Excellent episode Adam. You're correct. Investing in a printer really opened up (for me) a new interest in photography. Instead of confining my photos to the inevitable digital "Black hole", I now have happy reminders hanging on the wall.
Hi, assuming your monitor is calibrated, which printer generates prints closest to your monitor. I’m confused that when you see a print with more saturated colours, I’d be concerned that this then is more saturate than it should be. Or is it the 1000, gave prints that were less accurate I’d be interested in know
Based on the lack of response, I think it's safe to say this was a paid Canon advertisement. As you pointed out, there's just no way the images are that different with a properly calibrated workflow. I'll wait for some real reviews. This one just doesn't pass the eye test.
Outstanding Adam. I watch so many CZcamsrs and there are none of them that champion printing your images as much as you do. I really must give it a try instead of my images hiding on social media and on my hard drives
Thanks very much for the great review! I just bought a Pro 1000 a few months ago since I didn’t think it could be improved much. Now I wish I waited on this new one after seeing your side by side comparison! I wonder if this new one consumes as much ink during maintenance cycles?
Wow, those side-by-sides with the 1000 are startling! I totally agree - prior to seeing this, the Pro-1000 prints looked amazing and I was considering one myself! But now... That 1100 makes even better prints! It's one of those things that once you see it, you can't un-see it! Almost like buying a Lamborghini and someone pulling up in a brand-new one next to you. Wow!
Lamborghinis aren't that good! I was pedalling my bike up a hill once when a Lambo passed me. Ten or fifteen other cars passed me before I reached a junction where the Lamborghini was turning left. Those 10 or 15 cars were stuck behind the Lambo because he couldn't turn sharply enough to turn without entirely blocking oncoming traffic. Boy, did I laugh!
4:40 regarding the 1st print examples (drop) I'd be curious to see what a " -2 " or so setting in the lightroom print module to lower the brightness would do, I bet you could get both images to very closely match.... Also, were these print on ICC profiles that you created or only using Canon provided profiles? I also think that using your own calibration on both printers would bring them both to provide very similar prints
Wow Adam, you must be The Man to get the invite to personally use this printer before it is available to the public. I eagerly anticipate the video when you haul this one up the mountains in the rain, in a micro-wagon with tiny tires. I agree with the satisfaction one feels when a loved shot is properly printed, notwithstanding the vertical and convoluted learning curve that must be flattened to pull it off.
This video couldn't have come at a worse time haha. I've decided to start printing my photos and I just bought the PRO-200. It's cheaper and the ink doesn't have to be used as often, I think it suits my needs more although I've seen that the A3+ format is a little tight on some occasions. Thank you for the videos you make and all the work and enthusiasm you put into it! Cheers mate!
Adam would love to see you and Mr Danson do a joint video on printing you are both passionate about it and it’s a joy to watch you two deffo need to do something for us all! ❤
I have the Pro1000 for 2 years now... I will not be upgrading at the moment as it gives me exactly what I want! But printing is so satisfying 😀 And your Panorama! Great work!
I waited on getting the Pro 1000 when I realized it had been out for quite a while. After watching your comparison of it with the new Pro 1100, I see the new version in my future! I love that it does longer panoramas. My main photography genre is nightscapes, which includes Milky Way panoramas, so this would be a perfect fit for me. Thanks for the review, and I really enjoy your channel! I usually watch on my husband's account (no commercials/ads).
@@Firstmanphotographybig thanks Adam, I was in awe of the Blenny prints! Gorgeous, ❤ I tell you what, no wonder we both felt lifted from that day, those prints make it more tangible. Time to print one of my own 😍👍
How much does a complete set of ink cartridges cost? That is actually the barrier for many photographers. I had a Canon Pro-100 and I couldn't justify keeping up with the ink usage. Something that none of this printer reviewers mention, that because of the because of the cleaning cycles, it uses ink even when you don't print. If you print once or twice a week just to avoid cleaning cycles, it is still using ink. They lure you in with a reasonably priced printer but make their money tenfold with the inks you need to buy to operate the printer. And Canon does everything it can to discourage the use of third-party inks.
Awesome video , the difference in color detail and saturation of your comparison prints shows it's worth the price. I now know what I would like to purchase as my printer. Thanks.
I own a ImagePROGRAF PRO 1000, and it has been printing weirdly lately. I contacted a repairman, but then I learned about this new model. I decided to buy the new one instead of repairing the old one.
I figured a PRO-1000 replacement would be coming soon, but didn't expect it to be announced two days after I bought mine. I just hope they continue to support the PRO-1000 for another decade+. With what looks like a lot of shared parts between the 1000 and 1100, I think that's a good sign.
I’m not saying it isn’t better, I’m sure it is, but on screen the comparison prints re. the colour depth/shadow/black etc. seemed (all) to be darker ? And on the BW print it looked as if the highlights had been knocked down (tamed!) compared to the Pro 1000.
I just recently dived down the rabbit hole of trying to find my first printer for photos for my budget and it seam to be a rabbit hole for a whole army so many printers
Awesome episode Adam. I really do enjoy enjoy your printer reviews. Obviously this where a great deal of your passion lies. Love the pano. Any plans to haul this one up the hill? 🤭
which ICC profile was used here ? are we not comparing apple and oranges (if ICC profile used was PRO1000 which would explain the difference in Gamma/Brightness between the prints). Otherwise PRO1100 looks good and have a better gradation in the blues (which means also other colours which contains a blue component) and better gradation in the darks (and hopefully better Dmax) ...
Great review Adam. Have to admit that I was surprised by such a difference in the intensity of the colours over the older 1000 model even in a compressed video. Looking forward to seeing more of these printing videos from you including the larger PRO series printers. I'm keen on the panos as well and now have a difficult decision as to whether to go for the 1100 or the 2600 for the convenience that a roll feed brings.
To me, it looks like a pro1000 filled with the new ink and some firmware changes. Also printing 3m without a proper roll feed is not very practical at all. Not a big deal for me.
More than a few times this past year I had the Pro 1000 in my cart but when I thought about the age I was hopeful of a refresh. I am glad I waited but I am confused about the USB choice and the lack of a roll feeder. Still, at least I didn't buy the 1000 to see it refreshed a couple months later. A photograph isn't fully realized until it is printed... I always say that but end up not printing many. Thanks for sharing your time!
Since the Pro 1100 is essentially an updated/upgraded Pro 1000, is it any more repairable? The entire Pro 1000 was pretty much a "consumable" if anything went wrong. My first Pro 1000 failed to finish loading the ink on initial setup and after contacting Canon tech support they said they would have to send me a new printer. That printer lasted @ 4 -1/2 years then one day failed to power on. Canon tech support said my only option was to buy a new printer as it could not be repaired so as far as I'm aware, if anything goes wrong with the Pro 1000 (Pro1100??) you will either need to have a new printer shipped to you under warranty or have to fork out for the purchase of a new printer if the warranty has expired. I believe my Pro 1000 could have been repaired by Canon if they really wanted to since the printer has a "plug-in" control module (it's located on the back next to the maintenance cartridge). You can pull it out and there is a ribbon connector that plugs into this module from the printer. I ended up "opening" up this module to expose the circuitry inside, which I'd be willing to bet was the source of the power up failure. I posted photos of this module on LuLa.
I’m not very knowledgeable on the technical aspects. I feel your pain though, I once dropped £700 on my Canon 5D mkii to get it working again. I’ve been unlucky with tech purchases in the past but hopefully a warranty would protect to some extent. I dragged my 1000 up a hill in a ridiculous beach trolley and it has continued working flawlessly. I’ve always been surprised how robust it’s been. I totally agree with your point though, especially when we think environmentally, tech companies should make products more serviceable/fixable so we’re not creating waste and spending on pointless upgrades or replacements every 12 months.
