Jordan Peterson is NOT an Individualist
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- Jordan Peterson is NOT an individualist because he asks you to sacrifice by embracing suffering and bearing your cross like Jesus. Real individualism is about making rational trade-offs that maximize your enjoyment of life.
An individualist is a man who says: “I will not run anyone’s life-nor let anyone run mine. I will not rule nor be ruled. I will not be a master nor a slave. I will not sacrifice myself to anyone-nor sacrifice anyone to myself.”
-Ayn Rand
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You say there’s no meaning in life, then you go on to say the meaning is to feel good and have fun, which is what hedonism is. It’s comfort that a hedonistic person is chasing, and discomfort that they run away from. Also, you can only choose to do so many things, everything else gets sacrificed. Jordan talks about how by choosing your path sooner rather than later, you get to choose your sacrifice, rather than it being forced upon you. When you embrace the inevitable pain and suffering in life, to accept it voluntarily, it has a psychological effect that is far better than to avoid those things and to resist them. His message is essentially individual responsibility and telling the truth. Seems like you have to find some reasons to discredit him entirely so as to avoid the core message. Everything you do matters. Every action and word you produce ripples to the ends of the universe and through time. You wouldn’t make a video like this if there was no meaning and purpose inherent in doing so.
Why does CZcams delete my comments... Not everything we do matters to the world. Only what I do matters to me. To believe that my tiny being sends RIPPLES through the universe and time sounds funny, delusional, and grandiose. And I made this video cuz it's fun to make videos.
@@Kasperanzaa "Only what I do matters to me"
Do you not see the fundamental problem in that statement? Nothing you do matters to, at the very least, another person? Are you implying that whatever the consequences of your actions, only the ones that affect you are what matter, and they are the only things that should matter at a fundamental level.
The logical conclusion of that line of thinking is what causes the most heinous sufferings of the human condition. Murderers murder because that is what makes them happy and they don't care about the consequences to other people.
That is an extreme example, but that is the logical conclusion of your argument in this regard.
@@RkLJackets Well I do take into account other people, and as I said, and Ayn Rand said, we shouldn't sacrifice people to ourselves. So I'm not implying murder. I'm just saying what I do has more of an impact on myself than on the world. If I didn't exist, the world would be pretty much the same.
@@Kasperanzaa be careful with that point of view. You can really hurt people if you don’t see your own power.
@@rutababelyte7790 Yeah, that's a good point actually. Reminds me when JP said we're all like nodes. 1 person affects 1000. And 1000 affects a million. A million affects the whole world.
I heard “I feel like” and left.
I appreachiate this video.
I have always viewed Jordan Peterson as more left winged than rigth, as he seems incredibly openminded, empethatic, accepting og gay marriage, and was an aetheist for a long time.
But for some reason, he appears to have become more rigth winged lately, even seemingly becoming borderline Christian, which have been incredibly surprising.
I dislike speculating, but I think his change in beliefs and percpective might even be due to the substancial critism and backlashed him and his family have faced from the extreme left. He is and have always been a very emotional person, and I think that having went through so much in his life, as well as being sent death threats, his family as well being sent death threats, all the backlash, as well as pressure, propaganda and over-intellectualisation.
I enjoyed this video, though I do disagree with your statement that you either have to be an individualist or to join the Christian church.
Personally, as a very indivualistic person, I don’t just think «Life is about me having as much pleasure and enjoyment and fun as possible». I do totally think that, but I also think «and to help other people do the same thing.»
Though I totally see the individualism argument, I don’t think of the greater good as something involving a higher power or something we have to learn, but rather something we are born with because we deeply care about eachother, because we are all connected to eachother, not in faith, not in chist, but in the fact that we are human beings, and we care about eachother.
Now we might be connected though the universe or spiritutually, we don’t know, I certainly don’t believe that any religion can come as say they know the answer because religion is made and gouvernment by humans, but at the end of the day we don’t really need to know the answer anyway.
People have this belief that the only thing that keeps people from being completely selfish, egotistical and evil against eachother is due to punishment, wether that be punishment from god or punishment by the people, which to me goes to show how sick this society really had become, where we constantly abuse and delete eachother into losing complete trust in eachother and kindness.
Look at kids. If you take a kid and that kid is loved, and when I say loved I don’t mean shower them in materialistic things and spoil them, I mean truly love them by making sure they know they are always welcomed and always loved and that they are a unique and beutiful human being. And of they do something mean to another kif for instance, you explain to the kid that they hurt that kid, and I can guarantee you that this kid, unless they are born with a very rare genetic psychopathic disorder, they will feel bad instantly for that kid.
They don’t have any built in religious beliefs, ethical viewpoints drilles into them, but kids simply don’t always know that they are hurting other people, and when they realise, they feel so bad. And they don’t gain anything from it.
This is what empathy and kindness is. It’s not about boosting your own ego through charity or acts of kindness just for clout. Kindness and empathy is what makes us human, which is what Atheism itself should be all about, belief in the human spirit.
We all just have that natural ability to really care for eachother, and we are all born with it. (The overwhelming majority of us who isnt born as psychopaths or sociopaths).
If someone does not have this ability and they are not one of these two things or any other rare condition, they have experienced something terrible in their life, typically in their early childhood that made them lose contact with that side of themselves, snd they need immidiate therapy surrounding it.
