a cursed word in this show?
Naseem R to the MTV executives when talking about a lead male yeah it’s a curse word. Apparently the early jokes by stiles were meant to suggest he was gay/bi but someone at MTV decided that Stiles was too important to be anything but straight thus why all the gays and bi boys were second and third tier parts.
“Let’s try to examine it with an.. open mind.”
*Stiles is 100% bi*
Do do do do bi yo bi
Lmfao
Um half scenes where nothing to do with anything to do with him being bi or anything. There was a time all virgins where on the hook of being killed where he was desperate and they count that as him being gay at that moment. that is not gay it is survival nothing to do with it they counted 3 scenes from that time. Also the whole gay bar thing was for them to get information so they ahd to play a role that isn't gay it is acting. I could point out more. I can also point out through all the way through the first and second season Stiles loved lydia as well as his big backstory of always loving her. Then his crush and relationship he got with malia. not once in the entire series he ever went for guy or even tried (Other then the survival thing but that really doesn't count was more a joke) Like when he fell on darek it was just an accident also those Darek scenes aren't even factual. He used darek because he knew danny was gay not himself. ALso him saving derek the water is for more then one reason he stayed for 2 hours one the lizard thing would have killed them both if he tried to get out, Stiles isn't a asshole or anything he doesn't want to be a horrible person and let Darek drown they need each other he pointed out that is just being smart. Also stiles ended up with lydia Like seriously people try to make everyone gay or bi now even when its not intended or even they are. Can't have a secen just to be funny which is what most of them are.
@@dracophoenixttv if one must write such an unwieldy and twisting mishmash of words to refute stile's unstraightness, i am only further convinced of it lmfao
@@marchabuyuan-llanes684 wasn't even a mismash of words pure fact you just don't want to except. Its ignorance on your point. When the video itself didnt use fact just hand picked secens which they put miss information about. My info was correcting those and explaining the counter argument.
If Stiles was a girl, "she" would have dated Scott, Jackson and Derek by the end of season 1.
Cal Latata honestly
Don't forget Danny!
@@miraculousaly-bug2411 Danny is gæ
facts
and Theo!OMG
“Scott is too busy being stupid,” the whole series in a nutshell
Lmao I hated Scott during the whole show
@@unfortunateanchor1717 why
A I just found him hard to relate to and bland in general
@demarstewart follow hi. On tic tok
@c a s a b l a n c a s I thought I was the only one who thought this
"Are you lonely?"
*Bisexual silence*
Derek: "Maybe"
1.7k likes, no comments, kinda odd, i just ruined it, you're welcome
I've never understood it 'til now. Amazes how hidden were those things 😹
BYEEE THUGHBJFTVH
“They meet a really edgy Jacob from Twilight with a just as generic name....
DEREK”
Willow A I am rewatching that part again and again still too funny 😹😹
@@ipek6851 same, lol
Willow A
I like Jacob but derek is AWESOME and Tyler Hoechlin fitted the part so well
Just
Derek
Touche
"Danny disappeared."
Worst executive decision. Danny was best boi. His romance with Ethan was amazing.
it wasn't an "executive decision" Keahu Kahuanui, the actor who plays Derek, left the show because of HIS choice but he asked Jeff not to kill him off or anything incase he wanted to come back later which he never did. do not falsely accuse Jeff Davis of anything, especially when your so misinformed.
@@leannal-t791 I didn't mean anything against Jeff Davis. I love him! The point I was trying to make was that I loved Danny on the show. I wasn't actually talking about a real "executive" decision but simply a decision that probably required a lot of paperwork. Figurative speech. I understand if that wasn't relayed across text very well. What an interesting fact about ol' Danny boi's actor! I didn't know that, mate! 😊
Leanna L-T same without Daniel. But let’s be honest here, both gents may have been encouraged by how poorly their characters were treated by the writers
yes, indeed it was.
i miss danny with a burning passion. he is indeed the best boi.
I can’t count the amount of times stiles (and literally every Dylan O’Brien character) has been shoved against a wall...
~ bottom energy ~
Lucia Patterson examples? I know the two teen wolf ones, but other characters?
Lydia Taylor there was one in the maze runner
In Sterek Stiles is definitely a bottom but in The Maze Runner and with Newtmas he’s a top lmao 😂
Helen Zhang the third one?
He played a gay character in that CZcams serie, in one ep.
"touching"
derek: slams stiles' head on the steering wheel
Imagine the reaction if Derek did that to a girl lmao
I died omg
I was about to comment that LMAO
Ikr😂
That sent me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"You're not gay."
"Wha-I could be!"
😂😂😂
This sounds like me 3 years ago
Last year I found out I'm bi
Vicky Tsak I'm bi as well.
Lolz No “Not dressed like that.” 😂😂
김현진 nani me three lol
"Not dressed like that
The queerbaiting in Teen Wolf is criminal.
Wdym, there’s like, 10 lgbt main characters lmao
Except thiam and sterek, everyone else are clearly 100% straight or gay (or any other sexualites)
@@yay7707 No theirs not. Have you not seen the video? The lgbt characters are only side characters.