Thank you for this excellent, informative video and excellent photography to go with it. I have been waiting for Canon to release the successor to the Pro 1000 for a while now and am definitely considering buying one (despite shooting Nikon and coming from two 17” Epson printers that unfortunately both proved to be more problematic than I would have hoped for!)
The print quality has been stelar on the PRO-1000. It's nice to see an upgrade. The issue for me with it has been the operational cost. Being on location for 2-3 weeks and coming back to a printer that chews through 1/2 a cartridge is not a fun experience. I hope they've addressed these sorts of issues. It's a fantastic piece of kit but you have to be printing daily for it to make sense.
Printing prints on your own printer was a nightmare 20 years ago when the color balance would be a pain to get right. Configuration often being the culprit. How do you find it now?
Great video as usual. Just out of curiosity. With the comparison prints, were the pro 1000 old prints, or done at the same time? Is there a chance they have faded and lost color over time? Either way, very exciting to finally get an upgrade to this printer.
They were printed by a Canon tech at the exact same time. Just bear in mind the CZcams compression and video lights that make a video comparison far from perfect. It's a subtle difference in reality, but like I said, the new 1100 offers just....more....and I want it!!!
@@Firstmanphotography That’s great news. I’m really keen to update my old Epson 4880. Almost bought the pro 1000 a few months ago. I’ll definitely wait now, Thank you 😀
Sorry but something doesn't seem right here.Before everyone goes running off to buy the new Pro 1100 why are its images so different to the 1000? I expected some improvement but this seems exaggerated at the least. Until this video most ppl would say the color accuracy of the Pro 1000 was pretty good. What you get on your monitor largely represents what you get on the print (once a proper calibration is performed). Now the 1100 comes along and it's looking pale and undersaturated. Which images look closest to the one displayed on the monitor? THIS is the real question because otherwise it just looks like the 1100 has been given a different ICC profile to boost blacks and saturation. Doing side by side images without showing the original monitor image could make one assume that something is being hidden from us. I hope not but more examination of the actual comparisons to monitor output is the only way to address the discrepancies shown.
Like i said in the video, you're looking at prints under a video light, that have been filmed by a camera and then suffered through CZcams file compression. The whole point of prints is to see them in real life, obviously that is impossible here but I did my best. I also said the differences are subtle and it's a marginal gain if you're upgrading from the Pro-1000. Aside from that, each time the exact same file was printed, using the exact same settings, paper and ICC profiles etc.
@@Firstmanphotography thanks for the reply (and effort to make the video), but can I ask which print looks the most like the display output and can you back this up? Until you answer that question everything else is irrelevant.
I am confused. Every print video for the pro1000 says to calibrate monitor, use ICC profiles, tweak and tweak some more - etc until you are happy that the print matches the monitor. Are you now saying that you don't/can't do that with the pro 1000? If your monitor matches the 1000, then the 1100 can not be "better" because by definition it can't be matching your monitor. So you must be saying that the 1100 doesn't match the monitor because the print looks better - what?? Sounds to me like you've been drinking the cool aid, readily on tap from the Canon marketeers!
Veiled personal insults aside - what would be a very interesting test next time I get my hands on the printer would be to run the same image through the pattern print feature on each printer. This would give a direct comparison of the two printers over a variety of settings and any monitor calibration would be irrelevant. I’ve also said on many previous videos that I don’t think monitor calibration is essential, it’s useful if you can afford an expensive monitor, but it’s not essential, especially using pattern print. Also comparing print to screen is always misleading as it’s a comparison between backlight and reflected light. It’s literally impossible for it to ever be the same. Using this as a basis for comparing printers would be flawed from the beginning. My limited time with the printer showed me the 1100 is now getting closer than the 1000 to absolute black and fully saturated blue, red, yellow etc etc etc. Peace ✌️
@@Firstmanphotography Thanks for the response, especially as you read my last sentence as an insult - that certainly wasn't the intent, more a failed attempt at humour (I must learn to use emoji's!). Definitely agree that a side by side series of tests would be interesting. I'm pretty sure I have seen you make that comment about monitor calibration previously but I do think you are in the minority and that most advice (I know, I know, I said 'every' when I meant almost every) is to calibrate and to aim for 'replication' in as far as you can with the backlight versus reflected. I look forward to future comparisons...
Panoramas would be a reason for me to get this printer. However, you would have thought that since this is a "new" printer after 10 years of the 1000 that Canon would have added, at the very least, a paper roll holder.
Great video. I will stick with the pro-1000 just bought it haha. But I'm also very satisfied with it untill now Who knows someday if I sell lots of prints... hrt guido
Blu-tac. It’s not a very effective solution as they sometimes fall off if the temperature in the room changes quickly. However it does minimal damage to the wall and print and they can be moved or rearranged easily. Some people use drawing pins (tacks)but obviously that punctures the paper and the wall. Spray glue is another option but you risk ruining your print completely if you ever want to take it down. Boarding them first is the best option, but becomes impractical if you ever want to store them again later.
One would think that Pro1000 should get the new inks, and it would be the same results. Long panoramas are likely just allowed by software... I bet they could do it on Pro1000 if they wanted to. but I guess sell more plastic for later landfills is the key here.
An interesting comparison - I am only looking via CZcams, but to me, it's not the blacks that impress, but the highlight detail that looks dull and less vibrant.
The video light has a big impact on the highlight detail. The difference in reality in very subtle.....the 1100 offers just a bit more across the board.....and I want it!!
You do an excellent job of comparing the prints. Thank you. I had a PRO 1000 but sadly did not print enough for it! Grabbed a PRO 300 instead and haven't missed my PRO 1000 much... until now. You're making me want the PRO 1100! I do still have several boxes of 17x22... ha!
I was gonna do an artificial scratch test but decided a true test would be done over time. I saw some tests Canon and done and there's certainly a big improvement. I would still recommend treating your artwork very delicately though.
The Pro1000 has NEVER required printing almost every day, as you put it!! I’ve had mine for at least 5 years now and often I don’t print for 6-8 weeks and I’ve STILL never needed to run a single cleaning cycle on my printer. I do a nozzle check before every day’s printing and in the whole time, for over 5 years now, they’ve all come out perfect. Really not sure where you’ve seen or heard that this printer requires printing SO often, like Epson printers do, but it most definitely is not true at all. That’s one of the biggest advantages with the Pro1000 compared to similarly aged Epson units-the Epson will have many issues with clogged nozzles if using the printer as seldom as I do, sometimes only once in 2 months or so. With my Epson pigment printers, they’ve generally needed to run at least one cleaning cycle to get a perfect nozzle check printout but this has NEVER been the case with the Pro1000.
Shocked tbh that there is such a big difference with the water droplet photos. Shouldn’t it just match what you have on screen? My PR01000 is incredible, superb prints and matches screen output perfectly. I only brought it new around 5months ago. Quality is so good at A2 hopefully I won’t need to upgrade for a long time and I don’t need pano prints either.
It’s a marginal upgrade from the 1000 in terms of the colour from the new ink. I’m filming a print, with a camera, under video lights and then putting it through CZcams compression, it is not ideal. Having said that, my short time with the machine showed me the new 1100 is getting closer to absolute black and fully saturated blue, red, yellow etc. If you’ve just bought the 1000 then you’ve got an amazing print and maybe you catch the next upgrade in several years time…..maybe with a roll feed and usb-c 😉
All the Canon printers usually come with a set of starter inks. Basically 1/3rd(ish) full cartridges. It's always been enough to get me going and then i replace individual ones as they run out, which spreads the cost. I've NEVER bought a full set of inks at the same time.
