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How to fix Charging System Issues on a Ford F150
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2021
- Well this was a nice headache to have right after getting out of work on a Friday. This is what was wrong with a 2016 Ford F-150 XLT 2.7 Ecoboost causing the truck to stall, show Charging System Service Now, Service AdvanceTrac, HillStart Assist Not Available, Electronic Throttle Control (ETC), the Battery light, and the dash to completely shut off while the truck was running and overcharging from the alternator. At first I landed on it being a failing alternator just at 55K but knew it must be something more electrical. I wish I had gotten it all figured out on my own but I had hoped the dealership would have warranted this work but they did not unfortunately. Hopefully this helps some of you out.
Thanks for finally coming to the conclusion you didn’t know what was wrong
Wow! I'm speechless. I got this same message this morning (brand new battery) so some Googling brought me here. I will check connections and I'm not sure if the same wire is acting up on mine, but that SUCKS for the dealership to charge you so much for such a Mickey Mouse fix. I'm sorry that happened to you and thankful you posted this video.
its for the time spent diagnosing, which clearly most people can't do anyways. Not happy? learn to diagnose yourself
It’s definitely sad that they charged you that much to do such a sorry job.
Ive had the same problem and my truck has died on the freeway and streets. We tried jumping it and nothing happens the alarm comes back on. The alarm is identical to yours, I bought a new battery then went to get it diagnosed and they said it was a startup issue so I made an appointment with the dealer to get my alternator looked at and I have a 10 day wait until my appointment. I stumbled onto your video now I can at least point them in the right direction. Thanks for posting.
Glad this helped. I know I don't show the full detail of the repair but I posted this with hopes of helping people find the problem the first time rather than throwing parts at it. Over 2 years later the truck is still running great.
Having same issue. Thank you! They should recall this whole wiring harness!
Glad it helped! This throws so much speculation to other issues which is a nightmare to diagnose. Yeah I wish they would
How did you get the charging system problem fixed? I got the message this morning but not sense
@@AmericanMuscleTruck I redid all of this and still had issues. Finally had to replace alternator, that fixed the problem.
@@rone4416 Replaced the alternator, battery belt, and tensioner. Seems like it’s working fine but light keeps coming on.
@AJ still having this issue?
Thankyou so much!!! I have a Ford Mondeo here in the UK. You chaps call it the fusion but its the same car. My steering wheel is on the correct side though. I'm having the same issue. I've taken the car to the dealer and shown them this video. I will update you when hear back.
I got it back, turns out it needed a new alternator.
I'm happy to hear you got it running again!
thanks for this video it helped me fixed my issue on my 2011 --- i was able to easily tap into first wire on the alt trace the same color wire to the battery junction box and spliced it into same wire / after the fuse. my issue was similar having large voltage spikes beyond 18v causing my pcm to trip. got lucky that i was an easy fix but to charge this much for single wire issue is crazy.
Thanks for the video. I'm having the same issue and your helpful video saved me $100's!
Great to hear!
Thank you for sharing!!! My f150 started doing this yesterday.
Good Luck!
Great video. Its giving lots of value to viewers. Mine started happening 2 days ago and a slight wisltle sound when de acceleration and then gone. Then back today and all lights and abs power and wippers and heat and navigation power going off and then just all shut off. But I was able to keep driving all the way home with all power shut off. Engine system check was on the screen. That went off too. So I may look at the harness that's tied to the battery to the fuse box in the front opening hood. Fuse #27 may be the one to replace . If it's brurned the they have an upgraded harness and fuse for that. I will check tomorrow and see what's happening. Always electrical first from issues nowadays.
Yes, especially when you have more than one issue such as close to a dozen out of nowhere, probably electrical. Good luck and thanks for the comment!