@@coleb5466
No?? Mason and Corey was part of the main set in season 5 & 6
Ethan was one of the main antagonist/anti hero of season 3 and reappeared in season 6
Jackson was the main characs in season 1 & 2 and reappeared in season 6
@@yay7707 you notice how none of those characters lasted the whole show😒it’s bc they’re side characters
@@twizzthegoblin3650 Well, technically only Scott, Stile and Lydia lasted the whole shows. The other either died or came in later
The queerbaiting in this show is painful on another level
Correct people need to stop being b u s s y S and make gay things more Cannon
you should watch sherlock...it's worse.
hailey oh my gosh yes
hailey still holding out for a season 5 lmao.... or at least a better season 4
Only the fanfictions help
Just saying, if styles was a girl, it would've been canon
Preach 🤘
*Stiles
But he's not and he's awesome that way :)
SO FUCKING TRUE
obvs, after the first two episodes they would've already shown some clear romantic interest to each other if stiles was a girl
"They're all just emo loners" honey aren't we all
Truuuuue
Yes
Can we just talk about the fact that Stiles was 100% ready to commit to coming out to his dad just to explain why he was at a gay bar?
True
Show: this male character is straight
Me: okay
Character: *makes eye contact with an unnamed male npc*
Me: they're gay, the canon is false
Lmao💀
That's me!
i do that like about 98°/. of the time the 2°/. the characters are canonically part of the LGBTQ+ community
The main reason Sterek is so successful is because Dylan and Tyler have an extreme chemistry offscreen and it comes through onscreen
Russo Italiano I agree, I actually see not much of a relationship between the characters...
Same thing happens in Supernatural with pretty much the entire cast but especially the leads (Sam, Dean, Cas, and the big bad/cool half decent probably not going to be a villain next season[*cough* Crowley, Meg, etc *cough])
I actually feel Stiles and derek have zero chemistry. The only reason people ship them, is because they are two very cliché character tropes., aka the sarcastic asshole sidekick, and the dark broody anti hero. It's what instantly made me lose all interest in them.
I also don’t see any chemistry between them, but that’s partly because I don’t think Tyler Hoechlin can act very well
Edit: at least in TW, because I've seen a trailer of his recently where he's really fleshed out and seems to be doing a great job, tbh. It was probably the same issue as Scott, where they weren't written well but were still good actors.
@@liliaeth no.. that's not the reason I ship them
"A raging bisexual"
Can we talk about how Jennifer acts a lot like Stiles before you find out she's the darach and that's how she attracts Derek. Like, she is basically a female Stiles
Should I point out Paige looked like a female version of Stiles?
Never thought about this 😯
The bisexual club question scene was also cast in pink and blue light, the whole scene was in bisexual colors. There's a lot more gay hints in the production. Hidden themes, but it was alllllll queerbait. The show used gay fans for publicity and then betrayed them. There's also the queerbaiting that happened outside of the show- look up Stiles and Derek on a boat. What the show runners did to the show was horrible. Teen Wolf is toxic.
I mean, did you even watch the video?
he literally includes that clip here.
That's not okay. If they wanted to make this show that progressive and set in a world without homophobia it would have made more sense two make these two end up together...
@@Ross_mo the person probably made the comment before watching
The producer of the show is gay. He knows what the people want to see 😭
@@kendelle4216 but he also backstabbed us :(
sterek is "bizarre, weird, and twisted" yet the show literally shoved down a pairing of Derek and Kate (the woman who molested him and killed his entire family)
Some non sterek-supporting fans say the age difference of stiles being around 17 and derek being in his mid-twenties would be too big for a couple but between derek and kate are at least ten years as well... :P derek and kate is what's "bizarre, weird, and twisted"
not even going to consider peter/lydia here.
But the show never depicted Derek and Kate as a positive thing. In fact, I don't think they ever depicted their relationship at all, just referenced it. Kate was always Derek's terrible, abusive ex.
Lauren Hicks Season Four had Kate come back to life turn Derek into a teenager and make out with him in one scene. The writers also admitted to writing sex scenes that are disturbing and shocking purposely. It's the reason Dylan O'Brien put his foot down for a sex scene between Stiles and Malia while both were fucked up in the head and resting in a Mental Asylum
Its all about the writer and their writing skills. I have seen fanfic writers write most beautiful Sterek stories with amazing main storylines without anything being "bizarre, weird, and twisted". Jeff Davis milked us Sterek fandom only to shut us down. He put a lot of minute telltales which was enough for him to start something about Sterek, instead he just baited us with those small telltales, and he chose not to, because he simply couldn't be creative enough. I might watch Teen wolf again if the show was written by any of the talented writers on 'Archives of our own' than accept the excuse he gave and watch his show.
Hello! You could pass me some of those talented sterek stories. I would like to read them.
the time when i properly started noticing sterek is when they fell on top of each other after being paralysed in season 2... i'm sorry, but there is no heterosexual explanation for that...
Everything sterek is so unexplainable
Right
The explanation is literally that they were paralysed.. i- how is that gay i don't get this ship lmao
@@netagenis7235 Idk. I just see it as a joke. Because it's so funny cause Derek gives of these cold vibes and it's so funny to see Stiles panic
@@lucielisnerova7246 but Derek is always cold and Stiles is always panicking it has nothing to do with the ship... It's literally just them being themselves.
16:27
“always touching...”
*sLAMS STILES HEAD ON THE WHEEL.*
He was demonstrating on how to give he-
I'm not laughing a little
💀💀
But for guys that totally counts as touching.