I know it gets overwhelming, espechially up there in the US where there is seemingly about to start a civil war soon due to political differences. (Im from Norway),
But I am such a fighter for kindness, as I think that kindness, to truly care for others while also caring a lot for other people is what brings an individual true furfillement in life. It’d the reason why psychopaths/narcesistist are never happy btw, it’d because they lack the lost important aspect about being human which is to truly care for someone, to truly love someone not as a possesion but as the beautiful individual they are, though it’s very difficult to explain to someone who doesnt have that ability. (Not that I know wether you have the ability of true kindness or empthy or not, it was just the impression I got from the video when you talked about egotism and saying that life is only about seeking personal pleasure and furfillement which is something I really disagree with)
To put it this way; there is a reason prople help people who is starving in other countries, or spontanous charity donations, it’s because they genuinely care. They just care. And it’s that love that is so strong, sometihng I can’t put to words, but it’s really the most beautiful thing in the universe, and it truly saddens me when I see people who have lost contact with the part of them that makes them human.
Nevertheless, I enjoyed this video. It was fun from hearing someone who has a different percpective, and though very certain you have the answers,
you don’t, noone will have have the answers ever of a 100% moral truth, but we can try get as close to that as possible through critical thinking and openmindedness.
If I was you I would try to challenge your viewpoints a bit, something that one should never stop doing of course, anf if I could give you one request, I would Ask you to strive for balance rathe than «you’re either on our side or their side» because out of the 100’s of ideologies out there, to say that one is completely rigth in every single way and that everyone else is wrong, then you’re just as foolish as the christian extremism have been over thousands of years, battling against other religious groups like children fighting over he has rigth to the number 1 playstation controller, resulting of countless of death of beautiful people due to their own disability to see the other guy’s viewpoint.
Again, no hate here. It would warm my heart if you really read through this whole thing. I appreachiate you and yeah, I hope you’ll be openminded to what I’m saying here.
Im a really big fighter for empathy you see. I make sure to take care of the well being of animals, seing hurt dogs is one of the most horrible things ever. I don’t even kill insects, and it’d not because I am afraid of punishment, because I don’t believe in a higer power, but it’s because I genuinely care about this planet and the animals on it. Because I just do, because it’s a part of being human and the beauty of it as well, and without it we become misserable. (We’re also animals).
Thank you for your time
Kindness and caring for others is great and all, until you encounter people that will exploit you for being that way and see your compassion as weakness. Unless you integrate your shadow, you will be unable to even see how others could take you for everything and leave you to die and never think about you again. You see everyone being some degree of how you are at the moment and that is simply not the case. Just knowing the evil you are capable of doing is enough to see it coming from others, you don’t actually have to be evil.
Big speech, no real content, only clichés and narcissistic pretenses of empathy and love.
Kindness and empathy are not virtues, or at least, virtues that don't rank highly and often get in the way of rationality. Empathy is also a false projection of our own feelings onto another person. We can't actually know what someone is truly feeling. We must take their word for it when they express their feelings. And all "empaths" are covert narcissists.
@@Kasperanzaa I was actually being incredibly respectful and said some really good things. However, your firm belief in your own moral superiority completely blinds you from the things I try to communicate, not to mention your egocentric worldview which shines through very clearly.
The fact taht yo you call me narcesistic is incredibly ironic, concidering the video you made litterary praised selfishness. only caring about your own pleasure and avoiding pain, rather than helping other people, which to me sounds much closer to narcesism than the things I said. The wikipedia definition of narcesistic personality disorder for example:
"Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others."
Judging by everything I have seen from you so far, you're full of these qualities. I do not have a big ego unlike you, I care about other human beings deeply, and even if I disagree with them I am willing to hear them out, and if I disagree I will say state so in a respectful manner.
@@Kasperanzaa I completely disagree. But let's rather use the word compassion then. Compassion for other human beings. I understand by the way you act and the things you say that you have been deeply hurt before, and Im sorry to hear that.
You've been hurt, abandoned, misguided etc by people you love and therefore lost your ability to empathise with other people through compassion, which is a common defence mechanism. We are not enemies, I just hope you'll get in contact with that again because that empty feeling you feel all the time is not because you lack materialistic things etc, you need love
Click on the video to see how much you could misrepresent Jordan Peterson, and it's a 10/10. You either don't understand what Peterson means or your making strawman arguments.
I bet you didn’t even watch the video like everyone who clicks on it
@@Kasperanzaa I mean you're technically right, I listened to it on the way home this morning from work but the video only 12 minutes long so wasn't a big sacrifice of my time. But for example I have no idea where you get you're interpretation of his view on sacrifice, what you describe as a trade off is pretty close to what he would call a sacrifice which is basically giving up your present for a better future.
@@sethc27 Yeah we’re in agreement in this respect
@@Kasperanzaaif you’re in agreement with that, then you agree with JP. He never says sacrifice yourself for its own sake, he says sacrifice the worst parts of you for the growth of the best parts of you. It’s a selfish act that simultaneously makes everyone else’s lives better for having a better version of you to deal with.
@@haydenstockton5782 Fair enough, I guess I agree with JP in this specific way of phrasing