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- Tour de Romandie Stage 5 2024
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Thank you for all your time and work Chris horner and Garrett
Happy you are enjoying the videos John 👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
Chris, you called this way back but yesterday INEOS pencilled in Egan Bernal for the TdF. He's getting better and better each race, great to see.
Chris, this is a naive question, but why are the tactics so bad so often on so many teams??? Considering the investment these teams make shouldn't the riders make better decisionsl? Do teams train riders in tactics? Watch film? What is the process for analysing a race during debriefing? I'm sure many of us would appreciate your take on this subject in a video at some point. Cheers.
Great question! I like the way Chris explain what a better strategy would have been. Very curious if this is a teaching moment for riders to improve race awareness and thinking in the moment. Do they review tapes like football teams?
@@ssaafur I'm guessing they do however with stages, even day races, being longer in the heat of the moment with a hundred different things to manage both team management and especially the riders either forget or think they know better, though with those in the car in constant communication with the riders (unless there's a technical failure) this shouldn't really happen. The domestiques probably do what they're told most if not all of the time, but the more highly paid team leaders or experienced backup leaders probably get more leeway. You should think they would want to maximise their potential though by following plans and rules because unless you are one of the superstar riders like Vingegaard, Pog, Rog, Remco, or MVdP you probably need all the help you can get from your team to win.
Tactics are a matter of opinion often riders don’t know how good their legs are until they try. Always easy with a retro spectroscope. But its a comnentator’s job to dissect what coulda shoulda woulda happened
Chris' tactics comes from an American perspective.
Maybe the best way to put it would be using the World Cup as a metaphor.
Best tactic usually is to play strong defense and counter attack, but Brazil would never ever play that style.
Same goes with a lot of the cultures which produce so many great riders.
French have this idea that it’s better to lose with beauty than win ugly.
There ultimate job is to entertain and for many that means riding with panache more than riding solely to win.
There are also different personalities and members with different interests on teams that can be complicated to balance
This would be a great video to make for sure. The short answer is the races are never discussed fully. From time to time during my racing career of course tactics could be talked about but not in great detail. Of course in my day there wasn’t video available quite like there is today in terms of how quickly you can watch it but of course it was still there and available. 🤔🦋👍
Giro starts May 4 - awesome time of the year.
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Thanks Chris and Garrett
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The pain is the reward 🚓🏍🚵♂️🚗🚚
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It wasn’t Ineos who were behind chasing it was Tudor for Dainese. Bernal, Sheffield and Rodriguez were always in group 1
You are like a clock, Chris. This consistence is CRAZY. Keep doing what you do
I was so confused at the finish line until I realized the guy in black was from decathlon and was leading out his teammate.
Right. The rain jackets make everything very complicated.😬🤔🦋🌧️👍
It was fun watching the pros race my home roads, although not in ideal conditions.
I've done the circuit a couple times last week - cautiously on open roads but still it's staggering how much faster these guys are. Huge watts uphill and balls downhill.
I lived in Hermance 1997-2010 🎉 and rode south up through the Col de Saxel etc, mostly. Dardigny was (if memory serves) a great village for the Vendange festivals. 😊
@@ZENmud Saxel is a great first mountain pass to ride, quite shallow & steady. Did you ever push on to the monastery ?
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From Hermance, the château at Ballaison was 10km, and the summit restaurant at Saxel was 25km.
If I had time and energy, I'd drop down to Boëge then up through Habere-Lullin to the Col de Cou, and back home.
If really going for it, I'd come across the Lac to Gex, do la Faucille, then return home, or(!) pass by Les Rousses, and climb the north face of la Givrinne(!!) or (only twice?) do la Marchairuz...
But I never caught wind of "The Monestary"?
Where is that located?
@@ZENmud Adding Cou and Marchairuz to my to-do list, having only picked the bike back up last year. La Faucille was actually the first proper climb I did then, challenging but worth it.