To be fair, it’s Tyler (Scott’s actor) who said that Sterek was a twisted thing and, if I’m not wrong, the other Tyler (Derek’s actor) defended Sterek’s shippers by saying that SOME actors *cough* Scott’s *cough* said unnecessary and rude things to fans and that we shouldn’t listen to them
he had a point since sterek shippers literally attacked his mom on twitter months before she died of cancer, so.
@@CaioGPL w ha t
terrible Hom0 yeah it happened on twt
@@CaioGPL of course it happened on twt 😭
@@CaioGPL tf😭
even the actors said they would have liked to do "sterek" at the show
Peppermint patty e x a c t l y
Any links ?
Any proofs?
They were freaking joking
THEN WHY THE FUCK THEY DIDN'T?.I am sorry I am just ranting.
"To the untrained eye stiles might look like a straight dude."😂
Ash Flowers but didnt he have a crush on Lydia?
Mystical_vixen XD bi
Gabrielle yeh
@@ghosh_tea4847 yeah but she’s like the only girl for hi. 90% gay 10% straight Stiles is super to the gay end of the bi spectrum
@@grahamparks1645 okay sheesh that was me three years ago I apologise for my 11 year old self PLS of course he’s bi 😭😭
bruh stiles literally said "I want you" to Derek when they were in his room and Derek pushed him up against a wall
When was this?!🤭 what season,and episode was this 🥴?!?
*wait when I need to know what episode pls*
It’s what it sound like but he didn’t actually say that
I don’t get how so many people don’t see it. It’s not delusional shipping when their every single interaction gets intimate for no reason. Why did they make Derek go to Stiles's house in S1 Ep9, make him pin Stiles against the wall with just silence for 10 seconds and then make him undress in-front of Stiles and his gay friend. In season 2 they're paralyzed and fall on top of each other with other characters making weird comments about it. If Stiles was a girl then this would absolutely be seen as romantic. At the end we were robbed and qveerbaited, so disgusting...
@@umacharan9281 literally i just started watching teen wolf and i’ve been waiting for sterek for the longest time . yet i haven’t found anything which is so annoying seeing how much chemistry they have.
Me at anything: yes its gay
S A M E
Not very healthy, but ok
🙋🙋🙋
Same
@@marinagemoftheseas why not?
When you realize Derek needs to stop being with women...
yeah coz all of them were either kill or be killed
Exactly 😏
So much fanfiction start from this
faCTS SISSSS
Yeah he’s bad at women better with Stiles and Isaac
It may be my *HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA* talking 😂
Curtle Turtle at least he’s honest
ctfangirl lol oop I-
just make a season 7 and let them get married pls
THIS
THIS
frr
EXACTLY
yES
Stile's "That is so sweet, are you kidding?" HAD ME
You know what's funny?
If this was between girl and a guy everybody would ship it, but because it's guy and a guy 50% of people don't ship it. And the only reason why this ship didn't happen is Tyler Posey.
Keti Čović wait what did he have to do with it
Basically he called us Sterek fans crazy and said that we were watching the show for the wrong reasons. AKA If you're watching this show for anything but MY character, then you're wrong
Keti Čović tbh that’s prolly true
Ingrid- Didn't he also actively speak against it being on the show too, when it came up in production? I heard somewhere he'd told Jeff he didn't want it on the show.
And like seriously to call the biggest most wholesome ass ship on your show (One of the biggest on the internet at the time), which both of your best friends who are in the ship support, and which a good 2/3 of the fandom love, "sick and twisted", like how homophobic and tiny do you have to be? I know he was like 20-something, but damn bitch, you knew damn well that was by no means fucking acceptable and yet you really did it anyway? He was damn gross.
I KNOW! His jealous ass was just burning with envy bc he wasn't involved xD because than he goes in guest shows and talks about his "bromance" with Dylan, like, hypocrite much? If I'm honest the whole time I watched crack vids or commercial of TW I thought that Stiles was the main character, like cmon, Dylan just got one of those faces, and imagine my disappointment when I found out that it wasn't him but a lame Marty Stu 😭
“It may be my *homosexual agenda* talking” is literally me all the time
I'm sad you didn't include the moment at the end of season 4 when Derek nearly dies from a bezerker and he's lying on the ground and tells everyone to just go and save Scott,, Stiles was the only one to look back about 7 times before finally running with them
Does anyone else have the habit of never watching a show or never being part of a fandom (in this case for me, Teen Wolf), but still end up reading a shit ton of the fanfic anyway? I mean I've burned through like 8 pages of Sterek fanfic on AO3 in the past three days, and I still don't know the names of like half the characters.
Gays and Ships and Lays Potato Chips dude literally same
Same but i watching now
:D So I am not the only one finding sterek fanfics more satisfying than tv series...
I've never watched a goddamn episode and it still makes up most of my ao3 bookmarks.
I've been reading Teen Wolf fanfiction for about five months now but I still won't touch the show lol
_Completely necessary teen romantic comedy music_
choked on my nonexistent salad.
I know Im really late but Sterek would have been perfect at the end for their storyline. Derek opens up to loving again but it happens for a man and Stiles is no longer insecure and alone. A lovely ending.
this would have made so much sense especially considering the fact that Stiles and Derek literally arrive together to Beacon Hills, and Derek looking at Stiles not so subtly when Malia kissed Scott? Hello CHEMISTRY!
Side note, Hoechlin said in the last frame where they all walk together, He(as Derek) pats Stiles chest and winks at him but it was cut ?!