Owning Pro 1 ( and the issues ) and the espon ET8550, this unit is very interesting considering the cartridges @ $59 ( if true). Love the indepth colors and long panels. Will have to see if there is any trade-in $$ on my Brick Pro 1. Thank you for the review, will have to see other reviews as the come through.
Thank you for the review. I have the Epson 8550 selling about 200 A3/A3+ prints every years. Considering to get the P900 (so i print A2 too) as well the next couple of months but the 1100 is worth investigating. I just wonder about two things. 1. the cost of the ink, and the most important for me 2. how long the printer could stay in no use before starts printing again
I've never had an issue and, if you're printing that much, i doubt you will either. I just leave mine on and it consumes 1w of power when not printing.
@@Firstmanphotography I mostly print my fineart on Hahnemuhle Photo Rag paper, Maybe this new Canon inks with wax would work better with my paper. I think as soon as there are ICC profiles available i will pull the trigger for the 1100. Thank you again !!!
To be honest its just not a big enogh step up from the Image prograf pro -1000.. They should have made a new screen and a new software and everything.. to make it feel new.. usb-c and make it so you can use rolls and so on.. fix the lacks from the old one.. I got the image prograf pro - 1000 now and would really like to get the new one, but it makes no sense since i dont sell panoramas at all. - the 200 clamed colors would be nice though
At 8:32 I'm noticing that the image goes off the border by quite a bit of margin, it looks like half a centimeter at least, and then at the end the border comes back again. At 9:08, I also feel like the right (image bottom) border starts a bit wider than it ends. Has image / paper alignment been an issue at all with the pro-1100?
I've always been scared of printers because of the cheap ones for school that always clog up super easily. How easy is it to have issues with either of these printers (p1000 / p1100)? I wouldn't mind buying one if I knew it wouldn't seize up after a long time not printing anything, can this be bad for it and render it useless? Thanks
The canon Printer software does not work as plug-in with photoshop if you are using the latest photoshop version. The stand alone version is the only one u can use with the canon printers. The color shift in photoshop, Lightroom and CaptureOne is dramatic and makes prints absolutely unusable. But with the canon software this printers (I own the pro 1000 version) are awesome.
You're right these printers are awesome. Although I use the software as a Lightroom plugin and get the results I want the vast majority of the time. I've often said, printing is an art unto itself. It not always just a case of hitting print, it's more interesting than that!!
It may be something specific with the Pro-1000 firmware. I'm using a Pro-300 and the latest Photoshop and Canon printer software and I have no issues. Also using a Windows PC, not Apple.
Why should it add blue hue? should never happen, actually the print from 1000 looks more eye appealing without that casted blue, also the stem of the drop looks more saturated on the 1000 and the red is more vibrant….question plz : does pro1000 takes 1100 inks?
Nice, but… I am disappointed in the side-by-side comparisons because the lighting is uneven. Whatever differences there are in the prints is possibly magnified because the light is clearly coming in stronger on the right side where the Pro-1000 prints were placed (paper edges are clearly whiter/brighter). My honest opinion is that, if there is _that_ big of a difference, it doesn't tell me how good, or more importantly more accurate to screen, the 1100 prints are, but how poor the 1000 must be/have been. But no one thinks the 1000 is a dog, so I'm left questioning. Do you have the prints on hand? Can you show us again in more even lighting, or perhaps just compare them twice, switching which sides the prints are on? Would love to see that. Sorry! But another honest question… how did you get a profile for the non-Canon paper? Did you or someone make one? Little surprised you would go into Canon and they allow you to print on a third party paper to “show off“ their printer, especially if there wasn't a dedicated profile for it (which would certainly be necessary for the new inkset). Thanks for the video. Impressive printer for sure.
Like I said, it’s very difficult to compare prints under video lights and dealing with CZcams compression. I did my best under an extremely short turnaround time. I know from previous experience, whatever method I had employed to get the footage, there would have been a criticism. And rightly so, looking at prints on a screen is absolutely not the point, they’re designed to be seen in person. Like I said, the difference between the two are subtle but it’s enough personally to make me want to upgrade (combined with the long panos). Canon have a good relationship with the top paper manufacturers. I’ve used Canson infinity for years and they provide ICC profiles on their website for a whole host of printers. There isn’t one for the 1100 yet however, but here we used the profile for the 2600 which I believe uses the same print head and ink.
Yes that is the way I see it too. Saying the colours are that much more saturated or dense has me asking is the old Pro 1000 incapable of producing the on screen soft proof colours? Anyway glad to see the new 1100 is capable of something reaching past the previous limitations. There are no permenance testing dreported yet from say Wilhelm Research so 200 years under ideal conditions is an assumption.
@@Firstmanphotography Ah! Yes! Using a profile for the 2600 would surely do it. Forgot about that possibility. I know Canon is good about supporting/encouraging use of 3rd party papers, which is great. My reaction to the obvious difference in the prints is because I can't imagine that big a difference without _something_ being skewed. I don't doubt there's a difference, but the apparent difference seems to be larger than can simply be explained. If my photo came out that different between my screen and paper I would immediately look for a problem; something's wrong. But here, it's the identical image output to an updated printer??? How much _more_ should I expect something is off? I guess my first step would be to compare screen and print to see which was closer, the 1100 or 1000. I'm using the 1000 now for a very short while, and I'm getting nice, deep blues, so my first assumption is that the blues were boosted beyond what was on screen. Anyway, my deep saturated blues come out matching my well calibrated Eizo, so it just seems weird. Appreciate the review and also understand the limited time with the machine and other constraints. If you can update on anything, please do. Cheers!
I did see the inks for sale on the Canon USA web site. No bundle but the individual tanks are there for $59.99 each. PFI-4100 Blue Ink Tank For imagePROGRAF PRO-1100 printer LUCIA PRO II ink system Ink Fill Volume - 80 ml $59.99 In Stock
Looks like a great printer but what is with Canon always handicapping their products. The R5ii only has 1 cf express slot and half of the futures won’t work properly with the SD slot. The pro 1100 is released with no roll feeder. Literally every video on CZcams has been saying that is something that they wished the Pro 1000 had and it would have been an easy addition for the Pro 1100. Why won’t Canon just give their customers what they know they want?
@@Firstmanphotography I guess I'm wondering from the usage standpoint. I know the cost of ink is higher for the 300, but is it more friendly to a printer who doesn't print as often as you probably should with the 1000 or 1100?
I can definitely see the appeal in upgrading from the Pro1000 Adam as the increase in panorama capability is a great improvement in itself. Did Canon provide any info regarding ink replacement costs as given the form factor is very similar and looks like the same cartridge sizes, was wondering if ink costs are comparable to the Pro1000
Yeah the cartridges are the same size. The ink model is PFI-4100. I don't know the cost at this stage. Probably worth checking the equivalent comparison on the pro 2600/4600/6000 printer as they have been out for a few months and use the same ink.
I just recently sold my PRO100, the one I’d purchased in 2017 and never used, never even took it out of the box. But the biggest reason for selling it was Canon no longer supports it, won’t even talk to you about it… That’s one thing I like about Apple, they’ll talk to you about any Apple product you have. Major reason I abandoned windows based PC’s is hardware manufacturers were always trying to blame the software and software always blamed hardware manufacturers, just not worth the trouble… I’d like to print my work, perhaps someday, but not with a Canon printer, I’ve learned my lesson.