@@slicemadice thank you for the reply. Yesterday I fixed the truck finally. Mine is a 2009 f-150 platinum Lincoln model. Fuses are all different and placements. So fuses where not the issue. Checked them all out. Found the 1" ground to chassy was dangling and another ground snapped off. Fixed those and still nothing. Put new battery and still nothing. Check electrical system warning with battery light on icon never showed up again even with old battery. Ordered the new alternator and put it in and now battery is charging again. Later this week will get a full scan and diagrams of the whole truck. This platinum edition seems to be different with the Lincoln software and wiring from other Ford 150 2009. It's also a 5.4L 3V with 137 k . Purchased new in 2009 . Never had an issue with this truck but this is the first in the starting. The rattling cam fase thing on and off. Did a chemical flush clean inside out the motor and put new oil and went away. I do oil changes every 3-4k km. But still need to be checked for future problems. Hope this helps with my experience as my reporting. Hope it may help others. Thank you.
@@peppi7777 Hey Peppi7777, I was curious how things have been for your Ford's charging system in the past year,
I have a 2009 Ford F150 FX4 w the same engine. It's been an awesome truck . . except for some of the battery and charging system issues that have popped up over the last two years. Yesterday I experienced the same system shutdowns "domino style" and somehow made it back home. I have a pretty new beefy battery, nonetheless it seems to have discharged significantly.
Did an overnight recharge, and the battery is back to full strength for the moment . . it's operating normal for just a short drive around a few blocks (which was encouraging), but the charging system warning flashes still.
I'm contemplating my next move . . curious how things have played out for your Ford since you last commented,
Thanks!
Same problem with my 2011 f150. A auto dealership maintenance said that I needed a new alternator, they were wrong. I paid another mechanic to install a new alternator. Found out there was nothing wrong with the old one. Yet come to find out the alternator is overcharging the battery. Then Found out that there is an open circuit on a wire running from the alternator to the fuse block. The dealership wanted to charge me $1276.41 to fix the problem. I fixed it for $48.11 and two hours of working off and on the truck.
See that's where I wanted to end up, the problem was that I was hoping for a Warranty repair but I was wrong, and I needed the truck the following weekend.
How did you find the open circuit on the wire? Our f150 is doing same thing after having just replaced the alternator.
@@katievitale168 did you get it fixed?
@@falconedsel we did yes, it turns out that there was some error codes that were not cleared after the alternator was replaced and that was triggering the alternator to think that it was overcharging the battery so it wasn’t charging and we would intermittently lose power. They cleared the codes and it has been great ever since.
How did you find that wire? My 2012 f150 keeps blowing up my number 45 fuse as soon as i put one in. Everything works it runs fine and charges the battery fine but I get that battery warning but it wont go away since it keeps popping that fuse.
My truck just did this yesterday. Said it was a battery. Paid $250 and this morning the same thing. I bet this will fix the issue.
Did this fix your issue?
Wow! Thank you for the video. I had a similar issue pertaining to wiring in my 2011 F150. I was attempting to use the cigarette lighter to gain power for an inverter. Just a small one and it was brand new. I needed to test a lamp Anna pun plugging the lamp into the inverter, the unit stopped working including the cigarette lighter, the entire Entertainment System and everything else within the center dash. I ran every single fuse to that truck testing everything I possibly could using a voltmeter and a test light . I found a couple of fuses that were burned and I tried the replacing those, but it did no good whatsoever. The fuses were not even related to the problem. After months of dealing with it and refusing to bring it into the dealer for that purpose because I was so unhappy with the lack of service I had received from the same dealership on another issue and a recall as well. Finally I broke down and brought it to the dealership and it so happens I heard a technician leaving for the day because there wasn't enough work. However they needed to schedule my appointment get this an appointment to be scheduled two weeks out because they were too busy. Now remember that technician that was leaving for the day because there wasn't enough work and I was only going to be one technician left in the building but they couldn't do anything about this for 2 weeks that just proved my point about why I was unhappy with them before. Nevertheless I digress it turns out that it was simply a wire Zach stop working at the point of harness. Obviously because I've heard a couple of other stories where wires were