Fuck Jeff Davis
So here's an easter egg : Notice how fast Stiles recognises Derek and knows so much about his family? Well other people don't a Derek isolated himself for years, even if Stiles knew about the fire from sneaking around his dad's files but there is no way in hell he would know it's Derek's family. It's been years! The case was closed and there definitely were more such fires, so how does Stiles remember?
Moving on, Scott had no idea about what was happening but Stiles' first guess was 'werewolf'. Now the question is, why? There could be anything else out there. Scott didn't even think it was an wolf bite, he thought it was a dog! So how did Stiles know so much? And why did he bring him closer to Derek's burnt home?
Well my guess is, the guy who helped Derek make it through the fire is actually Stiles. He saw things he shouldn't have and it didhbn't make sense. But Stiles' curiosity obviously led him to research to an extent enough to believe in werewolves. Scott's situation only made him surer.
+ uhm Danny and Ethan aren't the ones with more screentime, it's mason and corey.
Theo and Liam reminded me of Derek and Stiles they’re like a mini version
Omg... Woah
.....huh.
OMG
Omg, this could be a powerful hidden plot thoughout the 6 seasons
You remind me there's a scene of Stiles's words to Allison's dad, that he sarcastically brought up the fire scene of Hale's, and got really angry about it as if he was there
A world without homophobia.
Where gay jokes are constant.
Mmm-kay.
gay jokes are allowed if the person who made the whole thing was gay himself. oh wait, he is.
@@BrolyTheSaiyanofLegend I'm not saying they aren't allowed. I'm saying it doesn't make sense to have them if the aim was to make a show set in a "world without homophobia", since even lighthearted gay jokes told by gay people are based on prejudices.
Eoin Campbell in a world without homophobia unless an network executive decides you are a lead role cause lead males can’t be gay. Or bi
@@BrolyTheSaiyanofLegend jokes aren’t homophobia
@@wipeEU pretty sure jokes about gay and bi people when told from a straight person’s pov ARE homophobia since they are based on prejudice and oppression
"The phone-plan doesn't work out really well beacuse Scott is too busy being stupid."
Dead. THIS. This is the show ahahahaha
Entropia906 that is literally what I said😂😂😂
this is literally the show LMFAO
Bro watched the show with his eyes closed
Let’s not forget when Derek is going through a really rough time and can’t distinguish reality from dreams and it’s styles how comes to his rescue for support, only to realise it was a dream sequence and Styles is literally Derek’s dream boy, hero
In my experience, if the question needs to be asked?
Yes. They are gay.
dont forget that it was canon during s3b finale that stiles was derek's anchor. Derek immediately thought of Stiles to bring himself back to consciousness.
PotterYouRotter7 yeah then everything went downhill from there
IT'S NOT GAY IF YOU
V A P E.
I laughed for 5 minutes, I had never heard that.
Stiles's true colors come out
Me: 💖💜💙
Season 2:
Matt: I don't know Derek, I think you both make a beautiful couple...
Me: YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
My family: YESSSSSSSSS!!!!
The whole world: YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
Of course, the great irony is that the show runner is gay.
Wait what....
It's the Gatiss Effect
@@benji_kay what is that?
@@literaIIyshy Kind of an old comment but I think what they meant is the fact that Mark Gatiss is gay and one of the creators of BBC Sherlock which also has a lot of queerbaiting with John and Sherlock. And you would think someone from the lgbtq+ community would try to avoid queerbaiting and just have representation but idk
Honestly that makes the grace lost and I was much better without knowing that. fml
2:19 Stiles is a disaster Bi so his clothes match perfectly
Alyssa's Vlogs Y E S
Fr. I literally dress like that lol
"there's just some girl called erica lying unconcious by the pool?????" I CACKLED BRUH honestly tho erica had a whole lotta character development
"punching him out of sexual frustration! THEYRE LAYING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER"
FINALLY
I DID MY WAITING
12 YEARS OF IT
IN AZKABAN!
AHAAAAA
lettuce salad This is the only comment that matters
lettuce salad TO AZKABAN 😂
IN AZKABAN
i dont even watch teen wolf but im here for this
hopepyrope same
hopepyrope I
I dont watch it because they are not cannon :(
Yes, Its stupid, but I have seen/had already to much non-cannon couples, my heart cant stand it anymore
I only read TW fanfic, never saw an ep. This was a great video.
Same
Just wanna say, I watched the first episode and immediately made a list on how to improve it. One of the first things I wrote was "but they're in college"
As far as I know, college has the same energy but 1) adults of legal consenting age and 2) adults running on caffeine and existential fear. Literally no one would bat an eye at the guy who runs around on the roof, they'd probably be wishing they had enough time and energy to do it themselves.
Honestly I gotta agree. This show would’ve immediately improved if they were in college. They’d still be around their parents if the plot called for it, but have the freedom to do all this crazy stuff.
Don't forget, but when Derek pushed stiles into his room against the wall, I don't know if they realized it, but they looked at each other's mouth more than 4 times :^
I think for Derek it was 6 times and for stiles it was 5 times
Jingle bells
Kate smells
Braeden go away
Stiles is hot
Jennifer's not
Sterek all the way
HEY
Hell yeah!
Are you kidding me, Derek/Braeden was one of the most interesting ships on the show. They were fun and interesting, and I'm saying that as a Scott/Derek shipper
I only think Stiles is bi out of all this list.