6 months ago my 7 year old Pro-1000 died, and Canon replaced it at no cost. At the time I cynically thought, they must be getting ready to introduce a replacement and are purging all the old stock. Well, here we are. Now, do I replace my printer or not? Really happy with the 1000, but the lure of higher quality inks will be hard to resist. Don't think I'll be making 129 inch prints, but maybe something longer than is currently available with the pro 1000 is a possibility. Thanks for the enthusiastic update Adam.
The real question here is do the prints better match the monitor image than the 1000, increased saturation is a software tweak only. No Roll Unit is a stupid decision, highlights by the skewed print!....waste of money over the 1000
Yeah, that was my fault because I was rushing and had restricted time, I also could have reduced the size a touch in the software. If I was mounting, framing or boarding the image, the white portion would be covered or trimmed anyway.
@@Firstmanphotography Had a think about that - probably needed a straight edge and a craft knife to cut the leading edge so it would be perfectly straight - had a similar issue when I was testing 39" on the Pro 300 (If I'd driven down rather than train it'd have been in the boot along with some other rolls I've been testing).
My ‘mono to the max’ preset purposefully crushes the blacks. If you want detail in the shadows that’s totally down to how we prepare our print files. Check the mountain scene that I have framed. There’s loads of detail in the shadow areas on that one. It’s also impossible to show things just right on video and with the aggressive file compression.
Has Canon made any progress in improving the HUGE ink waste of the Pro-1000? Unless you run a print shop, you will waste 5-10 times the ink you actually put on paper.
@@Firstmanphotography I’ve recorded the data and it is not easy to obtain, and ANYONE and EVERYONE that went to the trouble to do this replicated my results. It is the Canon technology and is unavoidable regardless of how much you print. If you print more you just cost average down on the waste. The lowest print to waste ratio I saw was from a gentleman that produced school photos and in one year went through hundreds of meters of prints. Still, more than 25% of the ink he consumed was wasted and this was a phenomenal amount of ink. I complained so much to Canon about the waste, they replaced my 1st Pro-1000 free but there was of course no change. If you print with an equivalent Epson, you can print cheaper than loading a Pro-1000 with cheap 3rd party inks.
Not my experience either. I print a couple of times a month and i don’t loose much ink. But I think that may be due to an firmware update and having a newer model of the 1000. Cause I have had an older version of the 1000 and that really did use a lot of ink cleaning.
That’s about the same cost for the printer, £’s to $’s. Ink costs $59 on B&H. You might be looking at the PFI-1100 which is the ink for the large format printers. The ink model names are confusing. It’s the pfi 4100 for this new printer.
This makes me wish I could afford to replace my pro-1000 with the updated model. It also makes me wish that I didn't wish that. One thing that frustrates me is that we invest a chunk of money in some decent high-end gear and sing its praises and are really, really, happy with it -- but then out comes a new model (becaue the companies have got to make their profits somehow) that is better in a few areas and suddenly our original gear feels like a pile of crap. I think you've (rightly) espoused the folly of this way of thinking when it comes to camera gear. And to be clear, I'm not criticisiing you, Adam, it's just a design feature of capitalist economies that profits are enhanced if it makes us unhappy with what we've got. Any idea whether the new ink works with the p-1000?
Via experience (and age) I've learned to not purchase an upgraded tool until you have a specific need for it. That may be due to a flaw or damaged part of your existing hardware or possibly a feature you must have to generate income in your business.
you forgot to mention, you need to print EVERY day or error 7400 will kill your investment (EDIT of course, this promotional piece should be taken with a grain of salt)
Your first point is not true. Your second point is accurate ……and in the UK we make it explicit when content is sponsored….as I did at the start here and in the description.
Owning the PRO 1000 it is not true you have to print every day. I print a couple of times per month at that works just fine. After the latest update it also seems less ink is wasted as well in the deeper cleaning cycle.
Not totally sure what you're referring to in the specific video, but in my experience, even with a calibrated monitor and ICC profiles, often a shift is required. We're dealing with the physics of back light vs reflected light.
Great video and good to see the new printer. It’s a shame they didn’t include a roll paper capability. I’m going to stick with my pro-1000 until it dies, or I do. I printed a 1.2m pano a couple of weeks ago. It’s bigger than my framing tools can cope with and I don’t have many walls that will fit it. Wonderful to see the detail in such a massive print.
After ten years Canon still cannot produce a simple roll feeder like the Epson has .. the mind boggles at their inability to go the extra distance to try make this a more user friendly printer .
We LOVE those panoramas. Thanks for coming Adam!
Printing your work is the BEST feeling!
Excellent episode Adam. You're correct. Investing in a printer really opened up (for me) a new interest in photography. Instead of confining my photos to the inevitable digital "Black hole", I now have happy reminders hanging on the wall.
Ha. Digital Black Hole. I love that and it’s such a perfect description for how things have become.
Hi, assuming your monitor is calibrated, which printer generates prints closest to your monitor. I’m confused that when you see a print with more saturated colours, I’d be concerned that this then is more saturate than it should be. Or is it the 1000, gave prints that were less accurate
I’d be interested in know
Based on the lack of response, I think it's safe to say this was a paid Canon advertisement. As you pointed out, there's just no way the images are that different with a properly calibrated workflow. I'll wait for some real reviews. This one just doesn't pass the eye test.
Thank you! I will stay with my "old" ipf-1000 pro using Hahnemühle papers.
Nobody needed to know that poppet…🤷🏿♂️
Outstanding Adam. I watch so many CZcamsrs and there are none of them that champion printing your images as much as you do. I really must give it a try instead of my images hiding on social media and on my hard drives
Thanks very much for the great review! I just bought a Pro 1000 a few months ago since I didn’t think it could be improved much. Now I wish I waited on this new one after seeing your side by side comparison! I wonder if this new one consumes as much ink during maintenance cycles?
Wow, those side-by-sides with the 1000 are startling! I totally agree - prior to seeing this, the Pro-1000 prints looked amazing and I was considering one myself! But now... That 1100 makes even better prints! It's one of those things that once you see it, you can't un-see it!
Almost like buying a Lamborghini and someone pulling up in a brand-new one next to you. Wow!
Yes. If you were considering the 1000, then this new 1100 is a “no brainer”.
@@Firstmanphotography Just bought the 1000 two months ago. Can't I just adjust the darks in Lightroom to match the 1100 dark settings?
Lamborghinis aren't that good!
I was pedalling my bike up a hill once when a Lambo passed me. Ten or fifteen other cars passed me before I reached a junction where the Lamborghini was turning left. Those 10 or 15 cars were stuck behind the Lambo because he couldn't turn sharply enough to turn without entirely blocking oncoming traffic. Boy, did I laugh!
4:40 regarding the 1st print examples (drop) I'd be curious to see what a " -2 " or so setting in the lightroom print module to lower the brightness would do, I bet you could get both images to very closely match.... Also, were these print on ICC profiles that you created or only using Canon provided profiles? I also think that using your own calibration on both printers would bring them both to provide very similar prints
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I agree. Seems to me that the Pro-1000 printed lighter and so less saturated and lower Dmax blacks.
Always loved your videos about printing, good to see you back!
Thanks so much!
Adam, could you give us some info on how much the ink costs & how long they last. Many thanks.
A wonderful description of the joy of printing. And, a fine tool to explore and realize that joy. Thanks.
