'Like Nothing We've Seen Before' Psyche the Metal World Featuring Jim Bell
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- 'Like Nothing We've Seen Before' NASA's journey to Psyche.
One of the most intriguing objects in the main asteroid belt, Psyche is a giant metal rich asteroid, about three times farther away from the Sun than is Earth.....
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That's my asteroid. I bought it a year ago (I have the receipts) and I will defend it
It's large enough for many people to have it pls share
Ok no one claimed mercury it's closer to earth
Sorry but as you haven't moved it in more than 30 days it is considered abandoned property and may be claimed by anyone who comes along and takes it :P
@@logansmall5148 me going faster than light breaking every laws of physics to claim It
I already have 5 cube sats making it into gas for transport. My freighters are on the way. All your base are belong to us.
I agree with him about Earth 53:25 "Earth is my favorite planet. I love all these other planets, but Earth is my favorite because I've lived here most of my life, and most of my friends are from here"
Earth is great -- it holds all my stuff! :D
Yeah Earth is cool, it tries to kill me only some of the time.
Earth is the only place we belong. How cruel could a person be to lock their kids under a dome on Mars, let alone a multi generational trip in a submarine? Preservation of humans should not come at any cost. The universe was here long before and will remain long after us, it doesn't care if we're here, and we gotta go sometime. Seriously, If I offered your family a shelter built on the North Pole along with supplies at no cost. Would you move your family and friends there? I like this content for daydreaming, but in reality, we will more than likely blow ourselves up within a decade.
Yea, he really said "most of his friends are from here" :D
The Psyche visualizations are really gorgeous. Hats off to the artist.
I got to be part of the decadal survey, not as a lead scientist on the panel but as one who attends the meetings leading up to it and making recommendations to the panelists, through my work at a lab. I am an advocate of using a Starship, the whole ship, as a space based telescope. It can go out to the lagrange and perform its mission for five years, then fly back to earth and land for repairs and upgrades. It would be amazing to have a starship whose fairing unfolds like James Webb!
WOW, never heard about a concept like this, but it makes so much sense!
That's a great idea!
Beautiful concept...
I Love the idea!!!
I would propose using multiple starships and creating a multiple spectrum interferometer system...
... infrared, microwave, radio, ultraviolet, visible and gravitational ... 96 Starships in a variable formation with each of them being in a James Webb style...
...would be a incredible leap forward.
Eventually growing into a interlocking spherical array pointing outwards would be ideal... but the 129,600 telescopes needed for a telescopic universe monitoring system might be possible using smaller drone satellites that deploy from the starship in a manner similar to the Star Link satellites in support of telescope that you propose...
That would allow for a full monitoring system and a large robust high quality system to facilitate a collaborative cohesive system and allow wonderful observations and both professional astronomers and volunteers would be fully engaged...
The 96 Starships each carrying 1,400 drones would have a extra 50 drones per Starship facilitating replacements and side projects...
Such as...
Some spread out vast distances and primarily laser gravity focused with their other systems randomly gathering data... all laser locked together with each other and the drones creating a network of gravity sensitive systems.
With others using ladar systems looking into micrometeorites and developing a understanding of the environment.
This would create a true space observation system.
With a more robust scientific, space development and planetary security platform such as this...
We would rapidly develop knowledge and understanding as well as new technology, protocols, processes and procedures leading to advancing civilization and creating true progress.
it';s all very well saying we have an asteroid that is worth zillions but if we tow them back to earth the problem is still getting it on the ground - asteroids = extinction. we have to move into space to make space travel practical, it's already mind numbingly expensive to get off planet, if we live up there - we're already there.
@quitequiet5281 I actually did read the entire posting you wrote. If you'd turn your imagination slightly inward, you might find that there is still plenty to do here on Terra Prime, before we unleash ourselves on the galaxy.
The kind and thought provoking conversation which takes place in this show always makes me optimistic about the future of humans.
Until you realize that capitalism is antithetical to altruism as it rarely makes money.
Thought provoking?
What's the relative speed of the asteroid compared to Earth, and how much energy would it take to just get material from the asteroid to match the speed of Earth so it could be (in theory) just landed on Earth?
THAT would be thought provoking, because it's a Fermi Problem. They haven't even bothered to consider if energy requirements are within reason to recover ANYTHING from it. That's step #1.
This is just yet ANOTHER scam of BS and hookup. Remember the hyperloop? Remember the Boring company? Where did any of those go? Electric cars aren't even feasible, they use more energy to make than an ICE engine burns over its entire lifetime.
while I don't really believe in asteroids it's still an interesting conversation.