I love this! Thank you , You have made my life a lot much better XD
Kiara Kay that’s my anthem now
"A really edgy Jacob from Twilight"
With a generic name "Derek"
Funny thing, both Tylers were almost cast in Twilight. P as Jacob and H as Emmett (IIRC)
You know what’s crazy, I spent 21 minutes in 2020 watching this and I was actually intrigued 😔😩
and now its 2022 and I watched it xD
I can't count how many times Stiles and Derek look at each other's mouth when Derek pushed him up against his door.
I think for Derek it was 6 times and for stiles it was 5 times
"I'll let you decide"
You know what I FREAKING DECIDE
satanpie SANGWOOOOOO!!! Ya read the new chapter, chapter 36?😍😍😍
Dark Wolf late reply but YESYSYYSYS
"did you still wanna discuss your paper?" *super dramatic music* i cant
there was that moment start of season 5 where stiles looks at dereks initials on that bookshelf and I was like yes they are in love
"You like boys too"?
"Yeah do you"?
(Freaks in gay)
"anger at the season 4 finale of Sherlock" SAME
We will never forget. Or forgive.
Trinity omg what happened?
Well, for a start, Johnlock was not made canon, and after all the queerbaiting (because yes, sometimes I can admit people are overseeing things but there is no doubt there was a huge amount of queerbait in Sherlock, to the point that even my family truly believed they were going to end up together) it was disappointing as hell.
It was a very sensible point for the LGBT+ community who saw, again, a ship they truly believed in, throw out of the window, and people making fun of them after that.
But most importantly because the last episode was so... stale. They announced it like "something that will make tv history". And in the end, well, I won't spoil you the episode if you haven't seen it, but there was nothing remotely groundbreaking. The plot was too much and not enough at the same time: the story goes everywhere, but Sherlock's deductions, the essence of the show, are unsatisfying, borderline ordinaries. The "villain" was forgettable, and the conclusion... boring. We were waiting for an incredible ending, and the grand finale, since it's unlikely Sherlock will go for another season, was so anticlimactic.
Truly the big area of Sherlock, season 1 and 2, was over, but with all the propaganda of "how it would mark TV history", we were waiting for something that would leave a mark. A gay couple finally being aired on a mainstream channel, or at least, a truly masterpiece for the last episode of the show (like season 1 and 2 finales were). None of these things were archived. So yes, a lot of anger from the fans.
Agathe R You really hit the nail on the head here.
(SPOILERS)
The whole plot twist with Sherlock having a sister was incredibly contrived and it didn't make sense given the context of the other seasons. And the torture room sequences were like something out of a SAW movie. All the cleverness and maturity was literally drained out of the show during the finale. I was (and still am) incredibly annoyed, I've never seen queerbaiting on that big a level. Mainstream media sees any same sex pairing as a joke, while still using LGBT people and the ambiguous sexualities of characters that mean so much to people to draw in viewership. It's so homophobic and manipulative.
Agathe R intresting.. tbh I gave up on that show just as I did with teen wolf years ago.. the queerbaiting of both just became far too much and I couldn't deal with it that's why I was asking what happened... I stopped so I wasn't aware they're still using such ridiculous tropes
idk if anyone noticed but the scene where stules has the pink fluorescent lipstick on him literally makes him a bisexual flag, the full left side of his face is blue, it fades into purple and blue, then he has the pink on his lips. its so obvious
Isaac Muñoz o.m.g
In my head they are canonically together. Like I watched 9/10ths of the show completely accepting that they're gay and then I heard about the queer-baiting thing and I was like, "Wait what? What do you mean they aren't gonna be a thing? Why am I even watching this then?"
Yeah it was disheartening. 😢
okay so i began watching teen wolf like a month ago (because i generally dont like series) because im writing a story about werewolves and i wanted some inspiration. and honestly! the first half of s1 i didnt even think of sterek. i actually thought more of sciles (with the whole major loyalty and trust stiles had for scott, one mind can fly a little LMAO). however, after s3 and aaaall of the developement in their characters that it involved i can say im firmly a sterek fan. i think theres something really precious in the trust they build around each other, especially on dereks side. we know stiles, we know he gets involved with people and the people he cares about. he saves people, he helps people. thats him, and honestly the treatment he gave derek came off more organic to me than crush-ey. he's just helping him like he'd have helped any other character in the show.
derek though? god, the character grow in derek is DELICIOUS, and i think the way it's shown towards stiles is the reason sterek does it for me. derek started as a lone wolf (no pun intended LMAO), emotionally closed off and only looking for revenge, which was the reason why he needed scott and a pack. him being around scott and 'caring' for him out of selfishness was a given.
now, with stiles? why would he need to care about this human? even when he saved him on and on, nobody would have put past derek to not give back the favor. however, he did. several times, hes shown to care so much for stiles. when stiles was possesed in s3, he was one of the only characters actually actively worrying about his whereabouts and how to find him, along with chris. hes also shown to actually listen to him and his plans, and when the whole guardians humans sacrifices happened, and stiles had expresed his fear about his dad dying, derek seemed to double the energy to save them. not to mention the fact that derek seems to respect and listen to stiles when it comes to plans and stuff, and is the first to doubt his involvement with the nogitsune ("skinny defenseless stiles?" he was disbelieving when people told him the mess had been stiles fault), and to worry about stiles NOT being killed, as he asked chris if he was gonna off him.