I’m a Pro 300 gal. Loved this video and may be the impetus for me to upgrade. Thank you 😊
Wow Adam, you must be The Man to get the invite to personally use this printer before it is available to the public. I eagerly anticipate the video when you haul this one up the mountains in the rain, in a micro-wagon with tiny tires. I agree with the satisfaction one feels when a loved shot is properly printed, notwithstanding the vertical and convoluted learning curve that must be flattened to pull it off.
Ha ha. Canon have absolutely no idea what I have planned for this printer!! 🤣
This video couldn't have come at a worse time haha.
I've decided to start printing my photos and I just bought the PRO-200. It's cheaper and the ink doesn't have to be used as often, I think it suits my needs more although I've seen that the A3+ format is a little tight on some occasions.
Thank you for the videos you make and all the work and enthusiasm you put into it! Cheers mate!
Adam would love to see you and Mr Danson do a joint video on printing you are both passionate about it and it’s a joy to watch you two deffo need to do something for us all! ❤
I have the Pro1000 for 2 years now... I will not be upgrading at the moment as it gives me exactly what I want! But printing is so satisfying 😀 And your Panorama! Great work!
Thanks Fabien. That's not a bad shout, it's a marginal upgrade from where you're at.
Great video. What is the cost per print with this printer?
I waited on getting the Pro 1000 when I realized it had been out for quite a while. After watching your comparison of it with the new Pro 1100, I see the new version in my future! I love that it does longer panoramas. My main photography genre is nightscapes, which includes Milky Way panoramas, so this would be a perfect fit for me. Thanks for the review, and I really enjoy your channel! I usually watch on my husband's account (no commercials/ads).
Hi Cheryl. Oh wow, I’d love to see one of your Milky Way panos rolling off a printer. Sounds brilliant!!
Show us your Milky Way shots!
Another one perfect and inspirational video.
Thank you for that.❤
Please don't stop making those wonderful videos
Oh I’d love one of these! A2 in my hands! As always, your excitement for print shines! Belter bud!
Thanks mate. Thought I’d squeeze a mention for you in there too!!
@@Firstmanphotographybig thanks Adam, I was in awe of the Blenny prints! Gorgeous, ❤ I tell you what, no wonder we both felt lifted from that day, those prints make it more tangible. Time to print one of my own 😍👍
How much does a complete set of ink cartridges cost? That is actually the barrier for many photographers. I had a Canon Pro-100 and I couldn't justify keeping up with the ink usage. Something that none of this printer reviewers mention, that because of the because of the cleaning cycles, it uses ink even when you don't print. If you print once or twice a week just to avoid cleaning cycles, it is still using ink. They lure you in with a reasonably priced printer but make their money tenfold with the inks you need to buy to operate the printer. And Canon does everything it can to discourage the use of third-party inks.
Very inspiring Adam! Thanks for making this video
Awesome video , the difference in color detail and saturation of your comparison prints shows it's worth the price. I now know what I would like to purchase as my printer. Thanks.
I own a ImagePROGRAF PRO 1000, and it has been printing weirdly lately. I contacted a repairman, but then I learned about this new model. I decided to buy the new one instead of repairing the old one.
I figured a PRO-1000 replacement would be coming soon, but didn't expect it to be announced two days after I bought mine. I just hope they continue to support the PRO-1000 for another decade+. With what looks like a lot of shared parts between the 1000 and 1100, I think that's a good sign.
I’m not saying it isn’t better, I’m sure it is, but on screen the comparison prints re. the colour depth/shadow/black etc. seemed (all) to be darker ? And on the BW print it looked as if the highlights had been knocked down (tamed!) compared to the Pro 1000.
I just recently dived down the rabbit hole of trying to find my first printer for photos for my budget and it seam to be a rabbit hole for a whole army so many printers
Go with the Pro 300 or if they’re available and reduced in price, the Pro 1000
Awesome episode Adam. I really do enjoy enjoy your printer reviews. Obviously this where a great deal of your passion lies. Love the pano. Any plans to haul this one up the hill? 🤭
A 3 meter long panorama Adam 🤔 fascinating.
Thanks for the update.
which ICC profile was used here ? are we not comparing apple and oranges (if ICC profile used was PRO1000 which would explain the difference in Gamma/Brightness between the prints). Otherwise PRO1100 looks good and have a better gradation in the blues (which means also other colours which contains a blue component) and better gradation in the darks (and hopefully better Dmax) ...
Excellent. Thank you 👍
Nice video. Did you calibrate both printers for the paper used, before comparing them?
Great review Adam. Have to admit that I was surprised by such a difference in the intensity of the colours over the older 1000 model even in a compressed video. Looking forward to seeing more of these printing videos from you including the larger PRO series printers. I'm keen on the panos as well and now have a difficult decision as to whether to go for the 1100 or the 2600 for the convenience that a roll feed brings.
I'm so jealous. I can't wait to get mine.
Me too!!
Let us know when it arrives 🤗
To me, it looks like a pro1000 filled with the new ink and some firmware changes. Also printing 3m without a proper roll feed is not very practical at all. Not a big deal for me.
Great video. I’ve been waiting for this release.
I think I will work towards printing my photos, you convinced me!
Interesting comparison. For now my pro-300 suffices, but when I want to upgrade to A2 prints this looks like a very good choice.
Yep. Perfect!!
Long term ink will be much cheaper with the PRO-1100, as long as you are using it a decent amount (otherwise the cleaning cycles will eat up the ink)
More than a few times this past year I had the Pro 1000 in my cart but when I thought about the age I was hopeful of a refresh. I am glad I waited but I am confused about the USB choice and the lack of a roll feeder. Still, at least I didn't buy the 1000 to see it refreshed a couple months later.
A photograph isn't fully realized until it is printed... I always say that but end up not printing many.
Thanks for sharing your time!
Awesome ^^ thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Since the Pro 1100 is essentially an updated/upgraded Pro 1000, is it any more repairable? The entire Pro 1000 was pretty much a "consumable" if anything went wrong. My first Pro 1000 failed to finish loading the ink on initial setup and after contacting Canon tech support they said they would have to send me a new printer. That printer lasted @ 4 -1/2 years then one day failed to power on. Canon tech support said my only option was to buy a new printer as it could not be repaired so as far as I'm aware, if anything goes wrong with the Pro 1000 (Pro1100??) you will either need to have a new printer shipped to you under warranty or have to fork out for the purchase of a new printer if the warranty has expired.
I believe my Pro 1000 could have been repaired by Canon if they really wanted to since the printer has a "plug-in" control module (it's located on the back next to the maintenance cartridge). You can pull it out and there is a ribbon connector that plugs into this module from the printer. I ended up "opening" up this module to expose the circuitry inside, which I'd be willing to bet was the source of the power up failure. I posted photos of this module on LuLa.
I’m not very knowledgeable on the technical aspects. I feel your pain though, I once dropped £700 on my Canon 5D mkii to get it working again.
I’ve been unlucky with tech purchases in the past but hopefully a warranty would protect to some extent.
I dragged my 1000 up a hill in a ridiculous beach trolley and it has continued working flawlessly. I’ve always been surprised how robust it’s been.
I totally agree with your point though, especially when we think environmentally, tech companies should make products more serviceable/fixable so we’re not creating waste and spending on pointless upgrades or replacements every 12 months.
Same impossibility to get it working if it is ever so slightly not leveled (needs absolutally leveled ground to rest on) ?
Thank you for this excellent, informative video and excellent photography to go with it. I have been waiting for Canon to release the successor to the Pro 1000 for a while now and am definitely considering buying one (despite shooting Nikon and coming from two 17” Epson printers that unfortunately both proved to be more problematic than I would have hoped for!)