@@ecbrown6151 It's really impressive how you can extrapolate from my simple positive comment what is my opinion about capitalism and its intrinsic flows. I agree though.
@@mattheww797 What does it mean to "believe in asteroids"?
I always appreciate these guests like Jim Bell that are willing and able to dumb themselves down and explain these concepts in simple, "baby's first" terminology. There are a lot of experienced space nerds watching these videos, but there are always some ignorant laymen drifting in for the first time who have no idea what spectra or K type stars or the Dark Forest Hypothesis are. Offering some simple, basic explanation of the topic before diving into details helps ease new people in, making the video, channel, and subject more accessible. It's just a smart way to go.
none of this is difficult or technical, if you think it is, then you are really only scratching at the surface...
@@ashleyobrien4937ok mrs Einstein. How is spectra or k type not technical? I’m sure tons of people casually interested in space have never heard these terms.
I like space stuff
JMG is such a good interviewer for these topics. Kudos
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I am imminently impressed by your mention of Connections w/ James Burke. I loved that show. you, sir, have good taste in television.
I’ll be voting for this asteroid next year. 🇺🇸
Can chile get some of it
Our first contact - Finding slag metal. Take us to your scrap dealer.
I feel like every time someone talks about 16Psyche (my favorite space "rock") they add another 0 to it's potential monetary value. Billions, Trillions, now Quintillions. :)
Where I think the greatest value Psyche might have is leaving us a hollowed out body with robust nickle-iron sheild between the inside and the outside; a bullet-proof armored shell that could serve as an extremely safe rotating asteroid habitat.
Mining it with AI managed machines starting at one end and working inward to create a shell, a portion of the profits from the mining could go toward eventually building it into a new home.
heres a thought,,, what if we send a probe there and discover it is exactly that already?
@@andyf4292look-in SETI ftw
My personal favorite daydream use for Psyche is as a slow boat colony ship. In another 500-700 years, presuming we as a species 'make it,' we could have the technology and off-Earth industrial cqpacity to 'hollow' it out for materials to build facilities to house and feed and move a few hundred thousand people on a multi-century trip to the Centauri system (or best choice at the time).
@@defective6811 - A problem with slow boating is the infamous "wait calculation". At what point in your journey will ingenuity and technology development at the point of origin surpass the developmental facility of the bottled ecosystem travelling slow, and will that result in a 10,000 year journey resulting in arrival at a destination that's already been colonized for 9,900 years?
On the other-hand, a bomb-shelter, armored habitat with 20 miles of thick nickel-iron protection from all the nasty radiation and other dangers of space protecting everything inside, that kind of vehicle could be very advantageous for the exploration of places that are not very friendly to biology, that might be resource rich, but are crap for habitation. A travelling bunker like that could be potentially useful.
A bonus to the high nickel-iron content is if sufficient copper is employed at the axis of rotation, the entire megastructure becomes a primitive generator, and as a by-product of being a generator, it would also create its own magnetosphere giving even more additional protection from icky sicky space radiation. Copper rotating around iron, or iron rotating around copper kinda do that.
Psyche could also house a residency of MILLIONS of people, while still maintaining substantial forest, mountain, river system, lake, and other "wild" ecosystem habitats in addition to nested layers solely for agriculture. Psyche is natively large enough that the inside inhabitants could have Earth-similar atmospheric thickness, pressure and concentration all the way to the central axis of rotation that could remain in vacuum. Psyche is large enough that passenger jets could fly around inside it (if hollowed out), yet, engineering could facilitate cheap "easy" access to zero G at central axis of rotation with a couple/few hundred km elevator ride.
All in all, converting Psyche, or any space rock, even consolidating raw material and building from scratch is a far better investment than flushing valuable resources down expensive gravity wells for wasteful inefficient "terraform" projects on big dumb immovable planets.
100 years could give us a ready to go, fully mature living sustainable ecosystem planted and managed after 50-ish years of mining, building, and "terraforming" the inside of any project asteroid or rotating habitat structure all done by AI managed robot swarms.
... but, yeah, I've thought about this quite a bit. :P
Psyche is 15,000 times the volume of the dinosaur killer asteroid so doing anything with it will take a while.
From: Myron Ralph - To the writer; “This is my asteroid, I have the receipt, and I will defend it”! LOL 😂
A wide ranging, informative, engaging and relatable conversation.
This was great! The last 10 to 15 minutes talk was beautiful. Yall were talking and I realized i had a smile on my face❤
Cant wait for the science on Psyche❤
Yep.
I think mining Psyche is entirely feasible. Moving stuff around the solar system, particularly ferrous metals, should be a snap with linear accelerators, so getting the stuff here is do-able. When we talk about mining, it isn't going to be an astronaut with a pick axe. It will be robots. Technologically, we're not that far from being able to do these things, so within a few decades, I see it as a decent possibility.