all in all i can't say if these feelings derek has over stiles are romantic or just pack bond, or even just him desperately trying to save another teenager he became close with because he couldnt save erika and boyd, but i think its VERY obvious that derek DOES have some sort of feelings over stiles.
and stiles? stiles is just the eternal puppy lover. he seems to fall in love easily. and also 100% bi, even if its just coded (i would know since ive done maaaany of the things he's done in the show and im bi myself LMAO). beyond the sexual tension that they have, i can see this ship having become eaaaasily canon.
however, i think tyler p's distaste for the ship (and honestly i dont think it was distaste bc it was a gay ship, but because it was a ship that was shadowing the MC aka him) played a big part on the decision of not canonizing it. it's sad, because it'd have been one of the first times we get to see a bisexual guy with a mental disorder who's way more than his sexuality or his mental disorder like stiles, and it would have been nice to have someone with a fluid sexuality had derek began dating stiles. i think it would have been very disruptive in the best way. too bad it didnt happen :/
I liked your comment so much. I think Stiles and Derek definitely had romantic feelings for each other, it also kinda grew from Stiles just having a gay crush at first (which is really obvious in S1 and 2) and it’s not just their actions bc when Derek took Stiles as his anchor, when you think about it all anchors in the series if aren’t family are a love interest like Allison to Scott or Lydia to Jackson so why did Derek choose Stiles over Paige or even over Braeden the girl he was kinda like dating in season 4??? And when Stiles put Derek’s name on the king? The most vulnerable figure in chess that has to be protected at all cost, why is it Derek? Why is he so worried about a guy from his friend’s pack than the * childhood * friend himself or the girl he was crushing on since the third grade? Like why give us these scenes for nothing to come out of it in the end??
These two comments speak my mind. So perfectly said.
why does the derek guy have a fidget spinner on his back?
lol. it's a triskelion. look it up
thisismyreallylongname😂😂😂😂😂
It's the triskele 😂
omg 😂😂😂
omg this is beautiful
Honestly speaking I felt more chemistry between Sterek than I felt with over rated, fan servicing stydia. Before S6 it was pretty clear that Stiles and Lydia suit each other as great friends, a great crime solving detective team together but there was absolutely nothing in their scenes together that hinted at sexual tension or romantic chemistry at all. Even Stalia had way more cuteness in one season (s4) than stydia throughout the show. However when stydia did occur in 6a it was purely fan service and also because the show runners needed to get their ratings back up which had dropped drastically during s5 and also because Dylan O Brien was now in fewer episodes than ever and towards that point a lot of people were basically watching the show only cuz of him. Only in an effort to get their ratings back up did they force that stydia kiss upon us. Don't get me wrong, I love Lydia she's such a badass character, I just never saw any chemistry between her and stiles. And 6b is proof of that. When they reunite in the finale there is so much wrong with it 1) Their reunion felt so bland they barely acknowledge each other hardly even say hi which is not typical of a couple whose supposed to be madly in love ending up together after 6 years of implied "love" for each other. And 2) Lydia was happier to see Jackson,(as shown when she runs to embrace him) the guy who mentally and emotionally ABUSED her than she was to see Stiles the guy who genuinely cared about her be it romantic or not. 3) She hardly acknowledges Stiles during the entire season and in earlier seasons she had Stiles around, she knew he had a crush on her since third grade, she should have taken her chance with him when she could. I get that she already had a boyfriend at that time but even after Jackson left she CHOSE to be with Aiden than Stiles even though he was still around and single. 4) Also, as someone below pointed out, In 6A, Lydia's romantic feelings for Stiles just sprout out of nowhere. I mean just because he suddenly says "remember I love you" before disappearing from memory. Like she kinda already knew he liked her, so why did this trigger her feelings for him despite her never harbouring anything more than platonic feelings for him previously? Just makes no sense. Other than all this, I don't even see any chemistry between them , for me Sterek just felt more right, more in place and more genuine and with actual chemistry between not just the characters but the ACTORS too. (Dylan and T. Hoechilin). And it could have truly grown into something phenomenal had the idiotic show runners bothered to explore its potential further. Bet if it was just another girl/boy pairing they would have made it canon.
Stiles and a crush on Lydia since 10 years in Season 1 epispde 1 tho ?
@@lusage1376 thats the result of telling and not showing, we know that stiles liked lydia bc he said he had a crush on her but there was never any chemistry to show us even from stiles' side, and that continued throughout the entire series not to mention lydias feelings came out of no where??
obsessive fangirl OMG same 😭
@obsessivefangirl Your analysis is spot on. Sadly, a lot of other shows do the same thing (Supernatural is the biggest offender, and having one of the main stars, Jensen Ackles, being such a homophobe just makes it worse.)
Your comment is so right! I honestly felt like Stydia were ultimate friendship goals and Sterek has chemistry nobody else on the show (other than Thiam oops) had. Like all the scenes where Stiles so obviously checked Derek out, and how when Derek got deaged Stiles was the first to run to him etc. Just every single episode with them has some sort of chemistry. Even the last episode especially when Derek carried Stiles out in his arms. They were meant to be. So even though the show fucked up and left a sour taste in my mouth I will happily read fanficition and have it still be real... if only the show runners had of known the type of support they would have got if they made it Canon. They would have made ratings that shit all over Stydia...
"Watching for the wrong reason" really means, they should be watching for meeee, I'm the star!