When reaching the village of Saxel, instead of going back down one can take a turn and keep climbing. Gradients get steeper and road surface isn't as good but there's very little traffic. There's a monastery up top, and a great vantage point a short walk up a dirt track (take a lock so you don't have to carry your bike like I did).
Thanks, Chris!
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I miss the clear rain jackets from the 80's and 90's. Egan broke rule #1.
Thanks Chris and Garrett. Looking forward to the Giro.
Very uncomfortable!!!
@@bobfoster687I'm sure they were hot keeping your heat around ya.
@@ericvonhellens8822 wet outside n wet inside !
For this stage as a chesterfield viewer, I miss them also. But please never make me wear one again ever. 🥶🌧️🤪🦋👊🏆👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
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Mine saved me from Colorado, golf ball-sized hail!
Very excited to see giro with your review each stage
Thanks Chris keep going 💜
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Great stuff Chris...thanks
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Thank you
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The Visma rider was pretty pissed off getting squeezed into the rail. I cannot judge this but it feels like this is just how sprints go.
NOW the season really starts, lol. Cmon le grand tours
Thanks Chris and Garrett. Good to see C Rod build on last year with a world tour stage race win (GC).
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Handing for the Giro with you Chris
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Yes, it’s odd that it’s so chaotically managed - lots of potential apparently to fine tune strategy
Right. When you watch yesterdays stage 4, I just wonder if Lipowitz understands how close he was to winning the overall GC if he just followed the wheels and said, I have Vlasov back there coming, so Carlos you have to ride if you want a chance to win, then Lipowitz increases he’s odds of winning the stage and the GC. 🤔🦋👍
They should ban black rain jackets. Should be team colours and sponsors logos
As usual it's a pleasure to watch your analysis!
BUT!
Why don't you think Lipowitz should not have to wait for Vlasov?
Chris, what your thoughts are on how long most GC riders can maintain peak form, likewise after peaking how soon again can you get back on form? Can Pogi be at his best for Giro and TdF?
Congrats to Carlos Rodriguez
Chris, currently, my favorites to win Eschborn-Frankfurt are Politt, Mozzato, Nys, and Magnier. Who are your favorites?
I have not checked out the start list. Good picks though bough. 🤔🔥🦋👍
I think for this race you had different commentators than we had on Eurosport/Discovery+ but, and I know in these kind of wet stages with riders with jackets and other cold weather clothing on it is hard to visually identify riders, don't the riders have transponders on their bikes so unless they change bikes or it fails you have a good idea of where riders are, which have been dropped, which may have crashed (or been dropped back to help those that have), or even just got off the bike and called it a day? The commentators we had seemed to have no information like this at all (they were pretty useless in the dry stages though so it may just be them).
Also, was it just me or was this final stage of what I always considered to be a very important stage race very underwhelming? I think it would have been just as bad if it had been raced in the dry, in fact it might have been worse. I know yesterday was the Queen Stage of the race so I wasn't expecting anything hugely challenging, but surely you should have a decent climb or two to peak the interest (no pun intended)? Maybe because it was in and around Geneva, which isn't the most hilly part of Switzerland and the fact they probably didn't want to inconvenience too many people on their weekend by closing too many roads they went for this 4 circuits stage (which I know is beginning more and more common these days) then back into town. I just found it incredibly dull for such a big race.
As for Bernal I can only guess he was given the greenlight to go up the road in the way he did, maybe it was a plan hashed together before the stage even started. That doesn't make it any better though, but might shift the knucklehead assignment from him to a certain degree and onto the team management in the car. The other thought I had, and it's not much better, was to give him a tougher workout with him potentially going to the Giro (I'm guessing this, our commentators didn't say whether he was or not), but it was odd he did this, though odd tactics aren't unusual these days really and maybe he did what he did because Indie didn't feel the peace was high enough and they wanted to discourage attacks by other teams. It doesn't really do much damage so I guess no harm done.