going bad at the harness point, Ford seems to continue to have an electrical engineering problem. I went through hiring someone to replace the radio that I thought was bad with a touch screen. I had already driven two and a half hours away to purchase another radio that was exactly the same as the one that was in the truck originally that I thought had burned. I felt that way because I had already tested all the fuses and spot check wires but I never tested the harnesses . So in essence it turns out the stock radio was never the problem, again, it was a wire I don't know if the wire burned inside of the harness or what happened but what's really strange is I decided to put back a stock radio that I had purchased elsewhere when I thought it was the radio that originally went out. So here it is a year later and I decided to put the stock model radio that I had purchased elsewhere and remove the touch screen because I could not seem to get the adapter to work with the steering wheel, the interface. Now remember that radio as well as the original stock radio I removed thinking they're just must have been a problem with the two radios. I pulled out the touch screen and replace it with the second stock radio and after checking all my connections carefully, the radio, the entire entertainment system began to work perfectly. So at this point I didn't even have to use the bypass wire that we installed when we determined it was the original wire going into the harness. But there was definitely a connection issue streaming from the harness. I'm finding more wiring issues why are either a sorter fail or a harness fail pause something to stop working thanks again for the video and if anyone takes the time to read this after viewing the video, I hope that it helps. I know once I determined it just had to be the radio that was gone after checking all the electrical that I could possibly think of with the exception of the harnesses being correctly plugged I wish I would have known about the potential of a harness, r a wire that could have caused this entire issue
Wow that's lot of diagnosing, gotta love electrical issues. Good you found a fix or at least you're on the right path to getting everything figured out!
This video saved me tons of money. Thank you for posting!
Glad it helped!
Was very helpful to me, very happy 😊😊😊 I just run a wire from the alternator connector to connector by fuse and it run perfect 👍,God bless you man!!
That's awesome to hear!
Can you provide more details please thank you.
This error can also happen after washing/rinsing engine bay due to water ingress at insufficiently protected electrical connections/connectors.
Will it go away after it dryies
@@c02hazzard48 maybe not if corrosion happens
That's exactly what triggered my problems . . wow
Bravo Bud - thanks for this detailed video - My Opinion about FORD gets worse and worse and worse - as the days go by.. IMO they build crap- - slapped together to barely meet their exaggerated marketing statements -! Mine doing this also at 118k - (among many other things!) Going back to Nissan!
Glad I could help, yeah I see the quality issues across many manufacturers these days. I do love Nissan Titans though
Thanks for the tip as I'm looking at a 2017 F150 at an auction and it's go the exact issue but well worth buying cause it's starting at $5.00 with no reserve price!
I hope you win it and get her back on the road
Lol that's why I'm here (Small world)😅
Newer vehicles it is very important to reset battery adaptations and register new battery. It's not like the old days remove, install and go. It will work for awhile but will start to overcharge your battery because it still thinks it's charging the dying battery. Parts houses tell you this but most people blow it off.
Okay thanks for the information
The same with foreign cars. You need to reset the truck with proper scan tool
Interesting. Did that type fix on a fire truck once. Everyone said : replace the harness. Warranty is 3yr 30,000 miles I think good luck. They only recall if it's a life safety thing. Otherwise it's a TSB.
Geez... I hate the dealership does stuff. My dealership would have covered this. Ford needs to do better. They have a great product but their services has a lot to be desired.
Thanks. Same year same truck just started doing this other day. While driving it going 65 mph everything just shut down. In the morning, truck started but nothing electrically was operational for about 30 seconds
It's not fun while you're driving that's for sure.
End up taking to dealership couple weeks back. Problem was a power train control module. They changed the alternator which I said didn’t believe was the problem. Of course the module was covered but the alternator was not. Had truck close to two weeks trying figure out then having to prefer parts
im having the exact same issue. Hope I can find it. Thanks for your video!!
It's not fun, and good luck!
2016
Battery went dead...
Clicking when I tried starting it.
Charging system dummy light kept on showing up.
Had it jumped. Has started every since but still don't know if batter is going bad..