Or it means you're not enjoying the show for what it is and the hard work they're putting into it- you're watching for a story that specifically isn't there.
“We do know that Derek definitely feels... feelings.”
He’s got such a way with words.
13:17 "...but it comes from a place of caring,,,,,,,, GAY CARING"
Lmao
I love your show, but I'm sad it exists. Queerbaiting and uncertain representation is way too common in modern media.
Also, please do Nick Carroway and Jay Gatsby. Thank you.
Definitely!
yup
Stop being so fake offended
(wheeze) Natsby
Carroway and Gatsby YES
I want 2 things:
- Sterek
- the writers to not hate Derek
Stiles is so so so obviously bi. It was hinted at so so so many times.
I love that Hoechlin totally called Posey out on his Sterek comment recently. Unofficially, but we know who he was talking about.
Abby Beard tea!
He did?
Wha???? Whereee??
Uh spill?
Ok u have to be making it up cause i cant find it anywhere
Not gonna lie I would love if Stiles and Derek dated.
me too... :')
I heard that from someone in the comments they were supposed to be cannon but the network said no
i've actually read somewhere that they were suposed to be a real thing but the guy who plays scott was kinda jealous and didnt want them to get all the attention from the fandom so it just poofed away
OMG REALLY?
No, Tyler Posey (Scott's actor) was not the responsible for Sterek not becoming canon, even if he was jealous of the ship's popularity
I mean...if true he kind of wasn't wrong, and it didn't work. Until this week I had never watched an episode of TW, and had no idea what any of these people looked like, but I knew who Derek and Stiles were. Scott? Not really - like I had a vague knowledge that contrary to popular belief stiles and derek weren't the leads of the show, but no idea who the actual lead was.
strongly doubt that he didn't have that kind of power eve if that was true.
Stiles was Derek's anchor and no-one can change my mind
Where have you been?
I have been needing my daily dose of gay.
WackyBisexual Same
Exactly. Where were you? You were sorely missed. I'm glad you be back.
i highly approve your profile pic.
Yup
Uhh, France?
What I hated the most about Derek's character is that no one ever acknowledge the fact that his ex girlfriend murdered his family and then gets betrayed again by his new girlfriends and he's just "fine"?
I've heard, that the writer of the story wanted Stiles and Derek to be gay, but there where to many voices that said that gay main characters shouldn't be part of a kid's show so he decided to take other gay couples
Teen Wolf is a kids show??? Really? 👀
Kids show???!!
Teen Wolf regularly shows explicit violence and sexuality and was aired on MTV. This is clearly not true.
@@bradleescott4786 MTV executives did break the story and stop sterek becoming canon. According to the actors and writers they did want canon sterek but were told no by the network
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I identify as bisexual and I always knew stiles was probably bisexual and it's because I noticed these things. And I'm also so happy that other people have noticed that stuff and that they notice the sexual tension
who's back here after the movie? do we all have complicated feelings about the jeep?
Stiles's big bi energy was largely what brought me to the show, and kept me there through like nearly 5 seasons. Never caught the end of the show, but it's a bit disappointing to hear nothing was ever confirmed on-screen with that. Though really, how could he end up falling for someone else when he has a cool werewolf in his life, constantly playing with his heart?
There's a lot of sexual tension between those two but let's be honest: It's never going to happen.
JustAStrangeGirl it hurts😭
A so does my dick but I'm not complaining
if they honestly make thiam canon we sterek shippers r gng to go insane
Kieran fox haahhah what?
badabing badaboom
I'm glad you talk about Tyler Posey's statement on Sterek. I'm not even a shipper, actually, not even a huge fan of the show, but I was appealed at how rude he was. What about the Stydia shippers (that were already numerous before it became canon)? Are they twisted and watching the show for the wrong reasons? No, if they like to watch the show because they like to see how their relationship develop, it's their rights, just like the sterek shippers.
Now I don't think Sterek has ever had the possibility of becoming canon, their interactions were amazing, but too scarce to really grow into something. That would have been great, but I would have also been perfectly happy to see them form a deep friendship. Too bad Hoechlin left the show.
Edit: wait nevermind, just saw the new teaser, Derek is definitely back.
A non Teen Wolf viewer here and honestly that and statements similar to his are bulllshit.I don't think the actors mean to hurt anybody but some have a tendency to write off viewers that see a potential queer relationship in an insulting way while fans of a straight will they won't they storyline are encouraged to keep watching FOR that couple and are seen as more legitimate by some crew members of shows.
Exactly, and even so, it wasn't even concerning his character. Hoechlin and O'Brien have always been respectful toward the viewers who shipped them together. Posey actually said that statement when the question was directed at Hoechlin, who after that, tried to repair the damage saying it was great to see fans so invested in the show (quite generic but hey, at least he didn't dismiss the idea). That's why it was even worse to hear Posey say such a rude thing.
Sometimes I get that the actors can be clumsy and don't actually mean to hurt anybody. But in his case, it's hard to find him an excuse. I get that Alexander was offended, hard not to be when the words "twisted and bizarre" are used to talk about a gay pairing.