The weather supposedly affected the transponder we were told by the commentator CK on Flobikes. Romandie has in the past been known as a prep race for the Giro so often times the organizers don’t want the racing to completely destroy the riders going to the Giro or they may skip doing this race. 🤔🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling The thought on the transponders you mention did cross my mind but usually some fail but not all so I discounted that.
As for not making the race incredibly difficult I wasn't suggesting having 4 super category climbs on the final day but you could have still had a better stage with a few better climbs even if they are shorter kickers.
I do feel those that were using the race as a tune up for the Giro could still have just done their work without pushing too hard for too long. The stage, especially with it being 4 laps was just a bit meh to me, a bit nothingy with no real chances to attack and on a one week stage race I always feel well staffed should have something. If this has been stage 2 or 3 then I'd have thought ok, but as the final stage I thought it should have been better, though there must have been restrictions on what they could do.
is this Lipovitz fella a climber? Bora has a nice choice for Roglic between Daniel Martinez, Kamna, Higuita, Vlasov, Schachmann, Buchman and Hindley, just a matter of figuring out who works best with the Slovenian + who is in best form.
He is now. But at 21 I’m guessing he will only get better and wiser. 💪🦋👊
When was the last time Ineos won a stage race? I can’t remember one after Bernal won the Giro in 2021?
Last year Ben Tulet won Tour of Norway. But they did almost win the Giro last year who finished second with g. And Dani Martinez won Algarve last year. 🤔🦋👊
richie porte got a dauphine. G got a one weeker not long before-hand. think martinez won basque country in 2022?
Chris, why do you keep on calling the team AG2R? It's DECATHLON AG2R!
Now it is. The team Ag2R has been around since I went over there racing against them in the 90’s. So I get free pass card to call them what I like because, well, it was 90’s and I was there. 😂🦋👊
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I know you don't have much of these in the US, but we call 'em _trams_
Funny how the Tour of Turkey chose to neutralize the entire stage because of bad weather.........
I think there are wet dangerous days and drizzly wet but raceable days and I've not been paying much attention to the Tour of Turkey but I'm guessing they had worse conditions than in Switzerland, or other considerations they had to take into account. I'm sure it's not an easy decision the race organisers face in these conditions but I didn't see the conditions in Switzerland as anything worse than is found in many races in the calendar. If you cancel the final day in conditions like there were in Geneva most races that aren't dry would have cancelled stages and the sport just wouldn't survive.
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vandrame was chasing an intermediate sprint point
I can’t argue that but If that was his reason. He’s still a knucklehead because he had a 30 point lead on Nys in 3rd at the start of today and second was his teammate Godon. But I will say this, I never even gave it a thought or looked to see where the sprint line was because why waste the energy for small points when you can win the stage. Always possible though. Did he at least get the sprint? Cause I never gave it a thought while watching the stage. 🤪🤔🦋👊
Yes, he got the intermediate sprint but Godon got the jersey with the stage anyway. I assume the tactic was for Vendrame to get the intermediate to secure the jersey in case Godon doesn’t win the stage?
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You have been a professional cyclist, but your presentation is closer to Casius Clay, minus his resentement and aggressivity, so finally a Chrisius Cloyner.
I thought the whole point of putting disc brakes on road bikes was that they were going to eliminate such crashes on wet tricky descents…? 🤷
What? No. The brakes are just more reliable in the wet. Still up to the rider to judge traction
The only people that say that are disc break glazers.
Disc certainly can help but nothing will stop the crashes completely in the rain. The tires just do not grip the road good enough. 🌧️ 🦋😬
I think there must be some problem with Vlasov, maybe personality wise, cos so many of his team mates have issues working for him
I should have stayed home and watched instead I did a 100km hilly sportive in the driving rain and wind so I have some sympathy with the riders today
These videos are awesome!
Thibeau Nys is no real sprinter, he can sprint yes ! He is to fragile to be a real sprinter...
cold and soak ¨!bravo dorian , merci guillaume martin for chaos ,bravo rodriguez .cold but good tour de romandie merci aux commentateurs njoylife
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