Maybe getting a few samples from it, sure.
The problem is not getting ore or metal to Earth orbit, eventually technology will surely conquer that problem. The problem is de-orbiting the material without extremely serious environmental and/or economic consequences. Mining metals here for metals needed here will be cheaper and more environmentally sound than bringing the resources here from the asteroid belt for a very long time, as will recycling these metals, barring unexpected and unlikely breakthrough tech. An interesting thing about metals is that they are indefinitely and eternally recyclable, the quality of the metal does not degrade with time as happens to other materials such as paper fiber and plastics.
Mining in space may be an entirely practical way to obtain resources needed in space, however.
Have you watched Expanse?
@@variator7466 Yes, I have. This is the real world however.
@@gregkelly2145 Awesome show
Jim Bell is one of the clearest voices to the lay-ear, exhibiting both wonder and humility.
I hear an open mind with very little of the damaging biases other scientists seem so full of.
This is an excellent clear discussion and science communication.
This is a great talk... Also, If you are a Stargate fan, small ascension life hack... go back to the beginning, listen closely. Dr. Bell does an excellent Ben Browder...It's near par all the way.
Farscape ftw! *rides away on motorcycle*
JMG… massive legend.
Good guest - interesting with the proper voice and temper for sleeping. Invite him more.
Great episode! I plan on getting his books. Thanks for the video!
He has books?
@@johnomalley3795 Yes.
Great video and information !
Psyche is going to possibly the site of a huge smelting, foundry and manufacturing base I feel in a 100 years time.
Iron is cheap as chips here. It wouldn't be commercially viable to get it from space.
@@stevemumbling7720 yes, but getting iron from here to space is incredibly expensive. I'm talking about insitu resource utilisation, not shipping it back to earth.
Sure more expensive elements can be shipped back, but it would mainly be best utilised for building craft for the whole system.
The iron, and other elements extracted there, would not be sent here. Rather be used for on-site manufacturing. Getting that kind of mass out of Earths gravity well and out to the asteroid belt is extraordinarily expensive.
@@ReinReads But you certainly would want to export the nukes assembled on Psyche to Earth. They pay so much for them!
Absolutely unrealistic timeline. We may be mining metal from old impact craters on the Moon by then, such as the (indicated but not yet fully proven) massive metal asteroid under Aitken Basin which is 5x the size of the big island of Hawaii.
We won't be doing anything on or with Psyche for many centuries, on such a long enough timescale that by then the metals themselves may no longer be the most valuable aspect of 16Psyche.
Love your videos.
Can't wait to see pics of it from up close
Not just an asteroid but an armour piercing asteroid!
Yes. Uranium. And not depleted at all.
@@u.v.s.5583 one day someone will try to deflect it towards Earth in order to exploit the metals and end up shooting it right though us. Imagine what a solid metal chunk like that would do? Extinction Level? More like ‘the whole plant blew up’ level!
@@geordiedog1749 that concept sounds like something out of Starship Troopers 2!
“Return of the Bugs” 🐜 😄
@@kamakaziozzie3038 Oh yeah. The bugs were throwing asteroids at the earth!
The video was brilliant. I picked up the music stellardrone the album A Moment of Stillness is quite relaxing and shared it. Thank you 😊
It's a very cool looking space rock. It looks so intimidating, like it has a overt monolithic presence. I want to see it closer
It not just any rock. It is Metal.
@@JanoTuotanto Thanks for letting me know!
Love these topics. Would love to see a mission to Polyhymnia as well.
Same as below, I’ve already took a crap, and left it on your asteroid. The one you have a receipt for. Defend THAT! 😂
We need to spend more on christmas tree spacecrafts. :)
The universe- what a concept
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If the mining, processing and even manufacture of finished products in space can be accomplished with automation / remote human interaction, I think we could see a real leap in space exploration.
"Earth is my favorite planet, I've lived here most of my life. Most of my friends are from here."
Most.. So not all?
Happy to see JMG chatting with aliens already.
I think humans will be astounded with what we see when we get to16 Psyche. I think we will be shocked and pleasantly surprised with what we find and see.
Right! It is metal, but not solid metal. It is an alien probe left here long ago
Namibia my home country. Represent
easy to move ,bunker buster to mars pocket and magnetic shield for mars.
James Burke in "CONNECTIONS" was the shiznit! I understood all of that ln elementary school. ADHD symptoms very probably
Well yaaaaay let's balance the budget with this bad boy
I expect signs of an electrically striated and electrically excavated craters with smaller craters on the rims.