The print quality has been stelar on the PRO-1000. It's nice to see an upgrade. The issue for me with it has been the operational cost. Being on location for 2-3 weeks and coming back to a printer that chews through 1/2 a cartridge is not a fun experience. I hope they've addressed these sorts of issues. It's a fantastic piece of kit but you have to be printing daily for it to make sense.
I dont have yet a proper printer at home, and for sometime I've been lookin at Canon options. Will keep an eye on the Pro 1000 price now... :)
Printing prints on your own printer was a nightmare 20 years ago when the color balance would be a pain to get right. Configuration often being the culprit. How do you find it now?
It’s still an art unto itself, but I’ve had brilliant results for many years. I hope my previous printing videos prove this.
Great video as usual. Just out of curiosity. With the comparison prints, were the pro 1000 old prints, or done at the same time? Is there a chance they have faded and lost color over time? Either way, very exciting to finally get an upgrade to this printer.
They were printed by a Canon tech at the exact same time. Just bear in mind the CZcams compression and video lights that make a video comparison far from perfect. It's a subtle difference in reality, but like I said, the new 1100 offers just....more....and I want it!!!
@@Firstmanphotography That’s great news. I’m really keen to update my old Epson 4880. Almost bought the pro 1000 a few months ago. I’ll definitely wait now, Thank you 😀
I am interested in how a 3 meter print is made without the roll paper feeder. (Is it just a big long sheet feed through the rear feeder?)
I did that one through the top feed..... but basically yeah.
Good review and printer.
Thank you! Cheers!
are you able to print 16x20 borderless like a 17x22?
Sorry but something doesn't seem right here.Before everyone goes running off to buy the new Pro 1100 why are its images so different to the 1000? I expected some improvement but this seems exaggerated at the least. Until this video most ppl would say the color accuracy of the Pro 1000 was pretty good. What you get on your monitor largely represents what you get on the print (once a proper calibration is performed). Now the 1100 comes along and it's looking pale and undersaturated. Which images look closest to the one displayed on the monitor? THIS is the real question because otherwise it just looks like the 1100 has been given a different ICC profile to boost blacks and saturation. Doing side by side images without showing the original monitor image could make one assume that something is being hidden from us. I hope not but more examination of the actual comparisons to monitor output is the only way to address the discrepancies shown.
Like i said in the video, you're looking at prints under a video light, that have been filmed by a camera and then suffered through CZcams file compression. The whole point of prints is to see them in real life, obviously that is impossible here but I did my best. I also said the differences are subtle and it's a marginal gain if you're upgrading from the Pro-1000.
Aside from that, each time the exact same file was printed, using the exact same settings, paper and ICC profiles etc.
@@Firstmanphotography thanks for the reply (and effort to make the video), but can I ask which print looks the most like the display output and can you back this up? Until you answer that question everything else is irrelevant.
I am confused. Every print video for the pro1000 says to calibrate monitor, use ICC profiles, tweak and tweak some more - etc until you are happy that the print matches the monitor. Are you now saying that you don't/can't do that with the pro 1000? If your monitor matches the 1000, then the 1100 can not be "better" because by definition it can't be matching your monitor. So you must be saying that the 1100 doesn't match the monitor because the print looks better - what?? Sounds to me like you've been drinking the cool aid, readily on tap from the Canon marketeers!
Veiled personal insults aside - what would be a very interesting test next time I get my hands on the printer would be to run the same image through the pattern print feature on each printer. This would give a direct comparison of the two printers over a variety of settings and any monitor calibration would be irrelevant.
I’ve also said on many previous videos that I don’t think monitor calibration is essential, it’s useful if you can afford an expensive monitor, but it’s not essential, especially using pattern print.
Also comparing print to screen is always misleading as it’s a comparison between backlight and reflected light. It’s literally impossible for it to ever be the same. Using this as a basis for comparing printers would be flawed from the beginning. My limited time with the printer showed me the 1100 is now getting closer than the 1000 to absolute black and fully saturated blue, red, yellow etc etc etc.
Peace ✌️
@@Firstmanphotography Thanks for the response, especially as you read my last sentence as an insult - that certainly wasn't the intent, more a failed attempt at humour (I must learn to use emoji's!). Definitely agree that a side by side series of tests would be interesting. I'm pretty sure I have seen you make that comment about monitor calibration previously but I do think you are in the minority and that most advice (I know, I know, I said 'every' when I meant almost every) is to calibrate and to aim for 'replication' in as far as you can with the backlight versus reflected. I look forward to future comparisons...
Panoramas would be a reason for me to get this printer. However, you would have thought that since this is a "new" printer after 10 years of the 1000 that Canon would have added, at the very least, a paper roll holder.
Surely the pros and cons against the equivalent Epson printer is an absolute must for this video?
Great video. I will stick with the pro-1000 just bought it haha. But I'm also very satisfied with it untill now
Who knows someday if I sell lots of prints... hrt guido
Curious! what do you use to attach prints to your walls without frames?
Blu-tac. It’s not a very effective solution as they sometimes fall off if the temperature in the room changes quickly. However it does minimal damage to the wall and print and they can be moved or rearranged easily.
Some people use drawing pins (tacks)but obviously that punctures the paper and the wall. Spray glue is another option but you risk ruining your print completely if you ever want to take it down.
Boarding them first is the best option, but becomes impractical if you ever want to store them again later.
Is the pro 1100 more color-accurate than the 1000?
One would think that Pro1000 should get the new inks, and it would be the same results. Long panoramas are likely just allowed by software... I bet they could do it on Pro1000 if they wanted to. but I guess sell more plastic for later landfills is the key here.
BINGO!!!
An interesting comparison - I am only looking via CZcams, but to me, it's not the blacks that impress, but the highlight detail that looks dull and less vibrant.
The video light has a big impact on the highlight detail. The difference in reality in very subtle.....the 1100 offers just a bit more across the board.....and I want it!!
You do an excellent job of comparing the prints. Thank you. I had a PRO 1000 but sadly did not print enough for it! Grabbed a PRO 300 instead and haven't missed my PRO 1000 much... until now. You're making me want the PRO 1100! I do still have several boxes of 17x22... ha!
Nice update indeed ! And what about the "anti-scratch wax ink" ? Do you see any visible advantage in the new ink formula ? Thanks
I was gonna do an artificial scratch test but decided a true test would be done over time. I saw some tests Canon and done and there's certainly a big improvement. I would still recommend treating your artwork very delicately though.
Will this require youprinting almost every day (consuming lots of ink) like the 1000 model?
I hear this a lot but i've never had an issue. I just leave my printer on.....it consumes around 1w when not printing, which is basically nothing.
The Pro1000 has NEVER required printing almost every day, as you put it!! I’ve had mine for at least 5 years now and often I don’t print for 6-8 weeks and I’ve STILL never needed to run a single cleaning cycle on my printer. I do a nozzle check before every day’s printing and in the whole time, for over 5 years now, they’ve all come out perfect.
Really not sure where you’ve seen or heard that this printer requires printing SO often, like Epson printers do, but it most definitely is not true at all. That’s one of the biggest advantages with the Pro1000 compared to similarly aged Epson units-the Epson will have many issues with clogged nozzles if using the printer as seldom as I do, sometimes only once in 2 months or so. With my Epson pigment printers, they’ve generally needed to run at least one cleaning cycle to get a perfect nozzle check printout but this has NEVER been the case with the Pro1000.
@@aaronperelmuter8433 Jose Rodriguez said this on several of his videos.
Shocked tbh that there is such a big difference with the water droplet photos. Shouldn’t it just match what you have on screen? My PR01000 is incredible, superb prints and matches screen output perfectly. I only brought it new around 5months ago. Quality is so good at A2 hopefully I won’t need to upgrade for a long time and I don’t need pano prints either.