I would get the battery tested
Thanks for the video! I think they should have paid for it but I cannot say I'm surprised. I had the charging system error message this morning but since then I have not seen it again in the truck is driving fine 🤷
Hopefully it was just a hiccup
I have the same error some times.. runs good though.. just a "charging system service now" message.
so put the key in the on possition and hit the brights 5x then hit the brakes 3x this will reset the dash lights and possibly fix it
15V means the alternator is working the voltage will go up a couple of volts when the engine is on
Look at the wire of (the Short circuit) ,,, and connect it at the battery very well ,, Some mechanics don't notice that 👍
Poor craftsmanship. Period. Should be covered.
Bro thanks so much for sharing I hope you're making money with CZcams for replace the money you spend.
I wish! haha
I have tried every tried in the book to get the "system off to save battery " ever since I replaced my battery in my 2016 f150 xlt 5.0 litre. It starts ok but even after a highway drive when I shut off the vehicle the system shuts off immediately. Very annoying 😒. I've watched every CZcams video on the subject and nothing works.
My problem was finally fixed when my mechanic said that even though my battery was supposed to "fit" my truck when I bought it- it was a little small. My 2 year old battery was 9.5 inches long with 660 CCA and when he put one that was 11 inches long and has 700 CCA my issue was GONE! Now I can listen to the radio without starting the engine. 😀
Modern systems are just more finicky these days. I'm glad you got that all sorted out!
Thank you for sharing, this is happening now for my boyfriend!!
No Problem Good Luck
I'm having same problem.. My battery was fine but it kept dying overnight.. So I checked alternator and was charging fine. So there is something on in the truck that's draining my battery overnight. So I disconnected the negative terminal for overnight and reconnected the negative terminal in the morning and was fine and started up.. So I'm still trying to find out what is on in the truck that's draining the battery overnight. Will update when I solve the problem.
Anything? Just curious. Did you end up finding what was draining your battery?
The battery itself wasn't any good.. Had to get a new battery. Runs fine now..
Same here and Ford suggested replacing alternator which I did and problem persists. Should be a recall.
Yeah I believe if there are enough service calls then it could lead to a recall but I'm not sure.
Wow, that dealer straight up did a hack job on that thing lol.
Dealerships should be giving a deal to people not ripping people off and why wasnt that covered under warranty?
Did you just need a BMS reset?
a mechanic on another video said that the charging voltage should not be above 14.6 and that if it's at 15 then it's alternator that's the issue. Or alternator related.... some vehicles had an inline alternator fuse. etc
Fortunately this truck is still running strong after the repair
2018 KR just started doing this. Radio completely did I have to option to play anything.
Dear "Everything is broken", Thank you for sharing your expensive knowledge for what should have been an easy fix. I have the same exact error coming up. Is there any particular part number for that one wire that Ford ran after the Resistivity problem occurred? Intense appreciation.-Paul D. Dodson
I really don't know that information but I think any other manufacturer of what was used would be better
Lol the dog got mad at you. 😂 thank you for the knowledge though!
He's needy, and no problem
My fusion is having same issue. First all the warning lights. (Hill assist, abs and parking aids) then today the check charging system now. Car shut down and won’t start again
Good vid, have a similar issue
Having the same issue on a super duty with dual alternators. Also, the dealer is booked way into the future to a look at this. My truck does run and I can drive it, I have not seen it stop on me.
It's not a good time
Ford replace one of the Generators on the driver's side and now all is good.
Very informative. thanks.
Thank you so much same problem I've had for a year now on my mustang two batteries and four alternators
That sounds awful, it's crazy how many things it seems it could be.
@@slicemadice I literally just bought a battery same problem watched your video found the broken connection ran a totally new harness for all three alternator wires and figured out I killed the alternator again swapped alternator and fixed lmao
@@slicemadice thank you for real
Dang thats a lot of alternators haha, and cool good to know it helped!
What wires did they connect off the alternator
I turned the key to start and it flashed that message for 2 seconds and hesitated to crank. Started right up and the message went away. Battery load test good, reading bad voltage regulator 🤦♂️
What did you end up doing? I just had the same issue this morning.
My trucks alternator was now the issue but a power train module. They still chargers me to change out alternator but problem was still there. Guess what the module was covered but the alternator was not. They made a quick buck off me. Pretty sure they knew that from beginning
@@christraslavina5534 I haven’t done anything yet, and haven’t had the problem come back yet.