Teen Wolf viewer here. I agree that the show queerbaited and treated LGBTQ and POC unfairly (some who fall into both categories like Danny, and some who fall into one or the other like Kira). However, I think Tyler Posey's statement is taken slightly out of context. I think he said it out of anger. He was getting pushed to the side as the main character of the show to make room for queerbaiting fanservice for Sterek. He was receiving hate, even death threats, related to Sterek. Some "fans" (I put fans in quote because if you hate on the actors, are you even really a fan) said he should leave the show to make more room for Sterek. A main actor. Leaving his own show. For a ship. What started out as a crack ship, and then has been unfairly tantalized, has gained so much power that the Teen Wolf writers support it over anything. I like how they developed Stiles's bisexuality, and I agree that he is at least bisexual, but Posey was not asked about Stiles’s bisexuality; that interview did not start with a question about Sterek in terms of gay representation or something similar. The interviewer simply asked for Posey’s thoughts on Sterek, and Posey gave an honest answer.
@Mandy A: I'm sorry but I can't agree :( His words were not out of context, the interview and the question were simple: what do you think of Sterek? Directed at Hoechlin. Posey answers it in his place and says it's bizarre, twisted and weird. These are strong and offensive words directed to a fandom, but also the LGBT+ community. Again, has he said the same thing about Stydia? Nope. And the fandom is just as huge as the Sterek one. Sounds like it doesn't bothering him the same way. I wonder why...
And if it's out of anger and just a honest opinion, it's even worse, it just proves that he is a conceited actor with a problem of ego (as well as a problem with gay pairing). It's not because you're the main actor that every fan of the show must watch it for you and the stories around you. It's not rare that a secondary character is more liked because he will be much less "gary stue/mary sue" than the hero, and so, more easy to relate to.
And unfortunately no, there is no clear indication that Stiles is indeed bi. In the mainstream television and our heteronormative society, as long as it is not stated clearly, we can only hope, but most viewers will refuse to acknowledge it (he can't be bi! He's been with women only). That's why it's necessary, for ONCE, to have it clearly stated.
And it won't be the case with Stiles. When Sterek won a competition for the most loved ship in a tv show, and way above a lot of straight ships, Jeff Davis said that if they continued to won, Sterek might become canon (you can check it on the internet). It was around season 2. For two years, Sterek won. Have we seen any improvement between the two characters? No, that's why it's queerbaiting.
That's why we are becoming more and more sensitive about queerbaiting, and words that are offensive to us. It's just tiring to never have a primary character that we can relate to.
(Also don't take it personally, I'm just answering to Posey's statement and our... despondency, I have nothing against you ^^).
True, he could have used less derogatory adjectives, but there's a time where enough is enough. Maybe he meant how it was twisted that the Teen Wolf writers wanted to focus on a ship more than a storyline. Maybe he meant how it was bizarre that Stiles is 17-18 and Derek is in his mid twenties. And then there's race issues (a biracial actor moved to the side for two white dudes). I don't know. But Posey didn't say "watch the show for me." He's not conceited.
He's not angry at the ship, he's angry at the Sterek fans who have told him that he's a horrible actor, should be killed off so Stiles is the main character, and should be raped. I'm not kidding. These things were said. He could have worded it differently and made it clearer, but he deserved to be upset anyhow.
In relation to Stiles, there HAS been hints about him being something other than straight. All in the video. Is it bisexuality? We don't know for sure but it's the most logical answer.
Honestly, don't pay attention to Jeff. He's a great producer, but he's been manipulating the fans. He goes back and forth between Sterek and Stydia. He takes away characters for no reason. Personally, I don't care who Stiles ends up with. If Sterek becomes canon, I'm cool with it.
It's okay to disagree. I have nothing against you either. I just think Posey is allowed to be a little pissed.
Sterek is the only reason keeping me on watching Teen Wolf....
Can we talk about how stiles made a monoloque abot how diffrent people sometimes suit each other perfectly when talking to Lydia? And how Derek and Stiles are totally diffrent people? Who suit eachother perfectly?
Had one of them been a girl, this would have been a no-brainer to the no-brainers behind the show.
ITS 2AM IM ON 10% AND I DONT EVEN WATCH THIS SHOW
LETS DO THIS
dallondays you need to watch it
Not they don't.
A Scisaac (Scott and Isaac) video would be nice too, specially since some of their dialogue parallels Scallison dialogues.
Also, Scott bisexual energy is also there all the time but it gets outshined by Stiles chaotic bisexual energy and that's so unfair
5:41 actually Stiles wanted to have sex with someone because there was a killer that killed virgins so he didn't want to die.
Same thing
there could be a romantic connection here:
1. they're always noticing each other: **eye contact**
2. touching: **derek slams stiles' head on the steering wheel**
While everyone is watching this show, I'm reading Sterek fictions from 'Archives of our own'.
They have some writers with more creativity than Jeff Davis.
yasss!!!! I sometimes only read sterek cause I love them so much
I do a similar thing with Supernatural. The show is meh at times, (you probably already know about the queerbaiting, and the representation of women is also not great (at first the women who have the most impact on the plot are the ones who died to give the male characters motivations)), but there is SO MUCH fanfiction.
ı never thought of them being together while watching the show but after I discovered Archive of our own I'm in love 😂😂
DJXJXNXJCNDN A FUCKIN MOOD
Let’s all be honest we all wish stiles and Derek were definitely canon
Ah, Teen Wolf which I can never bring myself to watch over again. These two were my only reason for watching, until other side characters became enjoyable. I could have enjoyed it with Sterek not being canon. However, I refuse spend any of my time watching an actor who says I'm twisted for liking their show's queerbaiting ship.