It’s a marginal upgrade from the 1000 in terms of the colour from the new ink. I’m filming a print, with a camera, under video lights and then putting it through CZcams compression, it is not ideal.
Having said that, my short time with the machine showed me the new 1100 is getting closer to absolute black and fully saturated blue, red, yellow etc.
If you’ve just bought the 1000 then you’ve got an amazing print and maybe you catch the next upgrade in several years time…..maybe with a roll feed and usb-c 😉
@@Firstmanphotography thanks very much for that info and much appreciated. It’s useful to know. I am very happy with my Canon purchase.
I would imagine, but yet to be confirmed, that the inks will be more expensive which, let's be honest, is where Canon makes most of it's profits.
Does the 1100 come with ink do you know or is that a separate purchase?
All the Canon printers usually come with a set of starter inks. Basically 1/3rd(ish) full cartridges. It's always been enough to get me going and then i replace individual ones as they run out, which spreads the cost. I've NEVER bought a full set of inks at the same time.
@@Firstmanphotography thank you mate. Much appreciated
Owning Pro 1 ( and the issues ) and the espon ET8550, this unit is very interesting considering the cartridges @ $59 ( if true).
Love the indepth colors and long panels.
Will have to see if there is any trade-in $$ on my Brick Pro 1.
Thank you for the review, will have to see other reviews as the come through.
So which paper do you recommend for milky way Nightscape Images??
Thank you for the review. I have the Epson 8550 selling about 200 A3/A3+ prints every years. Considering to get the P900 (so i print A2 too) as well the next couple of months but the 1100 is worth investigating. I just wonder about two things. 1. the cost of the ink, and the most important for me 2. how long the printer could stay in no use before starts printing again
Canon TC-20 лучше купить.. ;)
I've never had an issue and, if you're printing that much, i doubt you will either. I just leave mine on and it consumes 1w of power when not printing.
@@Firstmanphotography I mostly print my fineart on Hahnemuhle Photo Rag paper, Maybe this new Canon inks with wax would work better with my paper. I think as soon as there are ICC profiles available i will pull the trigger for the 1100. Thank you again !!!
What colour profiles did you use? The colour difference puts me off both printers a bit.
Some of that is because of the video lights & file compression. All comparisons were done on the same paper, settings, profiles etc.
@Firstmanphotography Shouldn't they need different colour profiles, considering that they changed the ink?
@@elnitram4313 ofcourse! that comparison is a joke!
To be honest its just not a big enogh step up from the Image prograf pro -1000.. They should have made a new screen and a new software and everything.. to make it feel new.. usb-c and make it so you can use rolls and so on.. fix the lacks from the old one..
I got the image prograf pro - 1000 now and would really like to get the new one, but it makes no sense since i dont sell panoramas at all. - the 200 clamed colors would be nice though
At 8:32 I'm noticing that the image goes off the border by quite a bit of margin, it looks like half a centimeter at least, and then at the end the border comes back again. At 9:08, I also feel like the right (image bottom) border starts a bit wider than it ends.
Has image / paper alignment been an issue at all with the pro-1100?
I've always been scared of printers because of the cheap ones for school that always clog up super easily. How easy is it to have issues with either of these printers (p1000 / p1100)?
I wouldn't mind buying one if I knew it wouldn't seize up after a long time not printing anything, can this be bad for it and render it useless? Thanks
you just made me jealous!
Принтер Canon Tc-20 будет отличным для новичков, + формат A1 более интересен, чем A2
Хороший принтер. Главное, чтобы у них дома было место.
be interested to know cost of ink cartridge
Superb video but £1099 for a printer, how much are the cartridges bet they aren't cheap either
the canon 1100 look to produce more bluish blacks then 1000, usual problem with ink BW
I have a dumb question sir. How much do you charge for a 17X22??? I know quality is not cheap.
Not a dumb question - i talk about it here - czcams.com/video/nNgbjx5G8pM/video.html
@@Firstmanphotography thank you so much sir 😊
The canon Printer software does not work as plug-in with photoshop if you are using the latest photoshop version. The stand alone version is the only one u can use with the canon printers. The color shift in photoshop, Lightroom and CaptureOne is dramatic and makes prints absolutely unusable. But with the canon software this printers (I own the pro 1000 version) are awesome.
You're right these printers are awesome. Although I use the software as a Lightroom plugin and get the results I want the vast majority of the time. I've often said, printing is an art unto itself. It not always just a case of hitting print, it's more interesting than that!!
It may be something specific with the Pro-1000 firmware. I'm using a Pro-300 and the latest Photoshop and Canon printer software and I have no issues. Also using a Windows PC, not Apple.
Why should it add blue hue? should never happen, actually the print from 1000 looks more eye appealing without that casted blue, also the stem of the drop looks more saturated on the 1000 and the red is more vibrant….question plz : does pro1000 takes 1100 inks?
Nice, but… I am disappointed in the side-by-side comparisons because the lighting is uneven. Whatever differences there are in the prints is possibly magnified because the light is clearly coming in stronger on the right side where the Pro-1000 prints were placed (paper edges are clearly whiter/brighter). My honest opinion is that, if there is _that_ big of a difference, it doesn't tell me how good, or more importantly more accurate to screen, the 1100 prints are, but how poor the 1000 must be/have been. But no one thinks the 1000 is a dog, so I'm left questioning. Do you have the prints on hand? Can you show us again in more even lighting, or perhaps just compare them twice, switching which sides the prints are on? Would love to see that.
Sorry! But another honest question… how did you get a profile for the non-Canon paper? Did you or someone make one? Little surprised you would go into Canon and they allow you to print on a third party paper to “show off“ their printer, especially if there wasn't a dedicated profile for it (which would certainly be necessary for the new inkset).
Thanks for the video. Impressive printer for sure.
Like I said, it’s very difficult to compare prints under video lights and dealing with CZcams compression. I did my best under an extremely short turnaround time. I know from previous experience, whatever method I had employed to get the footage, there would have been a criticism. And rightly so, looking at prints on a screen is absolutely not the point, they’re designed to be seen in person. Like I said, the difference between the two are subtle but it’s enough personally to make me want to upgrade (combined with the long panos).
Canon have a good relationship with the top paper manufacturers. I’ve used Canson infinity for years and they provide ICC profiles on their website for a whole host of printers. There isn’t one for the 1100 yet however, but here we used the profile for the 2600 which I believe uses the same print head and ink.
Yes that is the way I see it too. Saying the colours are that much more saturated or dense has me asking is the old Pro 1000 incapable of producing the on screen soft proof colours? Anyway glad to see the new 1100 is capable of something reaching past the previous limitations. There are no permenance testing dreported yet from say Wilhelm Research so 200 years under ideal conditions is an assumption.
@@Firstmanphotography Ah! Yes! Using a profile for the 2600 would surely do it. Forgot about that possibility. I know Canon is good about supporting/encouraging use of 3rd party papers, which is great.
My reaction to the obvious difference in the prints is because I can't imagine that big a difference without _something_ being skewed. I don't doubt there's a difference, but the apparent difference seems to be larger than can simply be explained. If my photo came out that different between my screen and paper I would immediately look for a problem; something's wrong.
But here, it's the identical image output to an updated printer??? How much _more_ should I expect something is off? I guess my first step would be to compare screen and print to see which was closer, the 1100 or 1000.