NO NO NO NO NO you take it back to the dealer and tell them that is unacceptable for $700. No way man noooo way
I know, life has been crazy lately to get this sorted out with Ford.
good luck with that - Ford builds these things to employ their dealers. Stop buying Ford IMO. i Will / AM.
Thank You these damn shiesty corporations
Did they wire all three into that one wire?
Wat we’re the symptoms wrn having that code
We just had a new battery put in my sons 2013 3.5L King Ranch and the battery light is still on even after you reset it. I told him it's probably the alternator. His battery tested bad but now I'm wondering if it was still good and was just not getting recharged
It is a complicated system, just keep canceling things out and hopefully you find the real issue.
My 2020 F150 just started doing this while driving home at 1 am. Had to leave it on side of the road and will be going tomorrow morning for it. What do you recommend in order to fix it? Take it to dealer? Or it’s something I can do at home?
I took it to the dealer hoping it would be under a warranty or even a recall I didn't know about. Looking back I would have checked the communication wires first.
Those are a PITA to find.
If it was easy anybody could do it.
Finding a wire broken INSIDE the insulation is difficult
Had the same thing happen to my tail lights.
Just run a new wire.
He could have dressed it up much nicer but do you want to pay him shop labor rates to do that?
Yeah I agree. I didn't mean to bash the dealership rather I think Ford should have issued a recall for a known issue. Hey at least I was able to see what was done to the truck.
Having the same issue in a 2015 Lincoln MKZ
thanks bro! fixed my issue!
Heck Yeah glad I could help you out!
It must be a flu I took my 2017 fusion to the dealership for a transmission oil change then right after leave the dealership that code came on mines. But difference with mine is that it comes and go
Got a 2018, used F150, doing the same thing- ding a lings , then it goes off, I just keep trucking, does not affect my tho , OReily guy told me to clean the terminals , what do you think???
You can start with the terminals, but I would chase the harness for exposed wiring
My poor truck 🤣 luckily she is fixed 💜
Have a 2011 f150 eco boost all normal when start all lights and window switch are off,turn off machine and on again then the lights go on and off and battery sign shows, then all lights are off. Any suggestions?
I really don't know, but maybe a battery or an alternator problem?
Can't believe that the dealer did such a sloppy job. The bad wiring harness should have been replaced, not jury-rigged.
Do you know what gauge wire they ran? My 2017 is having the same sort of issue and I'd like to try this repair. Thanks!!!
I don't know the gauge but I would snip a sample off and get yourself of good quality automotive wire spool and wire it up!
Where was the other end of The wire
Two questions. 1. Do you know what gauge wire was used?
2. Where did they splice/jump from the alternator connection side?
I don't know the gauge size, and it looks like it was cut and reran right from the front of the motor and up towards the battery.
Looked like 16 gauge speaker wire......not very professional looking for $680
I replace the alternator, pulley tension and battery but the message still coming up.
Your not the only one my truck doing the same 3 month oit the dealer
That's insane
Thanks for the info,,, I’d still say that’s a poor fix,, I usually dig Thu the oem wiring and fix it that way
Mine was the PCM…alternator was just fine…had to replace the PCM
I believe it shouldn't charge no higher than 14.4v no lower than 13.6
My 2016 F150 had the same issue, a issue ford needs to address but will not acknowledge its a problem. I also added a wire outside the OEM wiring harness.
Did it solve your problem? I'm getting the same right now on 2016 F-150.
Did it fix the issue?
thanks for sharing, did this fix last?
Yes, 1.5 years going strong
@@slicemadice
My issue triggers every warning light. shutting off electronics radio ac/heat, sometimes even power steering until i key off Neutral restart … lights flicker constantly
@@justinr8116did you figure it out?
@@HannahMarcelvlogyes i did
@@justinr8116 what was the fix? I’m having the same issue
Thanks for sharing mine just started doing it yesterday I replaced both alternator and battery and battery light is still on maybe this will work if not it might be my body control module
Good luck with the repair!