Some of tge craters will be hexagonal or nearly square, like Meteor Crater in Arizona ( where the iron pieces are derived from the electric current removing the oxygen from sands containing rust.
I've had a piece since I was 14, straight from the gift shop.
Then, it cost $1 to $2. That's $50 in silver today.
John you are my Carl Sagan...yea i know , to much right? But that is how i feel. You broaden my horizons.
The heart of a giant.
Oye beltalowda! Let's mine asteroids
Nice art work someone will see that and think that's an actual photo of an astroid flying through space and claim they seen it first.
TO ME ! IT LOOKS LIKE A COMBINATION OF METALS , IRONS
RIGHT THROUGH TO YOUR HARDENED STEELS ECT AND
PRECIOUS JEMS ! SUCH AS
DIAMOND'S 💎
KIND REGARDS
FROM AUSTRALIA 🇦🇺 ❤
Mining asteroids is probably not a question of if but when. Assuming civilization continues to grow and advance it seems inevitable that will happen by necessity. I think the big question then is how long until we use those resources up.
it is also a question of what. People who talk about metals in the context of asteroid mining are either trying to con someone or just did not understand, What asteroid mining is good for.
If this asteroid were to be mined, gold would be devalued, as it would be so plentiful
6 years to get there... those bigger cheaper rockets need to get us places quicker!
JMG sounds like he might be a smoker a bit from his laugh. I wonder if I'm full of it or if he's a smoker! 😅
What if an massive asteroid of gold/diamond broke up in orbit, but instead of impact, it practically crumbled on contact with the atmosphere, showering its contents across the continents of the world. Both resources would sink in value, becoming more common, would it kick off a compete collapse of the world economy?
Though I fancy the conceptual idea of exploring other stars, I don't ignore, nor fail to be excited for, the potential that is right here in our own solar system. I do hope I can live to at least see the start of it. Science is great and all for pushing back the boundaries of ignorance, but when a new breed of pioneers start pushing...
This mass estimate is very uncertain, and can't be taken seriously without more corroboration.
The large uncertainty is at odds with Dr. Bell's statement, at 3:35, how the mass is estimated: The distortion of Psyche's trajectory on fly by is a function of Psyche's mass. I'm shocked. Have a look at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7375145/ for both the uncertainty and the methods.
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Ah yes Connections. The first episode "Trigger Effect" has way too many 911 references for a program taped in 1976. It's on CZcams.
It could be a planetary core fragment?
What happened to the planet?
@@PetraKann The gravitational influence of Jupiter kept it from ever forming.
@@olencone4005
There seemed to be gravitational influence by Jupiter, a type of shepherding.
Are you aware of the Grand Track theory?
At the end of the commentary, I heard Gene Roddenberrys' name called. Was a great fan back when I was a younger. I think it's time for a re read.
You need to explain how density can be shown using how much an items orbit is changed. In orbital mechanics, everything is affected the same (my understanding, heck, I could be wrong). A ping pong ball in orbit, has the same orbit as a canon ball. The Space station would be a spiraling nightmare if this weren't the case. Heavier items would be orbiting at different speeds, than the lighter items.
Our first exposure to Iron is the compound ocher. And it wasn't us either, but previous species, several. Meteoric metal that is usable had nickel which is an alloy. Not iron. I can't even think of any pure examples. Part of being able to identify it is because it isn't iron, like the Pharaoh's blade and the arrow heads. The nickel kept them from rusting away.
How cool would it be if was a huge chunk of Pallasite!
That's no asteroid...it's a space station.
It seems like an astroid
lol
@@timedeathe I've...got a bad feeling about this.
The force is strong with you young Bayes 😊
It's not a space station... YET.
Dr Bell sounds like the actor who played Skinner in the X-Files 😃
What is the music playing at the end, i really enjoyed listening to it
Some of the asteroids appear to be planet or planatoid cores. Might some of them have high fractions of heavies like Thorium and Uranium? If so, then the fuel for some interesting reactors would be out of the gravity well. Fusion might be preferable to fision, but play the ball from where it lays.
I predict that in 100 years we will having flying cars and a 40-hour work week!
The video I watched before this one was James Burke Connections, cue spooky weirdo music ....
seems like it might be feasable to find smaller that are easier to capture and mine in closer aproach
Nice call out to Gene Roddenberry! Now I’m going to search out “wanderers”
I don't think my bank will give me a loan for my own personal space program, regardless of the possible profit...
Try for a loan to start a mining company, then just work out a deal with one of the established space exploration ventures to use their rockets. Bam it's a no lose situation
"Jim received his BS in..." Classic. 😂
First step for any kind of long term exploration is gathering and being able to process asteroids for raw materials.