I'm using the 1000 now for a very short while, and I'm getting nice, deep blues, so my first assumption is that the blues were boosted beyond what was on screen. Anyway, my deep saturated blues come out matching my well calibrated Eizo, so it just seems weird.
Appreciate the review and also understand the limited time with the machine and other constraints. If you can update on anything, please do. Cheers!
I did see the inks for sale on the Canon USA web site. No bundle but the individual tanks are there for $59.99 each.
PFI-4100 Blue Ink Tank
For imagePROGRAF PRO-1100 printer
LUCIA PRO II ink system
Ink Fill Volume - 80 ml
$59.99
In Stock
Thanks, good info. That seems to be about the same as the 1000 ink at the moment.
Looks like a great printer but what is with Canon always handicapping their products. The R5ii only has 1 cf express slot and half of the futures won’t work properly with the SD slot. The pro 1100 is released with no roll feeder. Literally every video on CZcams has been saying that is something that they wished the Pro 1000 had and it would have been an easy addition for the Pro 1100.
Why won’t Canon just give their customers what they know they want?
It looks as though I need to upgrade from my Pro 9500 MKII printer...
Mannnn… I just recently purchased an Epson p700 😭
Pro 1100 vs 300?
Does size matter?
@@Firstmanphotography I guess I'm wondering from the usage standpoint. I know the cost of ink is higher for the 300, but is it more friendly to a printer who doesn't print as often as you probably should with the 1000 or 1100?
I can definitely see the appeal in upgrading from the Pro1000 Adam as the increase in panorama capability is a great improvement in itself. Did Canon provide any info regarding ink replacement costs as given the form factor is very similar and looks like the same cartridge sizes, was wondering if ink costs are comparable to the Pro1000
Yeah the cartridges are the same size. The ink model is PFI-4100. I don't know the cost at this stage. Probably worth checking the equivalent comparison on the pro 2600/4600/6000 printer as they have been out for a few months and use the same ink.
I just recently sold my PRO100, the one I’d purchased in 2017 and never used, never even took it out of the box. But the biggest reason for selling it was Canon no longer supports it, won’t even talk to you about it…
That’s one thing I like about Apple, they’ll talk to you about any Apple product you have. Major reason I abandoned windows based PC’s is hardware manufacturers were always trying to blame the software and software always blamed hardware manufacturers, just not worth the trouble…
I’d like to print my work, perhaps someday, but not with a Canon printer, I’ve learned my lesson.
Buyer’s remorse for a printer you never used?
@@ChicagoRob2 Nope, I made money upon selling it.
6 months ago my 7 year old Pro-1000 died, and Canon replaced it at no cost. At the time I cynically thought, they must be getting ready to introduce a replacement and are purging all the old stock. Well, here we are. Now, do I replace my printer or not? Really happy with the 1000, but the lure of higher quality inks will be hard to resist. Don't think I'll be making 129 inch prints, but maybe something longer than is currently available with the pro 1000 is a possibility. Thanks for the enthusiastic update Adam.
The real question here is do the prints better match the monitor image than the 1000, increased saturation is a software tweak only. No Roll Unit is a stupid decision, highlights by the skewed print!....waste of money over the 1000
It didn't print the pano straight, guess a roll feed is a must for such long panos.
Yeah, that was my fault because I was rushing and had restricted time, I also could have reduced the size a touch in the software. If I was mounting, framing or boarding the image, the white portion would be covered or trimmed anyway.
@@Firstmanphotography Had a think about that - probably needed a straight edge and a craft knife to cut the leading edge so it would be perfectly straight - had a similar issue when I was testing 39" on the Pro 300 (If I'd driven down rather than train it'd have been in the boot along with some other rolls I've been testing).
Are the blacks totally crushed in real life? I want to see details in the blacks, it's to much with 1100.
My ‘mono to the max’ preset purposefully crushes the blacks. If you want detail in the shadows that’s totally down to how we prepare our print files.
Check the mountain scene that I have framed. There’s loads of detail in the shadow areas on that one. It’s also impossible to show things just right on video and with the aggressive file compression.
Has Canon made any progress in improving the HUGE ink waste of the Pro-1000? Unless you run a print shop, you will waste 5-10 times the ink you actually put on paper.
That honestly has never been my experience.
@@Firstmanphotography I’ve recorded the data and it is not easy to obtain, and ANYONE and EVERYONE that went to the trouble to do this replicated my results. It is the Canon technology and is unavoidable regardless of how much you print. If you print more you just cost average down on the waste. The lowest print to waste ratio I saw was from a gentleman that produced school photos and in one year went through hundreds of meters of prints. Still, more than 25% of the ink he consumed was wasted and this was a phenomenal amount of ink. I complained so much to Canon about the waste, they replaced my 1st Pro-1000 free but there was of course no change. If you print with an equivalent Epson, you can print cheaper than loading a Pro-1000 with cheap 3rd party inks.
Not my experience either. I print a couple of times a month and i don’t loose much ink. But I think that may be due to an firmware update and having a newer model of the 1000. Cause I have had an older version of the 1000 and that really did use a lot of ink cleaning.
Thinking that I’ve got mine pro1000 just from 2 months make me a bit upset and feeling idiot 😅
Don’t. You’ve still got an incredibly good printer there that I’ve been using for years. It’s a marginal upgrade to the 1100.
What I’m curious about if has the same ink management
US cost is 1,299.00 and each ink is 59.00 (corrected)...think I'll stick to my 300 as a hobbyist can't justify that ink cost
That’s about the same cost for the printer, £’s to $’s. Ink costs $59 on B&H. You might be looking at the PFI-1100 which is the ink for the large format printers. The ink model names are confusing. It’s the pfi 4100 for this new printer.
@@Firstmanphotography Your right...thank you
This makes me wish I could afford to replace my pro-1000 with the updated model. It also makes me wish that I didn't wish that. One thing that frustrates me is that we invest a chunk of money in some decent high-end gear and sing its praises and are really, really, happy with it -- but then out comes a new model (becaue the companies have got to make their profits somehow) that is better in a few areas and suddenly our original gear feels like a pile of crap. I think you've (rightly) espoused the folly of this way of thinking when it comes to camera gear. And to be clear, I'm not criticisiing you, Adam, it's just a design feature of capitalist economies that profits are enhanced if it makes us unhappy with what we've got. Any idea whether the new ink works with the p-1000?
Via experience (and age) I've learned to not purchase an upgraded tool until you have a specific need for it. That may be due to a flaw or damaged part of your existing hardware or possibly a feature you must have to generate income in your business.
you forgot to mention, you need to print EVERY day or error 7400 will kill your investment
(EDIT of course, this promotional piece should be taken with a grain of salt)
Your first point is not true.
Your second point is accurate ……and in the UK we make it explicit when content is sponsored….as I did at the start here and in the description.
Owning the PRO 1000 it is not true you have to print every day. I print a couple of times per month at that works just fine. After the latest update it also seems less ink is wasted as well in the deeper cleaning cycle.
In theory if your monitor and printers are calibrated correctly there shouldn't be any difference.
Not totally sure what you're referring to in the specific video, but in my experience, even with a calibrated monitor and ICC profiles, often a shift is required. We're dealing with the physics of back light vs reflected light.
Great video and good to see the new printer. It’s a shame they didn’t include a roll paper capability. I’m going to stick with my pro-1000 until it dies, or I do. I printed a 1.2m pano a couple of weeks ago. It’s bigger than my framing tools can cope with and I don’t have many walls that will fit it. Wonderful to see the detail in such a massive print.
After ten years Canon still cannot produce a simple roll feeder like the Epson has .. the mind boggles at their inability to go the extra distance to try make this a more user friendly printer .