@@slicemadice Did it fix it? My 2016 is doing the same at this point. Can easily run new wire.
You have a bad voltage regulator. Possibly a blown diode.
I need to see where the jumper/bypass cable goes at the alternator
Sorry I didn't get a great shot of it, it's 3 wires off a plug at the alternator.
@@slicemadice got it which one is it? Sorry for the hassle. I had to take my truck to the dealer as I couldn’t figure it out. I just dropped it off yesterday.
@@slicemadice with plug in the harness, is it the one on the left middle or right? Left being the one closest to the large battery cable.
@@falconedsel at around 10:50 I show a brown/red wire that was bypassed.
1:08 1:32 1:48 5:09 5:44 5:46
15V is to high. It should sit between 13.5 and 14.5.
15V will fry the battery and systems in the truck.
my ford edge 2012 is getting this is its odd 25 codes are popping up but my batt and alt or fine
I would assume a similar problem is happening with your car then. One problem can daisy chain to dozens of issues
@@slicemadice its was just the dam alt that was all i changed baterey was good just the alt
Ford Smart Charge system .. check comm conductor
you should be happy that they didn't put in a alternator too and make you pay for that... they sound honest to me..
Yeah that's what I was thinking, a mechanic and shop who took the time and steps to fix it right the first time.
Your air filter box is unlatched.
Thanks lol
My 2013 Ford Fusion has that same code P0625 and blank screen
Alternator is probably done, and it might have killed the battery from going to 16-17 volts.
I have a similar problem and it pisses me off because I was about to replace the alternator now I'm gonna take it to a mechanic and tell them to find the wire
I would have done the alternator first but the part was super expensive, and I hoped warranty would kick in under the 60K drivetrain warranty.
I have the same problem and I can't fix it
My 2021 Ford F-150 is doing the same issue. I have 26000 miles
I wish I seen this video I bought a battery and had to pay a tow truck so far ive spent $1000 alternator gets here tomorrow
How did it go?
Was it the alternator?
If the truck is shutting itself off, it might be a safety feature. Probably a failsafe feature.
Yeah I agree
My 2023 Transit started doing this after 250 miles 😑
Wow that's pretty early!
What a bad repair from the dealership for 600 buck!
2 wires are pcm 1 is power in from fuse box.
Elaborate?
@@Rich4Prez pcm monitor/pcm singal/12v supply are the 3 small wires
@@spacebound2195 aye bro a long shot but I’m really in the dirt rn new battery new alternator battery light still shows any idea it’s a lot to ask but I’ve checked a lot belt fuses module no wiring yet it could be but any idea helps?
Does it still die? Or just a light on?
@@spacebound2195 so It turns on, the car itself has power but after driving 2-5 mins a red battery light with no words flashes 3 times then a ok botton appears. this all it does without me driving got behind the wheel with the light on and and after turn off and on the truck after I got to my destination power steering goes out and had to get it towed back to da crib
He basically jerryrigged the truck.
Still running good
@@slicemadice that is great. If it works, it works.
Trust me
probably took them 20 mins to an hour... crooks!
They lie they don’t do all that alll they did find the short
Throttle body
Take 15 minutes tops to install and 109.00 from AutoZone
I dont understand why ford always messes things up there 2003 cars and truck where good with out all that technology crap.i hate newer cats guess they don't understand what's not broken dont fix it
This video helped me from a no start condition in a parking lot. F150's 2009 - 2014 replace fuse to get by and eventually relocate it for anyone else having similar issue! czcams.com/video/iPXRWcnbi-U/video.html
Glad to hear you're running again
I’m so unbelievably irritated that this tiny little bullshit wire, makes your whole truck throw all of these errors, FOR NO REASON I MIGHT ADD, make you spend $500 on a brand New alternator. Waste, then find out it’s this stupid shit. This is the reason why my next truck is gonna be a dodge.
Just not at all helpful.
You keep saying you don't know what is wrong; i.e. you don't know what you are doing so why are you making this video? Leave the education to the professionals.
No one says you have to watch - or care.
i'm going to that same problem, and my truck has the same mileage is f#king Ford.