Water and metals. We can figure out other things, but without those it's not possible. Taking them from Earth would be a huge mistake.
water yes. but why would you wanna mine metal?
Metallic meteorites are acid etched or you don't see jack. Polishing is just one step.
Here's a theory, perhaps core from earth's collision with thea during the early formation
That mission deserved a rover. Frankly, every mission to a space body deserves an MMRTG-powered rover, they should have made cookie-cutter versions of Curiosity. The Psyche mission is less important for the asteroid, more for the fact it's the first mission to test laser optical communication, this could make transmitting data 10-100 times more efficient. Pictures will be cool and "Empire Strikes Back" but that optical system is long overdue.
Be serious, if we take that much precious metal in the price per kilo of it will go waaaay down. You can't have it ALL at full value, even if not counting fuel and mining costs...
I can't wait to see the results from the mission to Psyche. It's 3 times the distance from Earth to the Sun, so it will be years before the spacecraft arrives from Earth. But we will know what it really looks like instead of an artist's best guess and whether it really is worth $20 Quintillions. Just imagine what a boon it could be if we could change it's orbit of the Sun to one that orbits the Moon, making it economical for mining! It boggles the mind that such huge wealth could actually be made available to mankind at some far distant time in the future!
If you want valuable asteroids you need to look for the water content, not for the metal content.
@@MusikCassette You may have noted that I have corrected the quoted estimated value of Psyche ($20 Quintillions). That is not my number. It is the value placed by those far wiser than me. What makes an asteroid MOST valuable? Does that not depend upon the eye of the beholder?
Makes you wonder if there is going to be some way to deliver the asteroid safely to earth.
Couple pixels....makes it a couple points of light.
10:07 Wait a minute, I recognize that shape...
"Thats no moon..."
Just the iridium would make you ridiculously rich!
So if I myself flew like a superhero, retrieved this, and placed this in L1 or L2 would it belong to me or would the earth claim eminent domain? If I go get this thing it belongs to me.
Property rights in the universe are likely determined by whether or not you can defend your claim.
In that situation, it’s safe to say you could defend your claim.
In reality, it would be so hard to defend as to be a moot point, I think.
??? You say opposite things in the same sentence! It makes my head hurt. If the brain pain caused for all the readers of your comment was combined I think it could kill a herd of camels.@@RealBelisariusCawl
Can we calculate what escape velocity would be necessary to launch from the surface of an asteroid like this toward earth?
A corp like "Alcoa ALUMINUM" should already have orbital processing-plant plans in place by now I hope!
How would a metal object respond to long term exposure in space, would it become dangerously radio active or possibly magnetised and have a different gravitational pull compared to rock ?
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Metal's not animal... or vegetable. It's mineral! (Sorry. Weak joke, but I could not resist.)
Great interview!
What a paradoxical universe we live in any asteroid worth its salt that comes our way could both make us or break us if it got in our way?
Is this the new standard rock for an engagement ring? I'm confused...
That's where we should build the Death Star.
Hey. There is noticeable 'closet room echo' in introduction. Maybe there is a extra mic picking the environment?
How would any mining operation be cost effective unless we can park it in orbit around the earth or the moon? Could we be so stupid to cause our own extinction event?
Funny how it resembles the Death star!!!🤔🤔🤔🥶😱😳
Hey, we will always strive for and need a Battlestar Galactica! . . . ;-)
Unfortunately it doesn't matter if it's a 10 quintillion dollar asteroid if it costs $20 quintillion to mine it. That's the problem with mining asteroids I don't see that ever being economically feasible.
No closing banter with Anna?
Space travel is dangerous-is the key. This maybe the reason why there are no aliens, UFO's etc. Why space travel with AI is what we should expect.
I love how the interviewee's say "That's a great question," as if they expected the interviewer to be a complete moron; or, they've asked that question themselves.
Hi JMG, when an asteroid comes in to potentially hit earth 20 years from now, folks are talking about gravity assist etc.
My question:
We have launched multiple rockets from earth, does this alter the earth's orbit?
@ 13:26, Psyche could be a bootstrap resource for full-scale exploitation of the solar system.
Any data on makeup of Trojan asteroids? If sufficiently metallic, those could provide the material for building structures in high orbit and the lunar Lagrange points.
Of course, nobody's ever smelted ore in space 🤔 YET
Amazing conversation, but at some point I realized that this guest sounds a lot like Norm Macdonald, and now I can't un-hear it! It makes it sound to me like he's setting up for a classic long, dry, convoluted joke lol. I imagine that this is Norm if his life took a very different direction when he was young.