Modartt Organteq (v1.04) vs. Hauptwerk V Pipe Organ Shootout: Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D-minor
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Modartt's Organteq is a new physically modeled virtual pipe organ going up in direct competition to the venerable Hauptwerk sampled organ platform. I recently purchased both and decided to run a shootout using, you guessed it, an excerpt of Bach's famous Toccata and Fugue in D-minor. Take a listen and see which organ you like the best. Comments are much appreciated. (The keyboard was a Korg Kronos 2 feeding into Cakewalk by Bandlab. I hope to get a console with multiple keyboards soon.)
Interested in an updated comparison with OrganTeq 2.0
interesting comparison. I use a Pianoteq and am very happy with the sound of their pianos and - most important - harpsichords, they are just amazing. For organ, I am more of fan of true accoustic samples which go best w baroque music, e.g. Hauptwerk. Darvin, one small technical note if I may - I hope you will do more comparisons in future, and when you do pls do not torture us w red letters on colourful background, my eyes really hurt, not to mention it went too fast away to be able to read it.🙂Thx!
Thanks for the observation. I'm thinking of making another video comparing both of these to the Vienna Symphonic Library (VSL) Rieger Organ which has become my goto organ for composition. Hauptwerk is too hard to integrate into a DAW. Organteq uses too much CPU of my 10 core, 5.3 GHz studio computer. (So does Pianoteq, but I love its piano so much I just print to wave as I'm writing the compositions.)
Organteq is the right thing because of its small size. And gentle on the CPU. I think You forget to tell that You'l get Sct.Annes Moseley organ for free with the purchase of Hauptwerk. It is not the best of samples in the Haupwerks family. But most others are very expensive, and very very heavy on the computer. So I will grab the Organteq at any time. It's very pleasant and real to listen to. And if Modartt continue to develop it, as they have done with their virtuel pianos , I think they can outperform or at least give sampled pipeorgans fight to the finish :-) Anyway thanks for the comparison of two fine but very different organs. Nice playing.
"Nice playing" - MIDI.
@@Tortuosit What do you mean? Darwin himself has recorded Bach's Toccata and Fugue, "live" on a keyboard as he tells. Though with the help of a sequenser program. (Because, as he told, that he is working to get a multible keyboard setup. If I have misunderstood something Darwin, I hope You will corect me.
@@musikavaler The first two thirds was played one section at a time into 4 separate tracks to feed the three manuals and the pedals. The last third was step recorded since I wanted to use two manuals for the part with a 1/32nd offset, but then, step recording is not gratifying. It was all just experimentation to see how to interplay the single keyboard with the organ programs and to use the programs. Eventually, when I get set up with more than one manual, I'll get through the entire piece. BTW, I've since gotten a Novation Launchpad Mini Mk3 for stop switching on the Hauptwerk. I've not tried it with the Organteq yet.
@@darvinedwards4359 Thank you for your answer. No matter how you rec. it, I think it is very vell done. Good luck vith your upcoming setup. I would like to hear, see :-)
Just remember when listening - you're not only hearing the differences between the software products, you're also hearing the differences between a French and an English organ. They will not sound the same. Waiting for a German organ from Organteq.
Longing for a german baroque too. I sent them my wish a few months ago ; hope they are working at it.
The Hauptwerk obviously wins as they are in this example, but only because of the amazing (slightly overpowering) reverb their team captures with their extremely wet recordings in amazing spaces. The Organteq is quite good, but the reverb is seriously lacking imo, which is a shame. One of the amazing aspects of Organteq is you can run it completely dry, right? I would love to see a comparison between the two with Organteq having an awesome third party reverb or even trying to match the Hauptwerk's reverb. They might sound comparable, and if that's the case then Organteq would be vastly superior for ensemble applications. Or I'm unfamiliar with how dry Hauptwerk can get through mic choices, so if it can get quite dry, could slap the same awesome reverb on a dry of both to compare. Thanks for the informative video by the way!
if your only argument is reverb, then i'm totally not agreeing.. :)
@AvengingEnder Dude, I have Hauptwerk V, and I can't 100% agree with you since you're only talking about reverb.
What you don't seem to understand is how Hauptwerk and OrganTeq reproduces/plays back the sounds we hear.
Here's the gist:
Hauptwerk - Sampling-based
OrganTeq - Physical Modelling-based
If you have no clue how they both are different, I recommend you take the time to watch this video which explains the differences between the two processes beautifully (even if he focuses on digital pianos, everything he talks about still applies to what we're discussing here): czcams.com/video/w7RY4ifL37E/video.html
@@JonnyMusicOrganist on the other hand sampling is only a static snapshot of the sound and every time the same. Modelling does have the advantage to "naturally" develop the sound and not sounding the same.
Hauptwerk is much tooooooooo pricey for what it is. And it has no disc streaming, that's ridiculous with current HW.
You need a bunch of GB of RAM.
@@synthplayer1563 People that use Hauptwerk, like myself, are interested in playing repertoire that is historically appropriate for a particular sample set. I also use Organteq and I can appreciate it for what it is. The footprint is the biggest advantage for me.
I bumped my computer up to 128GB RAM with 2 nvme SSD's loading at 3.5GB/sec. It's running off a 10 core (20 virtual) i9 processor. This is overkill for Hauptwerk, but not for running large orchestral templates.
Hauptwerk winner of course, not comparable so big difference.
Organteq is based upon a Cavaillé Coll organ wich I don't like. Thus I'll wait till they offer something more baroque or italian before I get one. I hope they will do because their products are worthy ; I got pianoteq and their collection of harpsichords and I found nothing more satisfying eventhough I have plenty of sample sets for hauptwerk
While OrganTeq is impressive with the way it works, I agree with you that it still needs more time to develop (since it's new) and entice us Hauptwerk users to use it more often with more instruments for us to use in the future.
I confirm. The harpsichords in Pianotq are delicious. But the Organteq is no match for the Viscount Sonus 60.
@@JonnyMusicOrganist agreed. Although the Hauptwerk requires masses of computer resources, it is a far superior sound.
@@julianaistrop6000 And that's exactly why I decided to build myself a decently powerful desktop workstation PC almost a year ago in order to take as much advantage of Hauptwerk as I possibly can for the music production work that I do.
me: I've got a job and that would be 1st time in my life to buy an official sound plugin :)
me: *found out it costs ~400USD*
me:
2nd
The first one sounds terribly artificial and plastic like. This is for sure nothing to do with the original organ. The second sounds ok as recording, but not really nice. I love the organ, I cant bear any imperfect replica, I hear it immmediately and I get sad and "empty" at it. My practice setting: 2 NP-11 (one for pedal) and one NP-12, all set on harpsichord. Does perfect the trick for practice, is cheap and dont need updates. Dont waste money in VPO!
i think i'm gonna have a church organ built.
i'll probably need to build a church to house it inside, away from the elements. lol : ))